AGS Poll Results - Week 9 - 10/30/2017

[AGSPoll]

AGS Poll Results - Week 9 - 10/30/2017


Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
James Madison Dukes
1967
71
1


2
North Dakota State Bison
1903
8
2


3
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1757

3


4
Central Arkansas Bears
1734

4


5
South Dakota Coyotes
1638

5


6
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1511

6


7
Elon Phoenix
1510

7


8
Wofford Terriers
1379

9


9
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1285

15


10
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
1221

14


11
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
1136

16


12
North Carolina A&T Aggies
945

12


13
Illinois State Redbirds
936

20


14
Stony Brook Seawolves
909

19


15
Eastern Washington Eagles
789

17


16
Western Illinois Leathernecks
776

8


17
Weber State Wildcats
755

25


18
Furman Paladins
612

30


19
Samford Bulldogs
462

10


20
Western Carolina Catamounts
447

11


21
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
381

13


22
Monmouth Hawks
313

28


23
Villanova Wildcats
234

18


24
Northern Iowa Panthers
226

22


25
McNeese State Cowboys
213

21

















ORV:





26
Nicholls State Colonels
157

31


27
Grambling State Tigers
121

29


28
New Hampshire Wildcats
103

27


29
Kennesaw State Owls
80

38


30
Richmond Spiders
51

24


31
Montana Grizzlies
35

26


32
Yale Bulldogs
26

NR


33
Duquesne Dukes
21

NR


34T
Maine Black Bears
10

37


34T
North Carolina Central Eagles
10

36


36T
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
4

39


36T
The Citadel Bulldogs
4

40


36T
Youngstown State Penguins
4

23
























Most Significant Win:
Furman Paladins






Most Significant Loss:
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens



























Fell Out Of Poll:






Austin Peay Governors






Columbia Lions






Sacramento State Hornets






Southern Illinois Salukis

[PantherRob82]

First!

Hello PantherRob82,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/29/2017 8:06:30

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Elon Phoenix
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
8: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Furman Paladins
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Eastern Washington Eagles
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Monmouth Hawks
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Western Illinois Leathernecks

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

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[POD Knows]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/29/2017 10:06:45

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Furman Paladins
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: Western Illinois Leathernecks
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Daytripper]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Elon Phoenix
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Furman Paladins
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Western Carolina Catamounts
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: Grambling State Tigers
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Eastern Washington Eagles
25: McNeese State Cowboys

Daytripper

The Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

[Professor Chaos]

The Wedge blog post for the poll this week: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-top-25-week-9-results-2/

There was a ton of movement this week between from #9 on. I'm surprised to see McNeese still hanging in at #25... especially just above a Nicholls team they lost to head-to-head.

[BisonBacker]

Hello BisonBacker,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/30/2017 8:26:44

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Western Carolina Catamounts
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Furman Paladins
24: Nicholls State Colonels
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

BisonBacker

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[IBleedYellow]

Are the NDSU votes consistently the same voters?

[Reign of Terrier]

I can't complain about this poll

[clenz]

Are the NDSU votes consistently the same voters?
I've had them #1 all year, minus the 2 or three weeks I moved USD up there.

I'm going to guess it's the same group of 6-8 every week.

[Professor Chaos]

16: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Western Illinois Leathernecks

These two seem very backwards to me. Both are 5-3 but WIU has a dominating road win over your #8 team and obliterated FBS CCU (who is bad but is still FBS) along with all 3 losses being to teams in your top 15. UNH's only quality wins are a 10 point win against Georgia Southern (who is worse than CCU) and a 1 point squeaker against Maine. Add to that they have a horrendous loss to Holy Cross.

I'm surprised to see WIU getting hammered as hard as they have been in a few different poll ballots posted so far. I guess I'm just high on them compared to the consensus.

[RootinFerDukes]

This was a good poll. There's little for me to complain about personally. A few teams were slightly higher or lower than I thought they were, but not by more than a rank or two.

Whoops I lied. Are we potentially overating the SLC a smidge this year? UCA and SHSU I get, but a ranked McNeese and Nicholls right on the outside? Potentially four ranked SLC teams? That seems like a bit much to me.

[BEAR]

Would there have been any reason to move #1 - #7? xeyebrowx

[centennial]

Daytripper why is SHSU so high?

[RootinFerDukes]

Daytripper why is SHSU so high?

Even more confusing with USD all the way down as his #7. SHSU won't beat any of the top 7 in this week's AGS poll in the playoffs.

[FurmanWins!!]

Paladins moving up, finally

[PantherRob82]

These two seem very backwards to me. Both are 5-3 but WIU has a dominating road win over your #8 team and obliterated FBS CCU (who is bad but is still FBS) along with all 3 losses being to teams in your top 15. UNH's only quality wins are a 10 point win against Georgia Southern (who is worse than CCU) and a 1 point squeaker against Maine. Add to that they have a horrendous loss to Holy Cross.

I'm surprised to see WIU getting hammered as hard as they have been in a few different poll ballots posted so far. I guess I'm just high on them compared to the consensus.

I completely voted from scratch yesterday. I spent a few hours comparing resumes. Definitely need to revisit these teams since I can’t remember the arguement. :)

I definitely think western Illinois headed in the wrong direction. New Hampshire has been had it in a better direction since the holy cross loss and I expected them to lose the James Madison

[Daytripper]

Even more confusing with USD all the way down as his #7. SHSU won't beat any of the top 7 in this week's AGS poll in the playoffs.

Once again. Opinion. Based on recent success/games that's where I see it.

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Daytripper why is SHSU so high?

Because that is where I think they belong.

[ElCid]

Paladins moving up, finally

Hmm. Or....Paladins finally beating good team....on a consistent basis. No need to have been butt sore. They moved up as they should have. A little inertia maybe, but not totally out to lunch. You don't get a huge amount of points for close losses until you have the wins.


And before Citdog beats me to it
....Furman sucks.

[centennial]

Once again. Opinion. Based on recent success/games that's where I see it.

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Because that is where I think they belong.

Then I have the same question for you as I have for the JMU fans. Explain which top 25 or FBS win justifies this rating. Best wins are Richmond and SELA. Bad loss to UCA.

[Reign of Terrier]

If Furman wins their next two, I imagine they'll be in the top 12 before the playoffs, which I think is appropriate. It Wofford stumbles, you could argue they deserve a seed but let's not get ahead of ourselves

[McNeese72]

Then I have the same question for you as I have for the JMU fans. Explain which top 25 or FBS win justifies this rating. Best wins are Richmond and SELA. Bad loss to UCA.

Do you just penalize a good team because their schedule does not allow them to play any top 25 teams?? There is just no way to accurately gauge their strength. I know one thing. UCA is a very good team.

Doc

[FurmanWins!!]

Hmm. Or....Paladins finally beating good team....on a consistent basis. No need to have been butt sore. They moved up as they should have. A little inertia maybe, but not totally out to lunch. You don't get a huge amount of points for close losses until you have the wins.


And before Citdog beats me to it
....Furman sucks.



Butt sore, that what the cadets like doing down in smelly chucktown these days


Like I said, Paladins moving up, finally

[Professor Chaos]

Here's mine:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Furman Paladins
15: Western Carolina Catamounts
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: Yale Bulldogs
25: Nicholls State Colonels

I'll admit that 10-16 is a mess. I really struggled on where to place SDSU. I just did not like their convincing losses to YSU and UNI. I wanted to keep WIU above NAU due to the head-to-head but then ignored head-to-head when placing SDSU in relation to WIU so I deserve some criticism there... it was just a tough week to place teams in that part of the poll for me. WIU and SDSU should be able to clear things up one way or the other with their games this week.

