Montana hires Bobby Hauck

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Will be announced on Monday or Tuesday depending on Haucks travel schedule.

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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Will be announced on Monday or Tuesday depending on Haucks travel schedule.

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Good or bad for Griz Nation?

[Lorne_Malvo]

Will be announced on Monday or Tuesday depending on Haucks travel schedule.

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Whats your opinion of this? His record at UNLV was not exactly optimal.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Oh I don't like Hauck and didn't the first time.

I will say that I like the toughness his team's play with, they are fundamental and prepared. I think it's gonna take a couple years to build up talent and depth but we play in the BSC.......thats good for 7 to 9 wins every year

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[Bisonoline]

Will be announced on Monday or Tuesday depending on Haucks travel schedule.

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Wasnt he the coach that got the heav-ho over the false rape and how they tried to cover it up or something like that?

[centennial]

This guy?



2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–11
2–6
7th





2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–10
1–6
T–6th





2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–11
2–6
8th





2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
7–6
5–3
T–3rd (West)
L Heart of Dallas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Heart_of_Dallas_Bowl_(January))




2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–11
1–7
6th (West)

[BisonFan02]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHHUyBCi9Jc&t=1s

[mvemjsunpx]

Wasnt he the coach that got the heav-ho over the false rape and how they tried to cover it up or something like that?

That was Pflugrad… soft of. The reasons for the firing were never given, but it came shortly after the Jordan Johnson rape accusation.

The rape thing was a bad reason to fire Pflugrad, if that even was the reason, but I think he should've been fired for his hand in the NCAA sanctions regardless.

[Schism55]

This guy?



2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–11
2–6
7th





2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–10
1–6
T–6th





2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–11
2–6
8th





2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
7–6
5–3
T–3rd (West)
L Heart of Dallas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Heart_of_Dallas_Bowl_(January))




2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–11
1–7
6th (West)




NOONE wins at UNLV....that job is a never ending pit of despair.

[KUlawJack]

That was Pflugrad… soft of. The reasons for the firing were never given, but it came shortly after the Jordan Johnson rape accusation.

The rape thing was a bad reason to fire Pflugrad, if that even was the reason, but I think he should've been fired for his hand in the NCAA sanctions regardless.

Can you expound a bit for us that don’t know all the history? NCAA sanctions? What were those? Did Hauck have issues?

[Rabbit3467]

I find this hire so weird. I've been in Montana since 2005 and fans were pumped to see hauck go. This screams desperation to me in griz land. Just because you got a little crazy with the stitt hire doesn't mean you should go back in time. It's not like hauck won a title, or could win anything after montana. He did good but his best year was another coaches recruits. I kinda feel like the rest of the big sky caught up to Montana and now they are hoping to go back instead of forward, glory days. But, maybe I'm completely wrong.

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[mvemjsunpx]

Can you expound a bit for us that don’t know all the history? NCAA sanctions? What were those? Did Hauck have issues?

There wasn't ever anything directly tied to Hauck and I have no reason to believe he was involved in NCAA sanctions. My concern with Hauck was more of an "Us against the World" mentality he pushed in his team that seemed to go a bit too far (like, beyond just football)—in other words, a team culture issue.

The NCAA sanctions mostly stemmed from the so-called "Tasergate" incident when Trumaine Johnson & Gerald Kemp were arrested during a house party a day-or-so after the Griz beat NAU in Flagstaff in 2011. They received free bail money from an extended relative that went outside allowed NCAA rules and also received free legal representation from a Griz-booster law firm (the lawyer was also a relative of an athletic-department employee). Pflugrad & AD Jim O'Day knew about these issues but didn't really do anything about them & appeared to just hope they would go away (Johnson & Kemp continued to play that season). The NCAA then came in and found the usual host of unreported minor violations, in addition to the aforementioned major ones. Also, in a bit of an aside, they apparently found a female assistant AD was banging an athlete (athletes?). As a result, every game after the NAU win from 2011 was vacated in addition to the harmful scholarship penalties. IMO, the Griz probably would've gotten away with a slap on the wrist if Pflugrad & O'Day had been less passive & more proactive.

[Green26]

There wasn't ever anything directly tied to Hauck and I have no reason to believe he was involved in NCAA sanctions. My concern with Hauck was more of an "Us against the World" mentality he pushed in his team that seemed to go a bit too far (like, beyond just football)—in other words, a team culture issue.

The NCAA sanctions mostly stemmed from the so-called "Tasergate" incident when Trumaine Johnson & Gerald Kemp were arrested during a house party a day-or-so after the Griz beat NAU in Flagstaff in 2011. They received free bail money from an extended relative that went outside allowed NCAA rules and also received free legal representation from a Griz-booster law firm (the lawyer was also a relative of an athletic-department employee). Pflugrad & AD Jim O'Day knew about these issues but didn't really do anything about them & appeared to just hope they would go away (Johnson & Kemp continued to play that season). The NCAA then came in and found the usual host of unreported minor violations, in addition to the aforementioned major ones. Also, in a bit of an aside, they apparently found a female assistant AD was banging an athlete (athletes?). As a result, every game after the NAU win from 2011 was vacated in addition to the harmful scholarship penalties. IMO, the Griz probably would've gotten away with a slap on the wrist if Pflugrad & O'Day had been less passive & more proactive.

Hauck didn't have any ncaa issues while at UM.

Pflugrad, after being fired along with the AD by the UM president, got thrown a bit under the bus by the president and compliance director, in the ncaa investigation.

The athletic dept, including the coach and I believe the AD and compliance officer, knew that a Missoula mom of a player, who had been asked in the middle of the night by a friend of hers in CA who was the grandfather of a player, to bail him and his friend Trumaine Johnson out of jail over the taser incident. She put up about $225, the 10%, to a bail bondsman the night (3 or 4am). The grandfather repaid her a week later, I believe when he saw her at the next game, as he had said he would that night when he asked. This was not reported by UM. The ncaa said the "loan" should have been paid back a few days quicker. The mom was deemed to be a booster.

The other "big" violation was the legal work for the players by the local law firm. I can't recall if the athletic dept even knew what the legal fee arrangements were. The law firm had explanations for the arrangement. The ncaa deemed the value for the services to be $1,000, or maybe $2,000. A month or two later, the players pled solo to a single misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct and paid a tiny fine.

These 2 things involved a "failure to monitor" violation. Don't know why it's the coach's job to do this, especially when the compliance officer was also in the loop.

The matter involving the female employee of the athletic dept. was not a big violation and the ncaa didn't indicate it involved anything sexual. She had cooked some meals for the player at her house and either washed his clothes or allowed him to do that at her house. The player was from out of state and his dad had died the year, and he was supposedly struggling a bit with that.

Other minor violations involved some families having players over for dinner too many times for home-cooked meals. None of these families were big boosters or even known to the athletic dept. One family knew some players from church.

UM lost 4 scholarships for 3 years over this, plus some other stuff.

The ncaa investigation didn't involve anything with regard to the sexual assault stuff. The sexual assault stuff got a lot of press, but at the end of the day, the only thing that stood was a guilty plea by 1 player. No players who retained attorneys to fight the school proceedings were even thrown out of school or otherwise sanctioned. The second kid charged, the qb, was determined to be not guilty in a trial, was never thrown out of school, and never lost his scholarship. Couldn't play the year of his trial.

[Green26]

I find this hire so weird. I've been in Montana since 2005 and fans were pumped to see hauck go. This screams desperation to me in griz land. Just because you got a little crazy with the stitt hire doesn't mean you should go back in time. It's not like hauck won a title, or could win anything after montana. He did good but his best year was another coaches recruits. I kinda feel like the rest of the big sky caught up to Montana and now they are hoping to go back instead of forward, glory days. But, maybe I'm completely wrong.

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Most fans were not pumped to see Hauck leave. Only some message board types. The main supporters and boosters of the program liked Hauck, most wanted him re-hired when Stitt was hired, and almost all support him coming back now.

[Green26]

This guy?



2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–11
2–6
7th





2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–10
1–6
T–6th





2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–11
2–6
8th





2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
7–6
5–3
T–3rd (West)
L Heart of Dallas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Heart_of_Dallas_Bowl_(January))




2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
UNLV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_UNLV_Rebels_football_team)
2–11
1–7
6th (West)





The more relevant stats, in his 7 years at UM, are 7 conference championships, a record of something like 80-18, playoffs all 7 years, championship game 3 of 7 years, semifinals 4 years, tons of all-conference players, and more NFL players of any FCS program at the time. No one has been able to win at UNLV, including John Robison who was very successful at USC and was in the NFL, before going to UNLV.

[Green26]

Hauck's team culture was working hard, being tough and physical, never giving up, and winning. Hauck was a tough disciplinarian and hard-ass while at UM. I don't believe he or his team had issues at UNLV, other than not being able to win.

[mvemjsunpx]

Hauck didn't have any ncaa issues while at UM.

Pflugrad, after being fired along with the AD by the UM president, got thrown a bit under the bus by the president and compliance director, in the ncaa investigation.

The athletic dept, including the coach and I believe the AD and compliance officer, knew that a Missoula mom of a player, who had been asked in the middle of the night by a friend of hers in CA who was the grandfather of a player, to bail him and his friend Trumaine Johnson out of jail over the taser incident. She put up about $225, the 10%, to a bail bondsman the night (3 or 4am). The grandfather repaid her a week later, I believe when he saw her at the next game, as he had said he would that night when he asked. This was not reported by UM. The ncaa said the "loan" should have been paid back a few days quicker. The mom was deemed to be a booster.

The other "big" violation was the legal work for the players by the local law firm. I can't recall if the athletic dept even knew what the legal fee arrangements were. The law firm had explanations for the arrangement. The ncaa deemed the value for the services to be $1,000, or maybe $2,000. A month or two later, the players pled solo to a single misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct and paid a tiny fine.

These 2 things involved a "failure to monitor" violation. Don't know why it's the coach's job to do this, especially when the compliance officer was also in the loop.

Even with these explanations, I think Pflugrad & O'Day (especially O'Day) were overly passive/indecisive/whatever at dealing with these issues. And there isn't really an explanation as to why the pro bono thing didn't get reported. I'm not necessarily defending Engstrom on this, since we don't know why he fired them, but I think it was ultimately good for the team/department that they weren't in charge of anything anymore.



The matter involving the female employee of the athletic dept. was not a big violation and the ncaa didn't indicate it involved anything sexual. She had cooked some meals for the player at her house and either washed his clothes or allowed him to do that at her house. The player was from out of state and his dad had died the year, and he was supposedly struggling a bit with that.

