In hindsight, would Carson Wentz or Dak Prescott be the No. 1 pick in the 2016 draft?

[BisonBacker]

It is always risky mortgaging the future of an NFL franchise for a draft pick, but that is exactly what the Eagles did before the 2016 draft when they bet the house on the No. 2 overall pick Carson Wentz.
The risk was high, and the reward is playing out.
If there were a reset button for the 2016 NFL Draft, where would Wentz go? Would he be taken before or after Cowboys QB Dak Prescott?

More at the link below.....
http://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2017/08/07/in-hindsight-would-carson-wentz-or-dak-prescott-be-the-no-1-pick-in-the-2016-draft/

[NHwildEcat]

I know this is just a fun exercise, but I'd say it is far too early to tell. Based on one season, Dak was better. Certainly doesn't mean it will play out that way- they both show signs of long term success so time will tell.

Should be fun to watch!

[TheRevSFA]

Dak also had a much better team around him

[BisonFan02]

Dak is the next RGIII

[FormerPokeCenter]

Dak's skills are a LOT further along than RGIII's were...plus his leadership intangibles are off the charts...

[TheRevSFA]

Dak is the next RGIII

RGIII could have been great had Shanahan not destroyed his legs

[BisonTru]

RGIII could have been great had Shanahan not destroyed his legs

Wrong.

RGIII was a dual threat quarterback that Shanahan utilized to his strengths.

RGIII himself with the somewhat forced hands of coaches afterwards tried to make him something he's not.

[TheRevSFA]

Wrong.

RGIII was a dual threat quarterback that Shanahan utilized to his strengths.

RGIII himself with the somewhat forced hands of coaches afterwards tried to make him something he's not.

Wrong. Shanahan played him injured when he shouldn't have. Destroyed his legs and killed the speed threat.

Also, the Eagles suck, so Wentz sucks too by association.

[BisonTru]

Wrong. Shanahan played him injured when he shouldn't have. Destroyed his legs and killed the speed threat.

Also, the Eagles suck, so Wentz sucks too by association.

Wrong. Wentz was a Bison. Once a Bison always a Bison. So he's solid and by association so are the Eagles.

The Cowboys are Mexico's team and their fans have the football equivalent understanding as your average Mexican. :D

If it wasn't for Shanahan and his great rookie season, we'd be talking about RGIII as your draft bust similar to Vince Young and Johnny Manziel.

RGIII was NEVER going to be a pocket passer and Mike and anyone that understands the position knew that.

[chattownmocs]

Carson looked like a man amongst boys the other night.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Wrong.

RGIII was a dual threat quarterback that Shanahan utilized to his strengths.

RGIII himself with the somewhat forced hands of coaches afterwards tried to make him something he's not.


Wrong.

Big deal if he was a dual threat. That is not the NFL game for the QB. Consistently running a QB will more times than not will lead to injury.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Dak also had a much better team around him


This here.

Great OL and a very good running back.

Carson with that supporting cast would have been great also.

[BisonTru]

Wrong.

Big deal if he was a dual threat. That is not the NFL game for the QB. Consistently running a QB will more times than not will lead to injury.

Like every coach since Shanahan has tried with RGIII?

RGIII was never a good pocket passer and never was going to be. Keep blaming Mike but it's on Robert.


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[BisonBacker]

I think the truth is somewhat of both regarding RGIII. Trying to run a QB in the NFL consistently as a "dual threat" QB will lead to a shorter career. Top that off with RGIII and his lack of ability to consistently deliver accurate passes was a problem. Even last year when the Browns tried to use him against the Eagles you could see his accuracy issues. Play like that injured or not won't keep you in the NFL very long.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Like every coach since Shanahan has tried with RGIII?

RGIII was never a good pocket passer and never was going to be. Keep blaming Mike but it's on Robert.


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Wrong again.

RGIII was a very good pocket passer in college. Great, probably not but calling him "never a good pocket passer" is bunk.

At Baylor:

Junior year - 3501 yards 22 TDs - 8 INTs
Senior year - 4293 yards 37 TDs - 6 INTs

He was a very good runner also. I'm sure the Redskins thought he would make a very good pocket passer and his first 2 years were not too bad there. "utilizing strengths" as you said might work as a gimmick for awhile in the NFL but the speed of defenses will eventually put any QB out of the game.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I think the truth is somewhat of both regarding RGIII. Trying to run a QB in the NFL consistently as a "dual threat" QB will lead to a shorter career. Top that off with RGIII and his lack of ability to consistently deliver accurate passes was a problem. Even last year when the Browns tried to use him against the Eagles you could see his accuracy issues. Play like that injured or not won't keep you in the NFL very long.



Ya, a career that ended to quickly. He was a talent at one time.

[TheRevSFA]

The eagles still suck

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

The eagles still suck


Just wait, you'll be a fan in no time.

[BisonTru]

The eagles still suck

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/86/23/64/862364102b441bb426da41a0ab17af78--what-if-what-to-do-when.jpg

[BisonTru]

Wrong again.

