National Rankings Preseason 2018

[VandalBasher]

https://herosports.com/fcs/hero-sports-2018-fcs-preseason-top-25-poll-ajaj
Hero Sports Top 25

http://www.lindyssports.com/college-football/column/north-dakota-state-tops-lindys-fcs-top-25/472641/
Lindy Sports Top 25

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/athlon-sports-preseason-fcs-top-25-2018?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Athlon Sports

https://www.dratings.com/sports/ncaa-fcs-football-donchess-inference-index-ratings/
Dratings.com

https://bigskyconf.com/news/2018/6/13/football-street-smiths-yearbook-tabs-four-big-sky-teams-in-top-25.aspx
Street and Smith's

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm
Massey Composite

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/11605/ratings
Massey FCS Only

https://mikewachsman51.blogspot.com/2018/07/college-football-2018-fcs-report.html
College Football Focus


I didn't have a link for this one:

2018 College Football America FCS Preseason Top 30
1. North Dakota State
2. James Madison
3. South Dakota State
4. Sam Houston State
5. Kennesaw State
6. Jacksonville State
7. Weber State
8. New Hampshire
9. Eastern Washington
10. Samford
11. Wofford
12. Elon
13. Northern Iowa
14. North Carolina A&T
15. Nicholls State
16. Austin Peay
17. Central Arkansas
18. Delaware
19. McNeese State
20. Furman
21. Illinois State
22. Northern Arizona
23. Sacramento State
24. Montana
25. Villanova
26. South Dakota
27. Stony Brook
28. San Diego
29. Youngstown State
30. Richmond

[Reign of Terrier]

Wofford should be ranked in the top 25, but I'm queasy when people rank us higher than 14-15 at the moment

[VandalBasher]

From experience, which is the most trusted and accurate poll?

Still waiting on Sagarin to update preseason rankings.

[Reign of Terrier]

See, you don't understand...everyone hates every poll except the one that confirms their priors.

But AGS's is pretty good

[SCPALADIN]

From experience, which is the most trusted and accurate poll?

Still waiting on Sagarin to update preseason rankings.

Athlon sucks out loud.

[Professor Chaos]

From experience, which is the most trusted and accurate poll?

Still waiting on Sagarin to update preseason rankings.
Like YT said it's all based on your perspective since the FCS polls tend to vary a lot more from poll to poll than the FBS polls do. However, if you go off of what the FCS playoff selection committee does in terms of seeds and at-large selections the AGS poll is the best. The most nationally recognized FCS polls are the STATS FCS poll which is a media poll from writers around the country (their preseason poll is released next Monday) and the FCS Coach's poll whose voting pools consists of 2 coaches (or someone who those coaches designate to fill out their poll ballot each week) from each FCS conference.

[VandalBasher]

See, you don't understand...everyone hates every poll except the one that confirms their priors.

But AGS's is pretty good

I have already had this discussion ad nauseam. If we can't come to some agreement with a foundation process, every poll is worthless.

So, which ones do we, with consensus, agree with?

[VandalBasher]

http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-preseason-2018-results/


I'll add another to the preseason polls!

First preseason vote by AGS with Idaho at #30, 31JUL2018.Rank Team Total Points First Place Votes
1 North Dakota State Bison 2247 88
2 James Madison Dukes 2150 2
3 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 1893
4 Kennesaw State Owls 1870
5 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1726
6 Eastern Washington Eagles 1570
7 New Hampshire Wildcats 1545
8 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1539
9 Weber State Wildcats 1492
10 Samford Bulldogs 1234
11 Northern Iowa Panthers 1099
12 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 989
13 Wofford Terriers 964
14 Elon Phoenix 859
15 Illinois State Redbirds 717
16 Central Arkansas Bears 701
17 Nicholls State Colonels 679
18 Furman Paladins 658
19 North Carolina A&T Aggies 656
20 Stony Brook Seawolves 624
21 Western Illinois Leathernecks 540
22 Villanova Wildcats 529
23 Southern Utah Thunderbirds 442
24 Youngstown State Penguins 420
25 McNeese State Cowboys 327
Others receiving votes:
26 Austin Peay Governors 251
27 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 230
28 Montana Grizzlies 215
29 South Dakota Coyotes 212
30 Idaho Vandals 207
31 San Diego Toreros 136
32T Richmond Spiders 84
32T Yale Bulldogs 84
32T Sac State Hornets 84
35 Grambling State Tigers 43
36 Colgate Raiders 27
37 Monmouth Hawks 26
38 Maine Black Bears 22
39 Montana State Bobcats 19
40 UC Davis Aggies 14
Dropped out of the poll:
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
Western Carolina Catamounts

[McCowboys]

https://herosports.com/fcs/hero-sports-2018-fcs-preseason-top-25-poll-ajaj
Hero Sports Top 25

http://www.lindyssports.com/college-football/column/north-dakota-state-tops-lindys-fcs-top-25/472641/
Lindy Sports Top 25

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/athlon-sports-preseason-fcs-top-25-2018?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Athlon Sports

https://www.dratings.com/sports/ncaa-fcs-football-donchess-inference-index-ratings/
Dratings.com

https://bigskyconf.com/news/2018/6/13/football-street-smiths-yearbook-tabs-four-big-sky-teams-in-top-25.aspx
Street and Smith's

