Best Rivalry in FCS currently

[CappinHard]

According to this article, it's SDSU vs. NDSU. Thoughts?

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/8/22/17598682/south-dakota-state-ndsu-rivalry-dakota-marker-trophy

[Laker]

Someone mentioned it in the article- there isn't enough hatred YET. UND-NDSU was the biggest rivalry in D2, not just in football but also in women's basketball. The winner often won the national title. I've been to USD-SDSU games- dead jackrabbits got thrown onto the court (the animal, not the fans) and someone hung a coyote (again, the animal). Until SDSU wins a national title and the Bison start to hate them- then it will be a big rivalry.

Trying to think in the FCS world there might be a bigger one- that would probably depend on the region that you live in. Montana-Montana State?

[CappinHard]

Someone mentioned it in the article- there isn't enough hatred YET. UND-NDSU was the biggest rivalry in D2, not just in football but also in women's basketball. The winner often won the national title. I've been to USD-SDSU games- dead jackrabbits got thrown onto the court (the animal, not the fans) and someone hung a coyote (again, the animal). Until SDSU wins a national title and the Bison start to hate them- then it will be a big rivalry.

Trying to think in the FCS world there might be a bigger one- that would probably depend on the region that you live in. Montana-Montana State?

I agree that in the past UND-NDSU and SDSU-USD were probably bigger/better rivalries, but I'm talking currently, and only in FCS football.

[VandalBasher]

The Idaho-Montana rivalry might need a few years to revive. But, it is going to be fun.

[WileECoyote06]

Someone mentioned it in the article- there isn't enough hatred YET. UND-NDSU was the biggest rivalry in D2, not just in football but also in women's basketball. The winner often won the national title. I've been to USD-SDSU games- dead jackrabbits got thrown onto the court (the animal, not the fans) and someone hung a coyote (again, the animal). Until SDSU wins a national title and the Bison start to hate them- then it will be a big rivalry.

Trying to think in the FCS world there might be a bigger one- that would probably depend on the region that you live in. Montana-Montana State?

The writer seems to frame it in terms of current national relevance; which if that's the main criteria, then yes. But in my opinion, there are quite a few other rivalries ahead of it.

[FUBeAR]

Furman vs. The Citadel

The animus runs long & deep. And, as we have been informed many times here, “The Citadel sux!” (it went something like that, IiR.)

How many other FCS rivalries have been chronicled in multiple best-selling books?

https://books.google.com/books?id=YuCyFqLYjyoC&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=furman+%E2%80%9Cmy+losing+season%E2%80%9D+horse +blind&source=bl&ots=1mrRnBBOCw&sig=8-SQr4zdOjkMxSffN14NrPSz4c8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJj8iI84PdAhUGZKwKHSpcCnAQ6AEwAHoECAIQA Q#v=onepage&q=furman%20%E2%80%9Cmy%20losing%20season%E2%80%9D% 20horse%20blind&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=YuCyFqLYjyoC&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=furman+%E2%80%9Cmy+losing+season%E2%80%9D+horse +blind&source=bl&ots=1mrRnBBOCw&sig=8-SQr4zdOjkMxSffN14NrPSz4c8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJj8iI84PdAhUGZKwKHSpcCnAQ6AEwAHoECAIQA Q#v=onepage&q=furman%20%E2%80%9Cmy%20losing%20season%E2%80%9D% 20horse%20blind&f=false)

[Professor Chaos]

Tough to say which is best... depends on your criteria (and your bias). For the under consideration list in addition to NDSU/SDSU and Montana/Montana St I'd say Harvard/Yale, Lehigh/Lafayette, and Grambling/Southern should be in there.

[UpstateBison]

Furman vs. The Citadel

The animus runs long & deep. And, as we have been informed many times here, “The Citadel sux!” (it went something like that, IiR.)

How many other FCS rivalries have been chronicled in multiple best-selling books?

https://books.google.com/books?id=YuCyFqLYjyoC&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=furman+%E2%80%9Cmy+losing+season%E2%80%9D+horse +blind&source=bl&ots=1mrRnBBOCw&sig=8-SQr4zdOjkMxSffN14NrPSz4c8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJj8iI84PdAhUGZKwKHSpcCnAQ6AEwAHoECAIQA Q#v=onepage&q=furman%20%E2%80%9Cmy%20losing%20season%E2%80%9D% 20horse%20blind&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=YuCyFqLYjyoC&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=furman+%E2%80%9Cmy+losing+season%E2%80%9D+horse +blind&source=bl&ots=1mrRnBBOCw&sig=8-SQr4zdOjkMxSffN14NrPSz4c8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJj8iI84PdAhUGZKwKHSpcCnAQ6AEwAHoECAIQA Q#v=onepage&q=furman%20%E2%80%9Cmy%20losing%20season%E2%80%9D% 20horse%20blind&f=false)

I agree with you but it is not currently relevant on a national scale. I think Griz vs Bobcats is best rivalry in FCS.


