AGS Poll Results - Week 5 - 10/02/2017

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AGS Poll Results - Week 5 - 10/02/2017



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
James Madison Dukes
2043
75
1


2
North Dakota State Bison
1974
7
2


3
Youngstown State Penguins
1825

6


4
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1747

5


5
South Dakota Coyotes
1695

7


6
Wofford Terriers
1526

8


7
Central Arkansas Bears
1520

12


8
Illinois State Redbirds
1414

10


9
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1408

3


10
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1284

4


11
Eastern Washington Eagles
1179

13


12
Western Illinois Leathernecks
1088

9


13
Weber State Wildcats
924

17


14
Villanova Wildcats
921

14


15
Elon Phoenix
858

21


16
New Hampshire Wildcats
853

15


17
North Carolina A&T Aggies
737

18


18
Stony Brook Seawolves
583

22


19
Richmond Spiders
543

19


20
Western Carolina Catamounts
518

24


21
The Citadel Bulldogs
498

11


22
Samford Bulldogs
472

26


23
Albany Great Danes
374

16


24
McNeese State Cowboys
150

34


25
Maine Black Bears
59

27

















ORV:





26
Northern Iowa Panthers
49

40


27
Grambling State Tigers
40

32


28
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
39

31


29
Dartmouth Big Green
38

NR


30
Yale Bulldogs
35

39


31
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
33

20


32
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
29

NR


33
Montana Grizzlies
26

NR


34
Montana State Bobcats
25

23


35
Saint Francis Red Flash
24

NR


36
Austin Peay Governors
22

NR


37
Nicholls State Colonels
21

38


38
UC Davis Aggies
15

NR


39
Monmouth Hawks
13

NR


40
North Carolina Central Eagles
12

NR










Most Significant Win:
Central Arkansas Bears






Most Significant Loss:
Sam Houston State Bearkats



























Fell Out Of Poll:






Chattanooga Mocs






Holy Cross Crusaders






North Dakota Fighting Hawks






Pennsylvania Quakers






Princeton Tigers






Southern Illinois Salukis






Tennessee State Tigers






William & Mary Tribe








SHSU beat The Citadel by one vote in the MSL category this week.

[citdog]

Drop 13 spots for a road conference loss to a Top 25 team. SDSU drops 5 for the same. Seems legit

[Professor Chaos]

The Wedge blog post for this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-top-25-week-1-results-2/

Some thoughts:


El Cid ranked above Samford? Come on voters... we're better than that.
8(!) of 12 CAA teams ranked and only 2 of 13 Big Sky teams ranked.
Maine with only 59 points is about the weakest #25 team I can ever recall seeing. With 82 ballots cast it's very clear the consensus is there really isn't a #25 team this week.

[JSUSoutherner]

Drop 13 spots for a road conference loss to a Top 25 team. SDSU drops 5 for the same. Seems legit

SDSU didn't look like Sam Houston State in Harrisonburg for 3 quarters.

The team that beat them also didn't struggle with West Alabama and Kennesaw State.

[Professor Chaos]

Drop 13 spots for a road conference loss to a Top 25 team. SDSU drops 5 for the same. Seems legit
The Citadel lost to the #22 team... SDSU lost to the #3 team. It's not too tough to fathom.

[citdog]

The Citadel lost to the #22 team... SDSU lost to the #3 team. It's not too tough to fathom.

It's not?

[centennial]

Drop 13 spots for a road conference loss to a Top 25 team. SDSU drops 5 for the same. Seems legit

There is a difference between 2 Top 10 teams playing each other vs losing badly to barely a Top 25 team.

[dbackjon]

Not really sure why Maine would get votes at all. Without the cancelled game, they'd be 1-3.

NAU is 2-2, with two FCS wins, a loss to a decent P5, and to a ranked FCS team.

[Bison56]

Drop 13 spots for a road conference loss to a Top 25 team. SDSU drops 5 for the same. Seems legit

Losing to a top 5 team is not the same as losing to a bottom 5.

[Professor Chaos]

It's not?
No it isn't. When you put up a better fight (12 point loss) on the road at the #3 team you're not going to be judged as harshly as a team that lost on the road to at the #22 team by 21.

And The Citadel only dropped 10 spots... not 13.

[citdog]

Ah yes let the MVFC bias run through you....


WIU dropped 5 as well with a Conference HOME loss....

[ElonFirefighter]

Drop 13 spots for a road conference loss to a Top 25 team. SDSU drops 5 for the same. Seems legit

Well we have to add the Citdog factor in there. Thats worth at least -5 spots. ;)

[Professor Chaos]

Here's my stab at it:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Sam Houston State Bearkats
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Western Carolina Catamounts
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Richmond Spiders
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Dartmouth Big Green
24: The Citadel Bulldogs
25: McNeese State Cowboys

[Bison56]

Ah yes let the MVFC bias run through you....


WIU dropped 5 as well with a Conference HOME loss....
26210

[RootinFerDukes]

Maine with only 59 points is about the weakest #25 team I can ever recall seeing. With 82 ballots cast it's very clear the consensus is there really isn't a #25 team this week.



With a team entering the rankings off of a bye and a 1-2 record through five weeks, it had to have been a weak field of options. The same happened with SIU entering off of a loss last week. Not enough teams want to be ranked apparently.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Ah yes let the MVFC bias run through you....


WIU dropped 5 as well with a Conference HOME loss....

I don't think I've got the MVFC bias and your argument seems to have some holes in it to me as well. The Citadel is just having some trouble right now due to perceived (don't know if legit or not) strength considering their schedule. Then losing to Samford like that has a bigger effect that it might have.

If you think it's an MVFC bias thing I could probably go grab just the SoCon votes and see what that looks like for you.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Central Arkansas Bears
6: Wofford Terriers
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: North Carolina A&T Aggies
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Elon Phoenix
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Dartmouth Big Green
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Saint Francis Red Flash
25: Richmond Spiders

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[UNIFanSince1983]

Drop 13 spots for a road conference loss to a Top 25 team. SDSU drops 5 for the same. Seems legit

Who dropped 13 spots after a loss to a ranked team? Looks to me like The Citadel dropped 10 spots after a loss to a team that was unranked at the time they played.

[Thumper 76]

Ah yes let the MVFC bias run through you....


WIU dropped 5 as well with a Conference HOME loss....

Citadel isn’t that good. Sorry. I watched them. They aren’t. Don’t bitch at us for their performance.

That being said anybody who has SDSU in their top ten should have their voting privileges revoked. Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you people.


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[Professor Chaos]

With a team entering the rankings off of a bye and a 1-2 record through five weeks, it had to have been a weak field of options. The same happened with SIU entering off of a loss last week. Not enough teams want to be ranked apparently.
Yep, I thought SIU was a weak #25 last week and they had 104 points. For comparison Maine's 59 points would've placed them no higher than #30 in any of the previous 5 AGS polls this year.

[Thumper 76]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2017 15:06:42

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Central Arkansas Bears
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Western Illinois Leathernecks
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Western Carolina Catamounts
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: The Citadel Bulldogs
25: Saint Francis Red Flash

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference



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[Evolution Prime]

I offer mine up for criticism and laughter.

1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota State (2)
3. Youngstown State (4)
4. Jacksonville State (5)
5. South Dakota (8)
6. Eastern Washington (10)
7. Illinois State (11)
8. Wofford (12)
9. Central Arkansas (13)
10. Villanova (16)
11. Western Illinois (9)
12. Elon (17)
13. Richmond (18)
14. South Dakota State (3)
15. Sam Houston State (6)
16. Weber State (20)
17. New Hampshire (21)
18. Western Carolina (23)
19. Samford (24)
20. The Citadel (7)
21. North Carolina A&T (22)
22. Stony Brook (25)
23. McNeese State (NR)
24. Albany (15)
25. Austin Peay (NR)

Significant Win: Youngstown State
Significant Loss: South Dakota State

[UNIFanSince1983]

Ah yes let the MVFC bias run through you....


WIU dropped 5 as well with a Conference HOME loss....

Neither WIU or SDSU got thrashed by 28 points. There are some differences. Sure there is a little MVFC bias, but The Citadel dropping is entirely on them. And Samford is nowhere near the level of USD or YSU.

[KPSUL]

I thought Youngstown State would win MSW by a landslide. I guess I wasn't as surprised by the Central Arkansas win as I was the Youngstown State. And when all things are said and done this season, I think the Youngstown State win will have had bigger implications.

[SU DOG]

SDSU didn't look like Sam Houston State in Harrisonburg for 3 quarters.

The team that beat them also didn't struggle with West Alabama and Kennesaw State.

If you had been at those 2 games, with an unbiased perspective, you probably would not have gotten the feeling that Samford would lose either one. Taking the spread of a win can sometimes put one on a slippery slope. Would you compare your UTC score with Western and say that the Catamounts would beat JSU fairly badly? samford is also the team that scored more points on UGA than their 2 SEC opponents combined. LOL!

[RootinFerDukes]

I thought Youngstown State would win MSW by a landslide. I guess I wasn't as surprised by the Central Arkansas win as I was the Youngstown State. And when all things are said and done this season, I think the Youngstown State win will have had bigger implications.

That's likely true but the SHSU/UCA game is really the SLC championship game each season and it also meant a playoff seed was on the line for the winner.

[Thumper 76]

I offer mine up for criticism and laughter.

1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota State (2)
3. Youngstown State (4)
4. Jacksonville State (5)
5. South Dakota (8)
6. Eastern Washington (10)
7. Illinois State (11)
8. Wofford (12)
9. Central Arkansas (13)
10. Villanova (16)
11. Western Illinois (9)
12. Elon (17)
13. Richmond (18)
14. South Dakota State (3)
15. Sam Houston State (6)
16. Weber State (20)
17. New Hampshire (21)
18. Western Carolina (23)
19. Samford (24)
20. The Citadel (7)
21. North Carolina A&T (22)
22. Stony Brook (25)
23. McNeese State (NR)
24. Albany (15)
25. Austin Peay (NR)

Significant Win: Youngstown State
Significant Loss: South Dakota State

Only things I see that bother me is EWU and Nova are way too high.


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[Professor Chaos]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2017 15:06:42

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Central Arkansas Bears
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Western Illinois Leathernecks
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Western Carolina Catamounts
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: The Citadel Bulldogs
25: Saint Francis Red Flash

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference



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I know you claim you don't sandbag but you're being way too hard on your Jackrabbits. They lost by 12 on the road to your #3 and you dropped them all the way to #18 but Sam Houston lost by 11 on the road to your #5 and they still hang in at #10?

[Evolution Prime]

I thought Youngstown State would win MSW by a landslide. I guess I wasn't as surprised by the Central Arkansas win as I was the Youngstown State. And when all things are said and done this season, I think the Youngstown State win will have had bigger implications.

For me it showed that YSU didn't have the big dropoff as most thought and is a legit contender. It looks like they have a decent offense to go with a outstanding defense.

That game also showed that SDSU is a pretender. Defense is soft. We seem to not use our weapons as we should. We can't pick the right RB. And if I see a RB draw from the shotgun on our own 1 yard one more time, I am punting the nearest inanimate object next to me. I would rather see the return of our "Flash" package before that.

