2016 (Public) Athletic Department Balance Sheets

[Professor Chaos]

The new numbers are out for the 2016-2017 academic year published by USA Today: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

I find it interesting to look at how FCS schools balance, or try to balance, their athletic budgets. If you click on the school you can see the subsidies the athletic department took in broken down by student fees and "school funds". It allows you to sort based on total revenue, total expenses, and % subsidy. Here's the top 10 for each amongst FCS schools (I just eyeballed it so there may be some mistakes). Keep in mind this is for all sports, not just football.

Total revenue (highest)
1. James Madison $47,442,648
2. Delaware $34,309,705
3. UC Davis $32,459,650
4. Stony Brook $31,692,805
5. New Hampshire $29,173,085
6. Cal Poly $28,338,679
7. Towson $27,424,255
8. Sacramento St $26,741,348
9. Rhode Island $26,627,943
10. Illinois St $26,521,556

Total revenue (lowest)
1. Alabama A&M $2,592,863
2. Mississippi Valley St $4,288,571
3. Alcorn St $5,441,889
4. Grambling $6,198,723
5. Arkansas-Pine Bluff $7,141,263
6. Jackson St $7,602,536
7. South Carolina St $8,449,844
8. Nicholls St $8,587,660
9. Morgan St $10,453,448
10. UT Martin $10,679,463

Total expenses (highest)
1. James Madison $47,442,648
2. Delaware $34,309,705
3. UC Davis $31,837,452
4. Stony Brook $30,968,765
5. Towson $29,412,429
6. New Hampshire $28,908,841
7. Southern Illinois $27,544,434
8. Sacramento St $27,348,042
9. William & Mary $26,499,511
10. North Dakota $26,327,877

Total expenses (lowest)
1. Mississippi Valley St $4,288,571
2. Alcorn St $6,751,529
3. Arkansas Pine-Bluff $7,153,294
4. Jackson St $7,602,536
5. South Carolina St $8,438,685
6. Nicholls St $8,492,701
7. Grambling $8,642,954
8. Alabama A&M $9,372,315
9. UT Martin $10,679,463
10. Texas Southern $10,889,527

% subsidy/allocated (lowest)
1. Montana 34.15
2. North Dakota St 34.47
3. South Dakota St 45.50
4. North Dakota 47.95
5. VMI 48.20
6. Northern Iowa 48.96
7. McNeese St 49.13
8. Mississippi Valley St 50.47
9. Montana St 51.14
10. Florida A&M 53.89

% subsidy/allocated (highest)
1. Central Connecticut 88.40
2. Morehead St 88.09
3. Towson 86.35
4. Sacramento St 84.83
5. Stony Brook 84.58
6. Morgan St 83.35
7. Delaware St 82.76
8. Alabama St 82.27
9. Texas Southern 82.22
10. Stephen F Austin 81.94

Pretty interesting to see where we all stack up amongst the big boys I thought.

[Professor Chaos]

A couple interesting notes.

JMU gets more revenue from student fees ($36M+) than any other FCS school's total revenue.

I still don't know how MVSU supports a D1 athletic department with less than $5M. Their lack of success is not surprising given their lack of investment in athletics. Why even have a D1 athletic department if you're going to underfund it so badly?

FCOA doesn't seem to have a huge impact on AD expenses. NDSU didn't even crack the top 10 in the FCS after giving FCOA to all scholarship athletes this year.

[Bluefish845]

Interesting that Stonybrook has 4th highest income, 4th highest expenses and 5th most subsidy. As a NY resident I am appalled. When SHU visits Stonybrook this year I will announce at the gate "I have already paid for my ticket!!!" NY also just passed free college tuition if you meet certain income (or lack thereof) requirements....

[Hammersmith]

Something's got to be wrong with Alabama A&M's numbers. They went from $7.6M in school funds to $38k in a single year.

[BigHouseClosedEnd]

Some observations:

The dropoff in Delaware's ticket revenue and donations the last few years is pretty staggering.

Umass is truly pathetic.

Interesting that JMU has a larger budget than FBS ODU but it's basically on the backs of the students, as opposed to donations and ticket revenue.

William and Mary alumni give back impressively. They dont buy tickets impressively.

[IBleedYellow]

Holy **** JMU.

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[BisonFan02]

122

North Dakota (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Big Sky
$24,880,019

$26,327,877

$11,930,933

47.95



121
North Dakota State (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Summit
$25,278,776

$23,517,458

$8,712,479

34.47






157
South Dakota (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Summit
$16,125,353

$15,996,053

$10,023,726
62.16



147
South Dakota State (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/#)
Summit
$17,376,547

$16,858,517

$7,906,386

45.50





#"flag****s"....more subsidy...less revenue...and in UND's case, even more expense. xlolx

[JSUSoutherner]

Holy **** JMU.

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No kidding.

[JMUisat14]

Football had a budget of $8.2 million last year. There's also the debt service payments for the stadium which is another $5.5.

Our total is so large because we have 17 other D1 programs we sponsor outside of football.

[clenz]

The average budget in the MVFC for football is like 3.1m

8.2 is double that if NDSU.

Why?

[Bucs2016]

Interesting that Stonybrook has 4th highest income, 4th highest expenses and 5th most subsidy. As a NY resident I am appalled. When SHU visits Stonybrook this year I will announce at the gate "I have already paid for my ticket!!!" NY also just passed free college tuition if you meet certain income (or lack thereof) requirements....

Free tuition in NY??? SOO if I move there...don't take a job...apply with $0 income...can I spend 4 years at Syracuse in the dorms and have some fun???? This "free tuition" experiment the left wing is going on is ripe for abuse.

[Bluefish845]

Free tuition in NY??? SOO if I move there...don't take a job...apply with $0 income...can I spend 4 years at Syracuse in the dorms and have some fun???? This "free tuition" experiment the left wing is going on is ripe for abuse.

'Cuse is a private school the Free tuition is for public schools only but includes both Stonybrook and Albany. You would still be on the hook for room and board which is more than tuition at most of the state schools currently SUNY tuition is about $5,700 per semester although that can vary by school slightly

[Bluefish845]

'Cuse is a private school the Free tuition is for public schools only but includes both Stonybrook and Albany. You would still be on the hook for room and board which is more than tuition at most of the state schools currently SUNY tuition is about $5,700 per semester although that can vary by school slightly

Sorry old number it is $6,470 per semester..

[RootinFerDukes]

Fwiw, last I checked, JMU was still the 5th cheapest tuition and fees university in the state of Virginia. We may have a nation highest student subsidy but when the parents and students are still paying less overall, they don't notice and don't care.

With that being said, I'd love to see our fees go down. We're paying G5, almost P5 bills for an Fcs product. Anything less than a national title each season is unacceptable.

[RootinFerDukes]

Football had a budget of $8.2 million last year. There's also the debt service payments for the stadium which is another $5.5.

Our total is so large because we have 17 other D1 programs we sponsor outside of football.

Our leadership has made the commitment to fully fund all programs too and we have many new athletic facilities and the debt service that comes with them.
The big difference is that many universities choose to underfund their non-football and mbb sports, while our leadership won't throw the other sports under the bus.

[IBleedYellow]

Wasn't JMU mandated by law to get to a 60% subsidy?