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[FUBeAR]

I agree with you but it is not currently relevant on a national scale. I think Griz vs Bobcats is best rivalry in FCS.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkFurman is ranked ahead of Montana in the 3 Rankings posted by the NCAA. Neither Montana State nor The Citadel are ranked, except in the SRS, which hasn’t updated since the end of last year’s regular season. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/simple-ratings-system - Montana State was #42 & The Citadel was #56 at that time.

How do you see one of those rivalries (FU vs CIT) as “not currently relevant on a national scale” and yet assert that the other one (Mont. vs MontSt) is?

[DFW HOYA]

Next question, please.

http://yalemaryland.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/travel_aerial_2005H-Y_800-e1476153714753-470x244.jpg

[cx500d]

Furman vs. The Citadel

The animus runs long & deep. And, as we have been informed many times here, “The Citadel sux!” (it went something like that, IiR.)

How many other FCS rivalries have been chronicled in multiple best-selling books?

https://books.google.com/books?id=YuCyFqLYjyoC&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=furman+%E2%80%9Cmy+losing+season%E2%80%9D+horse +blind&source=bl&ots=1mrRnBBOCw&sig=8-SQr4zdOjkMxSffN14NrPSz4c8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJj8iI84PdAhUGZKwKHSpcCnAQ6AEwAHoECAIQA Q#v=onepage&q=furman%20%E2%80%9Cmy%20losing%20season%E2%80%9D% 20horse%20blind&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=YuCyFqLYjyoC&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=furman+%E2%80%9Cmy+losing+season%E2%80%9D+horse +blind&source=bl&ots=1mrRnBBOCw&sig=8-SQr4zdOjkMxSffN14NrPSz4c8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJj8iI84PdAhUGZKwKHSpcCnAQ6AEwAHoECAIQA Q#v=onepage&q=furman%20%E2%80%9Cmy%20losing%20season%E2%80%9D% 20horse%20blind&f=false)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im2UUz_tEIw

[Laker]

Next question, please.

http://yalemaryland.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/travel_aerial_2005H-Y_800-e1476153714753-470x244.jpg

When do they decide to be eligible for the FCS playoffs?????

[cx500d]

Next question, please.

http://yalemaryland.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/travel_aerial_2005H-Y_800-e1476153714753-470x244.jpg

Not real FCS....They are just FS

[caribbeanhen]

Sam Houston State vs the Semi Finals

[cx500d]

Sam Houston State vs the Semi Finals


A rivalry implies a hard fought game, usually semi close score.

[FUBeAR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im2UUz_tEIw

Cool Video bro.

When I can spare an hour & a half, I’ll watch it along with the other 16,000 (3,200 / year) people that have viewed it on YouTube. Pat Conroy sold over 20 million books.

I did watch the Intro though & the announcer mentioned “Division 2 Football Rivalry” several times. I thought this thread was about current FCS Rivalries.

And the post you quoted was about the question of ‘current national relevance’ of Montana vs. Montana State vis a vis Furman vs. The Citadel. How is NDSU vs UND relevant to that question?


On another note...that Harvard vs Yale visual is impressive, but have Harvard students ever stolen Yale’s Bulldog & committed unspeakable acts of animal cruelty upon it as The Citadel’s Cadets have done with Furman’s horse?

[cx500d]

Cool Video bro.

When I can spare an hour & a half, I’ll watch it along with the other 16,000 people that have viewed it on YouTube. Pat Conroy sold over 20 million books.

I did watch the Intro though & the announcer mentioned “Division 2 Football Rivalry” several times. I thought this thread was about current FCS Rivalries.

And the post you quoted was about the question of ‘current national relevance’ of Montana vs. Montana State vis a vis Furman vs. The Citadel. How is NDSU vs UND relevant to that question?


On another note...that Harvard vs Yale visual is impressive, but have Harvard students ever stolen Yale’s Bulldog & committed unspeakable acts of animal cruelty upon it as The Citadel’s Cadets have done with Furman’s horse?


BTW, Bro, Furman Sucks

[KPSUL]

Next question, please.

http://yalemaryland.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/travel_aerial_2005H-Y_800-e1476153714753-470x244.jpg

Circa 1938.

[VandalBasher]

Ok, Big Sky Team vs. University of San Diego.

[cx500d]

Circa 1938.


1938? You sure thats not one of them colorized Nuremburg rallies? Looks similar to this:


https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/valkyriemovie/images/7/7f/Rally.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090220222938

https://diewahrheitistwieeingewitter.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/hj-2.jpg

[FUBeAR]

BTW, Bro, Furman Sucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYena6gRe-U

[cx500d]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYena6gRe-U


The way we were? Look at the last 6/7?

[FUBeAR]

Ok, Big Sky Team vs. University of San Diego.


A rivalry implies a hard fought game, usually semi close score.

