AGS Poll Results - WEEK 11 - 11/13/2017

[AGSPoll]

AGS Poll Results - WEEK 11 - 11/13/2017



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
James Madison Dukes
1974
78
1


2
North Dakota State Bison
1820
1
4


3
Central Arkansas Bears
1804

3


4
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1752

2


5
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1661

5


6
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1534

6


7
Wofford Terriers
1464

8


8
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
1419

9


9
Stony Brook Seawolves
1221

11


10
Weber State Wildcats
1189

12


11
Western Illinois Leathernecks
1119

13


12
Elon Phoenix
1032

7


13
North Carolina A&T Aggies
921

14


14
Furman Paladins
891

15


15
South Dakota Coyotes
841

10


16
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
746

16


17
Northern Iowa Panthers
649

19


18
Samford Bulldogs
641

17


19
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
591

20


20
New Hampshire Wildcats
416

27


21
Monmouth Hawks
371

22


22
Montana Grizzlies
285

25


23
McNeese State Cowboys
269

24


24
Kennesaw State Owls
249

26


25
Eastern Washington Eagles
209

23

















ORV:





26
Illinois State Redbirds
194

21


27
Nicholls State Colonels
180

28


28
Western Carolina Catamounts
97

18


29
Grambling State Tigers
88

29


30
Yale Bulldogs
21

31


31
Richmond Spiders
12

30


32
Colgate Raiders
5

33


33T
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
3

NR


33T
Sacramento State Hornets
3

36


35T
Austin Peay Governors
2

35


35T
North Carolina Central Eagles
2

32






































Most Significant Win:

New Hampshire Wildcats




Most Significant Loss:

Elon Phoenix

























Fell Out Of Poll:





34
Villanova Wildcats







*Poll voters be thinking about the fact that next weekend is the final weekend of the season which means poll will close early so results are posted before Selection Show on Sunday morning. There will be a thread in the Poll Voter forum later today to outline it.

EKU is a very likely mistaken submission by somebody and that somebody did not look their ballot over closely enough to catch their own mistake. I don't know who you are but I am not happy with this. Check you ballots very closely next week and stop shrugging off you duty here.

[Daytripper]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Western Illinois Leathernecks
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Elon Phoenix
13: South Dakota Coyotes
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Furman Paladins
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Monmouth Hawks
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Kennesaw State Owls
24: Grambling State Tigers
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

Daytripper

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix

[Professor Chaos]

The Wedge blog post for this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-top-25-week-11-results-2/

Only thing that surprised me was Illinois St falling off so much. They took the #5 team in the poll to OT on the road with their 2nd string QB... not sure what all everyone that dropped them expected them to do.

[TheKingpin28]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Western Illinois Leathernecks
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Furman Paladins
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Western Carolina Catamounts
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Monmouth Hawks
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Kennesaw State Owls
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

[POD Knows]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/12/2017 8:59:07

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: Elon Phoenix
13: South Dakota Coyotes
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Furman Paladins
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Monmouth Hawks
23: Montana Grizzlies
24: Western Carolina Catamounts
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

EKU is a very likely mistaken submission by somebody and that somebody did not look their ballot over closely enough to catch their own mistake. I don't know who you are but I am not happy with this. Check you ballots very closely next week and stop shrugging off you duty here.
I would guess this is supposed to be for Eastern Washington but it's kind of telling that you're too lazy to check your poll ballot for mistakes and too lazy to take 6-4 Eastern Washington out of #23 on your poll ballot when they have one quality win over Montana and there are plenty of teams that are actually deserving of those last few spots that have already won 8 or 9 games this year.

[PantherRob82]

Someone needs to get out of here with the NDSU first place vote. xlolx

[Daytripper]

Someone needs to get out of here with the NDSU first place vote. xlolx

It wasn't me but I don't have a problem with it. You could make the argument..

[nevadagriz]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Western Illinois Leathernecks
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Elon Phoenix
13: South Dakota Coyotes
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Furman Paladins
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Monmouth Hawks
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Kennesaw State Owls
24: Grambling State Tigers
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

Daytripper

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix

no Montana? I would think they would be atleast 25?

[Professor Chaos]

18: Western Carolina Catamounts

Did you miss what happened to them last Saturday?

[Daytripper]

no Montana? I would think they would be atleast 25?

They were on the bubble. 20-30 you can just toss them in the air and see where they fall.

[TheKingpin28]

Did you miss what happened to them last Saturday?

No. I know what happened, but I had them at 15 last week, so looking back, I could see them dropping slightly further, but there is no way they fall out of T20 based on these teams.

20: Monmouth Hawks
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Kennesaw State Owls
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

Sure NAU could jump up and they take their spot but that win against Samford helps keep them in the T20. No team should be punished too hard unless lets say JMU/NDSU were to lose to some bottom feeder in a non-Tier 1 conference.

[smallcollegefbfan]

The Wedge blog post for this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-top-25-week-11-results-2/

Only thing that surprised me was Illinois St falling off so much. They took the #5 team in the poll to OT on the road with their 2nd string QB... not sure what all everyone that dropped them expected them to do.

I have them at 22. For some reason there seems to be disdain from some on the MVFC. The league has proven the top 5-6 teams are pretty close and anyone can beat anyone. Other leagues seem to have a gap after the top team or top 2-3 teams. Illinois State and UNI are being disrespected by most polls badly. I would guess if either of them were in Big South, MEAC, Patriot League, NEC, or Pioneer League they would be undefeated and ranked in the top 15 for sure.

[centennial]

Someone needs to get out of here with the NDSU first place vote. xlolx

Did you watch the JMU **** show this weekend? Were struggling against a 5-5 team. Richmond that is rated 125. They have not played 1 team under hundred. And no I didn't vote NDSU at 1.

[JSUSoutherner]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Furman Paladins
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Elon Phoenix
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Austin Peay Governors

JSUSoutherner

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference

[KPSUL]

25: New Hampshire Wildcats

Classic example of "Slot" voting: moving a team from 27th back into the Top 25 at #25 because they weren't ranked last week - regardless of who they beat Saturday.

[Professor Chaos]

No. I know what happened, but I had them at 15 last week, so looking back, I could see them dropping slightly further, but there is no way they fall out of T20 based on these teams.

20: Monmouth Hawks
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Kennesaw State Owls
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

Sure NAU could jump up and they take their spot but that win against Samford helps keep them in the T20. No team should be punished too hard unless lets say JMU/NDSU were to lose to some bottom feeder in a non-Tier 1 conference.
What makes them (WCU I mean) any better than Illinois St? I looked back and saw you had ISUr ranked #24 last week and they took your #4 team to OT on the road with their backup QB.

I'd put every one of those teams you have listed in front of WCU right now. A 4 point home win over Samford doesn't prop them up enough to sustain a 2 point home loss to Mercer.



Full disclosure this is what I had:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Western Illinois Leathernecks
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: South Dakota Coyotes
15: Furman Paladins
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Kennesaw State Owls
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Nicholls State Colonels

[TheKingpin28]

Classic example of "Slot" voting: moving a team from 27th back into the Top 25 at #25 because they weren't ranked last week - regardless of who they beat Saturday.

Week 6:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Western Carolina Catamounts
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: Illinois State Redbirds

That is the last time they were in my poll. This is not slot voting. This is called being informed.

[th0m]

Did you watch the JMU **** show this weekend? Were struggling against a 5-5 team. Richmond that is rated 125. They have not played 1 team under hundred. And no I didn't vote NDSU at 1.

So a struggling win is worse than a loss. Got it.

You do realize the #2 team got taken to OT by a 5-5 team right? And the #5 team lost to one?

[KPSUL]

25: New Hampshire Wildcats

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

What's your definition of significant? 27 to 25 ?

[TheKingpin28]

What makes them (WCU I mean) any better than Illinois St? I looked back and saw you had ISUr ranked #24 last week and they took your #4 team to OT on the road with their backup QB.

I'd put every one of those teams you have listed in front of WCU right now. A 4 point home win over Samford doesn't prop them up enough to sustain a 2 point home loss to Mercer.



Full disclosure this is what I had:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Western Illinois Leathernecks
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: South Dakota Coyotes
15: Furman Paladins
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Kennesaw State Owls
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Nicholls State Colonels

So outside WCU and ISUr we agree on the position of the rest give or take a couple of spots here and there. At this point, it could be easily argued that we just see it slightly different. Remember, they took your "seeded" team in Wofford on the road, to OT and shot themselves in the foot. I would argue that, while maybe WCU should switch spots with NAU, it is not out the ballpark to still have WCU around the T20 spot, and I have them at 18 instead. I get that ISUr is playing with a back-up QB but they are way too hot and cold. Curbstompped by NAU and 31 unanswered points against WIU at home and then shows up against SDSU and struggles with a bad ISUb team. I am going to hold back on them unless they can upset NDSU. That is just me though.

[Professor Chaos]

So outside WCU and ISUr we agree on the position of the rest give or take a couple of spots here and there. At this point, it could be easily argued that we just see it slightly different. Remember, they took your "seeded" team in Wofford on the road, to OT and shot themselves in the foot. I would argue that, while maybe WCU should switch spots with NAU, it is not out the ballpark to still have WCU around the T20 spot, and I have them at 18 instead. I get that ISUr is playing with a back-up QB but they are way too hot and cold. Curbstompped by NAU and 31 unanswered points against WIU at home and then shows up against SDSU and struggles with a bad ISUb team. I am going to hold back on them unless they can upset NDSU. That is just me though.
I don't dispute that Illinois St is a flawed team that is very streaky. I just found it odd that they dropped 250 points from last week (which took them from #21 to #26) after giving SDSU all they could handle and then some in a very tough situation. Not trying to pick on you specifically there because your poll ballot only accounted for 2 of those 250 points but it sure seems like quite a few people "slot voted" them.

I'll agree to disagree on WCU.

[WCU-Cats!]

JMU 22 straight wins, deserve the respect of all 1st place votes without question until someone beats them

The one for NDSU had to be a Homer vote, they got their butts wooped by SDSU just a little over a week ago

[TheKingpin28]

JMU 22 straight wins, deserve the respect of all 1st place votes without question until someone beats them

The one for NDSU had to be a Homer vote, they got their butts wooped by SDSU just a little over a week ago

Can't be. If someone who votes for their own team and is the only voter for the #1 seed, then it is immediately tossed. A non-NDSU fan voted for them.

[WTFCollegefootballfan]

What does the playoff committee use for seeding playoff teams?

[Bison56]

JMU 22 straight wins, deserve the respect of all 1st place votes without question until someone beats them

The one for NDSU had to be a Homer vote, they got their butts wooped by SDSU just a little over a week ago
Highly unlikely

[TheKingpin28]

I don't dispute that Illinois St is a flawed team that is very streaky. I just found it odd that they dropped 250 points from last week (which took them from #21 to #26) after giving SDSU all they could handle and then some in a very tough situation. Not trying to pick on you specifically there because your poll ballot only accounted for 2 of those 250 points but it sure seems like quite a few people "slot voted" them.

I'll agree to disagree on WCU.

The problem is, there are currently, IMO, 28 teams worthy of a vote and only 25 spots.

Just so you can see I did not slot vote, this is where I had them last week:

Week 10:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: Western Carolina Catamounts
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Furman Paladins
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Monmouth Hawks
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Kennesaw State Owls

[KPSUL]

Week 6:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Western Carolina Catamounts
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: Illinois State Redbirds

That is the last time they were in my poll. This is not slot voting. This is called being informed.

So you think UNH was better Week 6 than now? I don't think anyone remotely informed would come to the conclusion. You must have been slot voting back then as well.

[TheKingpin28]

What does the playoff committee use for seeding playoff teams?

Roulette and a fifth of bourbon? (Which means the SRS and "persuasion" to vote for their teams)

[Professor Chaos]

The problem is, there are currently, IMO, 28 teams worthy of a vote and only 25 spots.

Just so you can see I did not slot vote, this is where I had them last week:

Week 10:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: Western Carolina Catamounts
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Furman Paladins
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Monmouth Hawks
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Kennesaw State Owls
So then what do you expect the #24 team to do on the road at #5? Either they underperformed in your opinion or Kennesaw's throttling of 5-4 Charleston Southern was just that impressive. I do agree that UNH should be ranked in front of Illinois St so not disputing that.

[PantherRob82]

It wasn't me but I don't have a problem with it. You could make the argument..

Before they lost....

[clenz]

JMU 22 straight wins, deserve the respect of all 1st place votes without question until someone beats them

The one for NDSU had to be a Homer vote, they got their butts wooped by SDSU just a little over a week ago
That's not how this poll works.

[PantherRob82]

Did you watch the JMU **** show this weekend? Were struggling against a 5-5 team. Richmond that is rated 125. They have not played 1 team under hundred. And no I didn't vote NDSU at 1.

Against a rival and they won.

[thebootfitter]

So a struggling win is worse than a loss. Got it.

You do realize the #2 team got taken to OT by a 5-5 team right? And the #5 team lost to one?
It COULD be when taken to the extreme. Close, hard fought wins against bottom of the barrel teams vs many wins against top-tier competition along with one loss to top-tier competition? Not saying that's the case in this particular situation, but there is certainly room for some judgment there.

[clenz]

I don't dispute that Illinois St is a flawed team that is very streaky. I just found it odd that they dropped 250 points from last week (which took them from #21 to #26) after giving SDSU all they could handle and then some in a very tough situation. Not trying to pick on you specifically there because your poll ballot only accounted for 2 of those 250 points but it sure seems like quite a few people "slot voted" them.

I'll agree to disagree on WCU.
I couldn't bring myself to vote for ISUr.

Not consistent enough to be a top 25 team

[DirtyDukes]

It wasn't me but I don't have a problem with it. You could make the argument..

How? How do you make the argument. NDSU went to OT and won by 3 over a 5-5 team. JMU won by 7 in regulation.


Did you watch the JMU **** show this weekend? Were struggling against a 5-5 team. Richmond that is rated 125. They have not played 1 team under hundred. And no I didn't vote NDSU at 1.

LOL @ ****show. We were up at the half and won by 7. NDSU was taken to OT and only beat YSU by 3. Unbelievable.

[clenz]

Before they lost....
Isn't that slot voting mentality?

They lost a couple weeks ago, thus they have to be moved down?

[WCU-Cats!]

Can't be. If someone who votes for their own team and is the only voter for the #1 seed, then it is immediately tossed. A non-NDSU fan voted for them.


My bad then, I was unaware of this

[DirtyDukes]

It COULD be when taken to the extreme. Close, hard fought wins against bottom of the barrel teams vs many wins against top-tier competition along with one loss to top-tier competition? Not saying that's the case in this particular situation, but there is certainly room for some judgment there.

If that's not what you're saying then why are you saying it.

Not only a loss, by a loss by 11 points. 7 points is the closest game JMU has played in 15 games.

[centennial]

So a struggling win is worse than a loss. Got it.You do realize the #2 team got taken to OT by a 5-5 team right? And the #5 team lost to one?Yes I realize that. But the leagues aren't the same. The MVFC has 5 teams that are very good, the CAA has 1. Elon, Delaware, Richmond aren't as good as SDSU. YSU pre injuries, or even WIU, UNI or SD are also solid teams. The fact remains the conferences records across different conferences aren't the same. YSU took Pitt and NDSU to OT (both teams rated about the same as JMU). Would you compare MVFC records to AAC, or SECeast? Because the computers rate CAA and MVFC about the same distance as MVFC and SEC east.

[clenz]

If that's not what you're saying then why are you saying it.

Not only a loss, by a loss by 11 points. 7 points is the closest game JMU has played in 15 games.
In a rivalry game...against a top 5-7 team...on the road.

Obviously not a perfect thing to lose a game but there are certainly worse situations to lose in

[TheKingpin28]

So you think UNH was better Week 6 than now? I don't think anyone remotely informed would come to the conclusion. You must have been slot voting back then as well.

