Unbeaten A&T chasing bowl berth, not national title

[ASU33]

He's touted the Celebration Bowl as the "National Championship" numerous times while calling the game.

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I'm quite sure he said the HBCU National Title which the game is for.

[POD Knows]

The point of a Home and Home is for a team to pay it's own expenses and make up that money from it's home gameI don't know why I referenced this but somewhere I heard that we paid EWU to come to Fargo and play and then we got reimbursed on the return trip which made no sense to me. Sorry for the confusion

[grizband]

I don't know why I referenced this but somewhere I heard that we paid EWU to come to Fargo and play and then we got reimbursed on the return trip which made no sense to me. Sorry for the confusionI'm fairly certain Montana pays for home and home agreements with other top FCS schools.

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[POD Knows]

I'm fairly certain Montana pays for home and home agreements with other top FCS schools.

Sent from my SM-N920V using TapatalkDid you hear what the agreement was between NDSU and UM?

[PantherRob82]

The way for us to "prove it" will be early in the season, during our OOC slate, unless something changes.

Which unfortunately didn’t show us much this season. Like I said. Great team, but nothing proven.

[Baltimore Hen]

"A&T’s appearance in the Celebration Bowl drew a 1.7 TV rating and 2.5 million viewers, better than 15 other FBS bowl games in 2015. The FCS national championship game between North Dakota State and Jacksonville State drew 1.4 million viewers on ESPN2.

The disparity was even bigger last season, when Grambling beat N.C. Central in a Celebration Bowl with a 1.8 TV rating and 2.71 million viewers. The two FCS semifinal games the same weekend drew 1.5 million viewers combined. And the FCS championship between James Madison and Youngstown State in January on ESPN2 drew a 0.9 rating and 1.56 million viewers."

Wow.


I would argue that having the name "celebration Bowl" has something to do with it more than interest in the SWAC and MEAC champions. Most of your casual sports fans flipping through the channels and see the word "Bowl" will get drawn in for a little bit. I seriously doubt that it was an active interest from that many people to watch SWAC v MEAC football.

[GAD]

I would argue that having the name "celebration Bowl" has something to do with it more than interest in the SWAC and MEAC champions. Most of your casual sports fans flipping through the channels and see the word "Bowl" will get drawn in for a little bit. I seriously doubt that it was an active interest from that many people to watch SWAC v MEAC football.
Lots of people from the mid-west and west coast love HBCU football schools have been invited to play there and those games would draw between 20-60K. Also people from those areas travel here to be apart of our homecomings and rivalry games. So yes there is a very active interest in SWAC and MEAC football

[Professor]

I would argue that having the name "celebration Bowl" has something to do with it more than interest in the SWAC and MEAC champions. Most of your casual sports fans flipping through the channels and see the word "Bowl" will get drawn in for a little bit. I seriously doubt that it was an active interest from that many people to watch SWAC v MEAC football.

You do realize that the SWAC led all FCS conferences in attendance in 2016. MEAC was number 5. It's an interest , that's why the game was created in the 1st place

[WestCoastAggie]

https://twitter.com/jcapel16/status/932276859009716224

[mmiller_34]

https://twitter.com/jcapel16/status/932276859009716224



I feel about the same when reading about HBCU's and their national championship as I do when I read about North Korean brainwashing.

I, for one, would love to see them compete in the playoffs; Ivy League too.

[cx500d]

I feel about the same when reading about HBCU's and their national championship as I do when I read about North Korean brainwashing.

I, for one, would love to see them compete in the playoffs; Ivy League too.


Ditto....

[PantherRob82]

https://twitter.com/jcapel16/status/932276859009716224
I thought this thread was about how they weren’t playing for a championship? :D

[WestCoastAggie]

I thought this thread was about how they weren’t playing for a championship? :D

An HBCU National Title is still a National Title. It’s just not “recognized” by the NCAA, just like the CFP.

We still got NC rings in 2015 for the first Celebration Bowl win.

[caribbeanhen]

Since you don't seem to get it, let me lay it out for you:

1) The Celebration Bowl is a higher profile game, based on TV network and number of viewers, than any other all-FCS or DI-AA game, including the FCS/DI-AA championship game.

2) The MEAC and SWAC have decided that playing in the Celebration Bowl makes more sense for them than playing in the FCS/DI-AA playoffs.

