UTRGV FB feasibility study

[Laker]

College football and Texas- sounds good to me.

https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/premium/utrgv-football-feasibility-study-reveals-benefits-pitfalls/article_66307f29-b1f7-571d-bb39-8632add3ab8c.html

[Professor Chaos]

Another startup for the Southland or Sun Belt Conference!

[katss07]

They’ll be like UTSA and move up after 3 years.

[bonarae]

Texas is the antithesis of California when it comes to college football. xcoffeex

[lionsrking2]

Another startup for the Southland or Sun Belt Conference!

Let the Sun Belt have them.

[DFW HOYA]

Texas is the antithesis of California when it comes to college football. xcoffeex

Texas is the antithesis of California, period.

And selecting College Sports Solutions (the former Carr Sports Solutions) to do one of these studies is like hiring a venture capital firm to evaluate a future stock offering - they'll tell you to go big every time even when you shouldn't.

Carr Sports did the study at George Mason in 1999. Instead of methodically building up a I-AA program, they told Mason officials to go big. The plan failed by one vote in that school's BOT, and Mason hasn't come close to football again.

[TheKingpin28]

Texas is the antithesis of California, period.

And selecting College Sports Solutions (the former Carr Sports Solutions) to do one of these studies is like hiring a venture capital firm to evaluate a future stock offering - they'll tell you to go big every time even when you shouldn't.

Carr Sports did the study at George Mason in 1999. Instead of methodically building up a I-AA program, they told Mason officials to go big. The plan failed by one vote in that school's BOT, and Mason hasn't come close to football again.

Without getting into a poli thread, you clearly have never been to Austin, San Antonio, or The Valley...

[GreenGlasses]

Texas is the antithesis of California, period.

And selecting College Sports Solutions (the former Carr Sports Solutions) to do one of these studies is like hiring a venture capital firm to evaluate a future stock offering - they'll tell you to go big every time even when you shouldn't.

Carr Sports did the study at George Mason in 1999. Instead of methodically building up a I-AA program, they told Mason officials to go big. The plan failed by one vote in that school's BOT, and Mason hasn't come close to football again.

George Mason, just like Georgetown shouldn't have football. And if you consider what you put on the field football then I feel sorry for you. Georgetown is a pretty wealthy school yet you probably put less money into football than VMI does and it shows on the field.


Schools that don't fully fund all athletic programs should probably drop those they don't fund. Truth is that would get a lot of deadweight out of every NCAA tier then.

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

I'm such an NDSU fan that I got excited thinking this was a study about the FullBack position group.... because who the hell knew what that cluster **** of letters meant? Instant disappointment xbawlingx

[DFW HOYA]

George Mason, just like Georgetown shouldn't have football. And if you consider what you put on the field football then I feel sorry for you. Georgetown is a pretty wealthy school yet you probably put less money into football than VMI does and it shows on the field.

VMI has a healthy football budget for a state school: $3.4 million. It's not easy to recruit to a military school and they know that's their mission.

Georgetown isn't recruiting in VMI's circles but its problems are two: money and admissions.

Nearly 40 percent of Georgetown's athletic budget goes to one sport that has underperformed the last three seasons. That leaves 28 sports fighting for a $28 million budget. Give Georgetown $4 or $5 million in football and it would be a formidable program. But it isn't getting that.

The larger issue is admissions. As I've noted in assorted PL threads, a 14% admit rate, a 95% class rank and an average 1465 SAT make it very difficult to get kids admitted and those handful of kids with these numbers that actually play football are getting a full ride elsewhere. Football is the only sport at Georgetown which is governed by SAT ranges like this because they are in the Patriot League. If Georgetown could ever admit the same type of students as Duke, W&M, or the academies, watch out. But it isn't getting that.

Finally, George Mason would make a great CAA football school--lots of recruits, the popularity of football in Northern Virginia, and a booming enrollment would make a GMU a power sooner than later. But it isn't getting that, either.

[UAalum72]

Texas is the antithesis of California when it comes to college football. xcoffeex

Nah, Texas is the antithesis of Vermont


And selecting College Sports Solutions (the former Carr Sports Solutions) to do one of these studies is like hiring a venture capital firm to evaluate a future stock offering - they'll tell you to go big every time even when you shouldn't.Isn't it the purpose of these studies to confirm what management wants to hear?

