2018 Team Name List - Need Input

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Trying to accomplish two things here for this list in 2018.
1. Teams properly sorted and placed in conferences and vetted to be sure I have this correct for the schedule.
2. Sorting out the list of names that I will have to amend for the 2018 AGS Poll.

This is normally done behind the scenes but I figure it is a good discussion to have out in the open and get this all set up with as much input as possible and as much knowledge as we have around here this should not take too long.

Big Sky
Cal Poly Mustangs
Eastern Washington Eagles
Idaho State Bengals
Montana Grizzlies
Montana State Bobcats
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
Northern Colorado Bears
Portland State Vikings
Sacramento State Hornets
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
UC Davis Aggies
Weber State Wildcats

Big South
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
Kennesaw State Owls
Monmouth Hawks
Presbyterian Blue Hose

CAA
Albany Great Danes
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Elon Phoenix
James Madison Dukes
Maine Black Bears
New Hampshire Wildcats
Rhode Island Rams
Richmond Spiders
Stony Brook Seawolves
Towson Tigers
Villanova Wildcats
William & Mary Tribe

Ivy League
Brown Bears
Columbia Lions
Cornell Big Red
Dartmouth Big Green
Harvard Crimson
Pennsylvania Quakers
Princeton Tigers
Yale Bulldogs

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
Delaware State Hornets
Florida A&M Rattlers
Hampton Pirates
Howard Bison
Morgan State Bears
Norfolk State Spartans
North Carolina A&T Aggies
North Carolina Central Eagles
Savannah State Tigers
South Carolina State Bulldogs

MVFC
Illinois State Redbirds
Indiana State Sycamores
Missouri State Bears
North Dakota State Bison
Northern Iowa Panthers
South Dakota Coyotes
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Southern Illinois Salukis
Western Illinois Leathernecks
Youngstown State Penguins

NEC
Bryant Bulldogs
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
Duquesne Dukes
Robert Morris Colonials
Sacred Heart Pioneers
Saint Francis Red Flash
Wagner Seahawks

OVC
Austin Peay Governors
Eastern Illinois Panthers
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Murray State Racers
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
Tennessee State Tigers
Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

Patriot League
Bucknell Bison
Colgate Raiders
Fordham Rams
Georgetown Hoyas
Holy Cross Crusaders
Lafayette Leopards
Lehigh Mountain Hawks

Pioneer League
Butler Bulldogs

Davidson Wildcats
Dayton Flyers
Drake Bulldogs
Jacksonville Dolphins
Marist Red Foxes
Morehead State Eagles
San Diego Toreros
Stetson Hatters
Valparaiso Crusaders

SoCon
Chattanooga Mocs
ETSU Buccaneers
Furman Paladins
Mercer University Bears
Samford Bulldogs
The Citadel Bulldogs
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
Western Carolina Catamounts
Wofford Terriers

Southland
Abilene Christian Wildcats
Central Arkansas Bears
Houston Baptist Huskies
Incarnate Word Cardinals
Lamar Cardinals
McNeese State Cowboys
Nicholls State Colonels
Northwestern State Demons
Sam Houston State Bearkats
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

SWAC
Alabama A&M Bulldogs
Alabama State Hornets
Alcorn State Braves
Arkansas Pine Bluff Golden Lions
Grambling State Tigers
Jackson State Tigers
Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils
Prairie View A&M Panthers
Southern Jaguars
Texas Southern Tigers

Independent
North Alabama Lions
Hampton Pirates?
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Additions for the 2018 year will be:
Idaho Vandals - BSC

* Not yet sure on the Vandals eligibility for the AGS Poll. I am going to call the BSC office at some point and see if I can garner wheat they see happening for this season for the Vandals.
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North Dakota is that move this season or next?
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I am including UNA under the schedules as an Indy for 2018.

They will not be eligible for the AGS Poll until they are eligible for either their conference title or a national title when they complete their transition. They will be moved to the Big South in the schedule in the 2019 season.

A link to my assertions:
http://www.roarlions.com/news/2018/2/6/una-releases-2018-football-schedule.aspx
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Names to be pulled from the list(s) are:

Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
Liberty Flames
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What about Hampton? They don't have a home for 2018 right? They join the Big South next correct and are not part of the MEAC this season as I understood it. So Indy for the this year I guess? Any input?

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/meac/article_4a918d89-958c-542e-af8f-60e0af31027c.html
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Presby is to remain in Big South until 2020 form what I see. Any other opinions on this one let me know.
http://www.pioneer-football.org/news/archives/2017/1345/presbyterian-college-to-join-pioneer-football-league-in-2021/
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So with these issues out there for discussion what else am I missing? Are there any other teams going in or coming out or moving around for either the schedule or the AGS Poll for 2018?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Big Sky
Cal Poly Mustangs
Eastern Washington Eagles
Idaho State Bengals
Idaho Vandals
Montana Grizzlies
Montana State Bobcats
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
Northern Colorado Bears
Portland State Vikings
Sac State Hornets
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
UC Davis Aggies
Weber State Wildcats

Big South
Campbell Fighting Camels
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
Kennesaw State Owls
Monmouth Hawks
Presbyterian Blue Hose

CAA
Albany Great Danes
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Elon Phoenix
James Madison Dukes
Maine Black Bears
New Hampshire Wildcats
Rhode Island Rams
Richmond Spiders
Stony Brook Seawolves
Towson Tigers
Villanova Wildcats
William & Mary Tribe