[JSUSoutherner]

JSU is not a top 5 team.

[centennial]

Do you just penalize a good team because their schedule does not allow them to play any top 25 teams?? There is just no way to accurately gauge their strength. I know one thing. UCA is a very good team.

Doc

They need to blow out the competition because of the weak schedule then. Close games against SFA, NWST, SELA, PWAM, and none of those teams smell the top 25. At this point maybe I can see top 10, top 5 when multiple teams have better wins is dubious.

[Daytripper]

Then I have the same question for you as I have for the JMU fans. Explain which top 25 or FBS win justifies this rating. Best wins are Richmond and SELA. Bad loss to UCA.

We got beat on the road by a team that will likely be in the semifinals (UCA). Richmond, SELA and Nicholls are all good wins. Not sure if you watched the SELA game, but our D shut down a very strong offense and we ran the ball down their throat. The team seems to be coming together towards the end of the season, which happens almost every year. Maybe I am too close to the team to be more objective, but I think they are getting better every week and I think they are better than most on here give them credit for. As usual, the playoffs will sort it out.

[Bison56]

JSU is not a top 5 team.

Can't argue that.

[Professor Chaos]

They need to blow out the competition because of the weak schedule then. Close games against SFA, NWST, SELA, PWAM, and none of those teams smell the top 25. At this point maybe I can see top 10, top 5 when multiple teams have better wins is dubious.
You can't call SHSU's loss to UCA a "bad loss" and then call their wins against PV A&M and SFA close wins. Either all of them are close games or all of them are convincing wins/losses.

[ElCid]

Butt sore, that what the cadets like doing down in smelly chucktown these days


Like I said, Paladins moving up, finally

Regardless of your cheerleading....which by the way was getting really annoying. Solid voters ignore most cheerleaders. I do.

[centennial]

You can't call SHSU's loss to UCA a "bad loss" and then call their wins against PV A&M and SFA close wins. Either all of them are close games or all of them are convincing wins/losses.

They played bad competition too close for comfort. Have 2 convincing wins against bad teams. If UCA is truly top 5, then I can get behind SHSU at around 10. I still haven't heard how they are top 5 this year. Look at UCA wins vs SHSU wins (lot of the same teams) and UCA is doing better on all games.

[Daytripper]

They need to blow out the competition because of the weak schedule then. Close games against SFA, NWST, SELA, PWAM, and none of those teams smell the top 25. At this point maybe I can see top 10, top 5 when multiple teams have better wins is dubious.

Centennial, where is your poll?

It seems petty to obsess on my placing a team only two spots higher than the entire AGS polling community placed them.

[RootinFerDukes]

JSU is not a top 5 team.

You are simply because no one else wants to be a top 5 team. Maybe lose and that'll solve that problem?

[JSUSoutherner]

You are simply because no one else wants to be a top 5 team. Maybe lose and that'll solve that problem?
We'll win out. But don't be surprised if we get demolished in the second round. Our offense is anemic.

[BisonFan02]

Are the NDSU votes consistently the same voters?

Added a few this week....me included.

[Nickels]

They need to blow out the competition because of the weak schedule then. Close games against SFA, NWST, SELA, PWAM, and none of those teams smell the top 25. At this point maybe I can see top 10, top 5 when multiple teams have better wins is dubious.
Agree 100%.

[dbackjon]

In the poll results thread I said NAU should be in the 8-12 range. Came in right in the middle, at 10.

[Sammy94]

Then I have the same question for you as I have for the JMU fans. Explain which top 25 or FBS win justifies this rating. Best wins are Richmond and SELA. Bad loss to UCA.

Explain? A bad loss to a top 5 team? Its not like Sam was blown out in that game?

[beerkat]

Explain? A bad loss to a top 5 team? Its not like Sam was blown out in that game?

if UCA were in the MVFC it would then become a "quality loss"

[centennial]

Explain? A bad loss to a top 5 team? Its not like Sam was blown out in that game?

It's only a bad loss for a 4th ranked team. Now if UCA had beaten Kansas State and were better than NDSU and JSU (they would be in my poll) then losing to them and staying a top 5 team I could get behind.

[dewey]

Here is my attempt. Fire away. I moved NDSU to #1 this week due to the strength of schedule that centennial put up yesterday. However I could easily go either way. The 10-18 range was tough.

Hello dewey,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/29/2017 21:40:07

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: Furman Paladins
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Western Carolina Catamounts
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Montana Grizzlies
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Monmouth Hawks

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[Sammy94]

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Furman Paladins
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Kennesaw State Owls

Sammy94

The Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins
The Most Significant Loss: Western Illinois Leathernecks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

[RootinFerDukes]

It's only a bad loss for a 4th ranked team. Now if UCA had beaten Kansas State and were better than NDSU and JSU (they would be in my poll) then losing to them and staying a top 5 team I could get behind.

EVERYONE SUCKS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BEAT ALABAMA! ROLL TIDE!

There. Argument over. Shut AGS down.

[RootinFerDukes]

Honest question here as I'm trying to decipher what really is the computational difference between sagarin and massey's rankings.

Both sites have NDSU ahead of JMU in relation to the FCS schools. However, Massey lists NDSU with 22 SOS and JMU 32. Sagarin however surprised me with JMU 176 and NDSU 177 (includes FBS and FCS together).

Why does massey like NDSU's SOS so much more? I'm also shocked to see 0-8 ISU as high as 79th rank. A winless team should be among the bottom 20 at bare minimum. MVFC or not.

[centennial]

EVERYONE SUCKS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BEAT ALABAMA! ROLL TIDE!

There. Argument over. Shut AGS down.

Dude, what is your problem? I get that I hurt your JMU feelers, please stop responding to me. You literally add nothing to the discussion with me, and cannot form a coherent argument.

[Reign of Terrier]

Honest question here as I'm trying to decipher what really is the computational difference between sagarin and massey's rankings.

Both sites have NDSU ahead of JMU in relation to the FCS schools. However, Massey lists NDSU with 22 SOS and JMU 32. Sagarin however surprised me with JMU 176 and NDSU 177 (includes FBS and FCS together).

Why does massey like NDSU's SOS so much more?

I could be wrong, because like you I don't know the difference, but it's possible that it's all in the margin of error or not statistically significant.

Computer rankings are great for tie-breakers among mid-tier teams in top-tier conferences and top-tier teams from mid-tier conferences, but they are a poor baseline for top teams in top-tier conferences, especially when comparing different conferences.

[FurmanWins!!]

Regardless of your cheerleading....which by the way was getting really annoying. Solid voters ignore most cheerleaders. I do.



I almost feel sorry for you bud

[beerkat]

just out of curiosity, what is the breakdown of voters by conference affiliation?

[Redbirdgrad]

Daytripper do you honestly think Illinois State is OUTSIDE of the top 25 in FCS as of right now? Curious if that was an oversight or you just don't think they belong.

I'll hang up and listen. Thanks!

[Daytripper]

just out of curiosity, what is the breakdown of voters by conference affiliation?