[BisonBacker]

Hello BisonBacker,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2017 20:32:23

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Wofford Terriers
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: The Citadel Bulldogs
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Richmond Spiders
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Elon Phoenix
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Nicholls State Colonels

[BisonBacker]

I know you claim you don't sandbag but you're being way too hard on your Jackrabbits. They lost by 12 on the road to your #3 and you dropped them all the way to #18 but Sam Houston lost by 11 on the road to your #5 and they still hang in at #10?

He's big time sandbagging xnodx

[citdog]

I don't think I've got the MVFC bias and your argument seems to have some holes in it to me as well. The Citadel is just having some trouble right now due to perceived (don't know if legit or not) strength considering their schedule. Then losing to Samford like that has a bigger effect that it might have.

If you think it's an MVFC bias thing I could probably go grab just the SoCon votes and see what that looks like for you.

The Citadel played its worst half of football since we watched that Chatty game at the Press Box. They then had every chance to make it a one score game in the 2nd half. One bad half on the road against a Top 25 team and you drop 10 spots?

[Catamount87]

Drop 13 spots for a road conference loss to a Top 25 team. SDSU drops 5 for the same. Seems legit

Look no further than The Citadel's results, D-1 games only, a 41 point win over 2-3 Presbyterian(who barely beat an NAIA team), a 6 point win over 2-3 ETSU and a 21 point loss to a ranked 3-2 Samford.

[WileECoyote06]

For me it showed that YSU didn't have the big dropoff as most thought and is a legit contender. It looks like they have a decent offense to go with a outstanding defense.


This is where I am with it. But then again I never had Youngstown ranked lower than SDSU.

[citdog]

Look no further than The Citadel's results, D-1 games only, a 41 point win over 2-3 Presbyterian(who barely beat an NAIA team), a 6 point win over 2-3 ETSU and a 21 point loss to a ranked 3-2 Samford.

We beat PC by more than Woffy did. You shouldn't be poopoing Samford as it is your BEST win because they beat The Citadel...

[PantherRob82]

Hello PantherRob82,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2017 14:34:14

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Wofford Terriers
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Elon Phoenix
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Western Carolina Catamounts
21: Montana State Bobcats
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

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[KPSUL]

Not really sure why Maine would get votes at all. Without the cancelled game, they'd be 1-3.

NAU is 2-2, with two FCS wins, a loss to a decent P5, and to a ranked FCS team.

I stopped ranking Maine last week, but you can't assume a team would have another loss when a game has been cancelled.

[clenz]

Also, anyone who wants to claim MVFC bias, I can tell you that isn't the case based on the texts that the "circle of influence" shares.

Saturday night and yesterday was 100% nothing but how garbage our teams are - JSUSoutherner can back us up on that as he'd been adopted as an unofficial member.

[TheRevSFA]

Also, anyone who wants to claim MVFC bias, I can tell you that isn't the case based on the texts that the "circle of influence" shares.

Saturday night and yesterday was 100% nothing but how garbage our teams are - JSUSoutherner can back us up on that as he'd been adopted as an unofficial member.

You picked that guy over the Rev?

I would have too

[Daytripper]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: Wofford Terriers
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Western Carolina Catamounts
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

Daytripper

[citdog]

Also, anyone who wants to claim MVFC bias, I can tell you that isn't the case based on the texts that the "circle of influence" shares.

Saturday night and yesterday was 100% nothing but how garbage our teams are - JSUSoutherner can back us up on that as he'd been adopted as an unofficial member.


Only in the MVFC can anyone get whipped like SDSU did and the final score be 19-7.

[Mayville Bison]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Elon Phoenix
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Richmond Spiders
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: McNeese State Cowboys

[JSUSoutherner]

Also, anyone who wants to claim MVFC bias, I can tell you that isn't the case based on the texts that the "circle of influence" shares.

Saturday night and yesterday was 100% nothing but how garbage our teams are - JSUSoutherner can back us up on that as he'd been adopted as an unofficial member.
Yeah, y'alls teams suck. :D

[KPSUL]

Citadel isn’t that good. Sorry. I watched them. They aren’t. Don’t bitch at us for their performance.

That being said anybody who has SDSU in their top ten should have their voting privileges revoked. Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you people.


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Maybe, but #18 in this field is also way to low for SDSU.

[clenz]

You picked that guy over the Rev?

I would have too
You're too wholesome of a fellow to be involved with us.

[jmu007]

I tried... I would've rather just stopped my poll at 22 this week.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Elon Phoenix
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: The Citadel Bulldogs
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: Albany Great Danes
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Monmouth Hawks

jmu007

The Most Significant Win: Youngstown State Penguins
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats

[dustinthorn93]

If I voted I would have it something like this.

1. James Madison Dukes
2. North Dakota State Bison
3. Youngstown State Penguins
4. Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5. Central Arkansas Bears
6. South Dakota Coyotes
7. South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8. Wofford Terriers
9. Sam Houston State Bearkats
10. Illinois State Redbirds
11. Eastern Washington Eagles
12. Western Illinois Leathernecks
13. New Hampshire Wildcats
14. Elon Phoenix
15. Villanova Wildcats
16. Richmond Spiders
17. North Carolina A&T Aggies
18. Western Carolina Catamounts
19. Samford Bulldogs
20. The Citadel Bulldogs
21. Austin Peay Governors
22. Montana State Bobcats
23. Northern Iowa Panthers
24. McNeese State Cowboys
25. Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

Not the greatest, but decent I think.

[Mayville Bison]

Hello BisonBacker,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2017 20:32:23

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Wofford Terriers
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: The Citadel Bulldogs
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Richmond Spiders
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Elon Phoenix
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Nicholls State Colonels

I think you have the two South Dakota schools mixed up.

[clenz]

Yeah, y'alls teams suck. :D
FWIW, UNI comes in at #26 and I did not vote for them.

MVFC bias and what not

[Professor Chaos]

I tried... I would've rather just stopped my poll at 22 this week.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Elon Phoenix
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: The Citadel Bulldogs
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: Albany Great Danes
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Monmouth Hawks

jmu007

The Most Significant Win: Youngstown State Penguins
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Even though your number #23 team stomped your #18 team?

[TheRevSFA]

You're too wholesome of a fellow to be involved with us.

I think that's the first time I've been called wholesome....ever.

[TheRevSFA]

I had El Cid at 15....but I honestly felt like I was elevating them too much.

[JSUSoutherner]

Fight me.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Western Carolina Catamounts
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: The Citadel Bulldogs
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: McNeese State Cowboys

JSUSoutherner

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference

[Daytripper]

Hello BisonBacker,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2017 20:32:23

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Wofford Terriers
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: The Citadel Bulldogs
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Richmond Spiders
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Elon Phoenix
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Nicholls State Colonels

You are a secret Southland Conference fan.....admit it...xthumbsupx

[dustinthorn93]

If I voted I would have it something like this.

1. James Madison Dukes
2. North Dakota State Bison
3. Youngstown State Penguins
4. Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5. Central Arkansas Bears
6. South Dakota Coyotes
7. South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8. Wofford Terriers
9. Sam Houston State Bearkats
10. Illinois State Redbirds
11. Eastern Washington Eagles
12. Western Illinois Leathernecks
13. New Hampshire Wildcats
14. Elon Phoenix
15. Villanova Wildcats
16. Richmond Spiders
17. North Carolina A&T Aggies
18. Western Carolina Catamounts
19. Samford Bulldogs
20. The Citadel Bulldogs
21. Austin Peay Governors
22. Montana State Bobcats
23. Northern Iowa Panthers
24. McNeese State Cowboys
25. Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

Not the greatest, but decent I think.

Whoops, accidentally omitted Weber State. They would be at 18 and everyone else would move down 1 spot. Still new to this haha

[jmu007]

Even though your number #23 team stomped your #18 team?


I think I ran into the trap of not knowing just how far to drop them. I probably had them too high going into last week. I didn't have Samford ranked going into last week either which led to where they ended up for me. I've been struggling with 15-25 all year it feels like.

[citdog]

Even though your number #23 team stomped your #18 team?

I think we have a different understanding of what the word stomp means. Spotting a team 35pts and then shutting them out in the second half whilst being stopped on 4th down twice inside that teams 16 yard line in the late 3rd and early 4th doesn't qualify.

[Yotes21]

He's big time sandbagging xnodx

Agreed. It is near impossible to go undefeated in the MVFC unless your name is Da Bizun. I like seeing SDSU lose more than most, but even if they are underperforming up to this point I don't see 17 teams better than them. Hopefully I am wrong.

[Thumper 76]

I know you claim you don't sandbag but you're being way too hard on your Jackrabbits. They lost by 12 on the road to your #3 and you dropped them all the way to #18 but Sam Houston lost by 11 on the road to your #5 and they still hang in at #10?


He's big time sandbagging xnodx

No. That team I watched doesn’t deserve to be a top ten team for sure, really a top 13-15 team. Add to it their best win took another hit by having MSU drop their game vs Weber, you get their ranking.


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[Professor Chaos]

I think I ran into the trap of not knowing just how far to drop them. I probably had them too high going into last week. I didn't have Samford ranked going into last week either which led to where they ended up for me.
Each voter has different strategies but it's still really early in the season to get too caught up with where teams were last week in your ballot IMO. Pretty much every week there's a team or two that I realize I should've had higher/lower based on the poll discussion and I adjust them regardless of what they do that next week.

I feel like falling into the not wanting to drop or move teams up too much in the early season polls is why the STATS and Coaches polls get so out of whack by mid and late season.

[citdog]

Fight me.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Western Carolina Catamounts
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: The Citadel Bulldogs
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: McNeese State Cowboys

JSUSoutherner

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference


It would take too long...

[Professor Chaos]

I think we have a different understanding of what the word stomp means. Spotting a team 35pts and then shutting them out in the second half whilst being stopped on 4th down twice inside that teams 16 yard line in the late 3rd and early 4th doesn't qualify.
Kinda like how RMU spotted NDSU 56 points in the first 35 minutes of their game and then held the Bison scoreless for the last 25 minutes?

[jmu007]

Each voter has different strategies but it's still really early in the season to get too caught up with where teams were last week in your ballot IMO. Pretty much every week there's a team or two that I realize I should've had higher/lower based on the poll discussion and I adjust them regardless of what they do that next week.

I feel like falling into the not wanting to drop or move teams up too much in the early season polls is why the STATS and Coaches polls get so out of whack by mid and late season.

Fair points. I may do a clean re-look this weekend with JMU on a bye week and more time to sit down and dive into some of those lower ranked teams.

[kdinva]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: The Citadel Bulldogs
15: Elon Phoenix
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: Western Carolina Catamounts
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Albany Great Danes
24: Grambling State Tigers
25: Northern Iowa Panthers


The Most Significant Win: Western Carolina Catamounts
The Most Significant Loss: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[Thumper 76]

[B]7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

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[ST_Lawson]

Fight me.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Western Carolina Catamounts
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: The Citadel Bulldogs
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: McNeese State Cowboys

JSUSoutherner

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference


WIU not even in your top 25?...damn dude...that's cold.

