Historical FCS Articles

[superman7515]

Thought I'd post some old clippings from various FCS teams. Admittedly, the majority of these are from before there was an FCS, so if this is the wrong area to post them, feel free to move this thread, but fair warning that none of the stuff I post is going to be recent news, so feel free to ignore this thread if that just isn't your thing.

First up...

North Dakota State opened a new 7,500-seat stadium on August 30, 1930, complete with wider 19-inch seats and boxed-in stands to reduce the prairie breezes.

https://i.imgur.com/6zGkXOg.jpg

[PantherRob82]

UNI has a project going to digitalize film from the 50s-70s.

[JALMOND]

Local historian Scotty Moore put together a historical capsule of Providence Park in Portland, up to 2009.

http://scottymoore.net/portland57.html

[superman7515]

https://i.imgur.com/orj0XSb.jpg

W.C. "Cuppy" Farmer was the head coach for Furman in 1913.

[cx500d]

https://i.imgur.com/orj0XSb.jpg

W.C. "Cuppy" Farmer was the head coach for Furman in 1913.

Did they suck in 1913, or did that come later?

[citdog]

https://i.imgur.com/orj0XSb.jpg

W.C. "Cuppy" Farmer was the head coach for Furman in 1913.

furman sucked before and after Cuppy.

[superman7515]

Did they suck in 1913, or did that come later?

Furman have been a terrible football team since at least 1919.

https://i.imgur.com/N2r22Y4.jpg

[cx500d]

Ouch....Maybe that clipping was during the war years when all of Citadel was forward deployed and they hired a proxy team from College of Faith.



Furman have been a terrible football team since at least 1919.

https://i.imgur.com/N2r22Y4.jpg

[citdog]

Furman have been a terrible football team since at least 1919.

https://i.imgur.com/N2r22Y4.jpg

One would have thought that furman would do well in the rain. They are BAPTISTS after all...

[TheKingpin28]

Furman have been a terrible football team since at least 1919.

https://i.imgur.com/N2r22Y4.jpg

Shots fired!

[kymoc91]

One would have thought that furman would do well in the rain. They are BAPTISTS after all...
That would be Methodists being sprinkled

[citdog]

One would have thought that furman would do well in the rain. They are BAPTISTS after all...

Typical Baptist turning fiction into facts in this article. Notice how there is no final score listed but those religious fanatics "clearly outclassed the Cadets" and the excuse written RIGHT into the article "no one doubted that if not for the rain furman would have scored two more touchdowns." Hey long dead furman hack writer why stop at just two additonal touchdowns for furman? Why not 6 gorrilion??? furman, and the taking a ****ing worm nap fluffer journalist, suck.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Great thread man.

[superman7515]

For my little buddy...

https://i.imgur.com/cMWLOOS.jpg

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Thought I'd post some old clippings from various FCS teams. Admittedly, the majority of these are from before there was an FCS, so if this is the wrong area to post them, feel free to move this thread, but fair warning that none of the stuff I post is going to be recent news, so feel free to ignore this thread if that just isn't your thing.

First up...

North Dakota State opened a new 7,500-seat stadium on August 30, 1930, complete with wider 19-inch seats and boxed-in stands to reduce the prairie breezes.

https://i.imgur.com/6zGkXOg.jpg


Gonna need to double those 19 inch seats for that fanbase.

[superman7515]

In 1931, there were still a lot of players being killed every year during games, including Cornelius Murphy Jr. of the Fordham Rams, who was a leading choice for team captain the following year.

https://i.imgur.com/o9AhSUS.jpg

[neverobeyed]

UNI has a project going to digitalize film from the 50s-70s.

Which is pretty awesome ... 250+ films:

https://pawprint.uni.edu/project/7419

[OL FU]

Typical Baptist turning fiction into facts in this article. Notice how there is no final score listed but those religious fanatics "clearly outclassed the Cadets" and the excuse written RIGHT into the article "no one doubted that if not for the rain furman would have scored two more touchdowns." Hey long dead furman hack writer why stop at just two additonal touchdowns for furman? Why not 6 gorrilion??? furman, and the taking a ****ing worm nap fluffer journalist, suck.

