FCS Imperialism Base Map

[BisonTru]

Saw this on Reddit. Kind of cool.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/7t4r4q/fcs_imperialism_base_map/

https://i.imgur.com/XcWKJc6.jpg

[RootinFerDukes]

It's a little crazy to see that parts of northern and eastern alaska are closer to EWU than PSU. The westernmost hawaiian island is closer to UC Davis.

Additionally, for all of the MVFC and BSC fans wondering why we don't schedule more out west, simply look at this map for your answer. Would you?

Edit: I see UNA has been added and I wondered about Savannah State. This 2018 season is their final year in FCS.

[Wildcat1997]

It's cool to see ACU have so much land. Too bad we're likely gonna lose it early in the season lol.

[TheKingpin28]

Saw this on Reddit. Kind of cool.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/7t4r4q/fcs_imperialism_base_map/

https://i.imgur.com/XcWKJc6.jpgGFCC has that and nothing else. Anyone who thinks that they have half if not more of North Dakota is completely wrong.

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[Twentysix]

too bad ORU doesn't play football. An oklahoma based fcs school would be pretty neat.

[Twentysix]

GFCC has that and nothing else. Anyone who thinks that they have half if not more of North Dakota is completely wrong.

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Imperialism is based on distance to football stadiums not fan support.

[JSUSoutherner]

KSU is going to end up with a whole lot of OVC land in November.

[BisonTru]

Imperialism is based on distance to football stadiums not fan support.

This.

Also, last year some folks did a FBS imperialism map that started out this way and as the season went on if you beat another school you won their territories. Not sure if the author is planning the same, but maybe.

[Twentysix]

KSU is going to end up with a whole lot of OVC land in November.

is a school around them leaving the FCS?

[F'N Hawks]

GFCC has that and nothing else. Anyone who thinks that they have half if not more of North Dakota is completely wrong.

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xbawlingxxbawlingxxviolinx

[IBleedYellow]

This.

Also, last year some folks did a FBS imperialism map that started out this way and as the season went on if you beat another school you won their territories. Not sure if the author is planning the same, but maybe.


That's the entire point of the project from what I talked to the OP on Reddit about.

I think they want to do the 2017 season too. :)

[IBleedYellow]

GFCC has that and nothing else. Anyone who thinks that they have half if not more of North Dakota is completely wrong.

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I see you learned what "Imperialism" is during your 7 years @ NDSU.

[TheKingpin28]

Imperialism is based on distance to football stadiums not fan support.

You learn something new every day.

When I think of Imperialism, I think of territory in relation to the land that is most influenced by said user through use of policy, persuasion, economics, and/or military force.

So in this case, it would be persuasion.

[BisonTru]

That's the entire point of the project from what I talked to the OP on Reddit about.

I think they want to do the 2017 season too. :)

I think this idea would be really cool if you started at the beginning of the playoffs. Base map would be the 24 teams and their territories (closest counties) and then the same format (win territories) as the playoffs move along.

[TheKingpin28]

I see you learned what "Imperialism" is during your 7 years @ NDSU.


You learn something new every day.

When I think of Imperialism, I think of territory in relation to the land that is most influenced by said user through use of policy, persuasion, economics, and/or military force.

So in this case, it would be persuasion.

^ So yes, I did learn Imperialism, but I guess not in this sense.

[JSUSoutherner]

is a school around them leaving the FCS?
For the imperialism map, when a team beats another team they take their land. When JSU beats Samford, JSU will take Sanford’s land. When JSU gets wrecked in the 2nd round that team will take all our land.

and so on and so forth.

[gregatim]

Imperialism is based on distance to football stadiums not fan support.

Well then the guy that made this map needs to check his ruler. There Is absolutely no part of Stark, Billings, Golden Valley, or Slope counties "closer" to the Alerhole than the beautiful confines of the Fabulous Fargo Dome.

[caribbeanhen]

can anyone see the little Hornet on Delaware.... not good

[POD Knows]

Well then the guy that made this map needs to check his ruler. There Is absolutely no part of Stark, Billings, Golden Valley, or Slope counties "closer" to the Alerhole than the beautiful confines of the Fabulous Fargo Dome.I show Grand Forks, as the crow flies, at 246 miles to the "closest " country border of Stark and Fargo is 251, I would have never though it was even close .