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[Mattymc727]

UNH is pretty interesting. Both ticket sales and contributions are way down from 2005, yet revenue is way up. These alternate ways of making money are interesting. Student fees have almost doubled (probably going there)

[BEAR]

I just want to know how in the heck SLC teams get that much in contributions! UCA can barely get $150k from their donors while SHSU get nearly 3 million! WTH! Even Lamar and SFA is outpacing us. This is unacceptable. Seriously. :(

[Redbird 4th & short]

The new numbers are out for the 2015-2016 academic year published by USA Today: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

I find it interesting to look at how FCS schools balance, or try to balance, their athletic budgets. If you click on the school you can see the subsidies the athletic department took in broken down by student fees and "school funds". It allows you to sort based on total revenue, total expenses, and % subsidy. Here's the top 10 for each amongst FCS schools (I just eyeballed it so there may be some mistakes). Keep in mind this is for all sports, not just football.

Total revenue (highest)
1. James Madison $47,442,648
2. Delaware $34,309,705
3. UC Davis $32,459,650
4. Stony Brook $31,692,805
5. New Hampshire $29,173,085
6. Cal Poly $28,338,679
7. Towson $27,424,255
8. Sacramento St $26,741,348
9. Rhode Island $26,627,943
10. Illinois St $26,521,556

Total revenue (lowest)
1. Alabama A&M $2,592,863
2. Mississippi Valley St $4,288,571
3. Alcorn St $5,441,889
4. Grambling $6,198,723
5. Arkansas-Pine Bluff $7,141,263
6. Jackson St $7,602,536
7. South Carolina St $8,449,844
8. Nicholls St $8,587,660
9. Morgan St $10,453,448
10. UT Martin $10,679,463

Total expenses (highest)
1. James Madison $47,442,648
2. Delaware $34,309,705
3. UC Davis $31,837,452
4. Stony Brook $30,968,765
5. Towson $29,412,429
6. New Hampshire $28,908,841
7. Southern Illinois $27,544,434
8. Sacramento St $27,348,042
9. William & Mary $26,499,511
10. North Dakota $26,327,877

Total expenses (lowest)
1. Mississippi Valley St $4,288,571
2. Alcorn St $6,751,529
3. Arkansas Pine-Bluff $7,153,294
4. Jackson St $7,602,536
5. South Carolina St $8,438,685
6. Nicholls St $8,492,701
7. Grambling $8,642,954
8. Alabama A&M $9,372,315
9. UT Martin $10,679,463
10. Texas Southern $10,889,527

% subsidy/allocated (lowest)
1. Montana 34.15
2. North Dakota St 34.47
3. South Dakota St 45.50
4. North Dakota 47.95
5. VMI 48.20
6. Northern Iowa 48.96
7. McNeese St 49.13
8. Mississippi Valley St 50.47
9. Montana St 51.14
10. Florida A&M 53.89

% subsidy/allocated (highest)
1. Central Connecticut 88.40
2. Morehead St 88.09
3. Towson 86.35
4. Sacramento St 84.83
5. Stony Brook 84.58
6. Morgan St 83.35
7. Delaware St 82.76
8. Alabama St 82.27
9. Texas Southern 82.22
10. Stephen F Austin 81.94

Pretty interesting to see where we all stack up amongst the big boys I thought.

Interesting how it is dominated by CAA on east coast (6 programs), Big Sky on west coast (3 teams), and then my ISU program close out the top 10 in Midwest. ISU has done very well managing their finances and have easily survived sate of Illinois budgetary woes and reneging on funding in comparison to all other state schools, except possibly U of I. We're very fortunate in that aspect. Still growing slowly, raising entrance requirements, and improving campus infrastructure every year .. despite Illinois not funding anywhere near what was committed.

One area some complain about is that we don't budget for each sport based on revenue potential for sports like Men's Basketball and Football .. we tend to spread the money every where as far as budgets for coaches, equipment, and facilities. For example, our Hancock 2.0 renovation had to wait a long time to get done, while other sports facilities were getting very nice upgrades. Granted there were many contributing factors to why other sports got their stuff done and football did not .. but point remains same .. ISU likes to spread the budget across all sports, with only some regard for revenue potential.

I view this approach as mostly a positive, but it sometimes leaves me scratching my head .. but then i look at other state schools who are struggling a lot financially and accept ISU knows what they are doing and are very focused on long term sustain success .. and not as much on next seasons football record or recruiting class.

[RootinFerDukes]

Wasn't JMU mandated by law to get to a 60% subsidy?

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Yes. It's 70% for an FCS school. The legislation though exempts certain types of expenses from being counted, such as debt service or spirit groups. According to our Athletic Director, we're in compliance when we exempt those items that the law allows.

A quote from Jeff Bourne, our AD: "namely spirit groups, debt services (that were approved by the Commonwealth prior to June 30, 2015) and institutional service charges. After that consideration, JMU sits at 58 percent of its budget stemming from student fees, which is well below the Cox Bill requirement at the FCS level."

[Mattymc727]

Also, why does Texas A&M take nearly 60M in profit, while Michigan and Ohio State take about 6M. New stadium? other revenue?

[RootinFerDukes]

I just want to know how in the heck SLC teams get that much in contributions! UCA can barely get $150k from their donors while SHSU get nearly 3 million! WTH! Even Lamar and SFA is outpacing us. This is unacceptable. Seriously. :(

Winning in the playoffs helps. Going deep. SHSU has been to two title games and a consistent quarterfinalist at minimum. They consistently win, and dominate really, the SLC. They in TX and not AR. Football is religion there.

Also your university leadership investing in athletics and succeeding on the field clearly helps too.

[Professor Chaos]

Also, why does Texas A&M take nearly 60M in profit, while Michigan and Ohio State take about 6M. New stadium? other revenue?
If you click on each school you can toggle to expenses and see it broken down somewhat. Texas A&M did have more revenue than UM and OSU but they also had significantly lower expenses. For instance, TAMU spent ~$21M less on coaching salaries than OSU did and about $13.5M less on scholarships than UM did.

I recall reading an article about a year I ago I think also saying that the Michicgan athletic department staff had grown something like 40% over the last 5 years. So these P5 ADs are incredibly bloated and obviously very free spending.

[clenz]

If you click on each school you can toggle to expenses and see it broken down somewhat. Texas A&M did have more revenue than UM and OSU but they also had significantly lower expenses. For instance, TAMU spent ~$21M less on coaching salaries than OSU did and about $13.5M less on scholarships than UM did.

I recall reading an article about a year I ago I think also saying that the Michicgan athletic department staff had grown something like 40% over the last 5 years. So these P5 ADs are incredibly bloated and obviously very free spending.

Many have to be free spending . They are bringing in so much money that they have to spend insane amounts of money to keep the budget "balanced".

It's not a coincidence that Iowa's Kinnick Stadium underwent a massive renovations over the last decade - renovating entire stands, refacing entire stadium, bathrooms, offices, suites, pressbox renovations, multiple videos boards,etc...

And this summer they broke ground on another 90m renovation project that is going to tear down the entire north stand (which they just put about 10m into in 2013 for video and ribbon boards) and build and all new stand with suites.

If I showed you a photo from 05 and what it looks like today and what it will look like in 3 years you wouldn't believe it was the same stadium.