While it hasn't been good lately, shall I post the all time series recordxrolleyesx

[CID1990]

While it hasn't been good lately, shall I post the all time series recordxrolleyesx

Will you add one to the W column for us, or do you actually want to wait for this year's game to be played?


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[OL FU]

Either way it's fu all the time

[OL FU]

Or around 65% of the time-:)

[FUBeAR]

Or around 65% of the time-:) I like to express it in terms of the year that the Bellhops would be able to surpass the Paladins IF we make the ridiculous assumption that El Cid wins 'em all, consecutively, until they tie/pass the 'Dins. The key word there is PASS. Nope, not because, they do it so ineffectively...but because, most likely, they all (and me) will have PASSED before that could ever happen. In other words, they all know they'll go to their graves inferior to the Paladins in Football. Sux to be HOPELESS. xthumbsupx

[OL FU]

2039 I believe assuming we don't win a game the next 23 tries. I miss read pass would be 2040!

[FUBeAR]

https://s26.postimg.org/fxb4ar5e1/IMG_0306.jpg

One one of the best Furman Teams ever - 1980.

Closed out Sirrine Stadium with a sound whipping of THE Bellhops, but at 9-1-1, missed an invitation to the Tangerine Bowl because we let an NAIA Wofford team tie us 14-14 at Home. Goldangit, I sure am hatin' those mangy anklebiters right about now! xbangx

[OL FU]

Yeah that wofford game is a bad memory. I was looking forward to going to Florida.

[citdog]

Either way it's fu all the time


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUw93iaci_k

[citdog]

https://s26.postimg.org/fxb4ar5e1/IMG_0306.jpg

One one of the best Furman Teams ever - 1980.

Closed out Sirrine Stadium with a sound whipping of THE Bellhops, but at 9-1-1, missed an invitation to the Tangerine Bowl because we let an NAIA Wofford team tie us 14-14 at Home. Goldangit, I sure am hatin' those mangy anklebiters right about now! xbangx

The newcomers to the FCS, who either didn't have football or toiled in obscurity in the lower divisions, have NO idea how tough the SoCon was as a BIGTIME conference before the split. The all time record for those programs isn't as important as WHO THEY PLAYED...

[citdog]

I like to express it in terms of the year that the Bellhops would be able to surpass the Paladins IF we make the ridiculous assumption that El Cid wins 'em all, consecutively, until they tie/pass the 'Dins. The key word there is PASS. Nope, not because, they do it so ineffectively...but because, most likely, they all (and me) will have PASSED before that could ever happen. In other words, they all know they'll go to their graves inferior to the Paladins in Football. Sux to be HOPELESS. xthumbsupx

History is unimportant xlolx in THIS instance ONLY.... OTHERWISE history is SUPER important!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faMZeh_vmVU

[OL FU]

Citdog are you ever coming back to greenville . You need to see mom and take advantage of my paladin generosity

[OL FU]

History is unimportant xlolx in eo]

The fall of the chief lost cause head -:)

[TheKingpin28]

This is a great thread!

[citdog]

Citdog are you ever coming back to greenville . You need to see mom and take advantage of my paladin generosity


OlFu it is my hope that these eyes get to gaze upon the unsurpassed by any other place on earth beauty of the GLORIOUS and GALLANT State of South Carolina once more before they carry me to my reward upon the grounds of the "Old Place" in Coward, SC next to men FAR better than I.

[cx500d]

OlFu it is my hope that these eyes get to gaze upon the unsurpassed by any other place on earth beauty of the GLORIOUS and GALLANT State of South Carolina once more before they carry me to my reward upon the grounds of the "Old Place" in Coward, SC next to men FAR better than I.
How fitting...

[citdog]

How fitting...

Named for this FINE gentleman...