This Missoulian article doesn't say it was sexual, but the phrasing from the article/NCAA report definitely implies it:


The investigation also found other NCAA violations, including several by a former assistant athletic director. The administrator became friends with a football player, a relationship that evolved to a “personal level.”

“During the fall of 2011, the assistant athletic director’s interactions with the student-athlete occurred at the staff member’s home on numerous occasions,” the report says. “During these home visits, the student-athlete received meals, snacks, lodging and laundry services.”



The ncaa investigation didn't involve anything with regard to the sexual assault stuff. The sexual assault stuff got a lot of press, but at the end of the day, the only thing that stood was a guilty plea by 1 player. No players who retained attorneys to fight the school proceedings were even thrown out of school or otherwise sanctioned. The second kid charged, the qb, was determined to be not guilty in a trial, was never thrown out of school, and never lost his scholarship. Couldn't play the year of his trial.

Oh, I know. And the way the school treated Jordan Johnson (initially, anyway) was pretty bad. It was pretty clear to me the girl planned on accusing him of rape before she had sex with him. She was borderline stalking him before that.

[ASU33]

So what's the pulse of Griz Nation about the old coach being back?

[TennBison]

Well I guess that Montana is no longer a go to spot in the FCS ranks. For sure, if they were then they could have gotten a much better coach, he has done nothing since he was there last time.

[Green26]

"Even with these explanations, I think Pflugrad & O'Day (especially O'Day) were overly passive/indecisive/whatever at dealing with these issues. And there isn't really an explanation as to why the pro bono thing didn't get reported. I'm not necessarily defending Engstrom on this, since we don't know why he fired them, but I think it was ultimately good for the team/department that they weren't in charge of anything anymore."

What do you think Pflu/O'Day could or should have done with these issues?

First, why aren't these issues the job of the compliance officer? Do you think that Pflu, as head coach, should know or research that the mom is a booster and that if she bails out a friend's grandson and his friend, at the request of a grandfather in CA who has called her, very concerned, in the middle of the night, she must be repaid within 2 or 3 days, instead of a week? And is it intuitive to anyone that it is an ncaa issue for a mom to comply with a requests to bail out kids in this situation? This is an extra benefit? Do you think this mom would have not done this for any friend of hers who asked her in this circumstance?

On the legal fee benefits, do you think it's the job of the head coach and AD, as opposed to the compliance officer, to monitor the payment for legal services? And, in this situation, the law firm, which frequently represented students on a pro bono basis, said that it was representing the players on a contingency fee basis, because they were evaluating and setting up a potential civil lawsuit against the police/city. It is not unusual for a lawyer/law firm in MT to do some legal work on a criminal or other initial part of a matter, when they see a potential bigger contingency fee case/civil suit on the back end. While I assume it is now clear or clearer that the ncaa thinks any free legal services like this is not allowed for players, 10 years ago it was not uncommon for law firms in cities with universities to represent students and athletes on a pro bono basis.

On the personal relationship between the athletic department employee and the player, I don't believe there's any ncaa problem with having a "personal relationship", so, again, that's not what the ncaa cited as the problem. It was the home-cooked meals and laundry.

I disagree with you on your view that it was better that O'Day/Pflu weren't in charge. They were both doing a good job. And, the firings are what caused MT football to decline to where it is today. The firings were also very wrongful, even if not in a legal sense. Engstrom was wrong to fire them, and he proved to be so incompetent that he has severely hurt UM. That's why he was eventually fired by the Board of Regents.

[Green26]

Well I guess that Montana is no longer a go to spot in the FCS ranks. For sure, if they were then they could have gotten a much better coach, he has done nothing since he was there last time.

If the hiring of Hauck does in fact occur, he will be the very best coach that UM could possibly have hired. He knows how to coach at UM. He has been incredibly successful at this level. He has the support of all or virtually all of the top financial and other supporters. He is a better coach, and more mature, than when he left. Not aware of any issues since he left. His recruiting areas and knowledge are much bigger and broader, and he was already a terrific recruiter when he was here and before he came to UM. His coaching staff will be strong. He is extremely competitive and he will not allow himself or his teams not to move back towards the top quickly.

Hauck is THE coach the biggest supporters wanted.

[Green26]

Well I guess that Montana is no longer a go to spot in the FCS ranks. For sure, if they were then they could have gotten a much better coach, he has done nothing since he was there last time.

Here's a recent post on egriz (not mine):

"Nick Sabin wouldn't win at UNLV.
Hauck's last 4 years in the FCS at Montana he was 31-1 in conference and left riding a 25 conference game win streak...
Hauck would be a huge get for Montana and an even bigger FU to the cats."

[centennial]

Here's a recent post on egriz (not mine):

"Nick Sabin wouldn't win at UNLV.
Hauck's last 4 years in the FCS at Montana he was 31-1 in conference and left riding a 25 conference game win streak...
Hauck would be a huge get for Montana and an even bigger FU to the cats."

This is completely ridiculous. Any big name coach could win at UNLV. They are 5-6 this year. Not that Hauck is a bad hire, but Montana should've looked before deciding. Wyoming is a MUCH harder place to win and Bohl has gone to MW championship, and will have Josh Allen drafted in the 1st round. Also the Big Sky isn't the same conference it was 15 years ago. Neither is the MVFC or CAA. Teams catch up and evolve.

BTW: Where is the news? Any links?

[jsualumnus]

You NDSU fans think Klieman is a potential candidate anywhere?

[jadmt]

there is so much misinformation here. Griz fans are brutal and some wanted to run Bobby Hauck out for only being freaking 14-1 for crying out loud. Now those same fans would be happy with 12-2 LOL. I will be surprised if Hauck is actually hired. If he is hired you can bet he will be under pressure to win, which he should do as Stitt was a good recruiter and we should be loaded.

[TheKingpin28]

You NDSU fans think Klieman is a potential candidate anywhere?

After what Bohl did to NDSU, anything is always possible, but I doubt he would ever go back to UNI. Matt Entz on the other hand, IMO, is the next man up at NDSU for getting a HC at the D1 level.

[centennial]

You NDSU fans think Klieman is a potential candidate anywhere?

This is off topic, but if the DC from Clemson Brent Venables gets a new job. Klieman and Dabo are friends, and frequently exchange notes on coaching defenses. Rumor is that he might move to DC at Clemson. Who knows though..

[Lorne_Malvo]

After what Bohl did to NDSU, anything is always possible, but I doubt he would ever go back to UNI. Matt Entz on the other hand, IMO, is the next man up at NDSU for getting a HC at the D1 level.

Next man/coach up.

[jsualumnus]

Being a Griz fan most of my life, Gamecock fan first and foremost, The playoffs without UM don’t seem right...

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

So what's the pulse of Griz Nation about the old coach being back?It sucks

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

This is completely ridiculous. Any big name coach could win at UNLV. They are 5-6 this year. Not that Hauck is a bad hire, but Montana should've looked before deciding. Wyoming is a MUCH harder place to win and Bohl has gone to MW championship, and will have Josh Allen drafted in the 1st round. Also the Big Sky isn't the same conference it was 15 years ago. Neither is the MVFC or CAA. Teams catch up and evolve.

BTW: Where is the news? Any links?Agreed any coach like Sabin, Meyer, Peterson etc would win at UNLV. It's just an excuse that idiot Griz fans throw out to support Hauck.

I am going to enjoy watching them struggle with Hauck success this time around.

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

there is so much misinformation here. Griz fans are brutal and some wanted to run Bobby Hauck out for only being freaking 14-1 for crying out loud. Now those same fans would be happy with 12-2 LOL. I will be surprised if Hauck is actually hired. If he is hired you can bet he will be under pressure to win, which he should do as Stitt was a good recruiter and we should be loaded.Stitt did not recruit or leave the talent you guys think he did. MLB, S, OL and CB are going to be significant problems next year. We have NOBODY on the roster to replace Strahm the MLB position will have a place holder next season and we would be very soft in the middle if it wasn't for Shaw and Sims

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[jadmt]

Stitt did not recruit or leave the talent you guys think he did. MLB, S, OL and CB are going to be significant problems next year. We have NOBODY on the roster to replace Strahm the MLB position will have a place holder next season and we would be very soft in the middle if it wasn't for Shaw and Sims

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I guess we will see. I am not a BH fan and I personally will be surprised if he is hired but you never know. I do know that Kent would really have to be under some major pressure to hire him because there is no love between the two..

[polsongrizz]

NOONE wins at UNLV....that job is a never ending pit of despair.

Agreed, they have had something like four winning seasons in the last thirty years and two of those were by one game.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I guess we will see. I am not a BH fan and I personally will be surprised if he is hired but you never know. I do know that Kent would really have to be under some major pressure to hire him because there is no love between the two..I'm not either but he will be announced Monday and press conference on Tuesday

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[Silenoz]

Well I guess that Montana is no longer a go to spot in the FCS ranks. For sure, if they were then they could have gotten a much better coach, he has done nothing since he was there last time.

Oh yeah, everyone's banging down the door for $170,000 a year at an FCS school that is averaging about 2.5 years per coach lately?

Whatever, I don't even care any more. Maybe we'll be alright in a few years, maybe we won't.

[BisonFan02]

Oh yeah, everyone's banging down the door for $170,000 a year at an FCS school that is averaging about 2.5 years per coach lately?

Whatever, I don't even care any more. Maybe we'll be alright in a few years, maybe we won't.

And there is your moment of zen. Who would actually want that job?

[TennBison]

You NDSU fans think Klieman is a potential candidate anywhere?
What are you talking about, there is no one by that name here.

[Bisonoline]

You NDSU fans think Klieman is a potential candidate anywhere?

Dont care if he is or isnt.

[centennial]

Dont care if he is or isnt.

Continuity is huge at NDSU. We have a stable of ex and current coaches, and players that are now coaches. Probably one of the most successful coaching trees at the FCS level.

[Bisonoline]

Continuity is huge at NDSU. We have a stable of ex and current coaches, and players that are now coaches. Probably one of the most successful coaching trees at the FCS level.

Thats why Im not worried. Everytime a coach is successful some drama queen over at BV has to start pissing his pants wondering where he is going to go and what it will take to get him to leave etc etc etc. JFC

[mvemjsunpx]

"Even with these explanations, I think Pflugrad & O'Day (especially O'Day) were overly passive/indecisive/whatever at dealing with these issues. And there isn't really an explanation as to why the pro bono thing didn't get reported. I'm not necessarily defending Engstrom on this, since we don't know why he fired them, but I think it was ultimately good for the team/department that they weren't in charge of anything anymore."

