AGS Poll Results - Week 2 - 09/11/2017

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AGS Poll Results - Week 2 - 09/11/2017



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
James Madison Dukes
2095
79
1


2
North Dakota State Bison
2016
5
2


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1896

3


4
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1790

4


5
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1590

5


6
Youngstown State Penguins
1515

8


7
Villanova Wildcats
1494

7


8
New Hampshire Wildcats
1487

12


9
Wofford Terriers
1473

6


10
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
1319

11


11
Richmond Spiders
1312

10


12
The Citadel Bulldogs
1141

13


13
Illinois State Redbirds
927

14


14
Western Illinois Leathernecks
924

18


15
Central Arkansas Bears
899

16


16
Eastern Washington Eagles
839

9


17
South Dakota Coyotes
683

27


18
Samford Bulldogs
618

17


19
Chattanooga Mocs
615

15


20
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
392

20


21
Northern Iowa Panthers
377

22


22
North Carolina A&T Aggies
283

25


23
Weber State Wildcats
244

23


24
Colgate Raiders
212

21


25
Howard Bison
193

24

















ORV:





26
Tennessee State Tigers
171

28


27
Maine Black Bears
133

33


28
Nicholls State Colonels
130

30


29
Albany Great Danes
100

29


30
Saint Francis Red Flash
50

NR


31
Stony Brook Seawolves
42

36


32
Portland State Vikings
38

34


33
Montana Grizzlies
37

26


34
Monmouth Hawks
29

NR


35
Sacred Heart Pioneers
25

NR


36
William & Mary Tribe
24

NR


37T
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21

19


37T
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
21

NR


39
Southern Illinois Salukis
19

NR


40
Grambling State Tigers
18

NR










Most Significant Win:
New Hampshire Wildcats





Most Significant Loss:
Eastern Washington Eagles


























Fell Out Of Poll:






Eastern Illinois Panthers






Fordham Rams






Furman Paladins






Northern Arizona Lumberjacks






San Diego Toreros






Southeastern Louisiana Lions






Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[Milktruck74]

Looks as decent as it can at this point.

[Professor Chaos]

The Wedge blog post for the week 2 poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-top-25-week-2-results/

[Professor Chaos]

7 of 10 MVFC teams in the AGS top 25 (or top 21 to be more accurate)! That will thin out once the MVFC conference meat grinder starts.

NDSU's last 6 games (@YSU, WIU, UNI, @SDSU, USD, and @ISUr) are all against teams currently ranked in the AGS Top 25. Now that's a 6 week gauntlet!

[RootinFerDukes]

Honestly surprised we secured 79 of 84 first place votes. I figured people would quickly forget JMU's win over a seemingly crap ECU team and focus on NDSU's blow out of EWU (a then top 10 team). Throw in the fact that ETSU's defense sold out to stop our running game and held us to only 122 yards rushing and well.... yeah.

[paward]

Nice poll. AGS folks do their homework. Is there a banner for not getting a pm all year? So far I am perfect with no double entry's, two weeks running.

[paward]

Honestly surprised we secured 79 of 84 first place votes. I figured people would quickly forget JMU's win over a seemingly crap ECU team and focus on NDSU's blow out of EWU (a then top 10 team). Throw in the fact that ETSU's defense sold out to stop our running game and held us to only 122 yards rushing and well.... yeah.

You all are top dogs until you hang a L. You have earned it. Enjoy the moment. Just like Game Day we coming your way soon!

[Professor Chaos]

Honestly surprised we secured 79 of 84 first place votes. I figured people would quickly forget JMU's win over a seemingly crap ECU team and focus on NDSU's blow out of EWU (a then top 10 team). Throw in the fact that ETSU's defense sold out to stop our running game and held us to only 122 yards rushing and well.... yeah.
JMU still has the big tie breaker over NDSU and that's last year's win. Honestly NDSU's thrashing of EWU isn't any more impressive than JMU's thrashing of ECU and the other blowout wins against overmatched teams are equally pointless.

As time goes on though last years results mean less and less. I'm trying to be as objective as possible but with the October and November MVFC schedule gauntlet that NDSU has to run that I mentioned in my previous post I could see NDSU eventually leaping JMU even if both teams keep winning (of course it depends on how impressive those wins are as well). The same goes for SDSU if they can maneuver the MVFC gauntlet unscathed.

[centennial]

Honestly surprised we secured 79 of 84 first place votes. I figured people would quickly forget JMU's win over a seemingly crap ECU team and focus on NDSU's blow out of EWU (a then top 10 team). Throw in the fact that ETSU's defense sold out to stop our running game and held us to only 122 yards rushing and well.... yeah.
I went back and forth. And I did vote for NDSU but only because NDSU played well, winning at EWU is hard. Probably could've flipped it just as easy. It's really hard to judge NDSU this year. 2 OOC games are easy. JMU played ETSU and ECU looked bad. I don't know what to think.

[ngineer]

Lehigh still ranked too high.

[Catbooster]

At this point in the season, it's really more about figuring who belongs and roughly where. A spot or two at the top, and 5 or 6 spots down lower on the poll are not that important yet IMO.

[Daytripper]

I had a complete brain-fart on South Dakota this week. Will make sure they get their due next week.



1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Western Illinois Leathernecks
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Portland State Vikings
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
24: Howard Bison
25: Stony Brook Seawolves

Daytripper

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels

[TheRevSFA]

Ugh..I made a mistake on my poll that I didn't catch...forgot JSU.

Sorry JSU guys. I owe you 5th place votes.

[Sammy94]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Richmond Spiders
10: Wofford Terriers
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Western Illinois Leathernecks
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Colgate Raiders

Sammy94

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

[BEAR]

My Bears around 14/15 is about right. I mean they started the year out at that number, were expected to lose to Kansas State and beat Murray State...so no surprises there. I think they ended last year around the top ten.. This is why I like the AGS poll. Good job voters! xthumbsupx

[milleniumkat]

At this point in the season, it's really more about figuring who belongs and roughly where. A spot or two at the top, and 5 or 6 spots down lower on the poll are not that important yet IMO.

Everything under 2 is a crap shoot imho. But i agree as you posted. Thank God for FCS 24 team playoffs!!

[crusader11]

Lehigh should not be receiving any votes.

[milleniumkat]

This is a good poll as well. Sound reasoning other than using last years results as a tie breaker.

Still really too soon to bicker. JMU win over ECU took a hit this week, NDSU win over EWU looks good at the moment, but still need another week or too to figure that out. So although i lean NDSU #1, i can't argue against leaving the champs at the top until they lose.

SDSU has looked more complete then my Kitties but we have a better win of the two. So since we still look to be in "figure stuff out" mode, i'm good with them at #3.

Can we start the playoffs today please? The best team almost always wins regardless of home vs away imho.

[TheRevSFA]

Lehigh should not be receiving any votes.

This is an accurate statement. They have done nothing to prove they are top 25 worthy.

[cx500d]

Maine loses to unh, on the road, by 1 point and is in the orv category?


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

This is a good poll as well. Sound reasoning other than using last years results as a tie breaker.

Still really too soon to bicker. JMU win over ECU took a hit this week, NDSU win over EWU looks good at the moment, but still need another week or too to figure that out. So although i lean NDSU #1, i can't argue against leaving the champs at the top until they lose.

SDSU has looked more complete then my Kitties but we have a better win of the two. So since we still look to be in "figure stuff out" mode, i'm good with them at #3.

Can we start the playoffs today please? The best team almost always wins regardless of home vs away imho.

Good work there mk. I think the granularity between 1 & 2 and how close that decision is for some people is why you would go back to the game last year. At this point they look so similar in level you sort of have to flip that mental coin.

SHSU does have a better win at this point but looks to just a bit under what is needed to push them over SDSU since most are pretty sure they are going to be real legit down the road. Those two teams are a real toss up to me and that speaks well for both of them. Very talented FCS teams.

[RootinFerDukes]

Maine loses to unh, on the road, by 1 point and is in the orv category?


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If you watched that game, Maine had two or three opportunities to win it but found a way to lose it. The 1 point difference was a missed PAT late by Maine.

[JSUSoutherner]

I had a complete brain-fart on South Dakota this week. Will make sure they get their due next week.



1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Western Illinois Leathernecks
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Portland State Vikings
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
24: Howard Bison
25: Stony Brook Seawolves

Daytripper

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels

I screwed USD as well. If they beat UND this week I'll be sure to reward them next go around.

[centennial]

Voters voting for Lehigh please explain yourselves.

[JSUSoutherner]

Voters voting for Lehigh please explain yourselves.

Didn't do enough homework. My poll this week is total cheeks. xcoffeex

[ursus arctos horribilis]

If you watched that game, Maine had two or three opportunities to win it but found a way to lose it. The 1 point difference was a missed PAT late by Maine.

Maine looks to be fairly decent again. I have zero problem with them geting some looks right now.

[BisonTru]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Richmond Spiders
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
19: The Citadel Bulldogs
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Colgate Raiders
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Saint Francis Red Flash

BisonTru

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Thumper 76]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/10/2017 22:12:53

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Howard Bison
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Saint Francis Red Flash
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Montana State Bobcats

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


SDSU needs to prove to me that they have a defense to be ranked top 5 at the moment, I thought about Maine for a while. Probably should have had them in.


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[Thumper 76]

Maine loses to unh, on the road, by 1 point and is in the orv category?


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Oh, so you're captain moral victory/good loss now eh xlolx


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[Milktruck74]

BisonTru, I would agree with you on the Most significant loss in FCS being VMI, but I have always looked at the last two questions in regards to poll teams...I would not have thought about putting VMI there, but I think you are right (as far as FCS as a whole)...new way to look at it.

[JSUSoutherner]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/10/2017 22:12:53

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Howard Bison
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Saint Francis Red Flash
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Montana State Bobcats

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


SDSU needs to prove to me that they have a defense to be ranked top 5 at the moment, I thought about Maine for a while. Probably should have had them in.


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Maybe if you guys would hop off the gravy train for a week we could figure out what your defense actually has. YSU should definitely be a game to watch.

I couldn't bring myself to drop you guys because everyone below you for the most part sucked as well.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

BisonTru, I would agree with you on the Most significant loss in FCS being VMI, but I have always looked at the last two questions in regards to poll teams...I would not have thought about putting VMI there, but I think you are right (as far as FCS as a whole)...new way to look at it.

I think most people do look at it the way you do cuz it is related to the top 40 for the msot part but there are really no rules on it so it is whatever one wants to do with it.

[Thumper 76]

Maybe if you guys would hop off the gravy train for a week we could figure out what your defense actually has. YSU should definitely be a game to watch.

I couldn't bring myself to drop you guys because everyone below you for the most part sucked as well.

When the defense allows more yards than we put up to MSU I think it's telling something


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[JSUSoutherner]

When the defense allows more yards than we put up to MSU I think it's telling something


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I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for now. It was a road game and I'm still not convinced there's a team that can stop your offense.

