NC A&T v ECU

[Schism55]

On ESPN3 now....

[superman7515]

For those interested:
http://www.espn.com/watch/player?id=3431933

[Reign of Terrier]

This game is going to be the difference between 5 ranking spots on my ballot for A&T

[Bison56]

Huge miss on 3rd and long, he catches that and it's a big play.

[Schism55]

ECU lol!!

[Reign of Terrier]

pick 6...109 yards...wow

[wcugrad95]

WOW

[WileECoyote06]

let me add to it:

WOW!

[Reign of Terrier]

that defender (corner or safety, I didn't catch it) for A&T is good.

[Derby City Duke]

Aggies lead 7-3, 5 minutes remaining 1st quarter.

ECU kicked a field goal on its opening possession, then held A&T.

ECU then drove to the A&T 2 yard line, then did ECU things -- they decided to get cute and call a rollout pass. A&T picked off just inside the back line and returned it 108 yards for a touchdown.

ECU just went 3 and out.

[Reign of Terrier]

and A&T has forced a three and out.

A&T looks impressive

[Schism55]

Grey helmets and pants for A&T look sharp, well done Aggies

[Derby City Duke]

Sorry -- duplicate thread. I hadn't refreshed my screen and didn't see the other one.

[ASU33]

A&Ts offensive line needs work.

[IBleedYellow]

A&Ts offensive line needs work.D line too.



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[JSUSoutherner]

Not sure whether it's coach Blackwell doing Blackwell things but NC A&Ts offense sucks something fierce.

Hope they can get some plays going ASAP.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

ECU TD.

For a second I thought I was watching App State with the colors A & T have on. Nice look with the helmets.

[Big Dawg]

Not sure whether it's coach Blackwell doing Blackwell things but NC A&Ts offense sucks something fierce.

Hope they can get some plays going ASAP.

A&T does have a new OC this season...and it’s showing

[Twentysix]

I've watched 3 non concurrent minutes of this game and Ive seen AT get 3 penalties, 2 were unsportsmanlike. Yikes

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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

ECU scores again: 17-7

[Reign of Terrier]

This games over. A&T only has like 30 yards of offense and it's almost halftime

[R.A.]

This games over. A&T only has like 30 yards of offense and it's almost halftime

ECU only has 17, it's a 10 point game.

ECU should have more.

[BisonFan02]

Penalties everywhere for NC A&T......

[superman7515]

Great catch by Bell.

[superman7515]

Touchdown A&T

[Reign of Terrier]

I stand corrected

[Big Dawg]

A&T needed that before halftime

ECU 17
A&T 14
6 seconds left in the 1st half

[JSUSoutherner]

What a drive.

[R.A.]

17-14 ECU up at halftime.

Aggies get the ball first starting the second half...

A Kickoff Return for touchdown would be great for Aggie momentum.

[DEX]

We lost our offensive coordinator 5 weeks before practice began and four starters on the offensive line so I'm not totally shocked at how bad we look on offense. I am surprised at all the penalties and undisciplined play.

[superman7515]

Pirates drive inside the 5, A&T forces the fumble and recovers.

[JSUSoutherner]

HUGE stop by the Aggies! Now RUN. THE. DAMN. BALL.

[RabidRabbit]

A&T are very opportunistic. Not impressed with their number of penalties or their offensive play, but the defense has really come through in a pinch.


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[Twentysix]

NC AT has 24 penalties in 6 quarters. That's nuts.

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[JSUSoutherner]

IT HIT THE GROUND YOU STUPID MAN. THATS INCOMPLETE YOU MUPPET!

[JSUSoutherner]

NC A&Ts new QB is a BIG dude holy crap.

[superman7515]

Touchdown A&T

[JSUSoutherner]

What a catch!

[Reign of Terrier]

one handed TD catch. Wow. Aggies ties it with the XP coming up

[wcugrad95]

Helluva catch (and throw)

[caribbeanhen]

number 19 is a smooth looking WR, One handed catch for a Touchdown

[R.A.]

21-20 NC A&T Aggies

Top of the 4th Quarter.

[Reign of Terrier]

Am I wrong to think A&T's second QB is better than the first?

[JSUSoutherner]

Am I wrong to think A&T's second QB is better than the first?
No, he is and it's not even a debate right now.

[superman7515]

A&T down 23-21

49-yard catch by Wilson, driving inside the 30 with about 8 minutes left.

[superman7515]

Touchdown Aggies

[TheKingpin28]

Boom, money A&T

[Big Dawg]

This game has gotten very interesting...A&T’s defense needs to come up big on this next drive

[caribbeanhen]

just a shame this team will not be able to compete in the Playoffs, they would do some damage

[R.A.]

Aggies look like a top five FCS team right now, but can they hold the lead?

[Reign of Terrier]

A&T has heart and some good players. So far this season, they've shown some kinks, but I think they're being held to a higher standard of proof if you don't have them in your top 12 at this point. They may not be NDSU in December and it's true they may not have played well against Richmond a few seasons ago, but they've been competitive against 3 FBS squads and won a lot of football games.

[caribbeanhen]

Aggies look like a top five FCS team right now, but can they hold the lead?

was just thinking the same thing

[superman7515]

ECU quarterback gets drilled, redshirt freshmen is warming up.

And NC A&T forces the 3 and out.

[TheKingpin28]

Aggies look like a top five FCS team right now, but can they hold the lead?

Wouldn't go that far, but way higher than most, including myself, probably thought. I have them in that 6-14 range right now as JSU, as some of us knew beforehand, myself included, was a paper tiger.

[CockyGeek]

If you're going to have they many penalties, you have to be good. And they're good.

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[Reign of Terrier]

I think A&T has made the case for being a top 10 team. I don't think they're top five, but in my book they would have a seed if they were eligible (paradoxically, if they didn't win their conference they wouldn't have a seed but I digress)

[superman7515]

Wouldn't go that far, but way higher than most, including myself, probably thought. I have them in that 6-14 range right now as JSU, as some of us knew beforehand, myself included, was a paper tiger.

I don't know where I'll rank them, but I think it's a matter of who would you put in front of them?

IF they hold on for a win in this hypothetical situation, no one else has a Top 10 FCS win and an FBS win this season, which is what our polls are supposed to be based on. I can't imagine I'm going to find 13 teams with a better resume at this point.

[TheKingpin28]

Wouldn't go that far, but way higher than most, including myself, probably thought. I have them in that 6-14 range right now as JSU, as some of us knew beforehand, myself included, was a paper tiger.

And that is based off of them winning this game.

[Reign of Terrier]

IF they hold on to win this game, I'll rank them 7th.

If not, it'll be 13th. I'm not penalizing them for losing, but they will get rewarded for winning.

[TheKingpin28]

I don't know where I'll rank them, but I think it's a matter of who would you put in front of them?

IF they hold on for a win in this hypothetical situation, no one else has a Top 10 FCS win and an FBS win this season, which is what our polls are supposed to be based on. I can't imagine I'm going to find 13 teams with a better resume at this point.

I said 6-14 as I do not believe they are T5, but there are currently, 3 tiers for the FCS.

1-3 are a lock due to what I believe are givens.

4-5/6-10 are, IMO, the probable conference winners and those who played good competition and won/played extremely close and/or inferior competition and slaughtered but are not in the "elite" tier, yet. 4 and 5 are edge in that elite but one of them **** the bed and the other bitchslapped their opponent across the field. (That should tell you who I believe those teams are)

11-14 are the ones where I believe there is fluidity and I need to know more, but they have sure set themselves apart from the FCS at this way too early point to judge.

[superman7515]

A&T defense with a big stop there.

[Reign of Terrier]

Huge stand by A&T. They get the ball after forcing an ECU four and out inside their own 40

[Reign of Terrier]

Not to project my team on a team I'm watching, but A&T reminds me of Wofford in the sense that they're a team with a good defense an offense that's kind of sketchy, but an overall team with a lot of grit.

[TheKingpin28]

I don't know where I'll rank them, but I think it's a matter of who would you put in front of them?

IF they hold on for a win in this hypothetical situation, no one else has a Top 10 FCS win and an FBS win this season, which is what our polls are supposed to be based on. I can't imagine I'm going to find 13 teams with a better resume at this point.

I also base my votes off of my poll as well, not just the aggregate, but the aggregate has some weight with me.

I had JSU at 15 and NCAT at 20. I think if I flipped those teams, I would have been closer in where they sat as of yesterday. AGS shows love to "name brand" football teams and that can be troubling and lead to slot-voting, something that is just inexcusable and lazy, though the Pre-Season-Week 2 poll is the only time I let it slide a little as no one knows what they are really seeing until they get a few games under their belt.

[kdinva]

commentator again called A & T the 2017 nat. champion........

[FormerPokeCenter]

Maybe he means the HBCU National Champion?

[caribbeanhen]

Wouldn't go that far, but way higher than most, including myself, probably thought. I have them in that 6-14 range right now as JSU, as some of us knew beforehand, myself included, was a paper tiger.

much closer to 6, that is a good FCS team

[major095]

obvious hold not called

[kdinva]

almost a completed hail mary for ECU...........great win for A&T and FCS

[Big Dawg]

A&T wins...WOW

[major095]

nice for what! great win aggies! hope to be on campus saturday. bringing my son for a campus visit.

[TheKingpin28]

much closer to 6, that is a good FCS team

No. I can name a for sure 10 teams I would take over NCAT and I'd be able to defend it without even trying. Only 2 teams would someone say "well they didn't play" but just cause they did not play does not mean they deserve to fall. Just cause the bye gave one team a run for their money and the other team had weather issues, does not mean they should immediately drop. Are they fringe T10 to me, YES, are they in that T10 to me, no. Sure some might say they are but I am not buying what is being sold to me.

And with that win, they moved right to that fringe. Sure, I am just one man, but that is where they are as of right now. They are a solid football team that overcomes dumb penalties, that is for sure.

[Drblankstare]

Great win for A&T but what a **** show 2 minute offense ECU has

[WileECoyote06]

I don't know where I'll rank them, but I think it's a matter of who would you put in front of them?

IF they hold on for a win in this hypothetical situation, no one else has a Top 10 FCS win and an FBS win this season, which is what our polls are supposed to be based on. I can't imagine I'm going to find 13 teams with a better resume at this point.

The extension of this logic, especially for those who criticize slot voting, means they should be the #1 team in the country.

xthumbsupxxsmiley_wix

[caribbeanhen]

whoa that was close to being 6, great game Aggies

[kdinva]

note for ECU fans: next year they have Gardner webb for their 1AA cupcake......they might win that one.....

