AGS Poll Results - PRESEASON - 07/31/2017

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AGS Poll Results - PRESEASON - 07/31/2017


AND HERE WE GO!!!




Rank
Team
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
James Madison Dukes
1862
64


2
North Dakota State Bison
1784
8


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1624
2


4
Eastern Washington Eagles
1541



5
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1464
1


6
Richmond Spiders
1447



7
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1326



8
Wofford Terriers
1308



9
Villanova Wildcats
1199



10
Youngstown State Penguins
1175



11
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
1114



12
Chattanooga Mocs
953



13
Central Arkansas Bears
934



14
The Citadel Bulldogs
902



15
New Hampshire Wildcats
798



16
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
653



17
Samford Bulldogs
623



18
Illinois State Redbirds
529



19
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
507



20
Western Illinois Leathernecks
351



21
Cal Poly Mustangs
344



22
Northern Iowa Panthers
338



23
Fordham Rams
155



24
Weber State Wildcats
147



25
Albany Great Danes
146






















ORV:




26
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
138



27
San Diego Toreros
131



28
Montana Grizzlies
121



29
McNeese State Cowboys
98



30
Grambling State Tigers
96



31
North Carolina A&T Aggies
94



32
North Carolina Central Eagles
56



33
South Dakota Coyotes
44



34
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
42



35
William & Mary Tribe
39



36
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
34



37T
Harvard Crimson
33



37T
Saint Francis Red Flash
33



39
Maine Black Bears
28



40
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
26

[clenz]

UNI in the top 25?

Really?

[RootinFerDukes]

SHSU at #5 with one first place vote? You all have got to be kidding me.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

How the **** is UNI in the top 25?

I was a contributing factor...

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: The Citadel Bulldogs
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Fordham Rams
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: Pennsylvania Quakers
25: Samford Bulldogs

[BEAR]

Last year's PRESEASON poll (thanks URSUS)



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2047
79
-


2
Northern Iowa Panthers
1836
1
-


3
Richmond Spiders
1789

-


4
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1775
1
-


5
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1731
1
-


6
Chattanooga Mocs
1438

-


7
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1436

-


8
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
1369

-


9
James Madison Dukes
1164

-


10
William & Mary Tribe
1154

-


11
Montana Grizzlies
1120

-


12
Illinois State Redbirds
1112

-


13
The Citadel Bulldogs
916

-


14
McNeese State Cowboys
893

-


15
Portland State Vikings
892

-


16
Eastern Washington Eagles
637

-


17
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
580

-


18
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
511

-


19
Western Illinois Leathernecks
472

-


20
Colgate Raiders
456

-


21
Youngstown State Penguins
390

-


22
Villanova Wildcats
374

-


23
New Hampshire Wildcats
292

-


24
Towson Tigers
284

-


25
Fordham Rams
261

-









ORV:





26
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
247

-


27
Harvard Crimson
215

-


28
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
206

-


29
Samford Bulldogs
139

-


30
Liberty Flames
136

-


31
Eastern Illinois Panthers
125

-


32
North Carolina A&T Aggies
77

-


33
Western Carolina Catamounts
59

-


34
Dartmouth Big Green
53

-


35
Montana State Bobcats
48

-


36
South Carolina State Bulldogs
47

-


37
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
40

-


38
Central Arkansas Bears
38

-


39
Cal Poly Mustangs
29

-


40
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
27

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[BisonFan02]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Lehigh Mountain Hawks

[POD Knows]

OK, here it is, I am probably going to catch some flak over the Montana deal.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: The Citadel Bulldogs
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Albany Great Danes

[BisonFan02]

OK, here it is, I am probably going to catch some flak over the Montana deal.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: The Citadel Bulldogs
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Albany Great Danes

I had Montana in the same slot. xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Last year's poll:



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2047
79
-


2
Northern Iowa Panthers
1836
1
-


3
Richmond Spiders
1789

-


4
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1775
1
-


5
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1731
1
-


6
Chattanooga Mocs
1438

-


7
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1436

-


8
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
1369

-


9
James Madison Dukes
1164

-


10
William & Mary Tribe
1154

-


11
Montana Grizzlies
1120

-


12
Illinois State Redbirds
1112

-


13
The Citadel Bulldogs
916

-


14
McNeese State Cowboys
893

-


15
Portland State Vikings
892

-


16
Eastern Washington Eagles
637

-


17
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
580

-


18
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
511

-


19
Western Illinois Leathernecks
472

-


20
Colgate Raiders
456

-


21
Youngstown State Penguins
390

-


22
Villanova Wildcats
374

-


23
New Hampshire Wildcats
292

-


24
Towson Tigers
284

-


25
Fordham Rams
261

-









ORV:





26
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
247

-


27
Harvard Crimson
215

-


28
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
206

-


29
Samford Bulldogs
139

-


30
Liberty Flames
136

-


31
Eastern Illinois Panthers
125

-


32
North Carolina A&T Aggies
77

-


33
Western Carolina Catamounts
59

-


34
Dartmouth Big Green
53

-


35
Montana State Bobcats
48

-


36
South Carolina State Bulldogs
47

-


37
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
40

-


38
Central Arkansas Bears
38

-


39
Cal Poly Mustangs
29

-


40
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
27

-






Last years Preseason poll...

[BisonTru]

OK, here it is, I am probably going to catch some flak over the Montana deal.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: The Citadel Bulldogs
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Albany Great Danes

This poll sucks and you should feel bad about it. :D

[TheRevSFA]

Who the **** voted Sam number 1?

[RootinFerDukes]

Who the **** voted Sam number 1?

KC Keeler or MilleniumKat. It could be either.

[The Pud]

Sammy should be ranked number 4.............higher than Jacksonville St.

[POD Knows]

I had Montana in the same slot. xlolxLOL, yea, I saw that, somebody has them at 11 or something. They are my dark horse. They may be better than people think.

[BisonFan02]

Who the **** voted Sam number 1?

Probably Caribbean.

[Daytripper]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
6: Richmond Spiders
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Western Illinois Leathernecks
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Weber State Wildcats
24: Nicholls State Colonels
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[Thumper 76]

This poll sucks and you should feel bad about it. :D

Pretty damn awful if you ask me. Who let that guy vote?


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[BisonFan02]

KC Keeler or MilleniumKat. It could be either.

It can't be a SHSU fan or that lone #1 would be tossed.

[BisonTru]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Richmond Spiders
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: San Diego Toreros
21: Western Illinois Leathernecks
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: Saint Francis Red Flash
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Albany Great Danes

[The Pud]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
6: Richmond Spiders
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Western Illinois Leathernecks
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Weber State Wildcats
24: Nicholls State Colonels
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

I like this poll you have here sir. Only change I would make would be to switch order with North Dakota and Richmond.

[BisonTru]

UNI in the top 25?

Really?

Yeah, I'm not getting this. Lost a lot of talent. Lost almost all their coaches. Didn't finish in the top 25 to finish last year.

What's everyone's reasoning they are going to rebound?

*Not saying they won't because Farley seems to do well when everyone counts them out, but on paper I don't see it.

[Thumper 76]

Welp, here's my first ballot ever. Pretty interesting that after the first vote I had technical issues and when I refilled it out of found a bunch of things I didn't like about my first one. So I redid it about four times.

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 7/30/2017 19:02:08

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Montana State Bobcats
24: Cal Poly Mustangs
25: San Diego Toreros

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win:
The Most Significant Loss:
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference



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[POD Knows]

Yeah, I'm not getting this. Lost a lot of talent. Lost almost all their coaches. Didn't finish in the top 25 to finish last year.

What's everyone's reasoning they are going to rebound?

*Not saying they won't because Farley seems to do well when everyone counts them out, but on paper I don't see it.UNI would kick San Diego's ass but I know that doesn't necessarily mean anything. UNI will be pretty solid defensively. Decent QB, maybe, who knows.

[Thumper 76]

Yeah, I'm not getting this. Lost a lot of talent. Lost almost all their coaches. Didn't finish in the top 25 to finish last year.

What's everyone's reasoning they are going to rebound?

*Not saying they won't because Farley seems to do well when everyone counts them out, but on paper I don't see it.

From clips I've seen from their practices they are actually practicing some under center stuff. Which tells me they might actually be dropping the tom foolery to some extent and could be extremely dangerous this year. Plus Farely could actually be coaching for his job now. Might make him coach with what actually works instead of trying to force a vision that won't. They never have a talent issue. I thought they are dangerous enough to fill out the bottom with Montana and Montana state as two other teams I think turn it around this year.


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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Yeah, I'm not getting this. Lost a lot of talent. Lost almost all their coaches. Didn't finish in the top 25 to finish last year.

What's everyone's reasoning they are going to rebound?

*Not saying they won't because Farley seems to do well when everyone counts them out, but on paper I don't see it.

Their schedule seems more favorable this year. I can see 7-4 which is good enough for the Top 25.

[DirtyDukes]

SHSU at #5 with one first place vote? You all have got to be kidding me.

Yeah, they got blown out of the Semis (edit, Quarters), how would you have them top 4? They had the worst showing of the last 8. Terrible.


I was a contributing factor...

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: The Citadel Bulldogs
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Fordham Rams
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: Pennsylvania Quakers
25: Samford Bulldogs

Teeeeeee for Temple YOUUUUUUU UUUUUUU NEED TO REDO YOUR POLL
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My Initial attempt:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Richmond Spiders
7: The Citadel Bulldogs
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
16: Grambling State Tigers
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
19: North Carolina Central Eagles
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: San Diego Toreros
23: Montana Grizzlies
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: Weber State Wildcats

[ST_Lawson]

19 last year, 20 this year....we're consistent at least


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[Hambone]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Richmond Spiders
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Chattanooga Mocs
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: The Citadel Bulldogs
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
19: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

[Thumper 76]

Yeah, they got blown out of the Semis, how would you have them top 4? They had the worst showing of the last 8. Terrible.



Well they were still quarter finalists despite the result of that game. Plus they return more than the majority of FCS does from last year. As much **** as I give SHSUs fans as a voter I feel I need to step back and look at the big picture, not focus on the results of just one game. Personally I feel they gave up in the JMU game. But they have the talent to be a top 4 team IMO. We'll see what happens as the season goes on.



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[Bisonator]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
WTF is this slop? Did you use a dart board again??xlolx

[clenz]

Their schedule seems more favorable this year. I can see 7-4 which is good enough for the Top 25.

So you're ranking records?

What if the 4 losses are NDSU, SDSU, YSU and Iowa State? There might be 1 quality win. Is it still a top 25 record?

[BisonTru]

Well they were still semi finalists despite the result of that game. Plus they return more than the majority of FCS does from last year. As much **** as I give SHSUs fans as a voter I feel I need to step back and look at the big picture, not focus on the results of just one game. Personally I feel they gave up in the JMU game. But they have the talent to be a top 4 team IMO. We'll see what happens as the season goes on.



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Umm.... they got knocked out in the quarter finals. Semi finalists were (JMU, NDSU, YSU, EWU).

[Thumper 76]

Umm.... they got knocked out in the quarter finals. Semi finalists were (JMU, NDSU, YSU, EWU).

My bad. Same concept. To be fair I was just going off of what the post I quoted said. Which was by a fan of the team that played them so I didn't think about it.


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[Professor Chaos]

Here's the Wedge blog post for the preseason poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-2017-preseason-top-25-results/

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

So you're ranking records?

What if the 4 losses are NDSU, SDSU, YSU and Iowa State? There might be 1 quality win. Is it still a top 25 record?

Absolutely! Relative to the rest of the FCS. Still means wins over Cal Poly, SUU and WIU while playing in a Top 2 FCS conference. Hell, there's 6-5 teams getting votes by the end of the year.

[Professor Chaos]

Welp, here's my first ballot ever. Pretty interesting that after the first vote I had technical issues and when I refilled it out of found a bunch of things I didn't like about my first one. So I redid it about four times.

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 7/30/2017 19:02:08

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Montana State Bobcats
24: Cal Poly Mustangs
25: San Diego Toreros

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win:
The Most Significant Loss:
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference



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No YSU? I'm not saying that couldn't be prophetic given what they lost but leaving a previous year's finalist completely out of the preseason top 25 is bold.