Plus like I said, the few teams I have below SDSU weren't not worthy of jumping anybody.

[BisonTru]

BisonTru, I would agree with you on the Most significant loss in FCS being VMI, but I have always looked at the last two questions in regards to poll teams...I would not have thought about putting VMI there, but I think you are right (as far as FCS as a whole)...new way to look at it.

I had to look up what Catawba Indians was. Then I had to figure out how in the hell they kept their nickname. xeyebrowx

Maybe they are a good DII team this year but they were a .500 DII team last year. Not impressive for VMI.

[semobison]

When the defense allows more yards than we put up to MSU I think it's telling something


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Yup, I watched The Jacks-Cats game. Thought the Jacks would fall out of the top five.

[F'N Hawks]

Was shocked that Murray threw the ball that well. Will make that offense much more dangerous this year.

[clenz]

I screwed USD as well. If they beat UND this week I'll be sure to reward them next go around.
I had them at 10.

Through 2 weeks their resume is a top 10 resume in the FCS.

[RootinFerDukes]

I think most people do look at it the way you do cuz it is related to the top 40 for the msot part but there are really no rules on it so it is whatever one wants to do with it.

I only look at who is showing up on last week's top 40 "on the radar" teams and then I pick who had the most catastrophic loss among that group. I kind of figure why bother looking further down the list than the top 40? If you're that bad, is it really THAT significant of a loss to anyone? No.

[RootinFerDukes]

I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for now. It was a road game and I'm still not convinced there's a team that can stop your offense.

Plus like I said, the few teams I have below SDSU weren't not worthy of jumping anybody.

This is how I felt too. "Why should I punish SDSU because they still won and because they played in one of the better attended environments in fcs football?" Additionally, the four or so teams immediately behind them didn't really do anything notable to justify passing them, so there you go. They stayed put because they won, even if it was ugly.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I only look at who is showing up on last week's top 40 "on the radar" teams and then I pick who had the most catastrophic loss among that group. I kind of figure why bother looking further down the list than the top 40? If you're that bad, is it really THAT significant of a loss to anyone? No.

Yep, but sometimes...xlolx

[clenz]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: New Hampshire Wildcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Western Illinois Leathernecks
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: The Citadel Bulldogs
18: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Colgate Raiders
25: Saint Francis Red Flash

Feel free to try to fight me. I won't even read your reply. It's 2 weeks in. Sometimes teams make it in that will be hot garbage but 2 weeks in resumes can look funny

[JSUSoutherner]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: New Hampshire Wildcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Western Illinois Leathernecks
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: The Citadel Bulldogs
18: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Colgate Raiders
25: Saint Francis Red Flash

Feel free to try to fight me. I won't even read your reply. It's 2 weeks in. Sometimes teams make it in that will be hot garbage but 2 weeks in resumes can look funny

I'm surprised you think Samford is top 15 considering they've looked like cheeks so far. Talk about ugly wins.

[Mayville Bison]

Figured I should start posting again, so have at it. I don't think I can even explain my reasoning for the last 7. It made sense at the time and now an argument for one team contradicts others and.......it's week 2

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Western Illinois Leathernecks
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20: Tennessee State Tigers
21: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Montana Grizzlies

Mayville Bison

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Catbooster]

When the defense allows more yards than we put up to MSU I think it's telling something


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Is it telling you that MSU is a phenomenal team? xthumbsupx

[KPSUL]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Richmond Spiders
10: The Citadel Bulldogs
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Colgate Raiders
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Tennessee State Tigers

KPSUL

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

I'd appreciate reading any comments and happy to respond to any criticism.

[clenz]

I'm surprised you think Samford is top 15 considering they've looked like cheeks so far. Talk about ugly wins.
They are probably my one holding on to too much preseason thought right now. The flip side is, of the teams I'd move them behind who do I think would win? They fell for me from last week. Barring a real impressive showing this week I could see myself dropping them again.

It's the same thing I have with UNI. They didn't look great against CP, but I'm willing to pass that secondary issue as a scheme thing Poly used. My question with UNI has always been the offense. Well, we are averaging 300 yards passing and 3 TDs passing per game. That question seems answered. My guy/fandom tells me not to rank them. Don't trust them. My head goes - "neutral field, UNI vs insert team around the....who wins?"

I dropped Howard from 8 last week to out. They had one of the best first weeks. I rewarded it. I saw a quick regression to the mean from them, so I dropped them. Moves like that happen when not slot voting the first 2 or 3 weeks. Teams quickly rise and fall.

USD was about 50 for me last week. 10 this week. Did I overreact? Maybe. However, they've been impressive through 2 weeks.

[Thumper 76]

Is it telling you that MSU is a phenomenal team? xthumbsupx

xlolx damn it I hope so


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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Finally some movement in mine. I've been high on UNH all season. Wofford and SHSU slip....

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: New Hampshire Wildcats
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: The Citadel Bulldogs
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Colgate Raiders
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Eastern Washington Eagles
24: Pennsylvania Quakers
25: South Dakota Coyotes

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Lehigh Mountain Hawks

[DirtyDukes]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: New Hampshire Wildcats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Richmond Spiders
10: Wofford Terriers
11: The Citadel Bulldogs
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Chattanooga Mocs
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: Howard Bison
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Tennessee State Tigers

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles

[Hambone]

Hello Hambone,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/11/2017 8:48:07

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Richmond Spiders
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Howard Bison
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Grambling State Tigers
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Monmouth Hawks

Hambone

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference


EDIT - just realized I forgot to put The Citadel back in after I did some moving around.

[PantherRob82]

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Richmond Spiders
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: South Dakota Coyotes
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: The Citadel Bulldogs
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Colgate Raiders
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Howard Bison

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Richmond Spiders
The Most Significant Loss: Cal Poly Mustangs

[milleniumkat]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Richmond Spiders
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
19: The Citadel Bulldogs
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Colgate Raiders
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Saint Francis Red Flash

BisonTru

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

I love this as a future bracket as well!! As 2,3,6,7 would put NDSU, SDSU, SHSU and UNH would be on the same side and that would be super bad arse.

[The Yo Show]

I had them at 10.

Through 2 weeks their resume is a top 10 resume in the FCS.

This is what I was struggling with. I put them at 16 myself, but I think they can make it into my top 10 by next poll. I have been having a very hard time with stuff each week this year. I try to evaluate things each week and relist everything every time. And I dont' know I just didn't put them in my top 10. They definitely deserve it and will likely end up there next week most likely.

[The Yo Show]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: The Citadel Bulldogs
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: William & Mary Tribe
16: South Dakota Coyotes
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Colgate Raiders
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Howard Bison
25: Eastern Illinois Panthers


The Yo Show


The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Cal Poly Mustangs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[milleniumkat]

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Richmond Spiders
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: South Dakota Coyotes
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: The Citadel Bulldogs
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Colgate Raiders
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Howard Bison

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Richmond Spiders
The Most Significant Loss: Cal Poly Mustangs

So you don't have UNI ranked at all? I was crushed that i came all that way and didn't get to meet you. 😔I asked around, no one knew you. Not even the lady that sold me popcorn and a souvenir cup.

[cx500d]

I'm gonna get some strange looks and hate comments for these, but they are correct, for now.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Saint Francis Red Flash
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Sacred Heart Pioneers
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Nicholls State Colonels



The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[POD Knows]

Voters voting for Lehigh please explain yourselves.
Yes, this, WTF

[ST_Lawson]

I'm gonna get some strange looks and hate comments for these, but they are correct, for now.

...
[B]8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
...


😳


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[DirtyDukes]

I'm gonna get some strange looks and hate comments for these, but they are correct, for now.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Saint Francis Red Flash
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Sacred Heart Pioneers
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Nicholls State Colonels



The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DifferentFatalDove-max-1mb.gif

[JSUSoutherner]

I'm gonna get some strange looks and hate comments for these, but they are correct, for now.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Saint Francis Red Flash
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Sacred Heart Pioneers
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Nicholls State Colonels



The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

xcoffeex

[PantherRob82]

So you don't have UNI ranked at all? I was crushed that i came all that way and didn't get to meet you. I asked around, no one knew you. Not even the lady that sold me popcorn and a souvenir cup.

You could have dropped me a PM. You didn't miss out on much.

No. I am not as optimistic as clenz. If they win next week I'll have them in.

[BEAR]

A couple of these last few polls left out my Bears but ranked Nicholls. I guess it is what it is. xrolleyesx xlolx

[JSUSoutherner]

A couple of these last few polls left out my Bears but ranked Nicholls. I guess it is what it is. xrolleyesx xlolx

But they're "correct", obviously.

[POD Knows]

Suck it bitches

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Richmond Spiders
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Saint Francis Red Flash
25: Nicholls State Colonels

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Yea, and there is no freaking Lehigh in this poll.

[TheKingpin28]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Richmond Spiders
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Western Illinois Leathernecks
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Eastern Washington Eagles
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: Nicholls State Colonels
23: Howard Bison
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Tennessee State Tigers

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles

Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


Outside of The Citadel, I am pleased where I have ranked people. I just could not, for the life of me, figure out how to rank 5-10.

[milleniumkat]

I'm gonna get some strange looks and hate comments for these, but they are correct, for now.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Saint Francis Red Flash
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Sacred Heart Pioneers
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Nicholls State Colonels



The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

This looks like a modern Mona Lisa imho. But i'm confused about what "significant loss" actually means

[POD Knows]

This looks like a modern Mona Lisa imho.Yea, Lehigh is in there, Weber State over UND, St Francis #10, somebody call 911, that poll is a cry for help.

[BisonTru]

10: Saint Francis Red Flash

15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks




http://p.fod4.com/p/media/5c597eb60b/dVJNUJlVS6yeyEYhtJIL_Confused%20Mark%20Wahlberg.gi f

I was going to ask for your logic on Sammy at #2, but I see you don't use logic in your poll. :Dxdrunkyx

[JSUSoutherner]

http://p.fod4.com/p/media/5c597eb60b/dVJNUJlVS6yeyEYhtJIL_Confused%20Mark%20Wahlberg.gi f

I was going to ask for your logic on Sammy at #2, but I see you don't use logic in your poll. :Dxdrunkyx

I saw that originally but I decided I'd put as much effort into asking for his logic as he put into his poll.

[cx500d]

This looks like a modern Mona Lisa imho. But i'm confused about what "significant loss" actually means

By Nicholls grasping defeat from the jaws of victory they could have made a big bump but instead showed up in the latter parts of polls. My alternate was ewu which disappeared for me in two abysmal losses.