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm
Massey Composite

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/11605/ratings
Massey FCS Only

https://mikewachsman51.blogspot.com/2018/07/college-football-2018-fcs-report.html
College Football Focus


I didn't have a link for this one:

2018 College Football America FCS Preseason Top 30
1. North Dakota State
2. James Madison
3. South Dakota State
4. Sam Houston State
5. Kennesaw State
6. Jacksonville State
7. Weber State
8. New Hampshire
9. Eastern Washington
10. Samford
11. Wofford
12. Elon
13. Northern Iowa
14. North Carolina A&T
15. Nicholls State
16. Austin Peay
17. Central Arkansas
18. Delaware
19. McNeese State
20. Furman
21. Illinois State
22. Northern Arizona
23. Sacramento State
24. Montana
25. Villanova
26. South Dakota
27. Stony Brook
28. San Diego
29. Youngstown State
30. Richmond

Thank you!

[VandalBasher]

I hope keeping track of each of the preseason polls should be of value here.

Most of these polls aren't as nervous about this season as I am. Are the Vandals Top 30? Maybe. Playoff worthy? I don't know yet.

[ST_Lawson]

Like YT said it's all based on your perspective since the FCS polls tend to vary a lot more from poll to poll than the FBS polls do. However, if you go off of what the FCS playoff selection committee does in terms of seeds and at-large selections the AGS poll is the best.

This is correct. I barely pay attention to the other polls (and actively run screaming from the Coaches' Poll most of the time).
Historically, the AGS poll is the most accurate in terms of who makes it into the playoffs and who gets seeds (and which seeds they get)...which is really the whole point of things, right?

I don't really care if "Joe's Random Poll" says my Leathernecks are #5 near the end of the season...if the AGS poll says we're #21...we've still got some work to do.

[Thumper 76]

I have already had this discussion ad nauseam. If we can't come to some agreement with a foundation process, every poll is worthless.

So, which ones do we, with consensus, agree with?

Since a lot of people on here are voters the AGS poll tends to be the one that’s “agreed” with and the rest of the polls exist so they can get posted and ripped to shreds xlolx

That being said the two that are the most recognized are STATS and the coaches poll. The coaches poll is the one that gets mocked the most, because most everyone on here recognizes the absolute lunacy of trying to make coaches know where to rank teams in a conference they never play while preparing for a game during the week. Hell most beat writers don’t have a good grasp on what’s happening in other conferences. The amount of effort most voters put in on here and the level of accountability many are held to when they post their votes here on AGS is generally more than what a voter in a lot of polls are held to in the FCS.


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Since a lot of people on here are voters the AGS poll tends to be the one that’s “agreed” with and the rest of the polls exist so they can get posted and ripped to shreds xlolx

That being said the two that are the most recognized are STATS and the coaches poll. The coaches poll is the one that gets mocked the most, because most everyone on here recognizes the absolute lunacy of trying to make coaches know where to rank teams in a conference they never play while preparing for a game during the week. Hell most beat writers don’t have a good grasp on what’s happening in other conferences. The amount of effort most voters put in on here and the level of accountability many are held to when they post their votes here on AGS is generally more than what a voter in a lot of polls are held to in the FCS.


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A bunch of excellent posts on this thread but this one raises a major advantage our poll seems ot have. Many voters are willing to take an ass kicking for their selections and post them publicly which means even those that do not take an ass beating and learn something from the donnybrook.

AGS is not the most well known. We are not the big daddy as far as being recognized and publicized.

We are consistently the best and the top performer by any measurable standard.

The other things proceeding that last statement don't mean dick to me.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I hope keeping track of each of the preseason polls should be of value here.

Most of these polls aren't as nervous about this season as I am. Are the Vandals Top 30? Maybe. Playoff worthy? I don't know yet.

It is not only of value but I have chastised those that have not brought our competitors efforts to this forum on a Monday morning. I want them all here, every time.xthumbsupx

[VandalBasher]

Rank
Team
Conference
Rating


15
James Madison (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/317)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.9426


18
North Dakota State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/493)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.8954


27
South Dakota (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/650)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.8373


33
Nicholls State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/483)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.7898


36
Elon (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1068)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.7564


37
Central Arkansas (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1004)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.7477


39
Delaware (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/180)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.7436


41
Notre Dame (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/513)
Independent (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/6)
0.7417


47
Sam Houston State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/624)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.7031


51
Eastern Washington (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/207)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.6854


55
Weber State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/758)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.6655


63
Kennesaw State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9993)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
0.5842


65
Idaho (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/295)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.5767


69
Furman (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/244)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.5398


70
Stony Brook (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/683)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
0.5379


75
Sacramento State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/102)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.5124


76
Yale (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/813)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
0.5121


77
Samford (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/625)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.5082


80
South Dakota State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/649)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.4904


81
Western Illinois (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/771)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.4874


90
Austin Peay (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/43)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
0.4399


91
Army (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/725)
Independent (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/6)
0.4384


95
Albany (N.Y.) (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/14)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
0.4128


96
Jacksonville State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/315)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
0.4113


99
Northern Iowa (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/504)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.3832


100
Wofford (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/2915)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.3812


