Patriot League Pick 'em - Week 4

[carney2]

PRESS RELEASE, CENTER VALLEY, PA: The Patriot League announced today that they are discontinuing football as a competitive sport. A League official stated that “Since we’re not competitive anyway, we might as well face reality.” Holy Cross has tweeted that they will continue football as a club sport for the foreseeable future.

And, every coach and AD in the Patriot League should send a thank you note to Peter Pujals and his Holy Cross mates for helping them to avoid a total humiliation.


Pennsylvania @ LEHIGH
FORDHAM @ Bryant
GEORGETOWN @ Columbia
Furman @ COLGATE
Sacred Heart @ BUCKNELL
Princeton @ LAFAYETTE
HOLY CROSS @ Dartmouth

Game of the Week: HOLY CROSS @ Dartmouth – The Cross seems to swing like a pendulum. Let’s see if they can keep moving in the right direction. As for the rest of these games, if you’re paying to see it, you’re a fool.

[bonarae]

Penn
Fordham
Columbia
Furman
Sacred Heart
Princeton
Holy Cross

[CHIP72]

PRESS RELEASE, CENTER VALLEY, PA: The Patriot League announced today that they are discontinuing football as a competitive sport. A League official stated that “Since we’re not competitive anyway, we might as well face reality.” Holy Cross has tweeted that they will continue football as a club sport for the foreseeable future.

And, every coach and AD in the Patriot League should send a thank you note to Peter Pujals and his Holy Cross mates for helping them to avoid a total humiliation.


Pennsylvania @ LEHIGH
FORDHAM @ Bryant
GEORGETOWN @ Columbia
Furman @ COLGATE
Sacred Heart @ BUCKNELL
Princeton @ LAFAYETTE
HOLY CROSS @ Dartmouth

Game of the Week: HOLY CROSS @ Dartmouth – The Cross seems to swing like a pendulum. Let’s see if they can keep moving in the right direction. As for the rest of these games, if you’re paying to see it, you’re a fool.


Or stated another way, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, you're CHIP72 attending a two-site college football doubleheader!" xlolx

[CFBfan]

[QUOTE=carney2;2528467]PRESS RELEASE, CENTER VALLEY, PA: The Patriot League announced today that they are discontinuing football as a competitive sport. A League official stated that “Since we’re not competitive anyway, we might as well face reality.” Holy Cross has tweeted that they will continue football as a club sport for the foreseeable future.

3 teams gave up 56 or more points while 4 scored 12 or less...a total disgrace, the PL embarrassed itself yesterday what a pathetic display.
at least a couple teams "played up" (not much of a consolation as none were competitive) but lehigh let an ivy hang 56 on them and on their home field WOW!

[carney2]

Pennsylvania @ LEHIGH – Lelow continues its slide into mediocrity. The Squawks have given up 47 points and 532 yds. per game. This is at least the 4th consecutive year of no D. Quality programs fix their problems.

FORDHAM @ Bryant – A WAG (Wild A$$ Guess). I know absolutely nothing about Bryant, but am beginning to detect an objectionable stench coming out of the Bronx.

GEORGETOWN @ Columbia – When you lose to Marist you get – and deserve – no respect.

Furman @ COLGATE – The ‘gaters continue to play with fire. Still might be a competitive team, but it will take a few more weeks to unravel.

Sacred Heart @ BUCKNELL – Sacred Heart is average. Bucky isn’t.

Princeton @ LAFAYETTE – Tigger don’t need no stinkin’ Curse to take this one. The Lafayette faithful are still waiting for that “great defense” and “all of that talent” to kick in. The wait is over. The defense is giving up 43 points and 476 yds. per game, and the “talent” is pretty much D-3 guys dressed up in D-1 uniforms.

HOLY CROSS @ Dartmouth – Fingers crossed that Pujals continues to be the magic man.

[ngineer]

Fordham having the usual D issues as most of the PL. Bryant is not Anita. Getting more competitive. Sort of like a Monmouth. Not a bad team, but gets no respect for not having any real football tradition. Bryant, 35-31.

Hoyas got out-foxed last week which means they get 'lionized' this week. Columbia the gem of the island (Manhattan), 26-17

Going out on a limb and pick the Raiders. They have played up this year and the 'fur-men' are having a tough start their season. The long trip to the tundra does not do wonders. Raiders win 31-20.

SHU looked decent against Laughyette, but then who won't this year? Still, Bucky the same rough D and no O will keep it close but gets no cigar. SHU 24-16.

Tigger salivating. At what point do the scrubs get in? Princeton, 42-14.

As long as Pujals is healthy, the Cross will be favored. Tough on the road at Dartmouth, but I think the 'saders pull it our, 38-31.

The Penn is mightier than the sword, and Lehigh doesn't even come in with a butter knife. Mountain Hawks laying eggs all over the place. The roster says they will score, but not enough to match what the defense will be waving/flailing through the turnstiles. Basketball game may break out. Play this in the Palestra. Penn 55-45.

[carney2]

So, how is the League shaping up after three weeks? More or less in the order of finish predicted back in early August:

LEHIGH could still end up simply outscoring the rest of this sorryass bunch.

FORDHAM no longer looks like a contender.

COLGATE is unlike most of the others in that they apparently can play defense. Top two at the moment.

HOLY CROSS is coming on like a freight train after the UNH win. Can they keep it up? Can Pujals stay healthy?

BUCKNELL also plays some D. The rest of it is not ready for prime time.

GEORGETOWN was doomed from the get-go with its refusal to be competitive.

LAFAYETTE is D-3 and need not apply.

Comments?

[RichH2]

So, how is the League shaping up after three weeks? More or less in the order of finish predicted back in early August:

LEHIGH could still end up simply outscoring the rest of this sorryass bunch.

FORDHAM no longer looks like a contender.

COLGATE is unlike most of the others in that they apparently can play defense. Top two at the moment.

HOLY CROSS is coming on like a freight train after the UNH win. Can they keep it up? Can Pujals stay healthy?

BUCKNELL also plays some D. The rest of it is not ready for prime time.

GEORGETOWN was doomed from the get-go with its refusal to be competitive.

LAFAYETTE is D-3 and need not apply.

Comments?

Sadly accurate. Thoughts?? Nothing printable :)

[Sader87]

I posted this on the Fordham site (where they are having a "freak-out" too) last night. Things are not optimal for the PL right now but I don't think it's as dire overall as many are making it out to be:

League is off to an inauspicious start granted, but I don't think it's as dire as some here and elsewhere are making it out to be.

Lehigh: disappointing start but played Villanova tough...overall though, given preseason predictions, the biggest disappointment so far.

Colgate: 1-2 but won at Cal-Poly, played Richmond tough, lost to a decent FBS Buffalo.

Fordham: like Gate, 1-2 but aren't you pretty much where most thought you'd be record-wise given the schedule?