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[BigHouseClosedEnd]

Hello BigHouseClosedEnd,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/10/2017 6:45:14

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Wofford Terriers
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: The Citadel Bulldogs
14: Western Illinois Leathernecks
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Howard Bison
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Monmouth Hawks

BigHouseClosedEnd

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[POD Knows]

By Nicholls grasping defeat from the jaws of victory they could have made a big bump but instead showed up in the latter parts of polls. My alternate was ewu which disappeared for me in two abysmal losses.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSt. Francis at 10, surely you jest

[cx500d]

http://p.fod4.com/p/media/5c597eb60b/dVJNUJlVS6yeyEYhtJIL_Confused%20Mark%20Wahlberg.gi f

I was going to ask for your logic on Sammy at #2, but I see you don't use logic in your poll. :Dxdrunkyx

Says the person fighting for last place on the pickums


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[BigHouseClosedEnd]

I'm gonna get some strange looks and hate comments for these, but they are correct, for now.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Saint Francis Red Flash
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Sacred Heart Pioneers
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Nicholls State Colonels



The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

You were neglected as a child, weren't you? Middle child?

[cx500d]

You were neglected as a child, weren't you? Middle child?

I was a middle child, between two sisters, so I was not neglected as I was lucky to get all the **** chores growing up.


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[kalm]

Hello kalm,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/10/2017 17:10:36

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Richmond Spiders
13: The Citadel Bulldogs
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Howard Bison
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Nicholls State Colonels
25: Colgate Raiders

[Thumper 76]

I love this as a future bracket as well!! As 2,3,6,7 would put NDSU, SDSU, SHSU and UNH would be on the same side and that would be super bad arse.

I'm pretty goddamn sick of meeting NDSU in the playoffs unless they have to come to Brookings. Otherwise I'm in.


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[Katfan]

I'm gonna get some strange looks and hate comments for these, but they are correct, for now.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Saint Francis Red Flash
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Sacred Heart Pioneers
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Nicholls State Colonels



The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference
Ok I watched your game and our game and I'm a homer and I can't understand why you would rank us that high.

[mvemjsunpx]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota (2)
3. North Dakota St. (3)
4. Villanova (4)
5. South Dakota St. (5)
6. Sam Houston St. (6)
7. Western Illinois (7)
8. Central Arkansas (10)
9. New Hampshire (NR)
10. Richmond (9)
11. Montana (11)
12. Youngstown St. (12)
13. Jacksonville St. (15)
14. South Dakota (NR)
15. The Citadel (21)
16. Tennessee-Chattanooga (16)
17. Portland St. (18)
18. Stony Brook (20)
19. Nicholls St. (23)
20. Wofford (13)
21. Samford (14)
22. Weber St. (NR)
23. McNeese St. (24)
24. Northern Iowa (25)
25. Northern Arizona (8)

W - New Hampshire
L - Northern Arizona



Dropped - Lehigh (17), Eastern Washington (19), Fordham (22)

[kalm]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota (2)
3. North Dakota St. (3)
4. Villanova (4)
5. South Dakota St. (5)
6. Sam Houston St. (6)
7. Western Illinois (7)
8. Central Arkansas (10)
9. New Hampshire (NR)
10. Richmond (9)
11. Montana (11)
12. Youngstown St. (12)
13. Jacksonville St. (15)
14. South Dakota (NR)
15. The Citadel (21)
16. Tennessee-Chattanooga (16)
17. Portland St. (18)
18. Stony Brook (20)
19. Nicholls St. (23)
20. Wofford (13)
21. Samford (14)
22. Weber St. (NR)
23. McNeese St. (24)
24. Northern Iowa (25)
25. Northern Arizona (8)

W - New Hampshire
L - Northern Arizona



Dropped - Lehigh (17), Eastern Washington (19), Fordham (22)

Why the Griz so high?

[mvemjsunpx]

Why the Griz so high?

They've got good talent. I picked them to go 8-3. Nothing's happened to change those thoughts so far.

[POD Knows]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota (2)
3. North Dakota St. (3)
4. Villanova (4)
5. South Dakota St. (5)
6. Sam Houston St. (6)
7. Western Illinois (7)
8. Central Arkansas (10)
9. New Hampshire (NR)
10. Richmond (9)
11. Montana (11)
12. Youngstown St. (12)
13. Jacksonville St. (15)
14. South Dakota (NR)
15. The Citadel (21)
16. Tennessee-Chattanooga (16)
17. Portland St. (18)
18. Stony Brook (20)
19. Nicholls St. (23)
20. Wofford (13)
21. Samford (14)
22. Weber St. (NR)
23. McNeese St. (24)
24. Northern Iowa (25)
25. Northern Arizona (8)

W - New Hampshire
L - Northern Arizona



Dropped - Lehigh (17), Eastern Washington (19), Fordham (22)
Is this for real or are you just trolling, you have UND at #2, based on what? Montana at #11, have you even bothered to watch football this fall.

[Longhorn]

JMU still has the big tie breaker over NDSU and that's last year's win. Honestly NDSU's thrashing of EWU isn't any more impressive than JMU's thrashing of ECU and the other blowout wins against overmatched teams are equally pointless.

As time goes on though last years results mean less and less. I'm trying to be as objective as possible but with the October and November MVFC schedule gauntlet that NDSU has to run that I mentioned in my previous post I could see NDSU eventually leaping JMU even if both teams keep winning (of course it depends on how impressive those wins are as well). The same goes for SDSU if they can maneuver the MVFC gauntlet unscathed.

You refer to a MVFC "gauntlet"...and why would that be anymore impressive or difficult than playing a schedule that consists of Villanova, New Hampshire and Richmond?

Sorry, not buying your logic.

[Go...gate]

Still very early. A lot of football yet to be played.

[TheKingpin28]

You refer to a MVFC "gauntlet"...and why would that be anymore impressive or difficult than playing a schedule that consists of Villanova, New Hampshire and Richmond?

Sorry, not buying your logic.

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[BisonFan02]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: The Citadel Bulldogs
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: Colgate Raiders
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
25: Saint Francis Red Flash

BisonFan02

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[mvemjsunpx]

Is this for real or are you just trolling, you have UND at #2, based on what? Montana at #11, have you even bothered to watch football this fall.

I've actually never watched football before. I mostly follow Australian Handball.

[PAllen]

Howard and Colgate are ranked way too low. Lehigh is ranked way too high.

[POD Knows]

I've actually never watched football before. I mostly follow Australian Handball.Ok, thanks for the clarification, that makes sense. :D

[cx500d]

Ok I watched your game and our game and I'm a homer and I can't understand why you would rank us that high.

EWU is really bad. You had a legit game with Richmond. NDSU has yet to play a legit game.

[cx500d]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota (2)
3. North Dakota St. (3)
4. Villanova (4)
5. South Dakota St. (5)
6. Sam Houston St. (6)
7. Western Illinois (7)
8. Central Arkansas (10)
9. New Hampshire (NR)
10. Richmond (9)
11. Montana (11)
12. Youngstown St. (12)
13. Jacksonville St. (15)
14. South Dakota (NR)
15. The Citadel (21)
16. Tennessee-Chattanooga (16)
17. Portland St. (18)
18. Stony Brook (20)
19. Nicholls St. (23)
20. Wofford (13)
21. Samford (14)
22. Weber St. (NR)
23. McNeese St. (24)
24. Northern Iowa (25)
25. Northern Arizona (8)

W - New Hampshire
L - Northern Arizona



Dropped - Lehigh (17), Eastern Washington (19), Fordham (22)

And you all question mine....At least I picked winners...

[TheKingpin28]

EWU is really bad. You had a legit game with Richmond. NDSU has yet to play a legit game.

Green and Gold... xlolx

[cx500d]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: The Citadel Bulldogs
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: Colgate Raiders
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
25: Saint Francis Red Flash

BisonFan02

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


I can work with this...Some obvious errors. Interestingly enough you put New Hampshire exactly where I put them....

[cx500d]

Green and Gold... xlolx


Yeah, but thats a scrimmage and doesn't count. Unless you use P88 rules like counting the game against College of Faith....

[TheKingpin28]

Yeah, but thats a scrimmage and doesn't count. Unless you use P88 rules like counting the game against College of Faith....

You missed the joke.

[cx500d]

You missed the joke.

No, I got the joke...And deflected it on P88

[Professor Chaos]

You refer to a MVFC "gauntlet"...and why would that be anymore impressive or difficult than playing a schedule that consists of Villanova, New Hampshire and Richmond?

Sorry, not buying your logic.
Because in between those games JMU has William & Mary and Rhode Island. NDSU has 6 ranked teams on their conference slate and JMU has 3 (as of right now). That could change but it's pretty easy to see who's got the tougher conference schedule right now.

[BisonFan02]

Because in between those games JMU has William & Mary and Rhode Island. NDSU has 6 ranked teams on their conference slate and JMU has 3 (as of right now). That could change but it's pretty easy to see who's got the tougher conference schedule right now.

If both NDSU and JMU ran the table going into the postseason, NDSU is my #1 seed.

[Professor Chaos]

If both NDSU and JMU ran the table going into the postseason, NDSU is my #1 seed.
I would tend to agree but it would depend on how well each team handles the elite teams on their schedules.

And I doubt NDSU does run the table... there always has to be a slip up in conference it seems.

[BisonFan02]

I would tend to agree but it would depend on how well each team handles the elite teams on their schedules.

Perhaps and it is obviously living in the gray there.....but I would likely take the undefeated MVFC team over the undefeated CAA team in today's FCS...only looking at the current eyeball test anyway.

[Redbird 4th & short]

7 of 10 MVFC teams in the AGS top 25 (or top 21 to be more accurate)! That will thin out once the MVFC conference meat grinder starts.

NDSU's last 6 games (@YSU, WIU, UNI, @SDSU, USD, and @ISUr) are all against teams currently ranked in the AGS Top 25. Now that's a 6 week gauntlet!
wait till SIU starts creeping up ... but then inevitably, the MVFC conference grind takes is toll and we go 40-40 in conference play. This season is starting to feel like 2014 for MVFC .... and my Redbirds.

[Gangtackle11]

If both NDSU and JMU ran the table going into the postseason, NDSU is my #1 seed.

Shocking!

[BisonFan02]

Shocking!

Not many would accuse me as a homer. The MVFC top to bottom is a better league. Gonna argue otherwise?

[TheKingpin28]

Shocking!

Care to explain why this is shocking? BF02 is far from a homer but when he's right, he is right.

[Gangtackle11]

Not many would accuse me as a homer. The MVFC top to bottom is a better league. Gonna argue otherwise?

Defending National Champion undefeated with wins over 3 current Top 11 AGS teams & an FBS team deserves the #1 seed.
NDSU can claim #1A at best unless you are a homer. xpeacex

[caribbeanhen]

If both NDSU and JMU ran the table going into the postseason, NDSU is my #1 seed.

who knew....

[cx500d]

Not many would accuse me as a homer. The MVFC top to bottom is a better league. Gonna argue otherwise?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H22t-tiWiLw

[BisonFan02]

Defending National Champion undefeated with wins over 3 current Top 11 AGS teams & an FBS team deserves the #1 seed.
NDSU can claim #1A at best unless you are a homer. xpeacex

An FBS team that wouldn't beat any of those other 3 ranked teams. The MVFC is 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 13th, 14th, 17th, 21st, and SIU receiving votes. Only teams missing are ISUb and Misery...