[TheKingpin28]

Nah, Texas is the antithesis of Vermont

Isn't it the purpose of these studies to confirm what management wants to hear?

I so badly want to comment on this to have AltTru and LFN lose their ****, but this is not the board for it.

If they go FBS, they will fail and fail bigly. That said, if the Southland were to add them, going to 14 members and split into 2 divisions would be fine, but I get this feeling that by the time RGV gets football to where they believe they should be, the next split will occur and I could see them going into the 1AA route in a 3 tier system with the likes of powerhouse teams in the FCS and the poser G5 schools trying to play P5 football while losing money.

[JacksFan40]

Just another program who thinks being a 7-5 at best is better than FCS. They’ll fail like UTSA, Charlotte, Georgia Southern, Texas State, Coastal Carolina possibly, Georgia State etc.

Unless they end up like App State and become the goldfish in a pond of minnows that is the Sun Belt, and have solid success with regular bowl trips.

But they probably won’t establish much for a program anyways like UTSA. Texas has enough college teams as it is. They’ll be less cared about then the local high schools.

[NoVABison]

I could care less about these schools that are going to make a 3 year stop in the FCS on their way to "big time" football... no history, no culture of winning -- and they are heading to some crappy G5 conference to become the doormat, a team that is a freaking embarrassment... but fans and alums of the school comfort themselves in knowing they are being destroyed at the "highest level," in stadiums at 10% capacity on a Wednesday night -- but it is on ESPNU :)

LEARN HOW TO WIN... then consider a move up!

[JacksFan40]

I could care less about these schools that are going to make a 3 year stop in the FCS on their way to "big time" football... no history, no culture of winning -- and they are heading to some crappy G5 conference to become the doormat, a team that is a freaking embarrassment... but fans and alums of the school comfort themselves in knowing they are being destroyed at the "highest level," in stadiums at 10% capacity on a Wednesday night -- but it is on ESPNU :)

LEARN HOW TO WIN... then consider a move up!
What fans and alums? After 3 years they won’t have anything for football alumni, and if Georgia State filling 5% of the Georgia Dome is any indication, fans don’t like watching 2 win Sun Belt Teams.

[grayghost06]

Nah, Texas is the antithesis of Vermont

Isn't it the purpose of these studies to confirm what management wants to hear?

So true. Not worth the paper they are printed on.

[grayghost06]

VMI has a healthy football budget for a state school: $3.4 million. It's not easy to recruit to a military school and they know that's their mission.

Georgetown isn't recruiting in VMI's circles but its problems are two: money and admissions.

Nearly 40 percent of Georgetown's athletic budget goes to one sport that has underperformed the last three seasons. That leaves 28 sports fighting for a $28 million budget. Give Georgetown $4 or $5 million in football and it would be a formidable program. But it isn't getting that.

The larger issue is admissions. As I've noted in assorted PL threads, a 14% admit rate, a 95% class rank and an average 1465 SAT make it very difficult to get kids admitted and those handful of kids with these numbers that actually play football are getting a full ride elsewhere. Football is the only sport at Georgetown which is governed by SAT ranges like this because they are in the Patriot League. If Georgetown could ever admit the same type of students as Duke, W&M, or the academies, watch out. But it isn't getting that.

Finally, George Mason would make a great CAA football school--lots of recruits, the popularity of football in Northern Virginia, and a booming enrollment would make a GMU a power sooner than later. But it isn't getting that, either.

Oh what once was. My Dad graduated from Georgetown in the late 40s.

Schedule[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1940_Georgetown_Hoyas_football_tea m&action=edit&section=1)]

Date
Opponent#
Rank (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_NCAA_football_rankings)#
Site
Result


September 28
Roanoke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roanoke_Maroons_football)

Griffith Stadium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffith_Stadium) • Washington, DC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_DC)
W 66–0


October 4
at Temple (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Owls_football)

Temple Stadium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Stadium) • Philadelphia, PA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia,_PA)
W 14–0


October 12
Waynesburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waynesburg_Yellow_Jackets_football)

Griffith Stadium[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_Georgetown_Hoyas_football_team#cite_note-3) • Washington, DC
W 26–12


October 19
VPI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_VPI_Gobblers_football_team)