HC: probably the biggest surprise in nearly beating UConn and then beating UNH.

Bucknell: they are who they usually are....1-2, beat Marist badly lost to HC and W&M.

Lafayette: new coach etc... a disappointing 0-3 but basically where most probably thought they'd be

GTown: given the fact they aren't giving scholarships etc they are who they are.

Aside from Lehigh, I don't think most teams are really too far away from where most expected them at this juncture.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Fordham has been underachieving big time. Their defense is basically as bad as Lehigh's and their O-line is getting lit up. When you're scraping by CCSU you're likely not a Top 50 team.

[2ram]

for fordham at least, it's not the W/L column it's the PF and PA that are horrifying. that and average time to be scored upon. EW took an average of 77 seconds per scoring drive, and they scored 8 times.

think about that.

[Lehigh'98]

So, how is the League shaping up after three weeks? More or less in the order of finish predicted back in early August:

LEHIGH could still end up simply outscoring the rest of this sorryass bunch.

FORDHAM no longer looks like a contender.

COLGATE is unlike most of the others in that they apparently can play defense. Top two at the moment.

HOLY CROSS is coming on like a freight train after the UNH win. Can they keep it up? Can Pujals stay healthy?

BUCKNELL also plays some D. The rest of it is not ready for prime time.

GEORGETOWN was doomed from the get-go with its refusal to be competitive.

LAFAYETTE is D-3 and need not apply.

Comments?

I'm still not convinced the league knows how to properly recruit full scholarship players (aside from Moorehead). It's still the same coaches recruiting the same players. We may not see the full benefit with this group of coaches (not counting Garrett, unsure on Hunt).

[cx500d]

Pennsylvania
FORDHAM
GEORGETOWN
COLGATE
Sacred Heart
Princeton
HOLY CROSS

[LUHawker]

I'm still not convinced the league knows how to properly recruit full scholarship players (aside from Moorehead). It's still the same coaches recruiting the same players. We may not see the full benefit with this group of coaches (not counting Garrett, unsure on Hunt).

This gets my vote for PL post of the year. Same pre-schollie coaches (for the most part) doing the same thing.

Lafayette may have some hope, but we probably won't see it for at least 2 more years. Don't be fooled by HC's win over UNH, Gilmore should go. Coen should go. Susan should go and Hunt should go. Breiner gets another year before he should be shuttled out too. G'town is a perennial embarassment.

These guys all know how to recruit O guys, but not a clue on defense. Maybe Hunt has an inkling, but a league-wide house cleaning is in order.

[DFW HOYA]

Why does Georgetown struggle? A lack of any consistent offensive talent. The defense holds its own against every year and the offense does not. In three of the last four seasons (and seven of the last ten), Georgetown has averaged 15 or fewer points per game. In two of those seasons it was less than 10.

With this offense, 1-10 is not beyond question for Georgetown in 2017, after losing eight straight to end 2016.

Consider this: Since 2000, here are the total selections by school for 1st team All-PL on offense:

Colgate: 48
Lehigh: 48
Fordham: 45
Lafayette: 39
Holy Cross: 32
Bucknell: 15
Towson: 6
Georgetown 2

Of Georgetown's two selections, one was a MAAC recruit and the other was chosen as a return specialist, but was essentially a defensive player. Put another way, not a single Georgetown offensive recruit in 16 years has made the all-league team. Is the next Peter Pujals or Chase Edmonds walking through that door? You tell me.

[crusader11]

Why does Georgetown struggle? A lack of any consistent offensive talent. The defense holds its own against every year and the offense does not. In three of the last four seasons (and seven of the last ten), Georgetown has averaged 15 or fewer points per game. In two of those seasons it was less than 10.

With this offense, 1-10 is not beyond question for Georgetown in 2017, after losing eight straight to end 2016.

Consider this: Since 2000, here are the total selections by school for 1st team All-PL on offense:

Colgate: 48
Lehigh: 48
Fordham: 45
Lafayette: 39
Holy Cross: 32
Bucknell: 15
Towson: 6
Georgetown 2

Of Georgetown's two selections, one was a MAAC recruit and the other was chosen as a return specialist, but was essentially a defensive player. Put another way, not a single Georgetown offensive recruit in 16 years has made the all-league team. Is the next Peter Pujals or Chase Edmonds walking through that door? You tell me.

Yeah, that's pretty bad. So what's the solution?

Maybe Georgetown should actually make a commitment to football? What's the point of continuing to play in the PL? The scores are only going to get more lopsided.

[ngineer]

So, how is the League shaping up after three weeks? More or less in the order of finish predicted back in early August:

LEHIGH could still end up simply outscoring the rest of this sorryass bunch.

FORDHAM no longer looks like a contender.

COLGATE is unlike most of the others in that they apparently can play defense. Top two at the moment.

HOLY CROSS is coming on like a freight train after the UNH win. Can they keep it up? Can Pujals stay healthy?

BUCKNELL also plays some D. The rest of it is not ready for prime time.

GEORGETOWN was doomed from the get-go with its refusal to be competitive.

LAFAYETTE is D-3 and need not apply.

Comments?


Covered it pretty well, imo. True, Lehigh could pull a Lafayette of how many years ago when the 'pards went 0-6 in the OCC and won the league title finishing 5-6, but I'd rather not have that road to travel. November 18 could be a real Toilet Bowl.

[CHIP72]

Covered it pretty well, imo. True, Lehigh could pull a Lafayette of how many years ago when the 'pards went 0-6 in the OCC and won the league title finishing 5-6, but I'd rather not have that road to travel. November 18 could be a real Toilet Bowl.

Things are bad enough that I'm considering traveling to Mississippi to visit my brother on that day (and possibly see the Mercer/Alabama game after I get there) rather than watching L-L 153.

[CFBfan]

The league needs wholesale changes with their head coaches

[Lehigh'98]

The league needs wholesale changes with their head coaches

I don't agree with you on much, but if we ever want to be taken seriously as a national contending FCS conference, you are correct. We will just be spinning our wheels in the meantime.

[Neighbor2]

In Lehigh's case, I believe the football program needs a DRAMATIC makeover. Yes, that includes a new Head Coach. Allow the new coach to determine who, if anyone, stays on as Assistant. The new Head Coach NOT to be someone currently on staff. If attracting a better pool of coaching applicants requires higher salaries and benefits, so be it. Compete!

But, there are other issues to improve, too. The stadium experience is not nearly exciting as it should be. Fans are too far back from the sidelines, but that should have been obvious from the beginning. A huge video board would help. A wide, concrete walkway from the Stabler area to the football stadium, with benches along the way, would be great. Newly designed player uniforms, for sure. Of course, better treatment of students who attend, much more frequent bus transportation over the mountain and back. Serious local event marketing is missing.

Lehigh football is just STALE. Not sure the school administration even cares. Basketball suffers, too.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Here's how I see it. I don't expect this to be popular.

