STATS stats biased against Ivy League

[World]

Since the Ivy League doesn't start the season until the 3rd week, stats for teams and players should be reviewed on a per game basis when compared to other teams

here are the Passing FCS stats from STATS:

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?lg=999&cat=6

Oh look, they fail to include the per game passing yardage and only show the total passing yards

Same with receptions per game...no where to be found

what's up with that?

[Professor Chaos]

I see it the same way I see the Ivies when it comes to their relevance in the regular season rankings. If they're going to voluntarily marginalize themselves by not participating in the playoffs or not playing any games until week 3 they shouldn't be shocked when other's marginalize them as well.

In other words... play using the same schedule constraints (or lack thereof) that the lowly peasant schools that the Ivies so gracious call subdivision-mates play by or don't complain.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I see it the same way I see the Ivies when it comes to their relevance in the regular season rankings. If they're going to voluntarily marginalize themselves by not participating in the playoffs or not playing any games until week 3 they shouldn't be shocked when other's marginalize them as well.

In other words... play using the same schedule constraints (or lack thereof) that the lowly peasant schools that the Ivies so gracious call subdivision-mates play by or don't complain.

Agree, stop asking for special treatment and additional crap to make it all better for you if the group wants to play by different rules then expect different results based on your (Ivy) decisions and live with it.

[World]

Agree, stop asking for special treatment and additional crap to make it all better for you if the group wants to play by different rules then expect different results based on your (Ivy) decisions and live with it.


"Special Treatment"?

You mean as in measuring quarterbacks using Yards per game versus just using Total Yards Passing?

That kind of "Special Treatment"?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

"Special Treatment"?

You mean as in measuring quarterbacks using Yards per game versus just using Total Yards Passing?

That kind of "Special Treatment"?

Yes, that kind.

[Serpentor]

"Special Treatment"?

You mean as in measuring quarterbacks using Yards per game versus just using Total Yards Passing?

That kind of "Special Treatment"?

Dude, seriously, don't. Your teams never leave New England. Blueblood twerps playing each other isn't going to impress anyone.

Play some OOC team in the MVFC, CAA or Southern before you demand some respect.

[TheRevSFA]

My God what a bunch of spoiled brats

[cx500d]

Sheesh....I also won't include them in poll for similar reasons.


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[citdog]

Y'all don't take football seriously so why should anyone take y'all seriously?

[mvemjsunpx]

Agree, stop asking for special treatment and additional crap to make it all better for you if the group wants to play by different rules then expect different results based on your (Ivy) decisions and live with it.

Stats should be listed per game regardless of when the Ivy League starts. Gross stats just aren't real useful, especially since teams have byes at different times.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Stats should be listed per game regardless of when the Ivy League starts. Gross stats just aren't real useful, especially since teams have byes at different times.

Oh shut up mvem we're trying to have some fun here! xlolx

[citdog]

What do we want?
"All Gender Restrooms in Ivy League Stadiums!"

When do we want them?
"By Week 3 I mean Week 1!"

[centennial]

NDSU has some open dates. Harvard you are up. I know what will happen though, get blown out then pull NDSU's US News rankings and call us country bumpkins. Or make fun of the majors of football players. I even saw Richmond fans do it a couple of years ago.

Either step up or shut up. Or at least go knock off a few MAC schools.

[mvemjsunpx]

Oh shut up mvem we're trying to have some fun here! xlolx

Oh, I know. And don't get me started on how stupid the Ivy League's no-playoff policy is.

Still… I would expect a site called "STATS" to do a better job with how they list, you know, stats. Statistics almost seem like an afterthought there.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Oh, I know. And don't get me started on how stupid the Ivy League's no-playoff policy is.

Still… I would expect a site called "STATS" to do a better job with how they list, you know, stats. Statistics almost seem like an afterthought there.

:Dxthumbsupx

[Catbooster]

I agree that it would be more useful to include per game stats, but to blame it on a bias against the Ivies?

