View Full Version : Top Ten Quarterbacks to Watch in the FCS - Ranking
youcanbankit
May 10th, 2017, 04:52 PM
Per Athlon Sports, The top ten FCS QB's to watch in 2017.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/top-10-fcs-quarterbacks-watch-2017#7
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BisonFan02
May 10th, 2017, 05:21 PM
Gubrud......then the rest.
youcanbankit
May 10th, 2017, 05:24 PM
He is pretty good.... He can sling it.
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24966&stc=1
BisonFan02
May 10th, 2017, 05:29 PM
He is pretty good.... He can sling it.
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24966&stc=1
Yup.......seen it.
youcanbankit
May 10th, 2017, 05:40 PM
Stats are good....Top 3 on the board.
Gabrud, Briscoe, and Hodges, not necessarily in that order.
http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?conf=999
BisonTru
May 10th, 2017, 06:25 PM
Lauletta is way too low.
ASU33
May 10th, 2017, 06:39 PM
Solid list of guys!
Bucs2016
May 10th, 2017, 07:42 PM
Everybody better watch the kid from Wofford. Hes gonna be special.
centennial
May 10th, 2017, 07:54 PM
2 years ago I would've put Wentz 1 and Stick 5. This last year Stick has hasn't showed that he is top 10 in the FCS. Way too inconsistent. Missed easy touchdowns all around. Deep ball was wanting, was 58% comp in a lower risk attack. 2 years ago I thought he might also have a chance in the NFL ala Jimmy Garoppolo with better wheels. Right now I would be surprised if he even makes it as a camp arm.
I really hope he can make strides. What are the stastical chances that NDSU have a camp arm to CFL backup, then NFL starter, then another CFL type QB. I am almost convinced that NDSU's system needs a QB that is top 5 in the FCS with borderline CFL talent. Not by numbers but by the ability. NDSU is changing protections on the line, calling plays on the line, then actually doing full reads, plus the play book is very NFLesqe.
TheKingpin28
May 10th, 2017, 09:07 PM
Yup.......seen it.
Felt it
BisonFan02
May 10th, 2017, 09:12 PM
Felt it
Right in your lions as he tossed 4 TDs and 450 yards against the Bison at will? He also rushed for another 50 and a TD.... It was not enjoyable for me personally to witness. xlolx
TheKingpin28
May 11th, 2017, 12:35 AM
Right in your lions as he tossed 4 TDs and 450 yards against the Bison at will? He also rushed for another 50 and a TD.... It was not enjoyable for me personally to witness. xlolx
This was me
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/Thracozaag/emo/kstatenooo_medium_zpsjtt2ks0m.gif
I was trying to be mad but I could not. Guburd was just lighting the Bison up without the use of Kupp. That is what blew mind that they could not contain him at all. Also that 3-3-5 was pathetic. I never want to see that ever again. He should be the favorite for offensive MVP. How I wish he was wearing a Bison jersey this year.
BisonFan02
May 11th, 2017, 12:38 AM
This was me
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/Thracozaag/emo/kstatenooo_medium_zpsjtt2ks0m.gif
I was trying to be mad but I could not. Guburd was just lighting the Bison up without the use of Kupp. That is what blew mind that they could not contain him at all. Also that 3-3-5 was pathetic. I never want to see that ever again. He should be the favorite for offensive MVP. How I wish he was wearing a Bison jersey this year.
He won't win it because someone will put up gaudy numbers against easier competition. Also...how in the **** did my "loins" comment get autocorrected to "lions"? xlolx
BisonTru
May 11th, 2017, 12:39 AM
I was impressed with Gage. His pocket awareness was impressive, but I still think Lauletta was better in a much worse showing. Swap teams and I expect similar results.
BisonTru
May 11th, 2017, 12:42 AM
He won't win it because someone will put up gaudy numbers against easier competition. Also...how in the **** did my "loins" comment get autocorrected to "lions"? xlolx
He's going to put up numbers in EWU. He'll be in the running. I'd even say he should be the favorite.
TheKingpin28
May 11th, 2017, 12:50 AM
He won't win it because someone will put up gaudy numbers against easier competition. Also...how in the **** did my "loins" comment get autocorrected to "lions"? xlolx
Let me guess, he play's in the Southland and he play's in a town, home to a penitentiary?
That's why I did not respond. I had no idea how I could feel that in my lions. But I did get a tingle up my leg that game.
chattownmocs
May 11th, 2017, 06:55 AM
Bennifield is top 10.
Mocs123
May 11th, 2017, 08:16 AM
Bennifield has talent and a strong arm. He throws a beautiful deep ball (something Jacob Huesman didn't). It will be interesting to see how he develops under Arth.
PaladinFan
May 11th, 2017, 11:30 AM
Bennifield is top 10.