The Patriot League is getting good top-line players. I mean, jeez, Chase Edmonds is a once-in-a-generation talent. Lehigh has had some really good receivers, but as a unit, the current group is the best I've ever seen. Pujals is an elite QB when healthy - ask New Hampshire. Colgate is well coached and has rebuilt their defense from a leaky sieve to a solid team that can compete against any FCS school in the nation. So those of you trying to imply that the players are less good than the rest of FCS - get real. I am certain the next Chase Edmonds and Pete Pujals are attending PL schools right now.

The PL right now is suffering from two things right now.

One is depth. Fordham is showing that, if you put most or all of your chips on one star player and he goes down, that will have a humongous impact. I feel like the better CAA teams have way more depth than PL teams overall. JMU could lose their starting QB but still could compete for a national championship. There are other examples too if you bother to look around - James Holland for Colgate, Pujals for Cross last year. Those were enormous injuries.

The second is non-contact practices to start the year. I think the scourge of poor tackling, etc, at least at Lehigh, is partially due to the fact that drills are now much less contact than the past. When teams start out with little/poor contact, it's going to take a few games to get them up to speed on defense. I don't think it's any coincidence that Colgate, who played a Week 0 game, is miles ahead of the rest of the league. Granted, yes, they played Cal Poly tough on defense anyway, but they got up to mid-season speed on defense way quicker thanks to that game.

My suggestions to improve competitiveness would be: Up to 63 scholarships, redshirting, relaxing practice contact rules.

[Sader87]

I realize HC is sort of the outlier in the league right now, but I don't think we've been this deep or more aggressive on D since we had scholarships in the 1980s.

One game does not a season make obviously....let's see how this week (and the rest of the season) plays out.

I still believe there's a lot of "hair on fire" around the PL that can basically be explained away thusly:

Lehigh, a disappointment so fah, no question.
Fordham, growing pains aftah Moorhead left for Happy Valley, Edmonds and others injured, tough sked so fah.
Colgate, playing pretty well...haven't really lost a game they were supposed to and probably won one they weren't supposed to.
Bucknell, no offense....sound familar?
Lafayette, new coach etc
GTown, no scholarships.

Of course HC could get smoked by the Indians in Hangovah this week and I'll be joining you guys in your misery :)

[Bluefish845]

Penn
Fordham
Columbia
Furman
Sacred Heart
Princeton
Holy Cross

[TheValleyRaider]

3-4 last week. I go out of town for one weekend, and stuff gets weird. 13-6 for the season, time to bounce back.

Pennsylvania at Lehigh Pennsylvania Going out on a limb a bit with the Hawks. I don't actually foresee this team going 3-8, but then again sometimes those seasons happen. With the game at home, I almost did pick Lehigh, but right now they haven't shown enough to suggest they could take down an Ivy contender.

Fordham at Bryant Fordham While the Rams have not looked particularly good to this point, their two big losses are to an FBS and a potential FCS contender. This, though, is a bit of a gutcheck for the Rams. If they really are a Patriot League contender, this is a game they should win.

Georgetown at Columbia Columbia Tough loss for the Hoyas, same old song on offense. Are the Lions actually good? Probably not. Are they competent, and capable of outscoring Georgetown? A win over Wagner suggests they are.

Furman at Colgate Colgate Raiders took one on the chin, and while losing to an FBS is never really that bad, this was one people thought they might have a shot at. I don't see how Furman's defense could match up with what the 'Gate has seen from Richmond and Buffalo, though Breneman is going to need to show a little more too. If Colgate is in the upper level of the League (and their win isn't looking great so far), they should beat a team with one winning season in the last 5 years.

Sacred Heart at Bucknell Bucknell The Bison are what we thought they were: a good defense mixed with an offense that struggles, if not quite at the level of Georgetown. The Pioneers do have a nice romp over Lafayette already under their belts, but I'm going to feel optimistic for the moment and take Bucknell at home.

Princeton at Lafayette Princeton I feel compelled to say something about this game, but what is there to add? Good Lafayette teams struggle to beat Princeton. This iteration? It would be very "Lafayette" of them to do so, but, well, prove it.

Holy Cross at Dartmouth Holy Cross Am I buying the Crusaders? I think I'm buying the Crusaders. It'll be a big step for them to keep the momentum going after a huge win like they just had. This bunch was pantsed by Dartmouth a year ago, which might be enough to keep the focus. Patriot League favorites win games against Ivies, even the top ones.

[Gangtackle11]

Pennsylvania @ LEHIGH - Quakers 49-48
FORDHAM @ Bryant - Rams 45-14
GEORGETOWN @ Columbia - Lions 21-14
Furman @ COLGATE - Raiders 27-17
Sacred Heart @ BUCKNELL - Pioneers 20-17
Princeton @ LAFAYETTE - Tigers 35-10
HOLY CROSS @ Dartmouth - Crusaders 28-17

Last Week: 4-3 Season: 13-6

[The Pud]

Pennsylvania @ LEHIGH - Quakers 49-48
FORDHAM @ Bryant - Rams 45-14
GEORGETOWN @ Columbia - Lions 21-14
Furman @ COLGATE - Raiders 27-17
Sacred Heart @ BUCKNELL - Pioneers 20-17
Princeton @ LAFAYETTE - Tigers 35-10
HOLY CROSS @ Dartmouth - Crusaders 28-17

Last Week: 4-3 Season: 13-6



Solid picks. I agree.

[ColgateTD]

The league needs wholesale changes with their head coaches

Don't think you should include Coach Hunt in this assessment. He has only 2 seasons under his belt and has shown he can turn things around as OC. I'd give hm another 2-3 seasons before an honest judgment can be given. This may be a homer speaking, but I think many of you will agree. :)

[van]

Don't think you should include Coach Hunt in this assessment. He has only 2 seasons under his belt and has shown he can turn things around as OC. I'd give hm another 2-3 seasons before an honest judgment can be given. This may be a homer speaking, but I think many of you will agree. :)
same with Hoyas, he is doing a lot with a little

[crusader11]

Colgate -3 v. Furman

Lafayette +24 v. Princeton

Fordham -6 at Bryant

Lehigh +2.5 v. Pennsylvania

Georgetown +7.5 at Columbia

Holy Cross -2.5 at Dartmouth

Bucknell -3 v. Sacred Heart

[van]

Pennsylvania @ LEHIGH, Penn RBs salivating

FORDHAM @ Bryant, Rams right the ship this week

GEORGETOWN @ Columbia, Hoyas D keep lions at bay

Furman @ COLGATE, Gate gets just enough O to pull it out at home

Sacred Heart @ BUCKNELL, see Gate

Princeton @ LAFAYETTE, could be an ugly affair

HOLY CROSS @ Dartmouth, with Petey healthy the Crossers are very solid team

[CFBfan]

I don't disagree with you on hunt or sgarlata however this is hunts 1st year with no biddle recruits on the roster and, well we`ll see also hunt had 3 year's to find the next qb....so far not very pretty! Went from Sullivan to McCarney to Melville very smoothly but now it's not looking so good

[the last indian]

I don't disagree with you on hunt or sgarlata however this is hunts 1st year with no biddle recruits on the roster and, well we`ll see also hunt had 3 year's to find the next qb....so far not very pretty! Went from Sullivan to McCarney to Melville very smoothly but now it's not looking so good
I actually think Hunt has recruited pretty well. But this is a young team, particularly at QB, so hopefully the kids will improve. We played with a frosh QB, wide out, and TB (alternating with a soph). Also have a number of injuries of key players with experience. Hopefully there is enough to handle the Paladins, a team we lost to twice in the PL pre scholarship days. So the game maybe somewhat of a benchmark.