[bonarae]

Wow. STATS after all is pro-FCS, but to treat the Ivies like that is disgraceful. xsmhx

[citdog]

Wow. STATS after all is pro-FCS, but to treat the Ivies like that is disgraceful. xsmhx

Why don't y'all get with the program?

[Bison56]

Since the Ivy League doesn't start the season until the 3rd week, stats for teams and players should be reviewed on a per game basis when compared to other teams

here are the Passing FCS stats from STATS:

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?lg=999&cat=6

Oh look, they fail to include the per game passing yardage and only show the total passing yards

Same with receptions per game...no where to be found

what's up with that?
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26058&stc=1

[kalm]

Wow. STATS after all is pro-FCS, but to treat the Ivies like that is disgraceful. xsmhx

They're treating everyone the same.

The Harvard of the Palouse plays a full schedule...

[Thumper 76]

Wow. STATS after all is pro-FCS, but to treat the Ivies like that is disgraceful. xsmhx

Well if they want the accolades everyone else gets maybe they should participate with everyone else.


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[citdog]

Well if they want the accolades everyone else gets maybe they should participate with everyone else.


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The Ivy League are a bunch of segregationists.

[Son of Eli]

Dude, seriously, don't. Your teams never leave New England. Blueblood twerps playing each other isn't going to impress anyone.

Play some OOC team in the MVFC, CAA or Southern before you demand some respect.

First of all, I'd like to state that I wholeheartedly agree with the posters on this thread that the Ivy League should adopt an eleven game schedule and that they should participate in the FCS playoffs.

Having said that I would like to clear up some inaccuracies here. The Ivy League does play the CAA and does quite well against them. Over the last 5 years the Ivy League holds a 10-7 record against the CAA as follows:

2016 3-1
2015 4-0
2014 1-3
2013 1-1
2012 1-2

The Ivy League also plays many games outside of New England. You may need a geography lesson, but the Ivy League's main scheduling partner, the Patriot League, has only one school in New England. Furthermore, Yale has played Cal Poly in 2013 (won) and is scheduled to play a four game series against Mercer and a two game series against Richmond. Penn has played William & Mary recently and Princeton has recently played the Citadel, just to name a few more examples.

Finally, the Ivy League's generous financial aid policies make the football teams anything but "blue blood twerps." It's why the Ivy League regularly out recruits the rest of the FCS.

[citdog]

First of all, I'd like to state that I wholeheartedly agree with the posters on this thread that the Ivy League should adopt an eleven game schedule and that they should participate in the FCS playoffs.

Having said that I would like to clear up some inaccuracies here. The Ivy League does play the CAA and does quite well against them. Over the last 5 years the Ivy League holds a 10-6 record against the CAA as follows:

2016 3-1
2015 4-0
2014 1-3
2013 1-1
2012 1-2

The Ivy League also plays many games outside of New England. You may need a geography lesson, but the Ivy League's main scheduling partner, the Patriot League, has only one school in New England. Furthermore, Yale as played Cal Poly in 2013 (won) and is scheduled to play a four game series against Mercer and a two game series against Richmond. Penn has played William & Mary recently and Princeton has recently played the Citadel, just to name a few more examples.

Finally, the Ivy League's generous financial aid policies make the football teams anything but "blue blood" twerps. It's why the Ivy League regularly out recruits the rest of the FCS.

Those CAA teams were all named Rhode Island...

[BisonFan02]

They're treating everyone the same.

The Harvard of the Palouse plays a full schedule...

Towson?

[Son of Eli]

Those CAA teams were all named Rhode Island...


Wrong. They also include victories over New Hampshire, Villanova, Maine and Towson.

[citdog]

Wrong. They also include victories over New Hampshire, Villanova, Maine and Towson.

Ohhhhhh not TOWSON and MAINE!!!

I was at both Princeton games. Was NOT impressed.

[World]

Stats should be listed per game regardless of when the Ivy League starts. Gross stats just aren't real useful, especially since teams have byes at different times.

Fully agree

Also some players might miss a game or two due to injuries

[Son of Eli]

Fully agree

Also some players might miss a game or two due to injuries


One can't logically argue against your point World. Hence the ad hominem attacks.

