Tim Hardaway comments [Archive] - AnyGivenSaturday.com

Go Lehigh TU Owl

February 14th, 2007, 11:33 PM

Did anyone hear Tim Hardaway's comments today about John Amaechi? Talk about an ignorant *****. I can't believe he would say this stuff about another human being. Someone needs to lock him in a gay bar or send him to the gay games with Ozzie Guillen.

"You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known," Hardaway said. "I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

"And second of all, if he was on my team, I would, you know, really distance myself from him because, uh, I don't think that's right. And you know I don't think he should be in the locker room while we're in the locker room. I wouldn't even be a part of that."

PantherRob82

February 14th, 2007, 11:38 PM

He used to have a club in this area called Tim Hardaway's Club Marquee. Lot's of stuff went down there.

He also played for a minor league team here.

I Bleed Purple

February 14th, 2007, 11:55 PM

He just ruined any media career he may have been pursuing.

89Hen

February 15th, 2007, 01:48 PM

Peems

February 15th, 2007, 02:39 PM

:confused: Do you think that would change the way he feels?

no it wouldnt, and adding to that today he came out(hehe) with a public apology saying he shouldnt of said that yada yada yada. But as you pointed out it doesnt change the way he feels, its just him admitting he shouldnt of said what he feels out loud. Apologies will not change the way a person thinks, conversation and dialogue will at least help

89Hen

February 15th, 2007, 02:55 PM

Cleets

February 15th, 2007, 03:16 PM

Now I'm going to get in trouble if I don't tread carefully, but do people really need to accept all other groups of people?

This is like the flag burning debate. I find flag burning despicable and I could never respect a person that burns a flag. However I do respect the right of a person to burn the flag. I can't imagine agreeing with Hardaway, I don't respect him for his comments, but should be have to apologize for his comments? Tough call. :twocents:

I agree, if that's the way you feel don't apologize... but don't expect much in return...

Nobody wants a hollow apology... (save it)

More like: "I'm sorry my opinions make people uncomfotable but I'm not going to lie to you"

Done...

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jstate83

February 15th, 2007, 03:20 PM

I agree, if that's the way you feel don't apologize... but don't expect much in return...

Nobody wants a hollow apology... (save it)

More like: "I'm sorry my opinions make people uncomfotable but I'm not going to lie to you"

Done...

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That was a "Future Paycheck" apology.
He ain't gonna change the way he feels.

Oh well................He rich enough to survive without another gig so I won't be worring about T. H. living on the street. :twocents:

B&G

February 15th, 2007, 03:29 PM

He probably grew up with kids calling him Tim Harda-gay so now he hates homosexuals. He is the victim here people!

Cleets

February 15th, 2007, 03:35 PM

He probably grew up with kids calling him Tim Harda-gay so now he hates homosexuals. He is the victim here people!

I seriously doubt that...
and he's not the victim nor is he playing that part... Go stir up ****e elswhere

To Jsate83: Financial freedom (such as his) allows for him to speak his mind... they asked him a question... he answered honestly...

Is it going to stir up some back-lash (You bet) does he really care about that (probably not)

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Mountaineer

February 15th, 2007, 03:35 PM

He definitely should have kept his mouth shut. I don't agree with what he said, but he has every right to think what he wants. In the PC world we live in nowadays, anyone and everyone that can get upset about something, will get upset. I wonder if sports talk shows are baiting this kind of stuff anymore - hasn't there been quite a few sport figures say some pretty tasteless things on radio and immediately have to start backpedaling once it's out?

bandl

February 15th, 2007, 03:36 PM

I seriously doubt that...
and he's not the victim nor is he playing that part... Go stir up ****e elswhere
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Do they offer any humor classes at Hahvahd?? Sheesh...lighten up. xidiotx

B&G

February 15th, 2007, 03:37 PM

I seriously doubt that...
and he's not the victim nor is he playing that part... Go stir up ****e elswhere

To Jsate83: Financial freedom (such as his) allows for him to speak his mind... they asked him a question... he answered honestly...

Is it going to stir up some back-lash (You bet) does he really care about that (probably not)

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Look dude if you thought that wasn't tongue-in-cheek, then I feel bad for you.

Cleets

February 15th, 2007, 03:43 PM

Do they offer any humor classes at Hahvahd?? Sheesh...lighten up. xidiotx

No, We're very serious...

(But something about that post struck me as spiteful, not funny...)

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bandl

February 15th, 2007, 03:44 PM

No, We're very serious...

(But something about that post struck me as spiteful, not funny...)

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Thank you for proving my point! :thumbsup:

Perhaps you should enroll in such a class at a local community college then. Damn.

Cleets

February 15th, 2007, 03:44 PM

Look dude if you thought that wasn't tongue-in-cheek, then I feel bad for you.

Somehow I doubt "you feel bad for me"
But if you're saying I have no sense of humor, you might be right...

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Cleets

February 15th, 2007, 03:46 PM

Thank you for proving my point! :thumbsup:

Perhaps you should enroll in such a class at a local community college then. Damn.

I'll take your advice immediatly, thank you...

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B&G

February 15th, 2007, 04:31 PM

Somehow I doubt "you feel bad for me"
But if you're saying I have no sense of humor, you might be right...

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You are right, I guess I could've said "lighten up" instead but what's done is done. The Hardaway story is barely newsworthy in my opinion. You mean to tell me there are ignorant people in the world? :eek: :eek: :eek: Gosh I had no idea. I needed the media to jump on this story immediately so I could be made aware.