What do you think Pflu/O'Day could or should have done with these issues?

First, why aren't these issues the job of the compliance officer? Do you think that Pflu, as head coach, should know or research that the mom is a booster and that if she bails out a friend's grandson and his friend, at the request of a grandfather in CA who has called her, very concerned, in the middle of the night, she must be repaid within 2 or 3 days, instead of a week? And is it intuitive to anyone that it is an ncaa issue for a mom to comply with a requests to bail out kids in this situation? This is an extra benefit? Do you think this mom would have not done this for any friend of hers who asked her in this circumstance?

On the legal fee benefits, do you think it's the job of the head coach and AD, as opposed to the compliance officer, to monitor the payment for legal services? And, in this situation, the law firm, which frequently represented students on a pro bono basis, said that it was representing the players on a contingency fee basis, because they were evaluating and setting up a potential civil lawsuit against the police/city. It is not unusual for a lawyer/law firm in MT to do some legal work on a criminal or other initial part of a matter, when they see a potential bigger contingency fee case/civil suit on the back end. While I assume it is now clear or clearer that the ncaa thinks any free legal services like this is not allowed for players, 10 years ago it was not uncommon for law firms in cities with universities to represent students and athletes on a pro bono basis.


Yes, they should have known these things. It's not hard to figure out that players receiving money from boosters could raise the ire of the NCAA, and Pflugrad & O'Day were getting paid 6 figures to, in part, figure these things out. That they were apparently clueless about all this shows a glaring lack of leadership. As for the compliance officer issue… even if the compliance officer was mostly to blame (which I doubt), that person still answered directly to Jim O'Day so it was ultimately his responsibility. If that person was really to blame, why didn't O'Day fire them?

And the report contradicts the idea the compliance officer was primarily to blame anyway:


Pflugrad and O’Day knew that boosters had provided the players with bail money and legal representation, but failed to inform the compliance office, the NCAA report said.

[Green26]

[/COLOR]
Yes, they should have known these things. It's not hard to figure out that players receiving money from boosters could raise the ire of the NCAA, and Pflugrad & O'Day were getting paid 6 figures to, in part, figure these things out. That they were apparently clueless about all this shows a glaring lack of leadership. As for the compliance officer issue… even if the compliance officer was mostly to blame (which I doubt), that person still answered directly to Jim O'Day so it was ultimately his responsibility. If that person was really to blame, why didn't O'Day fire them?

And the report contradicts the idea the compliance officer was primarily to blame anyway:

Don't agree. Pflu's main job was to coach and win the important Weber game and hold his team together during the turmoil. O'Day's was to work on the bigger issues of the taser incident. It is the job of the compliance officer to work on this other stuff. And, she was in the loop on this stuff generally.

No one in the world would know that it was an ncaa rule for a mom who bailed out 2 guys to have to be paid back in several days not a week. What's the market interest rate on a week long loan of $225. A few cents? What kind of "extra benefit" is that?

And, contingency fee arrangement are perfected proper to be used in representing someone.

By the way, no money was given to the players by boosters.

Engstrom and the university didn't properly handle or fight the investigation. And O'Day and Pflu were not there to fight it.

[Bisonoline]

Don't agree. Pflu's main job was to coach and win the important Weber game and hold his team together during the turmoil. O'Day's was to work on the bigger issues of the taser incident. It is the job of the compliance officer to work on this other stuff. And, she was in the loop on this stuff generally.

No one in the world would know that it was an ncaa rule for a mom who bailed out 2 guys to have to be paid back in several days not a week. What's the market interest rate on a week long loan of $225. A few cents? What kind of "extra benefit" is that?

And, contingency fee arrangement are perfected proper to be used in representing someone.

By the way, no money was given to the players by boosters.

Engstrom and the university didn't properly handle or fight the investigation. And O'Day and Pflu were not there to fight it.

Would she have offered to do that for a regular student that she didnt know????? No? Then thats an extra benefit.
There is a simple rule to follow---if you are doing anything with a player that involves money you do nothing until you talk to compliance. If you have any questions???? You talk to compliance. You have to be very careful.

Actually the AD should have been on top of this as well working in conjunction with compliance.

Heres one for you.

Greg Mattison is a friend of mine from when he played at La Crosse State University. His son played at the University of Iowa. I was going back for a game when his son played and thought I would take him out to dinner. I called compliance to make sure I wouldnt be in violation of any rules. So here I am a former Iowa student, player, now a booster and friend of the players father. Compliance could not give me a definitive answer. BUT the harbinger is being a booster. They said they didnt think it would be a problem because of my history with the father but werent sure. At that point I told them I thought the smart thing to do was to avoid the situation all together. There was no reason to do something that could be deemed questionable and put Iowa under the NCAA microscope over a dinner. They said--THANK YOU!

[Green26]

Would she have offered to do that for a regular student that she didnt know????? No? Then thats an extra benefit.
There is a simple rule to follow---if you are doing anything with a player that involves money you do nothing until you talk to compliance. If you have any questions???? You talk to compliance. You have to be very careful.

Actually the AD should have been on top of this as well working in conjunction with compliance.

Heres one for you.

Greg Mattison is a friend of mine from when he played at La Crosse State University. His son played at the University of Iowa. I was going back for a game when his son played and thought I would take him out to dinner. I called compliance to make sure I wouldnt be in violation of any rules. So here I am a former Iowa student, player, now a booster and friend of the players father. Compliance could not give me a definitive answer. BUT the harbinger is being a booster. They said they didnt think it would be a problem because of my history with the father but werent sure. At that point I told them I thought the smart thing to do was to avoid the situation all together. There was no reason to do something that could be deemed questionable and put Iowa under the NCAA microscope over a dinner. They said--THANK YOU!

Yes, she would have done it for any friend who called her from anywhere in the middle of the night and these circumstances, to bail out their kid or relative. Zero extra benefit. You can't call compliance in the middle of the night. Would you turn down a friend in these circumstances? if so, you are an awful person. I assume she didn't even know she would be considered to be a booster either.

Actually, even if compliance didn't know the exact facts, then compliance should have asked the players, coaches, AD, anyone, who bailed the guys out, and eventually, are the players paying their own legal fees. This would taken 2 minutes. Jeez, what does compliance do? just sit in their offices waiting for the coach and AD to report stuff to them, or ask them what they are doing?

The mom was a former player. I don't think she went to UM for college. She attended games to watch her son.

A dinner for your son's friend, even if $25, would have been 75 times more than the interest on a $225 loan for a week to bail out the guys.

Anyone who gets called in the middle of the night by a concerned friend to help the friend's kid, and refuses, should have his assed kicked.

[Bisonoline]

Yes, she would have done it for any friend who called her from anywhere in the middle of the night and these circumstances, to bail out their kid or relative. Zero extra benefit. You can't call compliance in the middle of the night. Would you turn down a friend in these circumstances? if so, you are an awful person. I assume she didn't even know she would be considered to be a booster either.

Actually, even if compliance didn't know the exact facts, then compliance should have asked the players, coaches, AD, anyone, who bailed the guys out, and eventually, are the players paying their own legal fees. This would taken 2 minutes. Jeez, what does compliance do? just sit in their offices waiting for the coach and AD to report stuff to them, or ask them what they are doing?

The mom was a former player. I don't think she went to UM for college. She attended games to watch her son.

A dinner for your son's friend, even if $25, would have been 75 times more than the interest on a $225 loan for a week to bail out the guys.

Anyone who gets called in the middle of the night by a concerned friend to help the friend's kid, and refuses, should have his assed kicked.

Rational thought like yours is the reason they got in trouble.

[Rabbit3467]

Here's a recent post on egriz (not mine):

"Nick Sabin wouldn't win at UNLV.
Hauck's last 4 years in the FCS at Montana he was 31-1 in conference and left riding a 25 conference game win streak...
Hauck would be a huge get for Montana and an even bigger FU to the cats."Hello Coach haucks brother

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[igo4uni]

This is off topic, but if the DC from Clemson Brent Venables gets a new job. Klieman and Dabo are friends, and frequently exchange notes on coaching defenses. Rumor is that he might move to DC at Clemson. Who knows though..

I think it's only a matter of time until he moves up. It's the way of the world.

[Green26]

Would she have offered to do that for a regular student that she didnt know????? No? Then thats an extra benefit.
There is a simple rule to follow---if you are doing anything with a player that involves money you do nothing until you talk to compliance. If you have any questions???? You talk to compliance. You have to be very careful.

Actually the AD should have been on top of this as well working in conjunction with compliance.

Heres one for you.

Greg Mattison is a friend of mine from when he played at La Crosse State University. His son played at the University of Iowa. I was going back for a game when his son played and thought I would take him out to dinner. I called compliance to make sure I wouldnt be in violation of any rules. So here I am a former Iowa student, player, now a booster and friend of the players father. Compliance could not give me a definitive answer. BUT the harbinger is being a booster. They said they didnt think it would be a problem because of my history with the father but werent sure. At that point I told them I thought the smart thing to do was to avoid the situation all together. There was no reason to do something that could be deemed questionable and put Iowa under the NCAA microscope over a dinner. They said--THANK YOU!

Okay, Bison, here's the scenario. Your wife gets a call at say 3am in the morning on Sat. night, from Greg Mattison's grandfather, whom you and your wife see at games almost every home weekend. The grandfather is very concerned because he had received a call from his grandson around 2am, there were cops and commotion in the background, then there was some noise and screams, and the phone went dead. The grandfather had called around and eventually figures out his grandson and a teammate are in jail. The grandfather asks your wife if she would try to bail out the guys, and that he will repay your wife when he sees at the game the next weekend. She bails them.

Or, your wife could say to her friend the grandfather, my husband played for team. I wonder if he's a booster. I wonder if that may make me a booster. I wonder if I can bail out the guys. I need to contact the compliance officer or the ncaa first, to make sure this would be okay. I don't have anyone's phone number, and they probably wouldn't answer anyway. I will try to find out, tomorrow, if this is okay. Tomorrow is Sunday, so I might not reach anyone. This may have to wait until Monday. Is that okay?