RGIII was a very good pocket passer in college. Great, probably not but calling him "never a good pocket passer" is bunk.

At Baylor:

Junior year - 3501 yards 22 TDs - 8 INTs
Senior year - 4293 yards 37 TDs - 6 INTs

He was a very good runner also. I'm sure the Redskins thought he would make a very good pocket passer and his first 2 years were not too bad there. "utilizing strengths" as you said might work as a gimmick for awhile in the NFL but the speed of defenses will eventually put any QB out of the game.

What was the reason in your mind why every coach and organization since Mike Shanahan could not develop RGIII into a decent pocket passer despite all of them trying?

Are you blaming all of that on being banged up his first year?

[TheRevSFA]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/86/23/64/862364102b441bb426da41a0ab17af78--what-if-what-to-do-when.jpg

this would be great had it been actually brought up.

Thankfully wentz will keep the eagles at a perfect 0 championships

[TheRevSFA]

Just wait, you'll be a fan in no time.

Hate the Philadelphia team just as much as I hate Don Henley's Eagles

[cx500d]

Hate the Philadelphia team just as much as I hate Don Henley's Eagles

I thought it was Glen Frey's eagles.


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[TheRevSFA]

I thought it was Glen Frey's eagles.


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well, he's dead...

[cx500d]

well, he's dead...

Are you implying there is still a version of the eagles still around? Heresy


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[TheRevSFA]

Are you implying there is still a version of the eagles still around? Heresy


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xlolx

[BisonTru]

this would be great had it been actually brought up.

Thankfully wentz will keep the eagles at a perfect 0 championships

I'm sure you're all excited that in true Cowboys fashion you've got a new young criminal all star. Give it time. This thread will be a good laugh in 15 years. Wentz>>>Dak. :Dxthumbsupx

[cx500d]

I'm sure you're all excited that in true Cowboys fashion you've got a new young criminal all star. Give it time. This thread will be a good laugh in 15 years. Wentz>>>Dak. :Dxthumbsupx

Who?


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[TheRevSFA]

I'm sure you're all excited that in true Cowboys fashion you've got a new young criminal all star. Give it time. This thread will be a good laugh in 15 years. Wentz>>>Dak. :Dxthumbsupx

You guys gonna throw snowballs at Santa again this year?

Hate to break it to you, but I agree with the NFL suspension. Shocking, I know. But, when Dallas meets philly on Nov 19, Zeke will be back

[TheRevSFA]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25825&stc=1

[BisonTru]

You guys gonna throw snowballs at Santa again this year?

Hate to break it to you, but I agree with the NFL suspension. Shocking, I know. But, when Dallas meets philly on Nov 19, Zeke will be back

Santa was drunk. It was a tactical move to keep him in a somewhat straight line.

I hope Zeke is back. Let Fletcher Cox have his day with belly boy.

[BisonTru]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c3/51/97/c3519766e6310023c1e9e99d9df9f99d--nfl-jokes-nfl-dallas-cowboys.jpg

[POD Knows]

You guys gonna throw snowballs at Santa again this year?

Hate to break it to you, but I agree with the NFL suspension. Shocking, I know. But, when Dallas meets philly on Nov 19, Zeke will be backHe will weigh 300 lbs by then, it already looks like he put on some tonage in the off season. He is starting to look like Lacy did for the Packers. I could run through the hole the Dallas O line opens up.

[POD Knows]

Santa was drunk. It was a tactical move to keep him in a somewhat straight line.

I hope Zeke is back. Let Fletcher Cox have his day with belly boy.You noticed that too, it looks like this guy gained 30 lbs in the off season.

[TheRevSFA]

You noticed that too, it looks like this guy gained 30 lbs in the off season.

Hes got 6 weeks to work it off. I'd hate to see him pull a Lacy though

[Bisonator]

You guys gonna throw snowballs at Santa again this year?

Hate to break it to you, but I agree with the NFL suspension. Shocking, I know. But, when Dallas meets philly on Nov 19, Zeke will be back
He can meet https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/7TbJbysl8Zf7N9StBbRqtiWolYc=/0x0:900x1200/1200x800/filters:focal(378x528:522x672)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/54608847/C_7pi_2XgAEpXsq.0.jpg

[BisonTru]

You noticed that too, it looks like this guy gained 30 lbs in the off season.

I guess I was more referring to his obsession with showing off his belly. The only other group of guys I've seen do that weren't interested in women. It's fitting for Cowboy nation, tho. xthumbsupx

[POD Knows]

I guess I was more referring to his obsession with showing off his belly. The only other group of guys I've seen do that weren't interested in women. It's fitting for Cowboy nation, tho. xthumbsupxLOL, yea, I agree 100% and this Zeke guy has more girth to show off this year. He is fat as **** or at least he was in the highlight reel I saw.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Carson has a decent/good supporting cast this here. I think he'll really take off this year.