Same story at Iowa State - millions on a new video board about 3 years ago. Then a 60m renovation to the south end zone of Jack Trice. About a decade ago was an IPF. There is now talk about how to spend tens upon tens of millions of dollars on facilities moving forward - Jack Trice press boxes, concessions, bathrooms, upgrade IPF, upgrade the basketball arena, wrestling facility, etc...

[Seawolf97]

'Cuse is a private school the Free tuition is for public schools only but includes both Stonybrook and Albany. You would still be on the hook for room and board which is more than tuition at most of the state schools currently SUNY tuition is about $5,700 per semester although that can vary by school slightly

It is really not free money. If the student applies for the scholarship they have to commit to stay and work in New York State for four years after they graduate. If they leave after graduation then they are obligated to payback the loan with interest. I understand this is not a popular since many kids do not want to commit to stay in New York and I cant blame them .

[BEAR]

Also your university leadership investing in athletics and succeeding on the field clearly helps too.

Our university's idea of fundraising for athletics is sending out a pamphlet once a year with what levels you can give donations. I've given up on them doing things different here. They just keep on creating jobs in the promotion department yet no one knows we exist and you NEVER see advertising. Yet we somehow end up second or third in conference while trying to attract athletes to a state not known for football, to a school with a striped field and a 9,000 seat stadium, and to a program that has forgotten you need to reach the fans..they won't come to you.

[RootinFerDukes]

It is really not free money. If the student applies for the scholarship they have to commit to stay and work in New York State for four years after they graduate. If they leave after graduation then they are obligated to payback the loan with interest. I understand this is not a popular since many kids do not want to commit to stay in New York and I cant blame them .

I honestly can't blame the state for instituting that rule though. If they're going to invest in college educations for their citizens, they need to know that they're staying within their local economy. It would be awful if they DIDN'T put that in the legislation.

[RootinFerDukes]

Our university's idea of fundraising for athletics is sending out a pamphlet once a year with what levels you can give donations. I've given up on them doing things different here. They just keep on creating jobs in the promotion department yet no one knows we exist and you NEVER see advertising. Yet we somehow end up second or third in conference while trying to attract athletes to a state not known for football, to a school with a striped field and a 9,000 seat stadium, and to a program that has forgotten you need to reach the fans..they won't come to you.

They also need to be hitting locals hard for interest. Advertising and promotions within the town and surrounding counties is critical. Most people will come from local areas, especially for non-FBS schools.

[Bill]

Also, why does Texas A&M take nearly 60M in profit, while Michigan and Ohio State take about 6M. New stadium? other revenue?
Matty - Yes, Stadium renovations - they had over $50 million in donations specifically for Kyle field!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2016/01/30/texas-a-m-joins-college-sports-financial-elite/79567194/

[ST_Lawson]

Not directly related to this thread, but somewhat related and of some interest to MVFC and OVC people....

Illinois finally approved a budget (had gone over 2 years without one), which means that the state schools (relevant to us: IL State, Western, Southern, and Eastern) can finally have some measure of security in putting together their budgets for the year. Most universities are getting a 10% cut from the last actual budget two years ago, but it's MUCH better than what we've been dealing with the last two years.

I'm not trying to make this political, just wanted to toss this info out there with the funding discussion.

[mmiller_34]

For what it is worth...





2016 Ticket Sales of MVFC Schools


North Dakota State
$4,840,815


North Dakota
$4,520,724


South Dakota State
$2,696,733


Illinois State
$1,798,759


Northern Iowa
$1,536,706


Southern Illinois
$1,317,867


Missouri State
$1,090,643


South Dakota
$807,258


Youngstown State
$531,930


Indiana State
$485,049


Western Illinois
$129,662

[mmiller_34]

A couple interesting notes.

JMU gets more revenue from student fees ($36M+) than any other FCS school's total revenue.

I still don't know how MVSU supports a D1 athletic department with less than $5M. Their lack of success is not surprising given their lack of investment in athletics. Why even have a D1 athletic department if you're going to underfund it so badly?

FCOA doesn't seem to have a huge impact on AD expenses. NDSU didn't even crack the top 10 in the FCS after giving FCOA to all scholarship athletes this year.

I was thinking about that too. If you look at the numbers, the scholarship expense hardly moved at all compared to the average trend--- the growth in scholarship expenses seems to be pretty steady at a 250k-300k per year over the past 10 years for NDSU. You would expect to see a jump larger than normal if you're going to be adding 3-4k scholarship $$ to each athlete in one year. Maybe NDSU has an implementation plan like SDSU where select athletes are awarded FCOA, that seems to be the only explanation I can think of. That or the FCOA is clumped into the "other" expense column, that could be a possibility too.




NDSU AD EXPENSES


YEAR
COACHING / STAFF
SCHOLARSHIPS
FACILITIES / OVERHEAD
OTHER
TOTAL EXPENSES


2016
$8,098,029
$3,657,390
$2,026,788
$9,735,251
$23,517,458


2015
$7,663,880
$3,501,744
$1,744,957
$9,357,849
$22,268,430


2014
$7,383,100
$3,461,090
$859,513
$8,915,135
$20,618,838


2013
$6,693,954
$3,270,917
$939,916
$7,798,182
$18,702,969


2012
$6,196,868
$2,993,457
$535,093
$7,106,029
$16,831,447


2011
$5,953,062
$2,849,167
$415,140
$6,133,876
$15,351,245


2010
$5,406,489
$2,727,872
$773,734
$5,516,344
$14,424,439


2009
$5,122,565
$2,482,613
$239,854
$5,256,919
$13,101,951


2008
$4,349,264
$2,217,536
$171,789
$4,929,411
$11,668,000


2007
$3,883,158
$2,049,770
$132,387
$4,161,129
$10,226,444


2006
$3,596,545
$1,861,707
$42,514
$3,388,255
$8,889,021


2005
$2,979,213
$1,448,411
$0
$3,357,211
$7,784,835





SDSU AD EXPENSES


YEAR
COACHING / STAFF
SCHOLARSHIPS
FACILITIES / OVERHEAD
OTHER
TOTAL EXPENSES


2016
$6,018,388
$3,759,761
$952,865
$6,127,503
$16,858,517


2015
$5,729,179
$3,755,551
$674,735
$6,257,688
$16,417,153


2014
$5,247,705
$3,618,226
$484,274
$6,350,384
$15,700,589


2013
$4,852,661
$3,190,134
$489,850
$6,547,105
$15,079,750


2012
$4,246,488
$3,035,045
$494,830
$6,338,735
$14,115,098


2011
$3,994,892
$2,734,141
$546,070
$5,831,768
$13,106,871


2010
$3,633,397
$2,664,974
$558,612
$5,488,528
$12,345,511


2009
$2,827,604
$2,402,154
$354,003
$5,139,394
$10,723,155


2008
$2,530,963
$2,275,567
$310,000
$5,485,607
$10,602,137


2007
$2,124,681
$1,742,665
$236,694
$4,294,150
$8,398,190


2006
$1,877,753
$1,289,157
$871,904
$3,468,177
$7,506,991


2005
$2,271,848
$968,572
$181,663
$2,777,822
$6,199,905

[POD Knows]

For what it is worth...