3) ESPN/ABC have decided the de facto HBCU FCS/DI-AA championship game warrants national coverage on an over-the-air TV network. The network made this decision, not the MEAC or SWAC (though I'm sure the two leagues worked with ESPN/ABC on creating and identifying TV coverage for the game).

Related to the above...

4) ESPN and the other networks that televise college football games provide more coverage to FBS/DI-A conferences and teams, even low level FBS G5 conferences, than they do FCS/DI-AA conferences and teams. The MAC has their MACtion games on ESPN's family of networks on weeknights during much of the season, especially late in the regular season. The Sun Belt I believe has every game hosted by a Sun Belt team streamed on ESPN3. No FCS/DI-AA conference, including the MVFC, CAA, Southern, or any other conference, to my knowledge receives as much national television/internet streaming coverage. Even in cases where individual FCS teams have their games streamed on ESPN3, I believe in most cases they are using their own broadcasts and creating an arrangement with ESPN to have ESPN stream the games on ESPN3, rather than having ESPN produce the game broadcasts themselves.

5) Various programs that were once powers at the FCS/DI-AA level, like Appalachian State, have made the decision to move up to the FBS/DI-A level, despite the fact they are or will not be as competitive at that higher level than they were at the FCS/DI-AA level. They ultimately decided the higher TV/internet streaming exposure received from playing at the FBS/DI-A level more than offset the higher costs associated with playing at the level, or the opportunity to play for national championships at the FCS/DI-AA level.

Various current or former DI-AA programs - more programs in fact - have shown they value greater TV/internet streaming game exposure more than they value playing for the FCS/DI-AA national championship. That is the fundamental issue at work here.

Putting it more simply, the sobering truth is nobody cares about the FCS playoffs and the give a **** factor is only getting worse, we have 2 FBS teams participating anyway that are huge favorites to meet in the finals while nobody else has much of a shot.....(que it up S Dak State)

I Don't blame the HBC conferences for what they did, but as a fan, I'm not interested in watching there bowl game and would love to see them and the elitist Ivy league in the playoffs (even though nobody really cares...) If North Carolina Telephone was playing Stony Brook or N Iowa today, I would be all over that game.

on the other hand, HBC fans know good in well this "National Championship" is fairy tale as the Champ would get decked by any decent FCS team..... but it's ok, they all probably watched Walt Disney on Sunday nights when they were kids..... "where all your dreams can come true"

as for North Dakota State, they have been ranked pretty high in the FBS rankings for years now and have beaten how many FBS teams in a row? this in no FCS team...why they like toiling in obscurity is anyone's guess, they could take it to the next level and make some noise

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I feel about the same when reading about HBCU's and their national championship as I do when I read about North Korean brainwashing.

I, for one, would love to see them compete in the playoffs; Ivy League too.Wht do they segregate themselves?

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[Panther88]

I would argue that having the name "celebration Bowl" has something to do with it more than interest in the SWAC and MEAC champions. Most of your casual sports fans flipping through the channels and see the word "Bowl" will get drawn in for a little bit. I seriously doubt that it was an active interest from that many people to watch SWAC v MEAC football.

Not so much, Hen. The SWAC and MEAC has a fan-base and following that has a decent amount of national appeal to its supporters. For instance, in the early 2000s, PVAMU played 2 annual games in Los Angeles and drew 52K+ and 60K+ respectively and would've had a 3rd annual contest if not for conference scheduling/promoter conflicts the following year. One doesn't draw on avg 56K+ annually if one hasn't sparked the interest of remote-locals as well as those who traveled some 800+ miles away to a neutral site. Double-ditto for PVAMU's opponents in the games (a then bad NCA&T and upstart Morehouse). Obviously, the SWAC/MEAC appeal isn't for the "casual sports fans" as the SWAC/MEAC's sports fans obviously aren't interested in d-1 fcs playoff participants unless they are on the schedule *wink!* *wink!*. One doesn't hold the title of former D-IAA and current D-I FCS attendance leader for umteen years... minus one if one doesn't have a supportive following of sorts. :D



entertainer Nick Cannon, who addressed the crowd of 52,487.
before an estimated crowd of 60,000.


I await the day when 2 other D-I FCS members not in the SWAC or MEAC can travel to a neutral site in another state not named "D-I FCS National championship" and draw 1/10th of those type #s.

[Panther88]

Wht do they segregate themselves?