Guessing heavy MVFC and CAA. Not saying that there is bias or it impacts the poll. I really think the large majority of voters try to be objective. But our teams are like our kids: We have blind spots and an emotional investment..

[FurmanWins!!]

http://www.digitalflood.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/movin-on-up.jpg

[Daytripper]

Daytripper do you honestly think Illinois State is OUTSIDE of the top 25 in FCS as of right now? Curious if that was an oversight or you just don't think they belong.

I'll hang up and listen. Thanks!

I do. Just way too inconsistent. They could get blown out next week. If they continue to win, I will put them back in. But right now they are in that crazy 15-30 mix that is simply a matter of personal preference.

[Redbirdgrad]

While I differ from your opinion, I appreciate the insight into your thinking.

Good day sir!

[RabidRabbit]

Honest question here as I'm trying to decipher what really is the computational difference between sagarin and massey's rankings.

Both sites have NDSU ahead of JMU in relation to the FCS schools. However, Massey lists NDSU with 22 SOS and JMU 32. Sagarin however surprised me with JMU 176 and NDSU 177 (includes FBS and FCS together).

Why does massey like NDSU's SOS so much more? I'm also shocked to see 0-8 ISU as high as 79th rank. A winless team should be among the bottom 20 at bare minimum. MVFC or not.Don't have answer for NDSU vs JMU but disagree that In St at 79 is incorrect. There are nearly 3 leagues worse than the teams ISU B lost to. So going 0-8 vs top 40, leads to a better rating than going 8-0 vs bottom 40 teams, like Pioneer teams. Example of power is Duquesne. They have won vs all played, except for getting beat like a drum vs SDSU.

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[clenz]

Explain? A bad loss to a top 5 team? Its not like Sam was blown out in that game?
The 11 point loss on it's own isn't a bad loss. I have no problems with that loss in a vacuum.

I don't vote in a vacuum.

No fault of SHSU, but UR hasn't turned out to be the win we thought it was early in the year. That hurts SHSU some.
Your performance against PVAM was atrocious. That definitely hurts in my voting method
Nicholls gives you a massive boost

Three of the last 4 weeks have hurt SHSU. They are winning, but they are playing bad teams. Winning doesn't mean staying put or moving up. Beating teams you should beat isn't impressive. Crushing teams you should beat is, and what will get you moved up.

SFA isn't a good team. It was an 11 point win, and the yardage was a big plus for SHSU but it was a 4 point game with less than 5 minutes left. SHSU couldn't put the game away. I know that is "the rivalry" so I grant leeway there. If anything that game was a net 0 result for me but closer to being a net loss.

From there you hosted Northwestern State. NWSU is terribad. That was a 4 point win. NWSU led by 10 after 1. Lead by 6 after 2. Lead by 8 after 3. It took a TD with 1:04 left to give SHSU their first lead of the game. SHSU gave up 518 yards. Gave up 7.6 YPC. I don't care that SHSU had 509 yards passing. You needed all of that because you had to throw the entire second half to get back into the game. That is a horrific game, even though you won. That is a major net loss when it comes to voting.

Lamar you crushed. You did exactly to Lamar what you should have. You still gave up 290 yards rushing and 520 yards of offense though. Lamar is also very terribad.

SELA is a below average team and you had a 10 point win and were tied at half. A win is a win, but probably shouldn't have been tied at half and just had a 10 point win over a team that is bottom half in the computers.

Looking at the Massey composite ratings for the SLC we see
MSU at 37
NSU at 39
SELA at 50
SFA at 69
ACU at 88
NWSU at 89
ICU at 109
HBU 115
Lamar at 116

Those are out of 124

That's half your conference in the bottom half of the FCS. It's over half your conference in the bottom. When that is the case you 100% need to be extra convincing. That just isn't something I've seen from SHSU this year.

I had SHSU at 12 but I really could make a case for them to be lower.

Right or wrong your conference hurts you. If you blow everyone out voters can go "Look how bad your conference is". If you struggle it's easy for voters like me to go "You need to be more convincing".

Double right or wrong it also hurts that when you get up against JMU you get treated like...well, comparisons that I'm not comfortable sharing in public.

SHSU is in a tough spot when it comes to voting. I half feel for the fans, but then I don't because the way many act.

[grayghost06]

Are the NDSU votes consistently the same voters?

Guessing there are some Soft Houston State voters amongst those 8.

[PantherRob82]

Why do some people post their vote if they aren’t willing to discuss or defend their positions? If you are just going to say “because I think they are” don’t waste anyone’s time.

[Bison56]

http://www.digitalflood.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/movin-on-up.jpg

You are annoying.

[Serpentor]

Guessing there are some Soft Houston State voters amongst those 8.

We can't all be Jam Mushingson homers...

[grayghost06]

Honest question here as I'm trying to decipher what really is the computational difference between sagarin and massey's rankings.

Both sites have NDSU ahead of JMU in relation to the FCS schools. However, Massey lists NDSU with 22 SOS and JMU 32. Sagarin however surprised me with JMU 176 and NDSU 177 (includes FBS and FCS together).

Why does massey like NDSU's SOS so much more? I'm also shocked to see 0-8 ISU as high as 79th rank. A winless team should be among the bottom 20 at bare minimum. MVFC or not.

Puzzled by that too. Not that NDSU schedule is rated higher, but just how the metrics of the ratings overall seem so different.

JMU was supposed to win by 29 (according to Sagarin) against a ranked UNH team- only won by 21 and thus dropped 6-7 spots in the Sagarins. Makes sense based on the ratings I suppose. However, in the Massey ratings, JMU moved up 15 spots by beating the same New Hampshire team. Odd

[UNIFanSince1983]

Honestly, the poll overall looks pretty good. Maybe swapping Nicholls and UNI. We do have a nice win over SDSU, but the YSU win is looking worse and worse. We couldn't have looked any more terrible against NDSU. Every good team we have played outside of SDSU has beaten us.

Just my 2 cents on that.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Puzzled by that too. Not that NDSU schedule is rated higher, but just how the metrics of the ratings overall seem so different.

JMU was supposed to win by 29 (according to Sagarin) against a ranked UNH team- only won by 21 and thus dropped 6-7 spots in the Sagarins. Makes sense based on the ratings I suppose. However, in the Massey ratings, JMU moved up 15 spots by beating the same New Hampshire team. Odd

They use different math algorithms. Sure seems strange, but clearly the algorithms value different things. And they are basically all proprietary so we can't even figure out why the act differently.

[beerkat]

The 11 point loss on it's own isn't a bad loss. I have no problems with that loss in a vacuum.

I don't vote in a vacuum.

No fault of SHSU, but UR hasn't turned out to be the win we thought it was early in the year. That hurts SHSU some.
Your performance against PVAM was atrocious. That definitely hurts in my voting method
Nicholls gives you a massive boost

Three of the last 4 weeks have hurt SHSU. They are winning, but they are playing bad teams. Winning doesn't mean staying put or moving up. Beating teams you should beat isn't impressive. Crushing teams you should beat is, and what will get you moved up.

SFA isn't a good team. It was an 11 point win, and the yardage was a big plus for SHSU but it was a 4 point game with less than 5 minutes left. SHSU couldn't put the game away. I know that is "the rivalry" so I grant leeway there. If anything that game was a net 0 result for me but closer to being a net loss.