[SCPALADIN]

Wofford should take over about 80% of the Presbyterian part of South Carolina.

[FUBeAR]

Wofford should take over about 80% of the Presbyterian part of South Carolina.Presbyterian will still be FCS when they transition to the Pioneer Football League from the Big South - just like San Diego, Jacksonville, Stetson, Butler, Campbell (for now), Drake, Morehead State, Marist, Davidson, Valparaiso, and Dayton are today.

[Twentysix]

I show Grand Forks, as the crow flies, at 246 miles to the "closest " country border of Stark and Fargo is 251, I would have never though it was even close .It uses geographical centers regarding the weird shapes of counties

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[Model Citizen]

It would be interesting to see numbers of alumni, by FCS school, living in metro Chicago. Illinois State probably #1. Then who?

[Lion1983]

For the imperialism map, when a team beats another team they take their land. When JSU beats Samford, JSU will take Sanford’s land. When JSU gets wrecked in the 2nd round that team will take all our land.

and so on and so forth.

Buy that, UNA and JSU would end up splitting the state of Alabama.

[ST_Lawson]

The thread is over here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/7t4r4q/fcs_imperialism_base_map/

He explains his methodology and source of all of his data over there. Some of us have helped him out with a few errors (he forgot EIU and he had WIU two full latitude degrees further north, so ILSU actually "had" the county that WIU is in) that he's fixed now. Someone from the FCS subreddit is planning on updating it throughout the season.

This was the final FBS map from last season (note the bit of NDSU over on the east coast, down in Texas, and a bit of Georgia...they ended up owning ECU, Baylor, and Georgia State's territories due to FCS teams beating those teams, then someone beating that team, etc. until NDSU beat the team that held the territory): https://i.imgur.com/ctHkMA2.jpg

Like, JMU beat ECU, so they took their territory, then at the end, NDSU beat JMU and took that territory for the northerners. Despite steamrolling Coastal Carolina, WIU didn't get any territory because by that game, CCU had already lost to UAB at that point, so the Blazers owned their territory.

Also funny...App State owns much of Michigan...which you might remember they did once when they were still FCS ;)

[MR. CHICKEN]

can anyone see the little Hornet on Delaware.... not good


......HORNET IS LARGER DAN...YOU-DEE........DEY DON'T EVEN HAVE UH HEAD COACH!!..........xsighx.........BRAWK!

[Cocky]

We will own the world, then the playoffs will start.

[PAllen]

Honestly though, shouldn't this map be mostly blank with a few colored dots here and there?

[IBleedYellow]

We will own the world, then the playoffs will start.You misspelled Kennesaw State

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[TheValleyRaider]

I remember seeing this during the season. It's a fun idea to keep track of, but gives some really weird results.

Look at this one from the FBS, and ask yourself who you would guess won the title: Bama, tOSU, or Pitt?


This was the final FBS map from last season (note the bit of NDSU over on the east coast, down in Texas, and a bit of Georgia...they ended up owning ECU, Baylor, and Georgia State's territories due to FCS teams beating those teams, then someone beating that team, etc. until NDSU beat the team that held the territory): https://i.imgur.com/ctHkMA2.jpg

I'd be curious to see how an FCS one plays out over a season, as the larger playoff probably makes that more intuitive to look at. But then again, maybe not...

[Sader87]

I'm kind of lost by the methodology....there is no way Brown football dominates Cape Cod.

[ST_Lawson]

I'm kind of lost by the methodology....there is no way Brown football dominates Cape Cod.

He explains it in the reddit post. Essentially, he took this list of counties (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_J/County_table) and used the coordinates given (which are the geographic center of each county) and ran the numbers for proximity to FCS stadiums. In the case of Cape Cod (Barnstable County), the geographic midpoint is actually in the middle of the bay, since cape cod curls around it (https://goo.gl/maps/Q4yURSr3DN82). The distance from that point to Brown Stadium is exactly 61 miles. The only other school close enough to "compete" is Harvard, and their stadium is 61.19 miles from that point....so, Brown claims Barnstable County.

When Brown loses their first game of the season, whomever beats them will claim Barnstable and any other counties they "control".

It's not a measure of fanbases or anything, it's purely based on proximity to each university's stadium.


Honestly though, shouldn't this map be mostly blank with a few colored dots here and there?

He assigned every county in the US to whichever FCS stadium is closest in proximity to the geographic midpoint of the county. That is that university's "territory".