101
Villanova (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/739)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.38


106
Southern Utah (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/667)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.3664


110
Youngstown State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/817)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.3429


112
UC Davis (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/108)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.3324


113
North Carolina A&T (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/488)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
0.3263


114
Richmond (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/575)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.3247


119
McNeese State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/402)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.3116


120
Maine (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/380)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.3064


121
Citadel (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/141)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.2995


124
Monmouth (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/439)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
0.2759


126
Southeastern Louisiana (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/655)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.2528


129
Northern Arizona (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/501)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.2432


131
Missouri State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/669)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.2248


132
Mercer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9997)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.2151


133
Montana State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/440)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.2114


134
Grambling (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/261)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
0.2109


135
East Tennessee State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9994)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.1993


136
Montana (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/441)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.1941


137
New Hampshire (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/469)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.1752


138
Bethune-Cookman (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/61)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
0.1628


140
Illinois State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/299)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.1503


148
Columbia (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/158)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
0.1161


149
Idaho State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/294)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.1147


156
Howard (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/290)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
0.0604


157
Charleston So. (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/48)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
0.0469


159
Central Conn. St. (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/127)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
0.0285


161
Southern Illinois (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/659)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.014


162
Northwestern State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/508)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.002


163
N.C. Central (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/489)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.005


166
Alcorn St. (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/17)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.01


168
Western Carolina (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/769)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
-0.027


170
Princeton (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/554)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.027


171
Tennessee State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/691)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.029


172
Stephen F. Austin (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/676)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.034


173
Duquesne (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/194)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.045


176
Colgate (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/153)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.069


177
North Dakota (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/494)
Ind (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/16)
-0.092


181
San Diego (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/627)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.148


182
Holy Cross (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/285)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.165


185
Prairie View A&M (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/553)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.182


187
Rhode Island (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/572)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
-0.194


188
Towson (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/711)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
-0.199


190
Pennsylvania (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/540)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.211


191
Southern University (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/665)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.215


193
Tennessee-Martin (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/695)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.235


194
William & Mary (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/786)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
-0.236


195
Abilene Christian (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/2)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.245


196
Dartmouth (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/172)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.248


197
Wagner (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/748)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.248


198
Northern Colorado (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/502)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
-0.259


200
Presbyterian (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1320)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
-0.281


202
Hampton (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/270)
Ind (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/16)
-0.307


204
Eastern Illinois (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/201)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.314


205
Indiana State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/305)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
-0.322


206
Florida A&M (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/228)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.329


207
Houston Baptist (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9995)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.329


208
Cornell (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/167)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.337


209
Eastern Kentucky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/202)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.338


210
Chattanooga (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/693)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
-0.349


211
Alabama St. (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/7)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.374


212
Norfolk State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/485)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.382


213
Harvard (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/275)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.387


214
Southeast Missouri State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/654)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.393


215
St. Francis (Pa.) (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/600)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.398


216
Lehigh (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/352)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.411


217
Bucknell (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/83)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.414


218
Sacred Heart (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/590)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.423


219
South Carolina State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/647)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.449


221
Drake (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/189)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.474


222
Gardner-Webb (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1092)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
-0.479


223
Bryant (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/81)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.49


224
Murray State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/454)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.503


225
Fordham (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/236)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.518


226
Delaware State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/178)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.558


227
Texas Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/699)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.57


228
Savannah State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/632)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.573


230
Tennessee Tech (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/692)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.583


231
Lamar (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/346)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.585


232
Lafayette (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/342)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.585


233
Butler (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/87)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.609


234
Alabama A&M (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/6)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.631


235
Cal Poly (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/90)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
-0.659


236
Jackson State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/314)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.691


237
Arkansas-Pine Bluff (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/2678)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.691


239
Valparaiso (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/735)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.707


240
Campbell (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/115)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.712


241
Robert Morris (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/579)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.739


242
Portland State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/550)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
-0.76


243
Jacksonville (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/316)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.768


244
Incarnate Word (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9999)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.771


245
Dayton (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/175)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.79


246
Mississippi Valley State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/432)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.818


247
Virginia Military (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/741)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
-0.824


248
Brown (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/80)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.873


249
Morgan State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/446)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.918


250
Marist (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/386)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.027


251
Georgetown (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/251)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-1.094


252
Morehead State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/444)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.11


253
Stetson (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9996)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.211


254
Davidson (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/173)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.39




https://jameseng.land/Rank/ratings/current

[Thumper 76]

Rank
Team
Conference
Rating


15
James Madison (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/317)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.9426


18
North Dakota State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/493)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.8954


27
South Dakota (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/650)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.8373


33
Nicholls State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/483)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.7898


36
Elon (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1068)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.7564


37
Central Arkansas (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1004)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.7477


39
Delaware (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/180)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.7436


41
Notre Dame (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/513)
Independent (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/6)
0.7417


47
Sam Houston State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/624)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.7031


51
Eastern Washington (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/207)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.6854


55
Weber State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/758)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.6655


63
Kennesaw State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9993)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
0.5842


65
Idaho (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/295)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.5767


69
Furman (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/244)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.5398


70
Stony Brook (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/683)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
0.5379


75
Sacramento State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/102)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.5124


76
Yale (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/813)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
0.5121