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But neither are segregating, alph. PVAMU played contests vs SHSU, Nicholls, and IUW this past fall - all southland conf schools. I think Grambling State played Northwestern State earlier this fall as well. No one is segregating. Where are you all getting this bad information from? lol xlolx

[WileECoyote06]

Putting it more simply, the sobering truth is nobody cares about the FCS playoffs and the give a **** factor is only getting worse, we have 2 FBS teams participating anyway that are huge favorites to meet in the finals while nobody else has much of a shot.....(que it up S Dak State)

I Don't blame the HBC conferences for what they did, but as a fan, I'm not interested in watching there bowl game and would love to see them and the elitist Ivy league in the playoffs (even though nobody really cares...) If North Carolina Telephone was playing Stony Brook or N Iowa today, I would be all over that game.

on the other hand, HBC fans know good in well this "National Championship" is fairy tale as the Champ would get decked by any decent FCS team..... but it's ok, they all probably watched Walt Disney on Sunday nights when they were kids..... "where all your dreams can come true"

as for North Dakota State, they have been ranked pretty high in the FBS rankings for years now and have beaten how many FBS teams in a row? this in no FCS team...why they like toiling in obscurity is anyone's guess, they could take it to the next level and make some noise

xlolx

[gsf23nd]

An HBCU National Title is still a National Title. It’s just not “recognized” by the NCAA, just like the CFP.

We still got NC rings in 2015 for the first Celebration Bowl win.

You wouldn't know it by listening to the broadcast. I watched the first year it was on and Jay Walker must have said about 20 times that the game was for the FCS National Championship. There was no mention of it being the HBCU National Championship, was just said it was the FCS National Championship.

[WileECoyote06]

Wht do they segregate themselves?

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You call it segregation, we call it leveraging our brand. xdontknowx

[OhioHen]

Nothing new here - some are for it, some are against it.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?69597-Florida-A-amp-M-President-We-Do-Not-Support-Legacy-Bowl-Preventing-National-Title-Pursu

[ASU33]

You wouldn't know it by listening to the broadcast. I watched the first year it was on and Jay Walker must have said about 20 times that the game was for the FCS National Championship. There was no mention of it being the HBCU National Championship, was just said it was the FCS National Championship.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djrwSgbk7aE

Could you point out the minute marks please

[Panther88]

You call it segregation, we call it leveraging our brand. xdontknowx

Finally. There's no denying.

While I'm here.... looking forward to travel to the ATL when PVAMU does battle w/ your NCCU eagles @ Turner Field for the MEAC/SWAC challenge 2018.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

You call it segregation, we call it leveraging our brand. xdontknowxOf course you do...........

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[WileECoyote06]

Finally. There's no denying.

While I'm here.... looking forward to travel to the ATL when PVAMU does battle w/ your NCCU eagles @ Turner Field for the MEAC/SWAC challenge 2018.

It sounds like a great match-up. I've got some good friends who are Prairie View alums and we're gonna party it up!

[IBleedYellow]

Not so much, Hen. The SWAC and MEAC has a fan-base and following that has a decent amount of national appeal to its supporters. For instance, in the early 2000s, PVAMU played 2 annual games in Los Angeles and drew 52K+ and 60K+ respectively and would've had a 3rd annual contest if not for conference scheduling/promoter conflicts the following year. One doesn't draw on avg 56K+ annually if one hasn't sparked the interest of remote-locals as well as those who traveled some 800+ miles away to a neutral site. Double-ditto for PVAMU's opponents in the games (a then bad NCA&T and upstart Morehouse). Obviously, the SWAC/MEAC appeal isn't for the "casual sports fans" as the SWAC/MEAC's sports fans obviously aren't interested in d-1 fcs playoff participants unless they are on the schedule *wink!* *wink!*. One doesn't hold the title of former D-IAA and current D-I FCS attendance leader for umteen years... minus one if one doesn't have a supportive following of sorts. :D



I await the day when 2 other D-I FCS members not in the SWAC or MEAC can travel to a neutral site in another state not named "D-I FCS National championship" and draw 1/10th of those type #s.

NDSU plays in Minneapolis in 2019.

I'm guessing we'll bring more than 1/10th like you claim.

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[BNATION]

IMO they are not FCS, they are their own division, segregated from the rest of CF. H&H are great and all, if they want to play in the FCS move the bowls up and compete in the playoffs. As it stands now they are in a separate league.