Colonel Asbury Coward Confederate States of America

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/find-a-grave-prod/photos/2008/315/11093714_122642691760.jpg

Colonel Asbury Coward (1835-1925) was a Yorkville (York), SC citizen, founder of Kings Mountain Military Academy, Confederate veteran, and past president of The Citadel.
Col. Coward was born in Charleston, South Carolina in 1835 and graduated from The Citadel in 1854. After graduation Col. Coward relocated to Yorkville, SC and with fellow Citadel graduate, Micah Jenkins, founded the King's Mountain Military Academy as a preparatory school for the Citadel in 1855. The school thrived until the school closed following the outbreak of the American Civil War when Coward, Jenkins, and 200 cadets joined the fray.
During the Civil War, Colonel Coward served with distinction in the Virginia campaigns and later in the in Georgia and Tennessee campaign. Col. Coward was with Confederate General Robert E. Lee during the surrender of the Army of Northern Virginia at Appomattox.
After the war Colonel Coward reopened the Kings Mountain Military Academy, but with South Carolina under military rule and with the death of Micah Jenkins during the war the school struggled until the school closed in 1886.
In 1890, Colonel Coward became president of The Citadel and served in the capacity until 1908.

[OL FU]

OlFu it is my hope that these eyes get to gaze upon the unsurpassed by any other place on earth beauty of the GLORIOUS and GALLANT State of South Carolina once more before they carry me to my reward upon the grounds of the "Old Place" in Coward, SC next to men FAR better than I.

So that means no. Cuz we both know I'm biting dust before you

[cx500d]

Named for this FINE gentleman...

Colonel Asbury Coward Confederate States of America

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/find-a-grave-prod/photos/2008/315/11093714_122642691760.jpg

Colonel Asbury Coward (1835-1925) was a Yorkville (York), SC citizen, founder of Kings Mountain Military Academy, Confederate veteran, and past president of The Citadel.
Col. Coward was born in Charleston, South Carolina in 1835 and graduated from The Citadel in 1854. After graduation Col. Coward relocated to Yorkville, SC and with fellow Citadel graduate, Micah Jenkins, founded the King's Mountain Military Academy as a preparatory school for the Citadel in 1855. The school thrived until the school closed following the outbreak of the American Civil War when Coward, Jenkins, and 200 cadets joined the fray.
During the Civil War, Colonel Coward served with distinction in the Virginia campaigns and later in the in Georgia and Tennessee campaign. Col. Coward was with Confederate General Robert E. Lee during the surrender of the Army of Northern Virginia at Appomattox.
After the war Colonel Coward reopened the Kings Mountain Military Academy, but with South Carolina under military rule and with the death of Micah Jenkins during the war the school struggled until the school closed in 1886.
In 1890, Colonel Coward became president of The Citadel and served in the capacity until 1908.


Not a good name for a soldier, IMO...

Was this his theme song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV-7D4io1Rs

[citdog]

Not a good name for a soldier, IMO...

Was this his theme song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV-7D4io1Rs

He WAS NOT one of those.

[superman7515]

Getting this back on track...

https://i.imgur.com/7WWndg7.jpg

On Saturday October 25, 1913 the Montana Grizzlies played the Utah Aggies. Montana would go on to lose the game 9-7, with the local papers complaining that Utah did not play "straight football" and instead opted to utilize the forward pass, completing an unheard of 8 of 11 passes for 60 yards 6 inches, a mighty sum that was the difference maker considering Montana rushed for 151 yards and Utah rushed for 156. The start of the game was delayed because the University of Montana had forgotten to inflate their only football. The Grizzlies lone touchdown was scored because Utah was backed up to their own 7-yard line; when they punted, the ball was muffed, and rolled backwards across their own goal line where a Montana player covered it for the score.

[ST_Lawson]

Here's a pdf of the November 18, (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByPDE7UbxQr3TlBaQjZzSmJ0bXc/view?usp=sharing)1959 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByPDE7UbxQr3TlBaQjZzSmJ0bXc/view?usp=sharing) issue of the Western Courier (WIU's campus newspaper). (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByPDE7UbxQr3TlBaQjZzSmJ0bXc/view?usp=sharing)

Most of it is dedicated to or discussing the team/season, which was the only undefeated season in Western's history (http://cfbinfo.com/team/western-illinois-leathernecks/1959).