EDIT - just fyi, I also asked the guy to run numbers with his spreadsheet showing total population for each team's "territory" as well as square mileage. You can view those rankings here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/7t4r4q/fcs_imperialism_base_map/dta4hz6/

San Diego has the largest population....they've got San Diego, most of Los Angeles...about 20.5m people.
Actually the top 3 are all Pioneer League teams: San Diego, Valpo (has Chicago, Milwaukee, most of Michigan outside of Detroit), and Stetson (Orlando, Tampa, Miami).
Portland State wins total land area with large chunks of Oregon and Washington...but really, they own most of Alaska, so that kinda blows everyone else away (they have nearly 3 times the land area of the #2 team, Northern Colorado).

[Sader87]

Kind of silly.....HC once owned most of Central and Western Massachusetts legitimately....people in Eastern Mass. were not (or are not) Harvard fans for the most part.

[caribbeanhen]

......HORNET IS LARGER DAN...YOU-DEE........DEY DON'T EVEN HAVE UH HEAD COACH!!..........xsighx.........BRAWK!

Rumors abound that they are dropping football, probably a wise move

[ST_Lawson]

Kind of silly.....HC once owned most of Central and Western Massachusetts legitimately....people in Eastern Mass. were not (or are not) Harvard fans for the most part.

It has nothing to do with who's fans are where. It's not like there's a ton of South Dakota fans in north-central Kansas. This is entirely based on geographic location.

Does Holy Cross have more fans in far western Mass than Albany?....most likely. Do they have more fans on the cape than Brown?...probably. But that's not the point of this map.

The county where Columbia, MO is located is purple for WIU, but I can promise you, the vast majority of people who are college football fans there are Mizzou fans and of those that are FCS fans in Columbia, more of them are Missouri State fans than Western Illinois fans. Probably more Southeast Missouri State fans there too, and maybe even more Southern Illinois fans. So in terms of the # of fans for each FCS team in that county, WIU is probably #3 or #4. But geographically, it is closest to Western Illinois than the others, so it's purple.

[TheValleyRaider]

Seeing this debate over what would represent a "good" map as a starting point for this sort of thing, I recall some maps put together for professional leagues that showed who were the most popular teams in each counties. I believe they used Facebook followers to calculate who "won" each county, and you got a map that fit what most people would expect for geography (with a few interesting divisions).

Found them, or at least an Atlantic article on the NFL map: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/09/the-geography-of-nfl-fandom/379729/

I don't know that such a map would work as well for FCS programs, as it wouldn't surprise me if there are a number of counties where our schools don't have followers (at least on social media). Obviously larger schools with bigger alumni bases will probably be more likely to have counties, depending on how spread out their alumni bases go. I suspect this would also skew heavily toward younger alumni, which might create some unexpected changes from what people expect to be true. Do younger HC alumni, for example, feel as strongly about their football team as young Albany fans (to use two schools named above)?

[Milktruck74]

For the imperialism map, when a team beats another team they take their land. When JSU beats Samford, JSU will take Sanford’s land. When JSU gets wrecked in the 2nd round that team will take all our land.

and so on and so forth.


This would be pretty cool to watch as the season unfolds...Somebody with a ton of time on their hands could do it....not me....If you lose a home game, you lose your home, how would you gain it back? It would be interesting to see a team have lots of land and none of it be their home...I guess the key is to just win all of them!!!!

[ST_Lawson]

This would be pretty cool to watch as the season unfolds...Somebody with a ton of time on their hands could do it....not me....If you lose a home game, you lose your home, how would you gain it back? It would be interesting to see a team have lots of land and none of it be their home...I guess the key is to just win all of them!!!!

That's the plan. There's a guy on reddit who's going to update it each week throughout the season. I'll try to post each week's map.

A team could lose their territory and gain it back if the schedule allows. Say for example, NDSU loses their land to SDSU early in a season. But then later UNI beats SDSU, taking all of SDSU's land. Then NDSU beats UNI after that...NDSU gets their land back, plus any that UNI and SDSU had picked up along the way.


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[Redbird 4th & short]

So to show how far behind college campus demographics (at least FCS) are compared to actual population demographics .. which given many colleges are 90+ years old isn't surprising .. the current population center of US is in southern center of Missouri and has been Missouri since 1970's .. note, Mascoutah, IL is right on Missouri-Illinois border. But interesting how the population center has shifted over the decades. That's a pretty large disconnect from population center, but certainly explains some of the difficulties with determining regional FCS pairings.



