Top FCS Conferences: CAA and MVFC

[VandalBasher]

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20180523111945857494104&ref=rec&tm=&src=FCS

3. Big Sky (13 teams)
The biggest FCS conference has placed seven different teams in the playoffs the last two seasons, and that doesn't include 2018 hopefuls Sacramento State, Montana State and Idaho (which is returning to the conference following 22 years on the FBS level). Southern Utah and Weber State shared last year's title, but are starting over at quarterback. That position is a strength at Eastern Washington, which felt snubbed of a playoff bid last year. Montana and Northern Arizona? Yup, the depth is impossible.

2. Missouri Valley Football Conference (10 teams)
The best FCS team on paper is North Dakota State once again, and the defending national champ is only leaving the Fargodome four times in the regular season (if not the entire season). One of the big questions is whether national semifinalist South Dakota State can withstand key senior losses and remain on an elite level. After that, Northern Iowa, Youngstown State, Illinois State, Western Illinois, South Dakota and Southern Illinois have to separate themselves in a logjam of teams.

1. CAA Football (12 teams)
Picking between the CAA and the Missouri Valley is splitting hairs, but the CAA appears to have more Top 15-type teams this year - a distinct advantage held by the Valley last year. James Madison, the 2016 national champ and 2017 runner-up, appears primed for a third straight appearance in the national championship game. New Hampshire, Elon, Stony Brook, Delaware, Richmond and a healthier Villanova all hope to reel in the Dukes, who have won 18 straight conference games (plus, two playoff wins over CAA opponents).

[VandalBasher]

The Big Sky plays the MVFC the most OOC games with the PAC12 as a close second. Here are the eight matches.

WIU- Montana and Montana St.
NDSU- Cal Poly
UNI- Montana
USD- Weber St. and Northern Colorado
SDSU- Montana St.
MSU- NAU


These are some very good match ups. Cal Poly and UNC were the only two that will have difficult games. The rest should be competitive.

[centennial]

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20180523111945857494104&ref=rec&tm=&src=FCS

3. Big Sky (13 teams)
The biggest FCS conference has placed seven different teams in the playoffs the last two seasons, and that doesn't include 2018 hopefuls Sacramento State, Montana State and Idaho (which is returning to the conference following 22 years on the FBS level). Southern Utah and Weber State shared last year's title, but are starting over at quarterback. That position is a strength at Eastern Washington, which felt snubbed of a playoff bid last year. Montana and Northern Arizona? Yup, the depth is impossible.

2. Missouri Valley Football Conference (10 teams)
The best FCS team on paper is North Dakota State once again, and the defending national champ is only leaving the Fargodome four times in the regular season (if not the entire season). One of the big questions is whether national semifinalist South Dakota State can withstand key senior losses and remain on an elite level. After that, Northern Iowa, Youngstown State, Illinois State, Western Illinois, South Dakota and Southern Illinois have to separate themselves in a logjam of teams.

1. CAA Football (12 teams)
Picking between the CAA and the Missouri Valley is splitting hairs, but the CAA appears to have more Top 15-type teams this year - a distinct advantage held by the Valley last year. James Madison, the 2016 national champ and 2017 runner-up, appears primed for a third straight appearance in the national championship game. New Hampshire, Elon, Stony Brook, Delaware, Richmond and a healthier Villanova all hope to reel in the Dukes, who have won 18 straight conference games (plus, two playoff wins over CAA opponents).
Oh boy! Now you've done it. I wouldn't even call the CAA a clear 2nd. And we are talking about it being better than the MVFC.

Someone needs to pull out the conference records, then the CAA folks try to exculde NDSU but not JMU. I'm not even sure JMU gets any further than the quarterfinals this year. I don't care how many blue chip transfers they are getting. It will start backfiring soon. Ask ISUr.

[VandalBasher]

This isn't my take but the analysis of the writer of the article. I would like to know what is the assessment of the BSC/MVFC match ups will be.

[ST_Lawson]

This isn't my take but the analysis of the writer of the article. I would like to know what is the assessment of the BSC/MVFC match ups will be.

Ok, I'll take a shot at it. My (barely educated) guesses...

WIU beats Montana State by 14, beats Montana by 3
NDSU beats Cal Poly by 28
UNI beats Montana by 7
USD loses to Weber State by 10, beats Northern Colorado by 14
SDSU beats Montana State by 21
MSU loses to Northern Arizona by 14

I've done a lot of the MVFC articles on the FCS Wedge site the last couple of years, so I'll be putting together previews of the games in the weeks preceding them.