[FormerPokeCenter]

A&T is clearly a candidate for the top five. If you're voting purely on what they've done this year, they make a stong case for top three.

[WestCoastAggie]

I want the GD Bison! Let’s make this happen!

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To all the haters, all wins are good wins, chumps!

[BisonFan02]

I want the GD Bison! Let’s make this happen!

No you don't. xlolx

[JSUSoutherner]

I want the GD Bison! Let’s make this happen!

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To all the haters, all wins are good wins, chumps!
You'd get your **** rocked.

[WestCoastAggie]

No you don't. xlolx

Bring y’all butts down south next August.

[FormerPokeCenter]

You'd get your **** rocked.

There's only one way to find out for sure!

[BisonFan02]

Bring y’all butts down south next August.

Not happening. You come up here for an OOC game. We'll pay you.

[BisonFan02]

There's only one way to find out for sure!

Playoffs?

[WestCoastAggie]

A&T is clearly a candidate for the top five. If you're voting purely on what they've done this year, they make a stong case for top three.

Don’t tell NDSU this.

[R.A.]

AGGIES WIN

28-23, Final.

[WestCoastAggie]

Not happening. You come up here for an OOC game. We'll pay you.

You got $500,000?

[FormerPokeCenter]

Don’t tell NDSU this.

To be fair, though, I'd have you #3...behind NDSU and James Madison...

[BisonFan02]

Don’t tell NDSU this.

Other than talking points and what not, it means absolutely ****ing nothing. You guys are not candidates for seeds in the postseason (assuming you guys roll through the MEAC schedule), and the rest of the convos is unknowns and woulda/coulda/shoulda. We'll never know how you guys stack up against teams like NDSU, JMU, etc....and thats honestly too bad. The only thing I have to go by is recent history in the postseason by similar MEAC champs....including yourselves against Richmond awhile back now.

[Reign of Terrier]

No. I can name a for sure 10 teams I would take over NCAT and I'd be able to defend it without even trying. Only 2 teams would someone say "well they didn't play" but just cause they did not play does not mean they deserve to fall. Just cause the bye gave one team a run for their money and the other team had weather issues, does not mean they should immediately drop. Are they fringe T10 to me, YES, are they in that T10 to me, no. Sure some might say they are but I am not buying what is being sold to me.

And with that win, they moved right to that fringe. Sure, I am just one man, but that is where they are as of right now. They are a solid football team that overcomes dumb penalties, that is for sure.

The problem with this is that your reasoning is unfalsifiable and thus just as subjective as anyone else's. You can't hope for rankings to be perfect because there's always less information at the FCS level than the FBS. There's not enough inter-conference play,lots of conferences with bad playoff records and lots of filler FBS/D2 games for lots of teams. For way of comparison, if you're in the FBS, you have 12 games, 8 conferences games, 3 FBS games, and 1 FCS games (on average). In FCS you have 11 games, 8 conference, 1 FBS, and 2 FCS games of varying quality.

Some people like to bash slot voting because it serves the interest of their conference and they like to virtue signal how much they watch FCS.

Meanwhile, I like to think rankings are earned on the field. Right now, A&T has earned a top 10 spot. You can say they're a MEAC team with a weak schedule, just like prior MEAC paper tigers. That's fair. but they've also beaten 3 FBS teams in the last 3 years and no MEAC team has done that (and few FCS teams have accomplished that).

There may well be 10 teams at the end of the year with a better record/resume than A&T. I don't doubt it. But at this, moment, they've earned it. We're not picking playoff spots at the moment and I think it reflects the information we have available to us to rank them in the top 10.

(and I have to reiterate: I don't think A&T would fare well against the top 8 of the FCS)

[BisonFan02]

You got $500,000?

We can spend a shade less and get one of your peers as a patsy. I think the going rate was 250-300k now.

[lionsrking2]

A&T is clearly a candidate for the top five. If you're voting purely on what they've done this year, they make a stong case for top three.

I agree. Easily the most impressive early season start so far, IMO.

[McNeese75]

Congrats!!!

[WestCoastAggie]

All NDSU trolling aside, God is an AMAZING God. What a time to be an Aggie! S/O UC Davis for their scalp!

[TheKingpin28]

I want the GD Bison! Let’s make this happen!

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[Panther88]

Congrats on the W, A&T.

[R.A.]

Wouldn't go that far, but way higher than most, including myself, probably thought. I have them in that 6-14 range right now as JSU, as some of us knew beforehand, myself included, was a paper tiger.

So which of the other Top Five teams have knocked off a Top Ten FCS and an FBS to start the season?

A&T's a Top Five.

[TheRevSFA]

Way to go aggies!

[R.A.]

We can spend a shade less and get one of your peers as a patsy. I think the going rate was 250-300k now.

Have you all called The Howard Bison yet??

We don't shy away from challenges.

[Bison56]

Nice win NC A&T.

[JSUSoutherner]

So which of the other Top Five teams have knocked off a Top Ten FCS and an FBS to start the season?

A&T's a Top Five.
NC A&T didn't knock off a top 10 FCS.

[R.A.]

I don't know where I'll rank them, but I think it's a matter of who would you put in front of them?

IF they hold on for a win in this hypothetical situation, no one else has a Top 10 FCS win and an FBS win this season, which is what our polls are supposed to be based on. I can't imagine I'm going to find 13 teams with a better resume at this point.

xsmileyclapx Exactly

[BisonFan02]

Have you all called The Howard Bison yet??

We don't shy away from challenges.

No idea honestly. I can't imagine too many stones have been left "unturned" trying to get home games.

[R.A.]

NC A&T didn't knock off a top 10 FCS.

Called them whatever you want, but Jacksonville State was ranked #6 at the time of their loss to A&T.

[JSUSoutherner]

Called them whatever you want, but Jacksonville State was ranked #6 at the time of their loss to A&T.
Chattanooga was ranked 12 when we beat them last year in the Kickoff and you saw how that ended.

[Panther88]

Have you all called The Howard Bison yet??

We don't shy away from challenges.

Get in line. We are on our Revenge Tour starting fall 2019.

They can call our AD @ 936-261-9100. PVAMU never backs down from a challenge.

[TheKingpin28]

So which of the other Top Five teams have knocked off a Top Ten FCS and an FBS to start the season?

A&T's a Top Five.Calling JSU a T10 team is laughable. I had them at 15 and I thought I was being generous with that one.

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[TheKingpin28]

Chattanooga was ranked 12 when we beat them last year in the Kickoff and you saw how that ended.I've tried but they don't listen.

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[TheKingpin28]

Get in line. We are on our Revenge Tour starting fall 2019.

They can call our AD @ 936-261-9100. PVAMU never backs down from a challenge.I had you guys on my fringe T25 and I truly believe PVAM has finally turned the corner from where they were when the played NDSU. That new stadium helps a lot with recruitment and fan excitement.

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[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Remember, JMU beat the brakes off of ECU last year, and this ECU team is probably worse because of what they lost last year.

Now that Tyson Summers has been fired from Georgia Southern Scotty Montgomery is probably the worst coach in DI. Nice job, but I don't think this makes them a top 5.

[BisonFan02]

Remember, JMU beat the brakes off of ECU last year, and this ECU team is probably worse because of what they lost last year.

Now that Tyson Summers has been fired from Georgia Southern Scotty Montgomery is probably the worst coach in DI. Nice job, but I don't think this makes them a top 5.

Shhhhhhh......just let them have this. xlolx

[JacksFan40]

Remember, JMU beat the brakes off of ECU last year, and this ECU team is probably worse because of what they lost last year.

Now that Tyson Summers has been fired from Georgia Southern Scotty Montgomery is probably the worst coach in DI. Nice job, but I don't think this makes them a top 5.
I was going to mention that JMU beat the piss out of ECU last year, it wasn’t even close and A&T thinks they’re great for squeezing by them.
I’d like to see how A&T stacks up with SDSU before NDSU.

[jsualumnus]

Makes the JSU loss not look so bad aside from the damn penalties.

[DeltaDevil662]

One more time for the doubters

https://twitter.com/LadyAggieBall/status/1034823836213170176

[Schism55]

One more time for the doubters

https://twitter.com/LadyAggieBall/status/1034823836213170176
Freaking lol..if you believe that I have some bridges for sale xeyebrowx
Is ECU a top 60 FCS team? I kinda doubt it...

[JSUSoutherner]

One more time for the doubters

https://twitter.com/LadyAggieBall/status/1034823836213170176

I thought you guys were going to be "alright" this year? What happened in ND?

[BisonFan02]

I thought you guys were going to be "alright" this year? What happened in ND?

They lost to the hockey school. The locals up there are restless though since they didn't boat race them like NDSU did.

[McNeese72]

Very nice win today!!!

[TheKingpin28]

So I went back through my poll and figured some things out and I'll admit I was wrong, I got them in T10 but I still don't believe they are a T10 team and believe that other teams could argue based off of how they did, ala Maine, as their argument is based off of how UNH plays when it comes to early season VS late season and using the MEAC argument, they are #7 and drubbed the hell out of them. It's just that I really believe after 8/9 teams, it drops off fast and just cause they are #10, does not really mean they are #10.

[Scooter]

Very good win. Congrats.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

So I went back through my poll and figured some things out and I'll admit I was wrong, I got them in T10 but I still don't believe they are a T10 team and believe that other teams could argue based off of how they did, ala Maine, as their argument is based off of how UNH plays when it comes to early season VS late season and using the MEAC argument, they are #7 and drubbed the hell out of them. It's just that I really believe after 8/9 teams, it drops off fast and just cause they are #10, does not really mean they are #10.


A & T is #8 in mine.

[bisonnation]

NC A&T is worthy of a top 5 ranking right now. It's sad though because by the end of the season, the entire body of work will be incomplete and no playoffs.

I probably sound like a snob and I dont mean to but a close win over a mediocre FBS team early in the year when your healthy doesnt mean much. It happens all the time and JMU rolled these guys last year by 3 TDs and it wasnt suprising. It was expected. Even South Dakota almost beat K State last night.

But like I said earlier, NC A&T is worthy of a top 5 ranking but I think the gap is pretty huge after NDSU and JMU

[WestCoastAggie]

A&T should be #3 behind NDSU and JMU. The body of work from this year should stand on its own. ECU will win FBS games and JSU should win their conference.

[TheKingpin28]

A & T is #8 in mine.