Tell your folks to get in touch w/ their folks and settle it then.

The MEAC and SWAC are doing what it is in their best interests to serve their fans/supporters/student-athletes. That's all that needs to be said on that front. Others are doing what they do... thanksgiving holiday weekend.... in the brilliant cold.... on a saturday.... in front of 417 people. Godspeed to ya'.

[Panther88]

NDSU plays in Minneapolis in 2019.

I'm guessing we'll bring more than 1/10th like you claim.

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Congrats

[Panther88]

IMO they are not FCS, they are their own division, segregated from the rest of CF. H&H are great and all, if they want to play in the FCS move the bowls up and compete in the playoffs. As it stands now they are in a separate league.

I could’ve sworn PVAMU played shsu and nicholls st in back-2-back weeks a few mos ago. xconfusedx What is this segregation you all are speaking of?

[Panther88]

It sounds like a great match-up. I've got some good friends who are Prairie View alums and we're gonna party it up!

Ditto. It’ll be one big family party until the game starts. Wish HFIII was still HC@NCCU. It would be a repeat of what will probably occur w/ coach Broadway if GSU wins the SWAC.

[cx500d]

I could’ve sworn PVAMU played shsu and nicholls st in back-2-back weeks a few mos ago. xconfusedx What is this segregation you all are speaking of?


Which one(s) did you beat?

[PantherRob82]

Honest question and I didn’t want to start another thread. Is the Celebration Bowl’s future in jeopardy with ESPN’s financial situation?

[Herder]

If A&T were chasing the FCS title, they would be USF of the College Football FBS Playoff. Undefeated with a less than stellar list of Wins, watching on tv.

[centennial]

Honest question and I didn’t want to start another thread. Is the Celebration Bowl’s future in jeopardy with ESPN’s financial situation?

Think we'll have to go look at the contract. If they make a profit they'll renew.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

NDSU plays in Minneapolis in 2019.

I'm guessing we'll bring more than 1/10th like you claim.

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Target Field will be packed for that game....xnodx

[Bisonoline]

Target Field will be packed for that game....xnodx

I just dont see the attraction of this game. But I also understand they arent really targeting the normal NDSU season ticket holder.

[cx500d]

Target Field will be packed for that game....xnodx


Even I will come back for that one.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I just dont see the attraction of this game. But I also understand they arent really targeting the normal NDSU season ticket holder.


For me, it is another game to go to that is close. Different venue and a chance for many Twin Cities alum to get to a game. St Thomas/St Johns put 35K+ in there and broke the D3 record, I would bet this game will surpass that with Bison fans. A better opponent would help but it should draw a great crowd. Make the trip PL....xthumbsupx

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Even I will come back for that one.

Good, I'll see you there....xthumbsupx

[BNATION]

And lost both games, i want them to participate in the Playoff. I think it would benefit these schools alot. You can still have the bowls and band battles.

I could’ve sworn PVAMU played shsu and nicholls st in back-2-back weeks a few mos ago. xconfusedx What is this segregation you all are speaking of?

[Professor]

And lost both games, i want them to participate in the Playoff. I think it would benefit these schools alot. You can still have the bowls and band battles.

Who wants to bid on a home playoff game when we are making close to a million dollars. ABC and College Gameday are > than ESPN3. This is about $$$ and branding.

Enjoy chasing NDSU and JMU and paying the NCAA

[AggieManiac704]

Yeah the bidding process as a whole is a major crap point for our school

[BNATION]

Y'all should honestly be upset about the attention ABC/ESPN gives the SWAC/MEAC schools, the football as whole has been very poor, so the only reason they showcase this is to try to pander to the left. They should call this broadcast the affirmative action bowl. Honestly as a black man I don't like it.


Who wants to bid on a home playoff game when we are making close to a million dollars. ABC and College Gameday are > than ESPN3. This is about $$$ and branding.

Enjoy chasing NDSU and JMU and paying the NCAA

[WestCoastAggie]

Y'all should honestly be upset about the attention ABC/ESPN gives the SWAC/MEAC schools, the football as whole has been very poor, so the only reason they showcase this is to try to pander to the left. They should call this broadcast the affirmative action bowl. Honestly as a black man I don't like it.

Why are you interjecting politics into this?