MVFC 2016 Ticket Sales


North Dakota State
$4,840,815


North Dakota
$4,520,724


South Dakota State
$2,696,733


Illinois State
$1,798,759


Northern Iowa
$1,536,706


Southern Illinois
$1,317,867


Missouri State
$1,090,643


South Dakota
$807,258


Youngstown State
$531,930


Indiana State
$485,049


Western Illinois
$129,662


The UND number is interesting, the place only holds 12,000 and I don't think they filled it all year.

[BadlandsGrizFan]

The UND number is interesting, the place only holds 12,000 and I don't think they filled it all year.

Isnt it total sports revenue tho? So HOCKEY is the obvious explanation.

I also liked comparing Montana and NDSU. The numbers are pretty even across the board until you get to coaches paid. NDSU spend a couple million more...and crazy 5 chippers to show. Similar models tho. Also the two least subsidized programs, ticket revenues help with that as I believe Montana is #1 and NDSU in the 2-3 spot i believe.

[mmiller_34]

The UND number is interesting, the place only holds 12,000 and I don't think they filled it all year.

Hockey. Same thing with Omaha's ticket revenue. They are over 4M also.

[POD Knows]

Isnt it total sports revenue tho? So HOCKEY is the obvious explanation.

I also liked comparing Montana and NDSU. The numbers are pretty even across the board until you get to coaches paid. NDSU spend a couple million more...and crazy 5 chippers to show. Similar models tho. Also the two least subsidized programs, ticket revenues help with that as I believe Montana is #1 and NDSU in the 2-3 spot i believe.
Yea, I would guess so, the title "MVFC 2016 ticket sales" was confusing but NDSU would have done about that many $$ just in football if you count the playoff games, so I don't really know what the number represents. Plus, those other low numbers for the other schools would indicate that it is football only.

[mmiller_34]

Yea, I would guess so, the title "MVFC 2016 ticket sales" was confusing but NDSU would have done about that many $$ just in football if you count the playoff games, so I don't really know what the number represents. Plus, those other low numbers for the other schools would indicate that it is football only.

Sorry -- meant to mean MVFC school ticket sales or ticket sales of MVFC schools.

I could be wrong, but doesn't the NCAA bank a large % of ticket sales for playoff games?

[clenz]

Yea, I would guess so, the title "MVFC 2016 ticket sales" was confusing but NDSU would have done about that many $$ just in football if you count the playoff games, so I don't really know what the number represents. Plus, those other low numbers for the other schools would indicate that it is football only.
Yeah. Something about that number seems goofy for UNI.

UNI's athletic department is on record in the past saying mens basketball ticket sales alone eclipse a million per year.
Football season tickets account for between 750k-1M by my rough math based on a rough idea of season ticket holders, where season ticket holders sit, and price of season tickets. Plus single game ticket sales, which was low last year to be fair.

Volleyball does about 75-100k in ticket sales
Wrestling I don't have a guess on because I don't follow that ticketing enough but it's pretty decent money.

The rest of the sports probably don't do much/anything

[mmiller_34]

This is what the article says for its methodology:





CATEGORY EXPLANATIONS, 2015 and 2016

Summary categories

Total Revenue: Includes all sources of operating revenue.
Total Expenses: Includes all operating expenses
Total Allocated: The sum of student fees, direct and indirect institutional support and state money allocated to the athletics department, minus certain funds the department transferred back to the school. The transfer amount cannot exceed the sum of student fees and direct institutional support that the department receives from the school. (Under NCAA reporting rules, any additional money transferred to the school cannot be considered part of the department’s annual operating revenues or expenses.)
The NCAA and others consider student fees, direct and indirect institutional support and state money “allocated,” or everything not generated by the department’s athletics functions.
Percent allocated: Percent of revenues from allocated sources.

***
Revenue categories

Ticket sales: Sales of admissions to athletics events. Include ticket sales to the public, faculty and students, and money received for shipping and handling of tickets. Does not include amounts in excess of face value (such as for preferential seating).
Contributions: Includes amounts received directly from individuals, corporations, associations, foundations, clubs or other organizations for the operations of the athletics program. Amounts paid in excess of a ticket’s value. Contributions include cash, marketable securities and in-kind contributions such as dealer-provided cars for staff use. Also includes revenue from preferential seating.
Rights/Licensing: Includes revenue for athletics from radio and television broadcasts, Internet and e-commerce rights received from institution-negotiated contracts, the NCAA and conference revenue-sharing arrangements; and revenue from corporate sponsorships, licensing, sales of advertisements, trademarks and royalties. Includes the value of in-kind products and services provided as part of a corporate sponsorship (e.g., equipment, apparel, soft drinks, water and isotonic products). Also includes revenue from food, concessions and parking.
Student fees: Fees assessed to support athletics.
School funds: Includes both direct and indirect support from the university, including state funds, tuition, tuition waivers etc., as well as federal Work Study amounts for student workers employed by athletics department. It also includes the value of university-provided support such as administrative services, facilities and grounds maintenance, security, risk management, utilities, depreciation and debt service that is not charged to the athletics department.
Other: Amount that the athletics department transferred back to the school and — under a 2015 change in the NCAA’s reporting system — is recorded as a revenue loss. All other sources of revenue, including game guarantees, school-specific revenue from bowl games, support from third-parties guaranteed by the school such as TV income, housing allowances, etc.; revenue from sports camps; income from athletics restricted endowments and investments that are used for operations in the reporting year.

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Expense categories

Coaching/staff: All salaries, bonuses (except for bowl-game bonuses) and benefits reported on the university’s tax forms for coaches and staff, as well as amounts to coaches and staff from third parties that are guaranteed by the institution.
Scholarships: Athletically related student aid, including summer school and tuition discounts and waivers (including aid given to student-athletes who have exhausted their eligibility or who are inactive due to medical reasons), and aid for non-athletes such as student managers.
Facilities/overhead: Debt service payments, including internal loan programs; other facilities costs charged to the athletics program, including maintenance, utilities and rental fees; overhead/administrative fees charged by the school to athletics.
Other: Includes guarantees paid to other schools; school-specific expenses for bowl games, severance payments to past coaches and staff; recruiting; team travel; equipment and uniforms; game day and camp expenses; fundraising and marketing costs; spirit group support; medical expense/insurance; conference dues; the value of university-provided support such as administrative services, facilities and grounds maintenance, security, risk management, utilities, depreciation and debt service that is not charged to the athletics department. For 2016, also includes meals and snacks provided for athletes beyond those provided under regular board plans and during team travel.

[dewey]

Yea, I would guess so, the title "MVFC 2016 ticket sales" was confusing but NDSU would have done about that many $$ just in football if you count the playoff games, so I don't really know what the number represents. Plus, those other low numbers for the other schools would indicate that it is football only.

By running the numbers for NDSU ticket sales it makes more sense that they are football only and non playoff ticket sales.

$4,840,815/(6 regular season home games x 18,700 ~average seating capacity for Fargodome) = ~$43 per ticket.

If the numbers were to include playoffs then it would have been over 9 games and the average ticket would have cost about $29 per ticket.

Seems to me that the ticket sales are for regular season games.

Dewey

[POD Knows]

By running the numbers for NDSU ticket sales it makes more sense that they are football only and non playoff ticket sales.