77
Samford (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/625)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.5082


80
South Dakota State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/649)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.4904


81
Western Illinois (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/771)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.4874


90
Austin Peay (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/43)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
0.4399


91
Army (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/725)
Independent (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/6)
0.4384


95
Albany (N.Y.) (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/14)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
0.4128


96
Jacksonville State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/315)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
0.4113


99
Northern Iowa (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/504)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.3832


100
Wofford (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/2915)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.3812


101
Villanova (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/739)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.38


106
Southern Utah (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/667)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.3664


110
Youngstown State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/817)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.3429


112
UC Davis (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/108)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.3324


113
North Carolina A&T (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/488)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
0.3263


114
Richmond (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/575)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.3247


119
McNeese State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/402)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.3116


120
Maine (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/380)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.3064


121
Citadel (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/141)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.2995


124
Monmouth (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/439)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
0.2759


126
Southeastern Louisiana (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/655)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.2528


129
Northern Arizona (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/501)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.2432


131
Missouri State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/669)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.2248


132
Mercer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9997)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.2151


133
Montana State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/440)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.2114


134
Grambling (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/261)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
0.2109


135
East Tennessee State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9994)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.1993


136
Montana (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/441)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.1941


137
New Hampshire (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/469)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.1752


138
Bethune-Cookman (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/61)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
0.1628


140
Illinois State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/299)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.1503


148
Columbia (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/158)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
0.1161


149
Idaho State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/294)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.1147


156
Howard (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/290)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
0.0604


157
Charleston So. (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/48)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
0.0469


159
Central Conn. St. (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/127)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
0.0285


161
Southern Illinois (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/659)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.014


162
Northwestern State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/508)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.002


163
N.C. Central (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/489)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.005


166
Alcorn St. (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/17)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.01


168
Western Carolina (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/769)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
-0.027


170
Princeton (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/554)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.027


171
Tennessee State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/691)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.029


172
Stephen F. Austin (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/676)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.034


173
Duquesne (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/194)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.045


176
Colgate (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/153)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.069


177
North Dakota (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/494)
Ind (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/16)
-0.092


181
San Diego (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/627)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.148


182
Holy Cross (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/285)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.165


185
Prairie View A&M (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/553)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.182


187
Rhode Island (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/572)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
-0.194


188
Towson (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/711)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
-0.199


190
Pennsylvania (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/540)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.211


191
Southern University (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/665)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.215


193
Tennessee-Martin (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/695)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.235


194
William & Mary (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/786)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
-0.236


195
Abilene Christian (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/2)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.245


196
Dartmouth (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/172)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.248


197
Wagner (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/748)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.248


198
Northern Colorado (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/502)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
-0.259


200
Presbyterian (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1320)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
-0.281


202
Hampton (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/270)
Ind (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/16)
-0.307


204
Eastern Illinois (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/201)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.314


205
Indiana State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/305)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
-0.322


206
Florida A&M (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/228)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.329


207
Houston Baptist (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9995)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.329


208
Cornell (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/167)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.337


209
Eastern Kentucky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/202)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.338


210
Chattanooga (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/693)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
-0.349


211
Alabama St. (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/7)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.374


212
Norfolk State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/485)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.382


213
Harvard (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/275)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.387


214
Southeast Missouri State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/654)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.393


215
St. Francis (Pa.) (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/600)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.398


216
Lehigh (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/352)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.411


217
Bucknell (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/83)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.414


218
Sacred Heart (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/590)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.423


219
South Carolina State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/647)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.449


221
Drake (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/189)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.474


222
Gardner-Webb (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1092)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
-0.479


223
Bryant (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/81)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.49


224
Murray State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/454)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.503


225
Fordham (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/236)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.518


226
Delaware State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/178)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.558


227
Texas Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/699)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.57


228
Savannah State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/632)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.573


230
Tennessee Tech (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/692)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
-0.583


231
Lamar (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/346)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.585


232
Lafayette (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/342)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-0.585


233
Butler (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/87)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.609


234
Alabama A&M (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/6)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.631


235
Cal Poly (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/90)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
-0.659


236
Jackson State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/314)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.691


237
Arkansas-Pine Bluff (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/2678)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.691


239
Valparaiso (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/735)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.707


240
Campbell (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/115)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.712


241
Robert Morris (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/579)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
-0.739


242
Portland State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/550)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
-0.76


243
Jacksonville (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/316)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.768


244
Incarnate Word (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9999)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.771


245
Dayton (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/175)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.79


246
Mississippi Valley State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/432)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.818


247
Virginia Military (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/741)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
-0.824


248
Brown (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/80)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.873


249
Morgan State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/446)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.918


250
Marist (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/386)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.027


251
Georgetown (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/251)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-1.094


252
Morehead State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/444)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.11


253
Stetson (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9996)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.211


254
Davidson (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/173)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.39




https://jameseng.land/Rank/ratings/current

These are the most horrific rankings I’ve seen so far.


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[VandalBasher]

https://sites.google.com/site/cslratings/home/division-1-fcs

https://jameseng.land/Rank/ratings/current

You want horrific? Here you go. These two will ruin your day.

[katss07]

Jeez we’re lucky we have a poll like the AGS one. Otherwise there are basically no reliable polls.