[BucBisonAtLarge]

16-3- Non-con luck?
Penn
Fordham
Colgate
Columbia
Bucknell
Princeton
Holy Cross
No comments this week. In the OOC season, I am pulling for the PL sides, and it bugs me when I can't pick them.

[CFBfan]

I actually think Hunt has recruited pretty well. But this is a young team, particularly at QB, so hopefully the kids will improve. We played with a frosh QB, wide out, and TB (alternating with a soph). Also have a number of injuries of key players with experience. Hopefully there is enough to handle the Paladins, a team we lost to twice in the PL pre scholarship days. So the game maybe somewhat of a benchmark.

i get that BUT hunt had 3 years as HC to recruit a capable "next in line qb" and i'm not so sure that he didint 3 games that position has done nothing
look at the 1st 3 - 4 games of the 3 qb's that came before (sullivan, mccarney & melville) it did not look this bleak

[Colgate Raider Redux]

I actually think Hunt has recruited pretty well. But this is a young team, particularly at QB, so hopefully the kids will improve. We played with a frosh QB, wide out, and TB (alternating with a soph). Also have a number of injuries of key players with experience. Hopefully there is enough to handle the Paladins, a team we lost to twice in the PL pre scholarship days. So the game maybe somewhat of a benchmark.

The idea of a ( PL ) league-wide dumping of coaches doesn't accurately reflect the diversity of coach-institution/institutional-community-relarions around the league. Hunt was a valued assistant and offensive coordinator at 'gare before gearing the Head Coaching endowed chair. Colgate does not have a rabid fan base interested in second-guessing Hunts decisions over short time frames. He also has slack because the current alignment of the football program's long term objectives and commitment to tradition by the administration, BOT, and major program boosters is the best it has ever been.

[crusader11]

Andy Coen says it's "back to the drawing board" -- http://lehighsports.com/news/2017/9/20/football-lehigh-sports-central-coen-discusses-teams-early-challenges-preps-for-penn.aspx

[RichH2]

Andy Coen says it's "back to the drawing board" -- http://lehighsports.com/news/2017/9/20/football-lehigh-sports-central-coen-discusses-teams-early-challenges-preps-for-penn.aspx
Andy nailed it early. Yale outcoached us with a new option O and new D packages. Totally on staff. Poor tackling an issue as usual but evident D clueless more often as to Yale plays.

[Go...gate]

The idea of a ( PL ) league-wide dumping of coaches doesn't accurately reflect the diversity of coach-institution/institutional-community-relarions around the league. Hunt was a valued assistant and offensive coordinator at 'gare before gearing the Head Coaching endowed chair. Colgate does not have a rabid fan base interested in second-guessing Hunts decisions over short time frames. He also has slack because the current alignment of the football program's long term objectives and commitment to tradition by the administration, BOT, and major program boosters is the best it has ever been.

Yes. Certainly since before the Langdon presidency, nearly forty years ago.

[TheValleyRaider]

i get that BUT hunt had 3 years as HC to recruit a capable "next in line qb" and i'm not so sure that he didint 3 games that position has done nothing
look at the 1st 3 - 4 games of the 3 qb's that came before (sullivan, mccarney & melville) it did not look this bleak

This feels a bit like judging the entirety of his coaching career on a single player, which feels like reliable than measuring other accomplishments. Like, say, a League title and quarterfinal run.

[Gate83]

This feels a bit like judging the entirety of his coaching career on a single player, which feels like reliable than measuring other accomplishments. Like, say, a League title and quarterfinal run.

Yeah, too early to judge on Coach Hunt (who I like a lot). He gets slack for the year 1 title, as even if you call them "Biddle's players" he had a lot to do with recruiting them. Last year Melville was never 100% but played the whole season so to say Hunt hasn't developed a qb... I'll give him more than 3 games.

[carney2]

Andy Coen says it's "back to the drawing board"

Not a good sign. That was one of Frank Tavani's favorite sayings after each loss - and, God knows, there were a lot of those.

[Lehigh'98]

Not a good sign. That was one of Frank Tavani's favorite sayings after each loss - and, God knows, there were a lot of those.

If you listen to Coen talk in interviews, he doesn't seem like he has a solution. There is a lack of intensity in his voice. Having known him for so long, it's concerning because that was never a problem for him.

[Neighbor2]

There really IS a disconnect within the Lehigh football program. Has been for several years. It obvious to all but the most loyal, excuse-filled, graduates. Coen and Sterrett have an 'air' about them (as seen in their performance) as simply riding out their careers. No, I've never met either individual., but was a long-ago student, a donor who attended athletic events for 55 years.

Football, in particular, is in need of a full overhaul. An entirely new look, feel, and sense of purpose. There's no zip, just complacency. Where's the electricity for fans to feed from? The entire experience has become too ho-hum. Unfortunate all around.

[RichH2]

If you listen to Coen talk in interviews, he doesn't seem like he has a solution. There is a lack of intensity in his voice. Having known him for so long, it's concerning because that was never a problem for him.

Doesnt seem to be the issue here. Andy still quite definite with players and in particular his staff. He will not hang them out in public . We got caught by Yale staff changing their O and D packages. The inability of our staff to successfly adapt to those surprises is troubling .

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Penn At Lehigh Game Preview: Game May Be A Receiving Showcase, Justin Watson vs. Troy Pelletier:

https://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2017/09/penn-at-lehigh-game-preview-potential.html

[The Pud]

Any word on Donavon Harris injury? Will he play in Sat Lehigh game?

[DFW HOYA]

Football, in particular, is in need of a full overhaul. An entirely new look, feel, and sense of purpose. There's no zip, just complacency. Where's the electricity for fans to feed from? The entire experience has become too ho-hum. Unfortunate all around.

Isn't that the case across the entire league?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Any word on Donavon Harris injury? Will he play in Sat Lehigh game?

He is recuperating but will not play on Saturday. About all that is known about it is, last Saturday he got a knee to the helmet, a freaky accident, and then he was face-down on the turf for 5 minutes and had to be put in an ambulance. Since then multiple people have come forth have said he's OK and recuperating, but as of now he's out for this week's game.