Keep thinking whatever will float your boat, but this is the first week people have questioned my ballot since I am damn close to the aggregate week in and week out, which means everyone else is slot voting. Let's break it down.

-Maine: 24-23
@ GSU: 22-12
-@ HC: 26-51
---URI: 28-14
Bryant: 45-17
-----------BYE
@ SBU: 24-38

So looking then, the SBU loss, was a bad loss and so was HC.

For reference, here was SBU's schedule and those Towson and W & M games look bad.

-@ USF (FBS): 17-31
--------@ URI: 35-18
-Sacred Heart: 45-7
-------Towson: 25-17
-------@W&M: 21-18
-----Delaware: 20-24
-----UNH: 38-24

You want to know how I did not slot vote, here is the following week:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota Coyotes
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Western Illinois Leathernecks
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Western Carolina Catamounts
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

They jumped 3 spots total. You don't know the difference between slot voting and informed voting.

[Professor Chaos]

I couldn't bring myself to vote for ISUr.

Not consistent enough to be a top 25 team
Fair enough. I don't necessarily expect someone to move them into their rankings after losing last Saturday but it's clear quite a few people took them out which I think is a little shortsighted and lazy.

[DirtyDukes]

In a rivalry game...against a top 5-7 team...on the road.

Obviously not a perfect thing to lose a game but there are certainly worse situations to lose in

How many points is it being a rivalry game worth? Because I'd like to apply those to our 7 point spread

[clenz]

How many points is it being a rivalry game worth? Because I'd like to apply those to our 7 point spread
I didn't claim it was worth any

[DirtyDukes]

I didn't claim it was worth any

So why did you point out it was a rivalry game?

[TheKingpin28]

So then what do you expect the #24 team to do on the road at #5? Either they underperformed in your opinion or Kennesaw's throttling of 5-4 Charleston Southern was just that impressive. I do agree that UNH should be ranked in front of Illinois St so not disputing that.

Kennesaw jumped 1 spot in my poll, so I look at it like this: the winner of Monmouth and Kennesaw St stays in the poll and loser falls out with the other spot probably going to EWU or ISUr depending on who wins. If ISUr wins, they jump back up in the 20ish range due to body of work, but if EWU wins, they stay in that 20-25. Now if both win, ISUr would trump EWU even though they have that Montana win. Since you agree UNH deserves to be in front of ISUr, then would it be alright if I said ISUr was my 1st team out?

[PantherRob82]

Isn't that slot voting mentality?

They lost a couple weeks ago, thus they have to be moved down?

I moved them to 3 and back to 2. I didn’t think they looked like the best team against SDSU. I was ready to move them to #1. I don’t see any legit argument for why they are better than JMU at this point.

[PantherRob82]

Actually I have them at 3

Hello PantherRob82,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/12/2017 7:09:39

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Furman Paladins
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: South Dakota Coyotes
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Eastern Washington Eagles
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: Kennesaw State Owls
25: Grambling State Tigers

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Western Carolina Catamounts
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

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[centennial]

I moved them to 3 and back to 2. I didn’t think they looked like the best team against SDSU. I was ready to move them to #1. I don’t see any legit argument for why they are better than JMU at this point.

I am just playing Devils advocate because I voted NDSU at #2. Explain to me what wins JMU has this season they warrant a ranking above NDSU? I am completely unsold on how good JMU is. And it's not like they are blowing away CAA opponents.

[PantherRob82]

I am just playing Devils advocate because I voted NDSU at #2. Explain to me what wins JMU has this season they warrant a ranking above NDSU? I am completely unsold on how good JMU is. And it's not like they are blowing away CAA opponents.

Won the games on their schedule. It’s not like they played Kennesaw States schedule.

[clenz]

I moved them to 3 and back to 2. I didn’t think they looked like the best team against SDSU. I was ready to move them to #1. I don’t see any legit argument for why they are better than JMU at this point.
I think you could argue the SDSU game was a bit of an anomaly. It was a below average game for them. Almost every other week in a season they'd still win by 7-10 points (ala JMU/Richmond). They just happened to have that game against their biggest rival, with the Marker on the line, at their rivals stadium and their rival happens to be a top 5-7 team in the country.

Just playing devils advocate here is all.

[DirtyDukes]

I am just playing Devils advocate because I voted NDSU at #2. Explain to me what wins JMU has this season they warrant a ranking above NDSU? I am completely unsold on how good JMU is. And it's not like they are blowing away CAA opponents.

LOL - this week was our first game we didn't win by 2 scores in 15 games. We have an FBS win. We've won 22 in a row. With a win next week we are the first team in CAA history to win the CAA back to back with no losses. If you're unsold on JMU, it's only you and the bozo who voted NDSU above them.

[clenz]

Won the games on their schedule. It’s not like they played Kennesaw States schedule.
San Diego has won the games on their schedule you don't have them ranked

You're #19 NACT is winning the games on their schedule - and beat your #10 team pretty good this year.

USD has lost 3 of their last 4 and you still have them at 16.

Applies to all or applies to none

[DirtyDukes]

San Diego has won the games on their schedule you don't have them ranked

You're #19 NACT is winning the games on their schedule - and beat your #10 team pretty good this year.

USD has lost 3 of their last 4 and you still have them at 16.

Applies to all or applies to none

You're comparing JMU's SOS to San Diego? Come on Clenz I used to respect you buddy.

[Professor Chaos]

Kennesaw jumped 1 spot in my poll, so I look at it like this: the winner of Monmouth and Kennesaw St stays in the poll and loser falls out with the other spot probably going to EWU or ISUr depending on who wins. If ISUr wins, they jump back up in the 20ish range due to body of work, but if EWU wins, they stay in that 20-25. Now if both win, ISUr would trump EWU even though they have that Montana win. Since you agree UNH deserves to be in front of ISUr, then would it be alright if I said ISUr was my 1st team out?
It's not a big deal. Like I said you only accounted for 2 of the 250 points that Illinois St lost his week so it's really splitting hairs in your case. I would almost guarantee there are others that must've had ISUr in the mid to late teens last week and dropped them out altogether this week for them to lose that many points.

[BisonFan02]

You're comparing JMU's SOS to San Diego? Come on Clenz I used to respect you buddy.

You did? :D

[clenz]

You're comparing JMU's SOS to San Diego? Come on Clenz I used to respect you buddy.
His criteria wasn't SOS based. It was that they were winning games.

Rob leads the anti slot voting charge. Yet his only reason for moving NDSU to 3 was "they lost so they can't be #1 and JMU is winning games".

Yet he ranks NCAT low, doesn't rank San Diego.

I'm just asking questions.

[WrenFGun]

Why is Elon ahead of UNH? Their week two win over Furman? Their -13 point differential? There's just no good justification at this point in the season for that, nevermind the spread between the two. That's just slot voting at it's best on a team that should've been ranked for the past three weeks. What's absurd is your saying Elon is a REALLY quality win and then placing UNH as low as 20 for beating them. So strange.

McNeese over Nichols, too? Weird.

[TheKingpin28]

It's not a big deal. Like I said you only accounted for 2 of the 250 points that Illinois St lost his week so it's really splitting hairs in your case. I would almost guarantee there are others that must've had ISUr in the mid to late teens last week and dropped them out altogether this week for them to lose that many points.

I hear you on that, but for me to drop them 2 points, means that I just see Kennesaw slightly above UNH and UNH slightly above ISUr. 250 points is a massive swing though. It will all be settled next Sunday around noon-ish or so and then we will either be very excited or either shaking our head in disbelief.

[Mayville Bison]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Elon Phoenix
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Furman Paladins
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Kennesaw State Owls
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: Illinois State Redbirds

Mayville Bison

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[centennial]

LOL - this week was our first game we didn't win by 2 scores in 15 games. We have an FBS win. We've won 22 in a row. With a win next week we are the first team in CAA history to win the CAA back to back with no losses. If you're unsold on JMU, it's only you and the bozo who voted NDSU above them.

I didn't vote for NDSU. And there isn't any reason to call anyone a bozo. You are showing your JMU education to everyone here.

[OhioHen]

What's your definition of significant? 27 to 25 ?

Most significant win and most significant loss mean different things to different voters.

My most significant win was assigned to a team that doesn't make my top 25 (yet) because they clinched a playoff spot. Just like the San Diego win over Cal Poly in the playoffs last year, it's possible for a team not currently in the top 25 to move in with a playoff victory.

[DirtyDukes]

I didn't vote for NDSU. And there isn't any reason to call anyone a bozo. You are showing your JMU education to everyone here.

I was debating the points you made, you bozo.

[Professor Chaos]

Why is Elon ahead of UNH? Their week two win over Furman? Their -13 point differential? There's just no good justification at this point in the season for that, nevermind the spread between the two. That's just slot voting at it's best on a team that should've been ranked for the past three weeks. What's absurd is your saying Elon is a REALLY quality win and then placing UNH as low as 20 for beating them. So strange.

McNeese over Nichols, too? Weird.
C'mon man. Elon has only lost one FCS game (UNH has lost 3). Elon two best wins over Furman and Richmond are roughly equal IMO with UNH's best wins over Elon and Georgia Southern and UNH has a brutal loss to Holy Cross on their rap sheet. Head-to-head at this point in the season is more of a tie breaker than a top prioritized criteria IMO when comparing teams.

[Professor Chaos]

Surprised to see NAU as high as they are in a lot of poll ballots. Their best win is a fading Illinois St team. After that their only win against a team with a +.500 record is Sacramento St. This late in the year we generally don't see big drops in the polls when teams lose to a higher ranked team but I can't see how NAU can hang in the teens (which is where they'd need to be to get an at-large) if they lose to SUU next week unless ISUr upsets NDSU and gives them a boost that way.

[PantherRob82]

San Diego has won the games on their schedule you don't have them ranked

You're #19 NACT is winning the games on their schedule - and beat your #10 team pretty good this year.

USD has lost 3 of their last 4 and you still have them at 16.

Applies to all or applies to none

i addressed their schedule. When did NCAT and Furman play?

USD is a team I should reconsider. Especially after that beating.

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San Diego has won the games on their schedule you don't have them ranked

You're #19 NACT is winning the games on their schedule - and beat your #10 team pretty good this year.

USD has lost 3 of their last 4 and you still have them at 16.

Applies to all or applies to none

i addressed their schedule. When did NCAT and Furman play?

USD is a team I should reconsider. Especially after that beating.

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His criteria wasn't SOS based. It was that they were winning games.

Rob leads the anti slot voting charge. Yet his only reason for moving NDSU to 3 was "they lost so they can't be #1 and JMU is winning games".

Yet he ranks NCAT low, doesn't rank San Diego.

I'm just asking questions.

i said they were winning games and not like they had a weak schedule. I didn’t say they lost so they can’t be #1.

[KPSUL]

Keep thinking whatever will float your boat, but this is the first week people have questioned my ballot since I am damn close to the aggregate week in and week out, which means everyone else is slot voting. Let's break it down.

-Maine: 24-23
@ GSU: 22-12
-@ HC: 26-51
---URI: 28-14
Bryant: 45-17
-----------BYE
@ SBU: 24-38

So looking then, the SBU loss, was a bad loss and so was HC.

For reference, here was SBU's schedule and those Towson and W & M games look bad.

-@ USF (FBS): 17-31
--------@ URI: 35-18
-Sacred Heart: 45-7
-------Towson: 25-17
-------@W&M: 21-18
-----Delaware: 20-24
-----UNH: 38-24

You want to know how I did not slot vote, here is the following week:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota Coyotes
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Western Illinois Leathernecks
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Western Carolina Catamounts
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

They jumped 3 spots total. You don't know the difference between slot voting and informed voting.

Do you ever attend a FCS football game Kingpin? And if you EVER do, do you ever take your eyes off your smartphone screen? Slot voting, good wins then, good wins now, bad loses then, bad loses now, and every subjective rationalization you can dream up to make whatever convoluted argument that fits your agenda.
The term slot voting can have any meaning you want to give it. The fact is, everyone slot votes. We move teams from position to position, both on and off the Top 25, FROM SLOT to SLOT. All the teams are moving relative to one another week to week and the only way to capture where they are each week is to take a snapshot and compare it to where they were the previous weeks. So yes Kingpin, you slot vote, I slot vote and every else slot votes. They key is to get each team as objective as is humanly possible in the right slot.
In the case of UNH I believe you have them slotted too low this week; and the argument you make is not convincing to the contrary. Rather it appears to be a rationalization for mistaken judgment.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Mine:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Elon Phoenix
13: Furman Paladins
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: Monmouth Hawks
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Western Carolina Catamounts
25: Northern Iowa Panthers


The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Western Carolina Catamounts
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[KPSUL]

Most significant win and most significant loss mean different things to different voters.

My most significant win was assigned to a team that doesn't make my top 25 (yet) because they clinched a playoff spot. Just like the San Diego win over Cal Poly in the playoffs last year, it's possible for a team not currently in the top 25 to move in with a playoff victory.

So you agree that UNH's defeat of undefeated 7th rank Elon should move them to two positions to #25?

[93henfan]

This is a good poll, guys. It would be even better if I voted, but it's still pretty good.

[Grizalltheway]

Good God the playoffs can't get here soon enough.

[Bison56]

Good God the playoffs can't get here soon enough.

^This

[thebootfitter]

So a struggling win is worse than a loss. Got it.

You do realize the #2 team got taken to OT by a 5-5 team right? And the #5 team lost to one?

It COULD be when taken to the extreme. Close, hard fought wins against bottom of the barrel teams vs many wins against top-tier competition along with one loss to top-tier competition? Not saying that's the case in this particular situation, but there is certainly room for some judgment there.


If that's not what you're saying then why are you saying it.

Not only a loss, by a loss by 11 points. 7 points is the closest game JMU has played in 15 games.

th0m stated sarcastically that "a struggling win is worse than a loss." I pointed out an example of where it COULD be. Then I clarified (or tried) that I wouldn't consider JMU "struggling" to win against Richmond the extreme case. I think Richmond is a pretty decent team.


With regard to th0m making a comparison to NDSU and SDSU struggling with YSU... this is why we have these discussions... to help offer perspective. I believe YSU was a legitimate top ten team earlier in the season. They proved it on the field. Things happen. Injuries. Demoralizing losses. They haven't been the same since, but I think YSU is still a decent team that could win a first round playoff game. (Not that I think they SHOULD be in the playoffs. Just saying that they'd be a fringe playoff caliber team.)


I do hope that NDSU and JMU get matched up in the playoffs. Ideally on the field in Frisco. I'm a fan of really good football, and I think that would be another whale of a game. But there's a lot of ball to be played between now and then with a lot of capable teams in the mix. A lot can happen.

[th0m]

It COULD be when taken to the extreme. Close, hard fought wins against bottom of the barrel teams vs many wins against top-tier competition along with one loss to top-tier competition? Not saying that's the case in this particular situation, but there is certainly room for some judgment there.

I agree, the argument in theory could be made, but as you said, not the case here. Whats also ironic is that if we would have blown out all CAA teams out by 30 points the conference is seen as weak, and when we win by 7 points, we're a **** show apparently... Can't win with some people ;)

Let the playoffs be the ultimate arbiter.

[WrenFGun]

C'mon man. Elon has only lost one FCS game (UNH has lost 3). Elon two best wins over Furman and Richmond are roughly equal IMO with UNH's best wins over Elon and Georgia Southern and UNH has a brutal loss to Holy Cross on their rap sheet. Head-to-head at this point in the season is more of a tie breaker than a top prioritized criteria IMO when comparing teams.

So, let me get this straight here. UNH beat Elon who beat Furman, but Elon's best win over Furman is as good as UNH's best win over Elon, who beat Furman? And then their second best win is a 5-5 Richmond team? The loss to Holy Cross sucks, but UNH's other two losses are to #1 and #2 in the CAA. I just want to make sure you're penalizing everyone else as much as you're penalizing UNH ... like Samford with their horrendous loss to Chattanooga or Delaware with the awful loss to Towson.