I am sure you are proud you didn't take your friend's son to dinner, without trying to get a reading from the compliance officer. By the way, why didn't you contact the head coach or the athletic director? Why did you contact compliance? Oh, that's because this is what the compliance office does. The coach runs the team and tries to win game. The AD oversees the athletic department, all sports, and raises money.
Also, the coach is trying to win a big game, deal with a big off field problem (taser incident, lots of press, what to do with the players), and the AD is trying to do his own investigation, deal with the press, and decide what to do with the players. The president is calling too. There are lots of witnesses with lots of audio and some video. They all want to talk to you. The cops have yelled some borderline racial slurs at the players, who happen to be black and from CA, and, according to witnesses, acted inappropriately and were too aggressive. But the coach and AD know that before they get the team ready, deal with all the press and make decisions regarding playing or sitting the players, they should contact the ncaa to see if the mom might be considered to be a booster, and, if so, if it's okay for the mom to have put up $225 to bail out the guys in the middle of night, and get paid back next week. The coach and AD decide that they should do this, because the compliance officer, who is around and in meetings with them, might not realize that this is her job. The coach and AD tell their assistants to put all calls from the president, the media, lawyers, and parents, to voice mail, and not allow anyone to get past the receptionist desk--because they need to focus all attention on making determinations regarding the bail.

Yup, this is the way it works in the real world.

[Green26]

Hello Coach haucks brother

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Coach Hauck's brother coaches for the Philadelphia Eagles. And played 14 years in the NFL, after playing for Montana. I'm guessing he didn't have time to make that post on egriz.

[Rabbit3467]

Coach Hauck's brother coaches for the Philadelphia Eagles. And played 14 years in the NFL, after playing for Montana. I'm guessing he didn't have time to make that post on egriz.Sorry, hello Coach haucks dad.

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[Green26]

Sorry, hello Coach haucks dad.

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Hauck's dad died many years ago.

[Green26]

Rational thought like yours is the reason they got in trouble.

Nope. It was incompetence by the President and interim AD, who was the compliance officer. They didn't hire a lawyer for over 6 months. The one they hired hadn't done much defense of ncaa investigations. He was cheaper, tho. They didn't take the investigation seriously at first. At the end, they self-imposed sanctions that were way more than necessary. The interim AD was not considered for the permanent position. The president was eventually fired, after UM's enrollment dropped about 30% over about 5 years and huge budget cuts were necessary.

[Bisonoline]

Okay, Bison, here's the scenario. Your wife gets a call at say 3am in the morning on Sat. night, from Greg Mattison's grandfather, whom you and your wife see at games almost every home weekend. The grandfather is very concerned because he had received a call from his grandson around 2am, there were cops and commotion in the background, then there was some noise and screams, and the phone went dead. The grandfather had called around and eventually figures out his grandson and a teammate are in jail. The grandfather asks your wife if she would try to bail out the guys, and that he will repay your wife when he sees at the game the next weekend. She bails them.

Or, your wife could say to her friend the grandfather, my husband played for team. I wonder if he's a booster. I wonder if that may make me a booster. I wonder if I can bail out the guys. I need to contact the compliance officer or the ncaa first, to make sure this would be okay. I don't have anyone's phone number, and they probably wouldn't answer anyway. I will try to find out, tomorrow, if this is okay. Tomorrow is Sunday, so I might not reach anyone. This may have to wait until Monday. Is that okay?

I am sure you are proud you didn't take your friend's son to dinner, without trying to get a reading from the compliance officer. By the way, why didn't you contact the head coach or the athletic director? Why did you contact compliance? Oh, that's because this is what the compliance office does. The coach runs the team and tries to win game. The AD oversees the athletic department, all sports, and raises money.
Also, the coach is trying to win a big game, deal with a big off field problem (taser incident, lots of press, what to do with the players), and the AD is trying to do his own investigation, deal with the press, and decide what to do with the players. The president is calling too. There are lots of witnesses with lots of audio and some video. They all want to talk to you. The cops have yelled some borderline racial slurs at the players, who happen to be black and from CA, and, according to witnesses, acted inappropriately and were too aggressive. But the coach and AD know that before they get the team ready, deal with all the press and make decisions regarding playing or sitting the players, they should contact the ncaa to see if the mom might be considered to be a booster, and, if so, if it's okay for the mom to have put up $225 to bail out the guys in the middle of night, and get paid back next week. The coach and AD decide that they should do this, because the compliance officer, who is around and in meetings with them, might not realize that this is her job. The coach and AD tell their assistants to put all calls from the president, the media, lawyers, and parents, to voice mail, and not allow anyone to get past the receptionist desk--because they need to focus all attention on making determinations regarding the bail.

Yup, this is the way it works in the real world.

You should have went in to creative writing. xcoffeex

[Green26]

"should have went into"? Okay.

[Rabbit3467]

Hauck's dad died many years ago.Nephew?

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Okay, Bison, here's the scenario. Your wife gets a call at say 3am in the morning on Sat. night, from Greg Mattison's grandfather, whom you and your wife see at games almost every home weekend. The grandfather is very concerned because he had received a call from his grandson around 2am, there were cops and commotion in the background, then there was some noise and screams, and the phone went dead. The grandfather had called around and eventually figures out his grandson and a teammate are in jail. The grandfather asks your wife if she would try to bail out the guys, and that he will repay your wife when he sees at the game the next weekend. She bails them.

Or, your wife could say to her friend the grandfather, my husband played for team. I wonder if he's a booster. I wonder if that may make me a booster. I wonder if I can bail out the guys. I need to contact the compliance officer or the ncaa first, to make sure this would be okay. I don't have anyone's phone number, and they probably wouldn't answer anyway. I will try to find out, tomorrow, if this is okay. Tomorrow is Sunday, so I might not reach anyone. This may have to wait until Monday. Is that okay?

I am sure you are proud you didn't take your friend's son to dinner, without trying to get a reading from the compliance officer. By the way, why didn't you contact the head coach or the athletic director? Why did you contact compliance? Oh, that's because this is what the compliance office does. The coach runs the team and tries to win game. The AD oversees the athletic department, all sports, and raises money.
Also, the coach is trying to win a big game, deal with a big off field problem (taser incident, lots of press, what to do with the players), and the AD is trying to do his own investigation, deal with the press, and decide what to do with the players. The president is calling too. There are lots of witnesses with lots of audio and some video. They all want to talk to you. The cops have yelled some borderline racial slurs at the players, who happen to be black and from CA, and, according to witnesses, acted inappropriately and were too aggressive. But the coach and AD know that before they get the team ready, deal with all the press and make decisions regarding playing or sitting the players, they should contact the ncaa to see if the mom might be considered to be a booster, and, if so, if it's okay for the mom to have put up $225 to bail out the guys in the middle of night, and get paid back next week. The coach and AD decide that they should do this, because the compliance officer, who is around and in meetings with them, might not realize that this is her job. The coach and AD tell their assistants to put all calls from the president, the media, lawyers, and parents, to voice mail, and not allow anyone to get past the receptionist desk--because they need to focus all attention on making determinations regarding the bail.

Yup, this is the way it works in the real world.First if all you leave the kid in jail until the next day so they learn.

Second they broke the rules set forth by the NCAA. Like it or not it's the rule. Deal with it and quit making excuses.


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[Grizzlies82]

there is so much misinformation here. Griz fans are brutal and some wanted to run Bobby Hauck out for only being freaking 14-1 for crying out loud. Now those same fans would be happy with 12-2 LOL. I will be surprised if Hauck is actually hired. If he is hired you can bet he will be under pressure to win, which he should do as Stitt was a good recruiter and we should be loaded.


Griz fans can be brutal and as a whole have very high expectations, but 'they' didn't want to run Hauck off for being 14-1.

That was just Alpha and his tiny band of minnows swimming in their same pond of internet delusion. Hauck won or tied for the conference championship each year he coached Montana and took the team to three national championship games. Since he never won one of those championships a few (a very few) felt relieved when he left to take the Vegas job. Currently there are mixed emotions about his potential return. Many long for the consistent winning he had. Though others wonder about catching lightning in the bottle twice. Though at this point it is not known if Hauck has even been offered the job.

[cx500d]

Griz fans can be brutal and as a whole have very high expectations, but 'they' didn't want to run Hauck off for being 14-1.

That was just Alpha and his tiny band of minnows swimming in their same pond of internet delusion. Hauck won or tied for the conference championship each year he coached Montana and took the team to three national championship games. Since he never won one of those championships a few (a very few) felt relieved when he left to take the Vegas job. Currently there are mixed emotions about his potential return. Many long for the consistent winning he had. Though others wonder about catching lightning in the bottle twice. Though at this point it is not known if Hauck has even been offered the job.


Was Hauck the coach when you lost to that Division II school?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yes

The delusional masses give him a pass on that game, and the UMASS game, and the Wofford game and the JMU game and the Richmond game and the Villanova game......and so on on and so forth over and over again.

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[caribbeanhen]

Yes

The delusional masses give him a pass on that game, and the UMASS game, and the Wofford game and the JMU game and the Richmond game and the Villanova game......and so on on and so forth over and over again.

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when the CAA was good

[cx500d]

when the CAA was good

They still have the team to beat


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[caribbeanhen]

They still have the team to beat


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Yes, much like the MFVC, The CAA has become Paul and Wings the comeback tour.... (no Linda jokes now)

[cx500d]

Yes, much like the MFVC, The CAA has become Paul and Wings the comeback tour.... (no Linda jokes now)

I would never....


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[veinup]

so where's coach Bobby?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

In Missoula

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[veinup]

any idea who else is interviewing, or is this just a formality for new coach bobby?

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Well I guess that Montana is no longer a go to spot in the FCS ranks. For sure, if they were then they could have gotten a much better coach, he has done nothing since he was there last time.

His Special Teams unit at San Diego state is the best in the nation and he has directly helped SDSU be a top G5 team. Thats from the people at SDSU. People that Dont think Hauck is a good coach simply dont want to know.

He led the Montana program during the best years of football and dominance at the university.

Montana was constantly playing in national chippers, semi finals and won the Big Sky every year he was there. Almost every team in the country would take the 7 years of dominance while Hauck was there.

I dont know if he will repeat that success, but I do know his teams will be perfectly disciplined on the field...play tough hard punishing football.....and he scares the HELL out of Cat fans with his complete lack of respect for STATE. I will take that any day.

[Daytripper]

His Special Teams unit at San Diego state is the best in the nation and he has directly helped SDSU be a top G5 team. Thats from the people at SDSU. People that Dont think Hauck is a good coach simply dont want to know.

He led the Montana program during the best years of football and dominance at the university.

Montana was constantly playing in national chippers, semi finals and won the Big Sky every year he was there. Almost every team in the country would take the 7 years of dominance while Hauck was there.

I dont know if he will repeat that success, but I do know his teams will be perfectly disciplined on the field...play tough hard punishing football.....and he scares the HELL out of Cat fans with his complete lack of respect for STATE. I will take that any day.

No matter what you think of him, he can't be worse than Stitt, can he?