From there you hosted Northwestern State. NWSU is terribad. That was a 4 point win. NWSU led by 10 after 1. Lead by 6 after 2. Lead by 8 after 3. It took a TD with 1:04 left to give SHSU their first lead of the game. SHSU gave up 518 yards. Gave up 7.6 YPC. I don't care that SHSU had 509 yards passing. You needed all of that because you had to throw the entire second half to get back into the game. That is a horrific game, even though you won. That is a major net loss when it comes to voting.

Lamar you crushed. You did exactly to Lamar what you should have. You still gave up 290 yards rushing and 520 yards of offense though. Lamar is also very terribad.

SELA is a below average team and you had a 10 point win and were tied at half. A win is a win, but probably shouldn't have been tied at half and just had a 10 point win over a team that is bottom half in the computers.

Looking at the Massey composite ratings for the SLC we see
MSU at 37
NSU at 39
SELA at 50
SFA at 69
ACU at 88
NWSU at 89
ICU at 109
HBU 115
Lamar at 116

Those are out of 124

That's half your conference in the bottom half of the FCS. It's over half your conference in the bottom. When that is the case you 100% need to be extra convincing. That just isn't something I've seen from SHSU this year.

I had SHSU at 12 but I really could make a case for them to be lower.

Right or wrong your conference hurts you. If you blow everyone out voters can go "Look how bad your conference is". If you struggle it's easy for voters like me to go "You need to be more convincing".

Double right or wrong it also hurts that when you get up against JMU you get treated like...well, comparisons that I'm not comfortable sharing in public.

SHSU is in a tough spot when it comes to voting. I half feel for the fans, but then I don't because the way many act.

Regarding the game vs. SELA, Kats were a very slight favorite heading into that game according the almighty Massey, they won by 10 (more than they were supposed to win by), and it is now not a good win? And if they are currently at 50 out of 124 that would make them in the top half of the computers, and still getting a few votes in this very poll.

[FurmanWins!!]

You are annoying.



Won't claim to know about you, or care xthumbsupx

[Bison56]

Won't claim to know about you, or care xthumbsupx

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[Thumper 76]

just out of curiosity, what is the breakdown of voters by conference affiliation?

Oh good, this little angle again xrolleyesx


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[Bison56]

Oh good, this little angle again xrolleyesx


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Yep

xdeadhorsex

[FurmanWins!!]

Next stop top 15, without a doubt xhighfivex

[BisonFan02]

Oh good, this little angle again xrolleyesx


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It's the same as before. Next? xlolx

[beerkat]

Oh good, this little angle again xrolleyesx


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it should be a pretty simple question to answer


Yep

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[Thumper 76]

it should be a pretty simple question to answer



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A simple search of the forum will answer the question for you. The thing is everyone knows what your dumbass is soooo subtly trying to infer. It’s already been posted this year. And debated.


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[BisonFan02]

it should be a pretty simple question to answer



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[beerkat]

A simple search of the forum will answer the question for you. The thing is everyone knows what your dumbass is soooo subtly trying to infer. It’s already been posted this year. And debated.


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please post where the breakdown is of this week's voters conference affiliation. there are old ones out there but I don't see anything regarding who voted this week. i'll hang up and listen. thanks for being kind and helpful.

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please post where the breakdown is of this week's voters conference affiliation. there are old ones out there but I don't see anything regarding who voted this week. i'll hang up and listen. thanks for being kind and helpful.

[BisonFan02]

please post where the breakdown is of this week's voters conference affiliation. there are old ones out there but I don't see anything regarding who voted this week. i'll hang up and listen. thanks for being kind and helpful.

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please post where the breakdown is of this week's voters conference affiliation. there are old ones out there but I don't see anything regarding who voted this week. i'll hang up and listen. thanks for being kind and helpful.

No.....because it is the same ****ing thing every week. In fact, many times members of their own fanbase/conference are hardest on their own teams......glance over the polls that have NDSU #1.

[Catbooster]

please post where the breakdown is of this week's voters conference affiliation. there are old ones out there but I don't see anything regarding who voted this week. i'll hang up and listen. thanks for being kind and helpful.

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please post where the breakdown is of this week's voters conference affiliation. there are old ones out there but I don't see anything regarding who voted this week. i'll hang up and listen. thanks for being kind and helpful.
It's the same as the previous breakdown from earlier this season plus and/or minus a few. I'm guessing two or three voters miss getting their ballots in on any given weekend.

[Bison56]

please post where the breakdown is of this week's voters conference affiliation. there are old ones out there but I don't see anything regarding who voted this week. i'll hang up and listen. thanks for being kind and helpful.

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please post where the breakdown is of this week's voters conference affiliation. there are old ones out there but I don't see anything regarding who voted this week. i'll hang up and listen. thanks for being kind and helpful.

You wont like what you find.

[beerkat]

It's the same as the previous breakdown from earlier this season plus and/or minus a few. I'm guessing two or three voters miss getting their ballots in on any given weekend.

Thank you kind sir. This is what I found from Week 4:

Big Sky Conference 9
Big South Conference 1
Colonial Athletic Association 21
Independent 1
Ivy League 1
Mid-Eastern Athletic conference 1
Missouri Valley Football Conference 26
Northeast Conference 1
Ohio Valley Conference 2
Patriot League 5
Pioneer Football Conference 0
Southern Conference 6
Southland Conference 5
Southwestern Athletic Conference 1

[kdinva]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Central Arkansas Bears
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Furman Paladins
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Yale Bulldogs
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Western Illinois Leathernecks
25: Grambling State Tigers



The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs

[ElCid]

please post where the breakdown is of this week's voters conference affiliation. there are old ones out there but I don't see anything regarding who voted this week. i'll hang up and listen. thanks for being kind and helpful.

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please post where the breakdown is of this week's voters conference affiliation. there are old ones out there but I don't see anything regarding who voted this week. i'll hang up and listen. thanks for being kind and helpful.

Yeah it is the same as previous. The voters do not change each week. One or two may miss an occasional vote, but they are the same. And in case you missed it, the bias has been repeatedly shown to be pretty neutral or even reverse against the voters own conference.

Old question and if folks seem short, it is because it has been discussed at length before.

[McNeese75]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Central Arkansas Bears
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Furman Paladins
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Yale Bulldogs
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Western Illinois Leathernecks
25: Grambling State Tigers



The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs

xpopcornx

[Daytripper]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Central Arkansas Bears
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Furman Paladins
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Yale Bulldogs
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Western Illinois Leathernecks
25: Grambling State Tigers



The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs

Watch out! Centennial is gonna come at you guns blazing for having SHSU at #4...... or will he? Although you should have them behind UCA no matter what....

[BisonTru]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
7: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Elon Phoenix
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Furman Paladins
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Eastern Washington Eagles
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Yale Bulldogs
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Nicholls State Colonels

BisonTru

[kdinva]

Watch out! Centennial is gonna come at you guns blazing for having SHSU at #4...... or will he? Although you should have them behind UCA no matter what....

xshhhx


To me, the main poll will be the one we do on Nov. 19th..... xcoolx

[centennial]

Watch out! Centennial is gonna come at you guns blazing for having SHSU at #4...... or will he? Although you should have them behind UCA no matter what....

I mean I made my point already, and then Clenz hit it out of the park. Nothing left to say, the vote is already made. Although with kdinva's vote NCATT is too high and NAU is too low.