$4,840,815/(6 regular season home games x 18,700 ~average seating capacity for Fargodome) = ~$43 per ticket.

If the numbers were to include playoffs then it would have been over 9 games and the average ticket would have cost about $29 per ticket.

Seems to me that the ticket sales are for regular season games.

DeweyThanks, that number for NDSU looked like football $$ only plus UND would be way higher than the number stated given the number of home hockey games and the revenue that generates.

[BEAR]

Volleyball does about 75-100k in ticket sales


xeyebrowx Schools charge for volleyball games? Really?! The only sports I think we charge for are football, baseball, and basketball. Every other sport is FREE to get into for anyone! 100k....now that would go a loooooooong way in our department. xdrunkyx

[mmiller_34]

Plus, those other low numbers for the other schools would indicate that it is football only.

I would put money on the fact that a lot of those schools give plenty of free tickets away, and not many of those free tickets actually make it to the show.

[mmiller_34]

By running the numbers for NDSU ticket sales it makes more sense that they are football only and non playoff ticket sales.

$4,840,815/(6 regular season home games x 18,700 ~average seating capacity for Fargodome) = ~$43 per ticket.

If the numbers were to include playoffs then it would have been over 9 games and the average ticket would have cost about $29 per ticket.

Seems to me that the ticket sales are for regular season games.

Dewey

What about the student section/band. I know that students are required to get tickets -- but is that cost included in their tuition as student fees?

[Milktruck74]

Just a thought... Every time the discussion of MEAC or SWACs non-participation in the playoffs is brought up, the teams from those conferences scream about all the revenue they generate from the celebration bowl....but look at the the bottom ten REVENUE generators....I see a bunch of MEACs and SWACs that obviously aren't seeing that revenue.

[clenz]

xeyebrowx Schools charge for volleyball games? Really?! The only sports I think we charge for are football, baseball, and basketball. Every other sport is FREE to get into for anyone! 100k....now that would go a loooooooong way in our department. xdrunkyx

UNI is top 10 in attendance every year at like 5,500 per match. Current volleyball coach has been here 17 years and has like the 7th best win % in NCAA history

I think tickets are like $10 at the door and season tickets are like 75

Women's soccer is like $5
Softball is like 5-10
Track and field depends on if we are hosting an indoor or outdoor meet and the size of the meet, but it's like 5-10

[POD Knows]

What about the student section/band. I know that students are required to get tickets -- but is that cost included in their tuition as student fees?Yea, but Dewey's calculation at $43 per ticket might be low but there are 3000 student seats and maybe, via some accounting method, they roll up revenue for those seats that draws from the student fees or something but there is no way that just over $4,000,000 is the total ticket revenue for all Bison athletics.

[Professor Chaos]

By running the numbers for NDSU ticket sales it makes more sense that they are football only and non playoff ticket sales.

$4,840,815/(6 regular season home games x 18,700 ~average seating capacity for Fargodome) = ~$43 per ticket.

If the numbers were to include playoffs then it would have been over 9 games and the average ticket would have cost about $29 per ticket.

Seems to me that the ticket sales are for regular season games.

Dewey
The tickets sales numbers are for all sports. For NDSU I'm sure the majority is generated by football but men's basketball sold around 2500 season tickets this year at $200 each (not including TM fees) so that's $500k there alone. On top of that there's single game ticket sales and season tickets for the non-revenue sports that generate a little ticket revenue like WBB, Wrestling, and Volleyball.

I would also guess that playoff games do help drive some revenue but I believe the NCAA keeps 75% of ticket sales so it probably doesn't account for much.


Yea, but Dewey's calculation at $43 per ticket might be low but there are 3000 student seats and maybe, via some accounting method, they roll up revenue for those seats that draws from the student fees or something but there is no way that just over $4,000,000 is the total ticket revenue for all Bison athletics.
I bet it is. Keep in mind that number doesn't include TM fees attached to season tickets. That goes into the contributions category which NDSU topped $6M in this past year.

[POD Knows]

The tickets sales numbers are for all sports. For NDSU I'm sure the majority is generated by football but men's basketball sold around 2500 season tickets this year at $200 each (not including TM fees) so that's $500k there alone. On top of that there's single game ticket sales and season tickets for the non-revenue sports that generate a little ticket revenue like WBB, Wrestling, and Volleyball.

I would also guess that playoff games do help drive some revenue but I believe the NCAA keeps 75% of ticket sales so it probably doesn't account for much.


I bet it is. Keep in mind that number doesn't include TM fees attached to season tickets. That goes into the contributions category which NDSU topped $6M in this past year.So the UNI number of $1.5 million includes all sports including basketball. Man that sounds low

[Professor Chaos]

Another interesting trend from our friends at App St

Ticket sales revenue
2012: $2,374,848
2013: $2,334,633
2014: $1,951,631
2015: $1,604,339
2016: $1,573,482

Contributions revenue
2012: $2,216,186
2013: $3,633,146
2014: $3,520,678
2015: $3,792,320
2016: $3,861,260

School funds revenue
2012: $592,573
2013: $490,389
2014: $1,023,111
2015: $9,519,241
2016: $9,068,079

Pretty easy to see who's writing the checks for their extra "prestige" in FBS.

[Professor Chaos]

So the UNI number of $1.5 million includes all sports including basketball. Man that sounds low
Yeah, it does. I know clenz mentioned that revenue sports there generate 2 to 3 times that but I'm wondering if that's because he's including booster fees attached to tickets in with that? They are north of $3M in contributions as well.

[clenz]

Yeah, it does. I know clenz mentioned that revenue sports there generate 2 to 3 times that but I'm wondering if that's because he's including booster fees in with that? They are north of $3M in contributions as well.
Season basketball tickets are $300 for chair backs for mens basketball
Season basketball tickets are $220 for north bleachers for mens basketball
Season basketball tickets are $170 for GA bleachers for mens basketball.

No discount for youth

Knowing what I know about UNI's ticket situation (it hasn't changed that much since I worked in the ticket office) out season ticket holder break down is like ~90% chair back, ~8% north bleacher and ~2% GA bleachers.

The last published number for how many season ticket holders UNI has for basketball was ~3,600 and that was 3 years ago.

I'll let you do the math on that. Then I'll remind you that doesn't include single game ticket sales.

Then I'll remind you that is just basketball.


Football season ticket prices are
Adult 124/139 - donor/non-donor
Redzone: 69
Youth: 69

I don't know the exact split on PSC vs non-PSC ticket holders or how many are youth/redzone, but guessing from when I was there and the number of season tickets we are at about 900K in season ticket sales for football - plus single game tickets which run between 20-40 per game.

Wrestling season tickets are about $100k based on my math - plus single match tickets which vary greatly in price from $3 for add on to season ticket holders for select meets to up to $40+ for select meets. Especially with us now getting Iowa State at home more regularly, plus OU and OkSU.

I know those are the numbers that the AD is publishing, but they simply aren't adding up at UNI.

Simply math shows that just doesn't work when looking at ticket cost and tickets sold

[RootinFerDukes]

Another interesting trend from our friends at App St

Ticket sales revenue
2012: $2,374,848
2013: $2,334,633
2014: $1,951,631
2015: $1,604,339
2016: $1,573,482

Contributions revenue
2012: $2,216,186
2013: $3,633,146
2014: $3,520,678
2015: $3,792,320
2016: $3,861,260

School funds revenue
2012: $592,573
2013: $490,389
2014: $1,023,111
2015: $9,519,241
2016: $9,068,079

Pretty easy to see who's writing the checks for their extra "prestige" in FBS.