US Census
County
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1790 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1790_United_States_Census)
Kent County, Maryland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_County,_Maryland)[a] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-a-4)
23 miles east of Baltimore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland)
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1800 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1800_United_States_Census)
Howard County, Maryland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_County,_Maryland)
18 miles west of Baltimore
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1810 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1810_United_States_Census)
Loudoun County, Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudoun_County,_Virginia)
40 miles northwest by west of Washington, D.C. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.)
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1820 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1820_United_States_Census)
Hardy County, West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy_County,_West_Virginia)[b] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-b-5)
16 miles east of Moorefield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorefield,_West_Virginia)
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1830 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1830_United_States_Census)
Grant County, West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_County,_West_Virginia)[b] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-b-5)
19 miles west-southwest of Moorefield
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1840 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1840_United_States_Census)
Upshur County, West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upshur_County,_West_Virginia)[b] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-b-5)
16 miles south of Clarksburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarksburg,_West_Virginia)
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1850 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1850_United_States_Census)
Wirt County, West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirt_County,_West_Virginia)[b] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-b-5)
23 miles southeast of Parkersburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkersburg,_West_Virginia)
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1860 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_Census)
Pike County, Ohio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_County,_Ohio)
20 miles south by east of Chillicothe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chillicothe,_Ohio)
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1870 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1870_United_States_Census)
Highland County, Ohio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_County,_Ohio)
48 miles east by north of Cincinnati (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati,_Ohio)
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1880 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1880_United_States_Census)
Boone County, Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boone_County,_Kentucky)
8 miles west by south of Cincinnati
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1890 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_United_States_Census)
Decatur County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decatur_County,_Indiana)
20 miles east of Columbus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus,_Indiana)
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1900 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_United_States_Census)
Bartholomew County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartholomew_County,_Indiana)
6 miles southeast of Columbus
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.16000°N 85.81500°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.16000_N_85.81500_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1910 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1910_United_States_Census)
Monroe County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_County,_Indiana)
in the city of Bloomington (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomington,_Indiana)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.17000°N 86.53889°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.17000_N_86.53889_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1920 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_United_States_Census)
Owen County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_County,_Indiana)
8 miles south-southeast of Spencer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer,_Indiana)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.17250°N 86.72083°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.17250_N_86.72083_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1930 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930_United_States_Census)
Greene County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greene_County,_Indiana)
3 miles northeast of Linton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linton,_Indiana)
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1940 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_United_States_Census)
Sullivan County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_County,_Indiana)
2 miles southeast by east of Carlisle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlisle,_Indiana)
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1950 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950_United_States_Census)
Richland County, Illinois (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richland_County,_Illinois)[c] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-c-6)
Clay County, Illinois (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_County,_Illinois)[d] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-d-7)
8 miles north-northwest of Olney (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olney,_Illinois)
3 miles northeast of Louisville (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville,_Illinois)
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1960 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_Census)
Clinton County, Illinois (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_County,_Illinois)[e] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-e-8)
6.5 miles northwest of Centralia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia,_Illinois)
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1970 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_United_States_Census)
St. Clair County, Illinois (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Clair_County,_Illinois)
5 miles east-southeast of Mascoutah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascoutah,_Illinois)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png38.46306°N 89.70611°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=38.46306_N_89.70611_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1980 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_Census)
Jefferson County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_County,_Missouri)
0.3 mile west of DeSoto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeSoto,_Missouri)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png38.13694°N 90.57389°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=38.13694_N_90.57389_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1990 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_United_States_Census)
Crawford County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_County,_Missouri)
9.7 miles southeast of Steelville (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steelville,_Missouri)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png37.87222°N 91.21528°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=37.87222_N_91.21528_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


2000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_Census)
Phelps County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phelps_County,_Missouri)
2.8 miles east of Edgar Springs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Springs,_Missouri)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png37.696987°N 91.809567°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=37.696987_N_91.809567_W_region:US_type:land mark)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-press-3)


2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Census)
Texas County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_County,_Missouri)
2.7 miles northeast of Plato (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato,_Missouri)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png37.517534°N 92.173096°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=37.517534_N_92.173096_W_region:US_type:land mark)[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-9)