And the comment about the FCS losses is absurd. Should UNH have lost to Georgia Southern and beaten Holy Cross so they could have 2 FCS losses instead of 3?

[Professor Chaos]

24: Western Carolina Catamounts
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

I realize this is nitpicky over 1 spot (I think UNI should be much higher than that honestly) but can you really make an argument for these two teams being in this order if you look at who each of them played, beat, and lost to?

[TheKingpin28]

Do you ever attend a FCS football game Kingpin? And if you EVER do, do you ever take your eyes off your smartphone screen? Slot voting, good wins then, good wins now, bad loses then, bad loses now, and every subjective rationalization you can dream up to make whatever convoluted argument that fits your agenda.
The term slot voting can have any meaning you want to give it. The fact is, everyone slot votes. We move teams from position to position, both on and off the Top 25, FROM SLOT to SLOT. All the teams are moving relative to one another week to week and the only way to capture where they are each week is to take a snapshot and compare it to where they were the previous weeks. So yes Kingpin, you slot vote, I slot vote and every else slot votes. They key is to get each team as objective as is humanly possible in the right slot.
In the case of UNH I believe you have them slotted too low this week; and the argument you make is not convincing to the contrary. Rather it appears to be a rationalization for mistaken judgment.

I have been to Wildcat Stadium before and most of the Bison fans on here have met me at the tailgates and I sit with POD and BF02 in their spots. Been to a SHSU game as well, not including the Championship ones. I have also been to a Sioux game and been to Montana State as well. I also do not own a smartphone. You are really striking out hard on this one.

My way of doing it leads to what the aggregate of the AGS poll is so I feel like I am actually relatively unbiased. Hell, I have had JMU #1 for most of the weeks. UNH was at 20 for the aggregate and I had them at 25. Outside of where Delaware and NCAT, which I have argued multiple times why I do not support them being above 20, my voting is solid and requires values. I use Massey, Sagarin, Supe's, SOS, T25 wins, PF/PA, etc... to come to my conclusions. When it is all said in done, this is how it works out and this is where I have had them. It works and if my poll does not match STATS or Coaches, but is closer to AGS, then it shows I am more informed. Hell my T10 has been off by 2 spots VS where the committee had the T10 outside of NCAT for both weeks. I would say I am doing a solid job of not slot-voting.

[POD Knows]

What's your definition of significant? 27 to 25 ?What makes you think they were 27th in my poll? I am not going to move a team 10 slots because they end up beating somebody. NH might be higher than were I have them, we will see, I got a feeling that JMU is going to bitch slap Elon back to Vermont :D and they will be exposed as the "average" team that they are.

[Professor Chaos]

So, let me get this straight here. UNH beat Elon who beat Furman, but Elon's best win over Furman is as good as UNH's best win over Elon, who beat Furman? And then their second best win is a 5-5 Richmond team? The loss to Holy Cross sucks, but UNH's other two losses are to #1 and #2 in the CAA. I just want to make sure you're penalizing everyone else as much as you're penalizing UNH ... like Samford with their horrendous loss to Chattanooga or Delaware with the awful loss to Towson.

And the comment about the FCS losses is absurd. Should UNH have lost to Georgia Southern and beaten Holy Cross so they could have 2 FCS losses instead of 3?
They'd be in better shape had they lost to Georgia Southern and beat Holy Cross that's for sure. NDSU had the same issue last year. They beat Iowa and lost to SDSU and had those been switched they would've been unanimous #1 in the FCS in all polls. Instead they were #4 in the garbage polls and #2 or #3 in the AGS poll behind a team they beat head-to-head in all cases. It's just the way it is and SDSU was a hell of a lot better team in relation to NDSU last year than Holy Cross is in relation to UNH this year.

I have Delaware 2 spots above UNH because I think their two quality wins are just as good as UNH's (I do think a win over Richmond this year is about as good as a win over Georgia Southern) as well and yeah losing to Towson is bad but losing by 25 to Holy Cross is worse. I have Samford 1 spot above UNH but that could go either way honestly. It's just that Holy Cross loss... man it's bad! That team is 3-7 outside of the UNH game and they're in an awful conference. There's not a team who's receiving votes in the AGS top 25 this week that has a loss as bad as UNH does and that hurts them in my eyes. My full ballot is in reply #17 in this thread... I have UNH at #18 and Elon at #10.

[WrenFGun]

They'd be in better shape had they lost to Georgia Southern and beat Holy Cross that's for sure. NDSU had the same issue last year. They beat Iowa and lost to SDSU and had those been switched they would've been unanimous #1 in the FCS in all polls. Instead they were #4 in the garbage polls and #2 or #3 in the AGS poll behind a team they beat head-to-head in all cases. It's just the way it is and SDSU was a hell of a lot better team in relation to NDSU last year than Holy Cross is in relation to UNH this year.

I have Delaware 2 spots above UNH because I think their two quality wins are just as good as UNH's (I do think a win over Richmond this year is about as good as a win over Georgia Southern) as well and yeah losing to Towson is bad but losing by 25 to Holy Cross is worse. I have Samford 1 spot above UNH but that could go either way honestly. It's just that Holy Cross loss... man it's bad! That team is 3-7 outside of the UNH game and they're in an awful conference. There's not a team who's receiving votes in the AGS top 25 this week that has a loss as bad as UNH does and that hurts them in my eyes. My full ballot is in reply #17 in this thread... I have UNH at #18 and Elon at #10.

I don't disagree with most of what you said. I think Delaware has consistently played better football this season, and Samford has the win over Wofford. I think what I'd probably say is, what about Elon's resume makes you think they're that high? I'm not sure I'd have them above any of those teams right now just based on their wins. They all seem in the same grouping. So maybe it's not that UNH is low, it's that Elon is too high.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Elon Phoenix
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Monmouth Hawks
15: Furman Paladins
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: Yale Bulldogs
18: Kennesaw State Owls
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: South Dakota Coyotes

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Western Carolina Catamounts

[BlueHenSinfonian]

I realize this is nitpicky over 1 spot (I think UNI should be much higher than that honestly) but can you really make an argument for these two teams being in this order if you look at who each of them played, beat, and lost to?
If Northern Iowa wins next week they could jump up considerably. They’ve just been consistently inconsistent this year.

[Professor Chaos]

I don't disagree with most of what you said. I think Delaware has consistently played better football this season, and Samford has the win over Wofford. I think what I'd probably say is, what about Elon's resume makes you think they're that high? I'm not sure I'd have them above any of those teams right now just based on their wins. They all seem in the same grouping. So maybe it's not that UNH is low, it's that Elon is too high.
That's fair. I do think I'm giving Elon quite a bit of benefit of the doubt still having them at #10 given the fact that they've won nothing but close games some even against teams a top 10 team should beat handily and some of their wins like Nova and Albany have lost a lot of the luster they had at the time. If they can hang with JMU next week I'll probably keep them around 10 or maybe only drop them only a few spots but if they lose by more than 2 scores they'll likely fall below both Delaware and UNH (provided both win) for me.


If Northern Iowa wins next week they could jump up considerably. They’ve just been consistently inconsistent this year.
Idk, since Week 6 their only loss is at NDSU (they're 4-1 in that timeframe). You could say "only beating" winless Cal Poly in OT wasn't very good but other than that they've lost to nothing but good teams ranked ahead of them (with 2 of their 3 FCS losses happening in the final moments) and they've beaten two teams in SDSU and USD that you have ranked quite a ways in front of them.

[POD Knows]

If Northern Iowa wins next week they could jump up considerably. They’ve just been consistently inconsistent this year.Do you realize who UNI has lost to???? Iowa State (pretty decent this year) NDSU (top ten), WIU (pretty freaking good) and SUU (pretty freaking good) they play Indiana State next weekend you are going to move them up big because of that victory, if you didn't have them rated decently before, that means you weren't paying attention.

[KPSUL]

They'd be in better shape had they lost to Georgia Southern and beat Holy Cross that's for sure. NDSU had the same issue last year. They beat Iowa and lost to SDSU and had those been switched they would've been unanimous #1 in the FCS in all polls. Instead they were #4 in the garbage polls and #2 or #3 in the AGS poll behind a team they beat head-to-head in all cases. It's just the way it is and SDSU was a hell of a lot better team in relation to NDSU last year than Holy Cross is in relation to UNH this year.

I have Delaware 2 spots above UNH because I think their two quality wins are just as good as UNH's (I do think a win over Richmond this year is about as good as a win over Georgia Southern) as well and yeah losing to Towson is bad but losing by 25 to Holy Cross is worse. I have Samford 1 spot above UNH but that could go either way honestly. It's just that Holy Cross loss... man it's bad! That team is 3-7 outside of the UNH game and they're in an awful conference. There's not a team who's receiving votes in the AGS top 25 this week that has a loss as bad as UNH does and that hurts them in my eyes. My full ballot is in reply #17 in this thread... I have UNH at #18 and Elon at #10.

18 for UNH is in the realm of reasonable. 25th, or unranked is not. I understand that Elon deserves the benefit of the doubt, I personally dropped them more, but I might have been too harsh. Before the game unranked New Hampshire was being predicted to win and #7 Elon was being treated as if they were an underdog in virtually every circle. Now after the game, it appears to us (UNH fans) that we are being given credit in this forum for have beaten a barely Top 25 team that we should have beaten anyway - not the #7 team.

[POD Knows]

18 for UNH is in the realm of reasonable. 25th, or unranked is not. I understand that Elon deserves the benefit of the doubt, I personally dropped them more, but I might have been too harsh. Before the game unranked New Hampshire was being predicted to win and #7 Elon was being treated as if they were an underdog in virtually every circle. Now after the game, it appears to us (UNH fans) that we are being given credit in this forum for have beaten a barely Top 25 team that we should have beaten anyway - not the #7 team.Who has NH beat beside Elon? Georgia Southern-worst team in FBS?

[RootinFerDukes]

The only surprise is two ranked Big South teams, but also surprised to see Illinois State fall out of the rankings. I figured they'd be given an extra week of leniency, especially with an OT loss to a top 5 team.

[clenz]

If Northern Iowa wins next week they could jump up considerably. They’ve just been consistently inconsistent this year.
Errrmmm....really? Are you parroting **** that Kingpin said 4 weeks ago when he was told he had no idea what he was talking about or have you watched the games?

UNI is 5-2 in MVFC play. Currently hold second place and will finish the conference play in second place. Yup. Oh, AND IF ISUr beats NDSU Saturday and SDSU beats USD I'm 98% sure UNI actually gets the autobid. Hows that for being far to inconsistent?

UNI losses
Iowa State - actually pretty damn good this year. Got jobbed vs Okie State this past weekend.
SUU by 3 on the road on a last minute field goal
WIU by 3...yeah technically 9 but 6 of those were a fumble return on a kick off with 0 seconds left on clock. UNI led WIU with 7 seconds left in the game. Seriously..
NDSU....it's NDSU.

So, UNI's losses are a top 25 FBS team, #2 in the AGS poll, #8 in the AGS poll in the last minute and #11 in the AGS poll in the last 7 seconds.

Was the fist 5 weeks of the season a bit goofy? Sure. That was Iowa State, Cal Poly, SUU, SIU and WIU. UNI was 2-3 at that point with losses to #8 SUU and #11 WIU by a combined 6 points (again, look beyond just the final total of that WIU game).

Since then UNI beat SDSU (top 10) by 3 scores, beat Youngstown State, beat South Dakota (top 15) and lost to NDSU. Unlike other MVFC teams UNI didn't get ISUb/MSU early in the conference season. Beat MSU last week missing the top 4 offensive tackles and our starting QB going out in the first quarter.

Invert UNI's schedule and UNI is at 7-3 right now with WIU left to go.

I'm not exactly sure how UNI has actually be inconsistent since the OOC.

POD Knows nailed it. If it takes a win over an 0-10 Indiana State team to "jump UNI considerably" I'm not exactly sure what your criteria actually is

[OhioHen]

So you agree that UNH's defeat of undefeated 7th rank Elon should move them to two positions to #25?

It's not clear what you're asking here, but I'll give it a stab:

New Hampshire improved 3 positions on my personal list as a result of their win combined with the results of other teams I consider to be roughly equal. And UNH was not my most significant win (Elon was my most significant loss because of how far they fell in my poll).

And FTR, Elon was not undefeated prior to their loss this week.

[POD Knows]

Errrmmm....really? Are you parroting **** that Kingpin said 4 weeks ago when he was told he had no idea what he was talking about or have you watched the games?

UNI is 5-2 in MVFC play. Currently hold second place and will finish the conference play in second place. Yup. Oh, AND IF ISUr beats NDSU Saturday and SDSU beats USD I'm 98% sure UNI actually gets the autobid. Hows that for being far to inconsistent?

UNI losses
Iowa State - actually pretty damn good this year. Got jobbed vs Okie State this past weekend.
SUU by 3 on the road on a last minute field goal
WIU by 3...yeah technically 9 but 6 of those were a fumble return on a kick off with 0 seconds left on clock. UNI led WIU with 7 seconds left in the game. Seriously..
NDSU....it's NDSU.

So, UNI's losses are a top 25 FBS team, #2 in the AGS poll, #8 in the AGS poll in the last minute and #11 in the AGS poll in the last 7 seconds.

Was the fist 5 weeks of the season a bit goofy? Sure. That was Iowa State, Cal Poly, SUU, SIU and WIU. UNI was 2-3 at that point with losses to #8 SUU and #11 WIU by a combined 6 points (again, look beyond just the final total of that WIU game).

Since then UNI beat SDSU by 3 scores, beat Youngstown State, beat South Dakota and lost to NDSU. Unlike other MVFC teams UNI didn't get ISUb/MSU early in the conference season.

Invert UNI's schedule and UNI is at 7-3 right now with WIU left to go.

I'm not exactly sure how UNI has actually be inconsistent since the OOC.Maybe he thought you guys were playing the Redbirds next week or something. His post was confusing to me as well.

[F'N Hawks]

Errrmmm....really? Are you parroting **** that Kingpin said 4 weeks ago when he was told he had no idea what he was talking about or have you watched the games?

UNI is 5-2 in MVFC play. Currently hold second place and will finish the conference play in second place. Yup. Oh, AND IF ISUr beats NDSU Saturday and SDSU beats USD I'm 98% sure UNI actually gets the autobid. Hows that for being far to inconsistent?

UNI losses
Iowa State - actually pretty damn good this year. Got jobbed vs Okie State this past weekend.
SUU by 3 on the road on a last minute field goal
WIU by 3...yeah technically 9 but 6 of those were a fumble return on a kick off with 0 seconds left on clock. UNI led WIU with 7 seconds left in the game. Seriously..
NDSU....it's NDSU.

So, UNI's losses are a top 25 FBS team, #2 in the AGS poll, #8 in the AGS poll in the last minute and #11 in the AGS poll in the last 7 seconds.

Was the fist 5 weeks of the season a bit goofy? Sure. That was Iowa State, Cal Poly, SUU, SIU and WIU. UNI was 2-3 at that point with losses to #8 SUU and #11 WIU by a combined 6 points (again, look beyond just the final total of that WIU game).

Since then UNI beat SDSU (top 10) by 3 scores, beat Youngstown State, beat South Dakota (top 15) and lost to NDSU. Unlike other MVFC teams UNI didn't get ISUb/MSU early in the conference season. Beat MSU last week missing the top 4 offensive tackles and our starting QB going out in the first quarter.

Invert UNI's schedule and UNI is at 7-3 right now with WIU left to go.

I'm not exactly sure how UNI has actually be inconsistent since the OOC.

POD Knows nailed it. If it takes a win over an 0-10 Indiana State team to "jump UNI considerably" I'm not exactly sure what your criteria actually is

Maybe he is including that 7 point OT win over 1-9 Cal Poly at home? Once UNI got done with the Big Sky teams they have fared pretty well.