[GetEmGriz]

OK, here it is, I am probably going to catch some flak over the Montana deal.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: The Citadel Bulldogs
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Albany Great Danes

Montana is a little high at #17, but at least you have them in the top 25! Hopefully they'll end the season in the top 10. Schedule sets up perfectly for a run.

[BisonFan02]

WTF is this slop? Did you use a dart board again??xlolx

Where's yours? :D

[Thumper 76]

No YSU? I'm not saying that couldn't be prophetic given what they lost but leaving a previous year's finalist completely out of the preseason top 25 is bold.

Dammit. I meant to have them right after Wofferd.


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[BisonTru]

Here's the Wedge blog post for the preseason poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-2017-preseason-top-25-results/

I get WIU moving up 10 spots considering how much they're bringing back. I'm just not seeing the reasoning why UNI is getting the largest jump in the poll. IMO, Northern Iowa and Montana have to be getting by on name only.

*Either way, nice write up whoever did it.

[POD Knows]

Montana is a little high at #17, but at least you have them in the top 25! Hopefully they'll end the season in the top 10. Schedule sets up perfectly for a run.This was my toughest call, probably a little high at the start. You have the only other three "quality" teams in the BSC at home and that was really the reason why I put you where I did. Win all three of those, who knows, could be top ten unless you choke away the cupcakes on the road.

[Daytripper]

The persuasive power of the McNeese sandbaggers is finally bearing fruit....xcoffeex

[Professor Chaos]

I get WIU moving up 10 spots considering how much they're bringing back. I'm just not seeing the reasoning why UNI is getting the largest jump in the poll. IMO, Northern Iowa and Montana have to be getting by on name only.

*Either way, nice write up whoever did it.
That would be yours truly. xbowx

Thanks!


As far as UNI's jump I do believe Supe did a "most overrated teams of the AGS poll era" write up last year by comparing teams who most consistently finished below their preseason rankings by the time the final ranking came out. I do believe UNI was #1 on that list. Old habits die hard here I guess. :D

[BisonBacker]

Here's mine. Rip away boys.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: The Citadel Bulldogs
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Cal Poly Mustangs
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
21: San Diego Toreros
22: Western Illinois Leathernecks
23: Fordham Rams
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Montana Grizzlies

[KPSUL]

OK, here it is, I am probably going to catch some flak over the Montana deal.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: The Citadel Bulldogs
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Albany Great Danes

Not really, I'd never count the Griz out of the championship equation in a preseason poll. I do question UND at #9.

[RootinFerDukes]

I get WIU moving up 10 spots considering how much they're bringing back. I'm just not seeing the reasoning why UNI is getting the largest jump in the poll. IMO, Northern Iowa and Montana have to be getting by on name only.

*Either way, nice write up whoever did it.

I'm starting to realize Montana, UNI and SHSU all get excessively generous bumps due to "name recognition".

[POD Knows]

I get WIU moving up 10 spots considering how much they're bringing back. I'm just not seeing the reasoning why UNI is getting the largest jump in the poll. IMO, Northern Iowa and Montana have to be getting by on name only.

*Either way, nice write up whoever did it.Check Montana's schedule, they have EWU, NAU and UND at home, all the cupcakes are on the road. Could be interesting.

[Bisonator]

Where's yours? :D
Mine would be worse, that's why I don't do it. Some of you are pulling down the AGS poll.xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Well they were still quarter finalists despite the result of that game. Plus they return more than the majority of FCS does from last year. As much **** as I give SHSUs fans as a voter I feel I need to step back and look at the big picture, not focus on the results of just one game. Personally I feel they gave up in the JMU game. But they have the talent to be a top 4 team IMO. We'll see what happens as the season goes on.



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You are already building a good philosophy and trying to say anything about what one thinks they might be this year based on that game is just a fool's errand.

That game don't mean **** except for laying some smack over some Texas hubris maybe.

Dirty Dukes, you can go at it how you want to but you ought to look around at some of the experience and so forth before you go too deep on some of your critique. I'm trying to save you a bit of possible embarrassment later on.

[Bisonator]

Lots of love for Richmond as a top 5 team. Do they get all their players back healthy or what?

[BisonFan02]

Mine would be worse, that's why I don't do it. Some of you are pulling down the AGS poll.xlolx

Exactly. Now go home and get your ****ing shinebox. :D

[BisonTru]

Check Montana's schedule, they have EWU, NAU and UND at home, all the cupcakes are on the road. Could be interesting.

Their schedule is favorable especially with two auto DI wins in the preseason, but I don't look a lot at schedule at this point. If you have a favorable schedule I expect you to do well with it. If you don't I can be more sympathetic to a so-so record. IMO, Montana has to get to 7-4 for playoff consideration, IMHO.

[Thumper 76]

Mine would be worse, that's why I don't do it. Some of you are pulling down the AGS poll.xlolx

And we're damn proud of it too damn it :D


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[Daytripper]

You are already building a good philosophy and trying to say anything about what one thinks they might be this year based on that game is just a fool's errand.

That game don't mean **** except for laying some smack over some Texas hubris maybe.

Dirty Dukes, you can go at it how you want to but you ought to look around at some of the experience and so forth before you go too deep on some of your critique. I'm trying to save you a bit of possible embarrassment later on.

The Bearkat hate is strong with DD. Not sure why. Remember, the opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference.

[BisonTru]

Lots of love for Richmond as a top 5 team. Do they get all their players back healthy or what?

Lauletta will be back from injury. They lose an average amount, but IMO the CAA will probably be either won by JMU or Richmond. Whichever team gets that conference auto should be a high seed.

[BisonFan02]

Lauletta will be back from injury. They lose an average amount, but IMO the CAA will probably be either won by JMU or Richmond. Whichever team gets that conference auto should be a high seed.

Toss Villanova in there too. 3 solid teams at the top.

[The Yo Show]

This was mine, it leaves much to be desired after seeing other's posted here... namely, I left Montana out. I don't know what I was thinking. Please feel free to flame about anything else on it. I'll try to learn from the criticism. Luckily this was the preseason poll xdrunkyx

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: William & Mary Tribe
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Grambling State Tigers
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: San Diego Toreros
23: North Carolina Central Eagles
24: Western Illinois Leathernecks
25: Illinois State Redbirds

[KPSUL]

Lots of love for Richmond as a top 5 team. Do they get all their players back healthy or what?

They have a lot of returning starters, but they did lose a very productive wide receiver, Brian Brown, and QB Kyle Lauletta is coming back from knee surgery. In addition, brand new head coach Huesman relied heavily on a very mobile QB at Chatty, which Lauletta is not. While I don't expect them to fall off the charts, I think 5 is a bit generous.

[RootinFerDukes]

Their schedule is favorable especially with two auto DI wins in the preseason, but I don't look a lot at schedule at this point. If you have a favorable schedule I expect you to do well with it. If you don't I can be more sympathetic to a so-so record. IMO, Montana has to get to 7-4 for playoff consideration, IMHO.

So far we have a small sample size of two 6 D1 win teams making the field and they both came from the MVFC. I still consider the minimum D1 win threshold to be 7 wins for all other conferences until shown otherwise.

[RootinFerDukes]

Toss Villanova in there too. 3 solid teams at the top.

Villanova has to prove they can offensively produce against the top CAA teams. That was their problem last year.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The Bearkat hate is strong with DD. Not sure why. Remember, the opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference.

Hey, the SHSU group brought all of that on themselves in last years playoffs so it was earned. Still doesn't mean the actual squad won't be damn good this year and really the Preseason is based a bit off last year of course but it is mostly a prediction by people of where they think teams will end up at the time the playoffs get rolling.

[wmmii]

Lauletta will be back from injury. They lose an average amount, but IMO the CAA will probably be either won by JMU or Richmond. Whichever team gets that conference auto should be a high seed.

Schedule favors 'Nova to beat Spiders for second spot in CAA. JMU clear conference favorite.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This was mine, it leaves much to be desired after seeing other's posted here... namely, I left Montana out. I don't know what I was thinking. Please feel free to flame about anything else on it. I'll try to learn from the criticism. Luckily this was the preseason poll xdrunkyx

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: William & Mary Tribe
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Grambling State Tigers
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: San Diego Toreros
23: North Carolina Central Eagles
24: Western Illinois Leathernecks
25: Illinois State Redbirds

Leaving Montana out is not a bad idea at this point so no one will gripe about that.

[KPSUL]

This was mine, it leaves much to be desired after seeing other's posted here... namely, I left Montana out. I don't know what I was thinking. Please feel free to flame about anything else on it. I'll try to learn from the criticism. Luckily this was the preseason poll xdrunkyx

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: William & Mary Tribe
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Grambling State Tigers
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: San Diego Toreros
23: North Carolina Central Eagles
24: Western Illinois Leathernecks
25: Illinois State Redbirds

I made the same mistake regarding Montana. Why is YSU so low coming off a National Championship appearance? You didn't include UNH, although we do have some question marks and play all of our toughest opponents on the road - it's not unreasonable. But I do believe we could beat Grambling, Weber State, NC Central and of course Lehigh.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

New guys, here is a tip. If you are leaving a team off of your ballot and you feel bad about it then it is an easy corretion in Week 1 and the best thing you can do every week is check your top 25 against the list of 25 or superman's list and make sure you have all the names on your ballot you intend to have there.

A great way to do that is to have a spreadsheet that you use each week for your votes. It will make you more consistent and make your life much easier.

As always, the sages should chip in and throw out any good tips they have for newbs to get them up to speed.

[KPSUL]

Since I'm providing feedback on others, here's mine:

: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: The Citadel Bulldogs
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Maine Black Bears
21: San Diego Toreros
22: Cal Poly Mustangs
23: Fordham Rams
24: Eastern Illinois Panthers
25: Albany Great Danes

[FUBeAR]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Samford Bulldogs
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Mercer Bears
20: Furman Paladins
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Kennesaw State Owls

Before you begin bashing, please recall that last August, there was 1 poster on this entire Board who was saying that the SoCon would have 4 Playoff Teams in 2016. FUBeAR endured a host of slings & arrows for making such an audacious claim. Many of those attacks came from hardcore SoCon Fans, who were really having a hard time seeing 2 Teams from the 2nd strongest conference in FCS making the Playoffs...which made no sense to this Bear of little brain. We all know how that turned out.

This is the 1st poll, as recorded this day...faithfully submitted...

[Daytripper]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Samford Bulldogs
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Mercer Bears
20: Furman Paladins
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Kennesaw State Owls

Before you begin bashing, please recall that last August, there was 1 poster on this entire Board who was saying that the SoCon would have 4 Playoff Teams in 2016. FUBeAR endured a host of slings & arrows for making such an audacious claim. Many of those attacks came from hardcore SoCon Fans, who were really having a hard time seeing 2 Teams from the 2nd strongest conference in FCS making the Playoffs...which made no sense to this Bear of little brain. We all know how that turned out.

This is the 1st poll, as recorded this day...faithfully submitted...

Your poll is the highest I have seen UNI.

[BisonFan02]

New guys, here is a tip. If you are leaving a team off of your ballot and you feel bad about it then it is an easy corretion in Week 1 and the best thing you can do every week is check your top 25 against the list of 25 or superman's list and make sure you have all the names on your ballot you intend to have there.

A great way to do that is to have a spreadsheet that you use each week for your votes. It will make you more consistent and make your life much easier.

As always, the sages should chip in and throw out any good tips they have for newbs to get them up to speed.

This. Print off your prior poll and keep tabs on whos in and out. Im not lobbying for "slot" voting, but it is an easy check to make sure you don't miss someone you intended to include. I always keep a cue of about 10ish teams as "first ones out" that I keep my eye on as well.

[Professor Chaos]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Samford Bulldogs
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Mercer Bears
20: Furman Paladins
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Kennesaw State Owls

Before you begin bashing, please recall that last August, there was 1 poster on this entire Board who was saying that the SoCon would have 4 Playoff Teams in 2016. FUBeAR endured a host of slings & arrows for making such an audacious claim. Many of those attacks came from hardcore SoCon Fans, who were really having a hard time seeing 2 Teams from the 2nd strongest conference in FCS making the Playoffs...which made no sense to this Bear of little brain. We all know how that turned out.

This is the 1st poll, as recorded this day...faithfully submitted...
So based on your preseason poll you're predicting 6 SOCON teams in the playoffs this year?