2017 (estimated)
Wright County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_County,_Missouri)
11.3 miles southwest of Plato
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png37.411764°N 92.394544°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=37.411764_N_92.394544_W_region:US_type:land mark)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-zakrewsky-10)


2020 (projected)
Wright County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_County,_Missouri)
8.5 miles north/northeast of Hartville (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartville,_Missouri)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png37.371644°N 92.478542°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=37.371644_N_92.478542_W_region:US_type:land mark)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-zakrewsky-10)




Saw this on Reddit. Kind of cool.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/7t4r4q/fcs_imperialism_base_map/

https://i.imgur.com/XcWKJc6.jpg

[PAllen]

So to show how far behind college campus demographics (at least FCS) are compared to actual population demographics .. which given many colleges are 90+ years old isn't surprising .. the current population center of US is in southern center of Missouri and has been Missouri since 1970's .. note, Mascoutah, IL is right on Missouri-Illinois border. But interesting how the population center has shifted over the decades. That's a pretty large disconnect from population center, but certainly explains some of the difficulties with determining regional FCS pairings.



US Census
County
Location description[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-calculation-2)
Decimal coordinates[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-calculation-2)


1790 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1790_United_States_Census)
Kent County, Maryland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_County,_Maryland)[a] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-a-4)
23 miles east of Baltimore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.27500°N 76.18667°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.27500_N_76.18667_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1800 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1800_United_States_Census)
Howard County, Maryland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_County,_Maryland)
18 miles west of Baltimore
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1810 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1810_United_States_Census)
Loudoun County, Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudoun_County,_Virginia)
40 miles northwest by west of Washington, D.C. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.19167°N 77.62000°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.19167_N_77.62000_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1820 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1820_United_States_Census)
Hardy County, West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy_County,_West_Virginia)[b] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-b-5)
16 miles east of Moorefield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorefield,_West_Virginia)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.09500°N 78.55000°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.09500_N_78.55000_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1830 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1830_United_States_Census)
Grant County, West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_County,_West_Virginia)[b] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-b-5)
19 miles west-southwest of Moorefield
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png38.96500°N 79.28167°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=38.96500_N_79.28167_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1840 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1840_United_States_Census)
Upshur County, West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upshur_County,_West_Virginia)[b] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-b-5)
16 miles south of Clarksburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarksburg,_West_Virginia)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.03333°N 80.30000°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.03333_N_80.30000_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1850 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1850_United_States_Census)
Wirt County, West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirt_County,_West_Virginia)[b] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-b-5)
23 miles southeast of Parkersburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkersburg,_West_Virginia)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png38.98333°N 81.31667°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=38.98333_N_81.31667_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1860 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_Census)
Pike County, Ohio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_County,_Ohio)
20 miles south by east of Chillicothe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chillicothe,_Ohio)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.00667°N 82.81333°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.00667_N_82.81333_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1870 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1870_United_States_Census)
Highland County, Ohio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_County,_Ohio)
48 miles east by north of Cincinnati (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati,_Ohio)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.20000°N 83.59500°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.20000_N_83.59500_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1880 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1880_United_States_Census)
Boone County, Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boone_County,_Kentucky)
8 miles west by south of Cincinnati
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.06889°N 84.66111°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.06889_N_84.66111_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1890 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_United_States_Census)
Decatur County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decatur_County,_Indiana)
20 miles east of Columbus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus,_Indiana)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.19889°N 85.54806°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.19889_N_85.54806_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1900 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_United_States_Census)
Bartholomew County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartholomew_County,_Indiana)
6 miles southeast of Columbus
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.16000°N 85.81500°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.16000_N_85.81500_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1910 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1910_United_States_Census)
Monroe County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_County,_Indiana)
in the city of Bloomington (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomington,_Indiana)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.17000°N 86.53889°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.17000_N_86.53889_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1920 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_United_States_Census)
Owen County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_County,_Indiana)
8 miles south-southeast of Spencer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer,_Indiana)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.17250°N 86.72083°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.17250_N_86.72083_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1930 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930_United_States_Census)
Greene County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greene_County,_Indiana)
3 miles northeast of Linton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linton,_Indiana)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png39.06250°N 87.13500°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=39.06250_N_87.13500_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1940 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_United_States_Census)
Sullivan County, Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_County,_Indiana)
2 miles southeast by east of Carlisle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlisle,_Indiana)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png38.94833°N 87.37639°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=38.94833_N_87.37639_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1950 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950_United_States_Census)
Richland County, Illinois (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richland_County,_Illinois)[c] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-c-6)
Clay County, Illinois (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_County,_Illinois)[d] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-d-7)
8 miles north-northwest of Olney (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olney,_Illinois)
3 miles northeast of Louisville (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville,_Illinois)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png38.83917°N 88.15917°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=38.83917_N_88.15917_W_region:US_type:landma rk)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png38.80417°N 88.36889°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=38.80417_N_88.36889_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1960 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_Census)
Clinton County, Illinois (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_County,_Illinois)[e] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-e-8)
6.5 miles northwest of Centralia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia,_Illinois)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png38.59944°N 89.20972°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=38.59944_N_89.20972_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1970 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_United_States_Census)
St. Clair County, Illinois (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Clair_County,_Illinois)
5 miles east-southeast of Mascoutah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascoutah,_Illinois)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png38.46306°N 89.70611°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=38.46306_N_89.70611_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1980 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_Census)
Jefferson County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_County,_Missouri)
0.3 mile west of DeSoto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeSoto,_Missouri)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png38.13694°N 90.57389°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=38.13694_N_90.57389_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