[WeAreThePride]

Hahahahahahahahaha. JMU is not ‘primed for a third title appearance.’

[VandalBasher]

Ok, I'll take a shot at it. My (barely educated) guesses...

WIU beats Montana State by 14, beats Montana by 3
NDSU beats Cal Poly by 28
UNI beats Montana by 7
USD loses to Weber State by 10, beats Northern Colorado by 14
SDSU beats Montana State by 21
MSU loses to Northern Arizona by 14

I've done a lot of the MVFC articles on the FCS Wedge site the last couple of years, so I'll be putting together previews of the games in the weeks preceding them.


Thank you for your input. I look forward to seeing how these predictions add up as the season moves along.

[ST_Lawson]

Thank you for your input. I look forward to seeing how these predictions add up as the season moves along.

No problem. For comparison, here's what Massey currently predicts for the MVFC vs BSC games in 2018:

Week 1
Western Illinois at Montana State - WIU wins 28-21
Northern Iowa at Montana - UNI wins 31-25
Cal Poly at North Dakota State - NDSU wins 38-3

Week 2
Northern Colorado at South Dakota - USD wins 42-24
Montana State at South Dakota State - SDSU wins 37-20

Week 3
Northern Arizona at Missouri State - NAU wins 34-31
South Dakota at Weber State - WSU wins 31-24
Montana at Western Illinois - WIU wins 37-24

[katss07]

SLC should be fourth. Just sayin!

[centennial]

SLC should be fourth. Just sayin!
I'd rather take socon. Y'all barely better than the OVC, if that.

[VandalBasher]

These are some tough predictions. Are the conferences so far apart that the BSC goes 2-6?

[Serpentor]

SLC should be fourth. Just sayin!

This is HBU's year, I can just feel it!

No, no I can't say that... not even in jest...

[centennial]

These are some tough predictions. Are the conferences so far apart that the BSC goes 2-6?
It's been this way for the last 2-3 years. Let's see if things change this year.

[TheKingpin28]

I'd rather take socon. Y'all barely better than the JSU, if that.

FYP...

[TheKingpin28]

This is HBU's year, I can just feel it!

No, no I can't say that... not even in jest...

But what we all want to know is this:

How dangerous is ACU going to be this year?

[Serpentor]

But what we all want to know is this:

How dangerous is ACU going to be this year?

Those kittens have claws!

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[Bisonator]

The Big Sky plays the MVFC the most OOC games with the PAC12 as a close second. Here are the eight matches.

WIU- Montana and Montana St. I say this will be a split.
NDSU- Cal Poly NDSU by a bunch.
UNI- Montana UNI never beats Montana.
USD- Weber St. and Northern Colorado This will be another split.
SDSU- Montana St. Toss up goes to SDSU
MSU- NAU I'll give this one to NAU


These are some very good match ups. Cal Poly and UNC were the only two that will have difficult games. The rest should be competitive.
My predictions

[FUBeAR]

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[TheKingpin28]

Those kittens have claws!

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That kitten looks like a future face-mawler.

Thumper knows why I have a strong distaste for kittens and cats in general.

[Redbird 4th & short]

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20180523111945857494104&ref=rec&tm=&src=FCS

3. Big Sky (13 teams)
The biggest FCS conference has placed seven different teams in the playoffs the last two seasons, and that doesn't include 2018 hopefuls Sacramento State, Montana State and Idaho (which is returning to the conference following 22 years on the FBS level). Southern Utah and Weber State shared last year's title, but are starting over at quarterback. That position is a strength at Eastern Washington, which felt snubbed of a playoff bid last year. Montana and Northern Arizona? Yup, the depth is impossible.

2. Missouri Valley Football Conference (10 teams)
The best FCS team on paper is North Dakota State once again, and the defending national champ is only leaving the Fargodome four times in the regular season (if not the entire season). One of the big questions is whether national semifinalist South Dakota State can withstand key senior losses and remain on an elite level. After that, Northern Iowa, Youngstown State, Illinois State, Western Illinois, South Dakota and Southern Illinois have to separate themselves in a logjam of teams.