[BisonTru]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Samford Bulldogs
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Mercer Bears
20: Furman Paladins
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Kennesaw State Owls

Before you begin bashing, please recall that last August, there was 1 poster on this entire Board who was saying that the SoCon would have 4 Playoff Teams in 2016. FUBeAR endured a host of slings & arrows for making such an audacious claim. Many of those attacks came from hardcore SoCon Fans, who were really having a hard time seeing 2 Teams from the 2nd strongest conference in FCS making the Playoffs...which made no sense to this Bear of little brain. We all know how that turned out.

This is the 1st poll, as recorded this day...faithfully submitted...

You left out ETSU, WCU, and VMI.

[BisonTru]

This. Print off your prior poll and keep tabs on whos in and out. Im not lobbying for "slot" voting, but it is an easy check to make sure you don't miss someone you intended to include. I always keep a cue of about 10ish teams as "first ones out" that I keep my eye on as well.

I just throw my poll in google sheets. Nothing fancy just a list of my top 25 and the next week I start a new column. I double check against last week to make sure if a team dropped off I had reasoning for it. It's a good idea to double check against Supe's list as well.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I noticed Lehigh isn't ranked on several polls. To end up 19th must mean some people had them really high.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This. Print off your prior poll and keep tabs on whos in and out. Im not lobbying for "slot" voting, but it is an easy check to make sure you don't miss someone you intended to include. I always keep a cue of about 10ish teams as "first ones out" that I keep my eye on as well.

Well the thing about that slot voting deal is to just remove the numbers completely, place the lists side by side and alpha sort them. Then it's easy to see if you are missing one that you wanted and when you have your list of 25 teams then place them in the order you feel without even looking at the old poll or the AGS Poll.

I know you know this, just trying to add to your message point.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

So based on your preseason poll you're predicting 6 SOCON teams in the playoffs this year?

Yes, that is some definite conference bias but I saw a couple ballots that did that (new guys tend to go that way at first) so luckily it gets washed out fairly well.

[BisonFan02]

Well the thing about that slot voting deal is to just remove the numbers completely, place the lists side by side and alpha sort them. Then it's easy to see if you are missing one that you wanted and when you have your list of 25 teams then place them in the order you feel without even looking at the old poll or the AGS Poll.

I know you know this, just trying to add to your message point.

True. The point there is that there are a million different methods to have a similar check/balance. Pick one that works.

[Gangtackle11]

Villanova has to prove they can offensively produce against the top CAA teams. That was their problem last year.

Not going argue this point, but I expect the offense to be better. QB is now a redshirt junior & if he's going to the next level then this will be the year. Return 9 starters on offense. We will run the ball effectively and maybe spectacularly if RS frosh is as good as advertised. Defense will take a step down from the best in the FCS last season, but I bet they are still a top 20 if not Top 10 defense by year's end.

Lehigh will give us an indication if we can hang with some of the FCS bad boys. Imperative to win there as we have tougher opponents down the road. We may not recover from a Lehigh loss to make the playoffs. Some will say relax its Week 1. I see it as a key indicator game on the direction of Villanova's season.

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[Evolution Prime]

Rip away...

1. James Madison
2. North Dakota State
3. South Dakota State
4. Eastern Washington
5. Jacksonville State
6. Richmond
7. Sam Houston State
8. Wofford
9. Central Arkansas
10. The Citadel
11. Villanova
12. Charleston Southern
13. North Dakota
14. New Hampshire
15. Youngstown State
16. Samford
17. Lehigh
18. Illinois State
19. Western Illinois
20. St. Francis
21. Albany
22. Fordham
23. Maine
24. Northern Iowa
25. San Diego

[Professor Chaos]

Yes, that is some definite conference bias but I saw a couple ballots that did that (new guys tend to go that way at first) so luckily it gets washed out fairly well.
Well to be fair he did have 7 MVFC teams in there too.

[Daytripper]

Rip away...

1. James Madison
2. North Dakota State
3. South Dakota State
4. Eastern Washington
5. Jacksonville State
6. Richmond
7. Sam Houston State
8. Wofford
9. Central Arkansas
10. The Citadel
11. Villanova
12. Charleston Southern
13. North Dakota
14. New Hampshire
15. Youngstown State
16. Samford
17. Lehigh
18. Illinois State
19. Western Illinois
20. St. Francis
21. Albany
22. Fordham
23. Maine
24. Northern Iowa
25. San Diego

Not a whole lot to argue about, in my opinion.

[cx500d]

The gospel according to cx500d


1: James Madison Dukes
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: The Citadel Bulldogs
16: Maine Black Bears
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: San Diego Toreros



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[KPSUL]

I noticed Lehigh isn't ranked on several polls. To end up 19th must mean some people had them really high.

Going into the Lehigh @ UNH playoff game last season, I saw the game as a toss-up. I was very surprised to see UNH push Lehigh all over the field and win by 40+. I realize your starting QB did not start and was hurting health-wise when he did play. But there was far more difference than just QB play - also, on paper, the UNH #1 QB did not play any of the game. UNH was no powerhouse last season, so consequently it wasn't like you lost by 40+ to a JMU or NDSU. May have just been an anomaly, but you have to admit it was a bad showing. With Chase Edmonds playing what seems like his 13th season, I'm picking Fordham to win the PL.

[DirtyDukes]

You are already building a good philosophy and trying to say anything about what one thinks they might be this year based on that game is just a fool's errand.

That game don't mean **** except for laying some smack over some Texas hubris maybe.

Dirty Dukes, you can go at it how you want to but you ought to look around at some of the experience and so forth before you go too deep on some of your critique. I'm trying to save you a bit of possible embarrassment later on.

If the poll was a prediction of where the teams will end up in the playoffs, then I fudged up. I thought it was a prediction of where they are before the season.

As for the SHSU hate, I don't really have it. I just really don't think they're any good. I saw them play in person - did they give up? Yeah, but even before that they did not impress. The way their fans were talking they were this huge juggernaut and I just saw a team that reminded me of Rhode Island.

[Daytripper]

If the poll was a prediction of where the teams will end up in the playoffs, then I fudged up. I thought it was a prediction of where they are before the season.

As for the SHSU hate, I don't really have it. I just really don't think they're any good. I saw them play in person - did they give up? Yeah, but even before that they did not impress. The way their fans were talking they were this huge juggernaut and I just saw a team that reminded me of Rhode Island.

So, if they beat Richmond are they still not any good?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Going into the Lehigh @ UNH playoff game last season, I saw the game as a toss-up. I was very surprised to see UNH push Lehigh all over the field and win by 40+. I realize your starting QB did not start and was hurting health-wise when he did play. But there was far more difference than just QB play - also, on paper, the UNH #1 QB did not play any of the game. UNH was no powerhouse last season, so consequently it wasn't like you lost by 40+ to a JMU or NDSU. May have just been an anomaly, but you have to admit it was a bad showing. I'm picking Fordham to win the PL.

That was a shocking outcome! Easily Lehigh's worst playoff performance. The problem was the defense last year and it was exposed in the playoffs when the offense didn't have its usual swagger. Lehigh is loaded on offense once again. The question comes down to defense.

Picking Fordham though kind of goes against what you said about Lehig-UNH. Lehigh beat the Rams 58-37 last year and had down 51-14 iirc late in the 3rd before throwing in the towel. That game was similar to Lehigh-UNH. A complete head scratcher....

[BisonFan02]

The gospel according to cx500d


1: James Madison Dukes
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: The Citadel Bulldogs
16: Maine Black Bears
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: San Diego Toreros



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Well, now I have a partner with the 4th ranking of NDSU. xlolx

[gotts]

Took a year off and looking forward to getting back into the swing of things as far as the poll goes! As with any preseason poll, a few things could have been switched around, but that's what developing a body of work is for, right?

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Wofford Terriers
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
19: Western Illinois Leathernecks
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Cal Poly Mustangs
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: Fordham Rams

[mmiller_34]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: The Citadel Bulldogs
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Western Illinois Leathernecks
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: North Carolina Central Eagles
24: Fordham Rams
25: San Diego Toreros

mmiller_34

[KPSUL]

Picking Fordham though kind of goes against what you said about Lehig-UNH. Lehigh beat the Rams 58-37 last year and had down 51-14 iirc late in the 3rd before throwing in the towel. That game was similar to Lehigh-UNH. A complete head scratcher....

You may very well be right about the PL 2017 Champs. I don't have a lot of PL first hand experience. Colgate circa 2015 made me think the PL had moved to new level of play and the scholarships were beginning to level the CAA / PL playing field. But PL OOC results and the playoff appearance in 2016 have given reason to question that.

[FUBeAR]

Well to be fair he did have 7 MVFC teams in there too.

Yep - the 2 strongest (overall) conferences in FCS are starting the season well-represented in my poll. What I saw from The Big Lie Conference in the Playoffs last season really opened my eyes & other than JMU, I was "meh" (at best) about the CAA Teams I watched. I struggled to put EWU as high as I did and ranking UNH at all was painful for me. On the other hand, I saw 3 SoCon Teams that were as good as any in the field. So, we'll see how it plays out.

I will not predict more than 4 SoCon Playoff Teams in 2017...yet.

AND...

IF...
...ETSU gets by Limestone & then upsets JMU
...Western Carolina beats Hawaii
...VMI beats Air Force

...we'll rank all 3 of them as well!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

If the poll was a prediction of where the teams will end up in the playoffs, then I fudged up. I thought it was a prediction of where they are before the season.

As for the SHSU hate, I don't really have it. I just really don't think they're any good. I saw them play in person - did they give up? Yeah, but even before that they did not impress. The way their fans were talking they were this huge juggernaut and I just saw a team that reminded me of Rhode Island.

Here is what I was getting at but didn't work it out fully. Some voters use it as predictive of playoffs or the end of the season and others do exactly as you do. There are seriously some very interesting philosophies on how people do it and I guarantee you as you go at least one thing you hold dear now will be gone after doing it a couple of years. That game was an anomoly if you ask me. It was very bad but that team was much more talented than tehy looked that day.

Not nearly as talented as JMU but all the same, had talent and couldn't get out of their own way.

[IBleedYellow]

It's nice knowing I'm not voting this year.

Next year I'll ramp back up.

[KPSUL]

Yep - the 2 strongest (overall) conferences in FCS are starting the season well-represented in my poll. What I saw from The Big Lie Conference in the Playoffs last season really opened my eyes & other than JMU, I was "meh" (at best) about the CAA Teams I watched. I struggled to put EWU as high as I did and ranking UNH at all was painful for me. On the other hand, I saw 3 SoCon Teams that were as good as any in the field. So, we'll see how it plays out.

I will not predict more than 4 SoCon Playoff Teams in 2017...yet.

AND...

IF...
...ETSU gets by Limestone & then upsets JMU
...Western Carolina beats Hawaii
...VMI beats Air Force

...we'll rank all 3 of them as well!

Recommend you print post #75 and tape it near your computer screen.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Recommend you print post #75 and tape it near your computer screen.

That's not bagging on him though really. It is just a fact that newbs tend to (you, me, we all did this) stick with what they are fairly comfortable with at first and this is exactly what you'd expect. He is a Southern area centric voter and this is where the majority of his knowledge and experience lies. BUT, in short order his view is gonna expand and this is a natural occurrence of a voter that is trying very hard to be as fair as they can and since this really is the culture around here for the most part I will bet his way of looking at things will be massaged a little bit in fairly short order.

Just saying voters that have been through a season or even 1/2 a season begin to show much less bias and if you look at the ballots of a "Poll perfection" type then that is what you usually see.

[FUBeAR]

Recommend you print post #75 and tape it near your computer screen.

OK - I'll do that...if you'll tape this one near yours...where, exactly 1 year ago today, FUBeAR called 4 SoCon Teams in the Playoffs & even named Samford as the 4th Team in -


...a primary reason why I think Sammy will be 1 of the 4 SoCon Teams in the Playoffs this season.

i bet, if I looked, it wouldn't be too hard to find a KPSUL post from last Fall poor-poohing the very idea of the lowly SoCon having more than 1...2 at the absolute most...Teams in. Now, be honest, it wouldn't be hard, would it?

[KPSUL]

That's not bagging on him though really. It is just a fact that newbs tend to (you, me, we all did this) stick with what they are fairly comfortable with at first and this is exactly what you'd expect. He is a Southern area centric voter and this is where the majority of his knowledge and experience lies. BUT, in short order his view is gonna expand and this is a natural occurrence of a voter that is trying very hard to be as fair as they can and since this really is the culture around here for the most part I will bet his way of looking at things will be massaged a little bit in fairly short order.