[TheRealJacks]

I only respect the ASG poll and athlons power poll

[Serpentor]

I only respect the ASG poll and athlons power poll

I used to respect the North Pole, but that bastard Santa never brought me a dragon for Christmas. Life is full of disillusionment.

[Thumper 76]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/29/2017 20:13:54

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Elon Phoenix
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12: North Carolina A&T Aggies
13: Western Carolina Catamounts
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Furman Paladins
17: Western Illinois Leathernecks
18: Eastern Washington Eagles
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: Villanova Wildcats
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Nicholls State Colonels

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference



Not sure how I feel about my Poll this week


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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

And I thought last week was tough....

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11:Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12:Southern Utah Thunderbirds
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Monmouth Hawks
16: Western Illinois Leathernecks
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Furman Paladins
20: Kennesaw State Owls
21: Yale Bulldogs
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Samford Bulldogs

The Most Significant Win: Monmouth Hawks
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

[mvemjsunpx]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota St. (2)
3. Central Arkansas (3)
4. South Dakota (4)
5. Jacksonville St. (6)
6. Sam Houston St. (7)
7. Northern Arizona (8)
8. Stony Brook (10)
9. Elon (14)
10. Wofford (12)
11. South Dakota St. (25)
12. Illinois St. (NR)
13. Southern Utah (15)
14. Weber St. (16)
15. Eastern Washington (17)
16. Delaware (9)
17. Samford (11)
18. Furman (NR)
19. North Carolina A&T (20)
20. Western Illinois (5)
21. Northern Iowa (19)
22. Montana (18)
23. Western Carolina (13)
24. Richmond (22)
25. Austin Peay (NR)

W - South Dakota St.
L - Youngstown St.



Dropped - Youngstown St. (21), Nicholls St. (23), McNeese St. (24)

[Kemo]

Hello Kemo,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/29/2017 9:01:29

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Elon Phoenix
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Furman Paladins
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Western Illinois Leathernecks
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Western Carolina Catamounts
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Richmond Spiders

Kemo

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[dbackjon]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Central Arkansas Bears
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Furman Paladins
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Yale Bulldogs
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Western Illinois Leathernecks
25: Grambling State Tigers



The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs


You have Illinois State 11, yet NAU, who demolished them at 18?

[Kemo]

You have Illinois State 11, yet NAU, who demolished them at 18?
But he also has Western Illinois, who demolished NAU, at 24.

Can't go strictly by head to head at this point in the season, though I agree that NAU is too low (see my poll above).

[katss07]

Good poll overall. The top 10 is what it should be, although I think SUU is better than NAU. Solid poll, I would be happy if this is how the seeding ended up.

[UNIFanSince1983]

But he also has Western Illinois, who demolished NAU, at 24.

Can't go strictly by head to head at this point in the season, though I agree that NAU is too low (see my poll above).

The only place that it makes sense to go strictly by H2H this late is when the resumes are really similar.

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Furman Paladins
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Western Carolina Catamounts
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Richmond Spiders

Outside of NCAT, which for personal reasons as to why I have them lower than what the consensus believes, I feel very proud of my poll.

[TheKingpin28]

Are the NDSU votes consistently the same voters?

I moved them in after week 5

[dbackjon]

But he also has Western Illinois, who demolished NAU, at 24.

Can't go strictly by head to head at this point in the season, though I agree that NAU is too low (see my poll above).

You can get into circular arguments, yes, but when you have teams with identical records...also need to look at how teams are trending.

[POD Knows]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Furman Paladins
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Western Carolina Catamounts
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Richmond Spiders

Outside of NCAT, which for personal reasons as to why I have them lower than what the consensus believes, I feel very proud of my poll.No way Elon is the 6th best team in the country, no freaking way.

[WestCoastAggie]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Furman Paladins
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Western Carolina Catamounts
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Richmond Spiders

Outside of NCAT, which for personal reasons as to why I have them lower than what the consensus believes, I feel very proud of my poll.


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[TheKingpin28]

No way Elon is the 6th best team in the country, no freaking way.

As of right now, they are. So, the AGS poll has them at 7 instead of 6 and SHSU at 6 and I have them at 7.

Let's break this down:

Record Against Equal Competition:

Week 4: Elon @ Richmond 36-33
Week 1: Richmond @ SHSU AT Waco 48-34

So Elon won on the road while SHSU won at "home" and Elon faced a Richmond that had a chance to groove VS a new Richmond for SHSU, so Elon gets the nod here.

Winning Streak:

Elon W7 (Loss to 7-1 Toledo MAC #28 FBS)
SHSU W4 (Loss to 7-1 UCA SL #4 FCS)

Elon gets the nod here again.

SOS:

Elon SOS = 18
SHSU SOS = 56

Elon gets the nod here again.

FCS Record:

Elon = 7-0
SHSU= 7-1

One could argue a push so I will give it a push.

AGS T25 Record:

Elon = 4-0
SHSU = 2-1

Once again, Elon gets the nod again.

So overall, I would say Elon won 4 of the 5 main categories while they tied a 2nd category. I ask you, tell me again how Elon is not above SHSU, Wofford, SDSU, NAU, and SUU?

[POD Knows]

As of right now, they are. So, the AGS poll has them at 7 instead of 6 and SHSU at 6 and I have them at 7.

Let's break this down:

Record Against Equal Competition:

Week 4: Elon @ Richmond 36-33
Week 1: Richmond @ SHSU AT Waco 48-34

So Elon won on the road while SHSU won at "home" and Elon faced a Richmond that had a chance to groove VS a new Richmond for SHSU, so Elon gets the nod here.

Winning Streak:

Elon W7 (Loss to 7-1 Toledo MAC #28 FBS)
SHSU W4 (Loss to 7-1 UCA SL #4 FCS)

Elon gets the nod here again.

SOS:

Elon SOS = 18
SHSU SOS = 56

Elon gets the nod here again.

FCS Record:

Elon = 7-0
SHSU= 7-1

One could argue a push so I will give it a push.

AGS T25 Record:

Elon = 4-0
SHSU = 2-1

Once again, Elon gets the nod again.

So overall, I would say Elon won 4 of the 5 main categories while they tied a 2nd category. I ask you, tell me again how Elon is not above SHSU, Wofford, SDSU, NAU, and SUU?They win but just barely, a one point win over URI, 6 point win over Albany, I get it, wins are wins, they will make the playoffs and then get rolled but I expect they will only lose one conference game. JMU will need to beat them for the conference championship, at Elon, and will probably roll them by 30.

[TheKingpin28]

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I am not mad at all.

SOS: 99
Sagarin: 148 (29/41 out of teams receiving votes)
Massey: 25 (26/41 out of teams receiving votes)
T25: 0-0
D1: 7/8
Conference: MEAC
Total O: 25 (How are you not in the T5)

Should I keep going, or do you want me to continue? 22nd is more than fair/generous for what your team produced.

[TheKingpin28]

They win but just barely, a one point win over URI, 6 point win over Albany, I get it, wins are wins, they will make the playoffs and then get rolled but I expect they will only lose one conference game. JMU will need to beat them for the conference championship, at Elon, and will probably roll them by 30.

URI has been competitive in every game except Maine and Stony Brook and they were down by 2 to Maine at halftime, down by 1 score going into the 4th Q against UNH, took Central Michigan to Double OT, and even Stony Brook they were never out of it.