They have been pretty consistent all year. Consistently bad in OOC and consistently good in MVFC.

[clenz]

Maybe he thought you guys were playing the Redbirds next week or something. His post was confusing to me as well.
Illinois State - now there is an inconsistent team.

Our issues in the OOC were corrected by moving from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and finding a better run:pass ratio

I don't have any delusions UNI makes a run any deeper than the second weekend, though with match ups I guess it could happen. I just keep seeing people say UNI was inconsistent, when the reality is UNI has been pretty much the same team since week 3

[clenz]

Maybe he is including that 7 point OT win over 1-9 Cal Poly at home? Once UNI got done with the Big Sky teams they have fared pretty well.

They have been pretty consistent all year. Consistently bad in OOC and consistently good in MVFC.
Poly saw us start a rFreshman at LB and 2 freshman at safeties. It was the first game after Prothero's injury. They did things they hadn't done before and 3 freshman in the back 7 didn't know how to react. That was ugly.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Do you realize who UNI has lost to???? Iowa State (pretty decent this year) NDSU (top ten), WIU (pretty freaking good) and SUU (pretty freaking good) they play Indiana State next weekend you are going to move them up big because of that victory, if you didn't have them rated decently before, that means you weren't paying attention.

The strength of UNI’s wins is why I ranked them. They’re the only 6-4 team I ranked. Without the quality of their wins that record at this point in the season would be a dealbreaker.

[RootinFerDukes]

Classic example of "Slot" voting: moving a team from 27th back into the Top 25 at #25 because they weren't ranked last week - regardless of who they beat Saturday.

AGS Rule Violation #45623: You cannot scream slot voting unless it's in relation to a MVFC team that is negatively impacted.

[KPSUL]

Who has NH beat beside Elon? Georgia Southern-worst team in FBS?

A whole bunch of CAA teams who have been competitive in virtually every game they have played this season.

You make it sound like we knowingly selected what turned out to be a very poor FBS team to play just to pad our record. Actually, when we scheduled Georgia Southern they were coming off a winning season and I think the Sun Belt Championship.

The CAA has been every bit the meat grinder that the MVFC has been this year. I'm not ashamed of wins over Rhode Island, Maine, Towson and even CAA 0-7 William and Mary. Those teams all have the talent to beat other CAA teams given a break or two, and would likely be winning teams in other conferences other than yours. For the first time in 5 or so years, we can say that no week is an easy one in conference play. Villanova, Albany and Richmond, all ranked in or near the top 10 early in the season all discovered that this year.

[Gangtackle11]

A whole bunch of CAA teams who have been competitive in virtually every game they have played this season.

You make it sound like we knowingly selected what turned out to be a very poor FBS team to play just to pad our record. Actually, when we scheduled Georgia Southern they were coming off a winning season and I think the Sun Belt Championship.

The CAA has been every bit the meat grinder that the MVFC has been this year. I'm not ashamed of wins over Rhode Island, Maine, Towson and even CAA 0-7 William and Mary. Those teams all have the talent to beat other CAA teams given a break or two, and would likely be winning teams in other conferences other than yours. First the first time in 5 or so years, we can say that no week is an easy one in conference play. Villanova, Albany and Richmond, all ranked in or near the top 10 early in the season all discovered that this year.

The CAA is not the MVFC. We must all understand this. We don’t play football in the CAA like the MVFC. All those teams would maul us every game. Please don’t make them mad. They are too tough. They are the only meat grinding FCS and probably FBS conference. The Big 10 is afraid to play them. Bullies. All of them. xpeacex

[POD Knows]

The strength of UNI’s wins is why I ranked them. They’re the only 6-4 team I ranked. Without the quality of their wins that record at this point in the season would be a dealbreaker.I don't get why UNI would make a big move after a victory over Indiana State, I don't know where you ranked UNI but if somebody was thinking that a win over Indiana State is the "catalyst" for a move up in the polls, that is just a mystery to me.

[Professor Chaos]

A whole bunch of CAA teams who have been competitive in virtually every game they have played this season.

You make it sound like we knowingly selected what turned out to be a very poor FBS team to play just to pad our record. Actually, when we scheduled Georgia Southern they were coming off a winning season and I think the Sun Belt Championship.

The CAA has been every bit the meat grinder that the MVFC has been this year. I'm not ashamed of wins over Rhode Island, Maine, Towson and even CAA 0-7 William and Mary. Those teams all have the talent to beat other CAA teams given a break or two, and would likely be winning teams in other conferences other than yours. For the first time in 5 or so years, we can say that no week is an easy one in conference play. Villanova, Albany and Richmond, all ranked in or near the top 10 early in the season all discovered that this year.


The CAA is not the MVFC. We must all understand this. We don’t play football in the CAA like the MVFC. All those teams would maul us every game. Please don’t make them mad. They are too tough. They are the only meat grinding FCS and probably FBS conference. The Big 10 is afraid to play them. Bullies. All of them. xpeacex
The CAA is a very good FCS conference. It's better than every FCS conference except the MVFC this year and this is the 4th consecutive year it's been that way. The CAA had 5 or 6 teams that were ranked in or near the top 10 this year. The MVFC had 6 teams ranked in the top 10 in the same week back before conference play began.

You can throw out all the hyperbole you want about how I'm claiming Indiana St would roll everyone in the CAA except for JMU (which I'm not) but for the 4th straight year the MVFC is the best conference top to bottom in the FCS. Deal with it.

[TheKingpin28]

Errrmmm....really? Are you parroting **** that Kingpin said 4 weeks ago when he was told he had no idea what he was talking about or have you watched the games?

UNI is 5-2 in MVFC play. Currently hold second place and will finish the conference play in second place. Yup. Oh, AND IF ISUr beats NDSU Saturday and SDSU beats USD I'm 98% sure UNI actually gets the autobid. Hows that for being far to inconsistent?

UNI losses
Iowa State - actually pretty damn good this year. Got jobbed vs Okie State this past weekend.
SUU by 3 on the road on a last minute field goal
WIU by 3...yeah technically 9 but 6 of those were a fumble return on a kick off with 0 seconds left on clock. UNI led WIU with 7 seconds left in the game. Seriously..
NDSU....it's NDSU.

So, UNI's losses are a top 25 FBS team, #2 in the AGS poll, #8 in the AGS poll in the last minute and #11 in the AGS poll in the last 7 seconds.

Was the fist 5 weeks of the season a bit goofy? Sure. That was Iowa State, Cal Poly, SUU, SIU and WIU. UNI was 2-3 at that point with losses to #8 SUU and #11 WIU by a combined 6 points (again, look beyond just the final total of that WIU game).

Since then UNI beat SDSU (top 10) by 3 scores, beat Youngstown State, beat South Dakota (top 15) and lost to NDSU. Unlike other MVFC teams UNI didn't get ISUb/MSU early in the conference season. Beat MSU last week missing the top 4 offensive tackles and our starting QB going out in the first quarter.

Invert UNI's schedule and UNI is at 7-3 right now with WIU left to go.

I'm not exactly sure how UNI has actually be inconsistent since the OOC.

POD Knows nailed it. If it takes a win over an 0-10 Indiana State team to "jump UNI considerably" I'm not exactly sure what your criteria actually is

And what would that be? If it deals with driving, others have agreed with me, if it is something else, then I am lost.

[KPSUL]

It's not clear what you're asking here, but I'll give it a stab:

New Hampshire improved 3 positions on my personal list as a result of their win combined with the results of other teams I consider to be roughly equal. And UNH was not my most significant win (Elon was my most significant loss because of how far they fell in my poll).

And FTR, Elon was not undefeated prior to their loss this week.

No Ohio, that's not it. You were responding to a very specific comment I made to a voter who selected UNH #25 AND as most significant win, moving them up only two slots, 27 to 25, after beating #7. Since you were challenging my post, I wanted to know if and why you felt that was reasonable. I simply found it inconsistent.

In fairness to POD, his answer was coherent, implying that he felt that UNH was not even 27th before the game. (coherent, but not very accurate)

[KPSUL]

I don't get why UNI would make a big move after a victory over Indiana State, I don't know where you ranked UNI but if somebody was thinking that a win over Indiana State is the "catalyst" for a move up in the polls, that is just a mystery to me.

Dammit your right! We should drop them out of the poll they way we did UNH after the Towson game if they don't win by at least 40 points.

[Mayville Bison]

Surprised to see NAU as high as they are in a lot of poll ballots. Their best win is a fading Illinois St team. After that their only win against a team with a +.500 record is Sacramento St. This late in the year we generally don't see big drops in the polls when teams lose to a higher ranked team but I can't see how NAU can hang in the teens (which is where they'd need to be to get an at-large) if they lose to SUU next week unless ISUr upsets NDSU and gives them a boost that way.

They might not have any really impressive wins, but an undefeated conference record (Montana game withholding) in the Big Sky this late in the year should put them solidly in the 10-20 range. Losing @ Montana by 2 after losing Cookus to an ejection on a boneheaded play in the first quarter isn't something I'm going to punish them too hard for - without that ejection, UNA should win convincingly. I guess my line of thinking is if they win at SUU this week, they should be right there in contention for a seed. If they lose, they will be 7-4 team fighting for a spot with how many others on the bubble.

[POD Knows]

No Ohio, that's not it. You were responding to a very specific comment I made to a voter who selected UNH #25 AND as most significant win, moving them up only two slots, 27 to 25, after beating #7. Since you were challenging my post, I wanted to know if and why you felt that was reasonable. I simply found it inconsistent.

In fairness to POD, his answer was coherent, implying that he felt that UNH was not even 27th before the game. (coherent, but not very accurate)That is a matter of opinion, you might be better than 25 but you should not be above 20, your resume is not just that good but there is a lot of that from 15 on down. You beat Elon at home and that is about it for you guys.

[TheKingpin28]

That is a matter of opinion, you might be better than 25 but you should not be above 20, your resume is not just that good but there is a lot of that from 15 on down. You beat Elon at home and that is about it for you guys.

I am not understanding how he accepts your answer but not mine?

[Professor Chaos]

They might not have any really impressive wins, but an undefeated conference record (Montana game withholding) in the Big Sky this late in the year should put them solidly in the 10-20 range. Losing @ Montana by 2 after losing Cookus to an ejection on a boneheaded play in the first quarter isn't something I'm going to punish them too hard for - without that ejection, UNA should win convincingly. I guess my line of thinking is if they win at SUU this week, they should be right there in contention for a seed. If they lose, they will be 7-4 team fighting for a spot with how many others on the bubble.
I think even with a win NAU is out of the seeds. If that happens the Big Sky may end up with no seeds but a 9-2 Weber St would have the best shot IMO. If NAU gets seeded at 8-3 over an 8-3 WIU who beat them head-to-head and has clearly superior quality wins it would be a travesty.

[POD Knows]

Dammit your right! We should drop them out of the poll they way we did UNH after the Towson game if they don't win by at least 40 points.Sell me on your resume.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The passion of a Monday afternoon on the AGS Poll thread is a must see event.

Great arguments all around (for the most part) as well.

[POD Knows]

I am not understanding how he accepts your answer but not mine?
He didn't accept my answer and that is fine. I was coherent, which means I probably had proper punctuation and correct spelling.

[Mayville Bison]

I think even with a win NAU is out of the seeds. If that happens the Big Sky may end up with no seeds but a 9-2 Weber St would have the best shot IMO. If NAU gets seeded at 8-3 over an 8-3 WIU who beat them head-to-head and has clearly superior quality wins it would be a travesty.

You're probably right on the seeds. That Montana game really is going to cost them. They win this week and it cost them a seed. They lose this week and it potentially cost them a playoff birth. Crazy how one play can have such a dramatic effect.

[kalm]

A whole bunch of CAA teams who have been competitive in virtually every game they have played this season.

You make it sound like we knowingly selected what turned out to be a very poor FBS team to play just to pad our record. Actually, when we scheduled Georgia Southern they were coming off a winning season and I think the Sun Belt Championship.

The CAA has been every bit the meat grinder that the MVFC has been this year. I'm not ashamed of wins over Rhode Island, Maine, Towson and even CAA 0-7 William and Mary. Those teams all have the talent to beat other CAA teams given a break or two, and would likely be winning teams in other conferences other than yours. For the first time in 5 or so years, we can say that no week is an easy one in conference play. Villanova, Albany and Richmond, all ranked in or near the top 10 early in the season all discovered that this year.

Hey! The Big Sky is a meat grinder too! Our 17th best team, ISU has as good a win over an FBS as UNH's! We also have a win over the Valley's #2. Our 1-9 21st best team took that same Valley #2 to OT. Other than UD and Richmond, the CAA is too yeller to schedule anyone other than Patriot League, MEAC's, NEC's, and Ivies OOC. Speaking of which, our 3-way tie for 4th place team beat up on the Patriot just like you guys do, and our 3-way tie for 5th place team did the same thing to ICW that SHSU, who beat the CAA #5, did.

[TheKingpin28]

He didn't accept my answer and that is fine. I was coherent, which means I probably had proper punctuation and correct spelling.

I just want to know what they have done to earn a T20 spot.

[Professor Chaos]

You're probably right on the seeds. That Montana game really is going to cost them. They win this week and it cost them a seed. They lose this week and it potentially cost them a playoff birth. Crazy how one play can have such a dramatic effect.
I think USD in in the biggest swing position this week. If they beat SDSU they'd have an identical 8-3 (5-3) record with SDSU and WIU with head-to-head wins over each which should give them the leg up on getting seeded over both and SDSU would then be freeing up a spot in the seeds. I guess in that case the question would be does a 9-2 SBU or Weber St sneak into the seeds instead of USD? On the flip side if USD loses to finish 7-4 they're squarely on the bubble and can't be feeling too good about their prospects.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

He didn't accept my answer and that is fine. I was coherent, which means I probably had proper punctuation and correct spelling.

Oh POD, you don't read these out loud when you post do you...

[POD Knows]

Oh POD, you don't read these out loud when you post do you...I am a little slow today, I don't catch your drift.

[WrenFGun]

Sell me on your resume.

Tell me, POD -- what about Elon's resume is 13 spots better than UNH? What about NC A&T's resume warrants a ranking at all? Who has South Dakota beaten? How about Monmouth?

The fact of the matter is the board is tired of UNH making the playoffs. Anything they can do to signify that, they will.

[Mayville Bison]

I think USD in in the biggest swing position this week. If they beat SDSU they'd have an identical 8-3 (5-3) record with SDSU and WIU with head-to-head wins over each which should give them the leg up on getting seeded over both and SDSU would then be freeing up a spot in the seeds. I guess in that case the question would be does a 9-2 SBU or Weber St sneak into the seeds instead of USD? On the flip side if USD loses to finish 7-4 they're squarely on the bubble and can't be feeling too good about their prospects.

USD could jump back into that 8 spot. Losing all three games on the road makes those losses look not quite as bad, having an FBS win, and having the potential player of the year is something I could see the committee rewarding. It would be to overcome Stony's resume with only 1 FCS loss to a top 20ish school though.

[th0m]

Hey! The Big Sky is a meat grinder too! Our 17th best team, ISU has as good a win over an FBS as UNH's! We also have a win over the Valley's #2. Our 1-9 21st best team took that same Valley #2 to OT. Other than UD and Richmond, the CAA is too yeller to schedule anyone other than Patriot League, MEAC's, NEC's, and Ivies OOC. Speaking of which, our 3-way tie for 4th place team beat up on the Patriot just like you guys do, and our 3-way tie for 5th place team did the same thing to ICW that SHSU, who beat the CAA #5, did.

JMU and Elon played SoCon teams this year fwiw... And JMU has a h/h with Chatty starting in 2019. I'm sure other CAA teams have similar quality OOC teams scheduled. Just not all the way on the west coast.