Not many breaks in there...toss in EWU for good measure.

[BisonFan02]

Care to explain why this is shocking? BF02 is far from a homer but when he's right, he is right.

I've been wrong before.... xlolx

[Gangtackle11]

An FBS team that wouldn't beat any of those other 3 ranked teams. The MVFC is 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 13th, 14th, 17th, 21st, and SIU receiving votes. Only teams missing are ISUb and Misery...

Not many breaks in there...toss in EWU for good measure.

So an undefeated defending champion wouldn't be #1? Imagine the puff of smoke from you guys if the tables were reversed?

Beat them on the field then you are deserving. Both undefeated then you must wait your turn unless you are a homer in disguise. xpeacex

[BisonFan02]

So an undefeated defending champion wouldn't be #1? Imagine the puff of smoke from you guys if the tables were reversed?

Beat them on the field then you are deserving. Both undefeated then you must wait your turn unless you are a homer in disguise. xpeacex

I'd have a chortle, but the 2nd seed is worth the same to me. Homefield is homefield.

Last year shouldn't mean **** remember? The unintelligent will argue "der der, FBS win tiebreaker, der der", but I can differentiate garbage FBS wins against G5 schools for what they are. The difference is the conference schedule. Top to bottom....it is tougher in the Valley. Yes....UNH, Nova, and Richmond are tough, but it isn't comparable to SDSU, YSU, UNI, and Co....even ****ing USeD is on the rise...ISUr...WIU....

[citdog]

I'd have a chortle, but the 2nd seed is worth the same to me. Homefield is homefield.

Last year shouldn't mean **** remember? The unintelligent will argue "der der, FBS win tiebreaker, der der", but I can differentiate garbage FBS wins against G5 schools for what they are. The difference is the conference schedule. Top to bottom....it is tougher in the Valley. Yes....UNH, Nova, and Richmond are tough, but it isn't comparable to SDSU, YSU, UNI, and Co....even ****ing USeD is on the rise...ISUr...WIU....

Yep it's SO MUCH HARDER there than Woffy, Chatt, Samford, Mercer etc etc..... Cry me a RIVER Bro...

[cx500d]

Yep it's SO MUCH HARDER there than Woffy, Chatt, Samford, Mercer etc etc..... Cry me a RIVER Bro...


Seriously, you are competing with Chattown now

[BisonFan02]

Yep it's SO MUCH HARDER there than Woffy, Chatt, Samford, Mercer etc etc..... Cry me a RIVER Bro...

You're joking right? xlolx

We won't know anything more about NDSU over their next 3.

Here's the last 6.....



Sat.
10/14/2017

*
Youngstown State
Youngstown, Ohio
6 p.m.
Details


Sat.
10/21/2017

*
Western Illinois
Fargo, N.D.
2:30 p.m.
Details


Sat.
10/28/2017

*
Northern Iowa
Fargo, N.D.
2:30 p.m.
Details


Sat.
11/4/2017

*
South Dakota State (Dakota Marker)
Brookings, S.D.
2 p.m.
Details


Sat.
11/11/2017

*
South Dakota (Harvest Bowl)
Fargo, N.D.
2:30 p.m.
Details


Sat.
11/18/2017

*
Illinois State
Normal, Ill.
12 p.m.
Details



They run that and finish without a blemish? I'm buying. I don't see it happening....but I would have a full erection heading into the postseason. xlolx

[BisonTru]

They've got good talent. I picked them to go 8-3. Nothing's happened to change those thoughts so far.

A team that struggles to get six wins in a conference that collectively has only 5 D1 wins to date and struggled with Valpo is your 11th best team in the country???

[BisonTru]

Yep it's SO MUCH HARDER there than Woffy, Chatt, Samford, Mercer etc etc..... Cry me a RIVER Bro...

furman sucks

[Gangtackle11]

I'd have a chortle, but the 2nd seed is worth the same to me. Homefield is homefield.

Last year shouldn't mean **** remember? The unintelligent will argue "der der, FBS win tiebreaker, der der", but I can differentiate garbage FBS wins against G5 schools for what they are. The difference is the conference schedule. Top to bottom....it is tougher in the Valley. Yes....UNH, Nova, and Richmond are tough, but it isn't comparable to SDSU, YSU, UNI, and Co....even ****ing USeD is on the rise...ISUr...WIU....

Remember what from last year?

The intelligent will argue that the team ranked #1 in preseason that plays in a top FCS (not the awesome MVFC, of course) conference and goes undefeated doesn't lose that ranking unless it's to someone who thinks he's not a homer. ✌️

[cx500d]

A team that struggles to get six wins in a conference that collectively has only 5 D1 wins to date and struggled with Valpo is your 11th best team in the country???

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vI6LGR352yE/TIAMUZ5tpSI/AAAAAAAAABw/7z4T_s9szeA/s1600/How-to-troll.jpg

[citdog]

You're joking right? xlolx

We won't know anything more about NDSU over their next 3.

Here's the last 6.....



Sat.
10/14/2017

*
Youngstown State
Youngstown, Ohio
6 p.m.
Details


Sat.
10/21/2017

*
Western Illinois
Fargo, N.D.
2:30 p.m.
Details


Sat.
10/28/2017

*
Northern Iowa
Fargo, N.D.
2:30 p.m.
Details


Sat.
11/4/2017

*
South Dakota State (Dakota Marker)
Brookings, S.D.
2 p.m.
Details


Sat.
11/11/2017

*
South Dakota (Harvest Bowl)
Fargo, N.D.
2:30 p.m.
Details


Sat.
11/18/2017

*
Illinois State
Normal, Ill.
12 p.m.
Details



They run that and finish without a blemish? I'm buying. I don't see it happening....but I would have a full erection heading into the postseason. xlolx

You Valley people act like y'all play in then ONLY conference that has ANY good teams in it. You DON'T.

[TheKingpin28]

I've been wrong before.... xlolx

Was I alive when that happened?

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

I'm gonna get some strange looks and hate comments for these, but they are correct, for now.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Saint Francis Red Flash
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Sacred Heart Pioneers
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Nicholls State Colonels



The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Great poll! Glad to see my Red Flash be respected.

[BisonFan02]

Remember what from last year?

The intelligent will argue that the team ranked #1 in preseason that plays in a top FCS (not the awesome MVFC, of course) conference and goes undefeated doesn't lose that ranking unless it's to someone who thinks he's not a homer. ✌️

I'm not the one dragging a defending national champ moniker into a poll argument. You are. If both teams run the table, I'll worry about it then. It would be an interesting argument depending on how the teams get there...

[cx500d]

You Valley people act like y'all play in then ONLY conference that has ANY good teams in it. You DON'T.
quit undergeneralizing....Its 7 good teams, not any good teams.

[JSUSoutherner]

Great poll! Glad to see my Red Flash be respected.
You think you could beat us or Nova?

[cx500d]

Great poll! Glad to see my Red Flash be respected.


So there's at least one person here that admires genius....Sometimes the other common dolts here can be underwhelming.

[BisonFan02]

You Valley people act like y'all play in then ONLY conference that has ANY good teams in it. You DON'T.

There are fine teams in most/all conferences....just not AS many as the MVFC at this time. The OOC records prove it out....it is what it is? Something something ebbs and flows.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

So there's at least one person here that admires genius....Sometimes the other common dolts here can be underwhelming.

xthumbsupx

[cx500d]

You think you could beat us or Nova?

You blew it with your pedestrian effort on Saturday.

[Gangtackle11]

I'm not the one dragging a defending national champ moniker into a poll argument. You are. If both teams run the table, I'll worry about it then. It would be an interesting argument depending on how the teams get there...

Both teams undefeated it's JMU here,but like you wrote before it doesn't matter since #2 gets a home seed.
We get a shot of helping u out on the 14th down in Harrisonburg, but it would be a nice upset for sure. Might even be a college game day visit again. xpeacex

[citdog]

I get it. Good teams are in EACH league. Except the Big Sky this year...

[TheKingpin28]

There are fine teams in most/all conferences....just not AS many as the MVFC at this time. The OOC records prove it out....it is what it is? Something something ebbs and flows.

The fact that The Valley took the supremacy title from the CAA hurts these East Coast Biasers so much they have to ride the coattails of others for them to claim they have success. If JMU sustains this, then it is JMU, not the CAA. First 3 years, it was the Bison and UNI and not the MVFC, but SDSU, ISUr, and YSU stepped up and now it is the MVFC as a whole that is good. Hell, even USeD is trying to climb the ladder and say "look at us too".

[Professor Chaos]

So an undefeated defending champion wouldn't be #1? Imagine the puff of smoke from you guys if the tables were reversed?

Beat them on the field then you are deserving. Both undefeated then you must wait your turn unless you are a homer in disguise. xpeacex
The role has been reversed many times over the last few years and people arguing against NDSU have said (rightly so) that the past year should have no effect on playoff seeding.

[cx500d]

I get it. Good teams are in EACH league. Except the Big Sky this year...


Thats right, both leagues, MVFC and CAA.

[BisonFan02]

Both teams undefeated it's JMU here,but like you wrote before it doesn't matter since #2 gets a home seed.
We get a shot of helping u out on the 14th down in Harrisonburg, but it would be a nice upset for sure. Might even be a college game day visit again. xpeacex

Well, there are definitely not many CAA teams up to that task! :D

I kid a bit...gonna be an interesting season.

[BisonFan02]

I get it. Good teams are in EACH league. Except the Big Sky this year...

Exactly. :D

[citdog]

The fact that The Valley took the supremacy title from the CAA hurts these East Coast Biasers so much they have to ride the coattails of others for them to claim they have success. If JMU sustains this, then it is JMU, not the CAA. First 3 years, it was the Bison and UNI and not the MVFC, but SDSU, ISUr, and YSU stepped up and now it is the MVFC as a whole that is good. Hell, even USeD is trying to climb the ladder and say "look at us too".


No youngster the BEST FCS Conference in the former Southern Confederacy was the SOUTHERN CONFERENCE.

[BisonTru]

IF JMU or NDSU go unscathed in conference play they should be number 1. If they both do, everyone else needs to get the hell out of the way that collision will be settled in Frisco.

[cx500d]

No youngster the BEST FCS Conference in the former Southern Confederacy was the SOUTHERN CONFERENCE.

That was like, in 1862

[BisonFan02]

IF JMU or NDSU go unscathed in conference play they should be number 1. If they both do, everyone else needs to get the hell out of the way that collision will be settled in Frisco.

Pretty much this.

[TheKingpin28]

No youngster the BEST FCS Conference in the former Southern Confederacy was the SOUTHERN CONFERENCE.

The Union won, get over it!