I am not saying JMU will not win, but give URI some credit here. They are not the worst team in the CAA and could be easily .500 if not for some dumb coaching decisions by Fleming. It looks like they turned the program around and depending on how they do against JMU, (URI that is), will decide whether or not URI is considered a bad loss.

[aceinthehole]

And I thought last week was tough....

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11:Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12:Southern Utah Thunderbirds
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Monmouth Hawks
16: Western Illinois Leathernecks
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Furman Paladins
20: Kennesaw State Owls
21: Yale Bulldogs
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Samford Bulldogs

The Most Significant Win: Monmouth Hawks
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

Really, you have the PL Champions Monmouth at #15? The only team they beat with a winning record is Hampton.

KSU and Yale at 20 and 21 respectively, and yet Duquesne is nowhere to be found.

Can you really justify the Yale selection? Please ... this whole ballot is PL/Ivy homerism at its worst!

[PantherRob82]

They win but just barely, a one point win over URI, 6 point win over Albany, I get it, wins are wins, they will make the playoffs and then get rolled but I expect they will only lose one conference game. JMU will need to beat them for the conference championship, at Elon, and will probably roll them by 30.

Might as well change their name to North Wofford.

[WestCoastAggie]

I am not mad at all.

SOS: 99
Sagarin: 148 (29/41 out of teams receiving votes)
Massey: 25 (26/41 out of teams receiving votes)
T25: 0-0
D1: 7/8
Conference: MEAC
Total O: 25 (How are you not in the T5)

Should I keep going, or do you want me to continue? 22nd is more than fair/generous for what your team produced.

I really don't care. We're 8-0 and control our destiny for the Celebration Bowl. We also have multiple players in the running for multiple post-season awards and Brandon Parker is steadily increasing his draft stock, increasing our odds of players drafted in consecutive years. We're also drawing the best recruits we've had in years.

We're good in Greensboro.

[TheKingpin28]

I really don't care. We're 8-0 and control our destiny for the Celebration Bowl. We also have multiple players in the running for multiple post-season awards and Brandon Parker is steadily increasing his draft stock, increasing our odds of players drafted in consecutive years. We're also drawing the best recruits we've had in years.

We're good in Greensboro.

If you "really don't care" why would you comment? I know why. I am one of the few who can see how mediocre NCAT actually is, and it pains you to know I won't drink the kool-aid when it comes to the MEAC and where your team should be ranked.

[Peachy Carnahan]

Wofford fans will take great offense with the "North Wofford" insult. Get ready for some very crafty "Refined Southern" responses that on the surface look like they are paying you some respect but on further recollection will reveal themselves as brutal. Wofford, Furman, Samford and Citadel grads can do this as casually as tea on the front porch.

[RootinFerDukes]

Two things that some on here don’t seem to realize.
1) sos is important, but it isn’t the only metric. Please try to come up with something else other than that. Sometimes wins are wins and losses are losses. If a team is 9-0 or 10-0, you shouldn’t be ignoring them forever.
2) stop referencing that W-L vs AGS top 25 metric if it’s referring to a record against THEN ranked teams. I don’t care that you beat #3 EWU in week 2. They’re now #15 or whatever (I didn’t look it up). You beat a top 15 team, not a top 3. Some try to argue otherwise. Nope.

[Peachy Carnahan]

If you "really don't care" why would you comment? I know why. I am one of the few who can see how mediocre NCAT actually is, and it pains you to know I won't drink the kool-aid when it comes to the MEAC and where your team should be ranked.


A&T is 8-0. As long as they keep winning and others lose, they will slowly move up the board. That is how it works.

[Catbooster]

If you "really don't care" why would you comment? I know why. I am one of the few who can see how mediocre NCAT actually is, and it pains you to know I won't drink the kool-aid when it comes to the MEAC and where your team should be ranked.
Damn! You've figured it out. He's deeply concerned with what some random stranger he'll never meet thinks his team should be ranked.


Or maybe it's a football message board so he's just talking about his football team. xdontknowx

[TheKingpin28]

Two things that some on here don’t seem to realize.
1) sos is important, but it isn’t the only metric. Please try to come up with something else other than that. Sometimes wins are wins and losses are losses. If a team is 9-0 or 10-0, you shouldn’t be ignoring them forever.
2) stop referencing that W-L vs AGS top 25 metric if it’s referring to a record against THEN ranked teams. I don’t care that you beat #3 EWU in week 2. They’re now #15 or whatever (I didn’t look it up). You beat a top 15 team, not a top 3. Some try to argue otherwise. Nope.

Cry harder. So what happens if the Pioneer, MEAC, SWAC, Patriot, and Ivy have 10-0? Should we automatically include them in the polls? You are just proving why JMU fans are big babies.

Two things that some on here don't seem to realize.
1) Slot voting is lazy voting. It is an incorrect metric. Please try to come up with something else other than that. Sometimes close wins against inferior teams are not as good as close losses against great teams. If a team is 5-3 or 6-2, you shouldn't be ignoring them forever.
2) Stop referencing things people have no argument against. It is not fair to others since they have nothing to argue against. I don't care that you beat #138 ECU in week #1. They're now 2-6 or whatever (I did look it up). You beat a top 138 team, who is worse than EWU at #129, not a top #135 team. Some try to argue otherwise. Nope.

[TheKingpin28]

A&T is 8-0. As long as they keep winning and others lose, they will slowly move up the board. That is how it works.

No it does not. That is called slot voting, and that is being lazy. You are going to tell me, that a 2 loss MVFC/CAA/SoCon team (none of the losses being bad losses) should be rated lower than them? If so, I am hoping you don't vote.


Damn! You've figured it out. He's deeply concerned with what some random stranger he'll never meet thinks his team should be ranked.


Or maybe it's a football message board so he's just talking about his football team. xdontknowx

Exactly! Now you are finally getting it. If you don't like the truth, don't come parading on here and expecting it to be all hugs and kisses. Anyone who ranks them in the top 15, has explaining to do.

[Kemo]

Damn! You've figured it out. He's deeply concerned with what some random stranger he'll never meet thinks his team should be ranked.
Clearly you are underestimating Kingpin's ability to track people down...
https://media2.giphy.com/media/eFelR3aCLO3OU/200.gif#10-grid1

[TheKingpin28]

Clearly you are underestimating Kingpin's ability to track people down...
https://media2.giphy.com/media/eFelR3aCLO3OU/200.gif#10-grid1

That was one time at band camp, and we swore we would never talk about it again.

[Peachy Carnahan]

[QUOTE=TheKingpin28;2557816]No it does not. That is called slot voting, and that is being lazy. You are going to tell me, that a 2 loss MVFC/CAA/SoCon team (none of the losses being bad losses) should be rated lower than them? If so, I am hoping you don't vote.



Not saying that slot voting is right...I should have used a sarcasm emoji...but in all seriousness, A&T is not that bad. I've seen worse examples than an 8-0 team. Slot voting is just going to happen unless you can use your considerable, non-biased influence to root out such tom foolery.

[Catbooster]

Clearly you are underestimating Kingpin's ability to track people down...
https://media2.giphy.com/media/eFelR3aCLO3OU/200.gif#10-grid1
xeekx

[Kemo]

That was one time at band camp, and we swore we would never talk about it again.
My bad. I thought we weren't supposed to talk about that "thing" you did with the tuba.