1990 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_United_States_Census)
Crawford County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_County,_Missouri)
9.7 miles southeast of Steelville (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steelville,_Missouri)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png37.87222°N 91.21528°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=37.87222_N_91.21528_W_region:US_type:landma rk)


2000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_Census)
Phelps County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phelps_County,_Missouri)
2.8 miles east of Edgar Springs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Springs,_Missouri)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png37.696987°N 91.809567°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=37.696987_N_91.809567_W_region:US_type:land mark)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-press-3)


2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Census)
Texas County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_County,_Missouri)
2.7 miles northeast of Plato (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato,_Missouri)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png37.517534°N 92.173096°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=37.517534_N_92.173096_W_region:US_type:land mark)[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-9)


2017 (estimated)
Wright County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_County,_Missouri)
11.3 miles southwest of Plato
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png37.411764°N 92.394544°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=37.411764_N_92.394544_W_region:US_type:land mark)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-zakrewsky-10)


2020 (projected)
Wright County, Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_County,_Missouri)
8.5 miles north/northeast of Hartville (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartville,_Missouri)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png37.371644°N 92.478542°W (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Mean_center_of_the_United_Sta tes_population&params=37.371644_N_92.478542_W_region:US_type:land mark)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population#cite_n ote-zakrewsky-10)




The problem is that counties like Howard and Loudon are larger than many of the cities referenced in the second column. Heck, Loudon may be 40 miles from DC, but it abuts Fairfax County which has more people than the entire state of North Dakota. Howard County is sandwiched between two such counties in Baltimore County and Montgomery.

[katss07]

Wow. Villanova owns an entire county.

[Milktruck74]

That's the plan. There's a guy on reddit who's going to update it each week throughout the season. I'll try to post each week's map.

A team could lose their territory and gain it back if the schedule allows. Say for example, NDSU loses their land to SDSU early in a season. But then later UNI beats SDSU, taking all of SDSU's land. Then NDSU beats UNI after that...NDSU gets their land back, plus any that UNI and SDSU had picked up along the way.


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So, the big question is if you beat Jax State, do you actually have to take Calhoun County? Nobody really want's that S#**hole (as DJT was say), Except Cooters Rib Shack!!!!

[SCPALADIN]

Presbyterian will still be FCS when they transition to the Pioneer Football League from the Big South - just like San Diego, Jacksonville, Stetson, Butler, Campbell (for now), Drake, Morehead State, Marist, Davidson, Valparaiso, and Dayton are today.
I'm aware. My point is that PC shouldn't take up almost half the upstate...had nothing to do with them moving to the Pioneer.

[Tuna85]

[QUOTE=Lion1983;2606612]Buy that, UNA and JSU would end up splitting the state of Alabama.[/QUOTE

Really like seeing UNA on the map. Like the idea of a map showing the winners taking the territory of the loser on the map. Would be interesting for UNA. This is our transition year so we are unable to compete for Big South Conference and Natty playoffs. Should we win the FCS games, do we get to keep the territory when all is said and done? Currently appears 2018 will have 6 away FCS games (including last year's FCS champs) and 4 home D2 (including last year's D2 runner up).