[citdog]

IF JMU or NDSU go unscathed in conference play they should be number 1. If they both do, everyone else needs to get the hell out of the way that collision will be settled in Frisco.

Yep because the #1 Seed made it there last year...

[BisonFan02]

That was like, in 1862

When did Marshall, Georgia Southern, App State and co. leave? :D




hides. xlolx

[BisonFan02]

Yep because the #1 Seed made it there last year...

JMU was the first national champion that played a postseason game on the road since 2008? Someone fact check that....it might be longer.

EDIT: I think it was Richmond in 2008

[cx500d]

When did Marshall, Georgia Southern, App State and co. leave? :D




hides. xlolx

He said in the Southern Confederacy...I'd say the Southern Confederacy highwater mark was in 1862 or so

[BisonTru]

Yep because the #1 Seed made it there last year...

We didn't go through the conference unscathed. We've done that once, and that years' playoff run was like running a hot knife thru liquefied butter.

[Gangtackle11]

The fact that The Valley took the supremacy title from the CAA hurts these East Coast Biasers so much they have to ride the coattails of others for them to claim they have success. If JMU sustains this, then it is JMU, not the CAA. First 3 years, it was the Bison and UNI and not the MVFC, but SDSU, ISUr, and YSU stepped up and now it is the MVFC as a whole that is good. Hell, even USeD is trying to climb the ladder and say "look at us too".

The broken record argument. Our top teams play your top teams & no one goes OMG they killed us. Your OOC success may be something great to the Big Sky folks, but the sample size is very small vs. the CAA & not as dominant as you would think.

I witnessed 1st hand in a cornfield somewhere north of Sioux Falls what was described as the greatest offense since the Kurt Warner Rams. I read how mediocre of a team Villanova was last season on the Jackrabbit threads. 10-7 win for them. They moved on, but please don't tell me how great all these teams are. I watched that team get 7 yards rushing & 200 total yards. They won, but wouldn't you think that the great MVFC would steamroll a basketball school playing in the FCS? You guys are jokers.

Top CAA teams have nothing to fear nor do we hid behind JMU. They kicked NDSU to the curb. We played them tougher than NDSU did last season.

JMU is #1 this season until they lose. The guys from the MVFC can't handle that so be it.

xpeacex

[cx500d]

The broken record argument. Our top teams play your top teams & no one goes OMG they killed us. Your OOC success may be something great to the Big Sky folks, but the sample size is very small vs. the CAA & not as dominant as you would think.

I witnessed 1st hand in a cornfield somewhere north of Sioux Falls what was described as the greatest offense since the Kurt Warner Rams. I read how mediocre of a team Villanova was last season on the Jackrabbit threads. 10-7 win for them. They moved on, but please don't tell me how great all these teams are. I watched that team get 7 yards rushing & 200 total yards. They won, but wouldn't you think that the great MVFC would steamroll a basketball school playing in the FCS? You guys are jokers.

Top CAA teams have nothing to fear nor do we hid behind JMU. They kicked NDSU to the curb. We played them tougher than NDSU did last season.

JMU is #1 this season until they lose. The guys from the MVFC can't handle that so be it.

xpeacex

Don't lump me in with those nonbelievers...

[citdog]

The broken record argument. Our top teams play your top teams & no one goes OMG they killed us. Your OOC success may be something great to the Big Sky folks, but the sample size is very small vs. the CAA & not as dominant as you would think.

I witnessed 1st hand in a cornfield somewhere north of Sioux Falls what was described as the greatest offense since the Kurt Warner Rams. I read how mediocre of a team Villanova was last season on the Jackrabbit threads. 10-7 win for them. They moved on, but please don't tell me how great all these teams are. I watched that team get 7 yards rushing & 200 total yards. They won, but wouldn't you think that the great MVFC would steamroll a basketball school playing in the FCS? You guys are jokers.

Top CAA teams have nothing to fear nor do we hid behind JMU. They kicked NDSU to the curb. We played them tougher than NDSU did last season.

JMU is #1 this season until they lose. The guys from the MVFC can't handle that so be it.

xpeacex



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRFo5fbxAt8

[1984]

You Valley people act like y'all play in then ONLY conference that has ANY good teams in it. You DON'T.

It is not just about how good the teams are. it is also about the style of play. MVFC plays a smash mouth take no prisoners style of football. The physical toll is brutal on players. Can a wide open air attack beat them, certainly depending on the match up. But I do not consider an air attack brutal. effective, skilled certainly but that is not brutal.

[cx500d]

It is not just about how good the teams are. it is also about the style of play. MVFC plays a smash mouth take no prisoners style of football. The physical toll is brutal on players. Can a wide open air attack beat them, certainly depending on the match up. But I do not consider an air attack brutal. effective, skilled certainly but that is not brutal.


It was brutal watching the air attack against JMU last year...

[citdog]

It is not just about how good the teams are. it is also about the style of play. MVFC plays a smash mouth take no prisoners style of football. The physical toll is brutal on players. Can a wide open air attack beat them, certainly depending on the match up. But I do not consider an air attack brutal. effective, skilled certainly but that is not brutal.

Because y'all WHIPPED TINY WOFFORD at your place right. Just WAIT until WE get ahold of y'all...

[cx500d]

Because y'all WHIPPED TINY WOFFORD at your place right. Just WAIT until WE get ahold of y'all...

You have to get into the playoffs or past the first round...

[BisonTru]

Because y'all WHIPPED TINY WOFFORD at your place right. Just WAIT until WE get ahold of y'all...

furman sucked

[BisonFan02]

Because y'all WHIPPED TINY WOFFORD at your place right. Just WAIT until WE get ahold of y'all...

You guys worry about whipping Tiny Wofford first. :D

[citdog]

furman sucked

Even when they won the National Championship.

[citdog]

You have to get into the playoffs or past the first round...

Quit making us attempt to beat teams from our own State that are ALL among the best 5 teams in the bracket...

[BisonFan02]

Quit making us attempt to beat teams from our own State that are ALL among the best 5 teams in the bracket...

Oh BOO HOO! :D wanna trade regional quadrants? xlolx

[cx500d]

Quit making us attempt to beat teams from our own State that are ALL among the best 5 teams in the bracket...
And they have to get out of the 2nd round to beat us...

[BisonTru]

Even when they won the National Championship.

Agreed. Last time a current softern member won one iirc. '88 was a weak year. xcoolx:Dxdrunkyx

[citdog]

Oh BOO HOO! :D wanna trade regional quadrants? xlolx

Sure! I'd LOVE to play San Diego....

[ElCid]

He said in the Southern Confederacy...I'd say the Southern Confederacy highwater mark was in 1862 or so

No. 1863 is generally accepted high water mark.

[cx500d]

He said in the Southern Confederacy...I'd say the Southern Confederacy highwater mark was in 1862 or so

No. 1863 is generally accepted high water mark.

correct, but thats when your asses started getting whooped also. 1862 was your finest year.

[ElCid]

xthumbsupx

[citdog]

No. 1863 is generally accepted high water mark.

correct, but thats when your asses started getting whooped also. 1862 was your finest year.[/QUOTE]


https://cdn2.americancivilwar.com/americancivilwar-cdn/civil_war_map/chancellorsville1_split.jpg

[BisonTru]

Sure! I'd LOVE to play San Diego....

I am enjoying the Big Sky smack. xlolx

[BisonFan02]

Sure! I'd LOVE to play San Diego....

Didn't the SC and SoCoN quadrant usually get sent to Fargo? How'd that go? :D

[cx500d]

I've walked the battlefields at Chancellorsville (RIP Jackson), Spotsylvania, Fredericksburg, and The Wilderness. Seeing the trenches, the sightlines, the dense forest, its awe inspiring and kind of spooky.


correct, but thats when your asses started getting whooped also. 1862 was your finest year.


https://cdn2.americancivilwar.com/americancivilwar-cdn/civil_war_map/chancellorsville1_split.jpg[/QUOTE]

[citdog]

Didn't the SC and SoCoN quadrant usually get sent to Fargo? How'd that go? :D

You've not faced The Citadel MEN. You don't know us...

[citdog]

I've walked the battlefields at Chancellorsville (RIP Jackson), Spotsylvania, Fredericksburg, and The Wilderness. Seeing the trenches, the sightlines, the dense forest, its awe inspiring and kind of spooky.




https://cdn2.americancivilwar.com/americancivilwar-cdn/civil_war_map/chancellorsville1_split.jpg[/QUOTE]

NOTHING TO SEE THERE BRO. ALL JUST A BUNCH OF RACISTS...

[cx500d]

You've not faced The Citadel MEN. You don't know us...


The fact is they weren't good enough to get that far...You are seriously delusional.

[citdog]

The fact is they weren't good enough to get that far...You are seriously delusional.

Let it happen SOON.

[The Yo Show]

Because y'all WHIPPED TINY WOFFORD at your place right. Just WAIT until WE get ahold of y'all...

Wofford played a great game against Ysu in playoffs last year. That was a good football team.

[BisonTru]

Wofford played a great game against Ysu in playoffs last year. That was a good football team.

http://arktemplates.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/feedtheanimals.jpg

:D:D:D

[milleniumkat]

Says the person fighting for last place on the pickums


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OUCH!

[The Pud]

Looks as decent as it can at this point.


what are you smoking dude? EWU shouldn't be ranked in the Top 20 at all!

[milleniumkat]

I'm pretty goddamn sick of meeting NDSU in the playoffs unless they have to come to Brookings. Otherwise I'm in.


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Think of it this way, beating the Bison in the semis is the key to winning the natty.

"If you do it, the rings will come"...or perhaps "One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them. One ring to win them all, from the muther-effing-Bison"

no?

[milleniumkat]

Why doesn't the MVFC just break off from the FCS like the SWAC and form their own universe? They are wasting their time here.

[IBleedYellow]

This is ****ing amazing.

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[JSUSoutherner]

This is ****ing amazing.

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+1

[Thumper 76]

You've not faced The Citadel MEN. You don't know us...
No, they don't, and neither do any other MVFC teams since Citadel can't make it deep enough to get there. They get whooped by private school pretty boys before they can get that far xcoffeex

Think of it this way, beating the Bison in the semis is the key to winning the natty.

"If you do it, the rings will come"...or perhaps "One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them. One ring to win them all, from the muther-effing-Bison"

no?
I mean, you're not wrong. I'm pretty tired of playing in Fargo though. I think since their run started we've had to play 2/3rds of our matchups in there.....but of course poor Citadel has a rough go because they had a regionalized bracket......twice xlolx

This is ****ing amazing.

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As soon as BF02 posted that, I knew the CAA boy would have their knickers in a bunch xlolx


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[Kemo]

I personally feel 2 weeks of football has given us enough data to start seeding the playoffs right now. Playing out the rest of the season would be a pointless exercise which would only cater to the football lackwits.

[RootinFerDukes]

If both NDSU and JMU ran the table going into the postseason, NDSU is my #1 seed.