[POD Knows]

Tell me, POD -- what about Elon's resume is 13 spots better than UNH? What about NC A&T's resume warrants a ranking at all? Who has South Dakota beaten? How about Monmouth?

The fact of the matter is the board is tired of UNH making the playoffs. Anything they can do to signify that, they will.Elon's SOS is tougher, their Massey rating is higher and they have a better conference record currently, is that worth 12 or 13 spots, probably not but what happened is they were winning games when everybody else was ****ting the bed so they landed in a sweet spot in the poll and kept winning close games until this weekend, I am not one of these guys that has huge swings in my polls given one game, I look at the season. For what it is worth, I think both Elon and NH would finish in the bottom 1/3 of the MVFC but maybe I will be proven wrong in the playoffs.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I am a little slow today, I don't catch your drift.

If your pronunciation was impeccably done this means you were speaking it so I wanted to dig into the mind of The POD and see what his co workers might have to deal with. xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The fact of the matter is the board is tired of UNH making the playoffs. Anything they can do to signify that, they will.

Oh JFC, stop trolling so f'n hard like an idiot will you.

[POD Knows]

If your pronunciation was impeccably done this means you were speaking it so I wanted to dig into the mind of The POD and see what his co workers might have to deal with. xlolxI wrote punctuation not pronunciation, and my co-worker is my dog, I am at home office today.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I wrote punctuation not pronunciation, and my co-worker is my dog, I am at home office today.

Well, don't I feel like the asshole. I liked it better my way though.

[kalm]

JMU and Elon played SoCon teams this year fwiw... And JMU has a h/h with Chatty starting in 2019. I'm sure other CAA teams have similar quality OOC teams scheduled. Just not all the way on the west coast.

Forgive my getting carried away with the hyperbole.

[POD Knows]

Tell me, POD -- what about Elon's resume is 13 spots better than UNH? What about NC A&T's resume warrants a ranking at all? Who has South Dakota beaten? How about Monmouth?

The fact of the matter is the board is tired of UNH making the playoffs. Anything they can do to signify that, they will.Also, for the record, I would love to have more of the middle of the road CAA teams in the playoffs, get rid of a few more MVFC teams, watering the field down works for me. What was the score the last time we played you guys in a playoff game, I think we got a 50 burger that day. Nobody on here has a hard-on for NH getting in the playoffs and I would guess that when you beat up on the 3-7 Danes next week, you will make the playoffs again and probably exit early again.

[thebootfitter]

Oh JFC, stop trolling so f'n hard like an idiot will you.Ha ha ha! I don't know how to give reppies on Tapatalk via mobile, or I would. But this is too good to ignore. I love your candidness, Uranus!


Edited to add: Oh, Yikes! That was an autocorrect on my phone. But I think I'll leave it in there anyway, Ursus! Ha ha!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

YOU'RE AN ANUS!

Go to "webview" you lazy SOB and hit the people with the reps.

[POD Knows]

Well, don't I feel like the asshole. I liked it better my way though.LOL, I have been fending off the "Live Free or Die" folks this afternoon and got all paranoid about my post because I did that post with my phone and God knows what can happened when you do that.

[katss07]

I would love to see more middle of the road CAA teams and Big Sky teams. Sac St, Northern Colorado, Idaho St, Albany, Towson, URI. Having those teams in the playoffs would give us a break from the constant MVFC heavy bracket. In a way we really are getting that this season. Stony Brook, Elon, Nicholls St, McNeese, SUU, maybe NAU. Many of the teams this season who are making the playoffs (or are currently on the bubble) are new to this thing or re emerging in the national spotlight.

Yeah, it would be a little dull without the traditional powers such as NDSU or Montana (although UNI and SDSU would probably be happy). But this bracket will feature many new faces as well as many old powerful programs.

[Professor]

Be glad when the playoffs start so all this poll mumbo jumbo will go away

[centennial]

I would love to see more middle of the road CAA teams and Big Sky teams. Sac St, Northern Colorado, Idaho St, Albany, Towson, URI. Having those teams in the playoffs would give us a break from the constant MVFC heavy bracket. In a way we really are getting that this season. Stony Brook, Elon, Nicholls St, McNeese, SUU, maybe NAU. Many of the teams this season who are making the playoffs (or are currently on the bubble) are new to this thing or re emerging in the national spotlight.

Yeah, it would be a little dull without the traditional powers such as NDSU or Montana (although UNI and SDSU would probably be happy). But this bracket will feature many new faces as well as many old powerful programs.

As a NDSU fan this actually works better. Teams that haven't seen us at the Fargodome get punched in the nuts. MVFC teams know how to play NDSU. Add to that top 5 MVFC are usually hard teams to beat. Saying all this, I ant the best teams in the playoffs, not the ones that played in the Big Sky, or CAA, or Southern. Some of the best teams in the country at middle of the road MVFC teams.

[Kemo]

Hello Kemo,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/12/2017 17:32:12

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: Elon Phoenix
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Furman Paladins
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Eastern Washington Eagles
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: Kennesaw State Owls

Kemo

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference



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[Mike296]

What is everyone’s opinion on APSU this year, 3 FBS losses and only 1 FCS loss to #4 in AGS poll Jville State. They are much improved this year and in my opinion would warrant a Playoff spot should they beat EIU next week. That’s just me though.


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[TheKingpin28]

What is everyone’s opinion on APSU this year, 3 FBS losses and only 1 FCS loss to #4 in AGS poll Jville State. They are much improved this year and in my opinion would warrant a Playoff spot should they beat EIU next week. That’s just me though.


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Let's break this down:

AQs:

OVC: JSU
SoCon: Wofford
NEC: CCSU
Pioneer: San Diego

Locks:

SDSU
NDSU
JMU
UCA
SHSU
SBU
Elon

Should be Locks:
Weber St
SUU
Elon
UNI
WIU
Montana

AQs to be Decided:

Big South: Monmouth/KSU
MVFC: NDSU/SDSU/UNI
CAA: JMU/Elon
PL: Lehigh/Colgate
Southland: UCA/SHSU
Big Sky: SUU/NAU

So now we are looking 17 spots that are "locks" barring a collapse. Either Monmouth or KSU will be a lock and so will Leigh or Colgate. Now we are at 19 locks. That leaves us 5 spots. The winner of the Furman/Samford game will be in and the loser is out. That leaves us 4 spots. If NAU wins, that hurts the bubble and brings us to 3 spots.

Assuming these teams win, they are in in order that I see from best odds to make the playoffs based off of their wins to worst odds based off of their wins.

ISUr
USeD
EWU
Delaware
WCU
UNH
NSU
McNeese
Monmouth/KSU

It is in the best interest of all bubble teams for NAU to lose, but that is just how I see it. Teams in Red I think will lose and teams in Green I think will win. Teams in Blue will need help for whoever is the loser. Teams in Black, are IMO, a toss-up.

So looking at all of this, if only 1 of the 8 win and NAU wins, then the Monmouth/KSU game might get one in and APSU could get one, but if NAU loses, it greatly increases their chances, but I doubt EWU loses to 0-10 Portland St, UNH loses to 3-7 Albany, and McNeese loses to 2-8 Lamar.

[KPSUL]

I am not understanding how he accepts your answer but not mine?

Sorry guys, but on the central issue of where to "slot" UNH I disagree with both of you equally. Kingpin my bad for assuming you owned a smartphone and didn't go to FCS games frequently. Pod coherent thought indicates a logical connection between two thoughts, but not the level of accuracy achieved.

[WrenFGun]

Oh JFC, stop trolling so f'n hard like an idiot will you.

Aren't you a peach? Way to moderate.

Fact of the matter is when the rational elements simply don't exist,the only reasonable option is the totally irrational. Don't have to look far to find someone making a snide comment about it. It's my prerogative then to call it out as foolish, lazy and uninformed.

[gofurman]

Let's break this down:

AQs:

OVC: JSU
SoCon: Wofford
NEC: CCSU
Pioneer: San Diego

Locks:

SDSU
NDSU
JMU
UCA
SHSU
SBU
Elon

Should be Locks:
Weber St
SUU
Elon
UNI
WIU
Montana

AQs to be Decided:

Big South: Monmouth/KSU
MVFC: NDSU/SDSU/UNI
CAA: JMU/Elon
PL: Lehigh/Colgate
Southland: UCA/SHSU
Big Sky: SUU/NAU

So now we are looking 17 spots that are "locks" barring a collapse. Either Monmouth or KSU will be a lock and so will Leigh or Colgate. Now we are at 19 locks. That leaves us 5 spots. The winner of the Furman/Samford game will be in and the loser is out. That leaves us 4 spots. If NAU wins, that hurts the bubble and brings us to 3 spots.

Assuming these teams win, they are in in order that I see from best odds to make the playoffs based off of their wins to worst odds based off of their wins.

ISUr
USeD
EWU
Delaware
WCU
UNH
NSU
McNeese
Monmouth/KSU

It is in the best interest of all bubble teams for NAU to lose, but that is just how I see it. Teams in Red I think will lose and teams in Green I think will win. Teams in Blue will need help for whoever is the loser. Teams in Black, are IMO, a toss-up.

So looking at all of this, if only 1 of the 8 win and NAU wins, then the Monmouth/KSU game might get one in and APSU could get one, but if NAU loses, it greatly increases their chances, but I doubt EWU loses to 0-10 Portland St, UNH loses to 3-7 Albany, and McNeese loses to 2-8 Lamar.

"The winner of the Furman/Samford game will be in and the loser is out" I just don't get this. If Samford loses they only have 6 D1 wins.. ok. out. If Furman loses though and is 7-4.. having won 7 of last 8 games (assuming Samford win).. and by large margins of victory . well, the AGS poll was perfect last year in that every AGS top 25 got in the playoffs last year. Someone listed this elsewhere (some weak AQ may not have been in the poll and gotten' in too) but if you were in the poll AGS you were basically in the playoffs.

fu is currently 14, sam is currently 18. take out NCAT and fu is 13 and sam is 17. IF 13 loses at 17 thay usually puts them at 19 or so. If AGS is a good poll FU should already be in. They either win or fall to 19/20... Unless something is really different this year.. AGS poll has been v accurate . thoughts? maybe you are saying its different this year in some way that could undermine the AGS rankings??

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Aren't you a peach? Way to moderate.

Fact of the matter is when the rational elements simply don't exist,the only reasonable option is the totally irrational. Don't have to look far to find someone making a snide comment about it. It's my prerogative then to call it out as foolish, lazy and uninformed.

Then when someone says something as dumb as you did it is my prerogative to then call it out as foolish, lazy and uninformed.

I am a peach.

I ain't moderating you am I slick? I am for the most part a poster that gives anyone all the leeway to treat me as a regular poster in all conversations between us so I will also assume the role of just a poster when in conversations here on the board so drop the moderator **** as if you have been moderated in some way other than what a normal poster should have done with you "Everyone is against us" bull****. It's f'n stupid dude.

"Oh boy some people question our creds so everybody must be working ot keep us out of the playoffs on this message board...even though there isn't a thing they can do to keep us out of the playoffs I'm gonna make this my statement cuz it makes me feel gooder!"

It was so dumb I actually thought you were trolling people for a response but to my surprise you are being serious. That is some good stuff man. xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

"The winner of the Furman/Samford game will be in and the loser is out" I just don't get this. If Samford loses they only have 6 D1 wins.. ok. out. If Furman loses though and is 7-4.. having won 7 of last 8 games (assuming Samford win).. and by large margins of victory . well, the AGS poll was perfect last year in that every AGS top 25 got in the playoffs last year. Someone listed this elsewhere (some weak AQ may not have been in the poll and gotten' in too) but if you were in the poll AGS you were basically in the playoffs.

fu is currently 14, sam is currently 18. take out NCAT and fu is 13 and sam is 17. IF 13 loses at 17 thay usually puts them at 19 or so. If AGS is a good poll FU should already be in. They either win or fall to 19/20... Unless something is really different this year.. AGS poll has been v accurate . thoughts? maybe you are saying its different this year in some way that could undermine the AGS rankings??
Last year the committee got it correct. Sometimes they miss on one of two of the teams. Every year for the last decade though AGS has been the top predictor of which teams make the playoffs.

Of course we hope that continues because it really shows that committee has done a very good jjob for the most part. I hope they nail it 100% again this year.

[TheKingpin28]

"The winner of the Furman/Samford game will be in and the loser is out" I just don't get this. If Samford loses they only have 6 D1 wins.. ok. out. If Furman loses though and is 7-4.. having won 7 of last 8 games (assuming Samford win).. and by large margins of victory . well, the AGS poll was perfect last year in that every AGS top 25 got in the playoffs last year. Someone listed this elsewhere (some weak AQ may not have been in the poll and gotten' in too) but if you were in the poll AGS you were basically in the playoffs.

fu is currently 14, sam is currently 18. take out NCAT and fu is 13 and sam is 17. IF 13 loses at 17 thay usually puts them at 19 or so. If AGS is a good poll FU should already be in. They either win or fall to 19/20... Unless something is really different this year.. AGS poll has been v accurate . thoughts? maybe you are saying its different this year in some way that could undermine the AGS rankings??

I look at it like this.

Samford, we can both agree and we do not need to discuss this.

I personally have Furman at 16. So for me, I look at it that you are "First 4 In" (think NCAA March Madness).

Right now, the "first 4 in" IMO, right now, would be: Furman/Samford, USeD, WCU, and NSU heading into the final week. That said, Furman, as of right now, has 1 good win. 1, that is it. The wreckage you put on WCU looks great. The win against El Cid is normally good, but this year, El Cid is a mediocre team. Considering Western beat Samford, the win will look excellent if you beat Samford. Let's say you lose.

You are hanging your hat on WCU who beat Samford. The thing is, you would fall to 5-2 in the conference with no "marquee" wins except WCU, which would not look the best since they would fall below you due to the head to head. So you beat everyone below you, but the losses to Samford and Wofford are not good especially in a year where some 9-2 team out of the Southland is probably left at home and a potential 7-4 CAA team is also left at home. Nothing against Furman, but the committee plays politics and $$$ and they know a 7-4 UD/UNH will draw better at home than a 7-4 Furman especially since UD has not sniffed the playoffs in awhile.

The thing is, I would drop Furman, with a loss to that 20ish range, and well, unfortunately this was how last year broke out:

1 North Dakota State Bison 1636 32
2 Eastern Washington Eagles 1631 24
3T Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1509 4
3T James Madison Dukes 1509 4
5 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1505 4
6 The Citadel Bulldogs 1364
7 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 1284
8 North Dakota Fighting Hawks 1208
9 Youngstown State Penguins 1019
10 Villanova Wildcats 1004
11 Chattanooga Mocs 966
12T Richmond Spiders 917
12T Central Arkansas Bears 917
14 Charleston Southern Buccaneers 814
15 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 788
16 Wofford Terriers 755
17 Cal Poly Mustangs 585
18 New Hampshire Wildcats 393
19 Grambling State Tigers 357
20 Samford Bulldogs 334
21 Weber State Wildcats 277
22 North Carolina Central Eagles 270
23 Illinois State Redbirds 267
24 North Carolina A&T Aggies 216
25 Albany Great Danes 214

So it is possible that this year, the odds could be off but we will wait to see. Teams in Blue got the AQ, teams in Green got ATLs, teams in Black were ineligible, and the team in Red did not get in. The biggest issue is this, will AGS place Furman in that 20-25 or out of the poll position? That is where Furman should be if they lose IMO, but it all depends by how much though. There will be 3 AQs (CCSU, San Diego, and Lehigh/Colgate) not in the poll and NCAT is ineligible for the poll. So we are looking at 14 ATLs and only room for 2 spots to be non-qualifiers. I get this strange feeling if Furman loses they will occupy one of these spots and a combination of Delaware/NSU/McNeese/UNH will occupy the other one.

[Gil Dobie]

Someone needs to get out of here with the NDSU first place vote. xlolx

Had them at 9, but they had a good game against a team playing themselves out of the playoffs.