*see prior post

[UpstateBison]

Furman is ranked ahead of Montana in the 3 Rankings posted by the NCAA. Neither Montana State nor The Citadel are ranked, except in the SRS, which hasn’t updated since the end of last year’s regular season. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/simple-ratings-system - Montana State was #42 & The Citadel was #56 at that time.

How do you see one of those rivalries (FU vs CIT) as “not currently relevant on a national scale” and yet assert that the other one (Mont. vs MontSt) is?

Ok. Neither one is relevant. I think Furman could be relevant this year. Mercer and MSU are not. You are fun but delusional.


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[cx500d]

*see prior post

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to FUBeAR again.

[PaladinFan]

At least in the SoCon, realignment has cost the league some pretty big rivalries.

The GSU/Furman series was epic for decades. How many bitter conference rivals played each other for a national title twice?

As much as I loved to hate them, I miss having the Eagles around. When they were good, Paulson Stadium was as intimidating an atmosphere as there was at this level. It wasn't just the size of their crowds, which were big for this level, but their intensity. They were on you for four quarters and an hour before kickoff.

Heck, they traveled so well they'd often make your own stadium essentially a second version of their home park. I really wish I could have seen GSU fans travel to Mercer for a game. That'd have been fun.

Of course, that made winning so much more sweeter.

[FUBeAR]

The way we were? Look at the last 6/7?Ahhhh....you missed it. I was referencing misty water-colored memories of citdog

[FUBeAR]

Ok. Neither one is relevant. I think Furman could be relevant this year. Mercer and MSU are not. You are fun but delusional.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMercer?

Who’s delusional?

[Redbird 4th & short]

guessing ISUr vs EIU is somewhere in top 20 .. called Mid-America Classic, approaching 110 games, first was 1901, bitter rivalry due to proximity to each other. Games get very chippy, referees struggle, fans go nuts, games are usually ugly hard fought, no matter who might be better. With exception of them smoking us in 2013 with Garapolo and us smoking them last year, every game has been ugly for both teams.

Even 2014 Natty run year, we played pretty bad on offense, and won by 18 only because of defense and 3 picks.

In 2012, we were pretty heavily favored going into game .. 3rd of year. We were leading nation in least penalties per game thru week 2 .. we had 2 total penalties. That game, our guys didn't handle chippiness well as they were coming after us hard .. refs had a very bad day, and flagged us close to 30 times, 22 of which were enforced for 178 yards .. we were a little stupid taking the bait, but it was worst officiated football game I've ever seen. Spacks teams are nearly always one of the least penalized teams. Game went into 2OT, we won by final score was 55-52. Spack sent tape to MVFC and those officials were never allowed back .. partly for their safety, partly because they were bad .. fans stopped cheering the exciting 2OT walkoff win to boo the refs mercilessly after game as they ran very fast off field .. added to rivalry.

[cx500d]

Ahhhh....you missed it. I was referencing misty water-colored memories of citdog


Poor citdog...whatever happened to him? Did he join that expedition with other former confederate re-enactors to try and take over one of those banana republics?

[FUBeAR]

They were on you for four quarters and an hour before kickoff.

A GaSou Coed vomited ON me in the concession line. The smell was with me all 4 quarters & an hour after the final whistle.

(True story; not a joke)

[FUBeAR]

Poor citdog...whatever happened to him? Did he join that expedition with other former confederate re-enactors to try and take over one of those banana republics?I heard he deserted at the Battle of Charlottesville and hasn’t been seen since.

[cx500d]

guessing ISUr vs EIU is somewhere in top 20 .. called Mid-America Classic, ...

I thought to be called a "Classic" it had to be between two HBCU's...

[UpstateBison]

Mercer?

Who’s delusional?

My apologies as you think Mercer is relevant in the SoCon this year.


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[FUBeAR]

My apologies as you think Mercer is relevant in the SoCon this year.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkFocus. Rivalries is the topic of this thread.

Are you suffering after-effects of y’all’s meet-up in GreenVegas?

[DFW HOYA]

Circa 1938.

OK, how about 2018? Not a lot of games in Big Sky would sell out Fenway Park.
https://tickets.gocrimson.com/content/Images/features/Harvard-Yale-2018-Price-Map.png

[Laker]

Poor citdog...whatever happened to him? Did he join that expedition with other former confederate re-enactors to try and take over one of those banana republics?

The last that I heard he was sailing off with William Walker.

[cx500d]

OK, how about 2018? Not a lot of games in Big Sky would sell out Fenway Park.
https://tickets.gocrimson.com/content/Images/features/Harvard-Yale-2018-Price-Map.png

How useful...My guess is the game will be about as interesting as a Red Sox - Baltimore baseball game.

[cx500d]

The last that I heard he was sailing off with William Walker.