[ST_Lawson]

Kinda like how RMU spotted NDSU 56 points in the first 35 minutes of their game and then held the Bison scoreless for the last 25 minutes?

Fixed it for ya:

Kinda like how RMU spotted NDSU 56 points in the first 35 minutes of their game and then held the Bison 3rd string, a few male cheerleaders, and a couple of random large drunk men that never made it out of the tailgate area scoreless for the last 25 minutes?

[UNIFanSince1983]

WIU not even in your top 25?...damn dude...that's cold.

If you guys joined the OVC he would have ranked you.

[citdog]

Kinda like how RMU spotted NDSU 56 points in the first 35 minutes of their game and then held the Bison scoreless for the last 25 minutes?

Yep. JUST like that except minus the two plays that kept it from being a one score game with about 8mins to play part.

[KPSUL]

If I voted I would have it something like this.

1. James Madison Dukes
2. North Dakota State Bison
3. Youngstown State Penguins
4. Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5. Central Arkansas Bears
6. South Dakota Coyotes
7. South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8. Wofford Terriers
9. Sam Houston State Bearkats
10. Illinois State Redbirds
11. Eastern Washington Eagles
12. Western Illinois Leathernecks
13. New Hampshire Wildcats
14. Elon Phoenix
15. Villanova Wildcats
16. Richmond Spiders
17. North Carolina A&T Aggies
18. Western Carolina Catamounts
19. Samford Bulldogs
20. The Citadel Bulldogs
21. Austin Peay Governors
22. Montana State Bobcats
23. Northern Iowa Panthers
24. McNeese State Cowboys
25. Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

Not the greatest, but decent I think.

The only thing I'd seriously question is having Montana State with a 1-3 record in there . Other rankings I might personally question are within the realm of reasonable.

[SU DOG]

I think we have a different understanding of what the word stomp means. Spotting a team 35pts and then shutting them out in the second half whilst being stopped on 4th down twice inside that teams 16 yard line in the late 3rd and early 4th doesn't qualify.

I think we are a better team than The Citadel, and we played conservatively in the 2nd half. I know that The Citadel does not accept excuses nor do they make excuses. Having said that, however, those guys have been distracted recently by a hurricane, travel issues, and the tragic loss of a former teammate. I am NOT taking anything away from our kids and the fine game they played. What I'm saying is that The Citadel is a much better team than what you might think from watching them Saturday.

[JSUSoutherner]

WIU not even in your top 25?...damn dude...that's cold.
S***. I don't know how I missed you guys. I think when I went to check I saw WCU and thought it was you guys. I'd put you guys right between EWU and WCU.

[PantherRob82]

No. That team I watched doesn’t deserve to be a top ten team for sure, really a top 13-15 team. Add to it their best win took another hit by having MSU drop their game vs Weber, you get their ranking.


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how much does the Montana State win drop when Weber was higher ranked and expected to win? It's not like they got Citadel'd.

[dewey]

Citdog please post your top 25 poll for the rest of us to see.

Dewey

[TheRevSFA]

S***. I don't know how I missed you guys. I think when I went to check I saw WCU and thought it was you guys. I'd put you guys right between EWU and WCU.

Yet you merit the circle of influence xnodx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The Citadel played its worst half of football since we watched that Chatty game at the Press Box. They then had every chance to make it a one score game in the 2nd half. One bad half on the road against a Top 25 team and you drop 10 spots?

I've seen teams win and lose a spot or two so no I do not think this is that out of line considering they were not a top 25 in this poll and thus the mindset of this groups voters. Also they dropped a nearly equal amount if we look at only SoCon voters so this was just not a good loss in many people's minds. I know you don't like it but that doesn't mean it is an incorrect assessment. If The Citadel did just have a bad 1/2 and I trust your judgment on that then they will get better going forward and will reclaim their rightful plkace.

With everything happening right now it is just murky and dynamic in the lower 10 spots and I think we all would agree they are in that range at this time.

[KPSUL]

Yep. JUST like that except minus the two plays that kept it from being a one score game with about 8mins to play part.

Your arguments on The Citadel ranking Week 5 are as thin as the ice on Lake Moultrie in February, as empty as a West Point Plebe's head the first day of Beast Barracks, as solid as New Hampshire's "Old Man in The Mountain".

[Daytripper]

Yet you merit the circle of influence xnodx


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[JSUSoutherner]

Citdog please post your top 25 poll for the rest of us to see.

Dewey

1. The Citadel
2. Robert E. Lee
3.-25. Bunch a damn Yankees.

Significant Win: The South
Siginicant Loss: Furman

[Daytripper]

1. The Citadel
2. Robert E. Lee
3.-25. Bunch a damn Yankees.

Significant Win: The South
Siginicant Loss: Furman

Perfect.

[ST_Lawson]

S***. I don't know how I missed you guys. I think when I went to check I saw WCU and thought it was you guys. I'd put you guys right between EWU and WCU.

I figured...no problem. Enough others who were on the ball to have us about where we belonged. We're both purple and gold Western something Universities.
Just don't forget us next week or I will have to fight you...

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Unless we get curbstomped by UNI...in which case...feel free to forget us.

[dewey]

Here is my top 25. Fire away.

Hello dewey,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2017 21:08:37

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Central Arkansas Bears
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Western Illinois Leathernecks
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Elon Phoenix
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Western Carolina Catamounts
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Montana State Bobcats
25: Montana Grizzlies

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[citdog]

1. The Citadel
2. Robert E. Lee
3.-25. Bunch a damn Yankees.

Significant Win: The South
Siginicant Loss: Furman

Pretty close

[citdog]

Your arguments on The Citadel ranking Week 5 are as thin as the ice on Lake Moultrie in February, as empty as a West Point Plebe's head the first day of Beast Barracks, as solid as New Hampshire's "Old Man in The Mountain".

You SURE use your mouth pretty!

[BisonBacker]

I think you have the two South Dakota schools mixed up.


Nope

[Professor]

1. The Citadel
2. Robert E. Lee
3.-25. Bunch a damn Yankees.

Significant Win: The South
Siginicant Loss: Furman

Bwhahahahaha

[POD Knows]

Here it is and as per usual, this is the benchmark that all others should be measured against.

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2017 8:34:09

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: The Citadel Bulldogs
19: Elon Phoenix
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Western Carolina Catamounts
25: McNeese State Cowboys

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Mayville Bison]

Nope

Care to explain then? I know Sagarin isn't the end-all-be-all, but USD's opponents are rated higher, they went on the road 3 times already (compared to SDSU's 2), and most importantly they are undefeated against the schedule (compared to SDSU's 1 loss). I'm genuinely curious to know why you put them higher.

SDSU's opponents sagarin rankings
Duquesne 38.34 (200)
Montana State 52.74 (135)
Drake 27.08 (232)
Youngstown 67.77 (72)
Average 46.48 (160)

USD's opponents sagarin rankings
Drake 27.08 (232)
Bowling Green 51.30 (142)
North Dakota 48.39 (161)
Western Illinois 63.50 (90)
Average 47.57 (156)

[BisonTru]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Western Illinois Leathernecks
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Sam Houston State Bearkats
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Elon Phoenix
17: Western Carolina Catamounts
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: UC Davis Aggies
25: Nicholls State Colonels

I don't know why I have Montana that high. Massey likes them and had them up 8 spots and by that time in my poll that was enough. I really don't know what happened from 19-25. I blacked out and take no responsibility for any of those. xthumbsupx

[BisonBacker]

Care to explain then? I know Sagarin isn't the end-all-be-all, but USD's opponents are rated higher, they went on the road 3 times already (compared to SDSU's 2), and most importantly they are undefeated against the schedule (compared to SDSU's 1 loss). I'm genuinely curious to know why you put them higher.

SDSU's opponents sagarin rankings
Duquesne 38.34 (200)
Montana State 52.74 (135)
Drake 27.08 (232)
Youngstown 67.77 (72)
Average 46.48 (160)

USD's opponents sagarin rankings
Drake 27.08 (232)
Bowling Green 51.30 (142)
North Dakota 48.39 (161)
Western Illinois 63.50 (90)
Average 47.57 (156)


The first three games for USD were against Garbage competition. History has been on SDSU's side in DI and that in my opinion counts for something. Western Illinois up to this point in my mind is the only quality win. Sagarin is crap. USD has to show me more in the MVFC meat grinder. Oh and lastly it's not like I don't have them ranked let alone in the top ten. But for you to say they belong above SDSU is a matter of opinion. The MVFC will bear out who deserves to be ranked higher. At this point in time one loss to a top 5 team by SDSU doesn't merit a huge drop in the poll.

[POD Knows]

WIU not even in your top 25?...damn dude...that's cold.These people need to review their polls before pulling the trigger, I bet there is a half dozen or so on here already that have had omissions or mixed up a school, i.e. USD or SDSU.

[POD Knows]

S***. I don't know how I missed you guys. I think when I went to check I saw WCU and thought it was you guys. I'd put you guys right between EWU and WCU.Damn it, get your **** together.

[POD Knows]

Yet you merit the circle of influence xnodxIf the Three Stooges and Laurel and Hardy had a club, it would be the Circle of Influence

[Mayville Bison]

The first three games for USD were against Garbage competition. History has been on SDSU's side in DI and that in my opinion counts for something. Western Illinois up to this point in my mind is the only quality win. Sagarin is crap. USD has to show me more in the MVFC meat grinder. Oh and lastly it's not like I don't have them ranked let alone in the top ten. But for you to say they belong above SDSU is a matter of opinion. The MVFC will bear out who deserves to be ranked higher. At this point in time one loss to a top 5 team by SDSU doesn't merit a huge drop in the poll.

So are we voting on this year or not? Because if we are, USD belongs in the top 5. If we aren't, USD should be given extra consideration for the whooping they put on the defending co-champ from the Big Sky. I'll agree with you that Sagarin is crap if you look at it as a stand-alone number, but I know you're smarter than that. If going on the road against a top 15 team and winning isn't enough to overcome a loss (all else being equal), I don't know what more USD can do throughout the year for you.

You're definitely entitled to your own opinion even if it's wrong.

[mvemjsunpx]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota St. (2)
3. South Dakota (6)
4. Central Arkansas (7)
5. Youngstown St. (8)
6. Western Illinois (3)
7. Sam Houston St. (5)
8. South Dakota St. (4)
9. Jacksonville St. (9)
10. Stony Brook (10)
11. Weber St. (11)
12. Eastern Washington (12)
13. Elon (16)
14. Western Carolina (NR)
15. Illinois St. (20)
16. Samford (NR)
17. Wofford (15)
18. Richmond (17)
19. North Carolina A&T (19)
20. Albany (18)
21. Villanova (21)
22. New Hampshire (NR)
23. Northern Arizona (NR)
24. Nicholls St. (23)
25. McNeese St. (24)

W - Central Arkansas
L - Tennessee-Chattanooga



Dropped - The Citadel (13), Tennessee-Martin (14), Tennessee-Chattanooga (22), Montana St. (25)

[BisonTru]

but I know you're smarter than that.