[World]

One can't logically argue against your point World. Hence the ad hominem attacks.

Next thing you know, they will argue against the fact that the Ivy League has 5 out of the top 10 capacity stadiums for football in FCS

[Serpentor]

Next thing you know, they will argue against the fact that the Ivy League has 5 out of the top 10 capacity stadiums for football in FCS

They were also built back in the early 1900s when Ivy League teams still competed for national championships.

[citdog]

One can't logically argue against your point World. Hence the ad hominem attacks.

Ivy League football sucks and y'all are a bunch of them, they, ourses and EVERYBODY knows it. Including Y'ALL. Why else would you segregate yourselves?

[Son of Eli]

Ivy League football sucks and y'all are a bunch of them, they, ourses and EVERYBODY knows it. Including Y'ALL. Why else would you segregate yourselves?


If Ivy League Football "sucks", as you say, how do you explain this:

"Harvard leads all FCS programs with nine former players on NFL Opening Day rosters while Delaware, Illinois State and NDSU all have seven players in the league. Nevada, Northern Iowa and Portland State have six players while dozens of other schools have players sprinkled throughout the league."

[Bisonoline]

Next thing you know, they will argue against the fact that the Ivy League has 5 out of the top 10 capacity stadiums for football in FCS

They should have bigger stadiums as they used to play with the big boys-----alooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago and they were the only game in town.

[cx500d]

If Ivy League Football "sucks", as you say, how do you explain this:

"Harvard leads all FCS programs with nine former players on NFL Opening Day rosters while Delaware, Illinois State and NDSU all have seven players in the league. Nevada, Northern Iowa and Portland State have six players while dozens of other schools have players sprinkled throughout the league."

They have better longevity due to playing in the powder puff flag football league

[citdog]

If Ivy League Football "sucks", as you say, how do you explain this:

"Harvard leads all FCS programs with nine former players on NFL Opening Day rosters while Delaware, Illinois State and NDSU all have seven players in the league. Nevada, Northern Iowa and Portland State have six players while dozens of other schools have players sprinkled throughout the league."

Yay! Your teams stink. That's why you segregate yourselves.

[Son of Eli]

Ohhhhhh not TOWSON and MAINE!!!

I was at both Princeton games. Was NOT impressed.

After the disgraceful way the Citadel treated the Princeton Band I doubt very much that any Ivy League team will ever play the Citadel again.

https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/09/24/princeton-band-provokes-angry-citadel-response


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7lSkyuyhrqQ

[BisonFan02]

After the disgraceful way the Citadel treated the Princeton Band I doubt very much that any Ivy League team will play the Citadel again.

https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/09/24/princeton-band-provokes-angry-citadel-response

I'm on The Citadel's side there. xlolx

[JSUSoutherner]

After the disgraceful way the Citadel treated the Princeton Band I doubt very much that any Ivy League team will play the Citadel again.

https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/09/24/princeton-band-provokes-angry-citadel-response


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7lSkyuyhrqQ

I don't see anything wrong with this video.

[Son of Eli]

I'm on The Citadel's side there. xlolx


Yeah. A bunch of real confederate tough guys. I guess we're fortunate they didn't drive a car through the band.

[BisonFan02]

Yeah. A bunch of confederate real tough guys. I guess we're fortunate they didn't drive a car through the band.

Wasn't he from Ohio?

[Bisonoline]

Yeah. A bunch of real confederate tough guys. I guess we're fortunate they didn't drive a car through the band.

If you are going to act like douchebags you should expect to be treated as such.

[Go...gate]

Dude, seriously, don't. Your teams never leave New England. Blueblood twerps playing each other isn't going to impress anyone.

Play some OOC team in the MVFC, CAA or Southern before you demand some respect. Or resume playing Patriot League teams (like Colgate) that many of the Ivies will not play any more.

FIFY.

[Go...gate]

First of all, I'd like to state that I wholeheartedly agree with the posters on this thread that the Ivy League should adopt an eleven game schedule and that they should participate in the FCS playoffs.