[bulldog10jw]

He is recuperating but will not play on Saturday. About all that is known about it is, last Saturday he got a knee to the helmet, a freaky accident, and then he was face-down on the turf for 5 minutes and had to be put in an ambulance. Since then multiple people have come forth have said he's OK and recuperating, but as of now he's out for this week's game.

No Yale "cheap shots" this year ?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

No Yale "cheap shots" this year ?

That was the infamous 2014 game, and since then, Lehigh has suffered two scary injuries vs. Yale that had nothing to do with cheap shots, just freaky football plays. I saw the tackle - Harris did everything right, leading with the shoulder, and Yale's TE didn't do anything wrong, just his leg lost balance and it hit Donavon in the helmet.

[Spider from the North]

Pennsylvania @ LEHIGH
FORDHAM @ Bryant
GEORGETOWN @ Columbia
Furman @ COLGATE
Sacred Heart @ BUCKNELL
Princeton @ LAFAYETTE
HOLY CROSS @ Dartmouth

[crusader11]

5-2 last week and 13-6 on the season:

Lehigh
Fordham
Columbia
Colgate
Bucknell
Princeton
Holy Cross

[Doc QB]

If you listen to Coen talk in interviews, he doesn't seem like he has a solution. There is a lack of intensity in his voice. Having known him for so long, it's concerning because that was never a problem for him.
I wonder if he just experienced enough to know despite having the horses on O, the problem on defense wont be fixed in a year, and there is a long season to go. One with high expectations. He wants to win, and maybe he sees this a a big problem without solution. Yale throwing some different looks at us shouldnt be that big a deal, know your keys, assignments, make tackles. Not like we prepared for wishbone and got run and shoot, right?

[RichH2]

I wonder if he just experienced enough to know despite having the horses on O, the problem on defense wont be fixed in a year, and there is a long season to go. One with high expectations. He wants to win, and maybe he sees this a a big problem without solution. Yale throwing some different looks at us shouldnt be that big a deal, know your keys, assignments, make tackles. Not like we prepared for wishbone and got run and shoot, right?

Agree. A new run option O instead of their normal spread a big difference. We have faced those before. Bothers me that neither players nor coaches could quickly adapt to it. Is our 4-2-5 structure so rigid ? Get 1st period confusion not 2nd half repeat.

[Neighbor2]

Isn't that the case across the entire league?

Yes, this year in particular. MUCH too patient with coaches. I realize this isn't the SEC where you either get 8 wins per season or you're on the hot seat, but mediocrity in this league seems to be sufficient. I would have replaced Coen and Company right after that awful Yankee Stadium display. Maybe someone will explain why Lehigh fans should feel optimistic about the near future. I get it, Lehigh can still win the league this year. That's kinda a 'so what?' right now.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Yes, this year in particular. MUCH too patient with coaches. I realize this isn't the SEC where you either get 8 wins per season or you're on the hot seat, but mediocrity in this league seems to be sufficient. I would have replaced Coen and Company right after that awful Yankee Stadium display. Maybe someone will explain why Lehigh fans should feel optimistic about the near future. I get it, Lehigh can still win the league this year. That's kinda a 'so what?' right now.

I don't know about you, but winning the PL and getting b2b championships sounds pretty damn good as a goal this year to me.

Why be optimistic? Lehigh has one of the best receiving tandems in the FCS, if not college football, Dom, when healthy, is a tremndous running back and when everything is firing and Mayes is mixing the run and pass, there is no better offense in the Patriot League and they might have one of the best in FCS.

The defense doesn't need to carry the team. If they get a few early stops the offense is powerful enough to steamroll an awful lot of defenses, and certainly most of the defenses they will face in the League. That said, they need to get more physical on defense and absolutely need to be in position and tackle better - no team can survive breakdowns like that. No team can have a shootout every week and fall behind by 2 scores every week and expect to win.

If Andy can turn around the D even just a little bit, Lehigh has a chance to be PL champions and back in the FCS playoffs. If they can do it, I'll take that any year.

[Lehigh'98]

I don't know about you, but winning the PL and getting b2b championships sounds pretty damn good as a goal this year to me.

Why be optimistic? Lehigh has one of the best receiving tandems in the FCS, if not college football, Dom, when healthy, is a tremndous running back and when everything is firing and Mayes is mixing the run and pass, there is no better offense in the Patriot League and they might have one of the best in FCS.

The defense doesn't need to carry the team. If they get a few early stops the offense is powerful enough to steamroll an awful lot of defenses, and certainly most of the defenses they will face in the League. That said, they need to get more physical on defense and absolutely need to be in position and tackle better - no team can survive breakdowns like that. No team can have a shootout every week and fall behind by 2 scores every week and expect to win.

If Andy can turn around the D even just a little bit, Lehigh has a chance to be PL champions and back in the FCS playoffs. If they can do it, I'll take that any year.

We got that last year and a PL title is always great. It's always been one of the main goals of the program. At some point though you want to compete and beat the best. Some years we have, but we are five years into a very concerning trend. The UNH loss took a lot of shine off of last season knowing we could win against weaker teams but couldn't step up to next level.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

We got that last year and a PL title is always great. It's always been one of the main goals of the program. At some point though you want to compete and beat the best. Some years we have, but we are five years into a very concerning trend. The UNH loss took a lot of shine off of last season knowing we could win against weaker teams but couldn't step up to next level.

I agree completely. I do have as an aspiration for Lehigh football to compete consistently with the CAA and make runs in the FCS playoffs and have Lehigh be the team nobody ever wants to face. But the chance to be that program this year has passed with the losses to Monmouth and Yale. At this point, for Lehigh it's a game-by-game thing, first up, beat Penn this weekend and see what happens. Talking about legacy and competitiveness with the rest of FCS seems like a luxury for a team with expectations. Lehigh has no expectations right now.

[Go...gate]

Lehigh 32, Penn 28

Fordham 33, Bryant 24

Georgetown 16, Columbia 13

Furman 22, Colgate 20

Sacred Heart 14, Bucknell 10

Princeton 27, Lafayette 16

Dartmouth 23, Holy Cross 20

[CFBfan]

We got that last year and a PL title is always great. It's always been one of the main goals of the program. At some point though you want to compete and beat the best. Some years we have, but we are five years into a very concerning trend. The UNH loss took a lot of shine off of last season knowing we could win against weaker teams but couldn't step up to next level.

winning the league was a nice "ultimate goal" pre scholarship but now 5 years into schol's simply winning league games/the league is far too small a goal, so is littering your schedule with creampuffs

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Game Breakdown and Fearless Prediction:


http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2017/09/penn-at-lehigh-game-breakdown-and.html


Penn's running game scares me.