[WileECoyote06]

Y'all should honestly be upset about the attention ABC/ESPN gives the SWAC/MEAC schools, the football as whole has been very poor, so the only reason they showcase this is to try to pander to the left. They should call this broadcast the affirmative action bowl. Honestly as a black man I don't like it.

lol. . . what?

Whether you like it or not, the top schools in the MEAC and SWAC have national appeal. How is this the Affirmative Action Bowl, when HBCU football has been nationally broadcast for decades?

You're acting like a crab right now bro.

[BNATION]

I just want to see them truly compete for a championship, not a league which excludes national competition.

[PantherRob82]

This thread still has way too many posters’ arguments crossing over like a Venn diagram. The title says they aren’t playing for a national title, but then you have people sharing pictures of players talking about playing for a national title.

Celbration Bowl is way better than they playoffs for these schools. That’s a financial fact. It just keeps us from seeing how competitive they are with the subdivision as a whole.

[WileECoyote06]

It's about revenues and expenditures. JMU bought their championship. If they hadn't won last year, it was only going to be a matter of time.

[WestCoastAggie]

This thread still has way too many posters’ arguments crossing over like a Venn diagram. The title says they aren’t playing for a national title, but then you have people sharing pictures of players talking about playing for a national title.

Celbration Bowl is way better than they playoffs for these schools. That’s a financial fact. It just keeps us from seeing how competitive they are with the subdivision as a whole.

If A&T player Jaquil Capel says they are playing for a National Championship, which they really are (the HBCU National Championship), who am I to tell them otherwise?

[PantherRob82]

If A&T player Jaquil Capel says they are playing for a National Championship, which they really are (the HBCU National Championship), who am I to tell them otherwise?

No. If Central florida plays Miami in the Sunshine Daises Rainbow Unicorn Bowl and says it is for the Florida School National Championship I would tell them otherwise. The National Championship is in Frisco. There’s nothing National about two conference champions playing an exhibition.

[Professor]

I just want to see them truly compete for a championship, not a league which excludes national competition.

Then put your money up. JMU spent last 9 million on football last year. A&T spent 12.5 million on all athletics. If you want to see us compete for a national title, then donate and get your friends to donate. Until we get our budget up to those type of numbers, the million payout from the celebration bowl per conference is just fine

[Panther88]

And lost both games, i want them to participate in the Playoff. I think it would benefit these schools alot. You can still have the bowls and band battles.

And what does losing both games have to do w/ this fictitious segregation that you spoke of? You stated that the SWAC/MEAC were segregating themselves and that is untrue. Look @ the OOC schedules of both conferences and you won't see segregation. xsmhx PVAMU played 3 differing southland conference schools fall 2017 and will play 2 more fall 2018. :) So much for "segregation." lol

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Who wants to bid on a home playoff game when we are making close to a million dollars. ABC and College Gameday are > than ESPN3. This is about $$$ and branding.

Enjoy chasing NDSU and JMU and paying the NCAA

lol

[Professor]

No. If Central florida plays Miami in the Sunshine Daises Rainbow Unicorn Bowl and says it is for the Florida School National Championship I would tell them otherwise. The National Championship is in Frisco. There’s nothing National about two conference champions playing an exhibition.

I don't get why you care so much about wording. No one is watching the FCS title game. No one knows who JMU beat last year. I can't even remember lol. His post was supposed to say HBCU national Championship. And if that kid feels that way, it's his experience so let him. His ring will say National champ after he wins it , so let it be

[Panther88]

I don't get why you care so much about wording. No one is watching the FCS title game. No one knows who JMU beat last year. I can't even remember lol. His post was supposed to say HBCU national Championship. And if that kid feels that way, it's his experience so let him. His ring will say National champ after he wins it , so let it be

It's amazing that some simply do not understand that our schools have a national draw. For me, in December, I'm driving a mere 27 minutes to dfw'intl airport to catch a non-stop flight to the ATL to watch the SWAC/MEAC Celebration Bowl and enjoy the festivities there. In January, I will NOT drive a mere 47 minutes on 121-East to catch whomever is playing for the D-I FCS deal in Frisco. The only reason I visit Frisco is for Ikea and that mall. Otherwise, no mas. :D

[PantherRob82]

I don't get why you care so much about wording. No one is watching the FCS title game. No one knows who JMU beat last year. I can't even remember lol. His post was supposed to say HBCU national Championship. And if that kid feels that way, it's his experience so let him. His ring will say National champ after he wins it , so let it be

I don’t remember who won the HBCU title game last year.