1. CAA Football (12 teams)
Picking between the CAA and the Missouri Valley is splitting hairs, but the CAA appears to have more Top 15-type teams this year - a distinct advantage held by the Valley last year. James Madison, the 2016 national champ and 2017 runner-up, appears primed for a third straight appearance in the national championship game. New Hampshire, Elon, Stony Brook, Delaware, Richmond and a healthier Villanova all hope to reel in the Dukes, who have won 18 straight conference games (plus, two playoff wins over CAA opponents).

As an outspoken MVFC advocate, this preseason assessment does not seem to far off. Objectively, this "could" be a down year for MVFC relative to past 4 years (2014-17). By down, I mean possibly 2nd best conference. I think it is safe to say USD, SDSU, and YSU are probably trending the wrong way. While UNI, WIU, and ISU will probably be same or slightly improved. And NDSU should be favorite and also slightly improved. SIU will possibly be most improved team. USD is possibly better than we realize without Streveler, and SDSU always reloads better than most program .. I just wouldn't bet on either at this point.

As for CAA, I though they were much deeper last year than they'd been since 2010 and prior era. Not dominant at top other than JMU. But you have to figure they are trending in right direction as a conference. Delaware, Stoney Brook are emerging again. Elon is emerging. I've heard UNH thinks they have a lot coming back. Villanova should bounce back.

As of today, I'd call it a tie for first, with CAA trending positive and MVFC trending flat or negative.

[Silenoz]

Ok, I'll take a shot at it. My (barely educated) guesses...

WIU beats Montana State by 14
I truly hope that happens. But I ain't betting on it.

[Redbird 4th & short]

As an outspoken MVFC advocate, this preseason assessment does not seem to far off. Objectively, this "could" be a down year for MVFC relative to past 4 years (2014-17). By down, I mean possibly 2nd best conference. I think it is safe to say USD, SDSU, and YSU are probably trending the wrong way. While UNI, WIU, and ISU will probably be same or slightly improved. And NDSU should be favorite and also slightly improved. SIU will possibly be most improved team. USD is possibly better than we realize without Streveler, and SDSU always reloads better than most program .. I just wouldn't bet on either at this point.

As for CAA, I though they were much deeper last year than they'd been since 2010 and prior era. Not dominant at top other than JMU. But you have to figure they are trending in right direction as a conference. Delaware, Stoney Brook are emerging again. Elon is emerging. I've heard UNH thinks they have a lot coming back. Villanova should bounce back.

As of today, I'd call it a tie for first, with CAA trending positive and MVFC trending flat or negative.

I would put Richmond in same category as Villanova .. should bounce back sooner than later .. though Lauletta is big loss.

[clenz]

I mean....okay.

Whatever.

[Thumper 76]

These are some tough predictions. Are the conferences so far apart that the BSC goes 2-6?

Big Sky hasn’t had great luck in the OOC w the MVFC generally in recent years.


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[VandalBasher]

Big Sky hasn’t had great luck in the OOC w the MVFC generally in recent years.


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Thanks for the feedback. I do like the prediction by a previous poster of a 4-4 split.

[clenz]

Big Sky hasn’t had great luck in the OOC w the MVFC generally in recent years.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWasn't it like 8-2 last year or some **** like that?

[Thumper 76]

Wasn't it like 8-2 last year or some **** like that?

I dunno, was it?


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[clenz]

I dunno, was it?


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No idea. Grad school this winter more than killed my normal stat collection and data base building.


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[ST_Lawson]

Ok, I'm on it. Last year we had:

NDSU beat EWU, 40-13
UNI beat CP, 45-38 (OT)
UND beat MSU, 34-0
WIU beat NAU, 38-20
SDSU beat MSU, 31-27
USD beat UND, 45-7
SUU beat UNI, 24-21
NAU beat ILSU, 37-16

and in the playoffs:
WSU beat WIU, 21-19

So, including the playoffs, that's 5-4 for 2017.


Here's 2016...

USD beat WSU, 52-49 (2OT)
NDSU beat EWU, 50-44 (OT)
WIU beat NAU, 34-20
UM beat UNI, 20-14
UND beat USD, 47-44 (OT)
CP beat SDSU, 38-31
EWU beat UNI, 34-30

and in the playoffs:
YSU beat EWU, 40-38

So overall, an even split in 2016, 4-4.

[Herder]

So all the sudden the CAA is on top? Last year’s sagarin had ahuge gap between 1&2.

CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%

1 SEC-WEST (A) = 81.83 82.19 ( 1) 7 81.87 ( 1)
2 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 80.62 80.83 ( 2) 7 80.70 ( 2)
3 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 79.86 79.78 ( 3) 7 79.72 ( 3)
4 BIG 12 (A) = 78.45 77.11 ( 4) 10 78.21 ( 4)
5 PAC-12(NORTH) (A) = 77.12 76.20 ( 5) 6 77.09 ( 5)
6 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 76.63 76.19 ( 6) 7 76.46 ( 6)
7 ACC-COASTAL (A) = 75.96 75.78 ( 7) 7 75.83 ( 7)
8 PAC-12(SOUTH) (A) = 75.01 75.48 ( 8) 6 75.34 ( 8)
9 SEC-EAST (A) = 72.41 73.90 ( 9) 7 72.83 ( 9)
10 AAC WEST (A) = 67.87 68.15 ( 11) 6 68.06 ( 10)
11 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 67.82 69.14 ( 10) 4 68.05 ( 11)
12 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 64.76 64.99 ( 13) 6 64.87 ( 13)
13 AAC EAST (A) = 64.64 66.05 ( 12) 6 65.20 ( 12)
14 MAC-WEST (A) = 61.89 60.60 ( 14) 6 61.66 ( 14)
15 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 60.72 59.35 ( 15) 10 60.46 ( 15)
16 MWC-WEST (A) = 58.99 59.11 ( 16) 6 58.94 ( 16)
17 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 57.81 57.73 ( 17) 7 57.82 ( 17)
18 MAC-EAST (A) = 57.77 57.43 ( 18) 6 57.63 ( 18)
19 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 56.00 54.78 ( 20) 7 55.41 ( 19)
20 SUN BELT (A) = 54.80 55.77 ( 19) 12 55.35 ( 20)
21 COLONIAL (AA)= 50.67 51.34 ( 21) 12 50.80 ( 21)
22 BIG SKY (AA)= 49.90 49.35 ( 22) 13 49.56 ( 22)
23 SOUTHERN (AA)= 47.74 46.

[VandalBasher]

I would like to see the BSC surpass the Sun Belt in these rankings, mainly for spiteful reasons. It would justify the recent shift back to the Big Sky.

[MR. CHICKEN]

xrolleyesx
Wasn't it like 8-2 last year or some **** like that?


......YEAH......UH........5-4.......IS CLOSE TA......8-2...........xrolleyesx.....BRAWK!!

[katss07]

I'd rather take socon. Y'all barely better than the OVC, if that.
Nope. SLC is far better than the OVC. I can live with people saying the SoCon is better. But not the OVC. JSU is ridiculously overrated every season, its almost sickening. Supposedly they are a “blue blood FCS power”. They don’t get out of the second round! The rest of the conference is a joke. JSU only wins consistently because it is such a poor conference. SLC-3 Playoff teams. OVC-1 Playoff team. No comparison.

Austin Peay isn’t good. They play in the OVC. They didn’t get hosed. EIU hasn’t been **** since Jimmy G left. EKU has fallen off. And the Tennessee schools blow.

[clenz]

xrolleyesx


......YEAH......UH........5-4.......IS CLOSE TA......8-2...........xrolleyesx.....BRAWK!!

I said I had no idea. I didn’t track. I’ll have to look where I got confused with. There was a year the MvFC was 8-2 against someone.

Maybe it was the MVC and someone.

I have no idea.


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[ST_Lawson]

I said I had no idea. I didn’t track. I’ll have to look where I got confused with. There was a year the MvFC was 8-2 against someone.

Maybe it was the MVC and someone.

I have no idea.


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2015 the MVFC went 8-2 against the Big Sky (sorry...just needed to go back one more year)

Week 1:
NDSU loses at Montana, 38-35

Week 2:
UNI beats Eastern Washington, 38-35
NDSU beats Weber State, 41-14
SDSU beats Southern Utah, 55-10
USD won at UC Davis, 27-17

Week 3:
NDSU beat North Dakota, 34-9
UNI won at Cal Poly, 34-20

Playoffs had:
SDSU losing at Montana, 24-17
NDSU beating Montana, 37-6
UNI won at Portland State, 29-17

So, all MVFC losses to Big Sky teams that year were teams playing at Montana.