[Professor Chaos]

"The winner of the Furman/Samford game will be in and the loser is out" I just don't get this. If Samford loses they only have 6 D1 wins.. ok. out. If Furman loses though and is 7-4.. having won 7 of last 8 games (assuming Samford win).. and by large margins of victory . well, the AGS poll was perfect last year in that every AGS top 25 got in the playoffs last year. Someone listed this elsewhere (some weak AQ may not have been in the poll and gotten' in too) but if you were in the poll AGS you were basically in the playoffs.

fu is currently 14, sam is currently 18. take out NCAT and fu is 13 and sam is 17. IF 13 loses at 17 thay usually puts them at 19 or so. If AGS is a good poll FU should already be in. They either win or fall to 19/20... Unless something is really different this year.. AGS poll has been v accurate . thoughts? maybe you are saying its different this year in some way that could undermine the AGS rankings??
There's more AQs outside the top 25 this year. Last year only 2 (NEC and Pioneer) didn't have their AQ in the top 15. This year you can add the Patriot and Big South to that. Last year there was also two Celebration Bowl participants inside the "line to gain" for an at-large bid in the AGS poll and this year there is only one. All in all its a tougher bubble and you need a higher ranking to be an at-large this year compared to last year. Last year the first team left out was ranked #25 in the AGS poll. As of now it's #22.

The thing with Furman is I think they're getting the benefit of the doubt for some pretty marginal quality wins because they're on a 6 game win streak and their only FCS losses are tight contests to two highly ranked teams. If Elon loses to JMU this week all of a sudden one of the highly ranked FCS teams they lost to won't be so highly ranked anymore (probably in the mid-teens) and if they lose to Samford that would be another FCS loss to a team ranked in the mid-teens and that win streak would be over. The point is they'd lose a lot of befenit of the doubt with that loss so I don't think it's out of the question for them to drop 8 spots with a loss. Adding to all that is the fact that their best win in WCU is likely to be 7-5 after this weekend so it's fairly easy to make a case against Furman despite the impressive MOV in most of their wins.

[Gil Dobie]

Idk, since Week 6 their only loss is at NDSU (they're 4-1 in that timeframe). You could say "only beating" winless Cal Poly in OT wasn't very good but other than that they've lost to nothing but good teams ranked ahead of them (with 2 of their 3 FCS losses happening in the final moments) and they've beaten two teams in SDSU and USD that you have ranked quite a ways in front of them.

IF NDSU loses and UNI wins, they tie for the title.

[paward]

For those who can not find a reason to have NC A&T in top ten, please rationally explain it to me?

[TheKingpin28]

For those who can not find a reason to have NC A&T in top ten, please rationally explain it to me?

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[Professor Chaos]

For those who can not find a reason to have NC A&T in top ten, please rationally explain it to me?
I only see two wins from them even close to being considered quality and that's a 4 point win over BCU and a 4 point win over Charlotte. BCU isn't even on my radar for the top 25 and I'm not sure Charlotte would be either if they were FCS. I have A&T ranked at #19.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

For those who can not find a reason to have NC A&T in top ten, please rationally explain it to me?

Do you think there are any teams in the top 15 that would not have the record of A&T if they had played that schedule?

Now, I'm not saying A&T is not T10 or more confortable with T15 really but they seem talented and it is just hard to know how good due to the level of opponents. They may be very good it is just hard to point to anything and say "That is why..."

[TheKingpin28]

For those who can not find a reason to have NC A&T in top ten, please rationally explain it to me?

Since I have nothing better to do tonight, I will give you the best possible answer



Team
SOS
Sagarin
Massey
T25 Record


JMU
32
55
2
1-0


NDSU
11
40
1
5-1


UCA
46
98
9
2-0


JSU
40
91
10
1-0


SDSU
5
67
3
3-1


SHSU
61
117
19
2-1


Wofford
58
132
24
1-1


SUU
8
103
6
2-0


SBU
31
128
16
2-0


WSU
15
93
7
2-0


WIU
2
79
5
1-3


Elon
24
155
21
4-0


NCAT
102
150
29
0-0




Red indicates they are the lowest in their position.

Now let's look at wins; note, team must have a winning record



Team
Wins


JMU
@UD, UNH


NDSU
@EWU, WIU, UNI, USeD


UCA
SHSU, McNeese, SELA


JSU
Liberty, @APSU, @EIU


SDSU
@WIU, NDSU, ISUr


SHSU
NSU, @SELA


Wofford
WCU, Furman


SUU
UNI, @WSU, EWU


SBU
UNH


WSU
@SacSt, Montana, @EWU


WIU
@NAU, @UNI, @ISUr


Elon
@Furman


NCAT
BCU



Red indicates they are the lowest in their position.

So just looking at these simple metrics, they have done nothing to earn their T10 ranking. I could go on to mention how close the scores were and statistics, but this should help answer your question as to why they are not worthy of a T10 ranking. There is a reason why Elon is outside the ranking. Hell, someone could argue that Wofford or Stony Brook belongs on the outside looking in.

[Schism55]

I'd say thekingpin put quite a nice bow on it.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it etc.

[paward]

Ok y’all still did not answer my question lol.

[BisonFan02]

Ok y’all still did not answer my question lol.

There are more than 10 teams in the FCS that would take them out to the woodshed.... Are they held back a bit by history since the MEAC continuously underwhelmed in the playoffs? Probably. A top 10 team in the FCS would run all over their schedule. Its the same thing we sometimes harass SHSU about....except they often times win with style points and have QBs that pad Peyton stats. :D xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Ok y’all still did not answer my question lol.

The question you asked was answered quite clearly I thought. There is very little that says they are a top 10 team and that there are at least 5 to 8 better candidates for that spot if not more than that. You asked for reasons right? That is what we gave. Are we all misunderstanding your intended question?

[BucBisonAtLarge]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Furman Paladins
16: South Dakota Coyotes
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Monmouth Hawks
19: Western Illinois Leathernecks
20: Kennesaw State Owls
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Elon Phoenix
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Nicholls State Colonels

BucBisonAtLarge

The Most Significant Win: Kennesaw State Owls
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix

[cx500d]

Here is the answer key:


1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Kennesaw State Owls
12: North Carolina A&T Aggies
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Furman Paladins
15: Monmouth Hawks
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: Elon Phoenix
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Nicholls State Colonels

cx500d

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[mvemjsunpx]

Not much movement this time.



(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. Central Arkansas (2)
3. North Dakota St. (3)
4. Jacksonville St. (4)
5. Sam Houston St. (5)
6. South Dakota St. (8)
7. Stony Brook (7)
8. Wofford (9)
9. Southern Utah (10)
10. Weber St. (11)
11. Elon (6)
12. Delaware (12)
13. Samford (13)
14. Furman (14)
15. Western Illinois (15)
16. North Carolina A&T (16)
17. Northern Iowa (17)
18. Montana (18)
19. Northern Arizona (19)
20. Eastern Washington (21)
21. New Hampshire (NR)
22. Kennesaw St. (24)
23. Nicholls St. (NR)
24. McNeese St. (NR)
25. Grambling (NR)

W - New Hampshire
L - South Dakota



Dropped - South Dakota (20), Western Carolina (22), Illinois St. (23), Richmond (25)

[BisonTru]

Not much movement this time.



(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. Central Arkansas (2)
3. North Dakota St. (3)
4. Jacksonville St. (4)
5. Sam Houston St. (5)
6. South Dakota St. (8)
7. Stony Brook (7)
8. Wofford (9)
9. Southern Utah (10)
10. Weber St. (11)
11. Elon (6)
12. Delaware (12)
13. Samford (13)
14. Furman (14)
15. Western Illinois (15)
16. North Carolina A&T (16)
17. Northern Iowa (17)
18. Montana (18)
19. Northern Arizona (19)
20. Eastern Washington (21)
21. New Hampshire (NR)
22. Kennesaw St. (24)
23. Nicholls St. (NR)
24. McNeese St. (NR)
25. Grambling (NR)

W - New Hampshire
L - South Dakota



Dropped - South Dakota (20), Western Carolina (22), Illinois St. (23), Richmond (25)

Played the sixth toughest schedule in the country and already has 7 D1 wins. Apparently that isn't top 25 worthy.

Meanwhile the 114th toughest schedule with one more D1 win is top 25 worthy.

ok.

[TheKingpin28]

Ok y’all still did not answer my question lol.

I guess using statistical analysis does not answer your question. xsmhx

[BisonTru]

Not something that needs it's own thread so I'll throw it here. I like looking at yards per play. Anyway since I put this together thought I'd share it if others want to look at it.



Team
Off Rank
Off Yards Per Play
Def Rank
Def Yards Per Play
Net Yards Per Play


North Dakota St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/493.0/12623)
2
7.07
4
4.17
2.9


James Madison (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/317.0/12623)
29
6.04
1
3.61
2.43


N.C. A&T (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/488.0/12623)
6
6.71
6
4.28
2.43


Yale (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/813.0/12623)
4
6.94
19
4.77
2.17


Jacksonville St. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/315.0/12623)
42
5.78
2
3.86
1.92


Alcorn (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/17.0/12623)
1
7.18
60
5.36
1.82


Central Ark. (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/1004.0/12623)
8
6.64
28
4.86
1.78


South Dakota St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/649.0/12623)
3
6.95
68
5.43
1.52


Kennesaw St. (Big South) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/1157.0/12623)
24
6.12
13
4.67
1.45


McNeese (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/402.0/12623)
39
5.84
10
4.49
1.35


Sam Houston St. (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/624.0/12623)
5
6.75
63
5.4
1.35


Campbell (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/115.0/12623)
22
6.16
24
4.83
1.33


Western Ill. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/771.0/12623)
10
6.53
52
5.31
1.22


Tennessee St. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/691.0/12623)
54
5.47
5
4.25
1.22


Grambling (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/261.0/12623)
35
5.89
16
4.71
1.18


Austin Peay (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/43.0/12623)
32
5.93
20
4.77
1.16


Western Caro. (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/769.0/12623)
17
6.24
36
5.1
1.14


Nicholls St. (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/483.0/12623)
40
5.82
14
4.69
1.13


Dartmouth (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/172.0/12623)
56
5.46
8
4.38
1.08


Duquesne (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/194.0/12623)
20
6.19
38
5.11
1.08


San Diego (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/627.0/12623)
7
6.66
79
5.59
1.07


Richmond (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/575.0/12623)
11
6.45
64
5.41
1.04


Monmouth (Big South) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/439.0/12623)
14
6.36
55
5.34
1.02


Wofford (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/2915.0/12623)
44
5.74
18
4.75
0.99


Southeastern La. (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/655.0/12623)
18
6.23
46
5.25
0.98


Princeton (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/554.0/12623)
9
6.6
81
5.63
0.97


Youngstown St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/817.0/12623)
21
6.19
47
5.25
0.94


Illinois St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/299.0/12623)
43
5.76
25
4.83
0.93


Furman (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/244.0/12623)
13
6.37
73
5.49
0.88


Sacramento St. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/102.0/12623)
25
6.1
54
5.32
0.78


South Carolina St. (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/647.0/12623)
87
4.81
3
4.07
0.74


Penn (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/540.0/12623)
15
6.33
83
5.65
0.68


Montana St. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/440.0/12623)
27
6.09
70
5.44
0.65


Charleston So. (Big South) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/48.0/12623)
65
5.26
12
4.63
0.63


Samford (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/625.0/12623)
41
5.82
42
5.19
0.63


Stony Brook (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/683.0/12623)
79
5
9
4.43
0.57


Weber St. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/758.0/12623)
36
5.89
56
5.34
0.55


Jacksonville (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/316.0/12623)
28
6.07
77
5.55
0.52


Prairie View (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/553.0/12623)
33
5.93
66
5.42
0.51


South Dakota (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/650.0/12623)
19
6.2
88
5.7
0.5


Harvard (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/275.0/12623)
59
5.4
30
4.91
0.49


Saint Francis (PA) (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/600.0/12623)
90
4.79
7
4.32
0.47


Montana (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/441.0/12623)
38
5.85
71
5.44
0.41


Colgate (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/153.0/12623)
75
5.14
21
4.77
0.37


Southern Ill. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/659.0/12623)
53
5.55
45
5.21
0.34


N.C. Central (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/489.0/12623)
70
5.18
27
4.85
0.33


Maine (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/380.0/12623)
58
5.41
35
5.09
0.32


Northern Ariz. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/501.0/12623)
46
5.67
58
5.35
0.32


Drake (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/189.0/12623)
71
5.17
29
4.86
0.31


New Hampshire (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/469.0/12623)
60
5.4
40
5.15
0.25


Elon (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/1068.0/12623)
51
5.57
57
5.34
0.23


Sacred Heart (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/590.0/12623)
61
5.37
41
5.17
0.2


Eastern Wash. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/207.0/12623)
34
5.92
90
5.72
0.2


UC Davis (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/108.0/12623)
23
6.13
98
5.95
0.18


Howard (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/290.0/12623)
12
6.43
106
6.27
0.16


Marist (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/386.0/12623)
72
5.15
34
5.06
0.09


Hampton (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/270.0/12623)
84
4.84
22
4.78
0.06


Delaware (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/180.0/12623)
92
4.77
17
4.74
0.03


Mercer (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/406.0/12623)
69
5.19
44
5.2
-0.01


Holy Cross (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/285.0/12623)
63
5.29
53
5.31
-0.02


UT Martin (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/695.0/12623)
96
4.67
15
4.69
-0.02


The Citadel (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/141.0/12623)
50
5.59
80
5.62
-0.03


Rhode Island (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/572.0/12623)
68
5.2
48
5.25
-0.05


Southern Utah (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/667.0/12623)
49
5.6
84
5.66
-0.06


Valparaiso (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/735.0/12623)
26
6.1
104
6.18
-0.08


Florida A&M (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/228.0/12623)
52
5.56
85
5.66
-0.1


Wagner (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/748.0/12623)
66
5.25
62
5.39
-0.14


North Dakota (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/494.0/12623)
30
5.96
103
6.15
-0.19


Villanova (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/739.0/12623)
95
4.71
31
4.97
-0.26


Albany (NY) (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/14.0/12623)
105
4.35
11
4.61
-0.26


Bryant (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/81.0/12623)
45
5.69
100
6.02
-0.33


Southern U. (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/665.0/12623)
64
5.27
82
5.64
-0.37


Columbia (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/158.0/12623)
81
4.94
59
5.35
-0.41


Northern Colo. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/502.0/12623)
47
5.63
102
6.09
-0.46


Eastern Ky. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/202.0/12623)
83
4.91
65
5.41
-0.5


Dayton (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/175.0/12623)
62
5.35
93
5.85
-0.5


William & Mary (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/786.0/12623)
100
4.5
33
5.02
-0.52


Bethune-Cookman (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/61.0/12623)
73
5.15
86
5.67
-0.52


Central Conn. St. (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/127.0/12623)
57
5.45
99
5.97
-0.52


Butler (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/87.0/12623)
74
5.15
87
5.69
-0.54


Georgetown (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/251.0/12623)
110
4.28
26
4.84
-0.56


Southeast Mo. St. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/654.0/12623)
91
4.78
61
5.37
-0.59


Idaho St. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/294.0/12623)
31
5.96
116
6.56
-0.6


Cornell (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/167.0/12623)
99
4.6
49
5.25
-0.65


UNI (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/504.0/12623)
88
4.81
74
5.51
-0.7


Bucknell (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/83.0/12623)
116
4.07
23
4.81
-0.74


Abilene Christian (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/2.0/12623)
93
4.75
75
5.51
-0.76


ETSU (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/198.0/12623)
101
4.47
51
5.28
-0.81


Eastern Ill. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/201.0/12623)
114
4.18
32
5
-0.82


Morgan St. (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/446.0/12623)
78
5.02
94
5.85
-0.83