[Thumper 76]

https://sites.google.com/site/cslratings/home/division-1-fcs

https://jameseng.land/Rank/ratings/current

You want horrific? Here you go. These two will ruin your day.

The second one is where your first link sent me to. Good grief is that just terribad. USD not just number 3 in FCS, but two places out of the top 25 of ALL DI? Nichols, UCA, in the top 40? Woof. How do you come to those conclusions?


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[Gangtackle11]

Still have UAlbany in the NEC & Stony Brook in Big South. ‘Nuff said. xcoffeex

[TheKingpin28]

The second one is where your first link sent me to. Good grief is that just terribad. USD not just number 3 in FCS, but two places out of the top 25 of ALL DI? Nichols, UCA, in the top 40? Woof. How do you come to those conclusions?


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[Sammy94]

Who knew UCA and Nicholls were ranked higher than Notre Dame?? Wow the Southland really must be on the rise.



33
Nicholls State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/483)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.7898


36
Elon (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1068)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.7564


37
Central Arkansas (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1004)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.7477


39
Delaware (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/180)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.7436


41
Notre Dame (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/513)
Independent (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/6)
0.7417


47
Sam Houston State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/624)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.7031

[hoidOfYolen]

http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-preseason-2018-results/


I'll add another to the preseason polls!

First preseason vote by AGS with Idaho at #30, 31JUL2018.Rank Team Total Points First Place Votes
1 North Dakota State Bison 2247 88
2 James Madison Dukes 2150 2
3 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 1893
4 Kennesaw State Owls 1870
5 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1726
6 Eastern Washington Eagles 1570
7 New Hampshire Wildcats 1545
8 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1539
9 Weber State Wildcats 1492
10 Samford Bulldogs 1234
11 Northern Iowa Panthers 1099
12 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 989
13 Wofford Terriers 964
14 Elon Phoenix 859
15 Illinois State Redbirds 717
16 Central Arkansas Bears 701
17 Nicholls State Colonels 679
18 Furman Paladins 658
19 North Carolina A&T Aggies 656
20 Stony Brook Seawolves 624
21 Western Illinois Leathernecks 540
22 Villanova Wildcats 529
23 Southern Utah Thunderbirds 442
24 Youngstown State Penguins 420
25 McNeese State Cowboys 327
Others receiving votes:
26 Austin Peay Governors 251
27 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 230
28 Montana Grizzlies 215
29 South Dakota Coyotes 212
30 Idaho Vandals 207
31 San Diego Toreros 136
32T Richmond Spiders 84
32T Yale Bulldogs 84
32T Sac State Hornets 84
35 Grambling State Tigers 43
36 Colgate Raiders 27
37 Monmouth Hawks 26
38 Maine Black Bears 22
39 Montana State Bobcats 19
40 UC Davis Aggies 14
Dropped out of the poll:
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
Western Carolina Catamounts

I definitely think this one is the most accurate I've seen so far. Makes sense that AGS is the best.

[Bisonator]

https://sites.google.com/site/cslratings/home/division-1-fcs

https://jameseng.land/Rank/ratings/current

You want horrific? Here you go. These two will ruin your day.

WUT? Jeebus this must be somebody on crack!xlolx

[youcanbankit]

https://herosports.com/fcs/hero-sports-2018-fcs-preseason-top-25-poll-ajaj
Hero Sports Top 25

http://www.lindyssports.com/college-football/column/north-dakota-state-tops-lindys-fcs-top-25/472641/
Lindy Sports Top 25

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/athlon-sports-preseason-fcs-top-25-2018?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Athlon Sports

https://www.dratings.com/sports/ncaa-fcs-football-donchess-inference-index-ratings/
Dratings.com

https://bigskyconf.com/news/2018/6/13/football-street-smiths-yearbook-tabs-four-big-sky-teams-in-top-25.aspx
Street and Smith's

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm
Massey Composite

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/11605/ratings
Massey FCS Only

https://mikewachsman51.blogspot.com/2018/07/college-football-2018-fcs-report.html
College Football Focus


I didn't have a link for this one:

2018 College Football America FCS Preseason Top 30
1. North Dakota State
2. James Madison
3. South Dakota State
4. Sam Houston State
5. Kennesaw State
6. Jacksonville State
7. Weber State
8. New Hampshire
9. Eastern Washington
10. Samford
11. Wofford
12. Elon
13. Northern Iowa
14. North Carolina A&T
15. Nicholls State
16. Austin Peay
17. Central Arkansas
18. Delaware
19. McNeese State
20. Furman
21. Illinois State
22. Northern Arizona
23. Sacramento State
24. Montana
25. Villanova
26. South Dakota
27. Stony Brook
28. San Diego
29. Youngstown State
30. Richmond


Great information. Thanks for posting.