The coaching staff included:
HC Lou Saban (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Saban) - coached 21 years in the college ranks, 16 years in pro football (Patriots, Bills, Broncos), retired from coaching after 2002 season. Possibly distantly related to Lou Saban, although that's unconfirmed.
Line Coach Robert "Red" Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Miller) - Originally from Macomb, was line coach with various NFL teams from 1960-1976, HC of Denver Broncos from '77-'80 ("Orange Crush" years) and was unanimously elected to the Broncos Ring of Fame this last May (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/05/04/miller-broncos-ring-fame/).

Players on that team:
Booker Edgerson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booker_Edgerson) - 9 years in NFL, mostly Bills, AFL All-Star (1965), Bills Wall of Fame (2010)
Larry Garron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Garron) - 9 years in Boston Patriots, 4x AFL All-Star, Patriots All-Decade Team for 1960's
Jack (http://Jack Atchason)Atchason (http://Jack Atchason) - 1 year in AFL (Patriots and Oilers)
Bill Larson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Larson_(fullback)) - 1 year in AFL (Patriots), despite what Wikipedia says, he did play for Western Illinois, not Illinois Wesleyan.
Leroy Jackson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leroy_Jackson) - drafted in the first round and traded to Washington. Was 1 of 3 who were the first black players to take the field for the Redskins (https://sports.yahoo.com/news/football-thursday--redskins--forgotten-racial-pioneer-lives-with-mystery-of-his-short-lived-career-210938052.html) in 1962, as special teams member on the opening kickoff in the season opener against Dallas. Caught an 85-yard TD pass in a game against the Baltimore Colts that year (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leroy_Jackson). Was cut after the 1962 season after he was found in a hotel room with a white woman (neither had spouses...just an unmarried, interracial relationship in the early 1960s).
Mike McFarland - Drafted in the 20th round of the 1961 NFL draft by the Minnesota Vikings. Did not see any playing time.

[Bisonator]

On Saturday October 25, 1913 the Montana Grizzlies played the Utah Aggies. Montana would go on to lose the game 9-7, with the local papers complaining that Utah did not play "straight football" and instead opted to utilize the forward pass, completing an unheard of 8 of 11 passes for 60 yards 6 inches, a mighty sum that was the difference maker considering Montana rushed for 151 yards and Utah rushed for 156. The start of the game was delayed because the University of Montana had forgotten to inflate their only football. The Grizzlies lone touchdown was scored because Utah was backed up to their own 7-yard line; when they punted, the ball was muffed, and rolled backwards across their own goal line where a Montana player covered it for the score.
Lol some of these early games must of been funny as hell. xlolx

[DirtyDukes]

http://sites.jmu.edu/mad70s/files/2013/04/img017.jpg

First Football game on Godwin Field at JMU.

[ST_Lawson]

Lol some of these early games must of been funny as hell. xlolx

Yea, you read some of these older descriptions of football games and really it just sounds like a bunch of guys running around in the mud, chasing a ball around until someone falls on it.

Rules?..who needs rules?

[superman7515]

On Saturday October 6, 1979 the Florida A&M Rattlers outrushed Howard Schnellenberger's Miami Hurricanes 296 yards to 115 yards, with the Rattler defense holding the 'Canes to just 36 total yards in the entire second half, on their way to a 16-13 victory. Schnellenberger was nearly run out of town in his first season after admitting that by the end of the game, Miami was just playing for a tie, as they knew they couldn't score a touchdown against the Rattler defense.

https://i.imgur.com/6WemgP3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3r0SNMk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gA0tRzX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uiEUbkc.jpg

[FUBeAR]

https://s26.postimg.org/nmxs84ysp/IMG_0101.jpg

I was at this game selling Cokes/Sprites/Pepsis & Mountains (AKA mixers) to the drunks in the stands at Carter Stadium on this day. Did this at all NCSU Home Games for several teen years. Got in free, made a few bucks, and watched the 2nd half. Had no idea that day that I would eventually become a Paladin, but I liked the way they played & I dug those Purple Pants!