[Twentysix]

[QUOTE=Lion1983;2606612]Buy that, UNA and JSU would end up splitting the state of Alabama.[/QUOTE

Really like seeing UNA on the map. Like the idea of a map showing the winners taking the territory of the loser on the map. Would be interesting for UNA. This is our transition year so we are unable to compete for Big South Conference and Natty playoffs. Should we win the FCS games, do we get to keep the territory when all is said and done? Currently appears 2018 will have 6 away FCS games (including last year's FCS champs) and 4 home D2 (including last year's D2 runner up).If you win out, yep. NDSU holds FBS territory at the end of the year for 2017.

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[Milktruck74]

The whole county IS Cooters Rib Shack.

Take away the population of school, and the whole county can fit in Cooter's.

[JSUSoutherner]

So, the big question is if you beat Jax State, do you actually have to take Calhoun County? Nobody really want's that S#**hole (as DJT was say), Except Cooters Rib Shack!!!!
The whole county IS Cooters Rib Shack.

[Cocky]

http://www.areavibes.com/compare-results/?place1=Chattanooga%2C%20TN&place2=Jacksonville%2C%20AL

Education difference is huge!

[walliver]

I'm aware. My point is that PC shouldn't take up almost half the upstate...had nothing to do with them moving to the Pioneer.

The reason PC has so much territory is that there is no FCS team south of Clinnon until you reach Orangeburg, no team to the west until you reach Macon.

It probably doesn't really matter since the most popular team in Greenville and Spartanburg wears gaudy orange paws.

[Mayville Bison]

Seeing this debate over what would represent a "good" map as a starting point for this sort of thing, I recall some maps put together for professional leagues that showed who were the most popular teams in each counties. I believe they used Facebook followers to calculate who "won" each county, and you got a map that fit what most people would expect for geography (with a few interesting divisions).

Found them, or at least an Atlantic article on the NFL map: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/09/the-geography-of-nfl-fandom/379729/

I don't know that such a map would work as well for FCS programs, as it wouldn't surprise me if there are a number of counties where our schools don't have followers (at least on social media). Obviously larger schools with bigger alumni bases will probably be more likely to have counties, depending on how spread out their alumni bases go. I suspect this would also skew heavily toward younger alumni, which might create some unexpected changes from what people expect to be true. Do younger HC alumni, for example, feel as strongly about their football team as young Albany fans (to use two schools named above)?

Poor Jets

[BisonBacker]

GFCC has that and nothing else. Anyone who thinks that they have half if not more of North Dakota is completely wrong.

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Fixed it to be more realistic.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27019&stc=1

[TheKingpin28]

Fixed it to be more realistic.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27019&stc=1

That looks more appropriate.

That said, wouldn't you need to include Fargo South and all of South Dakota as well? :D

[Thumper 76]

Fixed it to be more realistic.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27019&stc=1

Fun fact, there’s approximately five people in Northern WI who even know NDSU exists.


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[clenz]

Fun fact. I grew up in NW Iowa. No one there knows NDSU exists either.


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[POD Knows]

Fun fact, there’s approximately five people in Northern WI who even know NDSU exists.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAnd, you would be wrong, I was out by Wausau, WI on business about a month ago and the people I talked to, when they found out I lived by Fargo, all asked me if I was a Bison fan. Quite a few WI guys from that part of the country play for the Bison. Now, I doubt that anybody in Rhinelander has a clue, they are only sober or coherent up there for a few minutes a day.

[Thumper 76]

And, you would be wrong, I was out by Wausau, WI on business about a month ago and the people I talked to, when they found out I lived by Fargo, all asked me if I was a Bison fan. Quite a few WI guys from that part of the country play for the Bison. Now, I doubt that anybody in Rhinelander has a clue, they are only sober or coherent up there for a few minutes a day.

Wausau is central Wisconsin xcoffeex


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[POD Knows]

Wausau is central Wisconsin xcoffeex


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNice try, Wausau is about 30 to 40 miles north of the line that divides Wisconsin.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27023&stc=1

[Thumper 76]

Nice try, Wausau is about 30 to 40 miles north of the line that divides Wisconsin.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27023&stc=1

Ok, I’ll bite. How is 30 miles from dead center not central? Northern WI and the Northwoods starts at highway 8 in many different ways, socially, state funding wise, economically, and geographically.