Please provide evidence. :Dxdrunkyx

[Mayville Bison]

Please provide evidence. :Dxdrunkyx

Got me there haha

[Catbooster]

No. That team I watched doesn’t deserve to be a top ten team for sure, really a top 13-15 team. Add to it their best win took another hit by having MSU drop their game vs Weber, you get their ranking.


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Maybe you just have Weber ranked too low. ;)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

These people need to review their polls before pulling the trigger, I bet there is a half dozen or so on here already that have had omissions or mixed up a school, i.e. USD or SDSU.

I mentioned this last week, I'll do it again here. Voters not even looking at their ballots when they get them back is fairly unforgivable if you ask me and I have caught a lot of people doing this lately. It sort of pisses me off to be honest.

When you get your ballot back you have got to do your part and open the god damn thing up and look at it...in doing so you should probably compare it to Supe's how they fared list and see if you have left anyone out.

I was able to catch two while moving current ballots over to users historical sheets but I can not catch every miss because I do not have time to get all voters ballots moved over to their history sheets by the time voting ends.

Hell, I've got people not even replying to the emails I send to them by the time voting ends. Not gonna lie, it is getting under my skin pretty good at this point.

[BisonBacker]

So are we voting on this year or not? Because if we are, USD belongs in the top 5. If we aren't, USD should be given extra consideration for the whooping they put on the defending co-champ from the Big Sky. I'll agree with you that Sagarin is crap if you look at it as a stand-alone number, but I know you're smarter than that. If going on the road against a top 15 team and winning isn't enough to overcome a loss (all else being equal), I don't know what more USD can do throughout the year for you.

You're definitely entitled to your own opinion even if it's wrong.

To each his own. I'll put my money on SDSU in the end. Now if USD proves me wrong at the end of the year so be it. That's why we have the poll for peoples opinions. You want to bag on SDSU yet look at the USD schedule other than Western.

[BisonBacker]

Please provide evidence. :Dxdrunkyx X

[BisonTru]

This is rich coming from the villiage idiot!

You're wonderful with humor. xdrunkyx

[ElCid]

I mentioned this last week, I'll do it again here. Voters not even looking at their ballots when they get them back in fairly unforgiveable if you ask me and I have caught a lot of people doing this lately. It sort of pisses me off to be honest.

When you get your ballot back you have got to do your part and open the god damn thing up and look at it...in doing so you should probably compare it to Supe's how they fared list and see if you have left anyone out.

I was able to catch two while moving current ballots over to users historical sheets but I can not catch every miss because I do not have time to get all voters ballots moved over to their history sheets by the time voting ends.

Hell, I've got people not even replying to the emails I send to them by the time voting ends. Not gonna lie, it is getting under my skin pretty good at this point.

I guess I am just old fashion. I have my own spread sheet that has my previous poll on it. Do,t need to be testing my memory.
It is kind of like Sups. 25 teams plus about 10 teams to watch. I change this each week as well. I just drag the previous teams over where I see them being. No way to miss anyone. I suggest people use a spreadsheet of some sort. Good way to sanity check it as well. It is the responsible way to do it.

[Evolution Prime]

I guess I am just old fashion. I have my own spread sheet that has my previous poll on it. Do,t need to be testing my memory.
It is kind of like Sups. 25 teams plus about 10 teams to watch. I change this each week as well. I just drag the previous teams over where I see them being. No way to miss anyone. I suggest people use a spreadsheet of some sort. Good way to sanity check it as well. It is the responsible way to do it.

Exactly what I use. I would probably be lost with out it.

[RabidRabbit]

Hello RabidRabbit,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2017 6:18:43

Your vote is listed below.*


1:*James Madison Dukes
2:*North Dakota State Bison
3:*Youngstown State Penguins
4:*South Dakota Coyotes
5:*Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6:*Illinois State Redbirds
7:*Wofford Terriers
8:*Central Arkansas Bears
9:*Elon Phoenix
10:*Weber State Wildcats
11:*Western Illinois Leathernecks
12:*South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13:*Sam Houston State Bearkats
14:*New Hampshire Wildcats
15:*Villanova Wildcats
16:*Stony Brook Seawolves
17:*Eastern Washington Eagles
18:*North Carolina A&T Aggies
19:*Richmond Spiders
20:*Dartmouth Big Green
21:*Western Carolina Catamounts
22:*Samford Bulldogs
23:*The Citadel Bulldogs
24:*Albany Great Danes
25:*Saint Francis Red Flash

RabidRabbit*

The Most Significant Win:*Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss:*South Dakota State Jackrabbits

Fixed missing JSU Gamecocks from last week. The 3 undefeated MVFC teams plus the shutdown Penguins are top 10 until some defeats start happening. Both WIU and SDSU didn't get blown out, hence 11-12. Elon's looking at a possible best in CAA, IF can take down JMU, which appears unlikely. Weber St is quietly setting itself up to be the Big sky champ, against team seemed to righting ship. But for now, best in WEST. Dartmouth is undefeated, see if they stay that way. Sorry Big south, Patriot, NEC, Pioneer, very few teams showed well through to this point. Congrats to UCA, maybe there are teams other than SHSU in Southland worthy.

Ok guys, time to treat this Rabbit like dogs do stuffed animals. :eek: :cool:

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[BisonTru]

I guess I am just old fashion. I have my own spread sheet that has my previous poll on it. Do,t need to be testing my memory.
It is kind of like Sups. 25 teams plus about 10 teams to watch. I change this each week as well. I just drag the previous teams over where I see them being. No way to miss anyone. I suggest people use a spreadsheet of some sort. Good way to sanity check it as well. It is the responsible way to do it.

Google sheets is really easy. This is all I do. Nothing fancy but it works.




1
James Madison
James Madison
James Madison
James Madison
James Madison


2
North Dakota St
South Dakota St
North Dakota St
North Dakota St
North Dakota St


3
South Dakota St
North Dakota St
South Dakota St
South Dakota St
Youngstown St


4
Eastern Washington
Jacksonville St
Jacksonville St
Jacksonville St
Jacksonville St


5
Wofford
Eastern Washington
Youngstown St
Sam Houston St
South Dakota


6
Richmond
Youngstown St
Sam Houston St
Western Ill
Eastern Wash


7
Jacksonville St
Sam Houston St
New Hampshire
Youngstown St
Central Ark


8
Youngstown St
Wofford
North Dakota
Eastern Wash
Wofford


9
Sam Houston St
Richmond
Richmond
South Dakota
Western Ill


10
Villanova
Villanova
Wofford
Central Ark
South Dakota St


11
UND
UND
Western Ill
Wofford
Weber St


12
Central Ark
Central Ark
Villanova
Illinois St
Illinois St


13
New Hampshire
New Hampshire
Eastern Washington
Albany
Sam Houston St


14
Charleston S
Western Ill
Central Ark
Weber St
Stony Brook


15
Samford
Charleston S
South Dakota
Tenn Martin
Villanova


16
The Citadel
Illinois St
Charleston S
Montana St
Elon


17
Chattanooga
Lehigh
Illinois St
The Citadel
Western Carolina



18
Illinois St
Samford
Southern Utah
Villanova
New Hapshire


19
Lehigh
The Citadel
The Citadel
New Hampshire
Montana


20
San Diego
Chattanooga
Weber St
Stony Brook
Albany


21
Western Ill
Weber St
Maine
Maine
Northern Ariz


22
Weber St
St Francis
Colgate
Elon
Samford


23
St. Francis
Colgate
Nichols St
S Illioios
NC A&T


24
Maine
Portland St
Monmouth
NC A&T
UC Davis


25
Albany
Maine
St Francis
Princeton
Nichols St




*I missed one week in there.

[ST_Lawson]

Damn it, get your **** together.

It's all cool...this ain't the end of the season and we ain't pickin' playoff spots yet.

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[Catbooster]

I guess I am just old fashion. I have my own spread sheet that has my previous poll on it. Do,t need to be testing my memory.
It is kind of like Sups. 25 teams plus about 10 teams to watch. I change this each week as well. I just drag the previous teams over where I see them being. No way to miss anyone. I suggest people use a spreadsheet of some sort. Good way to sanity check it as well. It is the responsible way to do it.
Same here - the only time I type in a new team or delete one is when I add or drop them to my watch list. When I move teams around, I drag them to the side while I move teams around. That way I never forget a team because they are sitting there in the adjacent column.

[RabidRabbit]

S***. I don't know how I missed you guys. I think when I went to check I saw WCU and thought it was you guys. I'd put you guys right between EWU and WCU.

Reminds me of a Fervent Rabbit who forgot a Cocky team last week....

Back in at

[POD Knows]

I guess I am just old fashion. I have my own spread sheet that has my previous poll on it. Do,t need to be testing my memory.
It is kind of like Sups. 25 teams plus about 10 teams to watch. I change this each week as well. I just drag the previous teams over where I see them being. No way to miss anyone. I suggest people use a spreadsheet of some sort. Good way to sanity check it as well. It is the responsible way to do it.Yea, I just download and modify the Supe spreadsheet and create extra columns and cut and paste the teams to the slots that I want. I keep my previous poll as a reference. I got burned in this poll right when I first started sending it in, I put "North Dakota" in the poll twice, Ursus caught and we fixed it.

[ElCid]

Google sheets is really easy. This is all I do. Nothing fancy but it works.

*I missed one week in there.

Whatever works. I keep an excel file where I have all scores and ranks, highlighted good/bad wins/losses, and both sag and Massey SOS. I should use Sups but I have mine set up like I like it so I keep using it.

[JSUSoutherner]

Reminds me of a Fervent Rabbit who forgot a Cocky team last week....

Back in at

I only say something because I'd want someone to call me out if I make a dumb error too.

[BisonFan02]

You picked that guy over the Rev?

I would have too

I want the Rev in.

[clenz]

I want the Rev in.
We will need to vote on this one.

We didn't vote on Southerner. One of our affiliate members just added him.

People forget that the circle of influence is actually a line. It's you and me. We let Thumper and IBY in as affiliate members. IBY decided that Southerner was now an affiliate.

We need to straw poll this in snap chat

Before we decide.

Rev, do you chat the snap?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I guess I am just old fashion. I have my own spread sheet that has my previous poll on it. Do,t need to be testing my memory.
It is kind of like Sups. 25 teams plus about 10 teams to watch. I change this each week as well. I just drag the previous teams over where I see them being. No way to miss anyone. I suggest people use a spreadsheet of some sort. Good way to sanity check it as well. It is the responsible way to do it.

Yes, a spreadsheet is an extremely simple answer that alleviates many problems. But even using this one needs to look at their ballot when sent back and compare to their sheet.

[BisonFan02]

We will need to vote on this one.

We didn't vote on Southerner. One of our affiliate members just added him.

People forget that the circle of influence is actually a line. It's you and me. We let Thumper and IBY in as affiliate members. IBY decided that Southerner was now an affiliate.

We need to straw poll this in snap chat

Before we decide.

Rev, do you chat the snap?