I will I’ll let him feel that way. xthumbsupx

[PantherRob82]

It's amazing that some simply do not understand that our schools have a national draw. For me, in December, I'm driving a mere 27 minutes to dfw'intl airport to catch a non-stop flight to the ATL to watch the SWAC/MEAC Celebration Bowl and enjoy the festivities there. In January, I will NOT drive a mere 47 minutes on 121-East to catch whomever is playing for the D-I FCS deal in Frisco. The only reason I visit Frisco is for Ikea and that mall. Otherwise, no mas. :D

Thats just ignorant. If NDSU and JMU play in Frisco that will be a great atmosphere. If I had the ability I would be in Frisco every year and likely at the Celebration Bowl or another classic every year.

I think everyone understands your draw. Has anyone argued that?

[Professor]

I don’t remember who won the HBCU title game last year.

I will I’ll let him feel that way. xthumbsupx

Lol you might not but the 2.7 million who watched on ABC do.

[TheKingpin28]

I don’t remember who won the HBCU title game last year.

I will I’ll let him feel that way. xthumbsupx

I had no idea it was on. I had to look to see who even played. To me, it is just another "bowl" game that I could go without. The fact that Jay Walker calls the games (I had to look it up) is enough reason for me to not want to watch. All that said, I have posted numerous times on how I would love to go to the Bayou Classic and will one day check that off my bucket list.

[WestCoastAggie]

No. If Central florida plays Miami in the Sunshine Daises Rainbow Unicorn Bowl and says it is for the Florida School National Championship I would tell them otherwise. The National Championship is in Frisco. There’s nothing National about two conference champions playing an exhibition.

You're being silly now. The Black College Football National Championship is 98 years old. They've been giving it out since 1920 and A&T last won it in 2015.

So while yes, we aren't playing for a FCS national title, a national title will be given to the champion of the Celebration Bowl.

Your analogy short changes the history behind the BCF national title.

[PantherRob82]

Lol you might not but the 2.7 million who watched on ABC do.

I watched and call BS.

[PantherRob82]

You're being silly now. The Black College Football National Championship is 98 years old. They've been giving it out since 1920 and A&T last won it in 2015.

So while yes, we aren't playing for a FCS national title, a national title will be given to the champion of the Celebration Bowl.

Your analogy short changes the history behind the BCF national title.

the idea of having a BCFNC is 98 years old. Seems silly in this day and age, but I understand the history and rivalries. I suppose it is better than when they used to just decide rather than play for it

[WileECoyote06]

1.8 rating and 2.7 million viewers.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2016/12/23/Media/Audience.aspx

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I don’t remember who won the HBCU title game last year.

I will I’ll let him feel that way. xthumbsupx

I am a little embarrassed but I didnt even know there was a HBCU NC game until a couple days ago..................thank god for this thread!

[PantherRob82]

1.8 rating and 2.7 million viewers.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2016/12/23/Media/Audience.aspx

No one is debating how many people watched it, just how many people could tell you who won. I can only remember one of the teams that played, and that’s because North Carolina telephone was in the playoffs.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

the idea of having a BCFNC is 98 years old. Seems silly in this day and age, but I understand the history and rivalries. I suppose it is better than when they used to just decide rather than play for it

Its definitely something that needs to be changed for the better of football, 98 years of being painted into a corner USUALLY makes people use a certain word right about now..........cant think it right now but I know people on social media use it a lot.

Whatever could that word be?

xcoffeex

[Panther88]

Thats just ignorant. If NDSU and JMU play in Frisco that will be a great atmosphere. If I had the ability I would be in Frisco every year and likely at the Celebration Bowl or another classic every year.

I think everyone understands your draw. Has anyone argued that?

What's ignorant is attempting to tell another how their value system should be situated. Capiche? Do you and yours; I'll do me and mine. Except me and mine will be televised nationally on ABC. xlolx No dig. :D

[WestCoastAggie]

Its definitely something that needs to be changed for the better of football, 98 years of being painted into a corner USUALLY makes people use a certain word right about now..........cant think it right now but I know people on social media use it a lot.

Whatever could that word be?

xcoffeex

I don't want to go this way, but it needs to be said. These FCS Playoff proponents are confusing "assimilation" with "inclusiveness."

Telling the entities that are in charge of the BCF NC to stop giving it out "for the betterment of football" is tragic.

