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nodak651
July 3rd, 2018, 11:46 AM
Stealing this from @proffessorChaos. He posted this new information under the 2016 thread, and I can't believe nobody is talking about it. Maybe because it was in the old thread (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?193324-2016-(Public)-Athletic-Department-Balance-Sheets/page10)? Thoughts?

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Total revenue (highest)
1. James Madison $48,210,400
2. Delaware $40,883,947
3. UC Davis $35,954,033
4. Stony Brook $32,458,520
5. New Hampshire $31,621,272
6. Cal Poly $31,435,074
7. William & Mary $28,401,480
8. Sacramento St $28,275,369
9. North Dakota $28,201,349
10. Illinois St $27,852,407

Total revenue (lowest)
1. Alabama A&M $3,293,950
2. Mississippi Valley St $4,332,784
3. Savannah St $4,508,343
4. Alcorn St $6,321,380
5. South Carolina St $7,232,850
6. Grambling St $7,853,609
7. Arkansas-Pine Bluff $7,904,735
8. Nicholls St $8,463,641
9. Jackson St $9,466,619
10. Florida A&M $10,741,985

Total allocated/subsidy (highest)
1. James Madison $39,119,920
2. Delaware $33,063,193
3. UC Davis $27,442,876
4. Stony Brook $26,799,950
5. Towson $23,576,513
6. Sacramento St $22,764,632
7. William & Mary $28,401,480
8. New Hampshire $21,800,013
9. Cal Poly $21,762,270
10. Kennesaw St $19,449,114

Total allocated/subsidy (lowest)
1. Alabama A&M $342,723
2. Mississippi Valley St $2,146,526
3. Savannah St $2,852,372
4. South Carolina St $3,441,735
5. Alcorn St $3,864,109
6. Grambling St $3,887,444
7. Florida A&M $4,605,221
8. Jackson St $4,731,558
9. Nicholls St $5,243,798
10. Arkansas-Pine Bluff $5,665,044

% subsidy/allocated (lowest)
1. Alabama A&M 10.40
2. Montana 27.41
3. North Dakota St 28.90
4. South Dakota St 36.29
5. Florida A&M 42.87
6. VMI 46.09
7. Montana St 46.47
8. North Dakota 46.48
9. South Carolina St 47.58
10. Northern Iowa 47.62

% subsidy/allocated (highest)
1. Towson 87.35
2. Morehead St 85.17
3. Stony Brook 82.57
4. Texas Southern 82.22
5. Stephen F Austin 82.07
6. Lamar 81.80
7. Central Connecticut 81.48
8. James Madison 81.14
9. Morgan St 81.06
10. Delaware 80.87

goyotes
July 3rd, 2018, 12:31 PM
Please change the title of this thread.

A balance sheet is used to report assets and liabilities. An income statement or statement of activity is used to report revenues and expenses.

nodak651
July 3rd, 2018, 03:31 PM
Please change the title of this thread.

A balance sheet is used to report assets and liabilities. An income statement or statement of activity is used to report revenues and expenses.

Oh god... I was a finance major too. Just copied and pasted the old title and changed the date without really reading it. Embarrassing. I need a mod to do that, right?

NoVABison
July 3rd, 2018, 03:52 PM
If you subtract the allocated portions of the revenue (student fees and school funding), since the remaining funds are what the athletic department generates itself, you get a different look... here is that Top 10:

1 Montana $19,739,927
2 NDSU $19,387,274
3 UND $15,093,410
4 SDSU $14,063,297
5 W&M $12,743,126
6 Montana State $11,734,187
7 Idaho $10,485,963
8 UNI $10,212,620
9 Missouri St $9,853,013
10 New Hampshire $9,821,259

I also compared these non allocated revenues to the rest of the G5, and Montana and NDSU have larger "non allocated" revenues than all the teams in the MAC, CUSA, and everyone in the Sun Belt (except Arkansas State who generated $26.8M. Largest non allocated revenue team in the MAC was Western Michigan at $13.6M, and the largest non allocated revenue team in CUSA was Southern Miss at $15.2M. Also, the #2 non allocated Sun Belt team was UL Lafayette at $15.5M. For the most part the MWC and AAC teams have larger non allocated revenues except for a few outliers.