[Professor Chaos]

2015 the MVFC went 8-2 against the Big Sky (sorry...just needed to go back one more year)

Week 1:
NDSU loses at Montana, 38-35

Week 2:
UNI beats Eastern Washington, 38-35
NDSU beats Weber State, 41-14
SDSU beats Southern Utah, 55-10
USD won at UC Davis, 27-17

Week 3:
NDSU beat North Dakota, 34-9
UNI won at Cal Poly, 34-20

Playoffs had:
SDSU losing at Montana, 24-17
NDSU beating Montana, 37-6
UNI won at Portland State, 29-17

So, all MVFC losses to Big Sky teams that year were teams playing at Montana.
2014 was even more lopsided.

Illinois St won at EWU 59-46 in the playoffs
Missouri St won vs UND 38-0
NDSU won at Weber St 24-7
NDSU won vs Montana 22-10
UNI won vs Northern Colorado 46-7
USD won vs Northern Arizona 28-21
SDSU won vs Cal Poly 44-18
SDSU won at SUU 26-6
SDSU won at Montana St 47-40 in the playoffs

The only loss was USD at Montana 28-20. USD went winless in the MVFC that year.

9-1 in all.

[ST_Lawson]

2014 was even more lopsided.

Illinois St beat EWU in the playoffs, Missouri St beat UND, NDSU beat Weber St and Montana, UNI beat Northern Colorado, USD beat Northern Arizona, SDSU beat Cal Poly and SUU.

The only loss was an 8 point loss at Montna by USD who went winless in the MVFC that year.

8-1 in all.

So, from 2014-2015, 16-3 MVFC over the BSC. Since then, it seems like the Big Sky has somewhat caught back up...not saying they've pulled even with the MVFC, but they're closer than they were.

This year we'll have at least 8 more games...

Week 1:
WIU at Montana State
UNI at Montana
Cal Poly at NDSU

Week 2:
Northern Colorado at USD
Montana State @ SDSU

Week 3:
Northern Arizona @ MSU
USD @ Weber State
Montana @ WIU

Plus whatever matchups we see in the playoffs.

[IBleedYellow]

UNI is not going to beat Montana.

Y'all are crazy for even guessing that they will. Much less in Missoula.

[VandalBasher]

UNI is not going to beat Montana.

Y'all are crazy for even guessing that they will. Much less in Missoula.

If the other coach was there, I would have said absolutely. But, Bobby Hauck is back. This is going to be 45-14 Griz win.

[AmsterBison]

So, from 2014-2015, 16-3 MVFC over the BSC. Since then, it seems like the Big Sky has somewhat caught back up...not saying they've pulled even with the MVFC, but they're closer than they were.


Hard to tell with such a small sample size. Having San Diego destroy a Big Sky team in the playoffs each of the last two years doesn't look good even though I like the way the Toreros play. USDiego wouldn't enjoy an MVFC or CAA schedule.

[Redbird 4th & short]

So, from 2014-2015, 16-3 MVFC over the BSC. Since then, it seems like the Big Sky has somewhat caught back up...not saying they've pulled even with the MVFC, but they're closer than they were.

This year we'll have at least 8 more games...

Week 1:
WIU at Montana State
UNI at Montana
Cal Poly at NDSU

Week 2:
Northern Colorado at USD
Montana State @ SDSU

Week 3:
Northern Arizona @ MSU
USD @ Weber State
Montana @ WIU

Plus whatever matchups we see in the playoffs.

agree MVFC has slipped since 2014 and 2015 .. high water marks for sure. And agree Big Sky has re-emerged in 2017. But despite regular season results in 2016 and 2017 being much closer, playoff results are still a bit apart. For 2016 and 2017 playoffs, Big Sky has gone 4-7, while MVFC has gone 11-8.

So agree gap is closing the last 2 seasons, but when push comes to shove, MVFC still has far more depth which prepares us well for playoffs.

[JSUSoutherner]

I'd rather take socon. Y'all barely better than the OVC, if that.
Depending on how good APSU is this year and whether JSU quits playing with themselves in the postseason the argument could be made that the OVC is on par with the SLC but I wouldn't say it's better than. Lots of "if"s with that claim.

The SoCon is a solid 4 pick.

[centennial]

Depending on how good APSU is this year and whether JSU quits playing with themselves in the postseason the argument could be made that the OVC is on par with the SLC but I wouldn't say it's better than. Lots of "if"s with that claim.