Either that, or he's defending the mountain redoubt.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eHVJlrUHHN8/U9YGFszwQEI/AAAAAAAAAH4/TKJfe52odA4/s1600/OHMSS-0-49-56.jpg

[Son of Eli]

Of course Yale-Harvard. Question should be what is the 2nd biggest FCS rivalry? That would be Yale-Princeton. As recent as 2006 that game drew over 43,000 in New Haven.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MSsprIIHXT0


The history of the rivalry is way too rich for me to capture in a post. Fortunately the rivalry has its own Wikipedia page dedicated to it. The history of this rivalry is the history of college football

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princeton–Yale_football_rivalry

[cx500d]

Of course Yale-Harvard. Question should be what is the 2nd biggest FCS rivalry? That would be Yale-Princeton. As recent as 2006 that game drew over 43,000 in New Haven.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MSsprIIHXT0


The history of of the rivalry is way too rich for me to capture in a post. Fortunately yhe rivalry has its own Wikipedia page dedicated to it. The history of this rivalry is the history of college football

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princeton–Yale_football_rivalry


These remind me of the Gopher football fan site titled the "7 National Titles Football Forum"

[Laker]

Either that, or he's defending the mountain redoubt.

I expect to see George Lazenby as James Bond jumping out to escape Telly Savalas as Ernst Stavro Blofeld by skiiing down the mountain.

[Laker]

These remind me of the Gopher football fan site titled the "7 National Titles Football Forum"

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cx500d again.

[ASU33]

Best Rivalry is something that's so subjective. Most folks will stick to the regional rivalries that they're accustomed to in threads like this.

[Son of Eli]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g17Qa4IkThU

[cx500d]

I expect to see George Lazenby as James Bond jumping out to escape Telly Savalas as Ernst Stavro Blofeld by skiiing down the mountain.

Although widely panned, one of my favorite bond films.

[Laker]

Best Rivalry is something that's so subjective. Most folks will stick to the regional rivalries that they're accustomed to in threads like this.

To me, Alabama-Auburn is the top rivalry in FBS football. And I live in Minnesota!

[ASU33]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g17Qa4IkThU

How's ticket sales going for this one?

[Son of Eli]

How's ticket sales going for this one?


Sold out in four days back in April.

[Southern Bison]

Although widely panned, one of my favorite bond films.Lazenby sucked as a James Bond!

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[DFW HOYA]

One doesn't have to be from the Brahmin to recognize Harvard-Yale as the event that it is. It doesn't detract from UND-NDSU, Lafayette-Lehigh, the Military Classic of the South. etc., etc. to acknowledge its primacy as a rivalry that defines the sport.

These teams have played since 1875, when the Dakotas were still territories and The Citadel remained closed by Union occupation. In its tenure, this series has been played by fifty members of the College Football Hall of Fame and over 300 All-Americans. The size of a football field was determined by the dimensions of Harvard Stadium, while the Yale Bowl began the boom in college football facilities. It's the only I-AA rivalry that consistently gets national attention given its tenure and attendance. Outside the HBCU's, there are no other rivalries in this subdivision that draw a minimum of 30,000 and as many as 65,000 every single year.

Like Army-Navy, it is a rivalry that matters, whether the teams are 9-1 or 1-9. What other rivalry can conjure the epic quote from Hall of Fame coach Tad Jones, who told his Yale team "Gentlemen, you are now going out to play football against Harvard. Never again in your whole life will you do anything so important."

[Reign of Terrier]

What's great about FCS is that the kind of schools that play at this level are more diverse than FBS, so it's hard to say which rivalry is the "best."

The bigger state schools/programs up north have a good claim, but so do the traditions of the Ivys and the HBCUs.

Even though they'll never ever admit to it, the Socon has a nice little three-way rivalry with the South Carolina teams in Wofford, Furman, and the Citadel.

Furman and Citadel people will hate being put in the same sentence as Wofford, but the series for Wofford v. Citadel and Wofford v. Furman is closer than the Furman v. Citadel rivalry. The stakes are elevated by the fact that Wofford beat the Citadel like 16 times in a row. I could list more stats, but you get the point.

Wofford and Furman are culturally very similar and the Citadel hates everybody.

[Go...gate]

Harvard - Yale

Lafayette - Lehigh

Villanova - Delaware

[cx500d]

These teams have played since 1875, when the Dakotas were still territories and The Citadel remained closed by Union occupation.


Some would say The Citadel is still under Union occupation...

[JacksFan40]

Someone mentioned it in the article- there isn't enough hatred YET. UND-NDSU was the biggest rivalry in D2, not just in football but also in women's basketball. The winner often won the national title. I've been to USD-SDSU games- dead jackrabbits got thrown onto the court (the animal, not the fans) and someone hung a coyote (again, the animal). Until SDSU wins a national title and the Bison start to hate them- then it will be a big rivalry.

Trying to think in the FCS world there might be a bigger one- that would probably depend on the region that you live in. Montana-Montana State?
In the D2 days USD and SDSU haaaated each other far more than now. Those games were always fun to go to. Packing the old wood bleachers in Frost Arena was awesome.