[TheKingpin28]

My bad. I thought we weren't supposed to talk about that "thing" you did with the tuba.

xshhhx

Exactly. The first rule of band camp activities, is you don't talk about band camp activities. ST_Lawson and BF02 might come creeping on to the board and give us some good stories from WAY BACK in the day. :D

[Kemo]

xshhhx

Exactly. The first rule of band camp activities, is you don't talk about band camp activities. ST_Lawson and BF02 might come creeping on to the board and give us some good stories from WAY BACK in the day. :D
Stories are fine, but pictures...
https://media3.giphy.com/media/RPxwPY5B50AmI/200w.gif#3-grid1

[TheKingpin28]

Stories are fine, but pictures...
https://media3.giphy.com/media/RPxwPY5B50AmI/200w.gif#3-grid1

Pics or it didnt happen?

[KPSUL]

xshhhx

The first rule of band camp

Band Camp? Then you should be in awe of NC A&T.

[TheKingpin28]

Band Camp? Then you should be in awe of NC A&T.

I was never in band. I was using the "band jokes" to continue cracking jokes. I play the electric, acoustic, and bass guitars. I have drummed before, but I stick to instruments I am comfortable with.

[citdog]

I was never in band. I was using the "band jokes" to continue cracking jokes. I play the electric, acoustic, and bass guitars. I have drummed before, but I stick to instruments like the skin flute I am comfortable with.
Fify

[cx500d]

As promised, here are the correct answers:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Elon Phoenix
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: North Carolina A&T Aggies
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Duquesne Dukes
18: Furman Paladins
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

cx500d

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[TheKingpin28]

As promised, here are the correct answers:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Elon Phoenix
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: North Carolina A&T Aggies
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Duquesne Dukes
18: Furman Paladins
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

cx500d

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

The ones in red I am wondering why they are in your poll and the one in green is more about positioning.

[cx500d]

The ones in red I am wondering why they are in your poll and the one in green is more about positioning.

I had a hard time finding teams that wanted to be in the 15-25 position, so I picked teams that actually have something called wins, not counting villanova which I had a hard time figuring out

[TheKingpin28]

I had a hard time finding teams that wanted to be in the 15-25 position, so I picked teams that actually have something called wins, not counting villanova which I had a hard time figuring out

I guess with Kennesaw losing to Samford should put a scare on some people. They are continuing the program, which is good, but unless they beat Monmouth, I don't see them garnering votes, which would drop Monmouth out of the pole. Duquense got destroyed by SDSU and they have 0 good wins. I hear you though with the bottom half of the poll trying to figure it out, but those caused me to raise eyebrows. Oh and Nova, yeah they have no good wins and a win against mediocre Maine.

[cx500d]

I guess with Kennesaw losing to Samford should put a scare on some people. They are continuing the program, which is good, but unless they beat Monmouth, I don't see them garnering votes, which would drop Monmouth out of the pole. Duquense got destroyed by SDSU and they have 0 good wins. I hear you though with the bottom half of the poll trying to figure it out, but those caused me to raise eyebrows. Oh and Nova, yeah they have no good wins and a win against mediocre Maine.


Well, SDSU got destroyed, Ill St got destroyed, yet there they are. One destruction is not a season done if its not in the playoffs.

[TheKingpin28]

Well, SDSU got destroyed, Ill St got destroyed, yet there they are. One destruction is not a season done if its not in the playoffs.

Yes, but those teams rebounded to win in a convincing fashion against T15 teams. I agree it does not make a season, but they played top teams whereas others did not.

[Hammersmith]

Honest question here as I'm trying to decipher what really is the computational difference between sagarin and massey's rankings.

Both sites have NDSU ahead of JMU in relation to the FCS schools. However, Massey lists NDSU with 22 SOS and JMU 32. Sagarin however surprised me with JMU 176 and NDSU 177 (includes FBS and FCS together).

Why does massey like NDSU's SOS so much more? I'm also shocked to see 0-8 ISU as high as 79th rank. A winless team should be among the bottom 20 at bare minimum. MVFC or not.

I'm not an expert, but I'm a bit better than a layman and I'll try to explain.

First off, get it out of your head that the Sagarin/Massey rating is influenced by the SOS. The SOS in these systems is calculated as the final step, AFTER the ratings have been computed. So many seem to think that the SOS comes early in the process and influences the final rating. The reality is completely the opposite.

As for the differences between Massey and Sagarin...

Sagarin seems to put more emphasis on the margin of victory, while Massey seems to put more emphasis on the W/L outcome of games. Massey used to be 100% W/L based back in the BCS days(margin of victory was not allowed to be considered by the BCS), but I don't believe that's true anymore. Still, the two systems calculate things differently. Once that is done, only then is SOS calculated for everyone.

One thing people might want to look at is the RECENT column in Sagarin. In this column, Sag weights the more recent games more heavily than the early-season games. For instance, YSU is ranked 96 overall in the composite ranking, but 125 in the RECENT calculation. On the flip side, NDSU benefits in the RECENT column due to the harder games over the last few weeks. NDSU is 43 overall right now, but 31 in the RECENT.

[Hammersmith]

Puzzled by that too. Not that NDSU schedule is rated higher, but just how the metrics of the ratings overall seem so different.

JMU was supposed to win by 29 (according to Sagarin) against a ranked UNH team- only won by 21 and thus dropped 6-7 spots in the Sagarins. Makes sense based on the ratings I suppose. However, in the Massey ratings, JMU moved up 15 spots by beating the same New Hampshire team. Odd

Also realize that teams don't exist in a bubble. Let's look at the JMU example you brought up. JMU was at 72.61 last week. I'm going to assume you used the home field advantage correct when computing the 29pt MOV prediction. Now I don't know the exact numbers, but Sagarin views different margins of victory differently. For example, anything within about 6pts either way is considered a wash. If you are predicted to win by 24 but only win by 20, it will barely move the needle. It will move a little more out to about +/-14. Beyond that, the needle moves a lot more. Winning by 20 beyond the prediction is going to move the needle a lot. But things slow down again way out at the far end. Beating the prediction by 70 is not that much different than beating the prediction by 80.

Back to JMU vs UNH again. If Sagarin predicted a win by 29 and the actual win was by 21, then you've got a differential of -8. That will bump you down a little, but not much. JMU was 72.61 last week, and 72.18 this week. A 0.43pt is really minor. But add to that what your previous opponents did as well. If all your previous opponents under-performed, then your team is going to take a hit from that. If they all over-performed, the you'll see a bump.

As far as dropping 6-7 spots, you really shouldn't look at it that way. Even if your rating stays the same, your position on the chart can change due to what the teams around you are doing. JMU could have gone from 72.61 to 72.60 but still dropped in the ranking if a few teams just below improved their scores. The teams in Sagarin are packed so close together by rating, that tiny changes can move teams around.

[ElCid]

Puzzled by that too. Not that NDSU schedule is rated higher, but just how the metrics of the ratings overall seem so different.

JMU was supposed to win by 29 (according to Sagarin) against a ranked UNH team- only won by 21 and thus dropped 6-7 spots in the Sagarins. Makes sense based on the ratings I suppose. However, in the Massey ratings, JMU moved up 15 spots by beating the same New Hampshire team. Odd

I will add my 2 cents as well. Massey and Sagarin also compute games against Div II and lower differently. The fact that JMU and NH have not played them doesn't matter because they are tied to teams who have. Sagarin has been doing some new things lately but I don't believe they even factor any sub-Div I results in still. Their new predictions do, but not the ratings. It wouldn't be enough to move the needle big time, but added to the other reasons, it would still contibute to the discrepancy.