So the argument for moving to the FBS to get additional revenue appears to not holdup too well if we are talking about CUSA, MAC or Sunbelt.

clenz
July 3rd, 2018, 04:06 PM
I won’t get into it here unless really wanted but UNIs subsidy number is WAAAY off thanks to the way the BOR forces UNI to account for certain things compared to other universities. Our “real” number is closer to NDSU at 25-30%

**** our BOR.


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FUBeAR
July 3rd, 2018, 06:45 PM
If you subtract the allocated portions of the revenue (student fees and school funding), since the remaining funds are what the athletic department generates itself, you get a different look... here is that Top 10:

1 Montana $19,739,927
2 NDSU $19,387,274
3 UND $15,093,410
4 SDSU $14,063,297
5 W&M $12,743,126
6 Montana State $11,734,187
7 Idaho $10,485,963
8 UNI $10,212,620
9 Missouri St $9,853,013
10 New Hampshire $9,821,259

I also compared these non allocated revenues to the rest of the G5, and Montana and NDSU have larger "non allocated" revenues than all the teams in the MAC, CUSA, and everyone in the Sun Belt (except Arkansas State who generated $26.8M. Largest non allocated revenue team in the MAC was Western Michigan at $13.6M, and the largest non allocated revenue team in CUSA was Southern Miss at $15.2M. Also, the #2 non allocated Sun Belt team was UL Lafayette at $15.5M. For the most part the MWC and AAC teams have larger non allocated revenues except for a few outliers.

So the argument for moving to the FBS to get additional revenue appears to not holdup too well if we are talking about CUSA, MAC or Sunbelt.So, let's take a look at all of the schools that have moved from FCS to FBS. I think as NoVABison has done, it's only fair to strip out the allocated portion of their revenues, so that we have an apples-to-apples comparison. Then let's subtract the expenses to see how all of these schools are now KILLING IT, financially, since they made the move to 'the big-time' (cough, cough, hack, hack, cough) level of College Football. And by "KILLING IT," I mean hemorrhaging cash FROM their Athletics Departments. All of you Finance & Accounting experts, please correct me if I'm interpreting this incorrectly.

BTW - I've bolded a few of my favorite 'movers.'



SCHOOL
CONF
TOTAL REVENUE
TOTAL EXPENSES
TOTAL ALLOCATED
% ALLOCATED
Total Revenue LESS Allocated Revenue
Net "Real" Revenue Less Expenses (AKA LOSSES)


Connecticut (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
AAC
$83,374,223
$83,121,820
$42,227,612
50.65
$41,146,611
-$41,975,209


Massachusetts (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
A-10
$48,054,005
$47,535,791
$37,249,930
77.52
$10,804,075
-$36,731,716


Old Dominion (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
C-USA
$46,203,813
$46,181,753
$28,681,512
62.08
$17,522,301
-$28,659,452


Coastal Carolina (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Sun Belt
$33,703,994
$33,704,483
$28,251,293
83.82
$5,452,701
-$28,251,782


Central Florida (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
AAC
$56,327,225
$56,327,225
$27,661,927
49.11
$28,665,298
-$27,661,927


Buffalo (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
MAC
$35,892,221
$35,883,884
$25,628,422
71.4
$10,263,799
-$25,620,085


North Texas (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
C-USA
$32,150,203
$36,363,381
$21,398,461
66.56
$10,751,742
-$25,611,639


Texas State (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Sun Belt
$38,445,832
$35,915,260
$27,787,153
72.28
$10,658,679
-$25,256,581


Florida International (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
C-USA
$33,389,929
$33,003,699
$24,028,758
71.96
$9,361,171
-$23,642,528


Florida Atlantic (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
C-USA
$34,509,259
$34,102,683
$23,953,161
69.41
$10,556,098
-$23,546,585


Akron (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
MAC
$35,331,217
$33,895,809
$24,641,163
69.74
$10,690,054
-$23,205,755


Middle Tennessee (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
C-USA
$34,040,334
$34,040,334
$22,376,798
65.74
$11,663,536
-$22,376,798


Georgia State (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Sun Belt
$30,230,203
$29,859,420
$22,423,489
74.18
$7,806,714
-$22,052,706


Troy (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Sun Belt
$29,962,107
$29,962,107
$21,711,635
72.46
$8,250,472
-$21,711,635


Appalachian State (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Sun Belt
$35,058,621
$35,065,566
$21,257,458 (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
60.63
$13,801,163
-$21,264,403


Charlotte (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
C-USA
$37,931,802
$33,246,728
$25,709,896
67.78
$12,221,906
-$21,024,822


South Florida (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
AAC
$49,960,338
$48,227,500
$21,503,730
43.04
$28,456,608
-$19,770,892