[Laker]

In the D2 days USD and SDSU haaaated each other far more than now. Those games were always fun to go to. Packing the old wood bleachers in Frost Arena was awesome.

I sat up top on those bleachers that aren't there anymore on the east end of Frost for the Men's/Women's doubleheader. Got there before the women's game and the crowd was all ready to go.

[katss07]

Great thing about the FCS is there are a tons of schools spread out. It all depends on the region, mainly because rivalry games don’t get the same publicity as they might at the FBS ones. For example, the BOTPW is really hyped up by us SHSU people. And while that is, IMO, a great FCS rivalry, I recognize the history of Yale/Harvard, Montana/Montana St, Lehigh/Lafayette, NDSU/SDSU, ect. Hard to say which rivalry is the best, but I look forward to the UNI/NDSU game every year. Just my .2

[ST_Lawson]

OK, how about 2018? Not a lot of games in Big Sky would sell out Fenway Park.

Washington-Grizzly holds 25k people and the last Brawl of the Wild there had just over 26k fans, in a year where both teams were roughly .500 and neither were making the playoffs.
Fenway holds just under 38k people. If you stuck Fenway Park in Missoula and made a big event out of having the rivalry game played at a historic stadium when both teams are doing fairly well...I bet that the Grizzly and Bobcat fans would make it standing room only very quickly.
It's not a Big Sky game, but we might get an idea of what NDSU fans would do to a park the size of Fenway when they play Butler at Target Field (stadium nearly exactly the same capacity as Fenway) over 200 miles away from Fargo.

You're correct that not a lot of Big Sky games would sell out Fenway Park, but I doubt many Ivy League games would do it either. Harvard-Yale is not your average Ivy League game...it's The Game. And Montana-Montana State isn't an average Big Sky game...it's the Brawl of the Wild.

I think for "Best Rivalry", you have to define what "best" means.

Is it the rivalry that has the most historical importance nationally?...probably The Game (it's the only one that I'm aware of that could legitimately have determined a champion of all of college football, up until around the 1930s).

Is it the rivalry that would draw the most people if given an unlimited stadium size?...I don't have any idea on that one. Yale, Montana, NDSU are all in the top 10 for FCS attendance with Montana and NDSU often selling out their stadium (how many would they bring if they had stadiums the size of the Yale Bowl?

Is it the one that has the most impact on our level of football's national championship competition...right now, that's gotta be SDSU and NDSU.

Is it the most "heated" rivalry?...idk...maybe El Cid-Furman takes that...maybe it's someone else (I don't know enough about everyone's rivalry history to know that).

It's too subjective of a title to definitively say who has the "best rivalry".

[PAllen]

All rivalries with 150+ games played please stand up.

/close thread

[CappinHard]

It's too subjective of a title to definitively say who has the "best rivalry".

https://media2.giphy.com/media/TL6poLzwbHuF2/giphy.gif

You're right, it's definitely up for interpretation. However, national implication has to factor heavily when you're talking about best rivalry in the FCS currently. I mean there are great rivalries all over the place, especially regionally like someone said, hell even high schools too. How many people care who wins between Harvard and Yale? Not many, because it doesn't have any real implications if you don't have a rooting interest. How many people cared when SDSU took down NDSU twice in the last two years? I'm guessing more than any other current rivalry. Maybe a better way to put it would be "Most important rivalry in the FCS currently"...?

[UNHWildcat18]

UNH-Maine

[jmu007]

For my money... over the past 15 years, JMU vs Richmond has been a great rivalry game. I'll nominate JMU vs Richmond. In-state schools separated by about a 2 hour drive, overlapping recruiting base, overlapping alumni bases, close games, high stakes game / playoff implications. Checks all the boxes in my opinion.

[Daytripper]

I sure wish Houston Baptist and Incarnate Word would become a thing.... Call it the Holy War.

[TheValleyRaider]

You're right, it's definitely up for interpretation. However, national implication has to factor heavily when you're talking about best rivalry in the FCS currently. I mean there are great rivalries all over the place, especially regionally like someone said, hell even high schools too. How many people care who wins between Harvard and Yale? Not many, because it doesn't have any real implications if you don't have a rooting interest. How many people cared when SDSU took down NDSU twice in the last two years? I'm guessing more than any other current rivalry. Maybe a better way to put it would be "Most important rivalry in the FCS currently"...?

But why should we? Even with those losses, NDSU finished each year with a top-2 seed, and won one national title. Doesn't seem like a game that carries much weight to me

[Panthers1995]

UNI/NDSU? Games have been heated ever since NDSU made the move up.

[CappinHard]

But why should we? Even with those losses, NDSU finished each year with a top-2 seed, and won one national title. Doesn't seem like a game that carries much weight to me

Easy to say that now, after the fact.