Ivy League
Brown Bears
Columbia Lions
Cornell Big Red
Dartmouth Big Green
Harvard Crimson
Pennsylvania Quakers
Princeton Tigers
Yale Bulldogs

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
Delaware State Hornets
Florida A&M Rattlers
Hampton Pirates -------> To Big South in 2019
Howard Bison
Morgan State Bears
Norfolk State Spartans
North Carolina A&T Aggies
North Carolina Central Eagles
Savannah State Tigers
South Carolina State Bulldogs

MVFC
Illinois State Redbirds
Indiana State Sycamores
Missouri State Bears
North Dakota State Bison
Northern Iowa Panthers
South Dakota Coyotes
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Southern Illinois Salukis
Western Illinois Leathernecks
Youngstown State Penguins

NEC
Bryant Bulldogs
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
Duquesne Dukes
Robert Morris Colonials
Sacred Heart Pioneers
Saint Francis Red Flash
Wagner Seahawks

OVC
Austin Peay Governors
Eastern Illinois Panthers
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Murray State Racers
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
Tennessee State Tigers
Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

Patriot League
Bucknell Bison
Colgate Raiders
Fordham Rams
Georgetown Hoyas
Holy Cross Crusaders
Lafayette Leopards
Lehigh Mountain Hawks

Pioneer League
Butler Bulldogs
Davidson Wildcats
Dayton Flyers
Drake Bulldogs
Jacksonville Dolphins
Marist Red Foxes
Morehead State Eagles
San Diego Toreros
Stetson Hatters
Valparaiso Crusaders

SoCon
Chattanooga Mocs
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
Furman Paladins
Mercer Bears
Samford Bulldogs
The Citadel Bulldogs
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
Western Carolina Catamounts
Wofford Terriers

Southland
Abilene Christian Wildcats
Central Arkansas Bears
Houston Baptist Huskies
Incarnate Word Cardinals
Lamar Cardinals
McNeese State Cowboys
Nicholls State Colonels
Northwestern State Demons
Sam Houston State Bearkats
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

SWAC
Alabama A&M Bulldogs
Alabama State Hornets
Alcorn State Braves
Arkansas Pine Bluff Golden Lions
Grambling State Tigers
Jackson State Tigers
Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils
Prairie View A&M Panthers
Southern Jaguars
Texas Southern Tigers


Independent
North Dakota Fighting Hawks -------> To MVFC in 2020
North Alabama Lions -------> To Big South in 2019

[TheKingpin28]

North Dakota moves to the MVFC in 2020 and moves to the Summit in 2018 IIRC.

I'd like to see UNA in the poll, but this is fine by me.

Hampton I thought was still a part of the MEAC until next year, even though the MEAC wants nothing to do with them. Independent is fine but I would still classify them as MEAC.

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[ST_Lawson]

North Dakota moves to the MVFC in 2020 and moves to the Summit in 2018 IIRC.

That is correct, I believe. 2018 starts a new "rotation" of the 2-year schedule for the MVFC (teams switch which other MVFC team they don't play for 2 years), so that's set for 2018 and 2019. Also, with football scheduling the way it is, 2018 would have been too soon to fit them into the MVFC schedule and too little time for them to "massage" their schedule and contracts to make this year work.

Non-football sports...much easier scheduling.

[Bisonator]

UND is Indy the next 2 years.

[RootinFerDukes]

Why can’t UNA be eligible to rank? If we can vote for the Ivy, MEAC or SWAC who don’t even compete in the playoffs, why not them?

[cx500d]

Why can’t UNA be eligible to rank? If we can vote for the Ivy, MEAC or SWAC who don’t even compete in the playoffs, why not them?

Good point!


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[clenz]

That is correct, I believe. 2018 starts a new "rotation" of the 2-year schedule for the MVFC (teams switch which other MVFC team they don't play for 2 years), so that's set for 2018 and 2019. Also, with football scheduling the way it is, 2018 would have been too soon to fit them into the MVFC schedule and too little time for them to "massage" their schedule and contracts to make this year work.

Non-football sports...much easier scheduling.This is probably better served in another MVFC thread but USD has their conference schedule through like 2024 posted. Given we don't actually know how the rotation or unbalanced schedule, or if a 12th team would be involved yet, would work that seemed odd to me

On topic

I agree with UNA not being eligible until next year. The point of the MEAC, SWAC and Ivy is moot as they meet all FCS requirements and decide to abstain from the playoffs. UNA is ineligible.

If Idaho is eligible for a playoff bid - even if not the Big Sky auto they should be eligible. At that point they are basically UND (who is Indy with a Big Sky attachment.)

I would guess Hampton will be Indy this year. Where are their Olympic sports playing?

[VandalBasher]

The Idaho Vandals will be eligible for the 2018 FCS Playoffs.


Additions for the 2018 year will be:
Idaho Vandals - BSC

* Not yet sure on the Vandals eligibility for the AGS Poll. I am going to call the BSC office at some point and see if I can garner what they see happening for this season for the Vandals.

[NorthChuckSouth]

I'm about 95% sure that Campbell will be competing in Big South play this year.. Hampton will fully join in 2019

[JSUSoutherner]

I doubt UNA is going to be worth ranking this year anyway.

[clenz]

I doubt UNA is going to be worth ranking this year anyway.