Having said that I would like to clear up some inaccuracies here. The Ivy League does play the CAA and does quite well against them. Over the last 5 years the Ivy League holds a 10-7 record against the CAA as follows:

2016 3-1
2015 4-0
2014 1-3
2013 1-1
2012 1-2

The Ivy League also plays many games outside of New England. You may need a geography lesson, but the Ivy League's main scheduling partner, the Patriot League, has only one school in New England. Furthermore, Yale has played Cal Poly in 2013 (won) and is scheduled to play a four game series against Mercer and a two game series against Richmond. Penn has played William & Mary recently and Princeton has recently played the Citadel, just to name a few more examples.

Finally, the Ivy League's generous financial aid policies make the football teams anything but "blue blood twerps." It's why the Ivy League regularly out recruits the rest of the FCS.

And Yale, like Cornell, continues to play Colgate.

[Go...gate]

They were also built back in the early 1900s when Ivy League teams still competed for national championships.

Actually, Columbia's Wien Stadium (17,000 capacity) was completed in 1986, Princeton Stadium (27,000 capacity) was built in 1998, and Franklin Field and Harvard Stadium have recently received significant renovations and freshening at substantial cost.

[The Pud]

well, Ivy and SWAC do not participate in playoffs, so why rank them is my take on the matter

[WestCoastAggie]

Uh...

[The Pud]

Uh...


In other words, they do not compete in playoffs, so there is no real measuring stick on which to formulate a sound decision on ranking is my guess why there is this biase towards IVY league and Swac conference

[Serpentor]

I feel like this thread is some theater arts major's performance art piece...

[The Pud]

I feel like this thread is some theater arts major's performance art piece...


+8

hahahaha! so true!

[walliver]

If you are going to list stats on a per game basis, then maybe you should exclude all stats against FBS, D2, NAIA, start-up programs, and Pioneer games.

Including stats from the playoffs also skews the numbers and those numbers should be excluded - a good player on a playoff team may have better numbers than a great player on a non-playoff team.

[walliver]

After the disgraceful way the Citadel treated the Princeton Band I doubt very much that any Ivy League team will ever play the Citadel again.

https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/09/24/princeton-band-provokes-angry-citadel-response


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7lSkyuyhrqQ
From the article:


Such a show of contempt deserved to be booed even by an objective audience. Their show, which included band members humping each other on the field, crossed several lines of respect and decency. ...
The entire Corps of Cadets should be given a medal for standing up for their school.
The Princeton Band, meanwhile, should be ashamed. All those pseudo-intellectuals and not a single brain among them.

[citdog]

Yeah. A bunch of real confederate tough guys. I guess we're fortunate they didn't drive a car through the band.

Those pencil neck yankee geeks REALLY know how apologize.

1:25 mark


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUfXFbekqLY&t=113s

[kalm]

If you are going to list stats on a per game basis, then maybe you should exclude all stats against FBS, D2, NAIA, start-up programs, and Pioneer games.

Including stats from the playoffs also skews the numbers and those numbers should be excluded - a good player on a playoff team may have better numbers than a great player on a non-playoff team.

Great points. How would Ivy stats be opening up with one of our typical Septembers?

[Sandlapper Spike]

While I'm not really into these chest-beating type situations nor do I wrap myself in the Confederate flag, I have to be honest here: Princeton's band deserved all the abuse it received and then some. As a group, they were disrespectful to the extreme, even by the standards of scramble bands.

The real tragedy, of course, is that a wind instrument had to be sacrificed in the on-campus fracas...

I might suggest that the Princeton band playing "Dixie" at halftime of the game in New Jersey was an example of somebody not really getting it, but whatever.

Incidentally, I also attended both games. There wasn't much question which team was better (and arguably better coached), though Princeton running back Jordan Culbreath could have played for just about any FCS squad.

[OhioHen]

Fully agree

Also some players might miss a game or two due to injuries

And the Heisman trophy goes to random running back who averaged 327 yards from scrimmage per game!






































































Oh, wait - you mean he only played ONE game?!?