[Anthony215]

FAMU/Bethune Cookman
Delaware/Villanova
Norfolk State/Hampton (Not sure if they'll continue the Battle of the Bay rivalry next year)
Hampton/Howard (Battle of the HU's)
Grambling/Southern (Best Game on Thanksgiving Weekend)
Lehigh/Lafayette

[Grizalltheway]

I sure wish Houston Baptist and Incarnate Word would become a thing.... Call it the Holy War.
Already taken.

[cx500d]

But why should we? Even with those losses, NDSU finished each year with a top-2 seed, and won one national title. Doesn't seem like a game that carries much weight to me


It carries weight - it wakes NDSU up and gets them back on track.

[Thumper 76]

But why should we? Even with those losses, NDSU finished each year with a top-2 seed, and won one national title. Doesn't seem like a game that carries much weight to me

What was the reaction after he game? I’m pretty sure each time has had heavy poll implications.


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[yorkcountyUNHfan]

I can’t wait until UNH plays UNI again

[ngineer]

OK, how about 2018? Not a lot of games in Big Sky would sell out Fenway Park.
https://tickets.gocrimson.com/content/Images/features/Harvard-Yale-2018-Price-Map.png

How about selling out Yankee Stadium? Lehigh-Lafayette #154 will be played this year and the intensity is no less than any of the P-5 "rivalries". I chuckle over some of these 'rivalries' that have been around for a few decades...

[ngineer]

All rivalries with 150+ games played please stand up.

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While Harvard-Yale is called "The Game", Lehigh-Lafayette is called "The Rivalry". It transcends football and is felt in all sports competitions between the two schools...only 15 miles from each other. We even compete in raising money for our respective schools. Walking into a business meeting and I find one of the other attendees is a Lafayette grad, the dynamic changes immediately.

[Roamingriz]

Ok, Big Sky Team vs. University of San Diego.

Mmm don't jump on the bullfighter's wagon just yet against the big sky..... a popular joke around here.....when you're talking mustangs and lumberjacks that may be one thing, but not so long ago they were pasted in the playoff snow in the Big Sky.....

[Ivytalk]

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While Harvard-Yale is called "The Game", Lehigh-Lafayette is called "The Rivalry". It transcends football and is felt in all sports competitions between the two schools...only 15 miles from each other. We even compete in raising money for our respective schools. Walking into a business meeting and I find one of the other attendees is a Lafayette grad, the dynamic changes immediately.
That may be true. I can’t say a meeting dynamic ever changed once I learned that a Yale grad was in the room. However, a Yale grad will usually bring up his alma mater within 5 minutes of meeting you. Harvard, not so much.

[caribbeanhen]

Delaware State vs Wesley College, Capitol battle

[uni88]

That may be true. I can’t say a meeting dynamic ever changed once I learned that a Yale grad was in the room. However, a Yale grad will usually bring up his alma mater within 5 minutes of meeting you. Harvard, not so much.What about Harvard undergrad & Yale law?

[Thumper 76]

For nationally relevant rivalry it’s the Dakota Marker pretty much hands down in the last 5 years or so. As for longevity, the Dakota schools may not have played 150 times, but they’ve been playing (at least from an SDSU perspective) as long as South Dakota has been a state. South Dakota became a state in 1889, SDSU and USeD faced off for the first time in 1889, and vs ndsu in 1903. Considering the distance they had to travel back then and how they would have travelled, that’s pretty wild.

As for how the fans view the rivalry’s, I feel the xDSUs largely want to beat the other xDSU, while they don’t want to be embarrassed by losing to the UxD. From a hatred standpoint, it’s been growing exponentially in the last four to five years. You’ll probably see it fully blossom if SDSU knocks ndsu out of the playoffs some year.


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[ncspiderfan]

For my money... over the past 15 years, JMU vs Richmond has been a great rivalry game. I'll nominate JMU vs Richmond. In-state schools separated by about a 2 hour drive, overlapping recruiting base, overlapping alumni bases, close games, high stakes game / playoff implications. Checks all the boxes in my opinion.

Not much I can add excepting they are usually hard fought even if one of the two is having a down year the other knows what to expect.

Even with UR having the oldest rivalry in the south with W&M, this one in the last several years has gained importance.

[Ivytalk]

What about Harvard undergrad & Yale law?
That’s walking on the wild side.xnodx Actually, Yale Law is smaller than Harvard Law and, at least in my day, it was tougher to get into. But I gladly foreswore the “opportunity” to spend 3 years in New Haven.