Ticket sales revenue - a sharp decline due to probably a combination of increased ticket prices but weekday games for tv and general fan disinterest in 1 FCS game and a bunch of who gives a crap SBC teams with no history and outside of your region. A stray P5 team showing up is all that will convince folks to show up to Boone.

Contributions revenue - I'll give it to them here. I suppose they have upped their annual donor club amount in lieu of no longer showing up to home football games. I'd be curious to see if this is sustained without consistent winning. It is easy to win in the SBC though.

School funds revenue - I'm guessing this is amounts paid for directly by the university's general budget? Yeah that's an alarmingly fast increase that has to be offset by tuition and fee increases. Competing in D1 athletics outside of the P5 is a sobering reality when you look at the accounting books.

[IBleedYellow]

Hey guys.

Division 1 sports are expensive.

WHO KNEW?!

[Professor Chaos]

Season basketball tickets are $300 for chair backs for mens basketball
Season basketball tickets are $220 for north bleachers for mens basketball
Season basketball tickets are $170 for GA bleachers for mens basketball.

No discount for youth

Knowing what I know about UNI's ticket situation (it hasn't changed that much since I worked in the ticket office) out season ticket holder break down is like ~90% chair back, ~8% north bleacher and ~2% GA bleachers.

The last published number for how many season ticket holders UNI has for basketball was ~3,600 and that was 3 years ago.

I'll let you do the math on that. Then I'll remind you that doesn't include single game ticket sales.

Then I'll remind you that is just basketball.


Football season ticket prices are
Adult 124/139 - donor/non-donor
Redzone: 69
Youth: 69

I don't know the exact split on PSC vs non-PSC ticket holders or how many are youth/redzone, but guessing from when I was there and the number of season tickets we are at about 900K in season ticket sales for football - plus single game tickets which run between 20-40 per game.

Wrestling season tickets are about $100k based on my math - plus single match tickets which vary greatly in price from $3 for add on to season ticket holders for select meets to up to $40+ for select meets. Especially with us now getting Iowa State at home more regularly, plus OU and OkSU.

I know those are the numbers that the AD is publishing, but they simply aren't adding up at UNI.

Simply math shows that just doesn't work when looking at ticket cost and tickets sold
I don't disagree that those numbers seem low but it's on par with a school like Illinois St ($1,798,759 in ticket revenue in 2016) who drew 5000+ on average for men's basketball and 10,000+ on average for football.

[clenz]

I don't disagree that those numbers seem low but it's on par with a school like Illinois St ($1,798,759 in ticket revenue in 2016) who drew 5000+ on average for men's basketball and 10,000+ on average for football.
It just doesn't add up. I know that's what they are publishing, but man the math doesn't work.

Essentially the math says football does about 750K, basketball about 650k and all other sports 100k total. It just...the math isn't....

My head might explode at how off those numbers are - for all of these schools apparently.

[Professor Chaos]

It just doesn't add up. I know that's what they are publishing, but man the math doesn't work.

Essentially the math says football does about 750K, basketball about 650k and all other sports 100k total. It just...the math isn't....

My head might explode at how off those numbers are - for all of these schools apparently.
MBB might have made more than football in ticket revenue for UNI. According to the NCAA's numbers they had ~75k fans combined for their home basketball games and only about ~60k for their home football games.

NCAA football attendance (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2016.pdf)
NCAA men's basketball attendance (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2016.pdf)

But if you add that up and divide that 135k into UNI's total ticket revenue for 2016 it averages out to a little over $11 per ticket. So it definitely seems low especially considering that doesn't take into account any other sports.

[cx500d]

Maybe it includes advertising and sponsorships?


It just doesn't add up. I know that's what they are publishing, but man the math doesn't work.

Essentially the math says football does about 750K, basketball about 650k and all other sports 100k total. It just...the math isn't....

My head might explode at how off those numbers are - for all of these schools apparently.

[DFW HOYA]

If private schools were included, the list is a little different...

Excepting schools moving to I-A (e.g., Liberty)



By Expenses




Yale University
$41,837,429


University of Pennsylvania
$41,834,643


James Madison University
$41,473,503


Villanova University
$39,516,020


Georgetown University
$37,745,393


Lehigh University
$32,050,806


University of Delaware
$30,851,418


Fordham University
$30,595,563


Columbia University
$29,211,622


University of New Hampshire
$28,908,842














Schools With Highest Pct. Spent on Football Within Its Budget



Alcorn State University
39.2%


Grambling State University
36.8%


Mississippi Valley State
35.6%


Montana State University
34.5%


Savannah State University
34.3%


Jackson State University
32.8%


Eastern Washington University
32.0%


South Carolina State University
31.9%


Presbyterian College
31.7%


Jacksonville State Univ.
31.7%



Schools With Lowest Pct. Spent on Football Within Its Budget



University of Dayton
4.4%


Georgetown University
4.8%


University of San Diego
5.5%


University of Pennsylvania
5.6%


Drake University
6.9%


Valparaiso University
8.0%


Marist College
8.2%


Yale University
8.3%


Cornell University
8.5%


Jacksonville University
9.4%

[KPSUL]

Fwiw, last I checked, JMU was still the 5th cheapest tuition and fees university in the state of Virginia. We may have a nation highest student subsidy but when the parents and students are still paying less overall, they don't notice and don't care.

With that being said, I'd love to see our fees go down. We're paying G5, almost P5 bills for an Fcs product. Anything less than a national title each season is unacceptable.

If JMU itemized student fees on bills there would be more objections to the amount of tuition used to support sports. I don't know how they get away with billing the way they do. A couple years ago when my daughter was a JMU student I saw her bill and her Virginia Tech boyfriend's bill at the same time. The Virginia Tech bill not only included a student fees line item, it broke it down into 4 or 5 categories, one of which was varsity sports.

[cx500d]

If JMU itemized student fees on bills there would be more objections to the amount of tuition used to support sports. I don't know how they get away with billing the way they do. A couple years ago when my daughter was a JMU student I saw her bill and her Virginia Tech boyfriend's bill at the same time. The Virginia Tech bill not only included a student fees line item, it broke it down into 4 or 5 categories, one of which was varsity sports.

At least her boyfriend will make enough money to compensate for her jmu education.


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[UNHWildcat18]

At least her boyfriend will make enough money to compensate for her jmu education.


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Good one dude, you're the Man. Too bad JMU as a university is ranked much higher than UND!

[cx500d]

Good one dude, you're the Man. Too bad JMU as a university is ranked much higher than UND!

Oh that hurts, implying I went to und. James Mason university is just a public liberal arts school, whoopdy doo.


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[UNHWildcat18]

Oh that hurts, implying I went to und. James Mason university is just a public liberal arts school, whoopdy doo.


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oooo NDSU my fault, hope that didn't sting too hard. JMU has a fantastic engineering and business school, shouldn't just ignorantly bash another school for academics.

[cx500d]

oooo NDSU my fault, hope that didn't sting too hard. JMU has a fantastic engineering and business school, shouldn't just ignorantly bash another school for academics.