I had thought I counted 10, but I counted 9 that could easily beat them without even trying and hell, if UNI could put together 4 full Qs and Hauck turned around Montana, well there are 2 more teams that could knock them off their feet.

Anyone who puts them in the T5 has some serious explaining to do as even that is too much of a stretch.

[Reign of Terrier]

I have A&T ranked 7. If they win the rest of their games, they won't dip lower than 10th. Whether or not they stay at that level or climb further has more to do with how well they play relative to others in the top 10. They are less likely to climb because their schedule isn't as tough.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

A&T should be #3 behind NDSU and JMU. The body of work from this year should stand on its own. ECU will win FBS games and JSU should win their conference.


I have no problem is someone has them in the top 5. Their body of work so far is the most impressive so far this season. #8 in my poll, which is deserved IMO.

[Reign of Terrier]

I tend to favor ranking A&T high, but some of y'all need to chill. It's very hard to climb the ranking, and usually if you reach the top 5 you're either a perrenial power or a team with recent playoff success or both. If you go look through the top 15 (or so), that's pretty much everyone.

It's really hard to be a top 5 team.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I tend to favor ranking A&T high, but some of y'all need to chill. It's very hard to climb the ranking, and usually if you reach the top 5 you're either a perrenial power or a team with recent playoff success or both. If you go look through the top 15 (or so), that's pretty much everyone.

It's really hard to be a top 5 team.



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[WestCoastAggie]

I tend to favor ranking A&T high, but some of y'all need to chill. It's very hard to climb the ranking, and usually if you reach the top 5 you're either a perrenial power or a team with recent playoff success or both. If you go look through the top 15 (or so), that's pretty much everyone.

It's really hard to be a top 5 team.

When we switched QB's in the second half, our team should've passed the eye-test of voters at that point. The team settled down and dominated the Pirates in the final 1.5 quarters of the game.

[semobison]

A&T should be #3 behind NDSU and JMU. The body of work from this year should stand on its own. ECU will win FBS games and JSU should win their conference.

Half the Valley and the CAA could possibly win the OVC. JSU's last playoff win was 3 years ago. That being said, I do like A&T's defense. Im not sure how good they are. My guess is somewhere between 5 and 15. It's a shame they don't prove themselves when it counts. Playoff time!

[Laker]

Will A&T now think about moving to another conference?

[WestCoastAggie]

Will A&T now think about moving to another conference?

Who's gonna invite us?

[Mike296]

Who's gonna invite us?

OVC?


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[number1]

The lengths some will go to not give a team credit for wins over a Top 10 FCS school and an FBS opponent. lol

[Daytripper]

Will A&T now think about moving to another conference?

The Southland wants A&T and PVAMU.... There. I said it.

[WeAreThePride]

The lengths some will go to not give a team credit for wins over a Top 10 FCS school and an FBS opponent. lol
Win a few playoff games. You’ll get piles of credit.

[number1]

Win a few playoff games. You’ll get piles of credit.
They beat a team that has been a playoff contender for a few seasons in what was basically a road game.

[DEX]

Will A&T now think about moving to another conference?

AD is already exploring the possibility. Has been non commital about remaining in MEAC.

[WestCoastAggie]

OVC?


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Maybe that'll happen if Murray State ever fulfills their dream of a MVC invite.

[WestCoastAggie]

https://twitter.com/HBCUGameday/status/1036431736463413248

[bisonnation]

A&T should be #3 behind NDSU and JMU. The body of work from this year should stand on its own. ECU will win FBS games and JSU should win their conference.

Possibly but the difference between JMU/NDSU and #3 is a huge gap. I remember in 2016, we beat #8:Eastern Washington, #5 Charleston Southern, and the #11 Iowa Hawkeyes and we still lost to JMU

[WestCoastAggie]

Possibly but the difference between JMU/NDSU and #3 is a huge gap. I remember in 2016, we beat top 10 Eastern Washington, Charleston Southern, and the #11 Iowa Hawkeyes and we still lost to JMU

That's acceptable...

[katss07]

A&T is no higher than 8. I’d love to see them play Kennesaw.

[Gil Dobie]

Other than talking points and what not, it means absolutely ****ing nothing. You guys are not candidates for seeds in the postseason (assuming you guys roll through the MEAC schedule), and the rest of the convos is unknowns and woulda/coulda/shoulda. We'll never know how you guys stack up against teams like NDSU, JMU, etc....and thats honestly too bad. The only thing I have to go by is recent history in the postseason by similar MEAC champs....including yourselves against Richmond awhile back now.

They are not similar.

[Derby City Duke]

Good win by A&T; managed to win despite getting outgained again and committing an astounding # of penalties.

[dewey]

Congratulations to the Aggies! Heck of a start to the season.

Dewey

[number1]

Win a few playoff games. You’ll get piles of credit.
They beat a team that has been a playoff contender for a few seasons in what was basically a road game.

[knit35]

Congrats to A&T

[Cocky]

Good win by A&T; managed to win despite getting outgained again and committing an astounding # of penalties.

Being the more disciplined team goes a long ways. (See JSU for how to be undisciplined) As we all know the scoreboard is the only true measuring stick.

[TheKingpin28]

They beat a team that has been a playoff contender for a few seasons in what was basically a road game.It was also a road game for JSU and we keep trying to tell you and the others they were a paper tiger and the only reason why people voted them high was due to their name. Did you see the roster turnover they had as Well? I've said it before but I was being generous when I had them at 15.

Think of last year's game against Chattanooga. They were ranked fairly well and well, how did that season end for them? Exactly...

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[caribbeanhen]

A&T is no higher than 8. I’d love to see them play Kennesaw.

The Kennesaw that lost to your Sam Houston and now Georgia State.... North Carolina A&T would be favored........ good game though

[caribbeanhen]

It was also a road game for JSU and we keep trying to tell you and the others they were a paper tiger and the only reason why people voted them high was due to their name. Did you see the roster turnover they had as Well? I've said it before but I was being generous when I had them at 15.

Think of last year's game against Chattanooga. They were ranked fairly well and well, how did that season end for them? Exactly...

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if you could swallow your Bias you would be unstoppable....

[TheKingpin28]

if you could swallow your Bias you would be unstoppable....The thing is I already admitted i miss counted and had them in my T10 due to inability to do simple math.

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[JSUSoutherner]

It was also a road game for JSU and we keep trying to tell you and the others they were a paper tiger and the only reason why people voted them high was due to their name. Did you see the roster turnover they had as Well? I've said it before but I was being generous when I had them at 15.

Think of last year's game against Chattanooga. They were ranked fairly well and well, how did that season end for them? Exactly...

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Our roster is zero % of the reason we lost.

[TheKingpin28]

Our roster is zero % of the reason we lost.Did your roster commit multiple dumb penalties that were inexcusable?
Did you have 2 QBs which means no QBs?
Did your roster miss players who were crucial to last year's 2nd round exit?

I could go on and on but hopefully you are not that dense to get the point.


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[POD Knows]

Our roster is zero % of the reason we lost.
Your roster committed the penalties and some of the other stupid stuff that happened but the character of a
team comes from its leadership and there seems to be a void there at JSU. So, yea, I agree with your statement.

[JSUSoutherner]

Did your roster commit multiple dumb penalties that were inexcusable?
Did you have 2 QBs which means no QBs?
Did your roster miss players who were crucial to last year's 2nd round exit?

I could go on and on but hopefully you are not that dense to get the point.


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Every team has a roster. Roster Turnover is not why we had a boatload of penalties. Most, of the penalties were committed by players that have been here.

Penalties is a coaching issue.

[JacksFan40]

I’d like to see how A&T would play against better FBS competition, NC State, UNC, South Carolina etc. Not teams like ECU, Charlotte, Kent State etc.

[Cocky]

It was also a road game for JSU and we keep trying to tell you and the others they were a paper tiger and the only reason why people voted them high was due to their name. Did you see the roster turnover they had as Well? I've said it before but I was being generous when I had them at 15.

Think of last year's game against Chattanooga. They were ranked fairly well and well, how did that season end for them? Exactly...

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JSU has 14 returning starters to NDSUs 13? Our issue isnt the amount of returning players. Our QB, would have been a senior, decided to go into the real world but the talent level didnt go down. Our defense looked fine and we lost several good players on the D side. We replaced some OL and RBs who couldnt get gain short yard when needed with some more just like them.

JSU had three guys off last years team land on NFL 53 team rosters, lost in the first playoff game, which make you wonder if we may have issues other than talent.

[AmsterBison]

The Aggie defense looks really great to me and I'm not seeing many teams with a better resume so, sure, why not top 5?

That said, it seems like a waste to vote for a team that doesn't participate in the playoffs. The playoffs are where reputations are forged and champions crowned.

At the end of the year, I don't want to turn on the selection show and hear about how "maybe the best team in the FCS isn't in the playoff" after NDSU would have killed to get in the playoffs the four years we spent in playoff exile.

[TheKingpin28]

JSU has 14 returning starters to NDSUs 13? Our issue isnt the amount of returning players. Our QB, would have been a senior, decided to go into the real world but the talent level didnt go down. Our defense looked fine and we lost several good players on the D side. We replaced some OL and RBs who couldnt get gain short yard when needed with some more just like them.

JSU had three guys off last years team land on NFL 53 team rosters, lost in the first playoff game, which make you wonder if we may have issues other than talent.So you lost your starting QB and you think either of these guys are an upgrade? Sure Grass laughing about those penalties had me flabbergasted but you just don't replace a starting QB overnight.

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[Nor Eastern]

Congrats NCA&T!

Hope y'all win another Celebration Bowl! Make it 3-0

[JROCK]

Props to NC A&T....Great Win!!! (Way to make the naysayers attempt to move the goal line....LOL)

[Nor Eastern]

Props to NC A&T....Great Win!!! (Way to make the naysayers attempt to move the goal line....LOL)


Yeh, what I've gathered from this thread is only certain team's FBS wins actually count. Beat a horrible B10 team, you're a world beater. Beat a horrible AAC team and you're still bad.

[Cocky]

So you lost your starting QB and you think either of these guys are an upgrade? Sure Grass laughing about those penalties had me flabbergasted but you just don't replace a starting QB overnight.

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Our QB last year wasnt the most talented. Not a terrible player by any means but yes these two will be an upgrade.
The operations of the entire organization is not trending well since Clark left. Clark is a lot like your previous coach, wonder why some better known school hasnt hire them.