JMU would get it simply by being the defending champion. A champ deserves the top seed in that scenario.

[RootinFerDukes]

I would tend to agree but it would depend on how well each team handles the elite teams on their schedules.

And I doubt NDSU does run the table... there always has to be a slip up in conference it seems.

With the lack of an fbs too, I would think the SOS isn't AS strong as in past years for ndsu.

[RootinFerDukes]

I'd have a chortle, but the 2nd seed is worth the same to me. Homefield is homefield.

Last year shouldn't mean **** remember? The unintelligent will argue "der der, FBS win tiebreaker, der der", but I can differentiate garbage FBS wins against G5 schools for what they are. The difference is the conference schedule. Top to bottom....it is tougher in the Valley. Yes....UNH, Nova, and Richmond are tough, but it isn't comparable to SDSU, YSU, UNI, and Co....even ****ing USeD is on the rise...ISUr...WIU....

Well then if your conference is so tough, the prospect of running the table is virtually non-existent, so what exactly are you arguing?

[RootinFerDukes]

I'm not the one dragging a defending national champ moniker into a poll argument. You are. If both teams run the table, I'll worry about it then. It would be an interesting argument depending on how the teams get there...

Oh yeah.... because ndsu hasn't benefited whatsoever from being a one, then two, then three, then four and then five time champion at any point in the previous five years. Not once. Woe is them!

[Gangtackle11]

JMU would get it simply by being the defending champion. A champ deserves the top seed in that scenario.

Not with some MVFC posters. They need to create & market a scenario that puts their beloved NDSU #1. All others including an undefeated defending National Champion needs to stand aside. Pleaaassee!

[Cocky]

Be glad you NDSU guys dont have to go thru the gauntlet known as the OVC. Come try to survive a few weeks of AP, Murray, SEMO and TTU.

[clenz]

Be glad you NDSU guys dont have to go thru the gauntlet known as the OVC. Come try to survive a few weeks of AP, Murray, SEMO and TTU.
Yeah - that one time we had to face EIU in the playoffs I was pretty scared ****less of them.

Thankfully we just snuck out of that one with a squeaker of a win. Toughest game of the playoffs that year though

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

Be glad you NDSU guys dont have to go thru the gauntlet known as the OVC. Come try to survive a few weeks of AP, Murray, SEMO and TTU.
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/8a/8aef39928e5c5edcfe8328b798266de50eeae07fb36429d24e e483c3bb9deb70.jpg

[POD Knows]

You've not faced The Citadel MEN. You don't know us...I watched the movie Taps, wasn't that about the Citadel? :D

[milleniumkat]

I personally feel 2 weeks of football has given us enough data to start seeding the playoffs right now. Playing out the rest of the season would be a pointless exercise which would only cater to the football lackwits.

lmao

[clenz]

Not with some MVFC posters. They need to create & market a scenario that puts their beloved NDSU #1. All others including an undefeated defending National Champion needs to stand aside. Pleaaassee!
Let's look at NDSU's seedings the last 6 playoffs

2012 - reigning 1 time champ: 1 seed
2013 - reigning 2 time champ: 1 seed
2014 - reigning 3 time champ: 2 seed - off of a 15-0 season
2015 - reigning 4 time champ: 3 seed
2016 - reigning 5 time champ: 1 seed

Turns out, being the reigning champ - a few times over - doesn't mean jack **** come playoffs - because last year is a ****ing year old at that point with 11 games played since then.

[TheRevSFA]

St. Francis at 10, surely you jest

Don't call him Shirley

[TheRevSFA]

Great poll! Glad to see my Red Flash be respected.

Really? You beat Lock Haven and Wagner. You're not a top 25 team. Sit down and beat someone worthwhile.

[RootinFerDukes]

Let's look at NDSU's seedings the last 6 playoffs

2012 - reigning 1 time champ: 1 seed
2013 - reigning 2 time champ: 1 seed
2014 - reigning 3 time champ: 2 seed - off of a 15-0 season
2015 - reigning 4 time champ: 3 seed
2016 - reigning 5 time champ: 1 seed

Turns out, being the reigning champ - a few times over - doesn't mean jack **** come playoffs - because last year is a ****ing year old at that point with 11 games played since then.

Uses real scenarios that show that a reigning champion that had a good follow up season did in fact get home field throughout a playoff in four of five years. Unwittingly proves others points.

[Professor Chaos]

Oh yeah.... because ndsu hasn't benefited whatsoever from being a one, then two, then three, then four and then five time champion at any point in the previous five years. Not once. Woe is them!
Show me where they have. In 2012 they were the #1 seed because they were the only one loss team in a power conference outside of ODU (who played a cupcake schedule despite it being in the CAA). In 2013 (#1 seed) they were undefeated with one of the better FBS wins in recent memory and had been obliterating teams down the stretch. The only team that came close to them was the OVC's 10-1 EIU who had an FBS loss to a worse team than who NDSU beat. 2016 should be fresh in everyone's mind and I still contend NDSU had the strongest argument for #1 given their win over Iowa and 5 other regular season wins over FCS playoff teams (including a head-to-head win over the #2 seed).

In 2014 and 2015 I'd argue NDSU lost the coin flip in seedings. In 2014 both NDSU and UNH were 10-1. UNH's loss was FBS whereas NDSU's loss was FCS but NDSU had a dominating FBS win. Both teams had wins over multilple playoff teams but UNH got the #1 seed and NDSU got the #2 seed. In 2015 both NDSU and Illinois St were 9-2 and battling for the #2 seed. They are both obviously MVFC teams but they didn't play each other and were co-champs at 7-1 (though NDSU got the autobid). Both NDSU's losses were to FCS teams whereas only one of Illinois St's losses were to an FCS but NDSU beat the next best team in the conference (SDSU) and Illinois St lost to them. Illinois St got the #2 seed and NDSU got the #3 seed. In both years it seemed to come down to which team had better losses rather than which team had better wins which is still a beef I have with those selection committees.

Don't get hung up on the "we're #1 until we lose" stuff. That's all well and good for the polls but playoff seedings have already set the precedent that the defending champs do not get the benefit of the doubt. What they look is (supposed to be) purely based on the current season's results. So all I'm saying is if things are equal (i.e. both JMU and NDSU finish 11-0 or both finish 10-1) you can't expect the defending champs moniker to get you anywhere when it comes to playoff seeds.


Not with some MVFC posters. They need to create & market a scenario that puts their beloved NDSU #1. All others including an undefeated defending National Champion needs to stand aside. Pleaaassee!
Read this slowly please. What I'm saying is you can't expect being the defending champ is going to win you points with the selection committee when they seed teams. Trust me, I've seen it because I've followed the defending champs much more closely than you have over the last 6 years during the seeding process. See above. I've said all along that JMU could have the best argument for the #1 seed if they finish with the same record as NDSU this year but you can't just decide it based on last year's results without taking into account what each team did this year.

[RootinFerDukes]

Show me where they have. In 2012 they were the #1 seed because they were the only one loss team in a power conference outside of ODU (who played a cupcake schedule despite it being in the CAA). In 2013 (#1 seed) they were undefeated with one of the better FBS wins in recent memory and had been obliterating teams down the stretch. The only team that came close to them was the OVC's 10-1 EIU who had an FBS loss to a worse team than who NDSU beat. 2016 should be fresh in everyon's mind and I still contend NDSU had the strongest argument for #1 given their win over Iowa and 5 other regular season wins over FCS playoff teams.

In 2014 and 2015 I'd argue NDSU lost the coin flip in seedings. In 2014 both NDSU and UNH were 10-1. UNH's loss was FBS whereas NDSU's loss was FCS but NDSU had a dominating FBS win. Both teams had wins over multilple playoff teams but UNH got the #1 seed and NDSU got the #2 seed. In 2015 both NDSU and Illinois St were 9-2 and battling for the #2 seed. They are both obviously MVFC teams but they didn't play each other and were co-champs at 7-1. Both NDSU's losses were to FCS teams whereas only one of Illinois St's losses were to an FCS but NDSU beat the next best team in the conference (SDSU) and Illinois St lost to them. Illinois St got the #2 seed and NDSU got the #3 seed. In both years it seemed to come down to which team had better losses rather than which team had better wins which is still a beef I have with those selection committees.

Don't get hung up on the "we're #1 until we lose" stuff. That's all well and good for the polls but playoff seedings have already set the precedent that the defending champs do not get the benefit of the doubt. What they look is (supposed to be) purely based on the current season's results. So all I'm saying is if things are equal (i.e. both JMU and NDSU finish 11-0 or both finish 10-1) you can't expect the defending champs moniker to get you anywhere when it comes to playoff seeds.

You all never finished worse than a 3 seed in five seasons. You haven't had to play a road playoff game since 2010. You can drop 2 FCS games and get no worse than 3 seed.

Do you really believe any other non-NDSU MVFC team can drop 1 or 2 FCS games and still be guaranteed a 3 seed or better, especially if they didn't win the title the previous year? Regardless of what else happens nationally? Even more so if one of their wins wasn't NDSU?

[Professor Chaos]

You all never finished worse than a 3 seed in five seasons. You haven't had to play a road playoff game since 2010. You can drop 2 FCS games and get no worse than 3 seed.

Do you really believe any other non-NDSU MVFC team can drop 1 or 2 FCS games and still be guaranteed a 3 seed or better, especially if they didn't win the title the previous year? Regardless of what else happens nationally? Even more so if one of their wins wasn't NDSU?
Go back and look at what the options were in 2015. The #4 seed was 10-0 (with a D2 win) McNeese St. SHSU's 2016 schedule looked tough in comparison to McNeese's 2015 schedule and McNeese had several close calls during that schedule. The #5 seed was your JMU Dukes who also had 2 FCS losses and not a single win over a playoff team (but did have an FBS win - prior to your QB's injury).

I said it several times towards the end of the last year but 2015 NDSU would've been seeded #6 last year (behind EWU, JSU, JMU, SHSU, and The Citadel). Some years those high seeds are easier to crack than others. In 2015 it was uncommonly easy. In 2016 it was uncommonly tough.

[milleniumkat]

Let's look at NDSU's seedings the last 6 playoffs

2012 - reigning 1 time champ: 1 seed
2013 - reigning 2 time champ: 1 seed
2014 - reigning 3 time champ: 2 seed - off of a 15-0 season
2015 - reigning 4 time champ: 3 seed
2016 - reigning 5 time champ: 1 seed

Turns out, being the reigning champ - a few times over - doesn't mean jack **** come playoffs - because last year is a ****ing year old at that point with 11 games played since then.

That's a Bingo!

[Gangtackle11]

[/QUOTE] Read this slowly please. What I'm saying is you can't expect being the defending champ is going to win you points with the selection committee when they seed teams. Trust me, I've seen it because I've followed the defending champs much more closely than you have over the last 6 years during the seeding process. See above. I've said all along that JMU could have the best argument for the #1 seed if they finish with the same record as NDSU this year but you can't just decide it based on last year's results without taking into account what each team did this year.[/QUOTE]

Defending champ & undefeated is what you have to answer to. Any season NDSU defending champ & undefeated wasn't #1? That's what I said about JMU. They are undefeated this season they are #1 until they lose.