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Yes

The delusional masses give him a pass on that game, and the UMASS game, and the Wofford game and the JMU game and the Richmond game and the Villanova game......and so on on and so forth over and over again.

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I would stick my dick in a rabid badgers mouth just to be in the position to lose those type of games again....

[BadlandsGrizFan]

No matter what you think of him, he can't be worse than Stitt, can he?


No way!!!!

[Daytripper]

I would stick my dick in a rabid badgers mouth just to be in the position to lose those type of games again....

Thanks for a visual that will be with me all day....NOT!

[BNATION]

Hahaha I love it. Playing in those big games is what its all about. At the end of the day only one team wins the ship. The boat ride is still fun for the rest of us. Watching the boat sail by is by far the worst. Hope the Griz have success coming I miss waxing that ass. xdrunkyx


I would stick my dick in a rabid badgers mouth just to be in the position to lose those type of games again....

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hahaha I love it. Playing in those big games is what its all about. At the end of the day only one team wins the ship. The boat ride is still fun for the rest of us. Watching the boat sail by is by far the worst. Hope the Griz have success coming I miss waxing that ass. xdrunkyx

We enjoyed waxing SHSU too so hope it comes back around again. You might even get a chance to pull even in the series.xdrunkyx:D

[BNATION]

Haha no doubt my man. Looking forward to re-igniting what was a really fun N VS S rivalry.


We enjoyed waxing SHSU too so hope it comes back around again. You might even get a chance to pull even in the series.xdrunkyx:D

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I would stick my dick in a rabid badgers mouth just to be in the position to lose those type of games again....I would let you

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[slostang]

Will be announced on Monday or Tuesday depending on Haucks travel schedule.

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Hauck interviewed in Missoula today so I guess announcement tomorrow?

[dewey]

Hahaha I love it. Playing in those big games is what its all about. At the end of the day only one team wins the ship. The boat ride is still fun for the rest of us. Watching the boat sail by is by far the worst. Hope the Griz have success coming I miss waxing that ass. xdrunkyx

Very well said sir and I completely agree. I am hoping that the Griz can come back to their historic form.

Go Griz!

Dewey

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Hauck interviewed in Missoula today so I guess announcement tomorrow?LOL

Yes at 1pm mst

LOL interviewed.......LOL


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[wapiti]

Were there other legitimate applicants other than Hauck?

Seems like a booster is calling the shots for the griz. Including who to hire.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Boosters

[slostang]

LOL

Yes at 1pm mst

LOL interviewed.......LOL


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All I am hearing out of Missoula is crickets. If it is going to be today you would think we would be hearing more out of Missoula by now.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Well there is always the possibility that the guy in the AD that told me 1pm found out I posted this and pushed it back to make me look bad. Highly likely scenario IMO

[Bisonator]

Well there is always the possibility that the guy in the AD that told me 1pm found out I posted this and pushed it back to make me look bad. Highly likely scenario IMO


Stitt happened again?xlolx

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

How is this thread not a sticky?

Its the most important thing going on in FCS football at the moment. Seriously what else is going on right now where this thread isnt staying near the top of the board?

So pedestrian

[slostang]

Chirp, chirp, chirp....

[Catbooster]

Is there any news about this? It's been over a week since Stitt was canned and I haven't seen anything about the process, timeframe, etc. let alone a short list of candidates.

The only news I've seen is that Haslam interviewed Hauck and the search is progressing.

[JALMOND]

Is there any news about this? It's been over a week since Stitt was canned and I haven't seen anything about the process, timeframe, etc. let alone a short list of candidates.

The only news I've seen is that Haslam interviewed Hauck and the search is progressing.

Maybe they want to see if McElwain is interested. Take one shot at a home run.xlolx

[PantherRob82]

One of my sources in Missoula said Greg Schiano was seen at the Mo Club tonight and is interviewing tomorrow.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Here is one of the reasons the 1pm announcement was called off

https://www.change.org/p/lisa-davey-tell-the-university-of-montana-not-to-hire-hauck-women-are-more-important-than-winning?recruiter=20468799&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive&sharerUserId=20468799

[Catbooster]

This is why I've been hoping that UM isn't really going to hire Bobby. I may enjoy giving Griz fans crap from time to time, but I don't like to see the school struggle like they have been recently. With the declining enrollment, budget cuts, etc. I don't think Bobby's worth the baggage he brings.

Whether you think the claims of permissive culture, problem players, etc. is legitimate or not, whether it's fair or not, I think that perception of Bobby is more widespread than many of the football fans realize. And Bobby didn't do himself any favors with his dispute with the school newspaper, and getting a derogatory ESPN article written about it. To many people he came across as a spoiled little bitch.

It's been almost ten years. Maybe he's grown and matured. Maybe the perception isn't fair. But I'm not sure UM can afford to ignore it for a guy that was a pretty damn good coach in a completely different time and situation.

[mvemjsunpx]

This is why I've been hoping that UM isn't really going to hire Bobby. I may enjoy giving Griz fans crap from time to time, but I don't like to see the school struggle like they have been recently. With the declining enrollment, budget cuts, etc. I don't think Bobby's worth the baggage he brings.

Whether you think the claims of permissive culture, problem players, etc. is legitimate or not, whether it's fair or not, I think that perception of Bobby is more widespread than many of the football fans realize. And Bobby didn't do himself any favors with his dispute with the school newspaper, and getting a derogatory ESPN article written about it. To many people he came across as a spoiled little bitch.

It's been almost ten years. Maybe he's grown and matured. Maybe the perception isn't fair. But I'm not sure UM can afford to ignore it for a guy that was a pretty damn good coach in a completely different time and situation.

I largely agree with this. The attacks against him the last couple days are somewhat unfair (like bringing up Jordan Johnson, which has nothing to do with anything), but the problem for Hauck is that they're only somewhat unfair and not totally unfair. He probably shouldn't be blamed for a lot of the off-the-field issues during his tenure, but there's also the Kaimin spat and the Greg Coleman home-invasion thing—Coleman had already been kicked off Iowa State for assault before Hauck brought him in. Add those issues to him already being an unlikable douche and it's not hard to see why he's so polarizing. The fact that he is so polarizing is plenty of reason not to hire him, IMO, especially since there's no proof he can actually make a football program better than it was before he came in.

I have another possible concern, too. Given the current national climate regarding sexual assault/harassment and Hauck being in the news, it wouldn't shock me if someone came forward accusing a Hauck-era player of sexual assault or rape. WTF does Haslam do then, especially if Hauck's already signed the contract? Does he keep him under risk of constant distraction & protests from the community, or does he fire him and basically burn up $500,000 of the university's money? Of course, if he doesn't hire Hauck, everybody starts to wonder why he fired Stitt in the first place. It's kind of a no-win scenario for Haslam, and one he wouldn't have been in if he hadn't made that poor decision last Monday.

[Iridebikes]

Here is one of the reasons the 1pm announcement was called off

https://www.change.org/p/lisa-davey-tell-the-university-of-montana-not-to-hire-hauck-women-are-more-important-than-winning?recruiter=20468799&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive&sharerUserId=20468799

Ladies got a point. I can't root for the Griz except in the playoffs but their public perception may be better without Hauck. They continued to have some serious behavior issues (assault in Whitman county WASH.) this year and it would be nice if they could clean this up.

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Ladies got a point. I can't root for the Griz except in the playoffs but their public perception may be better without Hauck. They continued to have some serious behavior issues (assault in Whitman county WASH.) this year and it would be nice if they could clean this up.

The comments those morons are leaving are unreal......basically saying Bobby Hauck is the reason people are raped....

"no women is safe on campus while Bobby is there" WTF are we talking about

All these incidents were handled with players getting kicked off the team...and some of them happened when players were already removed from the team.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Hauck actually has done more to keep women safe than the dumb ****s starting petitions.

He is a disciplinarian and a hard ass but he's just a coach. No coach in the country can keep 80-100 kids out of trouble 24/7.

The kids commiting these crimes have parents that can't do it and that is a 1:1 or 1:2 ratio. The gal that started the petition needs to be brought up on charges just like a false rape accusation and her boss should be fired for it.

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[BisonTru]

One of my sources in Missoula said Greg Schiano was seen at the Mo Club tonight and is interviewing tomorrow.

I heard Jon Gruden is applying.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

We don't want Gruden

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[dewey]

He is a disciplinarian and a hard ass but he's just a coach. No coach in the country can keep 80-100 kids out of trouble 24/7.

The kids commiting these crimes have parents that can't do it and that is a 1:1 or 1:2 ratio. The gal that started the petition needs to be brought up on charges just lime a false rape accusation and her boss should be fired for it.

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http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26642&stc=1

Dewey

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hauck actually has done more to keep women safe than the dumb ****s starting petitions.

He is a disciplinarian and a hard ass but he's just a coach. No coach in the country can keep 80-100 kids out of trouble 24/7.

The kids commiting these crimes have parents that can't do it and that is a 1:1 or 1:2 ratio. The gal that started the petition needs to be brought up on charges just lime a false rape accusation and her boss should be fired for it.

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I too always find it fairly stupid that people want to blame coaches for most incidents that players run up against with doing bad things. We never go after any other teachers of any other part of their lives but when it's the coach people gotta change their opinions and got against that tribe.

If that coach is specifically making bad decisions and bringing in criminals that is a different story. He is not easy on players that screw up. Hell I remember Chase Reynolds fumbling a football once and sitting the rest of the half. xlolx

But others may have differing opinions and I don't really care if they are wrong or not.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If she can do it to Hauck then I guess she's fair game. She has already blocked me on Twitter after this picture and her home and work address were Tweeted.

I am starting to love the millennial asshole that think they can intimidate people on social media. #Hauc****2017 #DoxxParty



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[jadmt]

Dynamics of the University has changed. When BH was coaching, George Dennison was prez and he loved football more than he loved anything else so things were regarded as acceptable that would no longer be acceptable. It will be interesting to see how Bodnar will be.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

None of the excuses change the fact that Bobby Hauck himself didn't rape anyone and this stupid bitch thinks she can defame him because she doesn't like football and hates men.

**** her! She even put on her Twitter that she "likes it when men are uncomfortable" well that street goes both ways.



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[Schism55]

If she can do it to Hauck then I guess she's fair game. She has already blocked me on Twitter after this picture and her home and work address were Tweeted.

I am starting to love the millennial asshole that think they can intimidate people on social media. #Hauc****2017 #DoxxParty



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Someone blocked you on Twitter? Hell you say!
I probably laughed harder at that pic than I should have xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I too always find it fairly stupid that people want to blame coaches for most incidents that players run up against with doing bad things. We never go after any other teachers of any other part of their lives but when it's the coach people gotta change their opinions and got against that tribe.