[DEX]

Props to NC A&T....Great Win!!! (Way to make the naysayers attempt to move the goal line....LOL)

Thanks for the support!

[TheKingpin28]

Our QB last year wasnt the most talented. Not a terrible player by any means but yes these two will be an upgrade.
The operations of the entire organization is not trending well since Clark left. Clark is a lot like your previous coach, wonder why some better known school hasnt hire them.I wouldn't say Klieman was a downgrade at all. He is a more lateral shift then anything. I have to wonder how bad that drubbing in Frisco left an aftershock on the program. That is actually a serious question.

I wasn't saying your QB was all world but when you lose a guy expected to start this year and have to find a quick replacement, well it just does not usually work out.

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[Gil Dobie]

Props to NC A&T....Great Win!!! (Way to make the naysayers attempt to move the goal line....LOL)

Yeah, I've noticed people starting to realize that they are a lot better than the naysayers thought.

[JSUSoutherner]

So you lost your starting QB and you think either of these guys are an upgrade? Sure Grass laughing about those penalties had me flabbergasted but you just don't replace a starting QB overnight.

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If you could name 5 of our current players I'd be inclined to listen to your take that it's a roster issue. You obviously missed the part where our QB last year completed 52% of his passes and threw almost as many INTs as TDs. I'd say Zerrick is a helluva upgrade based on what he did in the second half against A&T after settling in.

[TheKingpin28]

If you could name 5 of our current players I'd be inclined to listen to your take that it's a roster issue. You obviously missed the part where our QB last year completed 52% of his passes and threw almost as many INTs as TDs. I'd say Zerrick is a helluva upgrade based on what he did in the second half against A&T after settling in.I watched the game and neither QB could hit the broadside of a barn even when wide open lanes were present. It was beyond sloppy and borderline unwatchable for how bad it was but if Zerrick is truly an upgrade then it IS a roster issue as your coaching staff is incapable of developing and finding HIGH SCHOOL players who can contribute. Transfers hurt the programs longevity and stability.

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[ASU33]

Congratulations to the Aggies. You get a big #AggiePride from me!

[Redbird 4th & short]

ECU is not an FBS measuring stick game .. last season they went 3-9 against 67th ranked SOS. They lost games by margins of 57, 47, 42, 36, 30, 25, 24, 20 (JMU) and 7. JMU put up 600+ yards which were tempered by 175 yards in penalties or score would have been worse. So as good as JMU was a year ago ... they get far worse beatings by 7 other teams on their 67th ranked SOS.

They were ok on offense and horrible on defense last year ... see margins above .. 4 games gave 60+ points, 2 more at 50+, 4 more at 30+. They had many games where they gave up 600+ yards, and many more at 500+ yards. You guys got 279 total yards to their 400+. This year, their offense lost 7 starters including QB. So I'm guessing they are lucky to win 2 games this year.

No evidence of top 5 so far .. see how good this ECU game looks 3 months from now .. beating a bad FBS team by 5 does not make you top 5 in FCS. Certainly the top 15 of FCS are better than the bottom 15 of FBS. So I'm thinking top 15 or so at this point.

[Little Stevie]

Watched game and NC A&T worthy of top 6 ranking.
But,ECU is about as bad as it gets.
Man,have they fallen far (and fast).

[Redbird 4th & short]

ECU is not an FBS measuring stick game .. last season they went 3-9 against 67th ranked SOS. They lost games by margins of 57, 47, 42, 36, 30, 25, 24, 20 (JMU) and 7. JMU put up 600+ yards which were tempered by 175 yards in penalties or score would have been worse. So as good as JMU was a year ago ... they get far worse beatings by 7 other teams on their 67th ranked SOS.

They were ok on offense and horrible on defense last year ... see margins above .. 4 games gave 60+ points, 2 more at 50+, 4 more at 30+. They had many games where they gave up 600+ yards, and many more at 500+ yards. You guys got 279 total yards to their 400+. This year, their offense lost 7 starters including QB. So I'm guessing they are lucky to win 2 games this year.

No evidence of top 5 so far .. see how good this ECU game looks 3 months from now .. beating a bad FBS team by 5 does not make you top 5 in FCS. Certainly the top 15 of FCS are better than the bottom 15 of FBS. So I'm thinking top 15 or so at this point.
2017 FBS Massey Ranking #101: https://www.masseyratings.com/cf2017/fbs/ratings

2017 D-I Massey Ranking #117: https://www.masseyratings.com/cf2017/ncaa-d1/ratings

so in 2017, according to Massey, ECU ranked 117th in D-I, and 101st in FBS. There were 7 MVFC teams ranked higher than ECU at #117 last year ... 7 teams from one FCS conference were ranked higher (per Massey). This further means the 30th worst FBS team (out of 130) would have ranked 17th in FCS .. not sure I believe they would even be that high. My guess is ECU will be no better this season, probably worse .. they lost a lot from their offense and their defense was horrible a year ago.

So at best NC A&T just beat the 17th best FCS team by 4, likely ranked worse this year .. but we'll see in 3 months what this ECU win looks like.

I stand by my 15th or so for NC A&T.

edit .. I realize Massey is not the be all end all on ranking, but it does provide some objective relative perspective .. and frankly, they make it easier to do these comparisons than anyone else. I wish the Massey Composite archives were still available .. the composite of 35+ polls/systems are the best guide for arguments like this.

[Big Dawg]

So NCA&T gotta beat Bama? Gotcha...

[Redbird 4th & short]

So NCA&T gotta beat Bama? Gotcha...
Yes, Bama = ECU .. you got me there

[major095]

2017 FBS Massey Ranking #101: https://www.masseyratings.com/cf2017/fbs/ratings

2017 D-I Massey Ranking #117: https://www.masseyratings.com/cf2017/ncaa-d1/ratings

so in 2017, according to Massey, ECU ranked 117th in D-I, and 101st in FBS. There were 7 MVFC teams ranked higher than ECU at #117 last year ... 7 teams from one FCS conference were ranked higher (per Massey). This further means the 30th worst FBS team (out of 130) would have ranked 17th in FCS .. not sure I believe they would even be that high. My guess is ECU will be no better this season, probably worse .. they lost a lot from their offense and their defense was horrible a year ago.

So at best NC A&T just beat the 17th best FCS team by 4, likely ranked worse this year .. but we'll see in 3 months what this ECU win looks like.

I stand by my 15th or so for NC A&T.

edit .. I realize Massey is not the be all end all on ranking, but it does provide some objective relative perspective .. and frankly, they make it easier to do these comparisons than anyone else. I wish the Massey Composite archives were still available .. the composite of 35+ polls/systems are the best guide for arguments like this.

you sure are putting a lot of energy into justifying your "low" ranking of the aggies. I, and I think I can speak for a lot of us that follow hbcu football, have no expectation that anything that happens on the field is going to get many on here to respect the programs. Beating #6 didn't do it, beating a fbs team for the 3rd straight season didn't do it. Participating in the playoffs over the celebration bowl make as much financial sense as you quitting the job that pays you and going to do the same job elsewhere for free. So rank them where you will and hopefully espn will put together a matchup in montgomery with a team that many will find it more difficult to make excuses for.

[Bisonoline]

you sure are putting a lot of energy into justifying your "low" ranking of the aggies. I, and I think I can speak for a lot of us that follow hbcu football, have no expectation that anything that happens on the field is going to get many on here to respect the programs. Beating #6 didn't do it, beating a fbs team for the 3rd straight season didn't do it. Participating in the playoffs over the celebration bowl make as much financial sense as you quitting the job that pays you and going to do the same job elsewhere for free. So rank them where you will and hopefully espn will put together a matchup in montgomery with a team that many will find it more difficult to make excuses for.

Its called a discussion. You will also find that pollsters here can be very thorough and can tell you why they made the decision that they did. Thats what they do here.

FYI--- thats called an inferiority complex you are wearing on your sleeve.

[major095]

Its called a discussion. You will also find that pollsters here can be very thorough and can tell you why they made the decision that they did. Thats what they do here.

FYI--- thats called an inferiority complex you are wearing on your sleeve.

FYI, to have an inferiority complex one must believe they are inferior. Show me what I said that leads you to infer that? was it, come to montgomery next august so we can see what's what? or that I rightly know you haven't quit your job to work as an unpaid volunteer, otherwise known as the fcs playoffs.
As for his thoroughness, I said what I said.
go on with that man. ultimately polls don't matter. A&T isn't getting the respect they deserve in all quarters & that's ok. Jesus didn't either. I don't expect it even though they've earned it. If it's given, great. All I know is right now, most teams in fcs don't want to see an @A&T on their schedule. To be fair, my own institution IMHO, hides from competition. They'll go play GT, they'll play hbcu DII, but will not play anyone on this level that you could properly assess them against. I don't like it, but then again, the bison won't come out of their cave to play either.
pv has sam houston coming up & bama state is going to kennesaw. neither is the top of the conference but they'll give us an indication if the quality of the swac depth is improving.

[Redbird 4th & short]

you sure are putting a lot of energy into justifying your "low" ranking of the aggies. I, and I think I can speak for a lot of us that follow hbcu football, have no expectation that anything that happens on the field is going to get many on here to respect the programs. Beating #6 didn't do it, beating a fbs team for the 3rd straight season didn't do it. Participating in the playoffs over the celebration bowl make as much financial sense as you quitting the job that pays you and going to do the same job elsewhere for free. So rank them where you will and hopefully espn will put together a matchup in montgomery with a team that many will find it more difficult to make excuses for.

In 2018, NC A&T beat ECU (Massey #101 in 2017, probably lower when 2018 is all done) by 5

In 2017, NC A&T beat #127 (out of 130) Charlotte by 4

In 2016, NC A&T beat #119 (out of 128) Kent State by 4

Beating bad FBS teams by less than a TD does not put you into top 10 of FCS. Laying claim to beating FBS teams 3 years in a row as if you are slaying giants, is just a bit of a stretch to say the least. Your AD is clearly targeting the worst FBS teams each year.

In 2016, ISUr beat #35 Northwestern by 2 ... that would be an example of an impressive FBS win; but still finished season 6-5 because we play in MVFC and we face real top 10-20 teams more often than not every week.

Also in 2016, NC A&T (9-2) accepted FCS playoff bid and played Richmond without their stud QB Luetta and lost by 29. Didn't turn out too well .. less than just 2 years ago.