[RichH2]

Lehigh Not a reasonable pick but I find I cannot ever pick Penn. Not optimistic but hopeful :)

Fordham A game to right their ship
Columbia Hoyas couldnt score on Marist, no reason why they will vs Lions
Gate. Know little of Furman but rooting for Gate to get an OOC W for PL.
Bucknell. Cant score but they should be able to keep Sacred from doing so either :)
Princeton. Pards can rarely beat Tigers when they have a good team.

Cross. Dartmouth will determine whether Crusaders will contend or just be an exciting spoiler.

[citdog]

If Colgate were to beat furman that would be the very best thing Colgate has ever done.


furman sucks

[Lehigh Football Nation]

If Colgate were to beat furman that would be the very best thing Colgate has ever done.


furman sucks

Going down to FAU and burning through Howard Schnellenberger's team like Sherman through Atlanta was pretty damn great

[Go...gate]

Going down to FAU and burning through Howard Schnellenberger's team like Sherman through Atlanta was pretty damn great

That was a great win.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The Wedge's preview

http://thefcswedge.com/uncategorized/patriot-league-week-4-preview-2/

[Leopard Loyalist]

Dismal 4-3 last week. 13-6 on the season.

Pennsylvania @ LEHIGH
FORDHAM @ Bryant
GEORGETOWN @ Columbia
Furman @ COLGATE
Sacred Heart @ BUCKNELL
Princeton @ LAFAYETTE
HOLY CROSS @ Dartmouth

[CHIP72]

Going down to FAU and burning through Howard Schnellenberger's team like Sherman through Atlanta was pretty damn great


That was a great win.

Which one - Colgate beating Florida Atlantic, or Sherman capturing Atlanta and marching through Georgia? (I wanted to ask on citdog's behalf.)

[Lehigh'98]

I will just fade the entire league this week. Pretty sure that will get me at least a winning record.

[PAllen]

Dismal 4-3 last week. 13-6 on the season.

Pennsylvania @ LEHIGH
FORDHAM @ Bryant
GEORGETOWN @ Columbia
Furman @ COLGATE
Sacred Heart @ BUCKNELL
Princeton @ LAFAYETTE
HOLY CROSS @ Dartmouth

These sounds about right.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Penn
Fordham
Holy Cross
Columbia
Colgate
Bucknell
Princeton

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Lehigh
Fordham - Chase back
Columbia
Colgate
Bucknell
Princeton
Dartmouth - hope I'm wrong, but classic trap game scenario

[Lehigh'98]

Defense is still embarrassing 14-7

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Defense is still embarrassing 14-7

Just about to post the same thing....

[Lehigh'98]

14-14 offense hanging tough.3:18 1st. Under looks like bad bet

[CHIP72]

Still tied between Lehigh and Penn, but now it is 21-21.

This game has a good chance of being the highest scoring game I’ve attended in person. My personal record is 95 points (2 OT game), or 90 points for a game ending in regulation.


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[Lehigh'98]

Track meet 21-21. 11:10 2nd. Curious of total yards combined record at Goodman. Might get tested today

[CHIP72]

Lehigh with INTs on back to back possessions after forcing the first punt of the game; Penn then responds with 2 TDs. Penn up 35-21 with 3:43 left in the 2nd quarter.


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[CHIP72]

Still tied between Lehigh and Penn, but now it is 21-21.

This game has a good chance of being the highest scoring game I’ve attended in person. My personal record is 95 points (2 OT game), or 90 points for a game ending in regulation.

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I should note I’m talking about college games only; I attended an NFL playoff game where there were 95 points scored in regulation. (You NFL historians who are knowledgeable about my rooting interests can probably figure out which game that was.)


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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Anyone know what the PL record is for most points surrendered in a year? I have to imagine this year's Lehigh team will make a strong run at it....

[citdog]

Anyone know what the PL record is for most points surrendered in a year? I have to imagine this year's Lehigh team will make a strong run at it....

"le high is top ten" you said....

[PAllen]

These officials are terrible and the only reason Lehigh's still in this game. The second half could be ugly if the zebras try to even out their calls.

[CHIP72]

The Lehigh efense did force the only punt of the 1st half, and shutout Penn on the Quakers’ last 1st half possession.


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[RichH2]

Watching D it is clear that this 4-2-5 not taking hold. LBs particularly but all to an extent are missing reads assignments. LBs hesitating on some plays jumping on others on misreads. Both are missing their gaps on run coverage. Learning new scheme on the fly never easy but this level of error after 3 games is ridiculous.
Incredible pressure on O. Mayes 1 bad INT and 1 tipped pass and Penn scores easily on both. A winning record would be a miracle if D continues at this level. Ugh.

[cx500d]

Does Lehigh even play defense?

[crusader11]

Cancel the Lehigh defense. Penn is going to put up 70+ this afternoon.

[Franks Tanks]

Does Lehigh even play defense?

Penn up 42-28 with 12 minutes left in the 3rd. Colgate down 38 zip at the half, and Fordham struggling with an awful Bryant team. Good god the league is bad, and we will get the Pards butt whooping later this evening.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The Colgate performance is pathetic. The lack of QB was going to catch up with them but that's beyond ugly...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Lehigh after Penn muffs a punt!

42-35 9:38 3Q

[Franks Tanks]

Penn has a awful turnover on a punt muff, and a quick Lehigh score. If Lehigh can actually get a stop or two they have a chance.

[DFW HOYA]

Columbia 21
Georgetown 0
Halftime

QB Tim Barnes knocked out in 1st quarter. Since then, Georgetown has a total of nine yards.

Yes, it's Columbia, but Georgetown has never come back from a 21 point deficit in the PL era.

[RichH2]

Penn has a awful turnover on a punt muff, and a quick Lehigh score. If Lehigh can actually get a stop or two they have a chance.
Our 1st points off a TO this year. Our D get a stop?? We'll need Penn mistakes on O to help there I'm afraid.

[PAllen]

Lehigh's team has just given up. I'm not sure how we beat anyone who cares at this point. I feel bad for Dom. He's a heck of a player stuck on a team that just isn't there.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh should recovered a Penn fumble but the ref was oblivious and but they don't review it. Then two plays later Watson goes 54 yards for a TD...

Penn 49-35 6:00 3Q

[CHIP72]

Penn scores again - now 49-35 Quakers with 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.


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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh's team has just given up. I'm not sure how we beat anyone who cares at this point. I feel bad for Dom. He's a heck of a player stuck on a team that just isn't there.

The effort on Watson's TD was atrocious....

[Lehigh'98]

I don't think I can watch anymore of this 49-35 Penn. The defense has given up.

[DFW HOYA]

Lehigh's team has just given up. I'm not sure how we beat anyone who cares at this point.

Don't worry. We have NINE YARDS in a quarter versus Columbia. (Did I say NINE YARDS?)

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26108&stc=1

[crusader11]

Licking my chops watching the PL teams through three weeks and part of week four...

[RichH2]

The effort on Watson's TD was atrocious....