Ark.-Pine Bluff (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/2678.0/12623)
80
4.96
95
5.85
-0.89


Presbyterian (Big South) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/1320.0/12623)
76
5.09
101
6.04
-0.95


Towson (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/711.0/12623)
103
4.42
72
5.44
-1.02


Missouri St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/669.0/12623)
37
5.87
122
6.9
-1.03


Portland St. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/550.0/12623)
55
5.47
114
6.51
-1.04


Morehead St. (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/444.0/12623)
48
5.61
118
6.71
-1.1


Alabama A&M (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/6.0/12623)
106
4.35
76
5.51
-1.16


Chattanooga (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/693.0/12623)
111
4.24
67
5.42
-1.18


Lehigh (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/352.0/12623)
16
6.29
123
7.54
-1.25


Northwestern St. (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/508.0/12623)
77
5.07
108
6.34
-1.27


Lamar University (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/346.0/12623)
82
4.93
105
6.24
-1.31


Alabama St. (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/7.0/12623)
118
3.87
43
5.19
-1.32


Jackson St. (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/314.0/12623)
119
3.76
39
5.11
-1.35


Fordham (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/236.0/12623)
67
5.21
117
6.62
-1.41


SFA (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/676.0/12623)
104
4.41
92
5.83
-1.42


Stetson (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/678.0/12623)
113
4.21
89
5.71
-1.5


Norfolk St. (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/485.0/12623)
107
4.35
96
5.86
-1.51


Lafayette (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/342.0/12623)
123
3.58
37
5.1
-1.52


Murray St. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/454.0/12623)
117
4.03
78
5.55
-1.52


Robert Morris (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/579.0/12623)
121
3.73
50
5.26
-1.53


Cal Poly (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/90.0/12623)
86
4.83
112
6.39
-1.56


Tennessee Tech (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/692.0/12623)
94
4.73
109
6.36
-1.63


Gardner-Webb (Big South) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/1092.0/12623)
89
4.8
113
6.46
-1.66


Houston Baptist (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/287.0/12623)
120
3.76
69
5.43
-1.67


Delaware St. (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/178.0/12623)
97
4.66
110
6.38
-1.72


Brown (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/80.0/12623)
115
4.13
97
5.89
-1.76


Texas Southern (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/699.0/12623)
102
4.45
107
6.31
-1.86


Indiana St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/305.0/12623)
85
4.84
119
6.72
-1.88


Davidson (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/173.0/12623)
98
4.66
115
6.55
-1.89


VMI (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/741.0/12623)
122
3.68
91
5.81
-2.13


Savannah St. (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/632.0/12623)
112
4.22
111
6.38
-2.16


Incarnate Word (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/2743.0/12623)
109
4.32
120
6.75
-2.43


Mississippi Val. (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/432.0/12623)
108
4.35
121
6.8
-2.45

[mvemjsunpx]

Played the sixth toughest schedule in the country and already has 7 D1 wins. Apparently that isn't top 25 worthy.

Meanwhile the 114th toughest schedule with one more D1 win is top 25 worthy.

ok.

The rape arrests seem to have really destroyed South Dakota's mojo, and they are now falling off a cliff.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Not something that needs it's own thread so I'll throw it here. I like looking at yards per play. Anyway since I put this together thought I'd share it if others want to look at it.



Team
Off Rank
Off Yards Per Play
Def Rank
Def Yards Per Play
Net Yards Per Play


North Dakota St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/493.0/12623)
2
7.07
4
4.17
2.9


James Madison (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/317.0/12623)
29
6.04
1
3.61
2.43


N.C. A&T (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/488.0/12623)
6
6.71
6
4.28
2.43


Yale (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/813.0/12623)
4
6.94
19
4.77
2.17


Jacksonville St. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/315.0/12623)
42
5.78
2
3.86
1.92


Alcorn (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/17.0/12623)
1
7.18
60
5.36
1.82


Central Ark. (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/1004.0/12623)
8
6.64
28
4.86
1.78


South Dakota St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/649.0/12623)
3
6.95
68
5.43
1.52


Kennesaw St. (Big South) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/1157.0/12623)
24
6.12
13
4.67
1.45


McNeese (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/402.0/12623)
39
5.84
10
4.49
1.35


Sam Houston St. (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/624.0/12623)
5
6.75
63
5.4
1.35


Campbell (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/115.0/12623)
22
6.16
24
4.83
1.33


Western Ill. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/771.0/12623)
10
6.53
52
5.31
1.22


Tennessee St. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/691.0/12623)
54
5.47
5
4.25
1.22


Grambling (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/261.0/12623)
35
5.89
16
4.71
1.18


Austin Peay (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/43.0/12623)
32
5.93
20
4.77
1.16


Western Caro. (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/769.0/12623)
17
6.24
36
5.1
1.14


Nicholls St. (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/483.0/12623)
40
5.82
14
4.69
1.13


Dartmouth (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/172.0/12623)
56
5.46
8
4.38
1.08


Duquesne (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/194.0/12623)
20
6.19
38
5.11
1.08


San Diego (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/627.0/12623)
7
6.66
79
5.59
1.07


Richmond (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/575.0/12623)
11
6.45
64
5.41
1.04


Monmouth (Big South) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/439.0/12623)
14
6.36
55
5.34
1.02


Wofford (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/2915.0/12623)
44
5.74
18
4.75
0.99


Southeastern La. (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/655.0/12623)
18
6.23
46
5.25
0.98


Princeton (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/554.0/12623)
9
6.6
81
5.63
0.97


Youngstown St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/817.0/12623)
21
6.19
47
5.25
0.94


Illinois St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/299.0/12623)
43
5.76
25
4.83
0.93


Furman (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/244.0/12623)
13
6.37
73
5.49
0.88


Sacramento St. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/102.0/12623)
25
6.1
54
5.32
0.78


South Carolina St. (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/647.0/12623)
87
4.81
3
4.07
0.74


Penn (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/540.0/12623)
15
6.33
83
5.65
0.68


Montana St. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/440.0/12623)
27
6.09
70
5.44
0.65


Charleston So. (Big South) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/48.0/12623)
65
5.26
12
4.63
0.63


Samford (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/625.0/12623)
41
5.82
42
5.19
0.63


Stony Brook (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/683.0/12623)
79
5
9
4.43
0.57


Weber St. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/758.0/12623)
36
5.89
56
5.34
0.55


Jacksonville (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/316.0/12623)
28
6.07
77
5.55
0.52


Prairie View (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/553.0/12623)
33
5.93
66
5.42
0.51


South Dakota (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/650.0/12623)
19
6.2
88
5.7
0.5


Harvard (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/275.0/12623)
59
5.4
30
4.91
0.49


Saint Francis (PA) (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/600.0/12623)
90
4.79
7
4.32
0.47


Montana (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/441.0/12623)
38
5.85
71
5.44
0.41


Colgate (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/153.0/12623)
75
5.14
21
4.77
0.37


Southern Ill. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/659.0/12623)
53
5.55
45
5.21
0.34


N.C. Central (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/489.0/12623)
70
5.18
27
4.85
0.33


Maine (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/380.0/12623)
58
5.41
35
5.09
0.32


Northern Ariz. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/501.0/12623)
46
5.67
58
5.35
0.32


Drake (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/189.0/12623)
71
5.17
29
4.86
0.31


New Hampshire (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/469.0/12623)
60
5.4
40
5.15
0.25


Elon (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/1068.0/12623)
51
5.57
57
5.34
0.23


Sacred Heart (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/590.0/12623)
61
5.37
41
5.17
0.2


Eastern Wash. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/207.0/12623)
34
5.92
90
5.72
0.2


UC Davis (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/108.0/12623)
23
6.13
98
5.95
0.18


Howard (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/290.0/12623)
12
6.43
106
6.27
0.16


Marist (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/386.0/12623)
72
5.15
34
5.06
0.09


Hampton (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/270.0/12623)
84
4.84
22
4.78
0.06


Delaware (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/180.0/12623)
92
4.77
17
4.74
0.03


Mercer (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/406.0/12623)
69
5.19
44
5.2
-0.01


Holy Cross (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/285.0/12623)
63
5.29
53
5.31
-0.02


UT Martin (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/695.0/12623)
96
4.67
15
4.69
-0.02


The Citadel (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/141.0/12623)
50
5.59
80
5.62
-0.03


Rhode Island (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/572.0/12623)
68
5.2
48
5.25
-0.05


Southern Utah (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/667.0/12623)
49
5.6
84
5.66
-0.06


Valparaiso (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/735.0/12623)
26
6.1
104
6.18
-0.08


Florida A&M (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/228.0/12623)
52
5.56
85
5.66
-0.1


Wagner (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/748.0/12623)
66
5.25
62
5.39
-0.14


North Dakota (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/494.0/12623)
30
5.96
103
6.15
-0.19


Villanova (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/739.0/12623)
95
4.71
31
4.97
-0.26


Albany (NY) (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/14.0/12623)
105
4.35
11
4.61
-0.26


Bryant (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/81.0/12623)
45
5.69
100
6.02
-0.33


Southern U. (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/665.0/12623)
64
5.27
82
5.64
-0.37


Columbia (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/158.0/12623)
81
4.94
59
5.35
-0.41


Northern Colo. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/502.0/12623)
47
5.63
102
6.09
-0.46


Eastern Ky. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/202.0/12623)
83
4.91
65
5.41
-0.5


Dayton (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/175.0/12623)
62
5.35
93
5.85
-0.5


William & Mary (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/786.0/12623)
100
4.5
33
5.02
-0.52


Bethune-Cookman (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/61.0/12623)
73
5.15
86
5.67
-0.52


Central Conn. St. (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/127.0/12623)
57
5.45
99
5.97
-0.52


Butler (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/87.0/12623)
74
5.15
87
5.69
-0.54


Georgetown (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/251.0/12623)
110
4.28
26
4.84
-0.56


Southeast Mo. St. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/654.0/12623)
91
4.78
61
5.37
-0.59


Idaho St. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/294.0/12623)
31
5.96
116
6.56
-0.6


Cornell (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/167.0/12623)
99
4.6
49
5.25
-0.65


UNI (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/504.0/12623)
88
4.81
74
5.51
-0.7


Bucknell (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/83.0/12623)
116
4.07
23
4.81
-0.74


Abilene Christian (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/2.0/12623)
93
4.75
75
5.51
-0.76


ETSU (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/198.0/12623)
101
4.47
51
5.28
-0.81


Eastern Ill. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/201.0/12623)
114
4.18
32
5
-0.82


Morgan St. (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/446.0/12623)
78
5.02
94
5.85
-0.83


Ark.-Pine Bluff (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/2678.0/12623)
80
4.96
95
5.85
-0.89


Presbyterian (Big South) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/1320.0/12623)
76
5.09
101
6.04
-0.95


Towson (Colonial) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/711.0/12623)
103
4.42
72
5.44
-1.02


Missouri St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/669.0/12623)
37
5.87
122
6.9
-1.03


Portland St. (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/550.0/12623)
55
5.47
114
6.51
-1.04


Morehead St. (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/444.0/12623)
48
5.61
118
6.71
-1.1


Alabama A&M (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/6.0/12623)
106
4.35
76
5.51
-1.16


Chattanooga (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/693.0/12623)
111
4.24
67
5.42
-1.18


Lehigh (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/352.0/12623)
16
6.29
123
7.54
-1.25


Northwestern St. (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/508.0/12623)
77
5.07
108
6.34
-1.27


Lamar University (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/346.0/12623)
82
4.93
105
6.24
-1.31


Alabama St. (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/7.0/12623)
118
3.87
43
5.19
-1.32


Jackson St. (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/314.0/12623)
119
3.76
39
5.11
-1.35


Fordham (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/236.0/12623)
67
5.21
117
6.62
-1.41


SFA (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/676.0/12623)
104
4.41
92
5.83
-1.42


Stetson (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/678.0/12623)
113
4.21
89
5.71
-1.5


Norfolk St. (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/485.0/12623)
107
4.35
96
5.86
-1.51


Lafayette (Patriot) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/342.0/12623)
123
3.58
37
5.1
-1.52


Murray St. (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/454.0/12623)
117
4.03
78
5.55
-1.52


Robert Morris (Northeast) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/579.0/12623)
121
3.73
50
5.26
-1.53


Cal Poly (Big Sky) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/90.0/12623)
86
4.83
112
6.39
-1.56


Tennessee Tech (OVC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/692.0/12623)
94
4.73
109
6.36
-1.63


Gardner-Webb (Big South) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/1092.0/12623)
89
4.8
113
6.46
-1.66


Houston Baptist (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/287.0/12623)
120
3.76
69
5.43
-1.67


Delaware St. (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/178.0/12623)
97
4.66
110
6.38
-1.72


Brown (Ivy League) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/80.0/12623)
115
4.13
97
5.89
-1.76


Texas Southern (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/699.0/12623)
102
4.45
107
6.31
-1.86


Indiana St. (MVFC) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/305.0/12623)
85
4.84
119
6.72
-1.88


Davidson (Pioneer) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/173.0/12623)
98
4.66
115
6.55
-1.89


VMI (Southern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/741.0/12623)
122
3.68
91
5.81
-2.13


Savannah St. (Mid-Eastern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/632.0/12623)
112
4.22
111
6.38
-2.16


Incarnate Word (Southland) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/2743.0/12623)
109
4.32
120
6.75
-2.43


Mississippi Val. (Southwestern) (http://stats.ncaa.org/team/432.0/12623)
108
4.35
121
6.8
-2.45



Great stuff Tru.

[caribbeanhen]

I have been to Wildcat Stadium before and most of the Bison fans on here have met me at the tailgates and I sit with POD and BF02 in their spots. Been to a SHSU game as well, not including the Championship ones. I have also been to a Sioux game and been to Montana State as well. I also do not own a smartphone. You are really striking out hard on this one.

My way of doing it leads to what the aggregate of the AGS poll is so I feel like I am actually relatively unbiased. Hell, I have had JMU #1 for most of the weeks. UNH was at 20 for the aggregate and I had them at 25. Outside of where Delaware and NCAT, which I have argued multiple times why I do not support them being above 20, my voting is solid and requires values. I use Massey, Sagarin, Supe's, SOS, T25 wins, PF/PA, etc... to come to my conclusions. When it is all said in done, this is how it works out and this is where I have had them. It works and if my poll does not match STATS or Coaches, but is closer to AGS, then it shows I am more informed. Hell my T10 has been off by 2 spots VS where the committee had the T10 outside of NCAT for both weeks. I would say I am doing a solid job of not slot-voting.

no smart phone? Kind of impressed

[BEAR]

Great stuff Tru.

Man those are some telling stats. I wonder how we could factor in the point in each game where the backups came in and gave up yardage and adjust for that...

For example UCA after going up 6 TDs gave up maybe 100 yards both passing and rushing to UIW in the first half .

Then the backups, both second and third string came in the game in the second half and gave up nearly 200 but only one score.

I know other teams face this issue which is why I think conferences like the SLC need to clean house.

I think UCA would be ranked higher on defense nationally if they kept the starters in all game BUT you don't really want to get them hurt against teams you are up 6 or 7 touchdown on either. I used to love stats..but man sometimes they don't tell the whole story.

[TheKingpin28]

no smart phone? Kind of impressed

Yeah I have never owned one and am trying to get away with not having to own one. You should have seen the look on Winterborn and BFINWMN looks on their faces when they saw that. Pod and BF02 gave the reactions I expected and Thumper just shook his head.

[Cocky]

Man those are some telling stats. I wonder how we could factor in the point in each game where the backups came in and gave up yardage and adjust for that...

For example UCA after going up 6 TDs gave up maybe 100 yards both passing and rushing to UIW in the first half .

Then the backups, both second and third string came in the game in the second half and gave up nearly 200 but only one score.

I know other teams face this issue which is why I think conferences like the SLC need to clean house.