[major095]

In 2018, NC A&T beat ECU (Massey #101 in 2017, probably lower when 2018 is all done) by 5

In 2017, NC A&T beat #127 (out of 130) Charlotte by 4

In 2016, NC A&T beat #119 (out of 128) Kent State by 4

Beating bad FBS teams by less than a TD does not put you into top 10 of FCS. Laying claim to beating FBS teams 3 years in a row as if you are slaying giants, is just a bit of a stretch to say the least. Your AD is clearly targeting the worst FBS teams each year.

In 2016, ISUr beat #35 Northwestern by 2 ... that would be an example of an impressive FBS win; but still finished season 6-5 because we play in MVFC and we face real top 10-20 teams more often than not every week.

Also in 2016, NC A&T (9-2) accepted FCS playoff bid and played Richmond without their stud QB Luetta and lost by 29. Didn't turn out too well .. less than just 2 years ago.
understood. What have the teams you ranked in front of A&T done this season that you find more impressive?

[Redbird 4th & short]

you sure are putting a lot of energy into justifying your "low" ranking of the aggies. I, and I think I can speak for a lot of us that follow hbcu football, have no expectation that anything that happens on the field is going to get many on here to respect the programs. Beating #6 didn't do it, beating a fbs team for the 3rd straight season didn't do it. Participating in the playoffs over the celebration bowl make as much financial sense as you quitting the job that pays you and going to do the same job elsewhere for free. So rank them where you will and hopefully espn will put together a matchup in montgomery with a team that many will find it more difficult to make excuses for.
as to putting a lot of energy into this ... I did the exact same thing prior to 2014 when i thought Colonial and Big Sky were getting playoff bids that belonged to MVFC for 3 straight years (2011-13) .. i was arguing the merits of quality wins and losses as it impacted rankings and eventually playoff selections. I'm naive enought to think forums like this are not only fun for banter, but also for scrutinizing polls. I've said many times before, AGS has the best subjective poll by far ... the reason ? All this banter and scrutiny lends itself to people feeling accountable and wanting to get it right. The coaches polls and Stats polls are fairly useless ... AGS has the right forum to do the FCS poll right.

And just like I argued MVFC was the best conference and should have had more bids from 2011-13, finally getting it's due in 2014-15 .. I have recently conceded Colonial has since closed the gap again and pulled even with MVFC. Big Sky also closed the gap some last year .. we'll see if it continues this year. It's fun to try to figure out who will do well or not, while cheering my team on.

[Bisonoline]

FYI, to have an inferiority complex one must believe they are inferior. Show me what I said that leads you to infer that? was it, come to montgomery next august so we can see what's what? or that I rightly know you haven't quit your job to work as an unpaid volunteer, otherwise known as the fcs playoffs.
As for his thoroughness, I said what I said.
go on with that man. ultimately polls don't matter. A&T isn't getting the respect they deserve in all quarters & that's ok. Jesus didn't either. I don't expect it even though they've earned it. If it's given, great. All I know is right now, most teams in fcs don't want to see an @A&T on their schedule. To be fair, my own institution IMHO, hides from competition. They'll go play GT, they'll play hbcu DII, but will not play anyone on this level that you could properly assess them against. I don't like it, but then again, the bison won't come out of their cave to play either.
pv has sam houston coming up & bama state is going to kennesaw. neither is the top of the conference but they'll give us an indication if the quality of the swac depth is improving.

Really??? What to you call,Ball State, Kansas, Kansas State, Minnesota, Central Michigan, Colorado State, Iowa State and University of Iowa??????? In 2020 we have Oregon and in 2021 Arizona on the slate. You call that hiding? We have no issues playing anyone. What we have is a problem where schools dont want to play us. Why??? Because we beat all of those teams I mentioned. So in fact its the opposite of what you envision.

[Redbird 4th & short]

understood. What have the teams you ranked in front of A&T done this season that you find more impressive?
not sure where all to start .. but let's start with STATS #23 South Dakota ? They are 0-1 and lost to Kansas St by 3 on the road. Last year Kansasa St was 8-5 playing in Big 12 and was Massey #31. They lost to #5 Oklahoma by just 7, beat #11 Ok St by 5 on road, and beat that Charlotte team by 48.

South Dakota lost to them by just 3 on road after losing their all world QB Streveler. USD was a top 16 team a year ago .. so why were they out of top 25 and had to climb to 23 with a very impressive loss. I would say that 3 point loss far exceeds NC A&T's 5 point win. Yet USD goes from NR to 23 ... and NC A&T fans are arguing for top 5 or better .. makes no sense. USD is a far more accomplished team than NC A&T .. and STATS bumped them up to #23.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Really??? What to you call,Ball State, Kansas, Kansas State, Minnesota, Central Michigan, Colorado State, Iowa State and University of Iowa??????? In 2020 we have Oregon and in 2021 Arizona on the slate. You call that hiding? We have no issues playing anyone. What we have is a problem where schools dont want to play us. Why??? Because we beat all of those teams I mentioned. So in fact its the opposite of what you envision.

that is so last 10 years straight .. but what have Bison done lately ???

:D

[POD Knows]

FYI, to have an inferiority complex one must believe they are inferior. Show me what I said that leads you to infer that? was it, come to montgomery next august so we can see what's what? or that I rightly know you haven't quit your job to work as an unpaid volunteer, otherwise known as the fcs playoffs.
As for his thoroughness, I said what I said.
go on with that man. ultimately polls don't matter. A&T isn't getting the respect they deserve in all quarters & that's ok. Jesus didn't either. I don't expect it even though they've earned it. If it's given, great. All I know is right now, most teams in fcs don't want to see an @A&T on their schedule. To be fair, my own institution IMHO, hides from competition. They'll go play GT, they'll play hbcu DII, but will not play anyone on this level that you could properly assess them against. I don't like it, but then again, the bison won't come out of their cave to play either.
pv has sam houston coming up & bama state is going to kennesaw. neither is the top of the conference but they'll give us an indication if the quality of the swac depth is improving.
What, is NCAT Jesus's team now?? Your comment regarding the "Bison" not coming out of their caves is as dumb as it gets. Have you looked at our schedule in the past, we play FBS teams, on the road, all the time, we had a H&H with Montana and EWU, we are doing one with Delaware, wake the **** up. It is getting to the point where nobody in FBS will play us because for some reason, they lose all the time. We play Oregon and in Arizona in the upcoming years however and those will be tough. If NCAT keeps rolling and maybe down the road we could do a home and home but don't expect to see a home and home with the Bison for the rest of the rabble in that conference, unless they step up.

[POD Knows]

Really??? What to you call,Ball State, Kansas, Kansas State, Minnesota, Central Michigan, Colorado State, Iowa State and University of Iowa??????? In 2020 we have Oregon and in 2021 Arizona on the slate. You call that hiding? We have no issues playing anyone. What we have is a problem where schools dont want to play us. Why??? Because we beat all of those teams I mentioned. So in fact its the opposite of what you envision.Damn it, you beat me to it. Good post.

[Bisonoline]

that is so last 10 years straight .. but what have Bison done lately ???

:D

You got me xthumbsupx :D

[major095]

last road game against fcs opponent that wasn't in your conference? eastern? next year against del, right? last time you came south? 2009...the result... a loss. also the last time you had a losing record. maybe for the 10th anniversary next season you can come south again.
As I said, this is the same problem I have with Alcorn, they don't play games against teams in fcs you can measure them against that they don't have to play. playing up is a win-win. If you lose, you were supposed to, and you got paid. If you win it's a major accomplishment and you got paid.
bama state to their credit is doing a home and home with kennesaw (though I doubt they thought KSU would be good this soon). they played the first half of one against sam houston, and pv is playing them soon.

[major095]

What, is NCAT Jesus's team now?? Your comment regarding the "Bison" not coming out of their caves is as dumb as it gets. Have you looked at our schedule in the past, we play FBS teams, on the road, all the time, we had a H&H with Montana and EWU, we are doing one with Delaware, wake the **** up. It is getting to the point where nobody in FBS will play us because for some reason, they lose all the time. We play Oregon and in Arizona in the upcoming years however and those will be tough. If NCAT keeps rolling and maybe down the road we could do a home and home but don't expect to see a home and home with the Bison for the rest of the rabble in that conference, unless they step up.

No, A&T is not Jesus team, or at least He didn't mention them last we talked. I did not infer that they were Jesus team, and I'm sure you know this. In fact I resent that I have to type this because you act like you don't understand the parallel I drew that the son of God, did not receive his due and that A&T is not receiving their due from some. Nevertheless, just encourage your AD to get you into the kickoff game in Montgomery. It'll be a nationally televised game, you get to play week 0, you get paid. What is there to lose? It's been nearly 10 years since the bison left their cave and traveled south to face a fcs team in a regular season matchup. Don't you think it's time?

[Lorne_Malvo]

last road game against fcs opponent that wasn't in your conference? eastern? next year against del, right? last time you came south? 2009...the result... a loss. also the last time you had a losing record. maybe for the 10th anniversary next season you can come south again.
As I said, this is the same problem I have with Alcorn, they don't play games against teams in fcs you can measure them against that they don't have to play. playing up is a win-win. If you lose, you were supposed to, and you got paid. If you win it's a major accomplishment and you got paid.
bama state to their credit is doing a home and home with kennesaw (though I doubt they thought KSU would be good this soon). they played the first half of one against sam houston, and pv is playing them soon.

That's adorable.

[Bisonoline]

last road game against fcs opponent that wasn't in your conference? eastern? next year against del, right? last time you came south? 2009...the result... a loss. also the last time you had a losing record. maybe for the 10th anniversary next season you can come south again.
As I said, this is the same problem I have with Alcorn, they don't play games against teams in fcs you can measure them against that they don't have to play. playing up is a win-win. If you lose, you were supposed to, and you got paid. If you win it's a major accomplishment and you got paid.
bama state to their credit is doing a home and home with kennesaw (though I doubt they thought KSU would be good this soon). they played the first half of one against sam houston, and pv is playing them soon.

I think we did pretty good in Frisco TX 6 of the years weve been down there. Beat SHSU twice in the championship game. Twice in the semifinals which last year we seal clubbed them.

FYI when we play a FBS team we expect to win. Your whole scenario on if we lose we were expected to but we got paid just doesnt work that way for us.
Its not how we are built.

[Derby City Duke]

Think NDSU was in their transition to FCS during that time. Is it that far-fetched to believe they would lose to an FCS school at that point?