[VandalBasher]

Is it a rivalry if you root for your rival? Because Idaho and Montana have had such a long history, this is our main, if only, rival in the Big Sky. It doesn't matter if neither team is playing for the conference championship, this is the game that matters in the BSC. And, when we aren't playing, I will be rooting for the Griz. See ya in the Dome November 10th.

http://digital.lib.uidaho.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=football&CISOPTR=77&action=2&DMSCALE=30&DMWIDTH=335&DMHEIGHT=472&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&DMROTATE=0http://digital.lib.uidaho.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=football&CISOPTR=91&action=2&DMSCALE=30&DMWIDTH=344&DMHEIGHT=469&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&DMROTATE=0http://digital.lib.uidaho.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=football&CISOPTR=78&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=1800&DMHEIGHT=1700&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&DMROTATE=0&_ga=2.144964407.287757412.1535230460-309032850.1533159260

[DFW HOYA]

While Harvard-Yale is called "The Game", Lehigh-Lafayette is called "The Rivalry". It transcends football and is felt in all sports competitions between the two schools...only 15 miles from each other.

Still the only authorized rivalry at Patriot League Headquarters.

("Hey, what about the 81st meeting between Holy Cross and Colgate next week?" "We don't care.")

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Harvard - Yale

Grambling - Southern

Montana - Montana State



Best FCS rivalries IMO.

When UND comes into the Valley in '20......NDSU/UND will be the most hated in the FCS, hands down.

[Twentysix]

That’s walking on the wild side.xnodx Actually, Yale Law is smaller than Harvard Law and, at least in my day, it was tougher to get into. But I gladly foreswore the “opportunity” to spend 3 years in New Haven.Oof New Haven is the worst.

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[Twentysix]

Is it a rivalry if you root for your rival? Because Idaho and Montana have had such a long history, this is our main, if only, rival in the Big Sky. It doesn't matter if neither team is playing for the conference championship, this is the game that matters in the BSC. And, when we aren't playing, I will be rooting for the Griz. See ya in the Dome November 10th.

http://digital.lib.uidaho.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=football&CISOPTR=77&action=2&DMSCALE=30&DMWIDTH=335&DMHEIGHT=472&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&DMROTATE=0http://digital.lib.uidaho.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=football&CISOPTR=91&action=2&DMSCALE=30&DMWIDTH=344&DMHEIGHT=469&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&DMROTATE=0http://digital.lib.uidaho.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=football&CISOPTR=78&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=1800&DMHEIGHT=1700&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&DMROTATE=0&_ga=2.144964407.287757412.1535230460-309032850.1533159260As it currently stands the Dakota marker is the same thing. We are rivals in head to head competition only. The majority of ndsu fans that I know personally root for sdsu over any other team when they aren't playing ndsu. I do not know if the same thing is true from the sdsu perspective but I bet it is.

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[Twentysix]

When your team wins a major accomplishment, lets say a national championship. Would your fans celebrate by chanting about how your rival sucks? If the answer is no you have never played a rival, ever, at the intensity of ndsu/und. I pray for all of your souls when we are in a conference together again. And yes that really happened and we hadn't even played each other in almost a decade at that point. As a rivalry it might not be ivy old, but it does span 3 separate centuries. The NDSU/UND rivalry is older than the state in which both institutions exist.

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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

When your team wins a major accomplishment, lets say a national championship. Would your fans celebrate by chanting about how your rival sucks? If the answer is no you have never played a rival, ever, at the intensity of ndsu/und. I pray for all of your souls when we are in a conference together again. And yes that really happened and we hadn't even played each other in almost a decade at that point. As a rivalry it might not be ivy old, but it does span 3 separate centuries. The NDSU/UND rivalry is older than the state in which both institutions exist.

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This here.

Plus with UND owning the head/head matchup, it makes it even more heated.

AGS will get real "colorful" once the '20 season comes around especially if more UND posters start posting here. If they start winning games in the series then they will infest this forum. NDSU has a lot of guys on here and if UND has a similar number then lookout....xeyebrowx:)

[mmiller_34]

Some of the best rivalries are currently in the north. That is why I want this conference:

Montana
Montana State
Idaho
Idaho State
Eastern Washington
Northern Colorado
North Dakota State
North Dakota
South Dakota State
South Dakota

[TheKingpin28]

Some of the best rivalries are currently in the north. That is why I want this conference:

Montana
Montana State
Idaho
Idaho State
Eastern Washington
Northern Colorado
North Dakota State
North Dakota
South Dakota State
South DakotaI get the northern Colorado thing for the NCC, but drop them and that is one hell of a 8 game conference schedule. If you were to add them, you would want to keep Denver for travel partner reasons as well as UNO to balance out the 12 team schedule for Olympic sport reasons.

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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Villanova-Temple is a seriously heated rivalry despite one program being FCS while the other is FBS. I promise, the "average" 'Nova fan looks forward to the Temple game far more than the annual meeting with Delaware.

Lehigh-Lafayette, Montana-Montana State and Harvard-Yale are are easily on the Mt Rushmore of FCS rivalries.

[mmiller_34]

I get the northern Colorado thing for the NCC, but drop them and that is one hell of a 8 game conference schedule. If you were to add them, you would want to keep Denver for travel partner reasons as well as UNO to balance out the 12 team schedule for Olympic sport reasons.

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No drop them. I had counted wrong and thought I needed one more. None of this only football conference or only basketball school crap. All sports conference.