Neither will any ovc teams other than JSU. Should they be removed?


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[Lion1983]

I doubt UNA is going to be worth ranking this year anyway.
And so it begins, when are y'all going to join a real conference????

[Lion1983]

I'm about 95% sure that Campbell will be competing in Big South play this year.. Hampton will fully join in 2019

Campbell will be 100% Big South this year...
And Hampton in 2019..

You are correct.

[PaladinFan]

Not sure why have Mercer “University” and not just Mercer.

[RootinFerDukes]

And so it begins, when are y'all going to join a real conference????

Well, as you’ll quickly learn, the big south doesn’t really count as a real conference either.

[ElCid]

Why can’t UNA be eligible to rank? If we can vote for the Ivy, MEAC or SWAC who don’t even compete in the playoffs, why not them?

That is a good point, but I think one is due to NCAA/conf eligibility rules and the others due to conference choice. So there is a difference. I don't necessarily disagree with your view, but I always liked aligning the poll with eligibility. The SWAC and Ivy could theoretically decide to compete at the last minute.

[FUBeAR]

Not sure why have Mercer “University” and not just Mercer.No doubt to distinguish that fine University in Macon, Ga from this other institution of ‘higher learning’ in NJ - http://www.mccc.edu/

[dgtw]

And so it begins, when are y'all going to join a real conference????

When are y’all going to join a conference that isn’t made up of a bunch of affiliates that are looking to bail when a better conference comes along?


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[ElCid]

No doubt to distinguish that fine University in Macon, Ga from this other institution of ‘higher learning’ in NJ - http://www.mccc.edu/

Well, I guess we should grant Macon Community College a break in this instance and let them keep the University name. We wouldn't want their to be any confusion, would we?

[NorthChuckSouth]

Well, as you’ll quickly learn, the big south doesn’t really count as a real conference either.

Watch itxrotatehx

[Tuna85]

Sure am looking forward to finding out. Bring it! ROAR LIONS!

[JSUSoutherner]

Neither will any ovc teams other than JSU. Should they be removed?


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Keep APSU and JSU. The rest are hopeless.


And so it begins, when are y'all going to join a real conference????

Who are you?

[Lion1983]

When are y’all going to join a conference that isn’t made up of a bunch of affiliates that are looking to bail when a better conference comes along?


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We have to play cards that are given, at least the Big South got 2 in the playoffs, and got past the 2nd round.

[clenz]

We have to play cards that are given, at least the Big South got 2 in the playoffs, and got past the 2nd round.

Different thread but...Big South also sucks. An average UNI team could have hung 100 on Monmouth if they wanted.


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Alrighty, now that we've got some of the silly bs out of the way with the li'l bitchy fighting and so forth I'll make this statement so as to provide guidance on how we will be moving forward.

Sometimes we play, sometimes we work. This is a work thread. I want your help if you have some to give then put on your boots and pitch in. If not then go take the conference moaning and so forth to a new or existing thread in the smack area if you would.

But, since I am trying to do a thing here I want it sort of focused on the thing. I appreciate those who have pitched in so far and I will be getting back to a few of you individually to respond to questions or even maybe ask more of my own from you shortly.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Why can’t UNA be eligible to rank? If we can vote for the Ivy, MEAC or SWAC who don’t even compete in the playoffs, why not them?

I thought I had mentioned this to you before but I could be wrong, and it was another, as I've said this so many times but here goes.

The AGS Poll is NOT about playoff eligible teams. It does a good job of prediction but this is not our main focus. We rank the 25 best FCS teams in the nation that are either:

1. Eligible for their conference title.
or
2. Eligible for the FCS Playoffs.

You will notice the "or" is not an "and". This is why some teams coming in and some teams leaving are omitted from the AGS Poll. It doesn't have anything to do with "They aren't good enough" or anything like that.

It boils down to simply this. Is the team in question playing by the same rules as all other eligible teams? UNA will have to go through a transition period to become FCS because until now some players were recruited under a different standard than the D1 standards.

When they become eligible for either of the two standards I presented previously then they will be eligible for the AGS Poll.xthumbsupx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'm about 95% sure that Campbell will be competing in Big South play this year.. Hampton will fully join in 2019

Excellent work NCS. Missed that one completely. Knew it, then apparently didn't know it anymore so much needed help there. xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Not sure why have Mercer “University” and not just Mercer.

That is a good point. It is only that way on the schedule and never got changed to the correct (For consistency) "Mercer Bears" as it is in the AGS Poll so I have changed this to match. I appreciate your pointing that out.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hampton I thought was still a part of the MEAC until next year, even though the MEAC wants nothing to do with them. Independent is fine but I would still classify them as MEAC.



Well they don't have a single MEAC on their schedule this year. Hampton has cancelled all games from what I've read. Here is their scheduled from what has been picked up from others apparently.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hampton+football+schedule&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab

Additional good read on the subject:

https://hbcugameday.com/2018/02/19/hampton-football-schedule-status-keeps-meac-up-in-the-air/

So this is a weird one that I am not really finding a good answer for.

[TheKingpin28]

Well they don't have a single MEAC on their schedule this year. Hampton has cancelled all games from what I've read. Here is their scheduled from what has been picked up from others apparently.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hampton+football+schedule&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab

Additional good read on the subject:

https://hbcugameday.com/2018/02/19/hampton-football-schedule-status-keeps-meac-up-in-the-air/

So this is a weird one that I am not really finding a good answer for.They are in, a Chicago State-esque situation. Not financially, but not knowing what to do with what they have. Either option is fine by me and since the games are cancelled, you can label them Indy, but I would leave them in the MEAC until they are either:

A) Kicked out of the conference

Or

B) Officially move conferences into their new home.