Griffith Stadium • Washington, DC
W 46–4


October 26
at NYU (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NYU_Violets_football)
No. 15
Yankee Stadium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee_Stadium_(1923)) • New York City, NY (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City,_NY)
W 26–0


November 2
at Syracuse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_Syracuse_Orangemen_football_team)
No. 10
Archbold Stadium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbold_Stadium) • Syracuse, NY (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse,_NY)
W 28–6


November 9
at Maryland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_Maryland_Terrapins_football_team)
No. 9
Old Byrd Stadium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Byrd_Stadium) • College Park, MD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Park,_MD)
W 41–0


November 16
at No. 8 Boston College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_Boston_College_Eagles_football_team)
No. 9
Fenway Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenway_Park) • Boston, MA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston,_MA)
L 18–19


November 23
vs. George Washington (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Colonials_football)
No. 9
Griffith Stadium • Washington, DC
W 8–0


January 1
vs. No. 11 Mississippi State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_Mississippi_State_Maroons_football_team)
No. 13
Burdine Stadium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Orange_Bowl) • Miami, FL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami,_FL) (Orange Bowl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941_Orange_Bowl))
L 7–14

[FormerPokeCenter]

They've been trying to do this for years.....I think Pan American had a football team decades ago, but ended up dropping it.

If they do this, they're just gonna further dilute the talent pool.

TAMU-Kingsville, the former Texas A&I has traditionally served that area well. If TAMU-Kingsville merges with TAMU-CC, things might get interesting in the SLC. That team could be a powerhouse...The TAMU-CC campus is kinda cool, being on an island and all....

[ST_Lawson]

TAMU-Kingsville, the former Texas A&I has traditionally served that area well. If TAMU-Kingsville merges with TAMU-CC, things might get interesting in the SLC. That team could be a powerhouse...The TAMU-CC campus is kinda cool, being on an island and all....

Doesn't look like they have a lot of room for an on-campus stadium though...unless it floats.

[FormerPokeCenter]

They could build on in the adjacent neighborhood, where their track and tennis courts are...or they could build one at Cabaniss Field, where their sports teams used to play....or...they could use Buccaneer Stadium, which has been in existence since the 30's. It would be a midrange FCS stadium....it's across town, but I don't think anybody would care..

Or, hell...they could even use Javelina Stadium in Kingsville since there's talk of a combined school...

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[TheRevSFA]

UTRGV only has to compete with A&I.

I think people forget just how far SOUTH that is. They would be a big fish in south texas recruiting pond.

[KPSUL]

Nah, Texas is the antithesis of Vermont



UNH's David Ball, FCS career record-holder for TD receptions until Kupp broke it in 2016, is from Vermont

[Catatonic]

People think of Texas as a hotbed of talent and it is, but FBS level athletes are not evenly spread around the state. Dave Campell’s Texas football broke down FBS signees last year by region. Of the 360 recruits last year:

134 came from the Metroplex
119 from Houston
27 from San Antonio
18 from Austin.
14 each from Central Texas and East Texas

the rest were we’re scattered around the state. The Rio Grande Valley where UT RGV is located produced 1 signee. Neighboring Laredo had none and the coastal bend area 3.

[McNeese75]

The RGV is NOT known as a hot bed of Football Talent. The state HS championships from the Valley are few and far between.

[Catatonic]

Which was my point.
The RGV is NOT known as a hot bed of Football Talent. The state HS championships from the Valley are few and far between.

[DFW HOYA]

People think of Texas as a hotbed of talent and it is, but FBS level athletes are not evenly spread around the state. Dave Campell’s Texas football broke down FBS signees last year by region. Of the 360 recruits last year:

134 came from the Metroplex
119 from Houston
27 from San Antonio
18 from Austin.
14 each from Central Texas and East Texas

the rest were we’re scattered around the state. The Rio Grande Valley where UT RGV is located produced 1 signee. Neighboring Laredo had none and the coastal bend area 3.

If you're good, it doesn't matter if you're in Dumas or Dime Box, the schools will find you. But less than half the major college recruits are ever going to play in-state, and a lot of out of town recruiters focus on Dallas and Houston because they can fly in, build relationships with a lot of schools, and get good talent. It's a stretch for an eastern school to fly down to Harlingen and work the US. 83 corridor for that diamond in the rough.