Fun fact about this article. The final score is wrong. It was 18-12 Furman; not 17-10 ( http://gopack.com/mobile/schedule.aspx?schedule=167 ) not sure how they got that wrong.

[OL FU]

https://s26.postimg.org/nmxs84ysp/IMG_0101.jpg

I was at this game selling Cokes/Sprites/Pepsis & Mountains (AKA mixers) to the drunks in the stands at Carter Stadium on this day. Did this at all NCSU Home Games for several teen years. Got in free, made a few bucks, and watched the 2nd half. Had no idea that day that I would eventually become a Paladin, but I liked the way they played & I dug those Purple Pants!

Fun fact about this article. The final score is wrong. It was 18-12 Furman; not 17-10 ( http://gopack.com/mobile/schedule.aspx?schedule=167 ) not sure how they got that wrong.

My sophomore year. Went to FU because it was a good school and close to home. All thru the 60s and early 70s non scholly football for fun had been the fu game. After that I became a fan and have been ever sense. Thx FUBeAR!

[caribbeanhen]

https://i.imgur.com/orj0XSb.jpg

W.C. "Cuppy" Farmer was the head coach for Furman in 1913.

Wow, that guy looks eerily familiar

[superman7515]

On Friday, August 9, 1974, Gerald Ford was inaugurated as the 38th President of the United States of America, opining that, "My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over."

Little could President Ford have known that just 10-years later, on October 10, 1984, it would begin all over again as the newly reinstated Villanova Wildcats reached an agreement to join the Yankee Conference with Boston, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Richmond.

https://i.imgur.com/4EoEanZ.jpg

"This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” - Douglas Adams, pretty sure he was talking about allowing Villanova into the conference.

[Sader87]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/1942/11/29/holy-cross-routs-fenway/pvqj6VnTPTdlUiMrPIOPZN/story.html

[The Boogie Down]

In 1931, there were still a lot of players being killed every year during games, including Cornelius Murphy Jr. of the Fordham Rams, who was a leading choice for team captain the following year.

https://i.imgur.com/o9AhSUS.jpg


Great find, Supe!

While still just a sophomore Connie Murphy was one of Fordham's first All-Americans and the star of the 1930 Rams. After the 1937 Blocks of Granite team and the 1941 Sugar Bowl winning team, that 1930 squad was probably the best of 'em all. Coached by Frank "the Iron Major" Cavanaugh, they were also the first to truly put Fordham on the football map. Until the late 1920s Fordham played its games on campus at Fordham Field, a small 2-sided wooden structure with a track around it that could only seat about 4,000 fans. Afterwards, and as Fordham transitioned into a football power, home games were usually staged at the Polo Grounds. Murphy helped bring in crowds which included 75,000 fans to a sold out Yankee Stadium in 1931. A week later came the infamous Bucknell affair back at the Polo Grounds.

Apparently Murphy's injuries weren't supposed to be life threatening. Another player, John Szymanski, who came in to replace Murphy, left in a coma. In the end Syzmanski made a full recovery while Murphy died suddenly one week later from a ruptured artery. According to an article linked below (with some minor mistakes in it, like claiming the old Polo Grounds was in The Bronx), Murphy was as beloved off the field as he was on it. Not only was he popular in Rose Hill but football players from NYU, Columbia and Manhattan all went to his service to pay respect.

The following season Fordham Field (which was relegated to a practice field once games moved off campus) was renamed Murphy Field. The wooden stands were lost in the 1950s after Fordham dropped football. The entire field was moved about 30 yards west to make room for the Lombardi Center (an indoor intramural facility) in the 1970s. That move also took out the track. Another reconfiguration took place in the 1990s to make room for a neighboring softball field but Murphy Field is still around today. Despite the many changes, players from Connie Murphy himself, to NFL Hall of Famer Alex Wojciechowicz, to Sugar Bowl star Alex Santilli (killed by a Japanese sniper in WWII), to longtime NY Jet Kurt Sohn, to Chase Edmonds have all practiced on Murphy Field. Thanks to a new turf and lights it looks better now than ever before.