That is again just me, but either situation is fine by me.

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[TheKingpin28]

I say all of this since I relate it to moving to a different town, state, or country. Are you a resident of said place until you officially apply for residency and are granted it? The answer is no. You are not homeless either since you have your current place that you continue to live in until your new place opens up or you are ready to move there.

So when looking at this, Hampton still "lives in the MEAC" as they were not kicked out, but the neighborhood wants them evicted as they are failing to pay their "homeowners association fees". They agreed to pay them for a reduced one time fee and then they are "moving" to a "new home". They already have their papers for "residency" stamped and approved, but not until 2019, so they are in the process of packing up the family and "moving" but until they get those "keys" to a new home and are allowed to "legally move and become a full-time resident" they are stuck in their current neighborhood which wants nothing to do with them and are the black sheep of the block.

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[Tuna85]

Different thread but...Big South also sucks. An average UNI team could have hung 100 on Monmouth if they wanted.


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Yet Monmouth got in the playoffs. I think most expected their time would be short but, they were there. Curious about what an average UNI team would have done against the other Big South rep: Kennesaw State. Big South Conference may have it's shortcomings but there's no rule saying this will be the case going forward.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

They are in, a Chicago State-esque situation. Not financially, but not knowing what to do with what they have. Either option is fine by me and since the games are cancelled, you can label them Indy, but I would leave them in the MEAC until they are either:

A) Kicked out of the conference

Or

B) Officially move conferences into their new home.

That is again just me, but either situation is fine by me.

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It is probably the best bet to just wait and see if anything comes out of the normal June conference meetings so for now I'm leaving it the way it is....I mean the way it was with them listed under MEAC.xthumbsupx

[Tuna85]

Alrighty, now that we've got some of the silly bs out of the way with the li'l bitchy fighting and so forth I'll make this statement so as to provide guidance on how we will be moving forward.

Sometimes we play, sometimes we work. This is a work thread. I want your help if you have some to give then put on your boots and pitch in. If not then go take the conference moaning and so forth to a new or existing thread in the smack area if you would.

But, since I am trying to do a thing here I want it sort of focused on the thing. I appreciate those who have pitched in so far and I will be getting back to a few of you individually to respond to questions or even maybe ask more of my own from you shortly.

Sorry Ursus, just saw your earlier request on this thread about work versus play. I promise to behave on this thread.
Agree with your listing of UNA as Independent. 2019 will be first year in Big South.

[Tuna85]

I say all of this since I relate it to moving to a different town, state, or country. Are you a resident of said place until you officially apply for residency and are granted it? The answer is no. You are not homeless either since you have your current place that you continue to live in until your new place opens up or you are ready to move there.

So when looking at this, Hampton still "lives in the MEAC" as they were not kicked out, but the neighborhood wants them evicted as they are failing to pay their "homeowners association fees". They agreed to pay them for a reduced one time fee and then they are "moving" to a "new home". They already have their papers for "residency" stamped and approved, but not until 2019, so they are in the process of packing up the family and "moving" but until they get those "keys" to a new home and are allowed to "legally move and become a full-time resident" they are stuck in their current neighborhood which wants nothing to do with them and are the black sheep of the block.

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Now this is a great analogy!

[Lion1983]

Sorry Ursus, just saw your earlier request on this thread about work versus play. I promise to behave on this thread.
Agree with your listing of UNA as Independent. 2019 will be first year in Big South.

But UNA will still not be eligible for conference championship or playoffs, so for the next 4 seasons, by default, we are not eligible for this poll.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Sorry Ursus, just saw your earlier request on this thread about work versus play. I promise to behave on this thread.
Agree with your listing of UNA as Independent. 2019 will be first year in Big South.

All good my man.

[clenz]

I say all of this since I relate it to moving to a different town, state, or country. Are you a resident of said place until you officially apply for residency and are granted it? The answer is no. You are not homeless either since you have your current place that you continue to live in until your new place opens up or you are ready to move there.

So when looking at this, Hampton still "lives in the MEAC" as they were not kicked out, but the neighborhood wants them evicted as they are failing to pay their "homeowners association fees". They agreed to pay them for a reduced one time fee and then they are "moving" to a "new home". They already have their papers for "residency" stamped and approved, but not until 2019, so they are in the process of packing up the family and "moving" but until they get those "keys" to a new home and are allowed to "legally move and become a full-time resident" they are stuck in their current neighborhood which wants nothing to do with them and are the black sheep of the block.

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I’ve never once had to apply to be a resident of any town I’ve lived in.


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[TheKingpin28]

I’ve never once had to apply to be a resident of any town I’ve lived in.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkCertain towns, due to government restrictions, require it, but when you move, for non-educational reasons, it is expected one updates your license with the most recent address.

Other than that, the analogy was to explain how I see Hampton in this current conundrum they are in.