**** that. Affiliate members can add affiliates but not actual members can? :D Add his ass. xlolx

Run Rev!............Run as fast as you can! :D

[clenz]

We have voted.

You're in.

Check your PMs

[clenz]

If the Three Stooges and Laurel and Hardy had a club, it would be the Circle of Influence
This is extremely accurate

[BisonFan02]

This sucks.....


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Elon Phoenix
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: The Citadel Bulldogs
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Yale Bulldogs
25: Saint Francis Red Flash

BisonFan02

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs

[TheRevSFA]

**** that. Affiliate members can add affiliates but not actual members can? :D Add his ass. xlolx

Run Rev!............Run as fast as you can! :D

And now...my impersonation of Jesse Owens.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

We ain't' doing your little jerk off group in here boys so gtfo with that **** right now.

[BisonFan02]

We ain't' doing your little jerk off group in here boys so gtfo with that **** right now.

Agree.....my bad.

[TheRevSFA]

We ain't' doing your little jerk off group in here boys so gtfo with that **** right now.

To be fair, it's more amusing than Cit complaining about The Citadel's ranking...

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Agree.....my bad.

...and CLENZ' xlolx

[clenz]

...and CLENZ' xlolx
Sorry sir.

[Hambone]

Hello Hambone,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/2/2017 9:03:33

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: Richmond Spiders
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Albany Great Danes
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Western Carolina Catamounts
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: The Citadel Bulldogs
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: Maine Black Bears

Hambone

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[POD Knows]

This sucks.....


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Elon Phoenix
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: The Citadel Bulldogs
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Yale Bulldogs
25: Saint Francis Red Flash

BisonFan02

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel BulldogsI thought you weren't going to put any Ivy's in your poll?

[BisonFan02]

I thought you weren't going to put any Ivy's in your poll?

I probably tried not to.... xlolx

[TheKingpin28]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Wofford Terriers
11: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Elon Phoenix
14: Albany Great Danes
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Western Carolina Catamounts
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: The Citadel Bulldogs
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Montana Grizzlies

Fire away boys.

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[McNeese72]

To all you guys voting McNeese in the top 25. We served up a game to Nicholls on a silver platter the first game and we haven't beat anybody worth a damn since. What the hell are you guys thinking????

Doc

[cx500d]

Here is the truth data:
1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Elon Phoenix
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: Western Carolina Catamounts
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Eastern Washington Eagles
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: The Citadel Bulldogs
23: UC Davis Aggies
24: Saint Francis Red Flash
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

cx500d

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[nevadagriz]

The only thing I'd seriously question is having Montana State with a 1-3 record in there . Other rankings I might personally question are within the realm of reasonable.
Thank you! Their only win is against the most beat up team in america. Never seen a team get so much respect for "close" loses. SMDH

[BisonBacker]

You're wonderful with humor. xdrunkyx

You caught me on a bad day.

[Catbooster]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Wofford Terriers
11: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Elon Phoenix
14: Albany Great Danes
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Western Carolina Catamounts
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: The Citadel Bulldogs
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Montana Grizzlies

Fire away boys.

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Did you decide to add the Grizzlies because of SOS increase since Valpo beat Stetson this weekend? It should be a decent increase since that gives a combined total of 1 D-I win for all of the teams they've beat. xcoffeex

[POD Knows]

Did you decide to add the Grizzlies because of SOS increase since Valpo beat Stetson this weekend? It should be a decent increase since that gives a combined total of 1 D-I win for all of the teams they've beat. xcoffeexAgree, neither Montana or Montana State deserve to be in the top 25.

[dbackjon]

...and CLENZ' xlolx

why do you persecute the UNI and SFA and NDSU fans so much. Next thing you know they will complain about you on Panther/Jack/BisonTalk

[Catbooster]

Agree, neither Montana or Montana State deserve to be in the top 25.

xthumbsupx

[Daytripper]

To all you guys voting McNeese in the top 25. We served up a game to Nicholls on a silver platter the first game and we haven't beat anybody worth a damn since. What the hell are you guys thinking????

Doc

Conference Strength of Schedule.....xcoffeex

[nevadagriz]

Did you decide to add the Grizzlies because of SOS increase since Valpo beat Stetson this weekend? It should be a decent increase since that gives a combined total of 1 D-I win for all of the teams they've beat. xcoffeex
Do you think the cats deserve that spot for their close losses?? Your SDSU loss is not looking as good now.

Griz should maybe crack top 25 if they win next week. It would give them 4 fcs victories and losses to Wash and EWU.

[TheKingpin28]

Did you decide to add the Grizzlies because of SOS increase since Valpo beat Stetson this weekend? It should be a decent increase since that gives a combined total of 1 D-I win for all of the teams they've beat. xcoffeex


Agree, neither Montana or Montana State deserve to be in the top 25.

The sad thing is that I had to fill out 25 teams, there is no reason for 25 teams to be ranked, and at least Montana's loss to EWU is starting to look better. No Ivy team is worthy right now (pretty obvious), the MEAC and SWAC will get no love from me except NCAT until they lose and then I can get rid of them (they took their football and left), UNI looks bad and so does SIU, UTM lost to AP (I thought about AP, but one more win and they are in), NAU is hot and cold and Cookus needs to actually play a full season before they get love from me, and in comes UM.

[Catbooster]

Do you think the cats deserve that spot for their close losses?? Your SDSU loss is not looking as good now.

Griz should maybe crack top 25 if they win next week. It would give them 4 fcs victories and losses to Wash and EWU.
Nope. I don't think either team belongs in the poll right now, and I'm surprised anyone does.

[McCowboys]

We will need to vote on this one.

We didn't vote on Southerner. One of our affiliate members just added him.

People forget that the circle of influence is actually a line. It's you and me. We let Thumper and IBY in as affiliate members. IBY decided that Southerner was now an affiliate.

We need to straw poll this in snap chat

Before we decide.

Rev, do you chat the snap?

Well, there goes the neighborhood!

[McCowboys]

Is that most annoying fan base poll still open somewhere? I want to change my vote!

[Grizalltheway]

Nope. I don't think either team belongs in the poll right now, and I'm surprised anyone does.
How about if the Griz have a convincing win in Pocatello?

[Catbooster]

How about if the Griz have a convincing win in Pocatello?
Maybe? I'm not yet convinced Idaho State is a powerhouse, so while it certainly helps, it won't vault you over a bunch of teams that are currently ahead of you IMO. It would depend on what happens with a bunch of other teams.

[Serpentor]

Is that most annoying fan base poll still open somewhere? I want to change my vote!

Hey, we earned that fair and square!

[PantherRob82]

I don't understand the hating on Montana State. No one wants to be ranked. If I think SDSU and Weber State are Top 15 teams, seems like Montana State could be the 25th best team based on their play in those games.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

why do you persecute the UNI and SFA and NDSU fans so much. Next thing you know they will complain about you on Panther/Jack/BisonTalk

I need more articles dude.xthumbsupx

[citdog]

I don't understand the hating on Montana State. No one wants to be ranked. If I think SDSU and Weber State are Top 15 teams, seems like Montana State could be the 25th best team based on their play in those games.

Says the guy who dropped a team 15 spots for losing a conference road game....

[POD Knows]

How about if the Griz have a convincing win in Pocatello?I might give them a look for the top 25 if that happened.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Do you think the cats deserve that spot for their close losses?? Your SDSU loss is not looking as good now.

Griz should maybe crack top 25 if they win next week. It would give them 4 fcs victories and losses to Wash and EWU.

Our defense is able to do just barely enough to get us a win this last week and it is a major problem if you ask me and what is gonna keep us from being a top 25 team. I hope things can get better but I don't know if that win would pushus in or not...but I don't think we are even with that win.

But, there are a lot of teams that probably are not Top 25 and are in right now as well so who knows.

[PantherRob82]

Says the guy who dropped a team 15 spots for losing a conference road game....

Says the guys who dropped an inflated team who hadn't done much after they got their heads kicked in on the road. Good for you that they took their foot off your Bulldogs' throat. You can be in the Top 15 early in the year without proving much, but not after an asskicking like that. You're lucky enough teams wanted out of consideration or I would have dropped them out completely. You say it's a bad half, I say you got exposed.

[citdog]

Says the guys who dropped an inflated team who hadn't done much after they got their heads kicked in on the road. Good for you that they took their foot off your Bulldogs' throat. You can be in the Top 15 early in the year without proving much, but not after an asskicking like that. You're lucky enough teams wanted out of consideration or I would have dropped them out completely. You say it's a bad half, I say you got exposed.

It's good for everyone that your opinion is JUST that...

[PantherRob82]

It's good for everyone that your opinion is JUST that...
Judging by your drop in the poll it is an opinion held by many others. The East Tennessee State game was your mulligan. You want respect for your team, they'll have to earn it.

[Catbooster]

I don't understand the hating on Montana State. No one wants to be ranked. If I think SDSU and Weber State are Top 15 teams, seems like Montana State could be the 25th best team based on their play in those games.
We did get in the bottom of the poll when we won, but then lost again (to a good team - Weber) and dropped off. I think your argument is reasonable, but couldn't justify ranking a team with only 1 win so MSU dropped off my poll. If they are as good as I hope, they'll get back on. They had a tough early schedule and are young. I think they'll improve. There's enough time left in the season.

[Catbooster]

I need more articles dude.xthumbsupx
Attention whore xcoffeex

[citdog]

Judging by your drop in the poll it is an opinion held by many others. The East Tennessee State game was your mulligan. You want respect for your team, they'll have to earn it.

Yep. Road conference wins are SO easy to come by. Hell MVFC teams only drop 5 spots for a HOME conference loss...

[BucBisonAtLarge]

My ballot this week:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Central Arkansas Bears
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Western Illinois Leathernecks
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Yale Bulldogs
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Western Carolina Catamounts
25: McNeese State Cowboyshttps://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif

[mmiller_34]

Drop 13 spots for a road conference loss to a Top 25 team. SDSU drops 5 for the same. Seems legit

I dropped SDSU 10 places for what it's worth.

[caribbeanhen]

I thought all those squashings would of drained of some of the spider love chemistry by now

[cx500d]

I thought all those squashings would of drained of some of the spider love chemistry by now
They weren't in mine....

[Professor Chaos]

Yep. Road conference wins are SO easy to come by. Hell MVFC teams only drop 5 spots for a HOME conference loss...
3 spots for a home conference loss. 5 spots for a road conference loss. Get your **** together!

SIU dropped 15+ spots for a home conference loss. They should be pissed! If they were in the SOCON they'd still be in the ORV I bet....

[mmiller_34]

I know you claim you don't sandbag but you're being way too hard on your Jackrabbits. They lost by 12 on the road to your #3 and you dropped them all the way to #18 but Sam Houston lost by 11 on the road to your #5 and they still hang in at #10?

We are the Chattanooga of the MVFC. Thumper isn't too hard on SDSU. We're just not a top 10 team. SDSU hasn't played like it all year.

[Professor Chaos]

We are the Chattanooga of the MVFC. Thumper isn't too hard on SDSU. We're just not a top 10 team. SDSU hasn't played like it all year.
I'm fine with that but he only dropped SHSU half as much for a similar loss. So he's either being too easy on SHSU or too tough on SDSU IMO. And I think it's the latter.