[UAalum72]

Rank
Team
Conference
Rating


15
James Madison (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/317)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.9426


18
North Dakota State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/493)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.8954


27
South Dakota (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/650)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.8373


33
Nicholls State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/483)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.7898


36
Elon (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1068)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.7564


37
Central Arkansas (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/1004)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
0.7477


39
Delaware (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/180)
Colonial (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/15)
0.7436


41
Notre Dame (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/513)
Independent (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/6)
0.7417



Some ****










70
Stony Brook (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/683)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
0.5379


75
Sacramento State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/102)
Big Sky (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/13)
0.5124


76
Yale (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/813)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
0.5121


77
Samford (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/625)
Southern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/24)
0.5082


80
South Dakota State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/649)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.4904


81
Western Illinois (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/771)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.4874


90
Austin Peay (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/43)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
0.4399


91
Army (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/725)
Independent (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/6)
0.4384


95
Albany (N.Y.) (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/14)
Northeast (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/20)
0.4128


96
Jacksonville State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/315)
OVC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/21)
0.4113


99
Northern Iowa (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/504)
MVFC (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/19)
0.3832


Some
Other ****




244
Incarnate Word (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9999)
Southland (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/25)
-0.771


245
Dayton (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/175)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-0.79


246
Mississippi Valley State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/432)
Southwestern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/26)
-0.818


247
Virginia Military (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/741)
Big South (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/14)
-0.824


248
Brown (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/80)
Ivy (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/17)
-0.873


249
Morgan State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/446)
Mid-Eastern (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/18)
-0.918


250
Marist (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/386)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.027


251
Georgetown (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/251)
Patriot (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/22)
-1.094


252
Morehead State (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/444)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.11


253
Stetson (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/9996)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.211


254
Davidson (https://jameseng.land/Rank/team/2018/173)
Pioneer (https://jameseng.land/Rank/conferences/23)
-1.39




https://jameseng.land/Rank/ratings/currentSomebody's not paying attention.

2018 is the sixth year in the Colonial for Albany and Stony Brook, and the fifth for Monmouth in the Big South. And what are Notre Dame and Army doing on this list?

[SCPALADIN]

https://sites.google.com/site/cslratings/home/division-1-fcs

https://jameseng.land/Rank/ratings/current

You want horrific? Here you go. These two will ruin your day.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28435&stc=1

[AmsterBison]

I like this site: http://www.atomicfootball.com/af-team-links.html

They don't do rankings until October, but I really like their team pages. For example, here's the JMU page: http://www.atomicfootball.com/archive/teams/tm_153.html

[Daytripper]

I like this site: http://www.atomicfootball.com/af-team-links.html

They don't do rankings until October, but I really like their team pages. For example, here's the JMU page: http://www.atomicfootball.com/archive/teams/tm_153.html

Thanks for the link. That is good site..

[FUBeAR]

I like this site: http://www.atomicfootball.com/af-team-links.html

They don't do rankings until October, but I really like their team pages. For example, here's the JMU page: http://www.atomicfootball.com/archive/teams/tm_153.htmlNoticed their projected records don’t ‘jive’ with their game by game “win probabilities” in many (or most) cases that I looked at. For example, they show Furman as having a greater than 50% win probability in every game, except @ Clemson, which, I would think, would result in a 10-1 projection, but they show the Paladins’ projected record as 7-4. Any insight as to how they cipher those results?

BTW & FWIW - I cross-checked their win probabilities vs. Massey’s and, while similar, they are certainly not the same. So they are using their own algorithms, I would suppose.

Welp...I may have just answered my own question. It works for Furman, at least...If you add up all win probabilities and divide them by 100, you get 7.208, which, I guess, rounds and ‘projects’ to 7 wins. Works for Chattanooga too - favored in only 3 games, but projected to finish 5-6. That doesn’t seem like a sound statistical methodology as each game is an independent event. Probably not sound mathematically either, as I would think you would also divide by 11 games, but they don’t seem to do that. So, in Furman’s case, because they are assigned such a low probability of beating Clemson (0.3%), their projected record, essentially ‘counts’ that projected loss as losing 3 games. Pretty sure it would only count as 1 loss, regardless of the final score.

YoungTerrier, if he reads this, most likely, will provide a dissenting opinion.

[UAalum72]

Sagarin ratings are out, of course based on last year's ranking
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

His top twenty FCS
35 North Dakota State AA = 77.77
63 South Dakota State AA = 70.26
79 Northern Iowa AA = 67.25
80 James Madison AA = 66.65
92 Youngstown State AA = 63.87
98 Illinois State AA = 61.37
99 Eastern Washington AA = 61.12
100 Samford AA = 60.90
106 Sam Houston State AA = 59.82
112 South Dakota AA = 58.33
114 New Hampshire AA = 58.26
118 Weber State AA = 57.64
120 Jacksonville State AA = 57.26
125 Western Illinois AA = 56.68
129 Wofford AA = 55.60
130 Delaware AA = 55.35
131 Northern Arizona AA = 55.22
133 Idaho AA = 54.24
136 Stony Brook AA = 53.96
137 Montana AA = 53.67

[Professor Chaos]

Sagarin ratings are out, of course based on last year's ranking
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

His top twenty FCS
35 North Dakota State AA = 77.77
63 South Dakota State AA = 70.26
79 Northern Iowa AA = 67.25
80 James Madison AA = 66.65
92 Youngstown State AA = 63.87
98 Illinois State AA = 61.37
99 Eastern Washington AA = 61.12
100 Samford AA = 60.90
106 Sam Houston State AA = 59.82
112 South Dakota AA = 58.33
114 New Hampshire AA = 58.26
118 Weber State AA = 57.64
120 Jacksonville State AA = 57.26
125 Western Illinois AA = 56.68
129 Wofford AA = 55.60
130 Delaware AA = 55.35
131 Northern Arizona AA = 55.22
133 Idaho AA = 54.24
136 Stony Brook AA = 53.96
137 Montana AA = 53.67
Interesting to note the conference ratings: https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2018/conference/

In particular the Big Sky rated higher than the CAA and the OVC rated higher than the SLC. Doesn't mean a whole lot right now but it's an interesting data point for conversation.