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Big Sky
Cal Poly Mustangs
Eastern Washington Eagles
Idaho State Bengals
Idaho Vandals
Montana Grizzlies
Montana State Bobcats
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
Northern Colorado Bears
Portland State Vikings
Sacramento State Hornets
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
UC Davis Aggies
Weber State Wildcats

Big South
Campbell Fighting Camels
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
Kennesaw State Owls
Monmouth Hawks
Presbyterian Blue Hose

CAA
Albany Great Danes
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Elon Phoenix
James Madison Dukes
Maine Black Bears
New Hampshire Wildcats
Rhode Island Rams
Richmond Spiders
Stony Brook Seawolves
Towson Tigers
Villanova Wildcats
William & Mary Tribe

Ivy League
Brown Bears
Columbia Lions
Cornell Big Red
Dartmouth Big Green
Harvard Crimson
Pennsylvania Quakers
Princeton Tigers
Yale Bulldogs

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
Delaware State Hornets
Florida A&M Rattlers
Hampton Pirates -------> To Big South in 2019
Howard Bison
Morgan State Bears
Norfolk State Spartans
North Carolina A&T Aggies
North Carolina Central Eagles
Savannah State Tigers
South Carolina State Bulldogs

MVFC
Illinois State Redbirds
Indiana State Sycamores
Missouri State Bears
North Dakota State Bison
Northern Iowa Panthers
South Dakota Coyotes
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Southern Illinois Salukis
Western Illinois Leathernecks
Youngstown State Penguins

NEC
Bryant Bulldogs
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
Duquesne Dukes
Robert Morris Colonials
Sacred Heart Pioneers
Saint Francis Red Flash
Wagner Seahawks

OVC
Austin Peay Governors
Eastern Illinois Panthers
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Murray State Racers
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
Tennessee State Tigers
Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

Patriot League
Bucknell Bison
Colgate Raiders
Fordham Rams
Georgetown Hoyas
Holy Cross Crusaders
Lafayette Leopards
Lehigh Mountain Hawks

Pioneer League
Butler Bulldogs
Davidson Wildcats
Dayton Flyers
Drake Bulldogs
Jacksonville Dolphins
Marist Red Foxes
Morehead State Eagles
San Diego Toreros
Stetson Hatters
Valparaiso Crusaders

SoCon
Chattanooga Mocs
ETSU Buccaneers
Furman Paladins
Mercer Bears
Samford Bulldogs
The Citadel Bulldogs
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
Western Carolina Catamounts
Wofford Terriers

Southland
Abilene Christian Wildcats
Central Arkansas Bears
Houston Baptist Huskies
Incarnate Word Cardinals
Lamar Cardinals
McNeese State Cowboys
Nicholls State Colonels
Northwestern State Demons
Sam Houston State Bearkats
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

SWAC
Alabama A&M Bulldogs
Alabama State Hornets
Alcorn State Braves
Arkansas Pine Bluff Golden Lions
Grambling State Tigers
Jackson State Tigers
Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils
Prairie View A&M Panthers
Southern Jaguars
Texas Southern Tigers


Independent
North Dakota Fighting Hawks -------> To MVFC in 2020
North Alabama Lions -------> To Big South in 2019

OK, anyone see any problems with the list as it sits now?

[FUBeAR]

Well, I guess we should grant Macon Community College a break in this instance and let them keep the University name. We wouldn't want their to be any confusion, would we?
It is really beneath me to call attention to your spelling error in your attempted maligning of the academic quality of my offspring’s alma mater, so I won’t point to it up THERE.

[ElCid]

OK, anyone see any problems with the list as it sits now?

This is a small matter. Everyone is spelled out, but ETSU is not. Maybe they prefer it that way, but for uniformity sake.....East Tennesee State?

[clenz]

This is a small matter. Everyone is spelled out, but ETSU is not. Maybe they prefer it that way, but for uniformity sake.....East Tennesee State?

If that is the case the Northern Iowa has to be UNI. UNIs official branding rules state that only UNI is acceptable. Look at everyone one of our uniforms for all sports. Media release. Etc. it’s never Northern Iowa. It’s UNI.

I’d bet it’s a length issue. That’s a hell of a long name for a google sheet.


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

I’d bet it’s a length issue. That’s a hell of a long name for a google sheet.


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It was partially that but also that I was fairly sure for the poll people would go to ETSU first since it is what we use mostly around here...but it is out of compliance with the way others are done.

Here's one that always messes with sheets.xlox
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils

So if I went with:
East Tennessee State Buccaneers

instead of:
East Tennessee State University Buccaneers

It would be shorter than CCSU and also in a similar representation sort of thing.

So, I think it should be that way for consistency probably.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This is a small matter. Everyone is spelled out, but ETSU is not. Maybe they prefer it that way, but for uniformity sake.....East Tennesee State?