[POD Knows]

Carson has a decent/good supporting cast this here. I think he'll really take off this year.Did you see what a sieve that O line was against G Bay?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Did you see what a sieve that O line was against G Bay?


It better improve for sure.

[Bisonator]

Did you see what a sieve that O line was against G Bay?
On a side note what kind of douche bag is McCarthy to blitz every fricking down in the first preseason game?xsmhx

[NHwildEcat]

Carson has a decent/good supporting cast this here. I think he'll really take off this year.

Yeah, they might flirt with the Redskins for 3rd place...exciting times in Philly.

[TheRevSFA]

Yeah, they might flirt with the Redskins for 3rd place...exciting times in Philly.

xnodx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Yeah, they might flirt with the Redskins for 3rd place...exciting times in Philly.


They win the East this year!

[TheRevSFA]

They win the East this year!

Friendly wager?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Friendly wager?


Bring it!!

Wager?

[cx500d]

Let me guess, quart of oil vs quart of honey?

[TheRevSFA]

Let me guess, quart of oil vs quart of honey?

Actually I should just send him some rotella as a thank you.

[TheRevSFA]

Bring it!!

Wager?

something fun for here. Avatar? Signature?

[cx500d]

Actually I should just send him some rotella as a thank you.

Yeah, the honey is worth more than nutella.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

something fun for here. Avatar? Signature?


Sure. Or loser donates to AGS.

[TheRevSFA]

Yeah, the honey is worth more than nutella.

BFNM what kind of car/truck are you rolling in these days?

[TheRevSFA]

Sure. Or loser donates to AGS.

Maybe instead of AGS, we donate to St Jude's Children's Hospital in memory of UAH's dad.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Maybe instead of AGS, we donate to St Jude's Children's Hospital in memory of UAH's dad.



That's a good one!

Is $100 good?

[TheRevSFA]

That's a good one!

Is $100 good?

If the eagles finish higher than the cowboys, in regular season standings, I shall donate 100 dollars

if the cowboys finish higher than the eagles, in regular season standings, you shall donate 100 dollars

just wanted to lay out terms of bet and I gladly accept my part

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

If the eagles finish higher than the cowboys, in regular season standings, I shall donate 100 dollars

if the cowboys finish higher than the eagles, in regular season standings, you shall donate 100 dollars

just wanted to lay out terms of bet and I gladly accept my part


Sounds good, I accept!!

Win/win!!

[Rjones61]

100% Carson. He looks more like a young Aarons Rodgers every day.

[BisonFan02]

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2017/9/20/16338602/eagles-carson-wentz-quarterback-disconnect-philadelphia-nfl-draft-2017-film-room-study-franchise

This made me giggle. #drafttwitter

[CHIP72]

To answer the thread title, neither.

So far in his career, Carson Wentz has the makings of being a somewhat better than average but not great/very good NFL quarterback. That's not good enough for a #2 overall pick. We'll see if that trend continues.

[BisonBacker]

To answer the thread title, neither.

So far in his career, Carson Wentz has the makings of being a somewhat better than average but not great/very good NFL quarterback. That's not good enough for a #2 overall pick. We'll see if that trend continues.

So in 18 games you can predict this? Wow

[Da Bison]

To answer the thread title, neither.

So far in his career, Carson Wentz has the makings of being a somewhat better than average but not great/very good NFL quarterback. That's not good enough for a #2 overall pick. We'll see if that trend continues.Emory, is that you?

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[BisonBacker]

Emory, is that you?

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Clearly on the same level as Emory xlolx

[Professor Chaos]

To answer the thread title, neither.

So far in his career, Carson Wentz has the makings of being a somewhat better than average but not great/very good NFL quarterback. That's not good enough for a #2 overall pick. We'll see if that trend continues.
Well, to be fair he did say "so far" and "we'll see if that trend continues".

But I'd challenge you to show me a QB who is now considered great/very good that had a better first year and 3 games than Wentz has had. You're not going to find much. He obviously has a lot of improving to do still but I think his trajectory compares favorably with some of the greats. The toughest part is keeping up with that trajectory though.

[BisonBacker]

Well, to be fair he did say "so far" and "we'll see if that trend continues".

But I'd challenge you to show me a QB who is now considered great/very good that had a better first year and 3 games than Wentz has had. You're not going to find much. He obviously has a lot of improving to do still but I think his trajectory compares favorably with some of the greats. The toughest part is keeping up with that trajectory though.


Once he starts to complete some of those deep balls to Alshon or Torrey all this talk will disappear and people will be talking about where in the top 10 or top 5 QB's in the league does he fit in.

[BisonTru]

Wentz was asked about this upcoming week playing in a soccer stadium and the effect that might have.

He responded, with I have played in a soccer stadium 5 years in a row in the national championship game in college. I have fond memories of soccer stadiums.

[BisonBacker]

This is what sets Carson apart from any of the other rookies or young QB's from his class in my opinion. I'd say in the last 3-4 years classes for that matter.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/250598/carson-wentz-showing-rare-command-early-in-eagles-career