The SoCon is a solid 4 pick.
JSU pooping themselves in the quarterfinals is becoming FCS tradition.

[JSUSoutherner]

JSU pooping themselves in the quarterfinals is becoming FCS tradition.

It would be if we were even getting to the quartfinals.

[PaladinFan]

Depending on how good APSU is this year and whether JSU quits playing with themselves in the postseason the argument could be made that the OVC is on par with the SLC but I wouldn't say it's better than. Lots of "if"s with that claim.

The SoCon is a solid 4 pick.

There are a few worthwhile games that may move the SoCon up a peg.

SoCon teams will see Colgate, Elon, Kennesaw State, and Yale, all of which were and probably will be ranked FCS nonconference opponents. UTC has both Tenn. Tech and UT-M, which will be a good test against the OVC.

The Citadel's game against Towson will be an interesting one to follow. It won't break viewing records, but if Furman can beat Elon on the road and El Cid can beat Towson on the road, then why not have the SoCon ahead of the CAA?

[UNHWildcat18]

There are a few worthwhile games that may move the SoCon up a peg.

SoCon teams will see Colgate, Elon, Kennesaw State, and Yale, all of which were and probably will be ranked FCS nonconference opponents. UTC has both Tenn. Tech and UT-M, which will be a good test against the OVC.

The Citadel's game against Towson will be an interesting one to follow. It won't break viewing records, but if Furman can beat Elon on the road and El Cid can beat Towson on the road, then why not have the SoCon ahead of the CAA?

because both teams aren't that great.........

[Thundar]

If the other coach was there, I would have said absolutely. But, Bobby Hauck is back. This is going to be 45-14 Griz win.

Smoking the good stuff are ya?

[clenz]

Smoking the good stuff are ya?

He knows nothing of what UNI is as a team compared to what Montana, as they currently exist, as a team are.

Montana will win, because Montana is the ultimate UNI kryptonite.

I’d be pretty shocked if it’s 45-14.


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[Thundar]

He knows nothing of what UNI is as a team compared to what Montana, as they currently exist, as a team are.

Montana will win, because Montana is the ultimate UNI kryptonite.

I’d be pretty shocked if it’s 45-14.


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No way its that spread, and i dont see Montana winning just because the Hack is back dont make them a elite team

[cx500d]

No way its that spread, and i dont see Montana winning just because the Hack is back dont make them a elite team

Didn’t the mt qb from last year transfer?


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[clenz]

Didn’t the mt qb from last year transfer?


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Yes


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[centennial]

Yes


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For a juco player that failed at the D1 level.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

[QUOTE=Thundar;2636091]No way its that spread, and i dont see Montana winning just because the Hack is back dont make them a



Montana will not return to their "glory days".....

[caribbeanhen]

MVFC is Paul McCartney and Wings, we all know who Paul is but name a Wing? haha, let the chicken jokes roll

CAA has also become a one man band over the past several years, maybe Benny and the Jets? Mick Jagger and the Stones?

the talent level on these 2 teams the past few years (and alot more than that for the Bison) has been above and beyond the rest of the pedestrian FCS......

I would of loved to have seen JMU play a better FBS team than E Carolina, whom they destroyed, with that Defense, they could of beat top #25 FBS last year

The Bison have been an FBS team for years now masquarading down in FCS..... good for them.

That championship game last year had better teams playing in it than 75 % of the so called Bowl games

so what team has a change to knock these 2 top 40 acts off the stage this year?

[PaladinFan]

MVFC is Paul McCartney and Wings, we all know who Paul is but name a Wing? haha, let the chicken jokes roll

CAA has also become a one man band over the past several years, maybe Benny and the Jets? Mick Jagger and the Stones?

the talent level on these 2 teams the past few years (and alot more than that for the Bison) has been above and beyond the rest of the pedestrian FCS......

I would of loved to have seen JMU play a better FBS team than E Carolina, whom they destroyed, with that Defense, they could of beat top #25 FBS last year

The Bison have been an FBS team for years now masquarading down in FCS..... good for them.

That championship game last year had better teams playing in it than 75 % of the so called Bowl games

so what team has a change to knock these 2 top 40 acts off the stage this year?

It just takes time, in my opinion. The FCS has been in a good bit of flux the last few years. Some big time programs have moved out (App State, GSU, etc.). Some historically good programs have gone through some uncharacteristically rough seasons (Furman, Delaware, Montana, etc.)