Worse than that. So pathetic. D done. Zero confidence . No fire. Just going thru the motions.
Sad for all on O. Just not faif that regardless of how well they play the team cannot win.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Penn D makes a stop! Holds Lehigh on 4th and goal. The Quakers can put the nail in the coffin on this drive...

[PAllen]

Don't worry. We have NINE YARDS in a quarter versus Columbia. (Did I say NINE YARDS?)

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26108&stc=1

That's OK, we'll fix that for you. Our opponents tend to average more than that per play.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Penn 49 Lehigh 35 End 3Q

Penn is driving to start the 4th quarter. How can the defensive staff remain intact?

[PAllen]

Licking my chops watching the PL teams through three weeks and part of week four...

Definitely Holy Cross' year if they want it.

[CHIP72]

Penn D makes a stop! Holds Lehigh on 4th and goal. The Quakers can put the nail in the coffin on this drive...

If only the Lehigh offense could be paired with the Temple defense, GLTUOwl.


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[PAllen]

Penn 49 Lehigh 35 End 3Q

Penn is driving to start the 4th quarter. How can the defensive staff remain intact?

The same way this debacle has been allowed to continue year after year while continuing to slide into this.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh gives up 200+ rushing yards to a backup RB!! Woohooo!!

[PAllen]

If only the Lehigh offense could be paired with the Temple defense, GLTUOwl.


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Or Bucknell's. Cecchini as HC/OC and Susan as DC/Assoc HC.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh gives up half-a-hundred and there's still time!!

Penn 56-35 12:13 4Q

Embrace the patheticness!!!

[CFBfan]

Worse than that. So pathetic. D done. Zero confidence . No fire. Just going thru the motions.
Sad for all on O. Just not faif that regardless of how well they play the team cannot win.

that is absolutely attributable to POOR COACHING!!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

On 2nd and goal from the 5 Mayes is picked in the end zone....

[DFW HOYA]

More PL scores:

Fordham 27
Bryant 24
mid 3rd

Columbia 21
Georgetown 0
early 3rd

Furman 45
Colgate 7
mid 3rd

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The INT is overturned because the ball hits the ground. Lehigh scores a TD. This will force Penn to hit 60....

Penn 56-41 (blocked XP) 9:21 4Q

[Neighbor2]

that is absolutely attributable to POOR COACHING!!


I agree. I'm not the least bit unhappy with the players. They are doing what they can with what the "pros" prepared for them in 2017.

An ENTIRELY new outlook on Lehigh football is the only decision to make. Pitiful home attendance agrees. What a shame.

[DFW HOYA]

Since Barnes' injury, Hoyas down to six total yards. Six.

Why can't Georgetown ever recruit offensive talent?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Blatant missed holding call costs Lehigh a stop on 3rd down.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh gives up 60! 30s in the first game, 40s in the 2nd, 50s in the 3rd now 60s in the 4th. Wagner has to be excited!!

Penn 63 Lehigh 41 5:25 4Q

[Lehigh'98]

Officially the worst loss I've seen from my school. Not from a score standpoint but effort isn't there.

[CHIP72]

Penn returns the LU 2 point attempt for 2 points of their own. It is now 65-47 Quakers with about 3 minutes left.


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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Bryant takes the lead on Fordham

38-34 11:48 4Q

[crusader11]

Officially the worst loss I've seen from my school. Not from a score standpoint but effort isn't there.

59-10 in 2007 was worse, no?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The Bulldogs strike again! The Ram defense is really making a strong case for the league's worst! Bryant just broke their program's record for yards in the game. Still plenty of time left!!

Bryant 45 Fordham 34 10:30 4Q

[citdog]

The Bulldogs strike again! The Ram defense is really making a strong case for the league's worst! Bryant just broke their program's record for yards in the game. Still plenty of time left!!

Bryant 45 Fordham 34 10:30 4Q

I think giving up 65 to an ivy league team makes le high the worst D...

[RichH2]

I agree. I'm not the least bit unhappy with the players. They are doing what they can with what the "pros" prepared for them in 2017.

An ENTIRELY new outlook on Lehigh football is the only decision to make. Pitiful home attendance agrees. What a shame.

Players seem clueless so far in this new system. On coaches. Effort there in 1st half. Clear kids just gave up in 2nd.
In my close to 60 years Ive seen a lot of really bad D from Lehigh. Never this bad. Thought a few years back that D couldnt get any worse. I was wrong.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Penn 65 Lehigh 47 Final

Penn 615 total yards
Penn 366 Rushing Yards
Penn Back-up RB Karekin Brooks 29 carries 268 yards 3 TD 9.2 average

[RichH2]

Officially the worst loss I've seen from my school. Not from a score standpoint but effort isn't there.

Effort there on O. D ?? Well there was in the 1st half. They just gave up in the 3rd. D is a fiasco. Bandaids will not fix this mess.

[DFW HOYA]

Both teams picking up easy points in garbage time. But this is a "no contest".

Columbia 35
Georgetown 14
7:32 4th

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Furman 45 Colgate 14 Final

The Raiders offense is nearly as bad as Lehigh's and Fordham's defense. They're not headed anywhere this season either...

[gofurman]

These sounds about right.

Don't you recall when Furman crushed Lehigh in the playoffs years ago. And we beat Colgate in 08 and 10 with poor Furman team. Not talking crap.. there is just a difference in SoCon football. I watched and listened to this game today. The 'Gate had no answers today. They were confused and outmanned.

Yet I am sure people will pick against Furman again in 5 years...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Bryant takes down Fordham!!

45-40 Bulldogs!!

Has the league ever been THIS bad? Outside of HC I'm not sure if there's another team in the top 50% of FCS.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Columbia 21
Georgetown 0
Halftime

QB Tim Barnes knocked out in 1st quarter. Since then, Georgetown has a total of nine yards.

Yes, it's Columbia, but Georgetown has never come back from a 21 point deficit in the PL era.

You may have to wait for Lehigh to have a Georgetown player for that. Also, your QB might be PL Offensive Player of the Week, too, a first for the Hoyas.

[bulldog10jw]

Penn returns the LU 2 point attempt for 2 points of their own. It is now 65-47 Quakers with about 3 minutes left.


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If Lehigh had made their free throws this game would have been much closer.

[DFW HOYA]

You may have to wait for Lehigh to have a Georgetown player for that. Also, your QB might be PL Offensive Player of the Week, too, a first for the Hoyas.

Which one, the one knocked out in the first quarter or the one with nine yards at the half?

[CHIP72]

Penn 65 Lehigh 47 Final

Penn 615 total yards
Penn 366 Rushing Yards
Penn Back-up RB Karekin Brooks 29 carries 268 yards 3 TD 9.2 average

It should be noted Lehigh gained 552 yards and passed for 444 yards.


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[RichH2]

It should be noted Lehigh gained 552 yards and passed for 444 yards.