You could make an argument Bennefield wasn't even one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the SoCon last season, much less top 10 in the country.
He's a good player, but his numbers were unspectacular last season despite having the most talented roster in the conference.
I expect in 2017 he will put up good numbers, but stay behind Hodges in most categories. Both Furman and VMI are moving to more run oriented offenses and lose good QBs.
Mocs123
May 11th, 2017, 11:42 AM
Hodges's will continue to put up monster numbers in that system. His numbers last year were straight from a Video game.
Barring something crazy happening, he will win 1st team all SoCon honors for sure. No other SoCon QB is put in a situation to put up numbers like that. I imagine Bennifeild would take winning the conference over all SoCon awards.
I agree he isn't a top ten QB in the country based on last year- probably more like top 15-20 - but that's still pretty good and he has room to improve this season.
DirtyDukes
May 11th, 2017, 11:45 AM
Schor should be higher ask Alpha
PaladinFan
May 11th, 2017, 01:40 PM
Hodges's will continue to put up monster numbers in that system. His numbers last year were straight from a Video game.
Barring something crazy happening, he will win 1st team all SoCon honors for sure. No other SoCon QB is put in a situation to put up numbers like that. I imagine Bennifeild would take winning the conference over all SoCon awards.
I agree he isn't a top ten QB in the country based on last year- probably more like top 15-20 - but that's still pretty good and he has room to improve this season.
The only concern I have about Bennefield is the loss of some of his weapons.
A lot of what I saw out of UTC last year put Bennefield in a position to make plays by utilizing the vertical and horizontal rushing attack with Craine and Bagley. I don't know what Arth's system will look like, but I do think Bennefield was as reliant on his offensive personnel as any QB in the league. Most of the other top QBs (Hodges, Hannon, Cobb, Russ, etc.) were sort of one-man bands. Bennefield seemed to heavily rely on his offensive players forcing defenses to defend more space, opening up his running and throwing lanes. It will be interesting to see how he does this season. Really a good looking player.
Mocs123
May 11th, 2017, 02:14 PM
Obviously I am curious to see what Arth's offense looks like as well. It's supposed to be more Pro style and less spread.
I didn't get to go to the spring game but it sounded very vanilla, which is probably to be expected.
underdawg
May 11th, 2017, 02:44 PM
SIU likes their starter 6-3 235 pound Sam Straub/ started the last three games last year: 339 yards passing (69 rushing) against USD, 386 yards passing against YSU, and 450 yard passing versus WEstern Il in a win---1126 yards in three games. Of course he has a great arm but is also strong for a QB Just setting a QB record for squat the other day at 505 pounds.
Gangtackle11
May 11th, 2017, 03:16 PM
I saw 3 of the 10 in person last season against a pretty good Villanova defense. I'd rank the 3 I saw in this order:
1. Schor - JMU had Villanova's defense on its collective heels until our NT landed on him & sent him out.
2. Lauletta - I've seen him the past 2 seasons. He's talented and next level possibility.
3. Christian SDSU - Maybe it was our defense, but I saw a confused QB in December. Had happy feet most of the game & was bailed out by Goeddart most of the day making incredible catches in traffic. Our LB dropped a pick 6 midway of 4th Q too. Threw right at him.
Villanova QB listed in next 10 is generous. Doesn't see the field most plays & relies on his legs over his arm whenever he senses the littlest amount of trouble. Has his best games against lower level CAA teams.
The Cats
May 11th, 2017, 04:07 PM
Here's hoping that Tyrie Adams can make that top ten list as a sophomore........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtOM9qzrPgg
Mocs123
May 11th, 2017, 04:32 PM
I hope Adams isn't :)
Incredible athlete though, I see glimpses of Armani Edwards in him. Not sure if he will ever be a top 10 QB as his game is different just as Jacob Huesman was probably never a "top 10" QB on paper but he won a lot of games for us and was more valuable of football player than just about any of the QB's on a top 10 list.
citdog
May 11th, 2017, 04:33 PM
Here's hoping that Tyrie Adams can make that top ten list as a sophomore........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtOM9qzrPgg
Are you even sure he will be on the team in the fall?
The Cats
May 11th, 2017, 04:41 PM
He'll be there.
citdog
May 11th, 2017, 04:42 PM
He'll be there.
Currently suspended though correct?
Kemo
May 11th, 2017, 07:00 PM
I saw 3 of the 10 in person last season against a pretty good Villanova defense. I'd rank the 3 I saw in this order:
1. Schor - JMU had Villanova's defense on its collective heels until our NT landed on him & sent him out.
2. Lauletta - I've seen him the past 2 seasons. He's talented and next level possibility.
3. Christian SDSU - Maybe it was our defense, but I saw a confused QB in December. Had happy feet most of the game & was bailed out by Goeddart most of the day making incredible catches in traffic. Our LB dropped a pick 6 midway of 4th Q too. Threw right at him.