[TheKingpin28]

Bump for the FCS Top 10.

Excellent work team. We were off by 9 and 10 but this is why we have the best poll in all of college football.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Bump for the FCS Top 10.

Excellent work team. We were off by 9 and 10 but this is why we have the best poll in all of college football.

We were not off. They just mixed that up but it is arguable. Remember, we don't get it wrong, sometimes the committee just misses on one of the picks a bit...which means they do a pretty damn good job.:D

[TheKingpin28]

We were not off. They just mixed that up but it is arguable. Remember, we don't get it wrong, sometimes the committee just misses on one of the picks a bit...which means they do a pretty damn good job.:D

You are right. My mistake.

I honestly would not be surprised if they copied this poll and then changed 9 and 10 so that the NCAA would not "plagerize" our work.

[BisonFan02]

We were not off. They just mixed that up but it is arguable. Remember, we don't get it wrong, sometimes the committee just misses on one of the picks a bit...which means they do a pretty damn good job.:D

They've got a few weeks to fix it. xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

You are right. My mistake.

I honestly would not be surprised if they copied this poll and then changed 9 and 10 so that the NCAA would not "plagerize" our work.

I don't know that I can go that far with the thing. I do remember last years SC poll was not similar at first but did come around over the next few weeks and to be honest I and all of us would be honored if our opinions on the matter....mattered to them so if they do stop by I welcome their views and respect the depth of their research on this task.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

BTW, did I miss the STATS Poll completely this week or was it not posted here? If it was not posted that is a dereliction of duty my our membership.

I'm probably just not seeing it.

[TheKingpin28]

BTW, did I miss the STATS Poll completely this week or was it not posted here? If it was not posted that is a dereliction of duty my our membership.

I'm probably just not seeing it.



1
James Madison (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0196) (8-0)
4044 (156)
1


2
North Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0309) (8-0)
3894 (6)
2


3
Jacksonville State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0247) (7-1)
3682
3


4
Central Arkansas (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0268) (7-1)
3572
4


5
Sam Houston State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0184) (7-1)
3360
5


6
South Dakota (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0311) (7-1)
3107
6


7
Elon (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0350) (7-1)
2840
10


8
Wofford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0267) (7-1)
2817
8


9
North Carolina A&T (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0148) (8-0)
2788
7


10
South Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0312) (6-2)
2721
11


11
Eastern Washington (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0113) (5-3)
2118
14


12
Illinois State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0121) (6-2)
2098
16


13
Grambling State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0189) (7-1)
1771
15


14
Stony Brook (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0629) (6-2)
1592
22


15
Western Illinois (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0126) (5-3)
1539
12


16
Samford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0218) (5-3)
1441
9


17
Southern Utah (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0111) (6-2)
1246
25


18
Northern Arizona (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0118) (6-2)
1134
NR


19
Weber State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0119) (6-2)
1072
NR


20
Villanova (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0199) (4-4)
989
13


21
New Hampshire (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0205) (5-3)
964
17


22
McNeese (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0180) (6-2)
571
20


23
Furman (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0174) (6-3)
565
NR


24
Western Carolina (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0179) (6-3)
551
18


25
Kennesaw State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2610) (7-1)
391
NR



I don't see it either but here it is.

[TheKingpin28]

I don't know that I can go that far with the thing. I do remember last years SC poll was not similar at first but did come around over the next few weeks and to be honest I and all of us would be honored if our opinions on the matter....mattered to them so if they do stop by I welcome their views and respect the depth of their research on this task.

I would be completely honored if they used it. I was being more sarcastic in how it would be ironic if a "college association" used our work and did not cite it. But as I said, I would be more than grateful if we found out that they used this poll.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I would be completely honored if they used it. I was being more sarcastic in how it would be ironic if a "college association" used our work and did not cite it. But as I said, I would be more than grateful if we found out that they used this poll.

Gotcha. Just didn't want someone reading it to think "holy ****, these SOB's are full of it!" xlolx

They would have been correct, just don't want em' thinking it.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

1
James Madison (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0196) (8-0)
4044 (156)
1


2
North Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0309) (8-0)
3894 (6)
2


3
Jacksonville State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0247) (7-1)
3682
3


4
Central Arkansas (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0268) (7-1)
3572
4


5
Sam Houston State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0184) (7-1)
3360
5


6
South Dakota (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0311) (7-1)
3107
6


7
Elon (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0350) (7-1)
2840
10


8
Wofford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0267) (7-1)
2817
8


9
North Carolina A&T (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0148) (8-0)
2788
7


10
South Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0312) (6-2)
2721
11


11
Eastern Washington (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0113) (5-3)
2118
14


12
Illinois State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0121) (6-2)
2098
16


13
Grambling State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0189) (7-1)
1771
15


14
Stony Brook (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0629) (6-2)
1592
22


15
Western Illinois (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0126) (5-3)
1539
12


16
Samford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0218) (5-3)
1441
9


17
Southern Utah (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0111) (6-2)
1246
25


18
Northern Arizona (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0118) (6-2)
1134
NR


19
Weber State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0119) (6-2)
1072
NR


20
Villanova (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0199) (4-4)
989
13


21
New Hampshire (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0205) (5-3)
964
17


22
McNeese (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0180) (6-2)
571
20


23
Furman (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0174) (6-3)
565
NR


24
Western Carolina (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0179) (6-3)
551
18


25
Kennesaw State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2610) (7-1)
391
NR



I don't see it either but here it is.

That is amazing. I can't think of a week that has ever went by that poll, or it predecessor was not posted up here. I think we failed to do our job on that one.

[Daytripper]

1
James Madison (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0196) (8-0)
4044 (156)
1


2
North Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0309) (8-0)
3894 (6)
2


3
Jacksonville State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0247) (7-1)
3682
3


4
Central Arkansas (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0268) (7-1)
3572
4


5
Sam Houston State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0184) (7-1)
3360
5


6
South Dakota (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0311) (7-1)
3107
6


7
Elon (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0350) (7-1)
2840
10


8
Wofford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0267) (7-1)
2817
8


9
North Carolina A&T (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0148) (8-0)
2788
7


10
South Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0312) (6-2)
2721
11


11
Eastern Washington (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0113) (5-3)
2118
14


12
Illinois State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0121) (6-2)
2098
16


13
Grambling State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0189) (7-1)
1771
15


14
Stony Brook (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0629) (6-2)
1592
22


15
Western Illinois (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0126) (5-3)
1539
12


16
Samford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0218) (5-3)
1441
9


17
Southern Utah (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0111) (6-2)
1246
25


18
Northern Arizona (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0118) (6-2)
1134
NR


19
Weber State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0119) (6-2)
1072
NR


20
Villanova (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0199) (4-4)
989
13


21
New Hampshire (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0205) (5-3)
964
17


22
McNeese (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0180) (6-2)
571
20


23
Furman (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0174) (6-3)
565
NR


24
Western Carolina (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0179) (6-3)
551
18


25
Kennesaw State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2610) (7-1)
391
NR



I don't see it either but here it is.

Lord, that is just hot garbage...

[TheKingpin28]

Lord, that is just hot garbage...

Where does one even start with this though?