[FUBeAR]

Sagarin ratings are out, of course based on last year's ranking
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

Maybe, y'all can 'splain something to me. I believe I've captured the data correctly, but not 100% sure....I took Sagarin's end of year rankings 2017 and compared them to these current rankings. These 8 Teams are the biggest "Movers Up" and the biggest "Movers Down" between those 2 points in time...



Portland State
30
Big Sky


Cal Poly-SLO
29
Big Sky


Indiana State
26
MVFC


Hampton
22
Big South







Dartmouth
-24
Ivy


San Diego
-23
Pioneer


Rhode Island
-23
CAA


Mercer
-22
SoCon



So...I'm curious, what do Portland State, Cal Poly-SLO, Indiana State, and Hampton do so right in the off-season that they jumped 30 spots in his rankings?

And, conversely, what did Dartmouth, San Diego, Rhode Island, and Mercer do so wrong to send them tumbling about 25 spots?

NOTE: I can only 'vouch' for Mercer, but the Bears are returning more of their Players than any Team in the SoCon other than Samford...and they did make a change in their OC to a very exp'd FCS and D2 OC...and filled a couple of open DB Coaching jobs with an FCS DC and a 'youngster'...but those changes are far less than Wofford (Coaches and Players) and WCU (Players) had...and they jumped up 2 and 1 spot, respectively.

Any thoughts? What am I missing here?

Well....to be honest, I do have a theory about the "Mover Up-pers" - PSU and CP-SLO were the tail-draggers of the BSC last season, Indiana State held the same position in the MVFC, and Hampton changed from a Conference with a lower 'perception' (MEAC) to one with a bit better rep (Big South). So, I think those 4 are getting significant 'lift' just from the perception of the strength of the conference they play in...which makes that conference ranked higher...which gives them a boost...kinda self-fulfilling prophesy-like until some games start being played. No?

But, I don't see any kind of pattern with ones that tumbled. What's the deal there?

[ST_Lawson]

So...I'm curious, what do Portland State, Cal Poly-SLO, Indiana State, and Hampton do so right in the off-season that they jumped 30 spots in his rankings?


I don't know about the rest, but with Indiana State playing a bad DII team (Quincy), they should actually win at least one game this year. Nothing that I've seen tells me that they're actually any better as a team this year vs last year though.

[Professor Chaos]

Maybe, y'all can 'splain something to me. I believe I've captured the data correctly, but not 100% sure....I took Sagarin's end of year rankings 2017 and compared them to these current rankings. These 8 Teams are the biggest "Movers Up" and the biggest "Movers Down" between those 2 points in time...



Portland State
30
Big Sky


Cal Poly-SLO
29
Big Sky


Indiana State
26
MVFC


Hampton
22
Big South







Dartmouth
-24
Ivy


San Diego
-23
Pioneer


Rhode Island
-23
CAA


Mercer
-22
SoCon



So...I'm curious, what do Portland State, Cal Poly-SLO, Indiana State, and Hampton do so right in the off-season that they jumped 30 spots in his rankings?

And, conversely, what did Dartmouth, San Diego, Rhode Island, and Mercer do so wrong to send them tumbling about 25 spots?

NOTE: I can only 'vouch' for Mercer, but the Bears are returning more of their Players than any Team in the SoCon other than Samford...and they did make a change in their OC to a very exp'd FCS and D2 OC...and filled a couple of open DB Coaching jobs with an FCS DC and a 'youngster'...but those changes are far less than Wofford (Coaches and Players) and WCU (Players) had...and they jumped up 2 and 1 spot, respectively.

Any thoughts? What am I missing here?

Well....to be honest, I do have a theory about the "Mover Up-pers" - PSU and CP-SLO were the tail-draggers of the BSC last season, Indiana State held the same position in the MVFC, and Hampton changed from a Conference with a lower 'perception' (MEAC) to one with a bit better rep (Big South). So, I think those 4 are getting significant 'lift' just from the perception of the strength of the conference they play in...which makes that conference ranked higher...which gives them a boost...kinda self-fulfilling prophesy-like until some games start being played. No?

But, I don't see any kind of pattern with ones that tumbled. What's the deal there?
My guess would be that his preseason algorithm factors in the fast few seasons not just last season. So in Indiana St's case they went 0-11 last year but the previous 3 years before that they went 4-7, 5-6, and 8-6. I'm guessing their Sagarin rating was probably also better than their record in relation to most other FCS teams in those years since the MVFC as a whole is looked on very favorably by Sagarin's algorithm. I don't have the energy to look up those other teams but I would guess the trends are similar.

I'm not trying to defend it since anytime there's a computer calculating a rating there's bound to be some head scratchers but usually by mid-October Sagarin's system becomes "well connected" amongst all the teams and previous years have no bearing on it.