[RootinFerDukes]

Thank you! Their only win is against the most beat up team in america. Never seen a team get so much respect for "close" loses. SMDH

There’s a subculture of posters in here who believe in ranking teams based on their moral victories. They say they’re “not slot voting” as their excuse.

[TheKingpin28]

There’s a subculture of posters in here who believe in ranking teams based on their moral victories. They say they’re “not slot voting” as their excuse.

So an 11-0 Pioneer team is better than a 9-2 MVFC or CAA team? Yeah ok, you keep slot voting and we will keep the poll honest.

[caribbeanhen]

So JMU beats Sammy by 58 points and struggles against an unranked Delaware blue hen team

Why should I believe this poll?

[PantherRob82]

Yep. Road conference wins are SO easy to come by. Hell MVFC teams only drop 5 spots for a HOME conference loss...

Apples and oranges. The Citadel got destroyed by a team that was not in my poll. Western Illinois narrowly lost to a team that was relatively close to them in my poll. Home field advantage didn't lose the game for The Citadel.

[TheKingpin28]

So JMU beats Sammy by 58 points and struggles against an unranked Delaware blue hen team

Why should I believe this poll?

2016 VS 2017

Really? Now you're just trolling for responses.

[PantherRob82]

There’s a subculture of posters in here who believe in ranking teams based on their moral victories. They say they’re “not slot voting” as their excuse.
We believe in ranking the best 25 teams. xrolleyesx

[mmiller_34]

There’s a subculture of posters in here who believe in ranking teams based on their moral victories. They say they’re “not slot voting” as their excuse.

I think this is true. Maybe we need a class for the voters.

I havent voted for Montana State, Northern Iowa, or Southern Illinois in a poll yet.

[RootinFerDukes]

So an 11-0 Pioneer team is better than a 9-2 MVFC or CAA team? Yeah ok, you keep slot voting and we will keep the poll honest.

I have zero ranked pioneer teams. Thank you. No I just understand that championships aren’t won with moral victories and if you want to be ranked, you have to win more often then not.

[TheKingpin28]

I think this is true. Maybe we need a class for the voters.

I havent voted for Montana State, Northern Iowa, or Southern Illinois in a poll yet.

Same could be said the other way around. Don't be lazy and slot vote. It's not that hard. If you can back up why you vote the way you do and are consistent in the judgement, people will be willing to be more likely to accept it. To slot vote since one team won and the other loss, without looking at the circumstances surrounding it, is being like STATS and the "Coaches" Poll.

[RootinFerDukes]

So JMU beats Sammy by 58 points and struggles against an unranked Delaware blue hen team

Why should I believe this poll?

It’s seven games later, a season later and seniors graduated and players get injured? We also didn’t play shsu in a wind tunnel.

[mmiller_34]

Same could be said the other way around. Don't be lazy and slot vote. It's not that hard. If you can back up why you vote the way you do and are consistent in the judgement, people will be willing to be more likely to accept it. To slot vote since one team won and the other loss, without looking at the circumstances surrounding it, is being like STATS and the "Coaches" Poll.

Yep. That's why I said maybe we need a class. I know that Ursus has tried to hand out a spreadsheet voting system for people the past couple years. I have about 2 or 3 spreadsheets Up when I vote, a lot of the longtime voters I know do the same.

[PantherRob82]

I have zero ranked pioneer teams. Thank you. No I just understand that championships aren’t won with moral victories and if you want to be ranked, you have to win more often then not.

Who is claiming moral victories? Not every team can be undefeated. They lost by single digits to #9 and and #13. Their other loss is an FBS opponent. They beat their other FCS opponent by 28. What about them makes them so terrible to you? If they lose to Portland State they are out. If they win they sry about the same and move onto their game against Eastern Washington. It's a poll of the best 25 teams with moving pieces. Polls don't start to stabilize for another week or two.

[TheKingpin28]

I have zero ranked pioneer teams. Thank you. No I just understand that championships aren’t won with moral victories and if you want to be ranked, you have to win more often then not.

You completely missed the point of the argument.

So based off the following stats, who would deserve a higher spot in your opinion. This is from 2016


Team A:

-8-3 regular season
-2 Top 25 wins
-1 FBS loss (team ended up with a winning record)
-2 losses to top 10 teams were both on the road
-Team went unranked into the playoffs

Team B:

-10-1 regular season
-1 Top 5
-1 Top 25 win
-1 FBS loss (team ended up with a winning record)
-Team went ranked into the playoffs

Now, based off your algorithm, team B would have the higher seed and ranking due to slot voting and record. What if I told you Team B could not win their 1st game and Team A went on to playing for a championship?

[TheKingpin28]

Yep. That's why I said maybe we need a class. I know that Ursus has tried to hand out a spreadsheet voting system for people the past couple years. I have about 2 or 3 spreadsheets Up when I vote, a lot of the longtime voters I know do the same.

I keep up a few different screens and look at past weeks as to where I have had teams: why I dropped them, raised them, or kept them the same (a small sentence or 2 write up to help refresh my memory in case I forget), Supe's spreadsheet and Massey/Sagarin to help with voting.

[KPSUL]

You completely missed the point of the argument.

So based off the following stats, who would deserve a higher spot in your opinion. This is from 2016




If you ask a question to a fellow voter you should let him answer it - not a good idea to put the words in his mouth, or on the page for him.

[RootinFerDukes]

You completely missed the point of the argument.

So based off the following stats, who would deserve a higher spot in your opinion. This is from 2016


Team A:

-8-3 regular season
-2 Top 25 wins
-1 FBS loss (team ended up with a winning record)
-2 losses to top 10 teams were both on the road
-Team went unranked into the playoffs

Team B:

-10-1 regular season
-1 Top 5
-1 Top 25 win
-1 FBS loss (team ended up with a winning record)
-Team went ranked into the playoffs

Now, based off your algorithm, team B would have the higher seed and ranking due to slot voting and record. What if I told you Team B could not win their 1st game and Team A went on to playing for a championship?

Telling me what teams A and B eventually did in the future isn’t important when I’m ranking them today. Today, team B looks better, assuming their conferences were comparable.
Seeds get upset in the 2nd round every year, usually at least one. That doesn’t mean team A is more deserving of the higher ranking today. Team A needs to win first.
That’s my entire point!

[TheKingpin28]

If you ask a question to a fellow voter you should let him answer it - not a good idea to put the words in his mouth, or on the page for him.

I was making a point hoping he could follow logic. It was more to prove a point than anything.

[citdog]

Apples and oranges. The Citadel got destroyed by a team that was not in my poll. Western Illinois narrowly lost to a team that was relatively close to them in my poll. Home field advantage didn't lose the game for The Citadel.

AGAIN your opinion is just that. Both polls had Samford at #25. It's a good thing that your opinion is like your asshole. If that game is in Charleston we don't come out flat like that. Your MVFC bias is showing... SDSU get DOMINATED and WAS NEVER in the game and they drop 5 spots. WIU gets beat AT HOME and they drop just as many. The Citadel spots Samford 35pts and the game isn't over until the 4th and yet you didn't drop the conference YOUR team plays in HALF as much... Yet I'm wrong for noticing YOUR BIAS.

[TheKingpin28]

Telling me what teams A and B eventually did in the future isn’t important when I’m ranking them today. Today, team B looks better, assuming their conferences were comparable.
Seeds get upset in the 2nd round every year, usually at least one. That doesn’t mean team A is more deserving of the higher ranking today. Team A needs to win first.
That’s my entire point!

If I look at both of those teams, both teams would be right against each other due to MVFC vs SoCon and looking at extenuating circumstances. Wells was injured Davis had to step in. Davis was not a solid QB and once they put Wells in, they plowed their way through the season and playoffs with only losing to NDSU and JMU.

This year, I have no idea what is going on, but as usual, Pelini finds a way to win and he will continue a trend he started at Nebraska and now at YSU.

[PantherRob82]

AGAIN your opinion is just that. Both polls had Samford at #25. It's a good thing that your opinion is like your asshole. If that game is in Charleston we don't come out flat like that. Your MVFC bias is showing... SDSU get DOMINATED and WAS NEVER in the game and they drop 5 spots. WIU gets beat AT HOME and they drop just as many. The Citadel spots Samford 35pts and the game isn't over until the 4th and yet you didn't drop the conference YOUR team plays in HALF as much...

No ****. Your opinion is just that. It's a message board. xrolleyesx

MVFC bias? xlolx ESPN3 is a beautiful thing, man.

Game isn't over until the 4th... xlolx

[citdog]

No ****. Your opinion is just that. It's a message board. xrolleyesx

MVFC bias? xlolx ESPN3 is a beautiful thing, man.

Game isn't over until the 4th... xlolx

WHICH game were you watching? The Citadel gets stopped on 4th and 7 at the Samford 16 by one inch in the 3rd after taking the opening drive of the 2nd half 82 yards for a TD tomake it 35-14. Score there and it's 35-21. We then have the ball on the Samford 1 yard line in the 4th and have a false start were it becomes 4th and goal from the Samford 6 instead of the 1. Score there and it's 35-28 but don't let the FACTS get in the way of your irrelevant opinion...

At least care ENOUGH to ****ing KNOW what it is you are talking about. YOU, Sir, DO NOT...

[UNIFanSince1983]

AGAIN your opinion is just that. Both polls had Samford at #25. It's a good thing that your opinion is like your asshole. If that game is in Charleston we don't come out flat like that. Your MVFC bias is showing... SDSU get DOMINATED and WAS NEVER in the game and they drop 5 spots. WIU gets beat AT HOME and they drop just as many. The Citadel spots Samford 35pts and the game isn't over until the 4th and yet you didn't drop the conference YOUR team plays in HALF as much... Yet I'm wrong for noticing YOUR BIAS.

Yeah the game isn't over until the 4th, but neither team scored any points in the 4th. In fact neither team scored after 8:41 in the 3rd. Twice you guys get into the redzone, but come away with 0 points. That isn't impressive. Also it is just your OPINION that you would have not come out flat in Charleston. Your El Cid bias is showing...

People expect a little more out of an 11th ranked team while playing an unranked team.

[citdog]

Yeah the game isn't over until the 4th, but neither team scored any points in the 4th. In fact neither team scored after 8:41 in the 3rd. Twice you guys get into the redzone, but come away with 0 points. That isn't impressive. Also it is just your OPINION that you would have not come out flat in Charleston. Your El Cid bias is showing...

Was the SDSU game a 4qtr game? NOPE. Considering that the Jackrabbits had the ball for 3minutes the ENTIRE 2nd half. They only drop 5 spots though. WIU loses a conference game at HOME and only drops the same amount. MVFC boys gonna MVFC...

[PantherRob82]

WHICH game were you watching? The Citadel gets stopped on 4th and 7 at the Samford 16 by one inch in the 3rd after taking the opening drive of the 2nd half 82 yards for a TD tomake it 35-14. Score there and it's 35-21. We then have the ball on the Samford 1 yard line in the 4th and have a false start were it becomes 4th and goal from the Samford 6 instead of the 1. Score there and it's 35-28 but don't let the FACTS get in the way of your irrelevant opinion...