Here's a photo taken from the school's website:
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26045&stc=1

Here's a link to the aforementioned article: http://beforeitsnews.com/international/2012/04/70-years-later-fordham-football-star-not-forgotten-2017408.html

[UAalum72]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/1942/11/29/holy-cross-routs-fenway/pvqj6VnTPTdlUiMrPIOPZN/story.html

They don't write like that any more. Nor are we likely to see a player named Bubbles Natowich.

Lucky for the Beagles they didn't feel like partying at the Cocoanut Grove that night.

[Southern Bison]

Getting this back on track...

https://i.imgur.com/7WWndg7.jpg

On Saturday October 25, 1913 the Montana Grizzlies played the Utah Aggies. Montana would go on to lose the game 9-7, with the local papers complaining that Utah did not play "straight football" and instead opted to utilize the forward pass, completing an unheard of 8 of 11 passes for 60 yards 6 inches, a mighty sum that was the difference maker considering Montana rushed for 151 yards and Utah rushed for 156. The start of the game was delayed because the University of Montana had forgotten to inflate their only football. The Grizzlies lone touchdown was scored because Utah was backed up to their own 7-yard line; when they punted, the ball was muffed, and rolled backwards across their own goal line where a Montana player covered it for the score.

Obviously, an ancestor of Brady went to Montana...

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[superman7515]

In 1990, Coach Roy Kidd's Eastern Kentucky Colonels were a powerhouse team led by quarterback Lorenzo Fields that were among the top favorites for the national championship. But then Fields went down with a broken leg after scoring a 41-yard touchdown in the second half of a game vs Tennessee State; this after Fields had already been removed from the game when the Colonels had a 34-0 lead, but then asked to go back in.

Eastern Kentucky would win the game easily to move to 7-0, and continue their streak for another 3 games behind backup QB Joey Crenshaw, but it all came to an end on November 17, 1990 when Eastern Kentucky dropped their final game of the season to Morehead State. Not only did this put an end to their perfect season, but the loss dropped Eastern Kentucky (10-1) from #1 in the country to #5, behind Georgia Southern (8-3), a team Eastern Kentucky had beaten handily in Statesboro earlier in the year. Coach Kidd was furious, as only the top 4 teams were seeded, and Eastern Kentucky went from the #1 seed and an opening home game against Jackson State, to playing Furman. Sure enough, the Paladins would easily walk over the ailing Colonels, who made one last run at a title the following year in 1991, but have never been a legitimate national title contender since.

https://i.imgur.com/uRl2iAJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Vh7aq6e.jpg

[superman7515]

The lead up to the 1978 Pioneer Bowl (the name of the 1AA National Championship game) which saw Florida A&M defeat Massachusetts for the title. Florida A&M had originally been rejected when they applied for reclassification and were only added to 1AA on August 30, two weeks before their season began, and managed to win the 1AA title despite playing a schedule where 5 of their 9 regular season opponents were Division 2.

https://i.imgur.com/tGu4Rtf.jpg

[World]

1903 College Football National Championship
http://tiptop25.com/champ1903.html

[Go...gate]

1903 College Football National Championship


http://tiptop25.com/champ1903.html

Gotta love that '03 schedule. Four current Ivies (Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Yale), four current Patriots (Bucknell, Georgetown, Lafayette, Lehigh), and three "OOC" foes Carlisle, Gettysburg and Swarthmore.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Gotta love that '03 schedule. Four current Ivies (Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Yale), four current Patriots (Bucknell, Georgetown, Lafayette, Lehigh), and three "OOC" foes Carlisle, Gettysburg and Swarthmore.

So their schedule hasn't changed in 114 years...