Texas-San Antonio (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
C-USA
$28,772,631
$30,104,385
$17,385,928
60.43
$11,386,703
-$18,717,682


South Alabama (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Sun Belt
$30,693,877
$27,949,252
$20,664,956
67.33
$10,028,921
-$17,920,331


Western Kentucky (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
C-USA
$30,439,066
$30,439,067
$16,853,917 (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
55.37
$13,585,149
-$16,853,918


Georgia Southern (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Sun Belt
$28,895,052
$28,761,605
$16,747,677
57.96
$12,147,375
-$16,614,230


Marshall (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
C-USA
$29,287,471
$30,342,248
$14,345,674
48.98
$14,941,797
-$15,400,451


Nevada (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Mt. West
$36,955,558
$38,982,774
$12,477,955
33.76
$24,477,603
-$14,505,171


Alabama at Birmingham (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
C-USA
$24,795,218
$23,803,547
$15,480,428
62.43
$9,314,790
-$14,488,757


Arkansas State (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Sun Belt
$39,459,027
$39,459,027
$12,624,293
31.99
$26,834,734
-$12,624,293


Boise State (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Mt. West
$45,486,486
$45,456,789
$12,615,561
27.73
$32,870,925
-$12,585,864


Idaho (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#) (now back in FCS)
Big Sky
$23,825,002
$22,817,285
$13,339,039
55.99
$10,485,963
-$12,331,322


Louisiana Tech (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
C-USA
$24,722,695
$23,828,481
$10,687,030
43.23
$14,035,665
-$9,792,816


Louisiana-Monroe (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Sun Belt
$16,132,421
$15,481,778
$7,213,515
44.71
$8,918,906
-$6,562,872

FUBeAR
July 10th, 2018, 12:22 PM
More ‘good’ Financial results for an FCS to FBS mover/wannabe...

https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/07/amid_less_cusa_revenue_uab_for.html

”While TV revenue has exploded for the Power 5 conferences, Conference USA schools saw their annual TV payout drop from $1.1 million per school to about $200,000 in 2016.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBw8Aj1Mwd4
* NOT snickering at people losing their jobs; just at the BIG talk we have previously heard ad nauseum from the ‘movers’ about how TV revenue was going to bring millions into their coffers every year.

SUPharmacist
July 10th, 2018, 04:22 PM
If you subtract the allocated portions of the revenue (student fees and school funding), since the remaining funds are what the athletic department generates itself, you get a different look... here is that Top 10:

1 Montana $19,739,927
2 NDSU $19,387,274
3 UND $15,093,410
4 SDSU $14,063,297
5 W&M $12,743,126
6 Montana State $11,734,187
7 Idaho $10,485,963
8 UNI $10,212,620
9 Missouri St $9,853,013
10 New Hampshire $9,821,259

I also compared these non allocated revenues to the rest of the G5, and Montana and NDSU have larger "non allocated" revenues than all the teams in the MAC, CUSA, and everyone in the Sun Belt (except Arkansas State who generated $26.8M. Largest non allocated revenue team in the MAC was Western Michigan at $13.6M, and the largest non allocated revenue team in CUSA was Southern Miss at $15.2M. Also, the #2 non allocated Sun Belt team was UL Lafayette at $15.5M. For the most part the MWC and AAC teams have larger non allocated revenues except for a few outliers.

So the argument for moving to the FBS to get additional revenue appears to not holdup too well if we are talking about CUSA, MAC or Sunbelt.

Definitely interesting stuff. Not having done any research myself (also not going to do any and not expecting anyone to for me), I would think the real info I would want would be a before and after for each of these FBS schools. Just because Montana and NDSU seem to be in a good spot, doesn't mean those teams didn't improve their financials with the move up.

NoVABison
July 10th, 2018, 05:26 PM
Definitely interesting stuff. Not having done any research myself (also not going to do any and not expecting anyone to for me), I would think the real info I would want would be a before and after for each of these FBS schools. Just because Montana and NDSU seem to be in a good spot, doesn't mean those teams didn't improve their financials with the move up.

A cursory look at the data, and knowing when teams like App State, Ga Southern, CCU, etc moved up, you can see that they are not increasing it from big dollar media contracts... because, there aren't any big media contracts for the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA. Instead, these schools increased there budgets by either significant increases in student fees, or school funds (which ultimately came from state funding), or a combination of both. Massive increases in spending all to say that an institution plays football in the Football Bowl Subdivision. Doesn't really seem worth it... most of these teams become "FBS level fodder" for P5 teams to play at home for an easy win in the OOC...