[Bisonoline]

No, A&T is not Jesus team, or at least He didn't mention them last we talked. I did not infer that they were Jesus team, and I'm sure you know this. In fact I resent that I have to type this because you act like you don't understand the parallel I drew that the son of God, did not receive his due and that A&T is not receiving their due from some. Nevertheless, just encourage your AD to get you into the kickoff game in Montgomery. It'll be a nationally televised game, you get to play week 0, you get paid. What is there to lose? It's been nearly 10 years since the bison left their cave and traveled south to face a fcs team in a regular season matchup. Don't you think it's time?

Weve already done the kickoff game BTW. So whats your hang up about coming south?

[Twentysix]

NDSU @ Ball State 29-24, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/boxscore/_/id/262662050

NDSU @ Central Michigan 44-14, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/272652117

NDSU @ Minnesota 27-21, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/272930135

NDSU @ Kansas 6-3, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/302472305

NDSU @ Minnesota 37-24, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/312670135

NDSU @ Colorado State 22-7, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/322520036

NDSU @ #26 Kansas State 24-21, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/332422306

NDSU @ Iowa State 34-14, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400547840

NDSU @ #13 Iowa 23-21, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400869656


FCS Kickoff (week 0) games:

NDSU @ Montana 38-35, NDSU Loss.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/boxscore/_/id/400795501

Charleston Southern @ NDSU 24-17, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400873307


We have been a Division I team for only 10 years. You have no idea what you are talking about kid.


NDSU finishes self-study in D-I transitionBy Sun Staff (http://www.jamestownsun.com/users/newsjamestownsuncom) on May 14, 2008 at 12:00 a.m.











FARGO (AP) -- North Dakota State University says the NCAA has approved the school's self-study, as NDSU moves from Division II to Division I.

The study looked at academics, diversity, student-athlete welfare, rules compliance and equity.
NDSU athletic director Gene Taylor says the self-study was approved with no conditions. Possible conditions could have included such things as beefing up medical training staff.
NDSU still has more steps to complete in the reclassification process.


But the school is expected to be considered a full-fledged Division I member in the next school year.

[major095]

That's adorable.
It is isn't it.xlovex


I think we did pretty good in Frisco TX 6 of the years weve been down there. Beat SHSU twice in the championship game. Twice in the semifinals which last year we seal clubbed them.

FYI when we play a FBS team we expect to win. Your whole scenario on if we lose we were expected to but we got paid just doesnt work that way for us.
Its not how we are built. Now, I am an eternal optimist, and maybe playing teams in the upper midwest and avoiding the acc/sec allows you to expect to win. my point really is not to criticize the bison's on-field results. I wish alcorn had that level of success. Even when we had steve mcnair, the coaching was so poor we managed to lose conference games. What I am trying to point out is the scheduling for ndsu is protectionist, like alabama, like alcorn. fbs games are great, but they come with the understanding that if you lose, you were supposed to. that's why no one in lorman, ms is being critical of the coaches this week after a 41-0 loss to georgia tech. if they'd won he'd get a raise & an extension. after hopson took our team to jmu & got destroyed he stopped playing fcs teams altogether & parlayed that into the gig at southern miss.


Think NDSU was in their transition to FCS during that time. Is it that far-fetched to believe they would lose to an FCS school at that point?
your website doesn't show they were in transition so there was no way for me to know that. wouldn't change the fact that the last regular season game you played south of illinois you lost.


Weve already done the kickoff game BTW. So whats your hang up about coming south?

because I live in the south? I think everything in the south is better? b/c I grew up in crampton bowl? I don't know. make something up.


NDSU @ Ball State 29-24, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/boxscore/_/id/262662050

NDSU @ Central Michigan 44-14, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/272652117

NDSU @ Minnesota 27-21, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/272930135

NDSU @ Kansas 6-3, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/302472305

NDSU @ Minnesota 37-24, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/312670135

NDSU @ Colorado State 22-7, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/322520036

NDSU @ #26 Kansas State 24-21, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/332422306

NDSU @ Iowa State 34-14, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400547840

NDSU @ #13 Iowa 23-21, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400869656


FCS Kickoff (week 0) games:

NDSU @ Montana 38-35, NDSU Loss.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/boxscore/_/id/400795501

Charleston Southern @ NDSU 24-17, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400873307


We have been a Division I team for only 10 years. You have no idea what you are talking about kid.
and for the 10th anniversary you should come on down. you can have a good southern breakfast and everything.

[Derby City Duke]

your website doesn't show they were in transition so there was no way for me to know that. wouldn't change the fact that the last regular season game you played south of illinois you lost.

Our last regular season game was south of Illinois and we beat Elon 31-3. I don't root for NDSU unless they are playing the University of Richmond, UVa, or Virginia Tech.

[POD Knows]

No, A&T is not Jesus team, or at least He didn't mention them last we talked. I did not infer that they were Jesus team, and I'm sure you know this. In fact I resent that I have to type this because you act like you don't understand the parallel I drew that the son of God, did not receive his due and that A&T is not receiving their due from some. Nevertheless, just encourage your AD to get you into the kickoff game in Montgomery. It'll be a nationally televised game, you get to play week 0, you get paid. What is there to lose? It's been nearly 10 years since the bison left their cave and traveled south to face a fcs team in a regular season matchup. Don't you think it's time?I was messing with you on the Jesus thing, I guess I just didn't understand the parallels between the trials and tribulations of Christ and NCAT. I would be all for doing a kickoff game down south, which cupcake do you suggest we play. We did go down south to play a cupcake, it was JSU in Frisco and Frisco is south to me. How did that end.

[Southern Bison]

It is isn't it.xlovex

Now, I am an eternal optimist, and maybe playing teams in the upper midwest and avoiding the acc/sec allows you to expect to win. my point really is not to criticize the bison's on-field results. I wish alcorn had that level of success. Even when we had steve mcnair, the coaching was so poor we managed to lose conference games. What I am trying to point out is the scheduling for ndsu is protectionist, like alabama, like alcorn. fbs games are great, but they come with the understanding that if you lose, you were supposed to. that's why no one in lorman, ms is being critical of the coaches this week after a 41-0 loss to georgia tech. if they'd won he'd get a raise & an extension. after hopson took our team to jmu & got destroyed he stopped playing fcs teams altogether & parlayed that into the gig at southern miss.


your website doesn't show they were in transition so there was no way for me to know that. wouldn't change the fact that the last regular season game you played south of illinois you lost.



because I live in the south? I think everything in the south is better? b/c I grew up in crampton bowl? I don't know. make something up.


and for the 10th anniversary you should come on down. you can have a good southern breakfast and everything.I run the alumni group in the Carolinas...trust me, I'm lobbying for a game down South every time I see the AD. The Citadel would be a great H&H as well as a vacation destination for Bison fans. GaSo & App would be good FBS games due to their successful history in DI-AA/FCS.

Problem is because we are 8-3 in games against FBS schools since 2004, they won't answer when caller ID shows area code 701 & prefix 231. Also, the Fargodome is a sellout for every home game. We don't need that FBS payday game...but we want them for the national exposure as evidenced by Oregon in '20, Arizona in '22, & Colorado in '24.

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[Professor]

AD is already exploring the possibility. Has been non commital about remaining in MEAC.

I pray we go no where. Celebration Bowl has done more for us than the playoffs ever will

[Gil Dobie]

NDSU @ Central Michigan 44-14, NDSU Win.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/272652117


Noticed some kid named Antonio Brown caught 9 balls for 54 yards and a TD in that game.

[Professor]

So NCA&T gotta beat Bama? Gotcha...

Still won't be enough. We need to schedule Georgia too and maybe Auburn

[Redbird 4th & short]

I pray we go no where. Celebration Bowl has done more for us than the playoffs ever will

agreed .. because last time you ventured into deep end of pool (just one full season prior), you lost to #8 Richmond team who had just lost their stud (now NFL) QB, and would obviously been seeded much worse or not even made playoffs if not for the QB they lost to injury .. and lost by 29.

[Professor]

In 2018, NC A&T beat ECU (Massey #101 in 2017, probably lower when 2018 is all done) by 5

In 2017, NC A&T beat #127 (out of 130) Charlotte by 4

In 2016, NC A&T beat #119 (out of 128) Kent State by 4

Beating bad FBS teams by less than a TD does not put you into top 10 of FCS. Laying claim to beating FBS teams 3 years in a row as if you are slaying giants, is just a bit of a stretch to say the least. Your AD is clearly targeting the worst FBS teams each year.

In 2016, ISUr beat #35 Northwestern by 2 ... that would be an example of an impressive FBS win; but still finished season 6-5 because we play in MVFC and we face real top 10-20 teams more often than not every week.

Also in 2016, NC A&T (9-2) accepted FCS playoff bid and played Richmond without their stud QB Luetta and lost by 29. Didn't turn out too well .. less than just 2 years ago.

And i love how you neglect to bring up the fact A&T was on their 3rd QB. #7 Raynard and #10 Carter who both played against ECU were hurt

[Professor]

No, A&T is not Jesus team, or at least He didn't mention them last we talked. I did not infer that they were Jesus team, and I'm sure you know this. In fact I resent that I have to type this because you act like you don't understand the parallel I drew that the son of God, did not receive his due and that A&T is not receiving their due from some. Nevertheless, just encourage your AD to get you into the kickoff game in Montgomery. It'll be a nationally televised game, you get to play week 0, you get paid. What is there to lose? It's been nearly 10 years since the bison left their cave and traveled south to face a fcs team in a regular season matchup. Don't you think it's time?


NDSU vs Samford would be a good game. FYI, Samford is already in the 2019 Kickoff game

[Professor]

agreed .. because last time you ventured into deep end of pool (just one full season prior), you lost to #8 Richmond team who had just lost their stud (now NFL) QB, and would obviously been seeded lower or not even made playoffs if not for the QB they lost to injury .. and lost by 29.

And i love how you neglect to bring up the fact A&T was on their 3rd QB. #7 Raynard and #10 Carter who both played against ECU were hurt.

And this same Richmond team upset the #7 team ND that season too. But hey

[Professor]

agreed .. because last time you ventured into deep end of pool (just one full season prior), you lost to #8 Richmond team who had just lost their stud (now NFL) QB, and would obviously been seeded lower or not even made playoffs if not for the QB they lost to injury .. and lost by 29.