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[POD Knows]

Ok, I’ll bite. How is 30 miles from dead center not central? Northern WI and the Northwoods starts at highway 8 in many different ways, socially, state funding wise, economically, and geographically.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkTake a look at the northern most point of WI and look at the circle and then see where the circle ends south of Bucky Badger commie land. Wausau is located in the northern half of the state and I was being generous with the circle. Are the people in Wausau as sheltered and inbred as the folks in Ashland and Rhinelander, probably not but they are still in the north half of the state.

[PAllen]

Nice try, Wausau is about 30 to 40 miles north of the line that divides Wisconsin.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27023&stc=1

I'd call that central.

[ElCid]

I'm aware. My point is that PC shouldn't take up almost half the upstate...had nothing to do with them moving to the Pioneer.

It has nothing to do with how good someone is. Just miles and a radius from a centerpoint. Same goes for CSU. They have most of the low country because they are a few miles inland from us.

Kind of cool map, but it is only a geewiz thing. No basis in on-field reality, recruiting, fan base, etc.

[Thumper 76]

Take a look at the northern most point of WI and look at the circle and then see where the circle ends south of Bucky Badger commie land. Wausau is located in the northern half of the state and I was being generous with the circle. Are the people in Wausau as sheltered and inbred as the folks in Ashland and Rhinelander, probably not but they are still in the north half of the state.
Except your arguing based on halves when WI, unlike the Dakotas, is broken into thirds generally.

I'd call that central.
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[TheKingpin28]

Nice try, Wausau is about 30 to 40 miles north of the line that divides Wisconsin.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27023&stc=1


Ok, I’ll bite. How is 30 miles from dead center not central? Northern WI and the Northwoods starts at highway 8 in many different ways, socially, state funding wise, economically, and geographically.


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Oh ****. Not this **** again.

[TheKingpin28]

Nice try, Wausau is about 30 to 40 miles north of the line that divides Wisconsin.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27023&stc=1


Fun fact, there’s approximately five people in Northern WI who even know NDSU exists.


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Can I guess who they are? xlolx

[PAllen]

Except your arguing based on halves when WI, unlike the Dakotas, is broken into thirds generally.

xnodx



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Is this like an "Upstate NY" where everything north of the Madison metro area is considered northern WI?

[Bisonator]

Fun fact, there’s approximately five people in Northern WI who even know NDSU exists.


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That's five more then know SDSU exists so we got that going for us which is nice.:D

[Bisonator]

Fun fact. I grew up in NW Iowa. No one there knows NDSU exists either.


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They don't even know UNI exists.xlolx

[clenz]

They don't even know UNI exists.xlolx
Not true. NW Iowa - and Sioux Falls has produced a couple All Americans at UNI the last decade or so. Still landing people from Lyon County

[Professor Chaos]

Not true. NW Iowa - and Sioux Falls has produced a couple All Americans at UNI the last decade or so. Still landing people from Lyon County
This guy from Council Bluffs was also an All-American fullback in 2015.

http://www.inforum.com/sites/default/files/styles/16x9_620/public/field/image/X004_4403_9.JPG


And this guy from Sioux Falls was an All-American OL in 2017.

http://www.inforum.com/sites/default/files/styles/16x9_620/public/field/image/X058_3D90_9.JPG

[Thumper 76]

Is this like an "Upstate NY" where everything north of the Madison metro area is considered northern WI?
If you’re from Chicago or Milwaukee/Madison then yes. If you’re from anywhere else in the state, then no. There’s the Northwoods (north), central, and southern.

That's five more then know SDSU exists so we got that going for us which is nice.:D

Technically my family knows SDSU because I went there, so that’s 8 ;) xlolx


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[ST_Lawson]

People do the same thing with Illinois. If it's south of I-80, Chicago area people consider it "southern Illinois": https://goo.gl/maps/qbhx4z3zdp22

[melloware13]

Is this like an "Upstate NY" where everything north of the Madison metro area is considered northern WI?
"Upstate NY" aka North of The Bronx. It's tough to argue that anything north of 84 isn't upstate though.

[TheValleyRaider]

"Upstate NY" aka North of The Bronx. It's tough to argue that anything north of 84 isn't upstate though.

Ask someone from Buffalo or Syracuse xlolx

[phoenix3]

Campbell xlmaox