Just saying voters that have been through a season or even 1/2 a season begin to show much less bias and if you look at the ballots of a "Poll perfection" type then that is what you usually see.

Excellent advice! For all of use to consider when voting. To be fair, I went back and noticed I had 6 CAA teams in my preseason poll as well. When it comes to the last few positions, it's pretty easy to rationalize which bubble team you select particularly preseason when not a single game has been played yet.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

OK - I'll do that...if you'll tape this one near yours...where, exactly 1 year ago today, FUBeAR called 4 SoCon Teams in the Playoffs & even named Samford as the 4th Team in -


]... a primary reason why I think Sammy will be 1 of the 4 SoConTeams in the Playoffs this season.[/QUOTE]

i bet, if I looked, it wouldn't be too hard to find a KPSUL post from last Fall poor-poohing the very idea of the lowly SoCon having more than 1...2 at the absolute most...Teams in. Now, be honest, it wouldn't be hard, would it?

It would not be hard to find many or all of us making true and then many more flase statements. Let's not act like this is some basis that makes 6 SoCon teams a good bet. xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Excellent advice! For all of use to consider when voting. To be fair, I went back and noticed I had 6 CAA teams in my preseason poll as well. When it comes to the last few positions, it's pretty easy to rationalize which bubble team you select particularly preseason when not a single game has been played yet.

Yep, it's Preseason so there is no argument to be settled, and every argument can be made.

[FUBeAR]

That's not bagging on him though really. It is just a fact that newbs tend to (you, me, we all did this) stick with what they are fairly comfortable with at first and this is exactly what you'd expect. He is a Southern area centric voter and this is where the majority of his knowledge and experience lies. BUT, in short order his view is gonna expand and this is a natural occurrence of a voter that is trying very hard to be as fair as they can and since this really is the culture around here for the most part I will bet his way of looking at things will be massaged a little bit in fairly short order.

Just saying voters that have been through a season or even 1/2 a season begin to show much less bias and if you look at the ballots of a "Poll perfection" type then that is what you usually see.

Prolly so. Your wisdom in these things is always valued. I'm really just callin' it as I see it, though. Same as I did last year and for the past 36 years of playing, coaching, and watching I-AA & FCS Football. If I didn't do that, I wouldn't be being true to myself or AGS. My ranking is based on what I saw last year, what I know about off-season changes, and to a much lesser extent, what I speculate will happen. All of that certainly has vast room for error & bias, but it is my honest assessment.

[KPSUL]

OK - I'll do that...if you'll tape this one near yours...where, exactly 1 year ago today, FUBeAR called 4 SoCon Teams in the Playoffs & even named Samford as the 4th Team in -


... a primary reason why I think Sammy will be 1 of the 4 SoConTeams in the Playoffs this season.

i bet, if I looked, it wouldn't be too hard to find a KPSUL post from last Fall poor-poohing the very idea of the lowly SoCon having more than 1...2 at the absolute most...Teams in. Now, be honest, it wouldn't be hard, would it?

In 2015, maybe so. 2016 I think I would have predicted 3. Chatty would have been a no brainer, and The Citadel was coming off an excellent season. With the historic success of Wofford, Samford and Furman in the mix it would have been hard to justify less than 3. You have to consider that the CAA is a 12 team conference and the SoCon only 9. It stands to reason that the larger conference will have more teams in the playoffs if you concede that the conferences are roughly comparable. It is actually hard to make qualitative judgment about the strength of the two conferences. While many teams are close geographically, they rarely play one another - almost never in regular season OOC.

[BisonFan02]

Yep, it's Preseason so there is no argument to be settled, and every argument can be made.

............. :D

[FUBeAR]

It would not be hard to find many or all of us making true and then many more flase statements. Let's not act like this is some basis that makes 6 SoCon teams a good bet. xlolx

Jeez, now everyone will be saying, "FUBeAR said 6 SoCon Teams are gonna be in the Playoffs this year! What an idiot!" (actually they could just recycle their posts from last year & change "4" to "6")....but I didn't say that...yet.

I RANKED 6 SoCon Teams in my pre-season Top 25, but I'll stay conservative and predict only 4 SoCon Teams in the Playoffs this year....for now.

[The Pud]

This could be the breakthrough year that the Southland Confernece places 3 teams in the playoffs

[BisonFan02]

This could be the breakthrough year that the Southland Confernece places 4 teams in the playoffs

^ Like that one ursus? :D

[RootinFerDukes]

F it. All conferences are getting six teams in. They recently expanded the field to 60 teams and instituted a "every conference has equal SOS" rule to balance the field out.

[ST_Lawson]

Well to be fair he did have 7 MVFC teams in there too.

Wait, are we not all playing each other this year? I thought we weren't switching up conference scheduling until UND joins the party? ;)

Even if we all went undefeated in OOC play, I would think that'd be REALLY hard for everything to fall just the right way for 7 of us to make the playoffs.

[Thumper 76]

I made the same mistake regarding Montana. Why is YSU so low coming off a National Championship appearance? You didn't include UNH, although we do have some question marks and play all of our toughest opponents on the road - it's not unreasonable. But I do believe we could beat Grambling, Weber State, NC Central and of course Lehigh.

YSU lost a lot. When your two starting DEs are drafted, that's a ton of talent to try to replace. They weren't a team that was carried by their offense either. They have to prove to me they are on the same level as they ended the season before I bump them up.


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[KPSUL]

Jeez, now everyone will be saying, "FUBeAR said 6 SoCon Teams are gonna be in the Playoffs this year! What an idiot!" (actually they could just recycle their posts from last year & change "4" to "6")....but I didn't say that...yet.

I RANKED 6 SoCon Teams in my pre-season Top 25, but I'll stay conservative and predict only 4 SoCon Teams in the Playoffs this year....for now.

It is virtually a mathematical certainty that the 5th and 6th team from a 9 team conference will not make the playoffs. Every team must play every other team in the conference and the 5th team will have almost certainly have at least 4 losses , the 6th 5. Also considering that many SoCon teams play at least one SEC game that they have less than a 5% chance of winning and others play a Division 2 opponent which will not count towards playoff eligibility. I don't see more than 4 teams with 7 Div 1 wins.

[The Yo Show]

New guys, here is a tip. If you are leaving a team off of your ballot and you feel bad about it then it is an easy corretion in Week 1 and the best thing you can do every week is check your top 25 against the list of 25 or superman's list and make sure you have all the names on your ballot you intend to have there.

A great way to do that is to have a spreadsheet that you use each week for your votes. It will make you more consistent and make your life much easier.

As always, the sages should chip in and throw out any good tips they have for newbs to get them up to speed.

I know, as my second year in I am probably still a new guy, but I did use a spreadsheet and still dropped them off. I was probably being overly critical. Idk, time will tell. Maybe it wasn't so bad to drop them off.

[The Yo Show]

I made the same mistake regarding Montana. Why is YSU so low coming off a National Championship appearance? You didn't include UNH, although we do have some question marks and play all of our toughest opponents on the road - it's not unreasonable. But I do believe we could beat Grambling, Weber State, NC Central and of course Lehigh.

UNH was under consideration. I tried to put the diversity in my poll that I know the final playoff committee seems to do, and maybe I should have had UNH in there... this poll is a work in progress for me. I am optimistic for my favorite team, and maybe top 10 was overly bearish on their outlook, but the overall poll put them there. I think YSU brings back a good squad I really do. With the question marks on DE and in the secondary though, I was more comfortable putting them a little lower and giving them the chance to prove me wrong and do well over the season. Again, I think the potential is there, just trying to be realistic given the information I have on my own school.

[FUBeAR]

YSU lost a lot. When your two starting DEs are drafted, that's a ton of talent to try to replace. They weren't a team that was carried by their offense either. They have to prove to me they are on the same level as they ended the season before I bump them up.


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Exactly - and if the YapDogs from SparkleCity don't squat & wet the carpet twice in the red zone late in the game, the Penguins don't have the opportunity to come up with the miracle defender-aided catch to earn the right to get pummeled by JMU in Frisco. They were good last year, but I think Bo made a(nother) deal with a(nother) guy that wears red to get them there. I feel good putting them @ #13 and see how they start in the 1st 4 weeks.

[FUBeAR]

It is virtually a mathematical certainty that the 5th and 6th team from a 9 team conference will not make the playoffs. Every team must play every other team in the conference and the 5th team will have almost certainly have at least 4 losses , the 6th 5. Also considering that many SoCon teams play at least one SEC game that they have less than a 5% chance of winning and others play a Division 2 opponent which will not count towards playoff eligibility. I don't see more than 4 teams with 7 Div 1 wins.

Though not a math whiz, I have previously intuited your assessment; hence, my present reluctance to predict more than 4 SoCon Teams in the Playoffs this year.

...but just let Auburn get "mauled" on 9/16...and I'll reassess my position.

[The Pud]

^ Like that one ursus? :D


thank you ma'am

[dewey]

Here is my poll.

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 7/30/2017 23:00:07

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: The Citadel Bulldogs
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: Western Illinois Leathernecks
20: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Fordham Rams
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: South Dakota Coyotes

Dewey

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Prolly so. Your wisdom in these things is always valued. I'm really just callin' it as I see it, though. Same as I did last year and for the past 36 years of playing, coaching, and watching I-AA & FCS Football. If I didn't do that, I wouldn't be being true to myself or AGS. My ranking is based on what I saw last year, what I know about off-season changes, and to a much lesser extent, what I speculate will happen. All of that certainly has vast room for error & bias, but it is my honest assessment.

I know you have a good eye and so forth but I will bet you a beer that when you are done this season you will feel like you are still as knowledgeable about your area teams and you will also feel that your knowledge expanded vastly on teams around the country. It just happens for some reason, you start to feel like the top 40 is your conference. xlolx

[Kemo]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Richmond Spiders
5: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: The Citadel Bulldogs
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Western Illinois Leathernecks
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: San Diego Toreros

Kemo

[JSUSoutherner]

Hate away

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Richmond Spiders
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Western Illinois Leathernecks
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Tennessee State Tigers

[JSUSoutherner]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Samford Bulldogs
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Mercer Bears
20: Furman Paladins
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Kennesaw State Owls

Before you begin bashing, please recall that last August, there was 1 poster on this entire Board who was saying that the SoCon would have 4 Playoff Teams in 2016. FUBeAR endured a host of slings & arrows for making such an audacious claim. Many of those attacks came from hardcore SoCon Fans, who were really having a hard time seeing 2 Teams from the 2nd strongest conference in FCS making the Playoffs...which made no sense to this Bear of little brain. We all know how that turned out.

This is the 1st poll, as recorded this day...faithfully submitted...

That's a tad optimistic for us, methinks.

[CappinHard]

Here is my poll.

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 7/30/2017 23:00:07

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison


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[dewey]

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Well there are 7 other voters that think similar to me. I have my, that make sense to me, reasons of why I think NDSU is #1 and JMU #2. It is also a preseason poll.

Dewey

[jmu007]

Good to finally join the fray this season. Started with last year's final poll result and used this season's individual conference preseason polls from media days the past 2 weeks to help get the ball rolling. Once you get past about 15-19 this thing really turns into a crap shoot. With that said, my preseason poll:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Richmond Spiders
5: Wofford Terriers
6: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: San Diego Toreros
23: Cal Poly Mustangs
24: Grambling State Tigers
25: North Carolina Central Eagles

[cx500d]

I wrestled with Stoney Brook also, but they were just so inconsistent.


Hate away

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Richmond Spiders
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Western Illinois Leathernecks
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Tennessee State Tigers

[KPSUL]

...but just let Auburn get "mauled" on 9/16...and I'll reassess my position.

It would certainly help. Good luck!

[JSUSoutherner]

I wrestled with Stoney Brook also, but they were just so inconsistent.
They looked solid on Keepers so I gave them the benefit of the doubt.