Meant to quote you as well on that last one so chime in on it.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Big Sky
Cal Poly Mustangs
Eastern Washington Eagles
Idaho State Bengals
Idaho Vandals
Montana Grizzlies
Montana State Bobcats
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
Northern Colorado Bears
Portland State Vikings
Sacramento State Hornets
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
UC Davis Aggies
Weber State Wildcats

Big South
Campbell Fighting Camels
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
Kennesaw State Owls
Monmouth Hawks
Presbyterian Blue Hose

CAA
Albany Great Danes
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Elon Phoenix
James Madison Dukes
Maine Black Bears
New Hampshire Wildcats
Rhode Island Rams
Richmond Spiders
Stony Brook Seawolves
Towson Tigers
Villanova Wildcats
William & Mary Tribe

Ivy League
Brown Bears
Columbia Lions
Cornell Big Red
Dartmouth Big Green
Harvard Crimson
Pennsylvania Quakers
Princeton Tigers
Yale Bulldogs

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
Delaware State Hornets
Florida A&M Rattlers
Hampton Pirates -------> To Big South in 2019
Howard Bison
Morgan State Bears
Norfolk State Spartans
North Carolina A&T Aggies
North Carolina Central Eagles
Savannah State Tigers
South Carolina State Bulldogs

MVFC
Illinois State Redbirds
Indiana State Sycamores
Missouri State Bears
North Dakota State Bison
Northern Iowa Panthers
South Dakota Coyotes
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Southern Illinois Salukis
Western Illinois Leathernecks
Youngstown State Penguins

NEC
Bryant Bulldogs
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
Duquesne Dukes
Robert Morris Colonials
Sacred Heart Pioneers
Saint Francis Red Flash
Wagner Seahawks

OVC
Austin Peay Governors
Eastern Illinois Panthers
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Murray State Racers
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
Tennessee State Tigers
Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

Patriot League
Bucknell Bison
Colgate Raiders
Fordham Rams
Georgetown Hoyas
Holy Cross Crusaders
Lafayette Leopards
Lehigh Mountain Hawks

Pioneer League
Butler Bulldogs
Davidson Wildcats
Dayton Flyers
Drake Bulldogs
Jacksonville Dolphins
Marist Red Foxes
Morehead State Eagles
San Diego Toreros
Stetson Hatters
Valparaiso Crusaders

SoCon
Chattanooga Mocs
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
Furman Paladins
Mercer Bears
Samford Bulldogs
The Citadel Bulldogs
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
Western Carolina Catamounts
Wofford Terriers

Southland
Abilene Christian Wildcats
Central Arkansas Bears
Houston Baptist Huskies
Incarnate Word Cardinals
Lamar Cardinals
McNeese State Cowboys
Nicholls State Colonels
Northwestern State Demons
Sam Houston State Bearkats
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

SWAC
Alabama A&M Bulldogs
Alabama State Hornets
Alcorn State Braves
Arkansas Pine Bluff Golden Lions
Grambling State Tigers
Jackson State Tigers
Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils
Prairie View A&M Panthers
Southern Jaguars
Texas Southern Tigers


Independent
North Dakota Fighting Hawks -------> To MVFC in 2020
North Alabama Lions -------> To Big South in 2019

I think this does look a bit better.

SoCon
Chattanooga Mocs
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
Furman Paladins
Mercer Bears
Samford Bulldogs
The Citadel Bulldogs
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
Western Carolina Catamounts
Wofford Terriers

[Laker]

I haven't seen anything to the contrary so I assume that Savannah State is going D2 in 2019 and is still eligible for the MEAC title this year.

[Lion1983]

I thought Hampton was Indy in 2018...?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I thought Hampton was Indy in 2018...?

Did you read the links I posted on that subject? I couldn't find anything in there stating that. If you have a source for that I would be grateful if you directed me to it.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I haven't seen anything to the contrary so I assume that Savannah State is going D2 in 2019 and is still eligible for the MEAC title this year.

Yes, I think this is next years too.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I haven't seen anything to the contrary so I assume that Savannah State is going D2 in 2019 and is still eligible for the MEAC title this year.

They are on BethCook's schedule as a MEAC in 2018 so I think that puts this one to bed for the wondering we have.

http://bcuathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=football

[Lion1983]

Did you read the links I posted on that subject? I couldn't find anything in there stating that. If you have a source for that I would be grateful if you directed me to it.

I know it's wiki, but on Hampton football wiki page, it says Indy in 2018 and Big South 2019.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I know it's wiki, but on Hampton football wiki page, it says Indy in 2018 and Big South 2019.

Well as much as people bitch about and put down wiki they have a whole lot more correct than they ever have wrong and it gets corrected relatively quickly if it is wrong so I'm not one of the assholes that pretends it is all faulty. I appreciate the direction and will go check it out tonight.xthumbsupx

Like I mentioned earlier though we probably won't know for sure until the conference meetings and so forth.

[grizband]

Ursus, my opinion is that anyone competing in FCS football, regardless of conference affiliation, should be eligible for the AGS poll. I understand not everyone share's this opinion, just giving my two cents.

[ElCid]

Meant to quote you as well on that last one so chime in on it.

That's fits the format now. I know branding is important...."THE".......LOL......but uniformity is important as well.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Ursus, my opinion is that anyone competing in FCS football, regardless of conference affiliation, should be eligible for the AGS poll. I understand not everyone share's this opinion, just giving my two cents.

Anyone competing in FCS, regardless of conference is eligible for the poll if they are competing on the level playing field of FCS recruiting, scholarships, etc. I believe that the NCAA and also the conferences are more than capable of telling us when things are legit and as such that is what we go by. In other words I think we completely agree.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

That's fits the format now. I know branding is important...."THE".......LOL......but uniformity is important as well.

Simpatico my man.

[aceinthehole]

That's fits the format now. I know branding is important...."THE".......LOL......but uniformity is important as well.

Just a question, but ...

Central Connecticut State Blue Devils (CCSU)
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks (SEMO)
Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils (MVSU)

ETSU Buccaneers ???? (East Tennessee State Buccaneers)

Are they officially branding ETSU athletics without mention of the "East Tennessee State" similar to some FBS programs:

UCF - "Central Florida"
UCLA - "California at Los Angeles"
UNLV - "Nevada-Las Vegas"
USF - "South Florida"

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Just a question, but ...