[TheKingpin28]

No drop them. I had counted wrong and thought I needed one more. None of this only football conference or only basketball school crap. All sports conference.I'm for an all sports conference but 9 teams would suck for other sports. It would be nice but that is why I said adding 1 non football team for a 10 team conference would be fine but you'd have to ensure they had travel partners otherwise those flights will get spendy. So adding UNO alone would be fine as EWU, Idaho, ISUo, UM, Montana St would be the Rockies division and GFCC, NDSU, SDSU, USeD, and UNO would be the I29 division. The reason why is that they would only need 2 flights to go there and back and the bus trip to the other schools in that region would be easy.

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[FormerPokeCenter]

I sure wish Houston Baptist and Incarnate Word would become a thing.... Call it the Holy War.

Well, they'd need a trophy for that one.....How do you feel about The Reformation Cup?

[FormerPokeCenter]

McNeese/Northwestern used to be the ****. Now it's kinda lost it's appeal. Lamar is closest to McNeese geographically, but I wouldn't consider lowing McNeese's standards to the point where Lamar could be taken seriously as an actual rival.

Same with SELA.

I'm hoping for a Northwestern resurgence, but until that happens, my money's on UCA being the closest thing we've got to a rival....

[JSUSoutherner]

JSU vs Themselves

[FormerPokeCenter]

Clearly, Themselves was the better team last night ;)

[TheKingpin28]

Marty Scarano vs Red Bird 4th and Short

And/Or

Chattown vs Whoever he thinks is going to lose to Chatty

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[Shockerman]

Has to be a game that carries more than bragging rights and where a win defines your season. It also needs to be a significant enough game in the state or region where the schools are located that even non sports fans care about the score. IMO, only three games currently qualify,

Cat-Griz
Harvard-Yale
Grambling-Southern

[frozennorth]

Some of the best rivalries are currently in the north. That is why I want this conference:

Montana
Montana State
Idaho
Idaho State
Eastern Washington
Northern Colorado
North Dakota State
North Dakota
South Dakota State
South Dakota
You *want* this? Who gives a **** about any of these BSC schools?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Has to be a game that carries more than bragging rights and where a win defines your season. It also needs to be a significant enough game in the state or region where the schools are located that even non sports fans care about the score. IMO, only three games currently qualify,

Cat-Griz
Harvard-Yale
Grambling-Southern

Lehigh-Lafayette always gets mention by the national media outlets the day of the game. There's been books and documentaries about the rivalry. It's referenced, along with Harvard-Yale, when it comes to mid to late November college football rivalry games. The schools are located 15 miles apart in an area that's a hotbed for football. The 2014 game sold out Yankee Stadium. And most of all, it's college football's most played rivalry!!

https://www1.lehigh.edu/sites/default/files/media/141122_NYC-174.jpg

[cx500d]

Villanova-Temple is a seriously heated rivalry despite one program being FCS while the other is FBS. I promise, the "average" 'Nova fan looks forward to the Temple game far more than the annual meeting with Delaware.

Lehigh-Lafayette, Montana-Montana State and Harvard-Yale are are easily on the Mt Rushmore of FCS rivalries.

I guess beating down a team year after year does get a little boring


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[Grizalltheway]

You *want* this? Who gives a **** about any of these BSC schools?
I think he explained why. Although NoCo is a bit of a head scratcher.

[mmiller_34]

You *want* this? Who gives a **** about any of these BSC schools?

Considering that according to UNI, SIU, And ISU(r) fans they would rather watch their school play Bradley or Evansville in bowling than watch their team play football or basketball with a lowly Dakota school. So yah I want that.

[mmiller_34]

I think he explained why. Although NoCo is a bit of a head scratcher.

Not really another FCS school that would bridge the gap between Montana’s and Dakotas better than UNC

[Laker]

Not really another FCS school that would bridge the gap between Montana’s and Dakotas better than UNC

Yes. The fact that UNC was in the NCC and is now in the BSC underscores that point.

[katstrapper]

Great thing about the FCS is there are a tons of schools spread out. It all depends on the region, mainly because rivalry games don’t get the same publicity as they might at the FBS ones. For example, the BOTPW is really hyped up by us SHSU people. And while that is, IMO, a great FCS rivalry, I recognize the history of Yale/Harvard, Montana/Montana St, Lehigh/Lafayette, NDSU/SDSU, ect. Hard to say which rivalry is the best, but I look forward to the UNI/NDSU game every year. Just my .2

I would agree with this. SHSU/SFA rivalry will be 93 years old this year and probably is one of the top rivalries in the State of Texas, but on a national level I would say that Harvard/Yale, Lehigh/Lafayette, etc... would be at the top for me.

Me personally, I wish the SFA/SHSU game would go back to the campus sites. Some of the most memorable games in the BOTPW for me were the games at the respective school stadiums. I just feel the same rivalry hate with the games at NRG Stadium in Houston.