Not about the deep end of the pool. It's called business. Celebration Bowl is watched more than ANY playoff game. ABC is better than ESPN2. We get paid for going to the Celebration Bowl. So other than beating your chest , what are you getting? Illinois State hasn't made playoffs since 2016, Funny A&T was there too. Just not seeing how your playoff argument is standing up in the discussion of A&T vs Illinois State.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Not about the deep end of the pool. It's called business. Celebration Bowl is watched more than ANY playoff game. ABC is better than ESPN2. We get paid for going to the Celebration Bowl. So other than beating your chest , what are you getting? Illinois State hasn't made playoffs since 2016, Funny A&T was there too. Just not seeing how your playoff argument is standing up in the discussion of A&T vs Illinois State.
Will admit I have no idea about NC A&T injury report ... but Richmond's injured guy will play on Sundays now.

I never argued NC A&T vs ISUr .. other than pointing out we had a real FBS win over #35 Northwestern and finished 6-5. But since you raised the question .. at 6-5, we did make playoffs and went to 9-2 UCA (ranked #11 or 12) .. we had the lead and game under complete control until two Q4 special teams mistakes gave them 10 points .. we lost by 7.

See the difference between 6-5 in MVFC and 9-2 in Southland ?? Very small difference given SOS. And that SOS disparity issue gets much larger when you compare MVFC to MEAC. That would be the entire point here when talking about rankings ... quality wins and losses based on SOS.

Tell your AD to schedule an FBS team with a pulse .. or show up again for FCS playoffs and win a game or 2 .. before acting like you should be annointed best team in FCS.

That 39-10 Richmond game was just over one season ago .. now all of sudden you are top 2 or 3 ... right.

[BisonFan02]

I pray we go no where. Celebration Bowl has done more for us than the playoffs ever will

I don't blame you....because you end up being "one and dones" every time in the playoffs....usually on the road Thanksgiving weekend. I'd hide too.

[Professor]

Will admit I have no idea about NC A&T injury report ... but Richmond's injured guy will play on Sundays now.

I never argued NC A&T vs ISUr .. other than pointing out we had a real FBS win over #35 Northwestern and finished 6-5. But since you raised the question .. at 6-5, we did make playoffs and went to 9-2 UCA (ranked #11 or 12) .. we had the lead and game under complete control until two Q4 special teams mistakes gave them 10 points .. we lost by 7.

See the difference between 6-5 in MVFC and 9-2 in Southland ?? Very small difference given SOS. And that SOS disparity issue gets much larger when you compare MVFC to MEAC. That would be the entire point here when talking about rankings ... quality wins and losses based on SOS.

Tell your AD to schedule an FBS team with a pulse .. or show up again for FCS playoffs and win a game or 2 .. before acting like you should be annointed best team in FCS.

That 39-10 Richmond game was just over one season ago .. now all of sudden you are top 2 or 3 ... right.

Anytime Illinois State wants a home and home , our AD is available. We have an open slot for 2019.

Yea it was in 2016 and you lost then as well. You haven't been back since. We haven't lost since that game. How about you lol? Maybe if you focused your attention on your program and not worried about where we are ranked......... you might win a conference title soon

[Professor]

I don't blame you....because you end up being "one and dones" every time in the playoffs....usually on the road Thanksgiving weekend. I'd hide too.

Enjoying being pimped by the NCAA. I rather take the national stage and the paycheck. If the celebration bowl ever ends, we can talk about playing in the playoffs again. Until then we won't be there unless we don't win the conference. Straight business decision

[POD Knows]

Enjoying being pimped by the NCAA. I rather take the national stage and the paycheck. If the celebration bowl ever ends, we can talk about playing in the playoffs again. Until then we won't be there unless we don't win the conference. Straight business decisionThen don't bitch when nobody respects you in the morning. BTW, we left cab fare on the nightstand. :D

Just messing with you, I got you pretty high in the polls but you better beat every team in the MEAC by 30 or your stock is going drop, SOS and all that.

[Professor]

Then don't bitch when nobody respects you in the morning. BTW, we left cab fare on the nightstand. :D

Just messing with you, I got you pretty high in the polls but you better beat every team in the MEAC by 30 or your stock is going drop, SOS and all that.

Who is bitching? Only people arguing polls are non Aggies. We just smiling and booking rooms for Atlanta in Dec. We have 2 maybe 3 more tough games and it's time for our 3rd Celebration Bowl in 4 years.

We are building a brand. When i wear my Aggie gear out of town, people say hey I like NCA&T. Saw you guys in the Celebration Bowl. Or they like Tarik or ready to see Brandon Parker. We are building on the wins and tv exposure. This ranking debate you have every week is immaterial at this point.

Like Coach Washington Said

- Tell them to bring me my money

[POD Knows]

Who is bitching? Only people arguing polls are non Aggies. We just smiling and booking rooms for Atlanta in Dec. We have 2 maybe 3 more tough games and it's time for our 3rd Celebration Bowl in 4 yearsYep, no doubt.

[WileECoyote06]

Who is bitching? Only people arguing polls are non Aggies. We just smiling and booking rooms for Atlanta in Dec. We have 2 maybe 3 more tough games and it's time for our 3rd Celebration Bowl in 4 years.

We are building a brand. When i wear my Aggie gear out of town, people say hey I like NCA&T. Saw you guys in the Celebration Bowl. Or they like Tarik or ready to see Brandon Parker. We are building on the wins and tv exposure. This ranking debate you have every week is immaterial at this point.

Like Coach Washington Said

- Tell them to bring me my money

Yall are the anointed ones right now, but football is settled on the field. You gotta play at BCU and at NCCU. Also, Howard looks like they will be a factor.

The Bring Me My Money speech was golden though

https://www.facebook.com/618663038/posts/10154970837543039/

[Redbird 4th & short]

Who is bitching? Only people arguing polls are non Aggies. We just smiling and booking rooms for Atlanta in Dec. We have 2 maybe 3 more tough games and it's time for our 3rd Celebration Bowl in 4 years.

We are building a brand. When i wear my Aggie gear out of town, people say hey I like NCA&T. Saw you guys in the Celebration Bowl. Or they like Tarik or ready to see Brandon Parker. We are building on the wins and tv exposure. This ranking debate you have every week is immaterial at this point.

Like Coach Washington Said

- Tell them to bring me my money

obviously not a true statement at all.

As for participation in Celebration bowl, I have zero issue with there being a different playoff opportunity for whatever set of reasons. And if the economics of it work better for your conference champions and playoff format, then it makes even more sense.

But we're not arguing about that .. at least I'm not. I'm making exact same arguments I made from 2011-13 about CAA and Big Sky getting bids or rankings that I disagreed with.

[Professor]

Yall are the anointed ones right now, but football is settled on the field. You gotta play at BCU and at NCCU. Also, Howard looks like they will be a factor.

The Bring Me My Money speech was golden though

https://www.facebook.com/618663038/posts/10154970837543039/

Like i said 2 to 3 more tough games. We don't play Howard and it looks like we will be sitting pretty in the tiebreaker scenario with a FCS and FBS win

[Professor]

obviously not a true statement at all.

As for participation in Celebration bowl, I have zero issue with there being a different playoff opportunity for whatever set of reasons. And if the economics of it work better for your conference champions and playoff format, then it makes even more sense.

But we're not arguing about that .. at least I'm not. I'm making exact same arguments I made from 2011-13 about CAA and Big Sky getting bids or rankings that I disagreed with.

Let me clarify..... THIS AGGIE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THAT POLL. Poll don't pay no bills. We have earned an at large bid if we don't win the conference anyway. Just got to win 7 to 8 games.

[JSUSoutherner]

Let me clarify..... THIS AGGIE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THAT POLL. Poll don't pay no bills. We have earned an at large bid if we don't win the conference anyway. Just got to win 7 to 8 games.

"Don't pay no bills"

[Cocky]

I wouldn't say Klieman was a downgrade at all. He is a more lateral shift then anything. I have to wonder how bad that drubbing in Frisco left an aftershock on the program. That is actually a serious question.

I wasn't saying your QB was all world but when you lose a guy expected to start this year and have to find a quick replacement, well it just does not usually work out.

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Frisco had little to nothing to do with our current state. JSU knew going in with their QB and leading RB hurt it was going to be a tough day. Most were satisfied with just being back on the national stage after several years of being an afterthought. Our defense played a decent game considering our lack of offense. Holding NDSU to below season averages in yards/rush and passing yards/attempt and total yards was at least a small token to gasp. What may be the bigger problem is the excitement of the NDSU game is a long passed memory.

I wasnt trying to downgrade Kileman more speaking of how good the previous guy performed. JSU did not make as good a hire as NDSU, not that you needed to be told.

[Bisonoline]

Who is bitching? Only people arguing polls are non Aggies. We just smiling and booking rooms for Atlanta in Dec. We have 2 maybe 3 more tough games and it's time for our 3rd Celebration Bowl in 4 years.

We are building a brand. When i wear my Aggie gear out of town, people say hey I like NCA&T. Saw you guys in the Celebration Bowl. Or they like Tarik or ready to see Brandon Parker. We are building on the wins and tv exposure. This ranking debate you have every week is immaterial at this point.

Like Coach Washington Said

- Tell them to bring me my money

How do you build a brand when your rep is based on playing weak teams and playing the same teams in a supposed bowl game most have never heard about?

[POD Knows]

How do you build a brand when your rep is based on playing weak teams and playing the same teams in a supposed bowl game most have never heard about?Nike?

[Bisonoline]

Nike?

xthumbsupx

[ASU33]

How do you build a brand when your rep is based on playing weak teams and playing the same teams in a supposed bowl game most have never heard about?

Enrollment numbers at A&T are up, freshman class is the largest in school history, The Celebration Bowl is on ABC not Espn2 or ESPN-U and from an eyeballs AND attendance standpoint it dwarfs the FCS title game by a considerable amount. The numbers compared to the FCS playoffs favor the Celebration Bowl even more but carry on.

[Bisonoline]

Enrollment numbers at A&T are up, freshman class is the largest in school history, The Celebration Bowl is on ABC not Espn2 or ESPN-U and from an eyeballs AND attendance standpoint it dwarfs the FCS title game by a considerable amount. The numbers compared to the FCS playoffs favor the Celebration Bowl even more but carry on.

The celebration bowl is a target audience. As far as numbers it just shows what weve known for years in the fact that the NCAA does virtually nothing to push the game or playoffs. If you are going to try to hang your hat on the celebration numbers being better then you prove my point.

[ASU33]

The celebration bowl is a target audience. As far as numbers it just shows what weve known for years in the fact that the NCAA does virtually nothing to push the game or playoffs. If you are going to try to hang your hat on the celebration numbers being better then you prove my point.