Central Connecticut State Blue Devils (CCSU)
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks (SEMO)
Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils (MVSU)

ETSU Buccaneers ???? (East Tennessee State Buccaneers)

What is the question?

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?205868-2018-Team-Name-List-Need-Input&p=2627983&viewfull=1#post2627983

[ElCid]

Just a question, but ...

Central Connecticut State Blue Devils (CCSU)
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks (SEMO)
Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils (MVSU)

ETSU Buccaneers ???? (East Tennessee State Buccaneers)

Are they officially branding ETSU athletics without mention of the "East Tennessee State" similar to some FBS programs:

UCF - "Central Florida"
UCLA - "California at Los Angeles"
UNLV - "Nevada-Las Vegas"
USF - "South Florida"

Not sure. That was only a guess on my part, but I think they may prefer ETSU. East Tenn State Univ is a mouthful. ETSU rolls off the tongue. And spelled out, it highlights its directionalism. Kind of like the full, official name of The Citadel is "The Citadel, the Military College of South Carolina." Too long, too many words. Lots of schools have their preferences. UTC goes the other way I think. I believe they prefer Chattanooga rather than UTC. They went longer. It's interesting to see how schools brand themselves...might be a thread in that discussion.

[dgtw]

Chattanooga is trying to avoid being labeled as a “branch” campus.


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[LU808]

Lehigh - a Defense

[cx500d]

Lehigh - a Defense

what is “Two words usually not used in the same sentence?”


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[clenz]

Random thought I had making super tonight regarding the ETSU, school preference vs standard format.

Sacramento State isn’t actually Sacramento State. They’ve branded themselves as Sac State for about 14 years but they aren’t actually Sacramento State. They are California State University, Sacramento. Having them listed as Sac State is going by a branded preference.

Cal Poly isn’t actually Cal Poly. That’s a branding name. They are California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo. Which is actually part of the same CSU system as Sac State.

Albany is actually State University of New York at Albany.

Chattanooga falls under that as well.

Actually any school that’s part of a system is like that.

Hell NDSU is actually North Dakota State University of Agriculture and Applied Sciences,


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[UAalum72]

Albany is actually State University of New York at Albany.


Just as Stony Brook University is actually State University of New York at Stony Brook.

Albany's market name is
https://www.albany.edu/header_images/logo.gif,

and (over)uses the informal nickname UAlbany. I wish they'd only use UAlbany in a headline to distinguish it from Albany High or Albany's several minor league franchises, and just use "Albany" the rest of the time. And of course, half the time recruits and network or opposing announcers call us University OF Albany.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Random thought I had making super tonight regarding the ETSU, school preference vs standard format.

Sacramento State isn’t actually Sacramento State. They’ve branded themselves as Sac State for about 14 years but they aren’t actually Sacramento State. They are California State University, Sacramento. Having them listed as Sac State is going by a branded preference.

Cal Poly isn’t actually Cal Poly. That’s a branding name. They are California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo. Which is actually part of the same CSU system as Sac State.

Albany is actually State University of New York at Albany.

Chattanooga falls under that as well.

Actually any school that’s part of a system is like that.

Hell NDSU is actually North Dakota State University of Agriculture and Applied Sciences,


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I was not all that concerned with any of that back when I was setting up the poll docs and so forth and I wanted to keep it simple.

The most basic and recognizable scholl name, then the mascot.

I wanted to leave thing like "University" and extra's that are not needed out for simplicity. That is why Mercer University Bears seemed like a big outlier on the schedule. It was not that way on the AGS Poll team list.

So, I'm not really gonna go with branding too much I don't think as I'm not gonna be changing things if a school changes their mind. I knew Cal Poly before they were know as Cal Poly and that is the same with Sacramento State. So I'm not sure why it shouldn't be Sac State at this point. It seems to be an area where I had not thought about it and it is inconsistent so I think I will change it...cuz it's smaller and still is as easily recognizable I think.

I will change this one as well. I sure wish you had thought of this one day earlier as I started changing this all around yesterday. xlolx

Pretty simple fix I just have to remember to go do it on all the spots it need to be changed.

[clenz]

I was not all that concerned with any of that back when I was setting up the poll docs and so forth and I wanted to keep it simple.

The most basic and recognizable scholl name, then the mascot.

I wanted to leave thing like "University" and extra's that are not needed out for simplicity. That is why Mercer University Bears seemed like a big outlier on the schedule. It was not that way on the AGS Poll team list.

So, I'm not really gonna go with branding too much I don't think as I'm not gonna be changing things if a school changes their mind. I knew Cal Poly before they were know as Cal Poly and that is the same with Sacramento State. So I'm not sure why it shouldn't be Sac State at this point. It seems to be an area where I had not thought about it and it is inconsistent so I think I will change it...cuz it's smaller and still is as easily recognizable I think.

I will change this one as well. I sure wish you had thought of this one day earlier as I started changing this all around yesterday. xlolx

Pretty simple fix I just have to remember to go do it on all the spots it need to be changed.