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Yeah likely we'll avg 40+ from here on out. We could be 0-11 with best O in FCS. Gotta feel for O guys knowing that D will just give up tons of points each week.

[DFW HOYA]

Georgetown rushing against Columbia: 22 carries, 15 yards. For the season, that's an average of 58 yards per game.

Harvard and Princeton await.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Georgetown rushing against Columbia: 22 carries, 15 yards. For the season, that's an average of 58 yards per game.

Harvard and Princeton await.

They'll find their mojo against Lehigh's D. Player of the Week

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Georgetown rushing against Columbia: 22 carries, 15 yards. For the season, that's an average of 58 yards per game.

Harvard and Princeton await.

Check Lafayette's an Bucknell's rushing stats for the year through 3 games. Lafayette's at 9 ypg..

[RichH2]

Until we get much much better OOC we have morphed into the Patsy League. Hell we were better pre schollie than we are this year.

[Southsider]

I liked Penn's creative play calls! Jump pass for TD, option plays on 3rd downs, throwback pass which used to be an LU trademark. This O has no imagination. Very predictable. Does Joe have the cajonies to end this nightmare???

[RichH2]

Penn 65 Lehigh 47 Final

Penn 615 total yards
Penn 366 Rushing Yards
Penn Back-up RB Karekin Brooks 29 carries 268 yards 3 TD 9.2 average


Yeah fun stats altho to be fair you should quote ours too.
Most telling stat otherwise 1 punt by each team.

[CFBfan]

so far the 3 scholarship D's have give up 155 points: 45, 45 & 65 (Hoyas gave up 35) This is a disgrace! either need to bring in coaches that know what they're doing or get rid of the schollies

[Southsider]

I vote to get rid of the entire staff. Just think how many yards Navy will ring up on the ground! I think LU should forfeit to avoid the embarrassment.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Lafayette up on Princeton 7-3 at the end of the 1st quarter. I've forgotten what it feels like for a team to hold a Division I offense to a field goal in the span of a quarter.

[DFW HOYA]

Georgetown rushing against Columbia: 22 carries, 15 yards. For the season, that's an average of 58 yards per game.
Harvard and Princeton await.

Need to correct my earlier post. That's 22 carries, 2 yards.

http://www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2017-2018/gu03.html

[The Pud]

I vote to get rid of the entire staff. Just think how many yards Navy will ring up on the ground! I think LU should forfeit to avoid the embarrassment.


+8

[Lehigh'98]

I will just fade the entire league this week. Pretty sure that will get me at least a winning record.

Need Bucknell or HC to keep me from going undefeated

[RichH2]

Need Bucknell or HC to keep me from going undefeated

Well an upside for smart pickers at least :) :)

[Lehigh'98]

59-10 in 2007 was worse, no?

Maybe but I didn't see that one. Getting your ass kicked by a better team is one thing, but completely capitulating without a whimper is different. That's what I saw today from the defense and coaches (saw 1 coach even try to get the guys going on sidelines)

[DFW HOYA]

HC scores on 4th down and 0:03 left, but the PAT was blocked.

Crusaders 20
Indians 20
OT

[Lehigh'98]

HC scores on 4th down and 0:03 left, but the PAT was blocked.

Crusaders 20
Indians 20
0:03 4th

Good lord. Nice win for Bucknell at least.

[DFW HOYA]

Holy Cross goes for a two point conversion in OT, fails.

Dartmouth 27
Holy Cross 26
Final

PL ends its version of a Saturday massacre with a 1-6 record.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Wow, what a terrible day for the Patriot League! This league is hitting new all-time lows! When you have to count on a Gilmore coached team to save the day it's likely not going to end well. The Crusaders are still an enigma...

[Lehigh Football Nation]

The night games salvaged my picks for the week FWIW

[Sader87]

Holy Cross message board down....Gilmore and Pine are such cowards

[RichH2]

What a day. Cross put a good game. Bucknell edged a cupcake. Everyone else took Ls most of them truly embarrassing1

[CHIP72]

If Lehigh had made their free throws this game would have been much closer.

Hey, when I was leaving the game today I was telling people Lehigh needs better play from their power forward and shooting guard.

[CHIP72]

Though Lafayette did lose 38-17 to Princeton, the Leopards showed some fight in the loss. It was a significant improvement over the 40-7 debacle they suffered against the same Princeton program at Fisher Field/Stadium in 2015.

[ngineer]

Maybe but I didn't see that one. Getting your ass kicked by a better team is one thing, but completely capitulating without a whimper is different. That's what I saw today from the defense and coaches (saw 1 coach even try to get the guys going on sidelines)

The Holy Cross debacle was worse, only because our offense showed life today. There seems to be a disconnect on the sidelines. Coen alone on the sideline with his headset on, but microphone 'up', therefore not talking to anyone...Strange.

[ngineer]

Though Lafayette did lose 38-17 to Princeton, the Leopards showed some fight in the loss. It was a significant improvement over the 40-7 debacle they suffered against the same Princeton program at Fisher Field/Stadium in 2015.

Yes, I watch some of the LC game and they did show improvement from their earlier games. Definitely tougher on D than we are. #153 may be very interesting.

[cx500d]

No wonder the ivies always play the patsy league....


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[ngineer]

Hey, when I was leaving the game today I was telling people Lehigh needs better play from their power forward and shooting guard.

Can't wait for wrestling season. Reminds me of going to a Phillies game in July and the fans are doing the E-A-G-L-E-S, EAGLES! chant.

[CHIP72]

Can't wait for wrestling season. Reminds me of going to a Phillies game in July and the fans are doing the E-A-G-L-E-S, EAGLES! chant.

I've never liked that, and I root for both the Eagles and Phillies. My only exception is if I'm at a Phillies road game and an Eagles chant occurs, especially when the Phillies have a good team. Then it becomes funny because it essentially is mocking the home baseball team and their fans. (I really love when that kind of thing happens in DC.)

Related side note - I heard more E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES! chants at the Eagles/Redskins game at FedEx Field a couple weeks ago than at any Eagles game I've ever attended, home or road, and I've attended 36 regular or postseason Eagles games (22 home, 14 road) in my lifetime.

[CHIP72]

As I reflect on what I witnessed in person yesterday in both Bethlehem and Easton, one thought comes to mind - you CAN spell "Lehigh Mountain Hawks" without the D.

[CFBfan]

the PL is a combined 7 - 20 to date AWFUL!!!

[Fordham]

This league needs an enema

[The Pud]

the PL is a combined 7 - 20 to date AWFUL!!!

Way worst than the Southland Conference. Ha!

[RichH2]

This league needs an enema

Well our opponents are already giving us enemas every week. Perhaps some chocolate Muscle Milk will help :)

[The Pud]

Can't wait for wrestling season. Reminds me of going to a Phillies game in July and the fans are doing the E-A-G-L-E-S, EAGLES! chant.


I remember those days!