At least care ENOUGH to ****ing KNOW what it is you are talking about. YOU, Sir, DO NOT...

I am fully aware of what happened. I watch highlights and read summaries. I've also seen you whining about the game and people's opinions on it for the pst 36 hours. So really, I am aware. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Just because you had two scoring opportunities doesn't mean you would have gotten both of them and doesn't mean Samford wouldn't have played their cards differently.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Can't have a discussion with someone who doesn't realize some teams are actually better than others.

Also are you just as mad at the MVFC bias in the STATS poll where The Citadel lost 9 spots for that loss and WIU only lost 2, and SDSU only lost 4 spots?

[semobison]

WHICH game were you watching? The Citadel gets stopped on 4th and 7 at the Samford 16 by one inch in the 3rd after taking the opening drive of the 2nd half 82 yards for a TD tomake it 35-14. Score there and it's 35-21. We then have the ball on the Samford 1 yard line in the 4th and have a false start were it becomes 4th and goal from the Samford 6 instead of the 1. Score there and it's 35-28 but don't let the FACTS get in the way of your irrelevant opinion...

At least care ENOUGH to ****ing KNOW what it is you are talking about. YOU, Sir, DO NOT...

If you wouldn't have come out flat, if you would have gotten that inch, if you wouldn't have had that false start, yeah you might be ranked higher! It's early, plenty of games left to move up...give it a rest, your just making excuses!

[Catbooster]

AGAIN your opinion is just that. Both polls had Samford at #25. It's a good thing that your opinion is like your asshole. If that game is in Charleston we don't come out flat like that. Your MVFC bias is showing... SDSU get DOMINATED and WAS NEVER in the game and they drop 5 spots. WIU gets beat AT HOME and they drop just as many. The Citadel spots Samford 35pts and the game isn't over until the 4th and yet you didn't drop the conference YOUR team plays in HALF as much... Yet I'm wrong for noticing YOUR BIAS.
Come on PantherRob, be reasonable. Although I agreed with your initial argument, now that citdog has provided additional information I see the error of my ways. If the game was at a different location and The Citadel had not allowed Samford to score 35 points early, The Citadel would have won. I now see your MVFC bias.

[citdog]

I am fully aware of what happened. I watch highlights and read summaries. I've also seen you whining about the game and people's opinions on it for the pst 36 hours. So really, I am aware. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Just because you had two scoring opportunities doesn't mean you would have gotten both of them and doesn't mean Samford wouldn't have played their cards differently.

AGAIN it's good that YOUR opinion doesn't matter much. How many scoring opportunities did SDSU have in the 2nd half?? You are a biased person and it's good that your opinion doesn't matter..

[citdog]

Come on PantherRob, be reasonable. Although I agreed with your initial argument, now that citdog has provided additional information I see the error of my ways. If the game was at a different location and The Citadel had not allowed Samford to score 35 points early, The Citadel would have won. I now see your MVFC bias.

Of COURSE you'd rise up to defend the MVFC bias. The best thing the Bobcats have going for them is that they played CLOSE to an MVFC team...

[citdog]

Can't have a discussion with someone who doesn't realize some teams are actually better than others.

Also are you just as mad at the MVFC bias in the STATS poll where The Citadel lost 9 spots for that loss and WIU only lost 2, and SDSU only lost 4 spots?

YEP. That's the poll I vote in...

[Yotes21]

I do not watch much outside of the MVFC and followed the playoffs last year. Who here watches the most of all of these teams and is there an honest separation between them? It seems like cx500d watches quite a few, any insight?

[Thumper 76]

AGAIN it's good that YOUR opinion doesn't matter much. How many scoring opportunities did SDSU have in the 2nd half?? You are a biased person and it's good that your opinion doesn't matter..

Well here’s some of your logic right back at you.

If on the opening drive Goedert doesn’t fumble being overaggressive on their six. Then YSU doesn’t have the opportunity to completely grab all the momentum with their TD. Then it’s a 7-7 game and SDSU goes up 14-7 after their next touchdown, possibly forcing YSU to throw more and not try to hang onto the ball as much, giving the Jacks offense more time with the ball. Then SDSU could have won by a couple touchdowns.


You know, if we’re ranking off of ifs and buts instead of reality. Reality is you got stomped by a team that I didn’t even have ranked. A team that lost to ETSU. SDSU lost to a team most had in their top 10. A team whose only loss was to a FBS team in a fairly close game. You’re just whining like a bitch.


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[citdog]

No ****. Your opinion is just that. It's a message board. xrolleyesx

MVFC bias? xlolx ESPN3 is a beautiful thing, man.

Game isn't over until the 4th... xlolx

I saw the poll you posted. There is SO MUCH wrong with it that like that band geek from Jacksonville I don't know WHERE to start...

[citdog]

Well here’s some of your logic right back at you.

If on the opening drive Goedert doesn’t fumble being overaggressive on their six. Then YSU doesn’t have the opportunity to completely grab all the momentum with their TD. Then it’s a 7-7 game and SDSU goes up 14-7 after their next touchdown, possibly forcing YSU to throw more and not try to hang onto the ball as much, giving the Jacks offense more time with the ball. Then SDSU could have won by a couple touchdowns.


You know, if we’re ranking off of ifs and buts instead of reality. Reality is you got stomped by a team that I didn’t even have ranked. A team that lost to ETSU. SDSU lost to a team most had in their top 10. A team whose only loss was to a FBS team in a fairly close game. You’re just whining like a bitch.


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The ONLY BITCH is you and pantherrob. YOUR team got WHIPPED and only possessed the ball 3 ****ING mins in the 2nd half and WIU got BEAT AT HOME. MUST I explain YOUR MVFC bias to YOU AGAIN?????

[BisonTru]

I thought all those squashings would of drained of some of the spider love chemistry by now

I've been a big Lauletta fan. I haven't got to watch much Spider football but they've been off my ballot for a few weeks now.



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[Thumper 76]

The ONLY BITCH is you and pantherrob. YOUR team got WHIPPED and only possessed the ball 3 ****ING mins in the 2nd half and WIU got BEAT AT HOME. MUST I explain YOUR MVFC bias to YOU AGAIN?????

Your team got waffle stomped by a team that wasn’t ranked.

And GFY with the bias **** if you haven’t seen my poll, dumbass.


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[citdog]

Your team got waffle stomped by a team that wasn’t ranked.

And GFY with the bias **** if you haven’t seen my poll, dumbass.


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The polls that count had Samford at #25. I just left and took a piss which means I was away longer than your team had the ball in the 2nd half...

[Thumper 76]

The polls that count had Samford at #25.

Too bad I vote off of my poll.


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[citdog]

Too bad I vote off of my poll.


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Like I said last week this is 'Merica and you are free to be as WRONG as you can be...

[Daytripper]

Citdog flailing is making this night entertaining considering I've got Kareem Hunt and Tyreek Hill in fantasy games where I'm within 10 points.

[TheKingpin28]

The ONLY BITCH is you and pantherrob. YOUR team got WHIPPED and only possessed the ball 3 ****ING mins in the 2nd half and WIU got BEAT AT HOME. MUST I explain YOUR MVFC bias to YOU AGAIN?????

You are honestly not seeing why people voted for The Citadel so low. I will let you in on a secret. 2 Top 5 teams played and SDSU lost on the road. Sure they got stomped, but the difference is that, Samford, was a fringe 25 team whereas YSU just solidified themselves as a top 5 team and SDSU is anywhere from 10-15 right now. The Citadel did not show up and had a tough time with ETSU! ETSU!

YSU: 72/4/12
SDSU: 87/8/36
Samford: 117/17/20
The Citadel: 126/24/85

(Sagarin/Massey/SOS)

Please, tell me how dropping SDSU further than The Citadel makes sense?

[citdog]

Citdog flailing is making this night entertaining considering I've got Kareem Hunt and Tyreek Hill in fantasy games where I'm within 10 points.

YOU had a conference road loss in a FAR weaker Conference and didn't drop as far...

[smilo]

Do not understand McNeese over Nicholls at all. So Nicholls' win was at home...they still won. When both inevitably finish 9-2, I wonder who's getting the 2nd SLC at-large...probably the H2H winner! Only difference in my T25.

I have Albany much higher since both they and obviously Elon should be ahead of VU...Richmond will decide if I keep them there.

[semobison]

YEP. That's the poll I vote in...

I have never seen anyone piss and moan so much over a poll in early October! I hope your drunk!

[citdog]

You are honestly not seeing why people voted for The Citadel so low. I will let you in on a secret. 2 Top 5 teams played and SDSU lost on the road. Sure they got stomped, but the difference is that, Samford, was a fringe 25 team whereas YSU just solidified themselves as a top 5 team and SDSU is anywhere from 10-15 right now. The Citadel did not show up and had a tough time with ETSU! ETSU!

YSU: 72/4/12
SDSU: 87/8/36
Samford: 117/17/20
The Citadel: 126/24/85

(Sagarin/Massey/SOS)

Please, tell me how dropping SDSU further than The Citadel makes sense?

Did SDSU get dominated in conference on the road. YEP. Was SDSU in the game in the 2nd half? NOPE. Did The Citadel spot #25 Samford 35pts? YEP. Was it a football game after that. YEP. WIU got beat at HOME....

[citdog]

I have never seen anyone piss and moan so much over a poll in early October! I hope your drunk!

It took The Citadel SO LONG to climb the polls. Can we really DROP SO FAR for one half of football? The Citadel is 16-3 in their last 19 SoCon Games...

[grizband]

Here's my week 5 poll. It's early, and yes, Montana was probably a homer pick at 25. Honestly struggled with the last few spots this time. Also, before I hear from CitDog: The Citadel is too low.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: The Citadel Bulldogs
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: Montana Grizzlies

The Most Significant Win: Central Arkansas Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[TheRevSFA]

It took The Citadel SO LONG to climb the polls. Can we really DROP SO FAR for one half of football? The Citadel is 16-3 in their last 19 SoCon Games...

You shouldn't have lost to an inferior team

[dewey]

Pretty close

Post your top 25.

Dewey

[BisonTru]

My Poll



James Madison
North Dakota State
Youngstown State
Jacksonville State
Wofford
Central Arkansas
South Dakota
Eastern Washington
Illinois State
Sam Houston State
South Dakota State
Villanova
Samford
The Citadel
Western Illinois
Weber State
Western Carolina
Elon
New Hampshire
Richmond
Stony Brook
North Carolina A&T
Montana
McNeese
Northern Iowa



Fixed for those of us that can't read white on white.

[TheKingpin28]

Tru beat me to it

[Professor Chaos]

The Citadel is too low.
No they're not actually.

[POD Knows]

No they're not actually.Wofford is too high

[citdog]

Wofford is too high

SoCon Homers Gonna SoCon Homer...

[dewey]

Kudos to Citdog for posting his pollxbowx

I disagree with the placement of a few teams but opinions are what they are. It is hard to see all teams through unbiased eyes. I know I cannot.