If that coach is specifically making bad decisions and bringing in criminals that is a different story. He is not easy on players that screw up. Hell I remember Chase Reynolds fumbling a football once and sitting the rest of the half. xlolx

But others may have differing opinions and I don't really care if they are wrong or not.

Just read this and it sort of goes along with the thought that Hauck doesn't let undisciplined chaps slide and get by.



BOZEMAN — How did an undersized and overlooked walk-on from Butte morph into an All-Big Sky Conference safety and go on to appear in eight seasons (so far) in the NFL?
more here:
http://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/ex-montana-football-players-advocate-for-bobby-hauck-s-return/article_811fba8d-7c7a-5f98-8b18-6e277af16768.html

[mvemjsunpx]

If that coach is specifically making bad decisions and bringing in criminals that is a different story.

Hauck did do that with Greg Coleman, though.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hauck did do that with Greg Coleman, though.

Yes, that is the acknowledgement I made in that one. You might do it once and then learn your lesson but if you continue to do so then it's time to really crack down on a fellers decision making.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hauck did do that with Greg Coleman, though.

Meant to put this in the last post but did he ever do this again? Or even prior? I can't think of any is why I ask.

[mvemjsunpx]

Meant to put this in the last post but did he ever do this again? Or even prior? I can't think of any is why I ask.

Not that I recall. I guess there was the Brent Russum thing, which was actually before Greg Coleman, where he was kicked off Arizona State for taking naked pictures of a girl without permission. I'm not aware of him doing anything while at UM, though.

[mvemjsunpx]

Calm the hell down man, she’s wrong for saying that but you’re taking things way too seriously. Just take a deep breath and chill out.

If there are any two words that shouldn't be associated together, it's "Alpha" & "serious."

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If there are any two words that shouldn't be associated together, it's "Alpha" & "serious."So true

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

So about an hour and 42 mins ago I was told 100% lock Hauck is the new HC at Montana, starts contacting recruits tomorrow.

UM will probably do a press release Friday and press conference Monday.

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[mvemjsunpx]

So about an hour and 42 mins ago I was told 100% lock Hauck is the new HC at Montana, starts contacting recruits tomorrow.

UM will probably do a press release Friday and press conference Monday.

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Haslam is denying it, but Skyline & ABC/Fox are more-or-less confirming this.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

So about an hour and 42 mins ago I was told 100% lock Hauck is the new HC at Montana, starts contacting recruits tomorrow.

UM will probably do a press release Friday and press conference Monday.

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I was starting to worry about some time slipping away being fairly sure this was going to be our path not really getting the waiting so far but must be a reason.

I don't want to mention the OC I had heard as being talked about or whatever and I know you had heard the same thing but wondering if any talk on that and should it even be mentioned here? Don't do it if not please.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Haslam is denying it, but Skyline & ABC/Fox are more-or-less confirming this.

Hadn't seen that. I better go turn on the news!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Haslam is denying it, but Skyline & ABC/Fox are more-or-less confirming this.Yep I just got a text Haslam is pissed off

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yeah ABC just said tomorrow they announce as all papers aren't filed yet and as a side note Baldwin was scooped on OSU job by former Griz OC under Pflugrad?

Didn't know if I heard that right or not.


I forgot I could rewind. xlolx

Pflu's old OC Jonathan Smith is Oregon State's new HC due to some contract stuff with Beau Baldwin apparently so now two former UM guys head both the Basketball and Football at OSU.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yeah ABC just said tomorrow they announce as all papers aren't filed yet and as a side note Baldwin was scooped on OSU job by former Griz OC under Pflugrad?

Didn't know if I heard that right or not.


I forgot I could rewind. xlolx

Pflu's old OC Jonathan Smith is Oregon State's new HC due to some contract stuff with Beau Baldwin apparently so now two former UM guys head both the Basketball and Football at OSU.Good for Smith he will be better than Baldwin anyway. Way over rated

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Good for Smith he will be better than Baldwin anyway. Way over rated

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He might be great for them and sure hope so but Baldwin was not overrated brother. I know you want to drop a bomb but I'd rather see this thread stay relatively decent at least for a few more days.:D


Guess you didn't want to answer the other question...probably just as well because I sure don't want to mess with that man's livelihood and hoping for some good news for him.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Two days ago I made this post in our podcast forum for the show but they didn't use it. I saw Skyline used the number in the title but didn't read the article yet but of interest to me was this?



http://missoulian.com/sports/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/former-montana-coach-bobby-hauck-interviewing-this-week-for-football/article_d73a552f-8770-5c5b-b6bf-39028d963f7b.html

If he were hired he would be coach #37. Special enough by the number alone but the fact that this Jersey was started by Kraig Paulson (Former Staff) and his brother was the 1st recipient and the man that made this tradition extra special while Bobby was going to school at UM and began his coaching career is sort of ironic/odd occurrence.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

A guy on maroonblood just said there is a very real chance Gregorak comes back as DC, god I hope not. Also said that Rosenbach is the OC if he accepts the job

[mvemjsunpx]

A guy on maroonblood just said there is a very real chance Gregorak comes back as DC, god I hope not. Also said that Rosenbach is the OC if he accepts the job

Now that's irony. The same coordinators from Montana's only losing season in the past 32 years.

[Catbooster]

Congrats on the hire. I hope he's an above average coach for you xthumbsupx

I hope his players all behave so the people who start online petitions, etc. look foolish

[IBleedYellow]

Schedule more DII teams while he's your coach! xthumbsupx

[100%GRIZ]

A guy on maroonblood just said there is a very real chance Gregorak comes back as DC, god I hope not. Also said that Rosenbach is the OC if he accepts the job
What is Maroonblood?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Another Griz football forum

[jadmt]

What is Maroonblood?
misinformation highway.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Funny, but the 37 Club guys had this pegged weeks ago and they even nailed the OC and DC.

If you havent figured out that the main purpose behind the main site is to make fun of the tools at the other place then please, please, please dont come there anymore.

[Silenoz]

37 Club?
edit: nevermind, I see

[ursus arctos horribilis]

A guy on maroonblood just said there is a very real chance Gregorak comes back as DC, god I hope not. Also said that Rosenbach is the OC if he accepts the job

No, having Gregorak back will taint this whole thing for me if that is the case. Didn't care for him prior, especially wouldn't care for him now.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

misinformation highway.

Well it sure got dis information right now didn't it?

[BisonTru]

No, having Gregorak back will taint this whole thing for me if that is the case. Didn't care for him prior, especially wouldn't care for him now.

Yeah I am not sure Gregorak is a good fit. I still like him and think highly of him, but every single Griz fan I've seen doesn't share that opinion. It would be a lose/lose for all involved. Right, wrong, or indifferent.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Wait until the Missoulian hit piece comes out on me and the site tomorrow!

I gave some good ammo for them to use.

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[uofmman1122]

A guy on maroonblood just said there is a very real chance Gregorak comes back as DC, god I hope not.
****. That.

[PantherRob82]

xlolx

[kdinva]

From what I've read, Coach Hauck needs to tighten the leash on his players, if he is hired......don't ignore off the field antics, etc....

[PantherRob82]

From what I've read, Coach Hauck needs to tighten the leash on his players, if he is hired......don't ignore off the field antics, etc....
What did you read?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

From what I've read, Coach Hauck needs to tighten the leash on his players, if he is hired......don't ignore off the field antics, etc....

He doesn't and you just don't know what you are talking about here. He is and always was a disciplinarian. He probably made a mistake in a couple of recruits but as I said prior why does their mistake fall simply on a coach? We don't go after band leaders if a god damn tuba player gets a DUI or any other thing that is illegal.

But as I said yesterday, don't care really if people want to think whatever I'll point out some flaws in philosophy and such but the rest I don't care too much about I guess. I do appreciate a good argument though so who knows...:D

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The posts concerning Alf are over on the thread in the lounge and we will try and keep this one a little more to the topic title and place those over there where they fit better. Thanks in advance.

[wapiti]

The posts concerning Alf are over on the thread in the lounge and we will try and keep this one a little more to the topic title and place those over there where they fit better. Thanks in advance.

Got it. Thanks

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Got it. Thanksxthumbsupx

[uni88]

He doesn't and you just don't know what you are talking about here. He is and always was a disciplinarian. He probably made a mistake in a couple of recruits but as I said prior why does their mistake fall simply on a coach? We don't go after band leaders if a god damn tuba player gets a DUI or any other thing that is illegal.

But as I said yesterday, don't care really if people want to think whatever I'll point out some flaws in philosophy and such but the rest I don't care too much about I guess. I do appreciate a good argument though so who knows...:D

I have no problem with a coach taking a chance on a kid that has had some problems. People who are willing to admit to their mistakes and learn from them usually deserve a 2nd chance. The key is to have the structure in place to help keep them on track. Even then some are going to stray and screw up again but overall you've done a service to society by helping those you did.

I would not blame a coach for isolated incidents but the buck does stop with him if there is a pattern and it looks like he's recruiting bad boys without worrying about the structure.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I have no problem with a coach taking a chance on a kid that has had some problems. People who are willing to admit to their mistakes and learn from them usually deserve a 2nd chance. The key is to have the structure in place to help keep them on track. Even then some are going to stray and screw up again but overall you've done a service to society by helping those you did.

I would not blame a coach for isolated incidents but the buck does stop with him if there is a pattern and it looks like he's recruiting bad boys without worrying about the structure.

I agree with you on the 2nd chances and wonder what it is that points you to the conclusion structure wasn't in place? Was it the testimony of former players that said it absolutely was a very structured atmosphere?

I wonder if we did an analysis of troubled students outside of the sports arena vs. inside what our results would be? I doubt that it ends up being worse in the FB program but I could be wrong. Some of this was players that were out of the program when they did commit their infractions etc. so if we really look into each circumstance I don't know how we blame the coach but no other teacher, employer, or anything else takes the blame. This **** goes on the individual and I agree that a coach needs to try and mitigate any bad seeds as much as possible...while trying to be a decent person and give a chance, or a 2nd chance to individuals he thinks might deserve this.

Seems like a pretty tough call doesn't it?

[uni88]

I agree with you on the 2nd chances and wonder what it is that points you to the conclusion structure wasn't in place? Was it the testimony of former players that said it absolutely was a very structured atmosphere?