You can make whatever excuse that you'd like but the facts are one game draws more eyeballs and butts in the seats than the other. If no one has heard of the Celebration Bowl, remember that many people x's 3 have no clue who the FCS National Champ is or where or when the game is played. If you're making this a popularity argument you're losing that one target audience or not!

[cx500d]

You can make whatever excuse that you'd like but the facts are one game draws more eyeballs and butts in the seats than the other. If no one has heard of the Celebration Bowl, remember that many people x's 3 have no clue who the FCS National Champ is or where or when the game is played. If you're making this a popularity argument you're losing that one target audience or not!

It all depends on your target audience. For posterity, People don’t look in the record books to see who the celebration bowl champ was, or who the Idaho famous potato bowl champ was, or who the dollar general/eureka vacuum bowl winner is, they look to see who the actual champion was in whatever division they are interested in.

[ASU33]

It all depends on your target audience. For posterity, People don’t look in the record books to see who the celebration bowl champ was, or who the Idaho famous potato bowl champ was, or who the dollar general/eureka vacuum bowl winner is, they look to see who the actual champion was in whatever division they are interested in.

Most folks know ONE champ if we're being honest. The rest of us outside of the Power 5 are in the same boat in the same little pond and anyone who thinks that's not the case is lying to themselves.

[Bisonoline]

You can make whatever excuse that you'd like but the facts are one game draws more eyeballs and butts in the seats than the other. If no one has heard of the Celebration Bowl, remember that many people x's 3 have no clue who the FCS National Champ is or where or when the game is played. If you're making this a popularity argument you're losing that one target audience or not!

The original comment was----you are building a brand. Your replies in regards to my post are right in line with my comment. Which I might add is more negative to your cause than positive.

There are no excuses. Just comparisons. How one want to quantify them is a different matter.xthumbsupx

[uni88]

It all depends on your target audience. For posterity, People don’t look in the record books to see who the celebration bowl champ was, or who the Idaho famous potato bowl champ was, or who the dollar general/eureka vacuum bowl winner is, they look to see who the actual champion was in whatever division they are interested in.

True. That's why DII championships don't mean didley.

To the vast majority of (casual) college football fans, the FCS championship doesn't mean didley ether. I don't blame A&T for focusing on the Celebration Bowl - more money and more exposure are not bad things for a university. I also give them credit for beating JSU and ECU. They may not be EWU and Iowa but they're not cupcakes either.

[POD Knows]

True. That's why DII championships don't mean didley.

To the vast majority of (casual) college football fans, the FCS championship doesn't mean didley ether. I don't blame A&T for focusing on the Celebration Bowl - more money and more exposure are not bad things for a university. I also give them credit for beating JSU and ECU. They may not be EWU and Iowa but they're not cupcakes either.ECU is a cupcake.

[ASU33]

True. That's why DII championships don't mean didley.

To the vast majority of (casual) college football fans, the FCS championship doesn't mean didley ether. I don't blame A&T for focusing on the Celebration Bowl - more money and more exposure are not bad things for a university. I also give them credit for beating JSU and ECU. They may not be EWU and Iowa but they're not cupcakes either.

Here in Atlanta a host on a local radio host was giving Georgia State all kinds of heck for almost losing to a D2 team(Kennesaw State). Amazingly none of the callers corrected him and many pushed the same D2 narrative until a fan of Georgia Southern called in and explained that Kennesaw State is FCS and you could tell that the host either didn't get it or didn't care to get it and we're talking about a legit FCS title contender right here in our backyard. The host didn't even know that KSU has a quality program and made the FCS playoffs a year ago. This same station NEVER talks about ANY college football outside of UGA and Ga Tech 90% of the time. They only mention the MEAC/SWAC Challenge and The Celebration Bowl because it's an ESPN affiliate but after that 10 minute window where they're interviewing someone about that it's back to UGA/Ga Tech and The Falcons.

[DeltaDevil662]

Most folks know ONE champ if we're being honest. The rest of us outside of the Power 5 are in the same boat in the same little pond and anyone who thinks that's not the case is lying to themselves.

Now you are getting somewhere. This whole board is basically a circle jerk of (PWI) FCS fans lying to themselves about the relevancy of their beloved playoffs and FCS title.

I don't know what hurts them more: the fact that you are telling the truth (that most of us know) about the FCS playoffs or that a HBCU bowl game is more relevant than their precious playoffs and it burns them to their soul to admit it like they hate to admit that A&T right now is arguably the best team in FCS football. They would rather go out of their way to belittle their opponents than give a HBCU props

[Bisonoline]

Now you are getting somewhere. This whole board is basically a circle jerk of (PWI) FCS fans lying to themselves about the relevancy of their beloved playoffs and FCS title.

I don't know what hurts them more: the fact that you are telling the truth (that most of us know) about the FCS playoffs or that a HBCU bowl game is more relevant than their precious playoffs and it burns them to their soul to admit it like they hate to admit that A&T right now is arguably the best team in FCS football. They would rather go out of their way to belittle their opponents than give a HBCU props


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[cx500d]

Now you are getting somewhere. This whole board is basically a circle jerk of (PWI) FCS fans lying to themselves about the relevancy of their beloved playoffs and FCS title.

I don't know what hurts them more: the fact that you are telling the truth (that most of us know) about the FCS playoffs or that a HBCU bowl game is more relevant than their precious playoffs and it burns them to their soul to admit it like they hate to admit that A&T right now is arguably the best team in FCS football. They would rather go out of their way to belittle their opponents than give a HBCU props
We already determined it’s not a hbcu championship since not all hbcus are invited; merely a championship between two poor to ****ty conferences.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Now you are getting somewhere. This whole board is basically a circle jerk of (PWI) FCS fans lying to themselves about the relevancy of their beloved playoffs and FCS title.

I don't know what hurts them more: the fact that you are telling the truth (that most of us know) about the FCS playoffs or that a HBCU bowl game is more relevant than their precious playoffs and it burns them to their soul to admit it like they hate to admit that A&T right now is arguably the best team in FCS football. They would rather go out of their way to belittle their opponents than give a HBCU props




LOL....go with that genius....

[Twentysix]

Now you are getting somewhere. This whole board is basically a circle jerk of (PWI) FCS fans lying to themselves about the relevancy of their beloved playoffs and FCS title.

I don't know what hurts them more: the fact that you are telling the truth (that most of us know) about the FCS playoffs or that a HBCU bowl game is more relevant than their precious playoffs and it burns them to their soul to admit it like they hate to admit that A&T right now is arguably the best team in FCS football. They would rather go out of their way to belittle their opponents than give a HBCU props

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[ASU33]

We already determined it’s not a hbcu championship since not all hbcus are invited; merely a championship between two poor to ****ty conferences.

It's the HBCU National title. What board did you sit on to be apart of the "we" that made this decision?

[Twentysix]

It's the HBCU National title. What board did you sit on to be apart of the "we" that made this decision?

Clearly the board that you are currently on.... AGS.

[ASU33]

Clearly the board that you are currently on.... AGS.

Didn't know AGS awarded a title. When did that start?

[cx500d]

It's the HBCU National title. What board did you sit on to be apart of the "we" that made this decision?
On another thread it was already admitted that the celebration bowl is merely a championship between meac and swac since not all hbcu’s can compete for this mythical championship since there are some that aren’t members of the swac or meac.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?211017-The-winner-of-the-Celebration-Bowl-should-automatically-earn-a-seed-in-the-FCS-Playof&p=2662453&viewfull=1#post2662453

[Professor]

How do you build a brand when your rep is based on playing weak teams and playing the same teams in a supposed bowl game most have never heard about?

What you fail to realize is no one cares about quality of wins. All they care about is winning. Our ESPN appearances have helped put A&T on a national athletic stage. Which has led us to be the largest HBCU in America. We had 15k applications for the Fall class of 2017 and 2018. Some of it is coming from winning football games. It's ok if you don't believe or don't see it. But we are growing and its a beautiful thing

[Professor]

We already determined it’s not a hbcu championship since not all hbcus are invited; merely a championship between two poor to ****ty conferences.

And those poor s****y conferences have a higher tv rating every year. One game is on ABC and another is on ESPN2. Lol.

[Panther88]

And those poor s****y conferences have a higher tv rating every year. One game is on ABC and another is on ESPN2. Lol.

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[WileECoyote06]

On another thread it was already admitted that the celebration bowl is merely a championship between meac and swac since not all hbcu’s can compete for this mythical championship since there are some that aren’t members of the swac or meac.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?211017-The-winner-of-the-Celebration-Bowl-should-automatically-earn-a-seed-in-the-FCS-Playof&p=2662453&viewfull=1#post2662453

The BCF National Championship is awarded by multiple groups. TSU can still win.

From the same thread:

Probably wouldn't even take that. Tennessee State just needs to win the OVC and win maybe a playoff game and they'll be awarded the championship. That's what happened in 2013. Ironically, they lost earlier that year to BCU. So there wasn't a consensus. . . among the nine agencies.


Well there are Multiple selectors bestowing that title. The winner of the Celebration Bowl has been awarded the de facto BCF title, but even the D2 HBCUs are eligible for some of the awards. They usually have a higher standard to meet, for example WSSU playing in the national championship a few years ago.

[Bisonoline]

What you fail to realize is no one cares about quality of wins. All they care about is winning. Our ESPN appearances have helped put A&T on a national athletic stage. Which has led us to be the largest HBCU in America. We had 15k applications for the Fall class of 2017 and 2018. Some of it is coming from winning football games. It's ok if you don't believe or don't see it. But we are growing and its a beautiful thing

Ok I get it. Its about broad appeal. We were having two different conversations..

[cx500d]

The BCF National Championship is awarded by multiple groups. TSU can still win.

From the same thread:

But ASU33 said the "celebration" bowl is the HBCU national championship

[Redbird 4th & short]

What you fail to realize is no one cares about quality of wins. All they care about is winning. Our ESPN appearances have helped put A&T on a national athletic stage. Which has led us to be the largest HBCU in America. We had 15k applications for the Fall class of 2017 and 2018. Some of it is coming from winning football games. It's ok if you don't believe or don't see it. But we are growing and its a beautiful thing

the bolded statement (i.e. the concession) officially ends this debate that never should have been .. case closed.

[Derby City Duke]

Why is this thread still alive????

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[WileECoyote06]

But ASU33 said the "celebration" bowl is the HBCU national championship

It's been the defacto championship over the past three years because the #1 and #2 ranked teams have met in all three years.