[FUBeAR]

FWIW...and, assuming, I’ve captured the data correctly AND done the math correctly...which I am, quite candidly, less than sure of in this case...this is the average change in Sagarin’s Rankings per Team by Conference...from the conclusion of 2017 to right now.

I really don’t know what this all MIGHT mean in the aggregate, but the one thing I do see from this is that Mr. Sagain’s computers sure LOVE whatever the Big Sky Conference Teams did in the off-season...Pretty pleased with the MVFC too, considering that his top 4 MVC Teams only had an average change of +1. His bottom 4 MVFC Teams had an average change of +12.

6.77 Big Sky
4.40 PFL
4.20 MVFC
2.14 Patriot
1.55 SLC
0.17 CAA
-0.11 OVC
-0.11 SoCon
-2.00 Big South
-2.20 SWAC
-4.88 Ivy
-5.14 NEC
-5.20 MEAC

[UAalum72]

Well, he doesn’t count games vs D-II at all (but shows the W-L), currently all teams’ SOS = 0 (it’s only SOS so far) so who knows his starting algorithm

[centennial]

Sagarin either uses performance from last 3-5 years. MVFC has had some really strong showings vs FBS in the previous years. It's OOC vs the FCS also has been dominant (except some recent Big Sky come back). The computer sees the MVFC similar to a middle G5 conference.

Other conferences can come up by-
- Playing FBS games closer, or winning
- Consistently doing better vs OOC
- Schedule better OOC

Also, they will be well connected after 4-5 games and the initial ratings won't matter anymore. So let's say Mercer starts acting like a top 25 team in the country by mid season it will be rated close to that mark. These ratings are material for fans to use and compare against. The FCS committee doesn't seem to take them into consideration much.

[FUBeAR]

Sagarin either uses performance from last 3-5 years. MVFC has had some really strong showings vs FBS in the previous years. It's OOC vs the FCS also has been dominant (except some recent Big Sky come back). The computer sees the MVFC similar to a middle G5 conference.

Other conferences can come up by-
- Playing FBS games closer, or winning
- Consistently doing better vs OOC
- Schedule better OOC

Also, they will be well connected after 4-5 games and the initial ratings won't matter anymore. So let's say Mercer starts acting like a top 25 team in the country by mid season it will be rated close to that mark. These ratings are material for fans to use and compare against. The FCS committee doesn't seem to take them into consideration much.

OK...if, as you said, the time frame driving these rankings is as long as 60 months AND, as you said, they are determined by winning games, how does a Team move up/down 30 spots in 7 or 8 months (Jan ‘18 - Aug ‘18) without winning (or losing) ANY games?

I ain’t no matheramaticalatician, but that just doesn’t seem to jive right to me. Does it really make sense to y’all?

[UAalum72]

NCAA has just dropped RPI for basketball, wonder if they’ll do something similar for football as a factor in postseason selection
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-08-22/division-i-mens-basketball-committee-adopts-new-ranking

[centennial]

OK...if, as you said, the time frame driving these rankings is as long as 60 months AND, as you said, they are determined by winning games, how does a Team move up/down 30 spots in 7 or 8 months (Jan ‘18 - Aug ‘18) without winning (or losing) ANY games?

I ain’t no matheramaticalatician, but that just doesn’t seem to jive right to me. Does it really make sense to y’all?

Simple, the end of 2017 season rankings were well connected (just for that season). The 2018 rankings are an approximation based upon the last few years. The formula is not disclosed, so as far as we know he could be looking at X amount of things trying to decide how to rank these teams. No mathematician will make a formula with inherent bias against CAA or Big Sky or SoCon. He is just plugging in the numbers. So at worst the model is flawed.

[FUBeAR]

Hate ‘self-quoting’...but I think I got it....

1) Last year’s end of year rankings were very much weighted (almost all, perhaps) by a Teams’ performances in 2017.
2) This year’s beginning of the season rankings pretty much ‘wipe that slate clean’ and start over including the longer view of up to 5 years of historical data...and I would imagine a weighting of that data such that the more recent data (to include 2017) is more heavily weighted than 2016, which is more heavily weight than 2015, and so on.
3) So, when these pre-season rankings come out a Team like Mercer is ‘penalized’ for it’s SoS in 2013 & 2014 when it was I start-up mode & Teams like CP-SLO & Portland State benefit because they had good years in 2016 and further back.

So...I think I get it now. And the lesson for me...is that I ain’t puttin’ much stock at all in Mr. Sagarin’s calculations. Even though they become more relevant as the season progresses, they remain unduly biased by what Teams (and the Teams they play/played) did many yesterday’s prior.

Nope - I’ll stick with what I see, what I know, and what the smart folks here tell me, instead.

[FUBeAR]

Simple, the end of 2017 season rankings were well connected (just for that season). The 2018 rankings are an approximation based upon the last few years. The formula is not disclosed, so as far as we know he could be looking at X amount of things trying to decide how to rank these teams. No mathematician will make a formula with inherent bias against CAA or Big Sky or SoCon. He is just plugging in the numbers. So at worst the model is flawed.Thanks - I figured that out as you (and I) were typing. I agree, it’s flawed.