I think with physical running attacks and defensive football becoming more en vogue in college football (again), you will see some teams rise to meet these current powers. You aren't going to beat those two throwing the ball all over the yard. You are going to beat them exchanging body blows for four quarters.

I say that as someone who watched App State and Georiga Southern rise to a level of dominance in the league. For a long time, both were just more physical than most of their competition. They played in really tough home venues. You couldn't get them on the road in the post season, where they were far more manageable. Once teams started to match their level of physicality, you manage to punch a few holes in the image of invincibility.

[Thundar]

Montana will not return to their "glory days".....


Well they probably will improve, but should. Anyone that thinks implementing an entire new style of FB from Stitt ball will automatically Dominate a Perennial Power team by 40 pts is nuts, or has no clue about the top teams in the FCS.

[cx500d]

MVFC is Paul McCartney and Wings, we all know who Paul is but name a Wing


Denny Laine, one of the original founders of the Moody Blues.



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[caribbeanhen]

Denny Laine, one of the original founders of the Moody Blues.



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Bingo! but be careful CX, your age is showing

PaladinBravesfan - your points are good ones if you ask me

[uni88]

The MVFC is better than the Wings and NDSU has been more dominant than McCartney. Cream or Bruce Springsteen and the East Street Band might be better comparisons.

The CAA doesn't have anyone at Keith Richards level so the Stones don't work there. How about Debbie Harry and Blondie?
MVFC is Paul McCartney and Wings, we all know who Paul is but name a Wing? haha, let the chicken jokes roll

CAA has also become a one man band over the past several years, maybe Benny and the Jets? Mick Jagger and the Stones?

the talent level on these 2 teams the past few years (and alot more than that for the Bison) has been above and beyond the rest of the pedestrian FCS......

I would of loved to have seen JMU play a better FBS team than E Carolina, whom they destroyed, with that Defense, they could of beat top #25 FBS last year

The Bison have been an FBS team for years now masquarading down in FCS..... good for them.

That championship game last year had better teams playing in it than 75 % of the so called Bowl games

so what team has a change to knock these 2 top 40 acts off the stage this year?

[Thumper 76]

I think with physical running attacks and defensive football becoming more en vogue in college football (again), you will see some teams rise to meet these current powers. You aren't going to beat those two throwing the ball all over the yard. You are going to beat them exchanging body blows for four quarters.

As a fan of a team that’s played NDSU more than any other team this last decade, we tried the “out physical beat them at their game” approach. We switched from that to our spread high flying offense with a mobile qb and didn’t just beat NDSU two years in a row, but had two of our best seasons in program history. So I’m not really on board with the idea that the perfect formula is to outdo them at their own brand of football. You can do it, if you aren’t competing directly for the same recruits to run that style against them like JMU. SDSU has to recruit against ndsu at every turn, which is part of why I think that we have been able to get better as a program when we shifted focus a little bit. We got some dudes they weren’t going after for their style of ball and we got lucky on a couple guys (Goedert comes to mind).



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[PaladinFan]

As a fan of a team that’s played NDSU more than any other team this last decade, we tried the “out physical beat them at their game” approach. We switched from that to our spread high flying offense with a mobile qb and didn’t just beat NDSU two years in a row, but had two of our best seasons in program history. So I’m not really on board with the idea that the perfect formula is to outdo them at their own brand of football. You can do it, if you aren’t competing directly for the same recruits to run that style against them like JMU. SDSU has to recruit against ndsu at every turn, which is part of why I think that we have been able to get better as a program when we shifted focus a little bit. We got some dudes they weren’t going after for their style of ball and we got lucky on a couple guys (Goedert comes to mind).



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That's a fair point. Whatever you opt to do, just do it well.

Sometimes it is hard to best a team at their own game. LSU, for instance, wants to play bully ball like Alabama does, but Alabama is better than LSU at doing it. The teams that Alabama has struggled with over the recent years are teams that will spread them out (Auburn, Ole Miss). I imagine it is a similar philosophy.

[caribbeanhen]

The MVFC is better than the Wings and NDSU has been more dominant than McCartney. Cream or Bruce Springsteen and the East Street Band might be better comparisons.

The CAA doesn't have anyone at Keith Richards level so the Stones don't work there. How about Debbie Harry and Blondie?

like the style here, A for effort .....