This is akin to people telling the Power-5 conferences to give up the CFP and allow the NCAA to run their playoffs and bowl games. There is not a requirement for NCAA members to play for their championships.

Also, there is almost a century of history behind that title that would be foolish to throw away. If anything, a better understanding of it is needed, as it's foolish for one to give up one's culture and assimilate. It's these differences that make FCS football great and to undermine these differences would further hurt the subdivision.

[PantherRob82]

What's ignorant is attempting to tell another how their value system should be situated. Capiche? Do you and yours; I'll do me and mine. Except me and mine will be televised nationally on ABC. xlolx No dig. :D

xrolleyesx

It’s like the old saying goes, “It is better to be watched than to be good.”

[Panther88]

xrolleyesx

It’s like the old saying goes, “It is better to be watched than to be good.”

Akin to that other old saying "it's best not to take ownership of something that does not belong to you." :D

[PantherRob82]

Me: “I totally get it. The Celebration Bowl is a way better deal.”

P88: “Don’t tell me what to do. You’re not my dad.”

xcoffeex

[OhioHen]

You're being silly now. The Black College Football National Championship is 98 years old. They've been giving it out since 1920 and A&T last won it in 2015.

So while yes, we aren't playing for a FCS national title, a national title will be given to the champion of the Celebration Bowl.

Your analogy short changes the history behind the previously relevant, but now self-imposed segregation national title.

FIFY

[GAD]

Y'all should honestly be upset about the attention ABC/ESPN gives the SWAC/MEAC schools, the football as whole has been very poor, so the only reason they showcase this is to try to pander to the left. They should call this broadcast the affirmative action bowl. Honestly as a black man I don't like it.
The best drawing games in FCS feature HBCUs

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Y'all should honestly be upset about the attention ABC/ESPN gives the SWAC/MEAC schools, the football as whole has been very poor, so the only reason they showcase this is to try to pander to the left. They should call this broadcast the affirmative action bowl. Honestly as a black man I don't like it.

We won't be doing anything concerning politics on the FCS Discussion board so please make a note of that going forward.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Akin to that other old saying "it's best not to take ownership of something that does not belong to you." :D


That is a VERY offensive statement to me as a white man...............

[Panther88]

Me: “I totally get it. The Celebration Bowl is a way better deal.”

P88: “Don’t tell me what to do. You’re not my dad.”

xcoffeex

Nah man. More like this....
PR82: Follow us; it's our ball, our field, our rules, and no one else wants to play in it but us.
Me: I'm seriously not interested but good luck to you all.

[Professor]

Exactly. It makes no sense. The Ivy league doesn't participate in the FCS playoffs because they don't want too. And now the MEAC doesn't send its champion and half the SWAC is playing regular season games.

Maybe some of you should focus on improving the playoffs. But if i was on the outside looking in i be a bit upset as well. A 2 yr event is larger than the FCS Championship.

[PantherRob82]

Exactly. It makes no sense. The Ivy league doesn't participate in the FCS playoffs because they don't want too. And now the MEAC doesn't send its champion and half the SWAC is playing regular season games.

Maybe some of you should focus on improving the playoffs. But if i was on the outside looking in i be a bit upset as well. A 2 yr event is larger than the FCS Championship.

The FCS Championship has never been a big deal. Why would the creation of an event upset anyone? No one gives a **** about FCS football unless their school is in FCS or we get an FBS upset.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26636&stc=1

[Panther88]

The FCS Championship has never been a big deal.

xconfusedx WTF?! But I thought the end all be all... xconfusedx

[ASU33]

Aye I enjoy both. I sit back and watch the FCS playoffs and I've attended both Celebration Bowls and will be attending again in a few weeks. I confused as to why folks cant enjoy both or why what schools you've never been to decide to do as far as the post season?

[ASU33]

Also if we get that Grambling v NC A&T matchup we'll get the highest attended Celebration Bowl yet!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

xconfusedx WTF?! But I thought the end all be all... xconfusedx

Well the FCS is the only legit National Champion in D1 collage football so there is that. xcoffeex

[PurpleStreamers]

Aye I enjoy both. I sit back and watch the FCS playoffs and I've attended both Celebration Bowls and will be attending again in a few weeks. I confused as to why folks cant enjoy both or why what schools you've never been to decide to do as far as the post season?

Well said 33.