Read it slow. Not defending champ with 1 loss. Defending champ & no losses. You have found a concept that u can put NDSU #1 in that scenario reeks of homer.

[Professor Chaos]

Read this slowly please. What I'm saying is you can't expect being the defending champ is going to win you points with the selection committee when they seed teams. Trust me, I've seen it because I've followed the defending champs much more closely than you have over the last 6 years during the seeding process. See above. I've said all along that JMU could have the best argument for the #1 seed if they finish with the same record as NDSU this year but you can't just decide it based on last year's results without taking into account what each team did this year.


Defensing champ & undefeated is what you have to answer to. Any season NDSU defending champ & undefeated wasn't #1? That's what I said about JMU. They are undefeated this season they are #1 until they lose.

Read it slow. Not defending champ with 1 loss. Defending champ & no losses. You have found a concept that u can put NDSU #1 in that scenario reeks of homer.
I have JMU as my #1 team in my poll as I have all year and I don't forsee that changing anytime soon if they keep winning because last season still carries a lot of weight for me this early. However, as the year goes on last year carries less and less weight until it means essentially nothing. Say NDSU gets through SDSU on 11/4 and they're still undefeated at 9-0 I'm going to need JMU to show me more than just their 2016 championship trophy for me not to jump NDSU over them. If they easily handle Nova, UNH, and Richmond I have a hard time seeing how NDSU can jump them in my poll at least. But once you get to Selection Sunday being defending champ means zilch whether you're undefeated or on the bubble. Sorry to break it to you.

EDIT: I highly doubt NDSU goes undefeated so if JMU does I'd say there's a 99% chance they're the #1 seed. But that will be because of their stellar resume this year, not because they're defending champs.

[JSUSoutherner]

You blew it with your pedestrian effort on Saturday.
No kidding.

The only way St. Francis scores on us is if Horn throws them pick sixes.

So we just need Roc to get 4 rushing TDs so we can win by 7. Easy.

[Hanca]

Spiders getting too much love at moment. Must show UR can run and get consistent pass rush. They have talent but do not look that formidable under new coaching staff yet. So far, Lauletta and the receiving corps are positives and Clyde on defense. Expect steady improvement and Howard game will be revealing.

[DirtyDukes]

Spiders getting too much love at moment. Must show UR can run and get consistent pass rush. They have talent but do not look that formidable under new coaching staff yet. So far, Lauletta and the receiving corps are positives and Clyde on defense. Expect steady improvement and Howard game will be revealing.

I picked Howard - hope to be wrong, but I think they have too much offense for UR right now a la Soft Houston

[clenz]

No kidding.

The only way St. Francis scores on us is if Horn throws them pick sixes.

So we just need Roc to get 4 rushing TDs so we can win by 7. Easy.
I'd love to see Roc try to run on the MVFC.

He reminds me so much of Shakir Bell from Indiana State a few years ago with how he runs. He'd break a few.....but I have a feeling MVFC defenses would break him, just like they broke Bell.

[Gangtackle11]

I have JMU as my #1 team in my poll as I have all year and I don't forsee that changing anytime soon if they keep winning because last season still carries a lot of weight for me this early. However, as the year goes on last year carries less and less weight until it means essentially nothing. Say NDSU gets through SDSU on 11/4 and they're still undefeated at 9-0 I'm going to need JMU to show me more than just their 2016 championship trophy for me not to jump NDSU over them. If they easily handle Nova, UNH, and Richmond I have a hard time seeing how NDSU can jump them in my poll at least. But once you get to Selection Sunday being defending champ means zilch whether you're undefeated or on the bubble. Sorry to break it to you.

EDIT: I highly doubt NDSU goes undefeated so if JMU does I'd say there's a 99% chance they're the #1 seed. But that will be because of their stellar resume this year, not because they're defending champs.

I appreciate the details,but who said anything about selection Sunday? We were talking about the AGS polls. Do you have input to the selection process? The AGS poll is the topic of discussion here or at least I think it is. JMU undefeated should be #1 and remain #1 in the AGS poll. Sorry to break it to you. xpeacex

[JSUSoutherner]

I'd love to see Roc try to run on the MVFC.

He reminds me so much of Shakir Bell from Indiana State a few years ago with how he runs. He'd break a few.....but I have a feeling MVFC defenses would break him, just like they broke Bell.

I think it would be more of an issue with the offensive line then it would be with Roc. Roc had a healthy 5YPC against GT on 18 carries. Got to win in the trenches before Roc can really break it loose. Fortunately Roc is arguably the best receiving back in FCS so running him isn't the only way to get him involved.

One of the reasons he left Auburn was because Malzahn wanted him to play slot.

[Professor Chaos]

I appreciate the details,but who said anything about selection Sunday? We were talking about the AGS polls. Do you have input to the selection process? The AGS poll is the topic of discussion here or at least I think it is. JMU undefeated should be #1 and remain #1 in the AGS poll. Sorry to break it to you. xpeacex
Well, we'll agree to disagree then. I think even if they keep winning JMU could eventually be supplanted at #1 in my poll ballot by NDSU or SDSU most likely if the chips fall right but I'm just one voter of around 80. To each their own.

In the end I don't really care who #1 is in the polls or the order of the #1 and #2 seeds. The top two are pretty equal in this playoff structure.

[clenz]

I think it would be more of an issue with the offensive line then it would be with Roc. Roc had a healthy 5YPC against GT on 18 carries. Got to win in the trenches before Roc can really break it loose. Fortunately Roc is arguably the best receiving back in FCS so running him isn't the only way to get him involved.

One of the reasons he left Auburn was because Malzahn wanted him to play slot.
I'm sure you never saw Bell play - Bell was built, and ran, exactly like Thomas. Make 7 jukes before getting to the LOS. Try some spin moves. When it worked, it worked. Unfortunately for Bell when it didn't he was lit the **** up in MVFC play.

I remember he had 124 yards in the first half against UNI. Then on the final play (I think) of the first half he tried a cut back and was literally ded on the turf for about 10 minutes. That happened a lot with him. I bet he missed 30-40% of every game he played in simply because he'd try a cut/spin and he'd just get lit the **** up by guys like LJ Fort, Nic DeLuca, Connor Underwood, etc...

[JSUSoutherner]

I'm sure you never saw Bell play - Bell was built, and ran, exactly like Thomas. Make 7 jukes before getting to the LOS. Try some spin moves. When it worked, it worked. Unfortunately for Bell when it didn't he was lit the **** up in MVFC play.

I remember he had 124 yards in the first half against UNI. Then on the final play (I think) of the first half he tried a cut back and was literally ded on the turf for about 10 minutes. That happened a lot with him. I bet he missed 30-40% of every game he played in simply because he'd try a cut/spin and he'd just get lit the **** up by guys like LJ Fort, Nic DeLuca, Connor Underwood, etc...

Well. If this was last year I'd agree with you because Roc spent more of his time dancing than running North South. Fortunately it seems this year the coaches have finally gotten to him. He seems to finally be learning the difference between being shifty and being a ballerina. He hasn't been afraid of contact this year like last either. We would have to see. I was worried about NDSU this year because I figured Deluca would eat his lunch.

[caribbeanhen]

if we had a best Defense poll, Delaware would be top #3 right now, the problem is the offense would be 79th, so that puts the Hens at about #35

if they can figure out to score TD's they will explode up the charts.........

[RootinFerDukes]

Well, we'll agree to disagree then. I think even if they keep winning JMU could eventually be supplanted at #1 in my poll ballot by NDSU or SDSU most likely if the chips fall right but I'm just one voter of around 80. To each their own.

In the end I don't really care who #1 is in the polls or the order of the #1 and #2 seeds. The top two are pretty equal in this playoff structure.

One way that #1 is better than #2 is that ESPN has historically proven they are more willing to air higher seeded teams on the "bigger" networks they have available. It helps from an exposure standpoint.

With that being said, if they feel that one team or matchup has significantly better viewership potential, they'll still throw the bigger fan base on the bigger network of the remaining teams, regardless of seeding.

[JSUSoutherner]

if we had a best Defense poll, Delaware would be top #3 right now, the problem is the offense would be 79th, so that puts the Hens at about #35

if they can figure out to score TD's they will explode up the charts.........
No kidding. JSU would be putting in a hell of a resume for a defensive poll right now.

[caribbeanhen]

good grief, JMU is #1 after that public flogging in Fargo, what's wrong with these Bison fans......

[clenz]

Well. If this was last year I'd agree with you because Roc spent more of his time dancing than running North South. Fortunately it seems this year the coaches have finally gotten to him. He seems to finally be learning the difference between being shifty and being a ballerina. He hasn't been afraid of contact this year like last either. We would have to see. I was worried about NDSU this year because I figured Deluca would eat his lunch.
You're signature is literally him doing a spin move - granted against a defense that clearly doesn't know how to flow to the ball.

I watch that UTC game. 70% of his runs had a spin or juke before the LOS.

When it works it works - but eventually someone is going to crunch him.Then again, he plays in the OVC so probably not.

[Lehigh'98]

No kidding. JSU would be putting in a hell of a resume for a defensive poll right now.

I'm sure they are tough, but are they Lehigh tough on D?

[Professor Chaos]

One way that #1 is better than #2 is that ESPN has historically proven they are more willing to air higher seeded teams on the "bigger" networks they have available. It helps from an exposure standpoint.

With that being said, if they feel that one team or matchup has significantly better viewership potential, they'll still throw the bigger fan base on the bigger network of the remaining teams, regardless of seeding.
Yeah, if all things are equal they'll go with the higher seed but they seem to like full venues the best which not a lot of FCS schools can pull off during playoff time.

[JSUSoutherner]

You're signature is literally him doing a spin move - granted against a defense that clearly doesn't know how to flow to the ball.

I watch that UTC game. 70% of his runs had a spin or juke before the LOS.

When it works it works - but eventually someone is going to crunch him.Then again, he plays in the OVC so probably not.

Wanna bet?

[milleniumkat]

Aside from a secret and until now private infatuation with blonde women wearing green, here's why i tend to lean NDSU #1 at this point:

....0.....

^^That is the number of combined D1 wins by JMU first two opponents thus far.

....0....

That is the number of total Victories by NDSU's first two opponents thus far in 2017.

However, NDSU has played and dominated a perineal FCS playoff team who's only other loss was to a top 40 FBS team.

While neither team has faced a team thus far that has had a taste of a hard fought victory or even much of a pulse to be honest, I still give the Bison win at EWU the nod until proven otherwise.

But the 2 good things for JMU is the Bison are taking a break this week and they will get to strut their stuff vs 0-2 Norfolk state.