[citdog]

So their schedule hasn't changed in 114 years...

Nope. Lol at the cute little ivy and patsy leagues.

[World]

Nope. Lol at the cute little ivy and patsy leagues.


Speaking of "Patsies"


This pretty much sums it up

2017 Strength of Schedule Rankings as of Sept 24, 2017

https://www.masseyratings.com/rate.p...2017&sub=11605 (https://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cf2017&sub=11605)

49. Cornell
84. Harvard
85. Brown
92. Penn
96. Yale
106. Princeton
107. Citadel

[citdog]

Speaking of "Patsies"


This pretty much sums it up

2017 Strength of Schedule Rankings as of Sept 24, 2017

https://www.masseyratings.com/rate.p...2017&sub=11605 (https://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cf2017&sub=11605)

49. Cornell
84. Harvard
85. Brown
92. Penn
96. Yale
106. Princeton
107. Citadel

I thought you ivy league boys were supposed to be smart... Do you think repetition makes a meaningless stat carry more weight? We both know you won't post a link to that stat at the END of the season...

[cx500d]

The SoS #'s seem a little odd. Without understanding how they are calculated, I just took the average of all the opponents rankings for several teams, SHSU, NDSU, Cornell, and Citadel, and this does not track the SoS rankings at all. Sammy's SoS is higher than NDSU, as well as Cornell and Citadel, but when you average each opponents rank, Sammy's average opponent rank is much lower than the other three teams mentioned here.

[ElCid]

The SoS #'s seem a little odd. Without understanding how they are calculated, I just took the average of all the opponents rankings for several teams, SHSU, NDSU, Cornell, and Citadel, and this does not track the SoS rankings at all. Sammy's SoS is higher than NDSU, as well as Cornell and Citadel, but when you average each opponents rank, Sammy's average opponent rank is much lower than the other three teams mentioned here.

I mentioned this in another thread. I can only go by what you said. If you really meant "ranking" then that may be your problem. You can't use a simple numerical rank (1-124). You must use the actual rating numbers (e.g. 39.65) not the rank (e.g. #15).

Their could be a huge number of teams who are all close in rating but far apart in ranking, that using the ranking # would skew the numbers bad. You have to use the raw rating numbers to be accurate. Also, don't forget to take home and away into account.

[cx500d]

I mentioned this in another thread. I can only go by what you said. If you really meant "ranking" then that may be your problem. You can't use a simple numerical rank (1-124). You must use the actual rating numbers (e.g. 39.65) not the rank (e.g. #15).

Their could be a huge number of teams who are all close in rating but far apart in ranking, that using the ranking # would skew the numbers bad. You have to use the raw rating numbers to be accurate. Also, don't forget to take home and away into account.

Yeah, I was only using rankings since the other numbers have fuzzy math behind them that are I guess the secret sauce of Massey. I had no factor of home vs away either.

[World]

I mentioned this in another thread. I can only go by what you said. If you really meant "ranking" then that may be your problem. You can't use a simple numerical rank (1-124). You must use the actual rating numbers (e.g. 39.65) not the rank (e.g. #15).

Their could be a huge number of teams who are all close in rating but far apart in ranking, that using the ranking # would skew the numbers bad. You have to use the raw rating numbers to be accurate. Also, don't forget to take home and away into account.


Excellent points

Makes sense

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Fellers, you see that a guy is trying to do something kind of cool here right?

[citdog]

Fellers, you see that a guy is trying to do something kind of cool here right?

Smacking down ivy league pukes is pretty cool....


:D

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Smacking down ivy league pukes is pretty cool....


:D
...in a thread that was started already about this exact issue.

[World]

...in a thread that was started already about this exact issue.

It's all right

the guy is probably just tired of hanging around The Citadel people, where men are men and sheep are scared

[Bill]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26178&stc=1

Here's one from the end of my college days...

[superman7515]

Good call Bill, who can forget Mayhem in Bethlehem '91...

https://i.imgur.com/CA7oFns.jpg