[OhioHen]

Franklin Field recently received significant renovations and freshening at substantial cost.

Those renovations were so it won't fall apart under all the dancing Jamaicans during the Penn Relays in April.

[mvemjsunpx]

And the Heisman trophy goes to random running back who averaged 327 yards from scrimmage per game!

Oh, wait - you mean he only played ONE game?!?

xrolleyesx

Conference/NCAA rules require someone to have played in at least 3/4 of their team's games to rank in any stat.

[JSUSoutherner]

I feel like this thread is some theater arts major's performance art piece...

xlolx

[World]

If you are going to act like douchebags you should expect to be treated as such.


ha!

a lowly person from trade school North Dakota State calling Ivy Leaguers douchbags

[BisonFan02]

ha!

a lowly person from trade school North Dakota State calling Ivy Leaguers douchbags

D'ok. xlolx

[World]

If you are going to list stats on a per game basis, then maybe you should exclude all stats against FBS, D2, NAIA, start-up programs, and Pioneer games.

Including stats from the playoffs also skews the numbers and those numbers should be excluded - a good player on a playoff team may have better numbers than a great player on a non-playoff team.


Good point

you mean like games against Division II Newberry College this year?

who in the world plays Newberry and expects for people to take their football program seriously?

[Bison56]

ha!

a lowly person from trade school North Dakota State calling Ivy Leaguers douchbags

And there it is.

[cx500d]

ha!

a lowly person from trade school North Dakota State calling Ivy Leaguers douchbags


One would think an Ivy Leaguer could spell douchebag, but then again, they tend to be coddled little ****s more schooled in things like white privilege, women's studies, african-american studies, hispanic studies, art history, and other gems of contribution to our nations economy.

[citdog]

ha!

a lowly person from trade school North Dakota State calling Ivy Leaguers douchbags

That's why EVERYONE wishes you would go to DIII where your football belongs.

[citdog]

Good point

you mean like games against Division II Newberry College this year?

who in the world plays Newberry and expects for people to take their football program seriously?

The voters for the Top 25 that's who. The Citadel is #10 in the country presently. Newberry is 17pts better than princeton.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

After the disgraceful way the Citadel treated the Princeton Band I doubt very much that any Ivy League team will ever play the Citadel again.

https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/09/24/princeton-band-provokes-angry-citadel-response


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7lSkyuyhrqQ

Princeton started the conflict with their rudeness and disrespect to the Citadel's traditions.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

Why should they change the system for one group? I know at the Ivy League schools that you feed the crying baby bird when it weeps but the real world is different.

[Serpentor]

ha!

a lowly person from trade school North Dakota State calling Ivy Leaguers douchbags

I bet his monocle popped out of his eye and landed in his champagne while he typed that.

[JSUSoutherner]

I bet his monocle popped out of his eye and landed in his champagne while he typed that.

must spread rep

[Go...gate]

Princeton started the conflict with their rudeness and disrespect to the Citadel's traditions.

Yes. Reminiscent of when they were banned from West Point in 1981.

"The Band" is a Princeton tradition that became very tired long ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/10/11/nyregion/west-point-orders-princeton-to-keep-ba-nd-off-its-gridiron.html?mcubz=1

[Bisonoline]

Yes. Reminiscent of when they were banned from West Point in 1981.

"The Band" is a Princeton tradition that became very tired long ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/10/11/nyregion/west-point-orders-princeton-to-keep-ba-nd-off-its-gridiron.html?mcubz=1

I think Stanfords band pulls the same crap.

[TheRevSFA]

Princeton was my safety school....

[UNIFanSince1983]

It is funny that if this was just worded that you cannot get per game stats on STATS this wouldn't have been a big deal.

Instead you have to troll by adding the Ivies in just to get people riled up.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

Yes. Reminiscent of when they were banned from West Point in 1981.

"The Band" is a Princeton tradition that became very tired long ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/10/11/nyregion/west-point-orders-princeton-to-keep-ba-nd-off-its-gridiron.html?mcubz=1

There is a difference between good natured teasing and jerk behavior. Princeton band has yet to learn that.