89Hen

February 15th, 2007, 04:35 PM

FWIW, I read B&G's comment as TIC. :twocents:

UNHWildCats

February 15th, 2007, 07:39 PM

The NBA has banished him from All Star festivities this weekend http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17160685/

dbackjon

February 15th, 2007, 07:49 PM

The NBA has banished him from All Star festivities this weekend http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17160685/

Good

Cleets

February 15th, 2007, 07:50 PM

The NBA has banished him from All Star festivities this weekend http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17160685/

Typical over reaction:
Since when did being a Bigot become a crime... (Who new..?)

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Col Hogan

February 15th, 2007, 08:20 PM

Typical over reaction:
Since when did being a Bigot become a crime... (Who new..?)

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Being a bigot is not a crime.

But if I own a business, I have the right to not associate with a bigot. Even if I am a bigot, I might be smart enough business owner to know that openly associating with a bigot is not good for my business.

spelunker64

February 16th, 2007, 08:27 AM

What is this "NBA" you speak of?

bandl

February 16th, 2007, 08:28 AM

What is this "NBA" you speak of?

National Bowling Association. Duh.

spelunker64

February 16th, 2007, 08:31 AM

Ah yes, Bowling, I've heard there are a lot of gays in bowling...

ChickenMan

February 16th, 2007, 08:53 AM

lizrdgizrd

February 16th, 2007, 11:36 AM

The guy spoke his opinion. He shouldn't have to apologize for it. He should expect others to treat him accordingly. The NBA has every right to disassociate itself from him. Agree with him or not, respect the fact that he stated his opinion truthfully.

wkuhillhound

February 16th, 2007, 12:07 PM

Even though his comments were outrageously stupid, at least I know who to stay away from. It's not a crime to be a bigot, but there is such a thing as hate crimes.

Cleets

February 16th, 2007, 12:14 PM

News flash... even though the gay lifestyle is now accepted by many individuals and particularly by the mainstream media... there remain many people who do not approve of homosexual behavior. Even though Tim Hardaway expressed his disapproval in an repugnant manner... he still has the right to disapprove.

Agreed,
It could be his "belief system" or "moral compass" or whatever

Who am I to tell him otherwise...?
I can safely point out that his behavior is considered a form of Bigotry and not conducive to harmony...

Banning him from NBA related events (silly) seems like a way of running from the issue... or hiding him from the press...

But it is the NBA's call on how they run their business...

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bison95

February 16th, 2007, 12:23 PM

His comments show how far we are as a community and country from being what we say we are! This from a balck man who should understand how horrible hatred is and can be, only to spew such hatred on another group.

I explaind this to my 7 year old son when he asked about what is Gay because of what he heard on SS? Gay is a feeling you are born with, it is something about you you know, but others can't see. People who are gay wish to marry others of the same sex, it is not a choice, just a feeling, much like I like girls, and married his mom. It is something like being fat or tall or short or having a big head (kid has a 7 1/2 inch skull:eek: ) or being black or white. It is something that you don't control so we need to accept everyone for who they are and not hate them because of one thing.

One thing that does piss me off about this is compairing Amiche (sp) to Jackie robinson. When a Lebron, D Wade or someone goes through the game as a known gay man, then a compairson can be made.

B&G

February 16th, 2007, 12:24 PM

Agreed,
It could be his "belief system" or "moral compass" or whatever

Who am I to tell him otherwise...?
I can safely point out that his behavior is considered a form of Bigotry and not conducive to harmony...

Banning him from NBA related events (silly) seems like a way of running from the issue... or hiding him from the press...

But it is the NBA's call on how they run their business...

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It would have been interesting to see how the NBA would've dealt with an active player saying something like Hardaway did.

wkuhillhound

February 16th, 2007, 12:43 PM

It would have been interesting to see how the NBA would've dealt with an active player saying something like Hardaway did.

It depends on who it is. If it was someone like, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, or Steve Nash, to me it would be even more scruntinized because they probably would have a wider range of fans and more of them than say a Tim Hardaway. They would lose much more than Tim could ever lose today.

My point would be. The more recognizable you are the tighter your lips should be. :nono: xlolx

lizrdgizrd

February 16th, 2007, 12:55 PM

The more recognizable you are the tighter your lips should be. :nono: xlolx
Why is that? If you accept the fact that what you say will be gone over with a fine-toothed comb you shouldn't be afraid to say what you mean and stand behind it.

GoldandBlack

February 16th, 2007, 12:59 PM

Why is that? If you accept the fact that what you say will be gone over with a fine-toothed comb you shouldn't be afraid to say what you mean and stand behind it.

I agree- two things about this:

1. Hardaway has a right to say what he thinks, if that's what he wants to do.

2. If he chooses to do that, he needs to accept whatever economic grief he receives as a result of his statements. He has the right to make statements, and others have an equal right to react to them in their own manner.

Basic cause and effect, in this case. It's the (more or less) free enterprise system at work.

wkuhillhound

February 16th, 2007, 01:08 PM

Why is that? If you accept the fact that what you say will be gone over with a fine-toothed comb you shouldn't be afraid to say what you mean and stand behind it.

Absolutely. Michael Jordan didn't do it. He knew what consequences would become of it. Michael Jordan didn't have the career and mucho dinero he has because he had loose lips did he? I think not.

GannonFan

February 16th, 2007, 01:12 PM

It would have been interesting to see how the NBA would've dealt with an active player saying something like Hardaway did.

The NBA would be restricted by the collective bargaining agreement with the Player's Union if it were an active player. I'm not sure what language is in that but I would suspect that their options would be limited to respond to an active player saying something like what Hardaway said. It'll be interesting if they position for more authority in areas like this when the next CBA comes up.