With ECU on a two week bye, The Dukes will have to wait until next week before they face a team with a D1 win under their skirts.

[RootinFerDukes]

JFC, we can't even go one week without critics trying to downplay an FBS win over a consistent top end G5 school.

[centennial]

The computers think ECU and EWU are similar. I am not sure ECU can beat EWU. It was a marginal decision for me. Both top teams have awful SOS. At least in NDSU's case I know they are having to buy games because no one will play them. JMU played a FBS but they turned out to be bad.

[RootinFerDukes]

While neither team has faced a team thus far that has had a taste of a hard fought victory or even much of a pulse to be honest, I still give the Bison win at EWU the nod until proven otherwise.

You're literally the worst AGS has to offer.

JMU:
W vs ECU (sagarin 114, massey 122)
W vs ETSU (sagarin 216, massey 223)

Sagarin avg 165, Massey avg 172.5

NDSU:
W vs MVSU (sagarin 252, massey 252)
W vs EWU (sagarin 133, massey 98)

Sagarin avg 192.5, massey avg 175


Does your point still stand through a whopping two weeks?

[JSUSoutherner]

You're literally the worst AGS has to offer.

JMU:
W vs ECU (sagarin 114, massey 122)
W vs ETSU (sagarin 216, massey 223)


Sagarin avg 165, Massey avg 172.5

NDSU:
W vs MVSU (sagarin 252, massey 252)
W vs EWU (sagarin 133, massey 98)

Sagarin avg 192.5, massey avg 175


Does your point still stand through a whopping two weeks?

"Our garbage wins are slightly less garbage than NDSU's garbage wins!" xcoffeex

[RootinFerDukes]

"Our garbage wins are slightly less garbage than NDSU's garbage wins!" xcoffeex

Isn't it sad that I have to point that out while he's trying to argue that an 0-2 EWU squad is more impressive than almost any FBS team right now?

[JSUSoutherner]

Isn't it sad that I have to point that out while he's trying to argue that an 0-2 EWU squad is more impressive than almost any FBS team right now?

ECU may be an FBS team, but they aren't that big a deal. Maybe if they show they have a pulse.

I currently have JMU 1 and NDSU 2 and would change it without hesitation if JMU has a lackluster performance and NDSU shows out. The margin between the two is paper thin IMO and I'm giving JMU the benefit of the doubt right now.

[POD Knows]

You're literally the worst AGS has to offer.

JMU:
W vs ECU (sagarin 114, massey 122)
W vs ETSU (sagarin 216, massey 223)

Sagarin avg 165, Massey avg 172.5

NDSU:
W vs MVSU (sagarin 252, massey 252)
W vs EWU (sagarin 133, massey 98)

Sagarin avg 192.5, massey avg 175


Does your point still stand through a whopping two weeks?It is a wash, all 4 teams suck at this point in time. Also, once you get a "rating" of over 200, does it really matter if you are 252 or 223, both teams suck major balls and you are pretty much splitting hairs with these bottom feeders

[milleniumkat]

JFC, we can't even go one week without critics trying to downplay an FBS win over a consistent top end G5 school.

Define "consistent". And add in how many seasons back do you have to go before that term applies.

It's not a criticism or a slam, it's a fact. ECU has a great chance to start the season 0-5 or even 0-6.

[Thumper 76]

Isn't it sad that I have to point that out while he's trying to argue that an 0-2 EWU squad is more impressive than almost any FBS team right now?

Isn't it sad that in 50% of your own metrics you posted EWU is deemed to be a better team? xcoffeex


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[milleniumkat]

You're literally the worst AGS has to offer.

JMU:
W vs ECU (sagarin 114, massey 122)
W vs ETSU (sagarin 216, massey 223)

Sagarin avg 165, Massey avg 172.5

NDSU:
W vs MVSU (sagarin 252, massey 252)
W vs EWU (sagarin 133, massey 98)

Sagarin avg 192.5, massey avg 175


Does your point still stand through a whopping two weeks?

Thank you! Sagarin can't help you add victories to your opponents. And again, another JMU fan responds to an opposing viewpoint with a personal attack. Imagine that.

[RootinFerDukes]

Define "consistent". And add in how many seasons back do you have to go before that term applies.

It's not a criticism or a slam, it's a fact. ECU has a great chance to start the season 0-5 or even 0-6.

What will your excuse be in 6 weeks when you're trying to spin how the Southland isn't a low end conference while all computer metrics have them in the 150+ range?

[JSUSoutherner]

What will your excuse be in 6 weeks when you're trying to spin how the Southland isn't a low end conference while all computer metrics have them in the 150+ range?

He has a point about ECU's "consistency" They were 3-9 last year and 5-7 the year before and two of their three wins last year were WCU and 3-9 UConn.

[centennial]

It is a wash, all 4 teams suck at this point in time. Also, once you get a "rating" of over 200, does it really matter if you are 252 or 223, both teams suck major balls and you are pretty much splitting hairs with these bottom feeders

NDSU beat their similar opponents better. I voted NDSU as #1 but like we've talked about it's razor thin. And I had JMU #1 till I swapped it last second. I think people are completely underestimating hour good EWU is. They lost to Texas Tech and NDSU. Their SOS is upper P5 worthy.

[RootinFerDukes]

He has a point about ECU's "consistency" They were 3-9 last year and 5-7 the year before and two of their three wins last year were WCU and 3-9 UConn.

But he's using it as a comparison against EWU, an FCS team. Would ECU not have posted a similar record with a similar schedule that EWU has had the last two seasons? Would EWU get more than 3 or 5 wins playing P5 and AAC all season long?

Probably not.

[Catbooster]

You're literally the worst AGS has to offer.

JMU:
W vs ECU (sagarin 114, massey 122)
W vs ETSU (sagarin 216, massey 223)

Sagarin avg 165, Massey avg 172.5

NDSU:
W vs MVSU (sagarin 252, massey 252)
W vs EWU (sagarin 133, massey 98)

Sagarin avg 192.5, massey avg 175


Does your point still stand through a whopping two weeks?
Is your weekly vote in the poll simply a listing of Sag/Massey rankings, or do you think some human judgement is acceptable? Because the rankings you posted confirm what everyone is saying - it is extremely close between these two teams. Which means it is to be expected that different people will give the nod to different teams. Personally, I have JMU #1, but I think it's entirely reasonable to have NDSU as #1.

Are you really that upset about this through a whopping two weeks?

[ST_Lawson]

Be glad you NDSU guys dont have to go thru the gauntlet known as the OVC. Come try to survive a few weeks of AP, Murray, SEMO and TTU.

Phew...yea...we had our hands full with TTU...I'd hate to have to go through all four of those ;)

[DirtyDukes]

Thank you! Sagarin can't help you add victories to your opponents. And again, another JMU fan responds to an opposing viewpoint with a personal attack. Imagine that.

https://i.giphy.com/media/fo6oAlw7zIuNW/giphy.webp

[Lorne_Malvo]

JMU #1 until proven otherwise.

[milleniumkat]

What will your excuse be in 6 weeks when you're trying to spin how the Southland isn't a low end conference while all computer metrics have them in the 150+ range?

i won't be. i know our place.

[DirtyDukes]

i won't be. i know our place.

You feeling okay, MK?

[milleniumkat]

But he's using it as a comparison against EWU, an FCS team. Would ECU not have posted a similar record with a similar schedule that EWU has had the last two seasons? Would EWU get more than 3 or 5 wins playing P5 and AAC all season long?

Probably not.

ewu was capable of beating Washington state last year....Ecu was not and is not. fact.

[milleniumkat]

Is your weekly vote in the poll simply a listing of Sag/Massey rankings, or do you think some human judgement is acceptable? Because the rankings you posted confirm what everyone is saying - it is extremely close between these two teams. Which means it is to be expected that different people will give the nod to different teams. Personally, I have JMU #1, but I think it's entirely reasonable to have NDSU as #1.

Are you really that upset about this through a whopping two weeks?

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[milleniumkat]

also bear in mind that the AAC is not the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12. Not even the Pac 12. ECU has 8 wins in 2.2 seasons in prolly the 6 or 7th best FBS conference. I believe EWU is a better team than ECU today...i know they were last season.

I believe texas tech would beat ecu by more points at home then they did ewu.

I concede that the combined two jmu opponents are better than the combined ndsu opponents. but i think ndsu has the better win. hence "leaning" that direction.

I did not say i was so confident that i would rip my shirt off, lube my torso an wallow on ndsu like a pig in ecstasy. Simply "lean".

[ElCid]

You're literally the worst AGS has to offer.

JMU:
W vs ECU (sagarin 114, massey 122)
W vs ETSU (sagarin 216, massey 223)

Sagarin avg 165, Massey avg 172.5

NDSU:
W vs MVSU (sagarin 252, massey 252)
W vs EWU (sagarin 133, massey 98)

Sagarin avg 192.5, massey avg 175


Does your point still stand through a whopping two weeks?

Not arguing for or against your point, but you really can't use the numerical ranking of the teams. As a rough measure I guess you could, but a much more accurate method would be to use the actual rating #.

For example ECU is ranked 122 in massey, but their overall rating is 1.24, ETSU is ranked 223 but their rating is 0.48. Average is 0.86

MVSU rating is -0.16 and EWU rating is 1.38. Average is 0.61.

The reason you want to use the rating is there could a whole bunch of teams clumped together in ratings but be much further apart in ranking. Just more accurate this way. Sorry, I have a thing for accuracy.

[bobcathpdevil56]

also bear in mind that the AAC is not the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12. Not even the Pac 12. ECU has 8 wins in 2.2 seasons in prolly the 6 or 7th best FBS conference. I believe EWU is a better team than ECU today...i know they were last season.

I believe texas tech would beat ecu by more points at home then they did ewu.

I concede that the combined two jmu opponents are better than the combined ndsu opponents. but i think ndsu has the better win. hence "leaning" that direction.

I did not say i was so confident that i would rip my shirt off, lube my torso an wallow on ndsu like a pig in ecstasy. Simply "lean".

Well said MK

[milleniumkat]

Well said MK

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[thebootfitter]

I had them[University of South Dakota] at 10.

Through 2 weeks their resume is a top 10 resume in the FCS.
Clenz? Is that really you? Or is someone using your profile??? Ha ha!

They have looked surprisingly good this year. Time will tell...

[Serpentor]

JFC, we can't even go one week without critics trying to downplay an FBS win over a consistent top end G5 school.

"Why can't this place just be an echo chamber like I'm used to! Boo-hoo!"

[Schism55]

Clenz? Is that really you? Or is someone using your profile??? Ha ha!

They have looked surprisingly good this year. Time will tell...
This ^. I watched a good chunk of their game vs Bowling Green this weekend, and came away quite impressed. If they stay healthy and continue to play like that they will cause some headaches for opposing mfvc teams. Also, Streveler is a slippery bastage.

[milleniumkat]

i just wanna say..... i ❤️Fcs