[Catatonic]

If you're good, it doesn't matter if you're in Dumas or Dime Box, the schools will find you. But less than half the major college recruits are ever going to play in-state, and a lot of out of town recruiters focus on Dallas and Houston because they can fly in, build relationships with a lot of schools, and get good talent. It's a stretch for an eastern school to fly down to Harlingen and work the US. 83 corridor for that diamond in the rough.

Year in, year out disproportionate numbers of those really good blue chip athletes are from 6 and 5 A schools along the I 35 corridor. The rest are scattered around the state, with the Rio Grande Valley at the bottom of the list.

[AmsterBison]

That UTRGV acronym is an abomination - maybe their genius marketing plan should start with that.

[dbackjon]

That UTRGV acronym is an abomination - maybe their genius marketing plan should start with that.


What is wrong with it?

[RootinFerDukes]

I could care less about these schools that are going to make a 3 year stop in the FCS on their way to "big time" football... no history, no culture of winning -- and they are heading to some crappy G5 conference to become the doormat, a team that is a freaking embarrassment... but fans and alums of the school comfort themselves in knowing they are being destroyed at the "highest level," in stadiums at 10% capacity on a Wednesday night -- but it is on ESPNU :)

LEARN HOW TO WIN... then consider a move up!

This made me literally LOL. Comfort themselves knowing they’re getting destroyed at the highest level.

[Outsider1]

A&M Kingsville has a very long history with football and merger with Corpus could actually be a good idea. That would be way better than UTRGV. Like Catatonic showed, the talent pool in that areas for FBS and FCS talent is low. The Javelinas have done well at the DII level. Still I think they would fair better than UTRGV. At least they have the fan base for it. I would forsee Javelina Stadium be the base for football since Corpus doesn't participate. Kingsville and Corpus are closer to better recruiting and already have been in the game. Of course, I don't have any idea if serious talks have ever even taken place. Since Corpus is already in the SLC, it would also make sense for football. Of course many football fans in Kingsville still prefer to be A&I, at least older fans I remember. Would they want another change? xchinscratchx

[JacksFan40]

A&M Kingsville has a very long history with football and merger with Corpus could actually be a good idea. That would be way better than UTRGV. Like Catatonic showed, the talent pool in that areas for FBS and FCS talent is low. The Javelinas have done well at the DII level. Still I think they would fair better than UTRGV. At least they have the fan base for it. I would forsee Javelina Stadium be the base for football since Corpus doesn't participate. Kingsville and Corpus are closer to better recruiting and already have been in the game. Of course, I don't have any idea if serious talks have ever even taken place. Since Corpus is already in the SLC, it would also make sense for football. Of course many football fans in Kingsville still prefer to be A&I, at least older fans I remember. Would they want another change? xchinscratchx
Maybe someone pointed this out but, Kingsville had a decorated NAIA history with 7 Titles, plenty of winning in that program.

[Laker]

Maybe someone pointed this out but, Kingsville had a decorated NAIA history with 7 Titles, plenty of winning in that program.

In the 1969 NAIA championship game, the Javelinas beat Concordia-Moorhead 32-7. My HS football coach, Les Perry, was the fullback and kicker for the Cobbers. He told me that the speed difference between the two teams was incredible.

[AmsterBison]

What is wrong with it?

Where to even start?

UTRGV looks like 5/7th of the worst Scrabble draw ever
It looks like the acronym for a Soviet-era garbage disposal ministry
It's 5-letters long... one longer than is acceptable unless it can be pronounced as a fake word (for example, "TAMUK" is way better.)
It is just begging to have letters transposed: UTRGV? UTGVR? UTVGR?
It would take a million cargo-short-wearing monkeys with phones in their pockets a million years to butt dial a sequence of letters that ugly - and that's only because even autocorrect would refuse to touch it
Plus, thanks to commercials, any time I see UT anything, I think "Urinary tract what?" "If you experience UTRGV and are between the ages of 25 and 50, you may want to consider Vagilux, the only UTRGV treatment endorsed by Liberty University. Possible side-effects include UTSA and mild UTD. Do not use in conjunction with Tamusa as this might cause general jaguarness."

[ST_Lawson]

It looks like the acronym for a Soviet-era garbage disposal ministry

I was thinking soviet budget airplane company, but that works too.