I wonder if we did an analysis of troubled students outside of the sports arena vs. inside what our results would be? I doubt that it ends up being worse in the FB program but I could be wrong. Some of this was players that were out of the program when they did commit their infractions etc. so if we really look into each circumstance I don't know how we blame the coach but no other teacher, employer, or anything else takes the blame. This **** goes on the individual and I agree that a coach needs to try and mitigate any bad seeds as much as possible...while trying to be a decent person and give a chance, or a 2nd chance to individuals he thinks might deserve this.

Seems like a pretty tough call doesn't it?

I wasn't trying to insinuate that the structure wasn't there. On the contrary, I was simply presenting an opinion that taking kids with problems isn't necessarily a bad thing and why and when you do that you're going to occasionally have someone who screws up. It seems like there were a handful of isolated incidents which to me looks like some screw ups not a pattern. Sorry if I didn't communicate that well in my original post.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I wasn't trying to insinuate that the structure wasn't there. On the contrary, I was simply presenting an opinion that taking kids with problems isn't necessarily a bad thing and why and when you do that you're going to occasionally have someone who screws up. It seems like there were a handful of isolated incidents which to me looks like some screw ups not a pattern. Sorry if I didn't communicate that well in my original post.

I gotcha now. I think mvem and I had talked on here yesterday and he only took two kids that had any previous problems on that 2nd chance front. Completely agree with you then after all.

[100%GRIZ]

Well it is officially official - Press conference at 10:30 am today Friday Dec.. 1.

[dewey]

Well it is officially official - Press conference at 10:30 am today Friday Dec.. 1.

Here is the link for all to see.

Like him or not the guy won a LOT of games when he was there.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/bobby-hauck-officially-named-next-montana-football-coach/article_ed0daf90-bb5b-59bd-8502-1745060433ef.html

Dewey

[BadlandsGrizFan]

The posts concerning Alf are over on the thread in the lounge and we will try and keep this one a little more to the topic title and place those over there where they fit better. Thanks in advance.


Where is the lounge?

[BisonTru]

Where is the lounge?

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forumdisplay.php?8-AGS-Lounge

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Here is the link for all to see.

Like him or not the guy won a LOT of games when he was there.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/bobby-hauck-officially-named-next-montana-football-coach/article_ed0daf90-bb5b-59bd-8502-1745060433ef.html

Dewey

I should have posted this prior but I was pretty sure when the presser was held that the very first question Hauck would pick would be from a Kaimin reporter. I at least thought that would be the correct move in mending the few bridges he needed to. It looks like he made a concerted effort to do that. Good work by him.

[IBleedYellow]

https://twitter.com/billoram/status/936631985010704384

[grizband]

Hauck nailed that presser this morning. He's clearly still passionate about coaching, and the Griz, but seems to have matured with age since his original tenure at Montana. Addressed points that needed to be covered, but didn't linger long enough to sully the overal tone. I think Hauck signing as the 37th coach at Montana - seriously, you can't make this up - is awesome, and I'm excited for the coming years!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

https://twitter.com/Amie_Just/status/936652576547733505

[ursus arctos horribilis]

https://twitter.com/Amie_Just/status/936648212328284161

[Grizalltheway]

https://twitter.com/billoram/status/936631985010704384

Waah waah waah

[dewey]

I should have posted this prior but I was pretty sure when the presser was held that the very first question Hauck would pick would be from a Kaimin reporter. I at least thought that would be the correct move in mending the few bridges he needed to. It looks like he made a concerted effort to do that. Good work by him.


Kaimin reporter? Autocorrect?

Dewey

[CrunchGriz]

Kaimin reporter? Autocorrect?

Dewey

The Kaimin is the student newspaper at UM, with which Bobby had a famous run-in while he was head coach before.

[dewey]

The Kaimin is the student newspaper at UM, with which Bobby had a famous run-in while he was head coach before.Ahhh. Thanks for the information.

Dewey

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[MTfan4life]

https://twitter.com/billoram/status/936631985010704384

Went to school with that guy. He worked all the way up to Editor of the Montana Kaimin (the student newspaper) during Bobby Hauck's tenure, so it's almost a guarantee he was going to be salty about Hauck. The common agreement even back then was that the Kaimin was always on the whiny end of things always assuming Hauck should just be on his knees serving their constant complaints. This statement is just a reiteration of the past where Bill and his cronies couldn't get their way back then and need to whine about it now.

[Grizalltheway]

Went to school with that guy. He worked all the way up to Editor of the Montana Kaimin (the student newspaper) during Bobby Hauck's tenure, so it's almost a guarantee he was going to be salty about Hauck. The common agreement even back then was that the Kaimin was always on the whiny end of things always assuming Hauck should just be on his knees serving their constant complaints. This statement is just a reiteration of the past where Bill and his cronies couldn't get their way back then and need to whine about it now.

My sister worked for the Kaimin during his first tenure (not as a sports reporter) but it's been a fun couple of days. xlolx

[Silenoz]

Went to school with that guy. He worked all the way up to Editor of the Montana Kaimin (the student newspaper) during Bobby Hauck's tenure, so it's almost a guarantee he was going to be salty about Hauck. The common agreement even back then was that the Kaimin was always on the whiny end of things always assuming Hauck should just be on his knees serving their constant complaints. This statement is just a reiteration of the past where Bill and his cronies couldn't get their way back then and need to whine about it now.

Well I personally know Bill and most of the "cronies" and would say they had every right to be salty. And right or wrong, most people outside of us Griz fans see the end of his reign as being incident-ridden

[MTfan4life]

http://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/jeff-welsch-with-bobby-hauck-what-you-see-isn-t/article_7a520de1-387c-5f27-9b18-754449a85bf8.html


My sole moment in time with one Bobby Hauck came in the summer of 2005, the day after the official start of his third season on his first go-round as Montana’s head football coach.

Interesting article from someone who was a sports reporter in Bozeman during Hauck's first tenure.

The one thing that's nice about having a coach who grew up in Montana. You know they are going to get fired up over the Brawl. There's a huge difference in appreciation when you've spent most of your life living around so many football fans who really only care about that one game.

[floridagriz15]

Well I personally know Bill and most of the "cronies" and would say they had every right to be salty. And right or wrong, most people outside of us Griz fans see the end of his reign as being incident-ridden

I did personally know him as well from my time at the school and I will say he was an arrogant prick that thought the Kaimin was all that. All things considering everyone has a right to their opinion, so there's that.

Also the Kaimin has and will always be a ****ty organization.

[Silenoz]

I will say he was an arrogant prick

Well he's a Griz fan. That's practically our birthright

[floridagriz15]

Well he's a Griz fan. That's practically our birthright

That's a fair point.

[Green26]

No, having Gregorak back will taint this whole thing for me if that is the case. Didn't care for him prior, especially wouldn't care for him now.

Gregorak is a great guy and very good DC. Wish he would come back, but doubt it.

[Green26]

From what I've read, Coach Hauck needs to tighten the leash on his players, if he is hired......don't ignore off the field antics, etc....

Hauck is the biggest disciplinarian UM has ever had. Make a big mistake, and you're gone. He sent a first team pre-season senior all-American corner packing for waiving a gun from the window of a car. Didn't point it at anyone. The kid went D-II for his last year and now coaches for NAU. Hauck probably helped find him a place to transfer to. For minor infractions, like being late to a meeting or having a cell phone go off in a meeting, punishment would be running up a mountain to the M, at 5am in the morning, for a few days. Assistant coach would meet the player, give him a flashlight to use, and then the player would have to flash signals down to the asst coach when he got to the top. I think these had time limits too. It would be dark, and sometimes cold.

[Professor Chaos]

It would be dark, and sometimes cold.
But was it LOUD????

[NDSUtk]

But was it LOUD????

Damn it, beat me to it. And I must spread reputation around...

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Gregorak is a great guy and very good DC. Wish he would come back, but doubt it.

Don't act like you are the only mother****er that knows people. I've watched him be not a great a guy a lot of times in Red's so my opinion differs on him as do many other people's on Bobby.

He's a ****ing jackass and I don't want to see him back here. Doubt Bobby would ever let a Cat in the mix anyway.

[mvemjsunpx]

Don't act like you are the only mother****er that knows people. I've watched him be not a great a guy a lot of times in Red's so my opinion differs on him as do many other people's on Bobby.

He's a ****ing jackass and I don't want to see him back here. Doubt Bobby would ever let a Cat in the mix anyway.

I can't imagine bringing him back would be popular with the current team members. It's one thing for Mick Delaney to coach in both Missoula & Bozeman, since he's a Montana coaching institution and his MSU & UM stints were 30 years apart, but this would be quite different. Example: what if Jerome Souers had left for MSU in, say, 1992, and tried to go back to the Griz in 1995? How popular would that have been?


Hauck: "I hate the 'Cats. By the way, let's welcome the Cat Defensive Coordinator."
Team: xeyebrowx

[veinup]

please share some stories of Gregorak at Red's. never really spent much time in there myself..

[Green26]

Don't act like you are the only mother****er that knows people. I've watched him be not a great a guy a lot of times in Red's so my opinion differs on him as do many other people's on Bobby.

He's a ****ing jackass and I don't want to see him back here. Doubt Bobby would ever let a Cat in the mix anyway.

Don't agree. Suspect you are the jackass. TG was a different person when he returned to Missoula the second time. Wasn't out and about much.

When did you see him at Red's? In his 2d or 1st stint at UM? I'll try to remember to ask the owner of Red's when I see him.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Don't agree. Suspect you are the jackass. TG was a different person when he returned to Missoula the second time. Wasn't out and about much.

When did you see him at Red's? In his 2d or 1st stint at UM? I'll try to remember to ask the owner of Red's when I see him.

Will ya? I'll call Mike and let him know you'll be by to ask. The better one to ask would be Von but he will soft pedal it cuz he's a bit too nice unless you are a good enough friend so when you are there and need the real information have him call and I'll let him know to tell you the real stories.

Did he get better his 2nd time around? Possibly.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

please share some stories of Gregorak at Red's. never really spent much time in there myself..

Eh, that is sort of not something I don't really want to get into and I edited my past to Green to take some info. out that I figure I don't want to put on the board and don't really feel like disparaging a whole lot on it. He was not a "great guy" was the point from what I had seen a few times and possibly he has grown out of some of the former behavior but he's just not someone I'd care to see back as it is but with the move the Cats on top of that...not a f'n chance.

[Catbooster]

If he ever was a little wild, I'm sure that after a couple years with the Cats he's a model citizen now that he's out of that Griz environment ;)

[kdinva]

per footballscoop, Timm Rosenbach has resigned as HC of Adams State to be Montana's Off. Coord.