The best thing about this poll is that we can all question each other's poll. This is what makes us all better pollsters and makes this the best poll out there.

Congratulations to all AGS voters for the best poll...again.

Dewey

[citdog]

Kudos to Citdog for posting his pollxbowx

I disagree with the placement of a few teams but opinions are what they are. It is hard to see all teams through unbiased eyes. I know I cannot.

The best thing about this poll is that we can all question each other's poll. This is what makes us all better pollsters and makes this the best poll out there.

Congratulations to all AGS voters for the best poll...again.

Dewey

The AGS Poll is the BEST. There is no arguing with the results. I try and bring the same level of objectivity and attention that y'all do to another poll.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Was the SDSU game a 4qtr game? NOPE. Considering that the Jackrabbits had the ball for 3minutes the ENTIRE 2nd half. They only drop 5 spots though. WIU loses a conference game at HOME and only drops the same amount. MVFC boys gonna MVFC...

As did the SoCon boys. You can keep pushing that if it helps but it ain't true and I've made that point to you already.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Come on PantherRob, be reasonable. Although I agreed with your initial argument, now that citdog has provided additional information I see the error of my ways. If the game was at a different location and The Citadel had not allowed Samford to score 35 points early, The Citadel would have won. I now see your MVFC bias.

xlolx

[citdog]

As did the SoCon boys. You can keep pushing that if it helps but it ain't true and I've made that point to you already.

DAMN Ursus why do you have to keep contradicting my convoluted **** with facts? Don't you know that ain't the way to get at me by NOW????


xcoffeex

[BisonFan02]

As did the SoCon boys. You can keep pushing that if it helps but it ain't true and I've made that point to you already.

THAT'S IT! *writing essay*

[citdog]

THAT'S IT! *writing essay*

Bull****..... I "showed my work" along with my ass...

[ursus arctos horribilis]

DAMN Ursus why do you have to keep contradicting my convoluted **** with facts? Don't you know that ain't the way to get at me by NOW????


xcoffeex

I ain't trying to get at ya, I'm cornering ya. xlolx

BTW, I do think you are an asset to the Stats poll for sure and as I said a coupe weeks back, it sure looks improved overall to me lately.

Now, if you want I will continue to back you into that corner so we can see how this works out cuz as you know I remain focused on a couple of single items and am not distracted by superfluous items that may be introduced.:D

[BisonFan02]

I ain't trying to get at ya, I'm cornering ya. xlolx

BTW, I do think you are an asset to the Stats poll for sure and as I said a coupe weeks back, it sure looks improved overall to me lately.

Now, if you want I will continue to back you into that corner so we can see how this works out cuz as you know I remain focused on a couple of single items and am not distracted by superfluous items that may be introduced.:D

You don't back a Citadel man in the corner, you blockade them.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

You don't back a Citadel man in the corner, you blockade them.

Thank you, I am a wide SOB and I appreciate that compliment!

[BisonFan02]

Thank you, I am a wide SOB and I appreciate that compliment!

The Ursus Great Snake. xlolx

[PantherRob82]

Fixed for those of us that can't read white on white.

Look at that MVFC bias. I haven't even ranked UNI this season. xlolx

[caribbeanhen]

The MVFC fans are generally biased and rightfully get a little upset when it's pointed out to them

Just remember all of them picked Illinois State to beat Central Arkansas last year biased and blind is not a good thing

Sit dog if the Citadel would just win ballgames you wouldn't have to argue with these boys so much

[POD Knows]

The MVFC fans are generally biased and rightfully get a little upset when it's pointed out to them

Just remember all of them picked Illinois State to beat Central Arkansas last year biased and blind is not a good thing

Sit dog if the Citadel would just win ballgames you wouldn't have to argue with these boys so muchYou coming to Fargo next fall so you can watch NDSU thrash the **** out of UD?

[BisonBacker]

Telling me what teams A and B eventually did in the future isn’t important when I’m ranking them today. Today, team B looks better, assuming their conferences were comparable.
Seeds get upset in the 2nd round every year, usually at least one. That doesn’t mean team A is more deserving of the higher ranking today. Team A needs to win first.
That’s my entire point!

Herein lies the problem.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Only in the MVFC can anyone get whipped like SDSU did and the final score be 19-7.

Citdog.. I look at this was. YSU controlled clock for 45 of 60 mins and still only scored 19 points. They executed a perfect game plan and won by just 12. Their 1st drive was 16 plays for 94 yards and chewed up nearly 9 mins of play clock. Agree it seems like glld teams are figuring out how to contain SDSU but that doesn't make SDSU a weak team. Though they did reveal some weakness in their DL when they announced they planned to pull redshirts game 1 to shore up DL.. YSU took full advantage of situation. But again.. SDSU only lost by 12 having only had ball for 15 of 60 mins. They are still a very good team .. albeit not the dominant team many were thinking.

[Serpentor]

Do not understand McNeese over Nicholls at all. So Nicholls' win was at home...they still won. When both inevitably finish 9-2, I wonder who's getting the 2nd SLC at-large...probably the H2H winner! Only difference in my T25.

Nicholls is getting lowballed because they're a historically mediocre team. McNeese is getting the benefit of the doubt because they're a historically good team. Teams attempting to turn around from bad to good ALWAYS have to fight voter bias as well as the other teams on the field.

[McNeese75]

Nicholls is getting lowballed because they're a historically mediocre team. McNeese is getting the benefit of the doubt because they're a historically good team. Teams attempting to turn around from bad to good ALWAYS have to fight voter bias as well as the other teams on the field.

Might have something to do with the trouncing they took from SHSU as well. IMO their win in Thibodaux was a perfect storm that would not be repeated if the game was other than the first of the year. Regardless, it was a W for the Colonels.

[BisonTru]

Using the AGS Poll this would be the playoff field.



Big Sky
Eastern Wash


Big South
Charleston S


CAA
James Madison


MVFC
North Dakota St


NEC
St. Francis


OVC
Jacksonville St


Patroit
Colgate


Pioneer
San Diego


Southern
Wofford


Southland
Central Ark






At Larges:
Youngstown St



South Dakota



Illinois St



South Dakota St



Sam Houston St



Western Illinois



Weber St



Villanova



Elon



New Hampshire



Stony Brook



Richmond



Western Carolina



The Citadel







First Four Out



Samford



Albany



McNeese St



Maine

[semobison]

The MVFC fans are generally biased and rightfully get a little upset when it's pointed out to them

Just remember all of them picked Illinois State to beat Central Arkansas last year biased and blind is not a good thing

Sit dog if the Citadel would just win ballgames you wouldn't have to argue with these boys so much

Nobody picked UCA to beat ISUr and nobody picked Youngstown to make the title game! **** Happens! I have nothing but respect for thr CAA and the Southern conference. They just haven't performed quite as well as the Valley in recent years. Facts are facts!

[McNeese72]

Nicholls is getting lowballed because they're a historically mediocre team. McNeese is getting the benefit of the doubt because they're a historically good team. Teams attempting to turn around from bad to good ALWAYS have to fight voter bias as well as the other teams on the field.

Nicholls did not impress me that game. We essentially handed the game to them on a silver platter. I have said it and will say it again. If it wasn't the first game of the season, Nicholls doesn't win. Check all the stats of that game.

Still we screwed up and they won. Would love to play that game again. McNeese looks to be starting to jell.

Doc

[Serpentor]

Nicholls did not impress me that game. We essentially handed the game to them on a silver platter. I have said it and will say it again. If it wasn't the first game of the season, Nicholls doesn't win. Check all the stats of that game.

Still we screwed up and they won. Would love to play that game again. McNeese looks to be starting to jell.

Doc

You're probably right. It's the same reason why FBS teams deliberately choose scrub teams for their season openers. They're factoring in that their team is going to be rusty or shorthanded due to suspensions and want to ease their ways into real gameplay.

[BisonTru]

McNeese looks to be starting to jell.

Doc

That might be the nicest thing I have heard a Poke fan say about his own team since I joined this site.

#notjoking

[lionsrking2]

Nicholls did not impress me that game. We essentially handed the game to them on a silver platter. I have said it and will say it again. If it wasn't the first game of the season, Nicholls doesn't win. Check all the stats of that game.

Still we screwed up and they won. Would love to play that game again. McNeese looks to be starting to jell.

Doc

I was at that game, on the sidelines, and thought both teams were pretty evenly matched physically. Stats can be misleading due to circumstances in a particular game. As I recall, Nicholls ran less than 20 offensive plays in the first half and less than 50 plays the entire game. But they played good defense in the red zone and made good adjustments in the second half. Same two teams could have played the following week and the script could flip depending the flow of the game, turnovers, etc. ... the outcome would still likely be decided late in the 4th quarter.

[McNeese75]

I was at that game, on the sidelines, and thought both teams were pretty evenly matched physically. Stats can be misleading due to circumstances in a particular game. As I recall, Nicholls ran less than 20 offensive plays in the first half and less than 50 plays the entire game. But they played good defense in the red zone and made good adjustments in the second half. Same two teams could have played the following week and the script could flip depending the flow of the game, turnovers, etc. ... the outcome would still likely be decided late in the 4th quarter.


I disagree, the stats pretty much told the story in that game. IMO play that game 10 times and McNeese wins 8 of them. BUT Nicholls did what they needed to win that game. I guess you will find out soon just how good they are in November but of course that is your last regular season game not the first on a Thursday night.

and YES we are still whining :D

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[Katfan]

2016 VS 2017

Really? Now you're just trolling for responses.
Thank you

[caribbeanhen]

2016 VS 2017

Really? Now you're just trolling for responses.

so you didn't use last year's results to formulate your 2017 preseason poll ? Haha

[TheKingpin28]

so you didn't use last year's results to formulate your 2017 preseason poll ? Haha

Preseason poll? Exactly. PRESEASON. As in, before the season starts... Before any knowledge of how the teams will preform...

[caribbeanhen]

You coming to Fargo next fall so you can watch NDSU thrash the **** out of UD?

Don't be thinking Delaware is your cupcake appetizer this isn't going to be a Robert Morris a Mississippi Valley State a Delaware state Now

[POD Knows]

Don't be thinking Delaware is your cupcake appetizer this isn't going to be a Robert Morris a Mississippi Valley State a Delaware state NowNope, I agree, I got freaking UD pretty high in my poll this year , they look good so far, I am glad they are turning it around. I really haven't looked at their team, depth and recruiting to be able to tell what they will be like next year but I am looking forward to the game.

The wife and I are planning on heading out east for the away game in 2019, it should be cool, we will make a vacation out of it.

[caribbeanhen]

Preseason poll? Exactly. PRESEASON. As in, before the season starts... Before any knowledge of how the teams will preform...

you shouldn't belittle the preseason poll like that of course there is knowledge on how the teams are going to perform as a matter of fact the The preseason number one and number two are still the number one and number two going into weeks six

[Schism55]

Don't be thinking Delaware is your cupcake appetizer this isn't going to be a Robert Morris a Mississippi Valley State a Delaware state Now
Delaware has ZERO place to call Delaware St a cupcake, you barely beat them