I didn’t mean for any of them to change. It was just a random thought I had as I have had a ton of discussions with some UNI friends about UNI branding. How I hate the logo, use of yellow instead of old gold to actually match our actual school colors and glue UNIs athletic color is actually different than school colors. Which led into unformed discussions and how UNIs officia branding is now UNI. It’s not northern Iowa on the athletic side. Nothing UNI releases will/should say Northern Iowa, No. Iowa, N. Iowa, etc. Only UNI. Shockingly, 😂, this can turn into days and days long discussions with us - multiple times a month.

The only one I could see “changing” is deciding between Sac State and Sacramento State. I think Sac State is probably the right choice, but either works for this purpose. Going UNI on this purpose wouldn’t work as people would look for “northern iowa” and not UNI. It’s just one of the “things” I deal with in my head all day.


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Looks like as predicted, now that July is here we have an answer to the Hamption question.

http://hamptonpirates.com/news/2018/6/30/general-hampton-starts-big-south-conference-membership.aspx

[RootinFerDukes]

If you refer to ESPN's updated teams page, they have Hampton as an FCS Independent.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/teams

I think that press release from Hampton was in reference to their non-football sports immediately joining the big south, which is standard practice for most conferences lately.

Hampton also only has 3 current Big South teams on their 2018 schedule, so that also makes it clear they're not a member yet.

[RootinFerDukes]

Why is UND not considered a Big Sky member anymore but is still playing a full Big Sky schedule? All of those games are going to count as OOC for each team. That's a shame.

[Catbooster]

Why is UND not considered a Big Sky member anymore but is still playing a full Big Sky schedule? All of those games are going to count as OOC for each team. That's a shame.
IIRC, they count as conference games but UND can't win the conference.

[clenz]

Why is UND not considered a Big Sky member anymore but is still playing a full Big Sky schedule? All of those games are going to count as OOC for each team. That's a shame.

They are no longer a Big Sky member at all.

They are a Summit League member and have left the Big Sky. They are Indy with a scheduling arrangement with the Big Sky for 2 years until they join the MVFC in 2020.

They get no record for any BSC games. Think of it like Notre Dame and the ACC. They will play a ton of ACC teams but they have no conference record. I’m not sure if the BSC teams get to count them or not. Similar to when Liberty and CCU left the Big South in recent years.


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

They are no longer a Big Sky member at all.

They are a Summit League member and have left the Big Sky. They are Indy with a scheduling arrangement with the Bog Sky for 2 years until they join the MVFC in 2020.

They get no record for any BSC games. I’m not sure if the BSC teams get to count them or not. Similar to when Liberty and CCU left the Big South in recent years.


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They count on the BSC teams BSC conference record this year, not next I think was how it was determined. I think you nailed it down pretty good there with the explanation outside of that.

Everybody except UND gets conference credit is basically the simplest way to explain it I guess.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

If you refer to ESPN's updated teams page, they have Hampton as an FCS Independent.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/teams

I think that press release from Hampton was in reference to their non-football sports immediately joining the big south, which is standard practice for most conferences lately.

Hampton also only has 3 current Big South teams on their 2018 schedule, so that also makes it clear they're not a member yet.

Ah, that makes more sense now that i look at it through that lens.

[clenz]

They count on the BSC teams BSC conference record this year, not next I think was how it was determined. I think you nailed it down pretty good there with the explanation outside of that.

Everybody except UND gets conference credit is basically the simplest way to explain it I guess.
That's what I assumed it was but with it being a 2 year transition I had no idea how the Big Sky would handle records and hadn't looked. If they didn't/don't count them, with how unbalanced the Big Sky is with it's cavalcade of teams and a handful not playing everyone and issues that could cause.

[Tuna85]

They are no longer a Big Sky member at all.

They are a Summit League member and have left the Big Sky. They are Indy with a scheduling arrangement with the Bog Sky for 2 years until they join the MVFC in 2020.

They get no record for any BSC games. I’m not sure if the BSC teams get to count them or not. Similar to when Liberty and CCU left the Big South in recent years.


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Certainly a better transition than that of Hampton from the MEAC.

[ngineer]

As long as a school is FCS classification and eligible to win an FCS conference championship, then I think they should be in the poll.

[TheKingpin28]

As long as a school is FCS classification and eligible to win an FCS conference championship, then I think they should be in the poll.

So GFCC is out of the poll? I can get behind this.

However, as much as I would like that, it wouldn't matter anyway this season as they will be lucky to go 6-5.

-I see 3 locks for Ws in MVSU, UNC, and PSU
-I see 2 potential Ws in ISUo and SacSt (but they have stepped up their game)
-I see 1 toss-up in NAU
-I see 3 probable Ls in UM, Idaho, WSU
-I see 1 lock for an L in SHSU
-I see 1 obliteration for an L in Udubya

[ursus arctos horribilis]

As long as a school is FCS classification and eligible to win an FCS conference championship, then I think they should be in the poll.

That is the current rule. A team has to be eligible for either a conference title OR eligible for an at large bid. It's been that way here for a long time now.

[UNAPride]

I doubt UNA is going to be worth ranking this year anyway.

Well, for the first week of the season, you were wrong. But, could be right by the end.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Well, for the first week of the season, you were wrong. But, could be right by the end.

I think you had a very impressive win last weekend btw and that isn't an easy place to win so well done by UNA.

[JSUSoutherner]

Well, for the first week of the season, you were wrong. But, could be right by the end.

I'll take that L.

I'd throw you guys a vote if I could. Good job on the win.