[Milktruck74]

My Mocs seem to be consistently falling in the 12-14 area (one or two don't even have them in the 25, but...). Maybe I am being a little harsh on my guys....with the Homer bias, I should probably have them around 8. xeyebrowx


1: James Madison Dukes
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
13: The Citadel Bulldogs
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Cal Poly Mustangs
23: Kennesaw State Owls
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: Albany Great Danes

[POD Knows]

I am not understanding the love for Whales Vagina Toreros, yea, they will probably win their conference, BFD. I am probably doing this wrong but I attempt to pick the top 25 teams in the country, not the 24 playoff teams and the "unlucky" 25th team. I get they won a playoff game last year, but really? UC Davis is probably their toughest game this year and they suck balls, I wouldn't put these guys in my top 25 if they beat everybody by 30+. Sorry, not buying it.

[cx500d]

I am not understanding the love for Whales Vagina Toreros, yea, they will probably win their conference, BFD. I am probably doing this wrong but I attempt to pick the top 25 teams in the country, not the 24 playoff teams and the "unlucky" 25th team. I get they won a playoff game last year, but really? UC Davis is probably their toughest game this year and they suck balls, I wouldn't put these guys in my top 25 if they beat everybody by 30+. Sorry, not buying it.

They had 250 more yards of offense and 14 more 1st downs the the fnhawks got the year prior.

[JayMYou]

Considering last year's pre-season rankings against the final results some of you are getting too much shat, and some of you aren't getting enough...



2016
Pre-season
Rank
2016
Final
Rank
Team:


1
2
North Dakota State Bison


2
34
Northern Iowa Panthers


3
7
Richmond Spiders


4
9
Jacksonville State Gamecocks


5
8
Sam Houston State Bearkats


6
12
Chattanooga Mocs


7
5
South Dakota State Jackrabbits


8
16
Charleston Southern Buccaneers


9
1
James Madison Dukes


10
NR
William & Mary Tribe


11
NR
Montana Grizzlies


12
19
Illinois State Redbirds


13
10
The Citadel Bulldogs


14
NR
McNeese State Cowboys


15
NR
Portland State Vikings


16
4
Eastern Washington Eagles


17
NR
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks


18
13
North Dakota Fighting Hawks


19
30
Western Illinois Leathernecks


20
NR
Colgate Raiders


21
3
Youngstown State Penguins


22
11
Villanova Wildcats


23
15
New Hampshire Wildcats


24
NR
Towson Tigers


25
29
Fordham Rams


29
17
Samford Bulldogs


32
24
North Carolina A&T Aggies


38
14
Central Arkansas Bears


39
22
Cal Poly Mustangs


NR
6
Wofford Terriers


NR
18
San Diego Toreros


NR
20
Lehigh Mountain Hawks


NR
21
Grambling State Tigers


NR
23
Weber State Wildcats


NR
25
25 North Carolina Central Eagles

[BisonTru]

I am not understanding the love for Whales Vagina Toreros, yea, they will probably win their conference, BFD. I am probably doing this wrong but I attempt to pick the top 25 teams in the country, not the 24 playoff teams and the "unlucky" 25th team. I get they won a playoff game last year, but really? UC Davis is probably their toughest game this year and they suck balls, I wouldn't put these guys in my top 25 if they beat everybody by 30+. Sorry, not buying it.

San Diego will prolly drop out if they have any slip up but getting the pioneers first playoff win ever deserves preseason consideration.

The Meac and Swac haven't had a playoff victory in what decades and people rank those teams all the time.

[cx500d]

San Diego will prolly drop out if they have any slip up but getting the pioneers first playoff win ever deserves preseason consideration.

The Meac and Swac haven't had a playoff victory in what decades and people rank those teams all the time.

and the ivies?

[Daytripper]

I wrestled with Stoney Brook also, but they were just so inconsistent.

I put them in my poll. As said previously, the bottom part of the preseason poll is a crap shoot.

[BisonTru]

Who the **** voted Sam number 1?

The same ACU fan that voted them number 1 last year? xdontknowx

- - - Updated - - -


and the ivies?

The Ivies are tough as they play so few OOC games and don't participate in the playoffs. I am not one to ban them from my ranking, but it's real tough to gauge where they fit.

[TheKingpin28]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Richmond Spiders
7: The Citadel Bulldogs
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Chattanooga Mocs
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: San Diego Toreros
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Cal Poly Mustangs
18: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
19: Youngstown State Penguins
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Western Illinois Leathernecks
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Saint Francis Red Flash
24: Fordham Rams
25: Nicholls State Colonels


A few takeaways from my poll.

I guess I am a little high on San Diego, and I think, looking back I should have put them lower around the 20 range.

I know I am low on YSU, but knowing what they lost, I don't see it as of right now so I am alright with that.

Once I hit 20, it was pick a team and find a solid reason for it.
---I chose Nicholls due to their ability to play solid teams to the wire and I think they build off last seasons success as there was only 2 games where they lost by more than 1 score, and 4 games where they lost by a FG or less. Taking #9 FBS Georgia to the wire and losing to FBS South Alabama in OT was a huge plus for why I chose them.
---I chose Fordham for Chase Edmonds. That alone gave them a huge boost plus their schedule of Army and EWU for OOC was a sign that they were willing to play outside their precious region. I kept Lehigh out, as I think Lehigh has a "down" year and Fordham represents the Patriot as long as Edmonds gets his touches and stays healthy.
---Finally, I chose Saint Francis as all of their games they were competitive and every year, we get one underdog who comes out of nowhere and surprises the field, (Wofford and San Diego 2016, Colgate and SHSU (CSU-Pueblo year) 2015, SHSU and ISUr 2014). They also have an "favorable" schedule with their toughest games being EKU and Liberty. They are my dark horse to keep and eye on.

I am fine with my poll as it was the first one of the year.

Flame away boys.

[van]

---I chose Fordham for Chase Edmonds. That alone gave them a huge boost plus their schedule of Army and EWU for OOC was a sign that they were willing to play outside their precious region. I kept Lehigh out, as I think Lehigh has a "down" year and Fordham represents the Patriot as long as Edmonds gets his touches and stays healthy.



Edmonds got 27 touches last year and they lost by 3 touchdowns, would have been more but Lehigh put the second string in the fourth quarter, guess if he got 50 or 60 touches they would have won, good news this year is we don't play them until week 9, so he will no doubt be worn out from 400 or so touches by that time

[TheValleyRaider]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: The Citadel Bulldogs
16: Maine Black Bears
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: San Diego Toreros

I knew you were my favorite (non-Bucknell) Bison poster

[TheKingpin28]

Edmonds got 27 touches last year and they lost by 3 touchdowns, would have been more but Lehigh put the second string in the fourth quarter, guess if he got 50 or 60 touches they would have won, good news this year is we don't play them until week 9, so he will no doubt be worn out from 400 or so touches by that time

Chase Edmonds Era

48-27 Fordham
52-49 Fordham
37-58 Lehigh

137-154 Lehigh

Chase Edmonds Stats for each game:

32-197-6.2 5 TDs
31-349-11.2 4 TDs
24-188-7.6 0 TDs

So based off of this, give him 30+ touches and get him in the endzone and he does not lose to Lehigh.

[Redbird 4th & short]

They looked solid on Keepers so I gave them the benefit of the doubt.
according to NCAA, Stoney Brook ranked 3rd in defensive total yards per game and 117th in offensive total yards per game. Per Massey they played 28th ranked SOS. Per Keepers they only lose 1.4 starters on defense and 2 starters on offense .. not sure if latter is good or bad thing when your offense ranks 117th. But their defense will be very legit force this fall .. but need to score to win.

[cx500d]

I knew you were my favorite (non-Bucknell) Bison poster

I figured you have a decent tradition. The question is can you make use of it.


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[POD Knows]

San Diego will prolly drop out if they have any slip up but getting the pioneers first playoff win ever deserves preseason consideration.

The Meac and Swac haven't had a playoff victory in what decades and people rank those teams all the time.I don't care, their conference sucks, their schedule sucks, and they beat Cal Poly in the playoffs. I agree with you on the SWAC/MEAC stuff, I did have one MEAC team in my poll, probably should have had NCAT at 25, instead of where I did.

[van]

Chase Edmonds Era

48-27 Fordham
52-49 Fordham
37-58 Lehigh

137-154 Lehigh

Chase Edmonds Stats for each game:

32-197-6.2 5 TDs
31-349-11.2 4 TDs
24-188-7.6 0 TDs

So based off of this, give him 30+ touches and get him in the endzone and he does not lose to Lehigh.

Yeah, that might work against our 2014 and 2015 D, we'll see how it works against the 2017 version

[Daytripper]

Considering last year's pre-season rankings against the final results some of you are getting too much shat, and some of you aren't getting enough...



2016
Pre-season
Rank
2016
Final
Rank
Team:


1
2
North Dakota State Bison


2
34
Northern Iowa Panthers


3
7
Richmond Spiders


4
9
Jacksonville State Gamecocks


5
8
Sam Houston State Bearkats


6
12
Chattanooga Mocs


7
5
South Dakota State Jackrabbits


8
16
Charleston Southern Buccaneers


9
1
James Madison Dukes


10
NR
William & Mary Tribe


11
NR
Montana Grizzlies


12
19
Illinois State Redbirds


13
10
The Citadel Bulldogs


14
NR
McNeese State Cowboys


15
NR
Portland State Vikings


16
4
Eastern Washington Eagles


17
NR
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks


18
13
North Dakota Fighting Hawks


19
30
Western Illinois Leathernecks


20
NR
Colgate Raiders


21
3
Youngstown State Penguins


22
11
Villanova Wildcats


23
15
New Hampshire Wildcats


24
NR
Towson Tigers


25
29
Fordham Rams


29
17
Samford Bulldogs


32
24
North Carolina A&T Aggies


38
14
Central Arkansas Bears


39
22
Cal Poly Mustangs


NR
6
Wofford Terriers


NR
18
San Diego Toreros


NR
20
Lehigh Mountain Hawks


NR
21
Grambling State Tigers


NR
23
Weber State Wildcats


NR
25
25 North Carolina Central Eagles




This is fascinating. Who will be this seasons Wofford or YSU that comes out of nowhere to make a deep run? I think Delaware, under Rocco, has to be considered a darkhorse.

[TheValleyRaider]

I figured you have a decent tradition. The question is can you make use of it.

Biggest question for us is quarterback. We find a QB, we could be dangerous in the League. I don't know if we're top-to-bottom as good as Lehigh, but we've got plenty of depth, and get both the Hawks and Fordham at home.

[katstrapper]

SHSU at #5 with one first place vote? You all have got to be kidding me.

Why? Last season is in the past.

[DirtyDukes]

Why? Last season is in the past.

Your team is still soft serve though

[caribbeanhen]

Probably Caribbean.

no, I did not vote Sammy #1.... I'll have to get around to reppin you for that humor...

[caribbeanhen]

Lots of love for Richmond as a top 5 team. Do they get all their players back healthy or what?

totally agree, Richmond is the lil darling of this pre-season poll.... they will miss Brian Brown and have to transition to new coaching staff.... I'm just not seeing them at #5

[The Pud]

Your team is still soft serve though


that was true when Sammy played JMU. 2017 is new season tough guy

[DirtyDukes]

that was true when Sammy played JMU. 2017 is new season tough guy

LOL how has it changed? Freshmen?

[RootinFerDukes]

Why? Last season is in the past.

Oh no. I'm definitely talking about this year.

[clenz]

Probably Caribbean.
Nah, he would go Tennessee Tech and then throw a **** fit that Ursus is faking his submissions.

[The Pud]

LOL how has it changed? Freshmen?

seems you are acting like a freshman little man

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Oh no. I'm definitely talking about this year.


and this year the CAA will be won by Richmond.

[Professor Chaos]

I'll qualify this with the fact that I had SHSU at #6 in my preseason poll so I do think they're quite good but it is quite the irony that some Sam guys are talking about how last year is in the past and isn't indicative of this year when we heard so much about how SHSU deserved a top 2 seed in last year's playoff because of Sam's multiple deep playoff runs from recent years.

[DirtyDukes]

seems you are acting like a freshman little man

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and this year the CAA will be won by Richmond.

LOL, I'm not a little man, by any measurement.

So Richmond will lose to Sammy but win the CAA? I'd be willing to make any sort of non-monetary bet guaranteeing that won't happen.

ETA: Good Lord in Heaven, Sammy fans have the memories of goldfish. DO YOU NOT REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR? You'd think you'd learn restraint, but I guess not...

[POD Knows]

LOL, I'm not a little man, by any measurement.