I think UCA would be ranked higher on defense nationally if they kept the starters in all game BUT you don't really want to get them hurt against teams you are up 6 or 7 touchdown on either. I used to love stats..but man sometimes they don't tell the whole story.

Most of the better teams sub freely, it normally works out to be the same for all good teams.

[Professor Chaos]

Man those are some telling stats. I wonder how we could factor in the point in each game where the backups came in and gave up yardage and adjust for that...

For example UCA after going up 6 TDs gave up maybe 100 yards both passing and rushing to UIW in the first half .

Then the backups, both second and third string came in the game in the second half and gave up nearly 200 but only one score.

I know other teams face this issue which is why I think conferences like the SLC need to clean house.

I think UCA would be ranked higher on defense nationally if they kept the starters in all game BUT you don't really want to get them hurt against teams you are up 6 or 7 touchdown on either. I used to love stats..but man sometimes they don't tell the whole story.


Most of the better teams sub freely, it normally works out to be the same for all good teams.
And the reason starters get pulled is because the superior team spent the entire game up to that point padding stats like these against clearly outmatched competition.

[OhioHen]

He didn't accept my answer and that is fine. I was coherent, which means I probably had proper punctuation and correct spelling.

Or you didn't use any big words that he failed to understand. ;)

[SU FAN]

A quality and fair poll

[POD Knows]

Or you didn't use any big words that he failed to understand. ;)Well, if I knew any big words, trust me, I would use them.

[Schism55]

Yeah I have never owned one and am trying to get away with not having to own one. You should have seen the look on Winterborn and BFINWMN looks on their faces when they saw that. Pod and BF02 gave the reactions I expected and Thumper just shook his head.
How those 8 tracks treatin ya? xeyebrowx

[POD Knows]

How those 8 tracks treatin ya? xeyebrowxWhat are you trying to say, I gave my 8 Tracks to BF02, they work great in his fully functional 8 track player. xnodx

[TheKingpin28]

How those 8 tracks treatin ya? xeyebrowx

I still prefer a 45 over digital music.

[caribbeanhen]

I still prefer a 45 over digital music.

agree. And put me down for the 8 track sound as well, is digital music really that bad or is it because I still had my hearing in the 70's?

[Bison56]

agree. And put me down for the 8 track sound as well, is digital music really that bad or is it because I still had my hearing in the 70's?

It is bad.

[UNIFanSince1983]

It is bad.

Or it is so good and you cannot handle the purity.

[clenz]

It is bad.
Yeah.

Nothing beats the sound of the scratches, dust particles, and sound of metal rubbing on plastic to make the sound happen.

That sound of clean audio is....horrifying really.

It's called nostalgia - not actually being better

[Bison56]

Or it is so good and you cannot handle the purity.

Yes, I like my music dirty.

[caribbeanhen]

It is bad.

thats what I thought, besides that Were did all the talent go?

[clenz]

I prefer to watch TV on this

http://www.curtis-mathes.com/1150821_10202361441054638_1228489930_n.jpg


Not a 60" 4K TV


I prefer to drive this

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/1998_Oldsmobile_Regency_%28NTL1991%29.jpg/1280px-1998_Oldsmobile_Regency_%28NTL1991%29.jpg



Not this

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Sauceboy01/main/C7%20Corvette%202.jpg

[clenz]

I prefer to drink this

https://www.ethanproductions.com/alcohol-newDB/images/088352109749.jpg



Over anything else

[JSUSoutherner]

I prefer to watch TV on this

http://www.curtis-mathes.com/1150821_10202361441054638_1228489930_n.jpg


Not a 60" 4K TV


I prefer to drive this

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/1998_Oldsmobile_Regency_%28NTL1991%29.jpg/1280px-1998_Oldsmobile_Regency_%28NTL1991%29.jpg



Not this

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Sauceboy01/main/C7%20Corvette%202.jpg

I assume you'd also choose this

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/5f06a475fa03dcd208dc8634d9e7cc36.jpg

Over this :D

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/0f13f53e3905d6426cbaa373c1e2a577.jpg

[clenz]

100% of the time every time.

Floppy disks are clearly superior storage methods.


Buttons on a phone? Please. Give me the rotary.

[BisonTru]

Man those are some telling stats. I wonder how we could factor in the point in each game where the backups came in and gave up yardage and adjust for that...

For example UCA after going up 6 TDs gave up maybe 100 yards both passing and rushing to UIW in the first half .

Then the backups, both second and third string came in the game in the second half and gave up nearly 200 but only one score.

I know other teams face this issue which is why I think conferences like the SLC need to clean house.

I think UCA would be ranked higher on defense nationally if they kept the starters in all game BUT you don't really want to get them hurt against teams you are up 6 or 7 touchdown on either. I used to love stats..but man sometimes they don't tell the whole story.

Stats are stats. You have to understand what you are looking at. Alcorn St and Campbell are way up there on that list but both played a mediocre schedule. What I like looking at on a yards per play basis is some teams run up tempo high number of play offenses. Naturally those are going to make the offense look good and the defense look worse. On the flip side a grind it out offense will usually make the offense look less potent, but make the defense look better.

[JSUSoutherner]

100% of the time every time.

Floppy disks are clearly superior storage methods.


Buttons on a phone? Please. Give me the rotary.

Floppys are so mainstream. Nothing floats my boat like a good 'ol selectron tube.

[dbackjon]

Do you realize who UNI has lost to???? Iowa State (pretty decent this year) NDSU (top ten), WIU (pretty freaking good) and SUU (pretty freaking good) they play Indiana State next weekend you are going to move them up big because of that victory, if you didn't have them rated decently before, that means you weren't paying attention.

Will you apply the same reasoning to NAU? Only losses to date are Arizona (likely 9-3 team), WIU (pretty freaking good) and Montana (pretty good) with a game at SUU left.

[POD Knows]

Will you apply the same reasoning to NAU? Only losses to date are Arizona (likely 9-3 team), WIU (pretty freaking good) and Montana (pretty good) with a game at SUU left.I got you at #11, WTF is your problem? That is higher than you deserve.

[kalm]

Yeah.

Nothing beats the sound of the scratches, dust particles, and sound of metal rubbing on plastic to make the sound happen.

That sound of clean audio is....horrifying really.




It's called nostalgia - not actually being better

Yeah, what does Jack White know anyways?

[Winterborn]

Yeah I have never owned one and am trying to get away with not having to own one. You should have seen the look on Winterborn and BFINWMN looks on their faces when they saw that. Pod and BF02 gave the reactions I expected and Thumper just shook his head.

Hey, I know dinosaurs existed. But never thought I actually would run into a real live one. Especially a Hypacrosaurus. :D

[PantherRob82]

Who still has buttons On their phone? xlolx

[JSUSoutherner]

Who still has buttons On their phone? xlolx
Well, most of them, actually.

Home buttons. Sleep. Volume.

[katss07]

I got you at #11, WTF is your problem? That is higher than you deserve.

NAU should be much lower. 15? Maybe thats generous. SUU will blow them into bubble conversation. Very overrated team. Would love for the Kats to get NAU at home.

[Catbooster]

I assume you'd also choose this

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/5f06a475fa03dcd208dc8634d9e7cc36.jpg

Over this :D

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/0f13f53e3905d6426cbaa373c1e2a577.jpg
Windows? Come on. That's the best you could come up with? Everyone knows DOS is way better.

[one_armed_man]

Man those are some telling stats. I wonder how we could factor in the point in each game where the backups came in and gave up yardage and adjust for that...

For example UCA after going up 6 TDs gave up maybe 100 yards both passing and rushing to UIW in the first half .

Then the backups, both second and third string came in the game in the second half and gave up nearly 200 but only one score.

I know other teams face this issue which is why I think conferences like the SLC need to clean house.

I think UCA would be ranked higher on defense nationally if they kept the starters in all game BUT you don't really want to get them hurt against teams you are up 6 or 7 touchdown on either. I used to love stats..but man sometimes they don't tell the whole story.

I know what you're getting at here, but I don't see a reason to adjust for it since most teams will take out their starters once they're ahead. I think it's important to see the depth of a team and seeing how they perform in this regard is a decent, not perfect, way to do it.

[cx500d]

Man those are some telling stats. I wonder how we could factor in the point in each game where the backups came in and gave up yardage and adjust for that...

For example UCA after going up 6 TDs gave up maybe 100 yards both passing and rushing to UIW in the first half .

Then the backups, both second and third string came in the game in the second half and gave up nearly 200 but only one score.

I know other teams face this issue which is why I think conferences like the SLC need to clean house.

I think UCA would be ranked higher on defense nationally if they kept the starters in all game BUT you don't really want to get them hurt against teams you are up 6 or 7 touchdown on either. I used to love stats..but man sometimes they don't tell the whole story.


I'm pretty sure a lot of NDSU offensive yds/play stats came from the OOC cupcakes they played....

[BEAR]

I know what you're getting at here, but I don't see a reason to adjust for it since most teams will take out their starters once they're ahead. I think it's important to see the depth of a team and seeing how they perform in this regard is a decent, not perfect, way to do it.

Good way to look at it. Nice perspective. Thanks for that!

[cx500d]

I still prefer a 45 over digital music.


I also prefer a .45; it makes beautiful music.

[cx500d]

I prefer to watch TV on this

http://www.curtis-mathes.com/1150821_10202361441054638_1228489930_n.jpg


Not a 60" 4K TV


I prefer to drive this

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/1998_Oldsmobile_Regency_%28NTL1991%29.jpg/1280px-1998_Oldsmobile_Regency_%28NTL1991%29.jpg



Not this



So you've been to POD's house?

[melloware13]

Who still has buttons On their phone? xlolx
I did until 2014 (and I'm much younger than the typical age of UD fans, I think my parents would be younger than the typical UD fans)

[BisonFan02]

What are you trying to say, I gave my 8 Tracks to BF02, they work great in his fully functional 8 track player. xnodx

**** yeah they do. xlolx

[BisonFan02]

So you've been to POD's house?

The RCA Colortrak was used as a TV stand 10 years past its useful life. He's probably an Oldsmobile man too. xlolx #nadafinga


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poR0oIYEJt8

[Schism55]

A TV as a TV stand for another TV is just too freaking awesome xsmiley_wix

[cx500d]

The RCA Colortrak was used as a TV stand 10 years past its useful life. He's probably an Oldsmobile man too. xlolx #nadafinga


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poR0oIYEJt8


Holy ****, it was true....How else could you ID that TV model and know that useless trivia about that TV...All I remember is those damn things weighed about 300 lbs and took like 3 guys to move them.

[BisonFan02]

Holy ****, it was true....How else could you ID that TV model and know that useless trivia about that TV...All I remember is those damn things weighed about 300 lbs and took like 3 guys to move them.

We had that exact model TV....my bros and I were the remote. xthumbsupx

[ST_Lawson]

Windows? Come on. That's the best you could come up with? Everyone knows DOS is way better.

My first computer is still in it's original box in the basement. I don't have a photo of it, but it's one of these bad boys...

http://oldcomputers.net/pics/C64combo.jpg

5 1/4" floppy drive, tape drive...the works (and it does still work too). Even have the color monitor (was a big upgrade from the old B&W...actually looked brown and yellow technically...monitor). Taught myself how to program in BASIC on that thing.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/C64_startup_animiert.gif

[cx500d]

A TV as a TV stand for another TV is just too freaking awesome xsmiley_wix


I used to do that too. One of my relatives passed away like 20 years ago, and my parents loaded a bunch of their crap up and hauled to me...One of the things was a big ass console TV/stereo/record player/with built in speakers in a long cabinet - it was probably 10 or 12' long, from like the early 70's... I don't think none of the **** worked. I took the TV out and threw it away because it had sliding doors that covered the hole where the TV was, and I used that hole to store a bunch of other junk like VHS tapes and the like....Then I put my mammoth 19" sears TV on top of the cabinet. I think I threw it away the next time I moved because I wasn't going to haul that worthless thing around.

[cx500d]

My first computer is still in it's original box in the basement. I don't have a photo of it, but it's one of these bad boys...

http://oldcomputers.net/pics/C64combo.jpg

5 1/4" floppy drive, tape drive...the works (and it does still work too). Even have the color monitor (was a big upgrade from the old B&W...actually looked brown and yellow technically...monitor). Taught myself how to program in BASIC on that thing.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/C64_startup_animiert.gif

One of the great things about being in the military was moving every 2 or 3 years naturally forced you to get rid of worthless junk like that so you didn't have to expend sweat packing and moving junk.

[TheKingpin28]

agree. And put me down for the 8 track sound as well, is digital music really that bad or is it because I still had my hearing in the 70's?


It is bad.

Give me someone who can run an analog board any day of the week as well as a musician who can play an instrument than some tweener running a digital board and using his "mac" to produce sound.

[TheKingpin28]

Hey, I know dinosaurs existed. But never thought I actually would run into a real live one. Especially a Hypacrosaurus. :D

I see what you did there. Don't lie, you were impressed by my flip phone.

[POD Knows]

Who still has buttons On their phone? xlolxWe just got rid of our company issued BB's a couple years back, I still have my old ones in a box someplace. I could type like a maniac on those things and at the time, the iPhones didn't have the corporate security we needed I guess so we got stuck with those things for a while.

[Daytripper]

The very definition of "thread drift."

[TheKingpin28]

The very definition of "thread drift."

What if people submit their polls on their phone's? Then this whole "thread drift" was actually on topic. Better yet, what if people listen to music when they submit them as well? :D

[Daytripper]

What if people submit their polls on their phone's? Then this whole "thread drift" was actually on topic. Better yet, what if people listen to music when they submit them as well? :D

Or they use their televisions as monitors when they submit their poll...xconfusedx

[ST_Lawson]

The very definition of "thread drift."

I guess some people are itchin' for the offseason already.

[TheKingpin28]

Or they use their televisions as monitors when they submit their poll...xconfusedx

It's a crazy world we live in full of deviants.


I guess some people are itchin' for the offseason already.

Blackjack and Hookers brah...

[JSUSoutherner]

My first computer is still in it's original box in the basement. I don't have a photo of it, but it's one of these bad boys...

http://oldcomputers.net/pics/C64combo.jpg

5 1/4" floppy drive, tape drive...the works (and it does still work too). Even have the color monitor (was a big upgrade from the old B&W...actually looked brown and yellow technically...monitor). Taught myself how to program in BASIC on that thing.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/C64_startup_animiert.gif

Ummm....
UMMMMMM




I want it.

[ST_Lawson]

Ummm....
UMMMMMM

I want it.

http://img1.joyreactor.com/pics/post/auto-333465.jpeg

[BEAR]

http://img1.joyreactor.com/pics/post/auto-333465.jpeg

I am so old. I learned BASIC on that thing...in '85 or so...ugh...

Good grief the "if" "then" statements....bad memories. xlolx

[ST_Lawson]

I am so old. I learned BASIC on that thing...in '85 or so...ugh...

Good grief the "if" "then" statements....bad memories. xlolx

Yup, ditto.

I still do mostly the same stuff, but now I do it in php, and it's a little easier to loop through things like If/Then statements.

[McNeese75]

I am so old. I learned BASIC on that thing...in '85 or so...ugh...

Good grief the "if" "then" statements....bad memories. xlolx

You young whippersnapper. Fortran and punch cards were the bomb :D

[POD Knows]

My first company issue laptop was a Toshiba T1000, thought it was the greatest thing ever, we used something called Casenet for communications until we got email in the early 90's.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26506&stc=1

[POD Knows]

Dammit your right! We should drop them out of the poll they way we did UNH after the Towson game if they don't win by at least 40 points.It is a good thing I had you at 25, now I don't have to drop you that far to take you guys out of the polls.

[TheKingpin28]

It is a good thing I had you at 25, now I don't have to drop you that far to take you guys out of the polls.

Remember all that slot voting talk? Yeah I had them at 27 then up to 25 and probably now back out of the poll. But what do I know? I guess my poll being close to the aggregate was a good thing.