Sources tell us that Timm Rosenbach, who just resigned as the head coach at Adams State (D-II – CO), is heading to Montana as offensive coordinator.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

per footballscoop, Timm Rosenbach has resigned as HC of Adams State to be Montana's Off. Coord.

I think that is another one Alpha nailed a couple weeks back. It might have even been on this thread. That should be another good return for us hopefully.

[Silenoz]

per footballscoop, Timm Rosenbach has resigned as HC of Adams State to be Montana's Off. Coord.

https://media.giphy.com/media/1M9fmo1WAFVK0/giphy.gif

[Green26]

Don't agree. Suspect you are the jackass. TG was a different person when he returned to Missoula the second time. Wasn't out and about much.

When did you see him at Red's? In his 2d or 1st stint at UM? I'll try to remember to ask the owner of Red's when I see him.

You obviously don't know TG. I do. If you don't know he was different/better when he returned to Missoula, then you clearly don't know what you're talking about. You are just a big talker with little or no information.

[BadlandsGrizFan]

If he ever was a little wild, I'm sure that after a couple years with the Cats he's a model citizen now that he's out of that Griz environment ;)

Most people in that program do turn into pussies so youre probably right on your statement.

[centennial]

How much is his salary?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

You obviously don't know TG. I do. If you don't know he was different/better when he returned to Missoula, then you clearly don't know what you're talking about. You are just a big talker with little or no information.

You're right, that guy you quoted don't know Jack****.

[Silenoz]

You obviously don't know TG. I do. If you don't know he was different/better when he returned to Missoula, then you clearly don't know what you're talking about. You are just a big talker with little or no information.

Do you ever get tired of being so awesome and beloved by everyone?

[jadmt]

How much is his salary?

Slightly more than the UM prez is going to make. $300,000 plus depending on how he does. Apparently his contract has language he actually will get to run Main Hall how he sees fit so the new President will be on a pretty tight leash for at least a year or so until BH feels things are going the way he wants.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Slightly more than the UM prez is going to make. $300,000 plus depending on how he does. Apparently his contract has language he actually will get to run Main Hall how he sees fit so the new President will be on a pretty tight leash for at least a year or so until BH feels things are going the way he wants.

xlolx

[centennial]

Slightly more than the UM prez is going to make. $300,000 plus depending on how he does. Apparently his contract has language he actually will get to run Main Hall how he sees fit so the new President will be on a pretty tight leash for at least a year or so until BH feels things are going the way he wants.
Almost 100k more than Stitt?

[mvemjsunpx]

Almost 100k more than Stitt?

I believe his contract is a bit more incentive laden than Stitt's (including a lot of off-the-field player-conduct stuff). The $300+k number includes fulfilling all of that.

Also, in a bit of an ironic twist, it sounds like (per eGriz) that Andrew Selle & Mike Ferriter won't be retained as assistants. That means Hauck's staff will likely have fewer ex-Hauck players on it than Stitt's did.

[Grizzlies82]

Almost 100k more than Stitt?

His base pay is $185M, about $20M for attending extra events, and another $25M or so for media shows. So his base plus for making himself available is about $230,000.

Then there are numerous additional incentives for the athletes attaining various academic benchmarks and for results on the field (wins, playoffs, etc...). Achieving all the incentives add about $100M and could result in about $330,000 total.

[Green26]

You're right, that guy you quoted don't know Jack****.

You don't know TG, and you don't know what you're talking about. It never ceases to amaze me how many people spout off on the internet about things they know little or nothing about, or just plain make up stuff or lie.

[Green26]

How much is his salary?

$185,000 plus all of the extras, incentives and bonuses, including media shows. If everything in the world went right, i.e. national championship and everyone on the team was a Rhodes Scholar, then a bit over $300,000, I think.

[Silenoz]

You don't know TG, and you don't know what you're talking about. It never ceases to amaze me how many people spout off on the internet about things they know little or nothing about, or just plain make up stuff or lie.
Since you know all perhaps you tell us what Ty said to me when i walked past him with Griz gear on in the Gallatin Valley Mall

[centennial]

$185,000 plus all of the extras, incentives and bonuses, including media shows. If everything in the world went right, i.e. national championship and everyone on the team was a Rhodes Scholar, then a bit over $300,000, I think.

As a comparison Coach Klieman from NDSU has 300k (+4% increase every year so 312k)as base. A NC season gets him 450-500k.

https://mcfeely.areavoices.com/2016/04/22/kliemans-contract-big-for-fcs-but-compared-to-fbs-not-so-much/

[ursus arctos horribilis]

You don't know TG, and you don't know what you're talking about. It never ceases to amaze me how many people spout off on the internet about things they know little or nothing about, or just plain make up stuff or lie.

I know, yet here you are continuing on with your lack of knowledge. When you go ask at Red's as you said you would then you will know you were wrong. Until then STFU.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Since you know all perhaps you tell us what Ty said to me when i walked past him with Griz gear on in the Gallatin Valley Mall

Well being a great guy I am sure it was something great and gracious? That was after his magical change of personality and so forth.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

As a comparison Coach Klieman from NDSU has 300k (+4% increase every year so 312k)as base. A NC season gets him 450-500k.

https://mcfeely.areavoices.com/2016/04/22/kliemans-contract-big-for-fcs-but-compared-to-fbs-not-so-much/

Dude we are never even close to the top of coaches salary and this amount is a bit of an edge up on our part.

[BisonTru]

Since you know all perhaps you tell us what Ty said to me when i walked past him with Griz gear on in the Gallatin Valley Mall

Where did he touch you and what did he say?

#Metoo

:D

[centennial]

Dude we are never even close to the top of coaches salary and this amount is a bit of an edge up on our part.

I am not throwing shade at Montana. I am surprised Montana upped it's commitment, especially with the enrollment issues.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I am not throwing shade at Montana. I am surprised Montana upped it's commitment, especially with the enrollment issues.

NDSU declined slightly last year too and I doubt they dipped Klieman's loot based on that right? I think UM's freshman enrollment edged up a bit this year as well but I don't really see how this makes a big difference in the football budget and what the state will allow but I'll admit I don't know the mechanisms on that one in detail...yet.:D

I was surprised a bit too as I had mentioned because it seemed like we went in a little deeper than before.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Since you know all perhaps you tell us what Ty said to me when i walked past him with Griz gear on in the Gallatin Valley Mall

This is a trick question!!!

Ty didnt say anything to you when you walked by because he was on the phone with Green26.

TG was coming off a 3 Zima lunch and called 26 to inform him that TY in fact chose himself to be Greenies secret Santa. I have it on good authority that G26 will be getting a new Fathead for Christmas!
https://a3-images.myspacecdn.com/images04/6/988246d65f5140bfa92b52f7c52a995f/full.jpg


Man is that gonna look good on the wall at the office!!!!!!!!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

https://www.change.org/p/griz-nation-we-fully-support-the-return-of-coach-bobby-hauck?recruiter=840808614&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition

[veinup]

Since you know all perhaps you tell us what Ty said to me when i walked past him with Griz gear on in the Gallatin Valley Mall

i'm curious.

[jadmt]

Since you know all perhaps you tell us what Ty said to me when i walked past him with Griz gear on in the Gallatin Valley Mall

He said "it sure going to feel good to be back in Griz gear". He is the new DC.

[grizband]

He said "it sure going to feel good to be back in Griz gear". He is the new DC.
I would be very surprised if this came to fruition!

[Green26]

I know, yet here you are continuing on with your lack of knowledge. When you go ask at Red's as you said you would then you will know you were wrong. Until then STFU.

You don't even know TG, and you have refused to provide any specifics. Think you are the one who needs to provide support for your statements. I have been with TG many times in bars, and at events and weddings, so I know what was going on.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

You don't even know TG, and you have refused to provide any specifics. Think you are the one who needs to provide support for your statements. I have been with TG many times in bars, and at events and weddings, so I know what was going on.

I'm not putting the man's dirty laundry on a message board and I gave you a way to easily find out what I am talking about. I don't need to know him personally or as a friend to have witnessed what he did several times that made me think of him as not as a "good guy". Either do what you said you would do or STFU, as I had mentioned earlier.

[Green26]

I'm not putting the man's dirty laundry on a message board and I gave you a way to easily find out what I am talking about. I don't need to know him personally or as a friend to have witnessed what he did several times that made me think of him as not as a "good guy". Either do what you said you would do or STFU, as I had mentioned earlier.

Nope, you either put up or shut up. Or, send me a PM. I will talk to Mike when I see him. Not rushing out to do anything for you. I know what I'd talking about and know TG well. You are dealing with old news. I've seen lots of people including coaches and fans drunk downtown. It happens all the time.I suppose you think think that you're always perfect when you out and about. I view people who throw crap like yours on the internet are pretty weak.

[PantherRob82]

Nope, you either put up or shut up. Or, send me a PM. I will talk to Mike when I see him. Not rushing out to do anything for you. I know what I'd talking about and know TG well. You are dealing with old news. I've seen lots of people including coaches and fans drunk downtown. It happens all the time.I suppose you think think that you're always perfect when you out and about. I view people who throw crap like yours on the internet are pretty weak.

You're pretty weak. xlolx

Your statements towards ursus couldn't be more asinine.

[Green26]

You're pretty weak. xlolx

Your statements towards ursus couldn't be more asinine.

How so? Ursus disses TG multiple times, but won't provide any back up. Admits he doesn't know TG. I know TG and have been with him scores of times out and about. I know he was a bit wild at times when he first came to UM as a kid in his mid-20's. When he returned for his second stint, he was much less wild. In fact, I never saw him out of line at all during his second stint. I generally don't believe people on the Internet who diss people without any backup or specifics. Maybe you are that gullible, but I'm not.

I can tell that you are probably one of those internet people who can't backup or explain what you say either.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I told you who to talk with and Mike might know some of it but Von is the guy who actually had to deal with it bitch. If you want the story then I gave you the source, you ain't getting anything else on it here. If you are a friend of his why would you want those stories out in public like this? Do you think you are such a smart guy that you have some trap set here? xlolx

STFU, I'm done telling you.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Nope, you either put up or shut up. Or, send me a PM. I will talk to Mike when I see him. Not rushing out to do anything for you. I know what I'd talking about and know TG well. You are dealing with old news. I've seen lots of people including coaches and fans drunk downtown. It happens all the time.I suppose you think think that you're always perfect when you out and about. I view people who throw crap like yours on the internet are pretty weak.

Hollow threats as usual, you are a tool.

Everyone in Missoula knows how ****ing stupid TG is when he drinks, hes a meathead and you are sticking up for a real "gentleman" when it comes to the ladies. Quit lying and like Ursus said STFU