So Richmond will lose to Sammy but win the CAA? I'd be willing to make any sort of non-monetary bet guaranteeing that won't happen.

ETA: Good Lord in Heaven, Sammy fans have the memories of goldfish. DO YOU NOT REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR? You'd think you'd learn restraint, but I guess not...
The NYC POD is going to call you a girl now, it is his go to response.

[caribbeanhen]

Nah, he would go Tennessee Tech and then throw a **** fit that Ursus is faking his submissions.

Nah, I'm not the one known for throwing hissy fits around here... but thanks for tipping me on who my playoff picks will be this year.... let me go research Tenny Tech to see just how bad they are

[Serpentor]

LOL, I'm not a little man, by any measurement.

So Richmond will lose to Sammy but win the CAA? I'd be willing to make any sort of non-monetary bet guaranteeing that won't happen.

ETA: Good Lord in Heaven, Sammy fans have the memories of goldfish. DO YOU NOT REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR? You'd think you'd learn restraint, but I guess not...

Posts nonstop trashtalk about SHSU, has the audacity to criticize others. Checks out.

[DirtyDukes]

Guys I post a lot of stuff that isn't about SHSU too, I just won't back down from the softest team in the history of competitive football. The Little Giants would be a two TD favorite against you.

[Daytripper]

Guys I post a lot of stuff that isn't about SHSU too, I just won't back down from the softest team in the history of competitive football. The Little Giants would be a two TD favorite against you.

Your exaggerations border on the absurd. Nobody takes you seriously when you say these types of things.

[TheKingpin28]

Yeah, that might work against our 2014 and 2015 D, we'll see how it works against the 2017 version

If I am wrong, I am wrong, but stats usually tell a different story. Winner of that game will go to the playoffs while the loser will stay home.

[The Pud]

LOL, I'm not a little man, by any measurement.

So Richmond will lose to Sammy but win the CAA? I'd be willing to make any sort of non-monetary bet guaranteeing that won't happen.

ETA: Good Lord in Heaven, Sammy fans have the memories of goldfish. DO YOU NOT REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR? You'd think you'd learn restraint, but I guess not...


well ok then fat a**

[The Pud]

The NYC POD is going to call you a girl now, it is his go to response.


yes, this response will be used when appropriate. other terms will apply on case by case basis. #winning

[POD Knows]

yes, this response will be used when appropriate. other terms will apply on case by case basis. #winningHave at it, it is kind of funny.

[Nickels]

Guys I post a lot of stuff that isn't about SHSU too, I just won't back down from the softest team in the history of competitive football. The Little Giants would be a two TD favorite against you.

Well you guys lost to the weakest playoff team I've ever seen and then won it all the following year. Time will tell.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Well you guys lost to the weakest playoff team I've ever seen and then won it all the following year. Time will tell.

I partly get the knock on SHSU spme seasons/games. But they have made finals twice, playing NDSU close once. Then made it to semis in 2015 .. the same year a pretty good 7-4 Colgate team won in playoffs at 7-4 UNH and then again at 9-2 JMU before getting blown out at 8-3 SHSU. An SHSU team who then got blown out by 50 at JSU .. and then JSU loses by 27 to NDSU. Does that make JMU softer in 2015 .. just one year ago ? Going bacl 6 years ... SHSU is 14-6 in playoffs since 2011 .. granted couple notable losses where they collapsed, but thats still a lot of playoff appearances and wins against playoff caliber teams.

I get a lot of this is smack talk but othr teams have laid eggs. SHSU competes at high level almost every year well into playoffs most times.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I partly get the knock on SHSU spme seasons/games. But they have made finals twice, playing NDSU close once. Then made it to semis in 2015 .. the same year a pretty good 7-4 Colgate team won in playoffs at 7-4 UNH and then again at 9-2 JMU before getting blown out at 8-3 SHSU. An SHSU team who then got blown out by 50 at JSU .. and then JSU loses by 27 to NDSU. Does that make JMU softer in 2015 .. just one year ago ? Going bacl 6 years ... SHSU is 14-6 in playoffs since 2011 .. granted couple notable losses where they collapsed, but thats still a lot of playoff appearances and wins against playoff caliber teams.

I get a lot of this is smack talk but othr teams have laid eggs. SHSU competes at high level almost every year well into playoffs most times.

A post of reason!!

[LehighU11]

A bit delayed in posting this, but at least my vote was submitted early enough:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Richmond Spiders
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: The Citadel Bulldogs
8: Chattanooga Mocs
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Grambling State Tigers
24: Duquesne Dukes
25: Western Illinois Leathernecks

[JSUSoutherner]

A bit delayed in posting this, but at least my vote was submitted early enough:


6: Youngstown State Penguins

8: Chattanooga Mocs

9: Wofford Terriers

15: Sam Houston State Bearkats

16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

24: Duquesne Dukes


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[cx500d]

#15 too high?


http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25673&stc=1

[jmufan999]

not posting my poll but i'll say that in general, i am higher on New Hampshire and Wofford than most, and lower on SHSU and Youngstown St. What Wofford did last year really, really impressed me. I only saw two of their games (The Citadel and YSU) but they can play. people forget they lost to YSU in double OT, and i believe they would have beaten EWU as i think that would have been an awful matchup for the Eagles, especially in that weather. would have played right into the Terriers' hands.

for the record, ursus, i definitely do not rank my teams based on how i think the playoffs will shake out. it would look way different if i did that.

[JSUSoutherner]

#15 too high?

No. I'm just wondering how UTC is 8 spots above teams they can't beat.

Also, I think YSU at 6 is pretty high considering the losses on their roster.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

not posting my poll but i'll say that in general, i am higher on New Hampshire and Wofford than most, and lower on SHSU and Youngstown St. What Wofford did last year really, really impressed me. I only saw two of their games (The Citadel and YSU) but they can play. people forget they lost to YSU in double OT, and i believe they would have beaten EWU as i think that would have been an awful matchup for the Eagles, especially in that weather. would have played right into the Terriers' hands.

for the record, ursus, i definitely do not rank my teams based on how i think the playoffs will shake out. it would look way different if i did that.

I had Wofford 4th and UNH 6th. Both are inline for big years imo....

[BucBisonAtLarge]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: The Citadel Bulldogs
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Pennsylvania Quakers
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Western Illinois Leathernecks
24: Fordham Rams
25: Princeton Tigers

Some notes:

Getting that 'starters lost' stats summary helped with this pre-season exercise. I can live with my choices a bit better this year. Still...
-The Ivy League plays good ball. That said, why Harvard?
-I like that Nicholls has gotten attention, but I couldn't vote for them yet. Maybe they can make some noise in the Southland.
-It is flat-out weird to not vote for some school in Montana... but there ya go.

[JayMYou]

I partly get the knock on SHSU spme seasons/games. But they have made finals twice, playing NDSU close once. Then made it to semis in 2015 .. the same year a pretty good 7-4 Colgate team won in playoffs at 7-4 UNH and then again at 9-2 JMU before getting blown out at 8-3 SHSU. An SHSU team who then got blown out by 50 at JSU .. and then JSU loses by 27 to NDSU. Does that make JMU softer in 2015 .. just one year ago ? Going bacl 6 years ... SHSU is 14-6 in playoffs since 2011 .. granted couple notable losses where they collapsed, but thats still a lot of playoff appearances and wins against playoff caliber teams.

I get a lot of this is smack talk but othr teams have laid eggs. SHSU competes at high level almost every year well into playoffs most times.

That is mind-blowing. So if we extrapolate... in 2015 JMU would have lost to NDSU by a score of 2,847 - 5 in the playoffs? No doubt SH has talent and a coach that knows what he's doing. They have had really good success and will have a good team this year. This is just another case of some, that had to put up with an unpalatable amount disrespect last year, cramming their success down the throats of a few vocal agitators.

If this year's SH turns out to be our Buster Douglas then JMU will just have to go out and get f****d up face tats and start biting off some Bison ears. If, however, they end up getting teabagged in the playoffs again then I'm afraid Dirty may only get worse. Either way, we win yo.

[The Pud]

My top 5, since the top 5 really are the ones people are more concerned with:

1. North Dakota State
2. Richmond
3. JMU
4. SHSU
5. South Dakota State

[cx500d]

My top 5, since the top 5 really are the ones people are more concerned with:

1. North Dakota State
2. Richmond
3. JMU
4. SHSU
5. Southa Dakota State

Wow, some spatter love here.


Oh I get it, it's your way to jinx the spatters in their game against Sammy....

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[The Pud]

Wow, some spatter love here.


Oh I get it, it's your way to jinx the spatters in their game against Sammy....

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Listen Gomer Pyle, The Pod really believes the Richmond Spiders are that good.

[caribbeanhen]

My top 5, since the top 5 really are the ones people are more concerned with:

1. North Dakota State
2. Richmond
3. JMU
4. SHSU
5. Southa Dakota State

southa what? North Dakota?

Richmond #2? why?

[cx500d]

southa what? North Dakota?

Richmond #2? why?

That's what the pod that doesn't know thinks.


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[caribbeanhen]

That's what the pod that doesn't know thinks.


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yea, but now we can start rumors about POD Knows and his bad picks

[DirtyDukes]

well ok then fat a**

Much closer to the truth than little man


Well you guys lost to the weakest playoff team I've ever seen and then won it all the following year. Time will tell.

I'd argue a team who lost 65-7 is the weakest playoff team I've ever seen.


Listen Gomer Pyle, The Pod really believes the Richmond Spiders are that good.

They lost their head coach, best WR, and their QB is coming back from an injury. I mean, don't get me wrong, the Spatters will Spatter but I don't get why you guys are so high on them unless you know you're weak af and are sandbagging.

[BEAR]

My top 5, since the top 5 really are the ones people are more concerned with:

1. North Dakota State
2. Richmond
3. JMU
4. SHSU
5. Southa Dakota State

I was going to put Sammy at #1 because when we play you guys the fourth game of the year AFTER you beat the spatters, we can move up from #13 to number 11....xlolx ......won't be top 10 because if you lose to us the whole SLC is doomed to drop in the rankings. xlolx It'll be subtraction by addition.

[The Pud]

They lost their head coach, best WR, and their QB is coming back from an injury. I mean, don't get me wrong, the Spatters will Spatter but I don't get why you guys are so high on them unless you know you're weak af and are sandbagging.


Sounds like someone is a bit cranky this morning. Richmond is the best team in the CAA going into 2017 season. Sorry your feelings are hurt.

[POD Knows]

southa what? North Dakota?

Richmond #2? why?I think he meant to say "Other Dakota State"

[Redbird 4th & short]

That is mind-blowing. So if we extrapolate... in 2015 JMU would have lost to NDSU by a score of 2,847 - 5 in the playoffs? No doubt SH has talent and a coach that knows what he's doing. They have had really good success and will have a good team this year. This is just another case of some, that had to put up with an unpalatable amount disrespect last year, cramming their success down the throats of a few vocal agitators.

If this year's SH turns out to be our Buster Douglas then JMU will just have to go out and get f****d up face tats and start biting off some Bison ears. If, however, they end up getting teabagged in the playoffs again then I'm afraid Dirty may only get worse. Either way, we win yo.
exacty .. your slightly exaggerated ( xrolleyesx ) extrapolation makes the point .. every very good team lays an egg or runs into buzz saw once in a while. Further note, of their 6 playoff losses, 4 are to teams that won the natty.

not judging the situations where people are just smack talking back and forth .. but if my Redbirds were 14-2 in playoffs against teams who didn't win the natty that year .. I'd feel real good about that. And whle they haven't won it, their playoff record has to be up there with NDSU's and EWUs the past 7 years.

[RootinFerDukes]

Wow, some spatter love here.


Oh I get it, it's your way to jinx the spatters in their game against Sammy....

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He wants to set it up so that they either beat a #2 team or lost to a #2 team. It's win win for him on the message boards in terms of explaining it away.

[The Pud]

He wants to set it up so that they either beat a #2 team or lost to a #2 team. It's win win for him on the message boards in terms of explaining it away.


Interesting how you take such offence to someone's opinion that another CAA team might be better going into the 2017 season that JMU. Dude, get a grip. Life is too short to stress out over internet opinions.

[caribbeanhen]

He wants to set it up so that they either beat a #2 team or lost to a #2 team. It's win win for him on the message boards in terms of explaining it away.

that's pretty much it....