Engineering school? I saw they have a school of Engineering, but they don't offer any of the standard "common" engineering degrees - no electrical, mechanical, civil, industrial engineering. Just some BS in generic engineering, which is where they teach you to say "want fries with that"

[Anthony215]

It is really not free money. If the student applies for the scholarship they have to commit to stay and work in New York State for four years after they graduate. If they leave after graduation then they are obligated to payback the loan with interest. I understand this is not a popular since many kids do not want to commit to stay in New York and I cant blame them .

Its not like they have to stay in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens or Bronx after graduating. I would gladly take 4 years of tuition paid for by the state in exchange for sucking it up for 4 years working in NY even if I had to live in North Jersey and commute into the city if I landed a job in Manhattan lol.

[UIWWildthing]

Towson might have the highest in student fees, that's not JMU: $15,753,694

[RootinFerDukes]

Towson might have the highest in student fees, that's not JMU: $15,753,694

CAA Football ($ amount funded):
#1 - JMU
#2 - UD
#3 - SB
#4 - TU
#5 - UNH
#6 - URI
#7 - UA
#8 - WM
#9 - UM

VU, UR and Elon are all private and info is not available.

[UIWWildthing]

CAA Football ($ amount funded):
#1 - JMU
#2 - UD
#3 - SB
#4 - TU
#5 - UNH
#6 - URI
#7 - UA
#8 - WM
#9 - UM

VU, UR and Elon are all private and info is not available.

I was looking at the student fees for the schools, UD was $0, SB was $8.6 million, UNH was $12 million. I was shocked by the student fees for Towson and JMU.

[flyrod]

Fwiw, last I checked, JMU was still the 5th cheapest tuition and fees university in the state of Virginia. We may have a nation highest student subsidy but when the parents and students are still paying less overall, they don't notice and don't care.

With that being said, I'd love to see our fees go down. We're paying G5, almost P5 bills for an Fcs product. Anything less than a national title each season is unacceptable.

I just put my Daughter thru JMU for 4 years and 1 year at JMU was alot less money then 1 year At Virginia Tech...(she did her 1st year at TECH and we did the math when she told us she didnt like tech and wanted to transfer to another school, we did the research and the cost and well JMU was still the best bang for the buck...she just graduated JMU this spring.)

[JayMYou]

At least her boyfriend will make enough money to compensate for her jmu education.

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I can tell from the picture of you and your prostitute having breakfast in your double wide that your education hasn't really paid much in the way of dividends either. Mucas Texas must not have a McDonalds...

[Nickels]

I can tell from the picture of you and your prostitute having breakfast in your double wide that your education hasn't really paid much in the way of dividends either. Mucas Texas must not have a McDonalds...
As usual JMU fans staying classy...Lucas is a suburb of a metroplex that's nearly bigger than your entire little state. I think he's fine on amenities.

[Nickels]

BTW 10k for room and board at JMU. xlolx

[JayMYou]

As usual JMU fans staying classy...Lucas is a suburb of a metroplex that's nearly bigger than your entire little state. I think he's fine on amenities.

So him taking cheap shots at a poster's daughter is classy? And trying to prop himself up by devaluing JMU's education? And now you're taking lame shots at JMU as well?

[BisonFan02]

I can tell from the picture of you and your prostitute having breakfast in your double wide that your education hasn't really paid much in the way of dividends either. Mucas Texas must not have a McDonalds...

Ho Ho **** you got him good you ****er. xlolx

[Nickels]

So him taking cheap shots at a poster's daughter is classy? And trying to prop himself up by devaluing JMU's education? And now you're taking lame shots at JMU as well?
Holy **** you guys are the biggest cry babies on the web. Man up for ****s sake.

[JMUisat14]

Engineering school? I saw they have a school of Engineering, but they don't offer any of the standard "common" engineering degrees - no electrical, mechanical, civil, industrial engineering. Just some BS in generic engineering, which is where they teach you to say "want fries with that"

Yeah not so true about the engineering school. It's young, only been accredited for a few years.

But the business school is, and has been for a while, nationally ranked (https://www.jmu.edu/news/2016/04/19-businessweek-ranking.shtml) in the top 50. The other major programs there are Biology, Nursing, ISAT/GIS, Computer Science, and Hospitality/Sports Management.

[cx500d]

Yeah not so true about the engineering school. It's young, only been accredited for a few years.

But the business school is, and has been for a while, nationally ranked (https://www.jmu.edu/news/2016/04/19-businessweek-ranking.shtml) in the top 50. The other major programs there are Biology, Nursing, ISAT/GIS, Computer Science, and Hospitality/Sports Management.

Not true? Check the catalog...they don't offer electrical, mechanical, civil, industrial, etc. I would think you know what degrees your school offers.


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[JMUisat14]

Not true? Check the catalog...they don't offer electrical, mechanical, civil, industrial, etc. I would think you know what degrees your school offers.


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I was agreeing with you...

[cx500d]

As usual JMU fans staying classy...Lucas is a suburb of a metroplex that's nearly bigger than your entire little state. I think he's fine on amenities.

To be fair, my town doesn't have a McDonald's.


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[cx500d]

So him taking cheap shots at a poster's daughter is classy? And trying to prop himself up by devaluing JMU's education? And now you're taking lame shots at JMU as well?

I was giving a complement to her boyfriends school, Virginia Tech. I've worked with a lot of Virginia tech engineering grads and they are very good.


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[Nickels]

To be fair, my town doesn't have a McDonald's.


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Google maps says you have to drive all the way to Allen...oh the horror.

[cx500d]

Google maps says you have to drive all the way to Allen...oh the horror.

That is true! It's hard to get a pizza delivered also, so it is quite primitive living here. We don't even have a sewer system.


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[TheKingpin28]

That is true! It's hard to get a pizza delivered also, so it is quite primitive living here. We don't even have a sewer system.


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You'd think you were in Brookings by the sound of it.

[cx500d]

You'd think you were in Brookings by the sound of it.

Yeah it's really primitive. Nobody come here because it's not safe.


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[TheKingpin28]

Yeah it's really primitive. Nobody come here because it's not safe.


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[NoVABison]

oooo NDSU my fault, hope that didn't sting too hard. JMU has a fantastic engineering and business school, shouldn't just ignorantly bash another school for academics.

Engineering School at JMU? I am an engineer, I have lived and worked in Northern Virginia since 1995, and I have yet to meet an engineer with a degree from JMU. JMU is a fine school -- not bashing them, but don't trash an upper midwest education, you come off as an East Cost elitist.

[RootinFerDukes]

JMU's engineering program started in 2008. It's relatively new.
I always LOL when schools that aren't the best ranked themselves like to act like they're friggin Harvard in comparison.
I get if we take crap from an Ivy, but some of the fans of schools that are ranked worse than many Virginia second tier safety schools? LOL

[cx500d]

JMU's engineering program started in 2008. It's relatively new.
I always LOL when schools that aren't the best ranked themselves like to act like they're friggin Harvard in comparison.
I get if we take crap from an Ivy, but some of the fans of schools that are ranked worse than many Virginia second tier safety schools? LOL

Well, then answer this: Does JMU offer a degree in Electrical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, or Civil Engineering?
Yes, or no.

[NoVABison]

Well, then answer this: Does JMU offer a degree in Electrical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, or Civil Engineering?
Yes, or no.

Interesting... JMU has a Bachelor of Science Degree in Engineering, as in it is a general engineering degree, not specific any discipline, it is ABET accredited though.

[NoVABison]

JMU's engineering program started in 2008. It's relatively new.
I always LOL when schools that aren't the best ranked themselves like to act like they're friggin Harvard in comparison.
I get if we take crap from an Ivy, but some of the fans of schools that are ranked worse than many Virginia second tier safety schools? LOL

I am not disrespecting any school, I find people who do are rather boorish. I have many friends who went ot JMU who are successful and intelligent. In addition, I am not sure where NDSU is ranked academically -- those rankings can be a bit weird in how they rank schools -- but I do know that my NDSU degree has allowed me an extremely successful and lucrative career in the Construction Industry, and I have worked straight for 35 years without ever being unemployed -- how do you rank that for a school?

[cx500d]

I am not disrespecting any school, I find people who do are rather boorish. I have many friends who went ot JMU who are successful and intelligent. In addition, I am not sure where NDSU is ranked academically -- those rankings can be a bit weird in how they rank schools -- but I do know that my NDSU degree has allowed me an extremely successful and lucrative career in the Construction Industry, and I have worked straight for 35 years without ever being unemployed -- how do you rank that for a school?

I'd say you got your money's worth, which was about $244/quarter for as many credits as you wanted to take, including all fees and admittance to all sporting events in 1982.


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[Da Bison]

That $244 per quarter was for up to 18 credits. You paid $12 per credit over 18. My last 3 quarters were 24, 25 and 20 credits. Things have changed since then.

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[cx500d]

That $244 per quarter was for up to 18 credits. You paid $12 per credit over 18. My last 3 quarters were 24, 25 and 20 credits. Things have changed since then.

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Not when I went. It was for any amount over 12 credits.

The actual tuition was $210, it was $34 for the athletics and activity fee.

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[Professor Chaos]

Saw this on Bisonville so figured I'd share... the numbers have been updated to include 2017: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

I put some public FCS school top 10 lists together for 2016 in the OP so here's the lists for 2017.... not much has changed it appears.

Total revenue (highest)
1. James Madison $48,210,400
2. Delaware $40,883,947
3. UC Davis $35,954,033
4. Stony Brook $32,458,520
5. New Hampshire $31,621,272
6. Cal Poly $31,435,074
7. William & Mary $28,401,480
8. Sacramento St $28,275,369
9. North Dakota $28,201,349
10. Illinois St $27,852,407

Total revenue (lowest)
1. Alabama A&M $3,293,950
2. Mississippi Valley St $4,332,784
3. Savannah St $4,508,343
4. Alcorn St $6,321,380
5. South Carolina St $7,232,850
6. Grambling St $7,853,609
7. Arkansas-Pine Bluff $7,904,735
8. Nicholls St $8,463,641
9. Jackson St $9,466,619
10. Florida A&M $10,741,985

Total allocated/subsidy (highest)
1. James Madison $39,119,920
2. Delaware $33,063,193
3. UC Davis $27,442,876
4. Stony Brook $26,799,950
5. Towson $23,576,513
6. Sacramento St $22,764,632
7. William & Mary $28,401,480
8. New Hampshire $21,800,013
9. Cal Poly $21,762,270
10. Kennesaw St $19,449,114

Total allocated/subsidy (lowest)
1. Alabama A&M $342,723
2. Mississippi Valley St $2,146,526
3. Savannah St $2,852,372
4. South Carolina St $3,441,735
5. Alcorn St $3,864,109
6. Grambling St $3,887,444
7. Florida A&M $4,605,221
8. Jackson St $4,731,558
9. Nicholls St $5,243,798
10. Arkansas-Pine Bluff $5,665,044

% subsidy/allocated (lowest)
1. Alabama A&M 10.40
2. Montana 27.41
3. North Dakota St 28.90
4. South Dakota St 36.29
5. Florida A&M 42.87
6. VMI 46.09
7. Montana St 46.47
8. North Dakota 46.48
9. South Carolina St 47.58
10. Northern Iowa 47.62

% subsidy/allocated (highest)
1. Towson 87.35
2. Morehead St 85.17
3. Stony Brook 82.57
4. Texas Southern 82.22
5. Stephen F Austin 82.07
6. Lamar 81.80
7. Central Connecticut 81.48
8. James Madison 81.14
9. Morgan St 81.06
10. Delaware 80.87

[nodak651]

Saw this on Bisonville so figured I'd share... the numbers have been updated to include 2017: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

I put some public FCS school top 10 lists together for 2016 in the OP so here's the lists for 2017.... not much has changed it appears.

Total revenue (highest)
1. James Madison $48,210,400
2. Delaware $40,883,947
3. UC Davis $35,954,033
4. Stony Brook $32,458,520
5. New Hampshire $31,621,272
6. Cal Poly $31,435,074
7. William & Mary $28,401,480
8. Sacramento St $28,275,369
9. North Dakota $28,201,349
10. Illinois St $27,852,407

Total revenue (lowest)
1. Alabama A&M $3,293,950
2. Mississippi Valley St $4,332,784
3. Savannah St $4,508,343
4. Alcorn St $6,321,380
5. South Carolina St $7,232,850
6. Grambling St $7,853,609
7. Arkansas-Pine Bluff $7,904,735
8. Nicholls St $8,463,641
9. Jackson St $9,466,619
10. Florida A&M $10,741,985

Total allocated/subsidy (highest)
1. James Madison $39,119,920
2. Delaware $33,063,193
3. UC Davis $27,442,876
4. Stony Brook $26,799,950
5. Towson $23,576,513
6. Sacramento St $22,764,632
7. William & Mary $28,401,480
8. New Hampshire $21,800,013
9. Cal Poly $21,762,270
10. Kennesaw St $19,449,114

Total allocated/subsidy (lowest)
1. Alabama A&M $342,723
2. Mississippi Valley St $2,146,526
3. Savannah St $2,852,372
4. South Carolina St $3,441,735
5. Alcorn St $3,864,109
6. Grambling St $3,887,444
7. Florida A&M $4,605,221
8. Jackson St $4,731,558
9. Nicholls St $5,243,798
10. Arkansas-Pine Bluff $5,665,044

% subsidy/allocated (lowest)
1. Alabama A&M 10.40
2. Montana 27.41
3. North Dakota St 28.90
4. South Dakota St 36.29
5. Florida A&M 42.87
6. VMI 46.09
7. Montana St 46.47
8. North Dakota 46.48
9. South Carolina St 47.58
10. Northern Iowa 47.62

% subsidy/allocated (highest)
1. Towson 87.35
2. Morehead St 85.17
3. Stony Brook 82.57
4. Texas Southern 82.22
5. Stephen F Austin 82.07
6. Lamar 81.80
7. Central Connecticut 81.48
8. James Madison 81.14
9. Morgan St 81.06
10. Delaware 80.87

Thanks for posting this. Would like to see revenue and expenses categories broken down as well. I think this would be much harder to do because you have to click on each school. It would be cool if we could get a google docs spreadsheet setup so we can have a spreadsheet with the ticket sales, coaches pay, etc.