[JayMYou]

Sounds like someone is a bit cranky this morning. Richmond is the best team in the CAA going into 2017 season. Sorry your feelings are hurt.

Now, your predicted top 5 may come to fruition at some point in the season, but to state that Richmond is better than JMU going into the season is moronic. Life lesson for you: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

[JayMYou]

that's pretty much it....

Dude, just noticed you "RIP" signature. I'm actually excited to see you guys pull in Rocco, I think it's going to be the linchpin that brings the CAA back. Getting Delaware back to old form, Richmond not skipping much of a beat with their hire, and JMU hopefully holding on to Houston for a couple more seasons will really raise the water for all boats. Welcome back from the dead y'all.

[The Pud]

Now, your predicted top 5 may come to fruition at some point in the season, but to state that Richmond is better than JMU going into the season is moronic. Life lesson for you: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.


Life Lesson for JayMYou....Build a man a fire and he’ll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life.

[DirtyDukes]

Sounds like someone is a bit cranky this morning. Richmond is the best team in the CAA going into 2017 season. Sorry your feelings are hurt.


Interesting how you take such offence to someone's opinion that another CAA team might be better going into the 2017 season that JMU. Dude, get a grip. Life is too short to stress out over internet opinions.

Yawn. You are a ****stain on the real PODs drawers.

http://www.richmond.com/sports/in-a-landslide-jmu-picked-to-repeat-in-caa-football/article_5601e617-86e6-53d1-9fc0-a0ad09f550fb.html

[caribbeanhen]

Dude, just noticed you "RIP" signature. I'm actually excited to see you guys pull in Rocco, I think it's going to be the linchpin that brings the CAA back. Getting Delaware back to old form, Richmond not skipping much of a beat with their hire, and JMU hopefully holding on to Houston for a couple more seasons will really raise the water for all boats. Welcome back from the dead y'all.

Thanks, Delaware fans are relieved to finally be rid of the last piece of the Three Ring football horror show (just thought about Rocco Horror Picture Show...haha, lets hope not) when Brock got the boot last year, Dave was a dunce on all levels.... hired by AD Zaidy after a fake national search, and Zaidy was the axe man that the bumbling president Harker brought in to fire KC Keeler.... it was bad...and to think such an esteemed college football program could be torn down by nothing more than petty jealousy is a story that would make a good back, problem is there might not be to many Hens fans around or alive to read it...

not changing the signature until I see something to be excited about and for me a new Coach is just not it....

[KPSUL]

I had Wofford 4th and UNH 6th. Both are inline for big years imo.... UNH lost their known players, RB Crossan, TE Jordan Powell and CB and return specialist Casey DeAndrade No one is putting anyone from UNH on any level AA preseason team and I get it, our best players are too young - FR and SO last season. But, I suspect you'll see some on the end of season AA teams. The 2017 version may actually have more total talent than 2015 or 16. Could be a set-up year for 2018 - I think they belong around 15 in our 2017 preseason poll.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

UNH lost their known players, RB Crossan, TE Jordan Powell and CB and return specialist Casey DeAndrade No one is putting anyone from UNH on any level AA preseason team and I get it, our best players are too young - FR and SO last season. But, I suspect you'll see some on the end of season AA teams. The 2017 version may actually have more total talent than 2015 or 16. Could be a set-up year for 2018 - I think they belong around 15 in our 2017 preseason poll.

I get some of the losses but your schedule sets up great! I think 9-2 or 8-3 is very likely for UNH this year.

[DirtyDukes]

I get some of the losses but your schedule sets up great! I think 9-2 or 8-3 is very likely for UNH this year.



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Sat, Sep 9
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Agreed.

[The Pud]

Yawn. You are a ****stain on the real PODs drawers.

http://www.richmond.com/sports/in-a-landslide-jmu-picked-to-repeat-in-caa-football/article_5601e617-86e6-53d1-9fc0-a0ad09f550fb.html

that is all you got? pathetic

[KPSUL]

I get some of the losses but your schedule sets up great! I think 9-2 or 8-3 is very likely for UNH this year.

It's an ok schedule but we play our 3 toughest CAA opponents on the road. Georgia Southern may be our best FCS match up since Central Mich, but you know how those things go.

[DirtyDukes]

that is all you got? pathetic

The 3 rep points I got for it say otherwise

[ursus arctos horribilis]

not posting my poll but i'll say that in general, i am higher on New Hampshire and Wofford than most, and lower on SHSU and Youngstown St. What Wofford did last year really, really impressed me. I only saw two of their games (The Citadel and YSU) but they can play. people forget they lost to YSU in double OT, and i believe they would have beaten EWU as i think that would have been an awful matchup for the Eagles, especially in that weather. would have played right into the Terriers' hands.

for the record, ursus, i definitely do not rank my teams based on how i think the playoffs will shake out. it would look way different if i did that.

Some do, some don't. It does not matter to me how people do their poll as long as they have a reasoning for it. I was making a statement earlier as to differing philosophies on how it's done. I did not put an emphasis on one being correct and another not being correct.

[jmufan999]

Some do, some don't. It does not matter to me how people do their poll as long as they have a reasoning for it. I was making a statement earlier as to differing philosophies on how it's done. I did not put an emphasis on one being correct and another not being correct.

I'm aware that you didn't say one was correct and another was not correct. Was just chiming in that I don't do it that way.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'm aware that you didn't say one was correct and another was not correct. Was just chiming in that I don't do it that way.

I gotcha, just couldn't tell and didn't want anyone to think I was lobbying.xthumbsupx

[jmufan999]

exacty .. your slightly exaggerated ( xrolleyesx ) extrapolation makes the point .. every very good team lays an egg or runs into buzz saw once in a while. Further note, of their 6 playoff losses, 4 are to teams that won the natty.

it's not that they just ran into a buzz saw every once in a while. they lost 120ish - 17ish in their last 3 playoff losses. that's not laying an egg, that's getting exposed. that's a pretty decent sample size, considering football is only 11 games a year. and those are enormous scoring disparities. kinda hard to just say, "eh, they ran into a buzz saw." if they're so great, why aren't THEY ever the buzz saw?

[The Pud]

The 3 rep points I got for it say otherwise


hahahaha, you are such a loser........getting your ego stroked by some rep points. xlolx

[DirtyDukes]

hahahaha, you are such a loser........getting your ego stroked by some rep points. xlolx

I'd expect a loser with no rep points to say that ;)

[The Pud]

I'd expect a loser with no rep points to say that ;)


again with the "rep points".

[caribbeanhen]

The POD, if your really in NYC that explains your nastiness..... this place sucks!

[The Pud]

The POD, if your really in NYC that explains your nastiness..... this place sucks!

In the words of Scaramucci.......... go f*** yourself.

[clenz]

I'd expect a loser with no rep points to say that ;)
Which is greater

The number of points JMU scored against SHSU last year or the number of rep points the POD has?

[caribbeanhen]

In the words of Scaramucci.......... go f*** yourself.

spoken like a true New Yorker.... haha.... you blowing your horn at someone right now?

[RootinFerDukes]

In the words of Scaramucci.......... go f*** yourself.

Will your tenure in this thread also last only 10 days?

[DirtyDukes]

Will your tenure in this thread also last only 10 days?

Like the Mooch he's only acting like a retard to distract from the real issue - how soft Soft Houston State is.

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Which is greater

The number of points JMU scored against SHSU last year or the number of rep points the POD has?

I'm pretty sure the first is infinite - yep, we just scored on Soft Houston again...

[The Pud]

Like the Mooch he's only acting like a retard to distract from the real issue - how soft Soft Houston State is.

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I'm pretty sure the first is infinite - yep, we just scored on Soft Houston again...


yea, keep believing that storyline little man

[DirtyDukes]

yea, keep believing that storyline little man

Dude keep up you're calling me a fatass, now, remember? I know all Soft Houston fans have Goldfish Memory, but still, it was like last page.

Also that's another TD for the Dukes 4th string

[The Pud]

Dude keep up you're calling me a fatass, now, remember? I know all Soft Houston fans have Goldfish Memory, but still, it was like last page.

Also that's another TD for the Dukes 4th string


again with the soft.........

[Bison56]

I guess we need to separate you two and give you each a timeout. xbabycryx

[cx500d]

Like the Mooch he's only acting like a retard to distract from the real issue - how soft Soft Houston State is.


He's acting????


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[The Pud]

He's acting????


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no, not acting

[Serpentor]

I guess we need to separate you two and give you each a timeout. xbabycryx

With the amount of apoplectic rage JMU members of this forum go into whenever SHSU is mentioned in any context, I'm sure nothing short of complete sterilization will work.

[JayMYou]

spoken like a true New Yorker.... haha.... you blowing your horn at someone right now?

Think I just saw him behind a dumpster near Penn Station... and it wasn't his horn he was blowing.

[Redbird 4th & short]

it's not that they just ran into a buzz saw every once in a while. they lost 120ish - 17ish in their last 3 playoff losses. that's not laying an egg, that's getting exposed. that's a pretty decent sample size, considering football is only 11 games a year. and those are enormous scoring disparities. kinda hard to just say, "eh, they ran into a buzz saw." if they're so great, why aren't THEY ever the buzz saw?
I did acknowledge there are game where they collapse. I attribute that to high expectations that get deflated and snowball from there. Fact remains, they are 14-2 in playoffs against teams that didn't win natty in each year .. meaning .. everyone else lost to the team they lost to in 4 of their 6 losses. Clearly, their conference schedule doesn't prepare them for playing THE best teams, but they do really well otherwise .. better than any other team besides NDSU. Got to give them some credit.

[GodHelpTheBears]

LOL, 7 ranked teams and a FBS payday out of 11 games, no wonder we'll suck forever. How the hell do you build a program against all of that?

[DirtyDukes]

With the amount of apoplectic rage JMU members of this forum go into whenever SHSU is mentioned in any context, I'm sure nothing short of complete sterilization will work.

It's not rage, but you playing the victim isn't surprising. It's just not allowing you guys to pretend you're world beaters.

[DirtyDukes]

I did acknowledge there are game where they collapse. I attribute that to high expectations that get deflated and snowball from there. Fact remains, they are 14-2 in playoffs against teams that didn't win natty in each year .. meaning .. everyone else lost to the team they lost to in 4 of their 6 losses. Clearly, their conference schedule doesn't prepare them for playing THE best teams, but they do really well otherwise .. better than any other team besides NDSU. Got to give them some credit.

I guess the difference is UNH has a just as or even more impressive streak going and they don't speak or act with the same conceited hubris that almost every Soft Houston State Fan does.

[Serpentor]

It's not rage, but you playing the victim isn't surprising. It's just not allowing you guys to pretend you're world beaters.

Playing the victim, sure dude. Your Napoleon complex is quite entertaining to me though.

[DirtyDukes]

Playing the victim, sure dude. Your Napoleon complex is quite entertaining to me though.

I don't think you know what the words you're using mean.

[Serpentor]

I don't think you know what the words you're using mean.

Nah, I'm just messing with you. We suck! :D

[BEAR]

LOL, 7 ranked teams and a FBS payday out of 11 games, no wonder we'll suck forever. How the hell do you build a program against all of that?

Mo. State could join the SLC and we could ditch some bottom feeders...seriously good games.

[Serpentor]

Mo. State could join the SLC and we could ditch some bottom feeders...seriously good games.

I'd prefer to swipe one of the better HBCUs like Alcorn or Grambling. Missouri is kind of pushing the limits of "the south" in terms of geography.

[The Pud]

I did acknowledge there are game where they collapse. I attribute that to high expectations that get deflated and snowball from there. Fact remains, they are 14-2 in playoffs against teams that didn't win natty in each year .. meaning .. everyone else lost to the team they lost to in 4 of their 6 losses. Clearly, their conference schedule doesn't prepare them for playing THE best teams, but they do really well otherwise .. better than any other team besides NDSU. Got to give them some credit.


+5

Well said Redbird

[ursus arctos horribilis]

LOL, 7 ranked teams and a FBS payday out of 11 games, no wonder we'll suck forever. How the hell do you build a program against all of that?

The way those other 7 teams did it?:D

[BisonFan02]

The way those other 7 teams did it?:D

Beating Misery St? :D

[ngineer]

Overall, I don't think it is a bad poll for preseason purposes. It all shakes out. I am sorry to have missed this year's preseason poll, but too many balls in the air on the home and work front (and if they drop my balls are in the air). I hope things calm down so I can enjoy this coming season. Go FCS!

[GodHelpTheBears]

I'd prefer to swipe one of the better HBCUs like Alcorn or Grambling. Missouri is kind of pushing the limits of "the south" in terms of geography.

We're less than an hour from the Arkansas border, so it wouldn't be a huge stretch.

I don't blame you for wanting HBCUs, though, a lot of history there and they have good fan turnout.

[GodHelpTheBears]

The way those other 7 teams did it?:D

Having multiple periods of sustained success in the sport? Can't exactly snap fingers and make that happen.

[RabidRabbit]

LOL, 7 ranked teams and a FBS payday out of 11 games, no wonder we'll suck forever. How the hell do you build a program against all of that?

Misery St should have as much opportunity to land many of the recruits that the Dakota schools are bringing in. So, to be one of the best, need to show can beat those other MVFC teams. Nice stadium, southern most school in Valley, should be doing just fine. Even have a HC that took a good size pay cut to coach there.

[GodHelpTheBears]

Misery St should have as much opportunity to land many of the recruits that the Dakota schools are bringing in. So, to be one of the best, need to show can beat those other MVFC teams. Nice stadium, southern most school in Valley, should be doing just fine. Even have a HC that took a good size pay cut to coach there.

To your first point, I don't think we should bother recruiting against your programs. We have little pull in our own state, let alone the upper midwest. If we're ever going to get anywhere, we need to beat out those Sun Belt/C-USA/AAC schools in AR/OK/TX for kids. I still don't think that will be enough, but we could establish a beachhead against the eastern teams and raise our floor. We hired a good coach for that, he spent over a decade recruiting those places for a major program. His contact list is long, and his name draws water.

We weren't beating too many Gateway teams before you all showed up, and you all came in with longstanding credibility in D-II. Our football program was dragged up for the benefit of the basketball program. Football is the third most popular sport in the Ozarks for multiple reasons, and I can lay them out if you like. Anyway, local talent is thin on the ground, even if we do find the occasional All-American here. To tie this paragraph up, we weren't winning battles with UNI and the Illinois schools for kids along I-70 15 years ago, so why should we expect to beat NDSU and SDSU in the same areas now?

I wouldn't take the supposed caliber of coach who accepts this job as an indication of its quality. Randy Ball and Terry Allen are two of the winningest coaches in Gateway/MVFC history and they accomplished nothing here. Del Miller was Bill Snyder's right hand man, and privy to the heavy lifting of the greatest college football turnaround of the 20th century. He went almost .500 here, which is a damn miracle but he still had to grovel at Bob Simmons' feet just to get back into coaching after what our program did to his career. (If you don't know who Bob Simmons is, I don't blame you. If you do, you know how sad that situation is.)

I see two ways to be a successful football coach at Missouri State: 1) pray to God you're removed from the Valley or 2) hope the admins allow you to take every questionable Big 12 transfer available. Frankly, our football team should be in the MIAA right now, and the NCAA should allow athletic departments to place their teams in divisions independent of each other. Unfortunately, the NCAA disagrees, so we're canned tuna for real football programs, which will probably never change.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

To your first point, I don't think we should bother recruiting against your programs. We have little pull in our own state, let alone the upper midwest. If we're ever going to get anywhere, we need to beat out those Sun Belt/C-USA/AAC schools in AR/OK/TX for kids. I still don't think that will be enough, but we could establish a beachhead against the eastern teams and raise our floor. We hired a good coach for that, he spent over a decade recruiting those places for a major program. His contact list is long, and his name draws water.

We weren't beating too many Gateway teams before you all showed up, and you all came in with longstanding credibility in D-II. Our football program was dragged up for the benefit of the basketball program. Football is the third most popular sport in the Ozarks for multiple reasons, and I can lay them out if you like. Anyway, local talent is thin on the ground, even if we do find the occasional All-American here. To tie this paragraph up, we weren't winning battles with UNI and the Illinois schools for kids along I-70 15 years ago, so why should we expect to beat NDSU and SDSU in the same areas now?

I wouldn't take the supposed caliber of coach who accepts this job as an indication of its quality. Randy Ball and Terry Allen are two of the winningest coaches in Gateway/MVFC history and they accomplished nothing here. Del Miller was Bill Snyder's right hand man, and privy to the heavy lifting of the greatest college football turnaround of the 20th century. He went almost .500 here, which is a damn miracle but he still had to grovel at Bob Simmons' feet just to get back into coaching after what our program did to his career. (If you don't know who Bob Simmons is, I don't blame you. If you do, you know how sad that situation is.)

I see two ways to be a successful football coach at Missouri State: 1) pray to God you're removed from the Valley or 2) hope the admins allow you to take every questionable Big 12 transfer available. Frankly, our football team should be in the MIAA right now, and the NCAA should allow athletic departments to place their teams in divisions independent of each other. Unfortunately, the NCAA disagrees, so we're canned tuna for real football programs, which will probably never change.


Get the right coach that starts winning solves a lot of problems.

Maybe MSU has him now?

[GodHelpTheBears]

Get the right coach that starts winning solves a lot of problems.

Maybe MSU has him now?

Maybe. I like his approach. I just hope the 9 other people who care about this program understand why our record this year will be similar to last year. I've talked with people around town who think we should be in the playoff hunt this year. That's...premature. I've pegged '18 as the pivotal year since he was hired.

[POD Knows]

Maybe. I like his approach. I just hope the 9 other people who care about this program understand why our record this year will be similar to last year. I've talked with people around town who think we should be in the playoff hunt this year. That's...premature. I've pegged '18 as the pivotal year since he was hired.Just beat UND this year, just do it.

[Thumper 76]

Maybe. I like his approach. I just hope the 9 other people who care about this program understand why our record this year will be similar to last year. I've talked with people around town who think we should be in the playoff hunt this year. That's...premature. I've pegged '18 as the pivotal year since he was hired.

Patience can really pay off. There isn't a person who would have pegged the Jacks as being a mainstay in the top 25 when they made the jump, and Coach Stig had a track record of mediocre. Things can change but it takes time sometimes.


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[GodHelpTheBears]

Patience can really pay off. There isn't a person who would have pegged the Jacks as being a mainstay in the top 25 when they made the jump, and Coach Stig had a track record of mediocre. Things can change but it takes time sometimes.


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Stec's current contract runs through 2021, and our last coach was given nine years. If anything, we may be a bit too patient. It was obvious by about 2012, maybe 2011 that Allen's approach had grown stale, and it was a drag on recruiting for several years.

[MR. CHICKEN]

.....WHIFF CAL-PIE.....AN' 'NOOGAH'S......DEMISE........ARE WE.....DOIN' DUH POLL VOTE.......DIS WEEK-END?........BRAWK!

[RootinFerDukes]

I believe we do it after the conclusion of week 1. You'll have to try and remember Cal Poly's bad loss.

[MR. CHICKEN]

I believe we do it after the conclusion of week 1. You'll have to try and remember Cal Poly's bad loss.

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[caribbeanhen]

totally agree, Richmond is the lil darling of this pre-season poll.... they will miss Brian Brown and have to transition to new coaching staff.... I'm just not seeing them at #5

so is the love affair over yet?

[Redbird 4th & short]

exacty .. your slightly exaggerated ( xrolleyesx ) extrapolation makes the point .. every very good team lays an egg or runs into buzz saw once in a while. Further note, of their 6 playoff losses, 4 are to teams that won the natty.

not judging the situations where people are just smack talking back and forth .. but if my Redbirds were 14-2 in playoffs against teams who didn't win the natty that year .. I'd feel real good about that. And whle they haven't won it, their playoff record has to be up there with NDSU's and EWUs the past 7 years.

bump to remind Pod and MillemiumKat about my argument in favor of what SHSU has accomplished despite playing a typically soft SOS.

My point is you can have a quality win against a weak team ... blow them out like you should. So I defended how good SHSU has been over past 7 years .. IMO, 2nd to NDSU and slighly ahead of EWU over past 7 seasons, as the top 3 teams. I also speculated that the reason SHSU may struggle when they finally play a really good team, is their schedule didn't prepare them for toughest games .. inferring, they weren't as bad as the isolated blowout score would suggest. If you aren't used to fighting like wild dogs to win, the first tie it happens, you're going to have trouble dealing with it. That all said, I argued SHSU has been the 2nd best FCS program since 2010.

But if you (i.e. NC A&T) beat a team ranked 300+ by just 2 and another ranked 230 or so by just 11 .. you have no business being in top 25.

Not whining about any team I have an interest like ISU or fellow MVFC teams. Criticising a very flawed polling system and suggesting alternative ideas.

[WestCoastAggie]

bump to remind Pod and MillemiumKat about my argument in favor of what SHSU has accomplished despite playing a typically soft SOS.

My point is you can have a quality win against a weak team ... blow them out like you should. So I defended how good SHSU has been over past 7 years .. IMO, 2nd to NDSU and slighly ahead of EWU over past 7 seasons, as the top 3 teams. I also speculated that the reason SHSU may struggle when they finally play a really good team, is their schedule didn't prepare them for toughest games .. inferring, they weren't as bad as the isolated blowout score would suggest. If you aren't used to fighting like wild dogs to win, the first tie it happens, you're going to have trouble dealing with it. That all said, I argued SHSU has been the 2nd best FCS program since 2010.

But if you (i.e. NC A&T) beat a team ranked 300+ by just 2 and another ranked 230 or so by just 11 .. you have no business being in top 25.

Not whining about any team I have an interest like ISU or fellow MVFC teams. Criticising a very flawed polling system and suggesting alternative ideas.

We dropped a lower ranked team 45-3 and we will drop many more like this in our conference schedule.

[milleniumkat]

bump to remind Pod and MillemiumKat about my argument in favor of what SHSU has accomplished despite playing a typically soft SOS.

My point is you can have a quality win against a weak team ... blow them out like you should. So I defended how good SHSU has been over past 7 years .. IMO, 2nd to NDSU and slighly ahead of EWU over past 7 seasons, as the top 3 teams. I also speculated that the reason SHSU may struggle when they finally play a really good team, is their schedule didn't prepare them for toughest games .. inferring, they weren't as bad as the isolated blowout score would suggest. If you aren't used to fighting like wild dogs to win, the first tie it happens, you're going to have trouble dealing with it. That all said, I argued SHSU has been the 2nd best FCS program since 2010.

But if you (i.e. NC A&T) beat a team ranked 300+ by just 2 and another ranked 230 or so by just 11 .. you have no business being in top 25.

Not whining about any team I have an interest like ISU or fellow MVFC teams. Criticising a very flawed polling system and suggesting alternative ideas.

Thank you for your kind words. I don't know what a red bird is, but i believe them to also be fierce. Like, crazed, zombies on steroids type fowl of some sort. The kind that are feared.

[cx500d]

Thank you for your kind words. I don't know what a red bird is, but i believe them to also be fierce. Like, crazed, zombies on steroids type fowl of some sort. The kind that are feared.


Don't know a red bird, but they did a song about a white bird:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q918fs4RAto

[Redbird 4th & short]

bump to remind Pod and MillemiumKat about my argument in favor of what SHSU has accomplished despite playing a typically soft SOS.

My point is you can have a quality win against a weak team ... blow them out like you should. So I defended how good SHSU has been over past 7 years .. IMO, 2nd to NDSU and slighly ahead of EWU over past 7 seasons, as the top 3 teams. I also speculated that the reason SHSU may struggle when they finally play a really good team, is their schedule didn't prepare them for toughest games .. inferring, they weren't as bad as the isolated blowout score would suggest. If you aren't used to fighting like wild dogs to win, the first tie it happens, you're going to have trouble dealing with it. That all said, I argued SHSU has been the 2nd best FCS program since 2010.

But if you (i.e. NC A&T) beat a team ranked 300+ by just 2 and another ranked 230 or so by just 11 .. you have no business being in top 25.

Not whining about any team I have an interest like ISU or fellow MVFC teams. Criticising a very flawed polling system and suggesting alternative ideas.

An NC A&T fan pointed out on other thread that I got my wires crossed after a couple posts on this topic. I had it right 1st couple posts, then mixed up Tenn St and NC A&T schedules .. above schedule reflects Tenn St, not NC A&T ... sorry for confusion.