Villanova QB listed in next 10 is generous. Doesn't see the field most plays & relies on his legs over his arm whenever he senses the littlest amount of trouble. Has his best games against lower level CAA teams.
That was definitely Christion's worst game of the year, and Villinova's D had a lot to do with it along with the slick turf. I think TC had trouble reading the 3-3-5, as I don't think he's ever seen it before, or at least one that talented. That game was a reminder that he was only a true sophomore.
Taryn's accuracy was waning by the end of the last year as well, so if he can straighten that out and just have a natural progression in timing/decision making, he should at minimum be a top 5 QB in the FCS, if not higher, with all the weapons he has on offense.
The Cats
May 11th, 2017, 07:16 PM
Currently suspended though correct?
Why ask a queston when you already know the answer?
He was suspended through the end of the academic year, which prevented his participation in the track and field championsips, where he would have been the defending SoCon High Jump champion.
DallasSpider
May 11th, 2017, 07:34 PM
I will probably get chewed out by the spider fans by saying this but I wouldn't be surprised if KJ keeps the job. Not saying he will, just saying he will be coming into camp as the starter (Huesman said so in an interview) and he fits this new offense much more naturally. He has the stronger arm, quicker release, and the necessary mobility whereas Kyle has him beat on short/medium accuracy and experience. However, KJ did prove himself in the playoffs last year. I'm expecting a battle this training camp and don't think Huesman will immediately right Kyle in as the starter.
citdog
May 11th, 2017, 08:32 PM
I will probably get chewed out by the spider fans by saying this but I wouldn't be surprised if KJ keeps the job. Not saying he will, just saying he will be coming into camp as the starter (Huesman said so in an interview) and he fits this new offense much more naturally. He has the stronger arm, quicker release, and the necessary mobility whereas Kyle has him beat on short/medium accuracy and experience. However, KJ did prove himself in the playoffs last year. I'm expecting a battle this training camp and don't think Huesman will immediately right Kyle in as the starter.
It's not like Lauletta is his son or anything...
xdontknowx
Go Lehigh TU Owl
May 11th, 2017, 10:46 PM
I have a feeling Lehigh's Brad Mayes and Fordham's Kevin Anderson will both receive more postseason accolades than Peter Pujals.
chattownmocs
May 12th, 2017, 02:15 AM
You could make an argument Bennefield wasn't even one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the SoCon last season, much less top 10 in the country.
He's a good player, but his numbers were unspectacular last season despite having the most talented roster in the conference.
I expect in 2017 he will put up good numbers, but stay behind Hodges in most categories. Both Furman and VMI are moving to more run oriented offenses and lose good QBs.
Horrific troll post.
Bennifield stats
64.4% completion percentage . 32 total tds. 2989 total yards. 152.8 pass efficiency.
He lost 2 decent WRs, big deal. Same story every year from you. "How can chattanooga ever replace this guy and this guy." Newsflash dumbass, the old staff never stopped recruiting good players. As a matter of fact, they arguably recruited better in the upcoming classes than they did in the classes we just lost. If UTC falls off a cliff it will be due to the coaching change.
youcanbankit
May 12th, 2017, 11:43 AM
2016 Passing Yard Leaders - Key Stats Highlighted
Passing Yards
Rank
Player
Team
G
QBRat (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=28&lg=999)
Att (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=4&lg=999)
Comp (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=5&lg=999)
Comp % (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=17&lg=999)
Yds
Yds/Att (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=18&lg=999)
TD (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=7&lg=999)
Int (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=8&lg=999)
Long (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=26&lg=999)
1
G. Gubrud (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=244675)
EastWa
14
166.6
570
386
67.7
5160
9.1
48
14
84
2
J. Briscoe (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=226219)
SamHou
13
172.9
503
315
62.6
4602
9.1
57
10
80
3
D. Hodges (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=243748)
Sam
12
154.9
530
375
70.8
4088
7.7
36
8
63
4
T. Christion (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=253216)
SDkSt
13
154.8
434
279
64.3
3714
8.6
30
9
70
5
A. Gahafer (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=229157)
Mor
11
131.5
458
254
55.5
3404
7.4
25
10
86
6
K. Humphries (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=215864)
Murray
10
135.4
442
283
64.0
3116
7.0
23
11
87
7
H. Hildebrand (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=227828)
CenArk
13
136.8
391
236
60.4
3051
7.8
19
10
83
8
J. Tabary (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=243913)
McNe
11
136.4
415
249
60.0
3036
7.3
23
7
85
9
J. Clark (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=220053)
Web
12
131.6
431
265
61.5
3028
7.0
23
14
50
10t
D. Kincade (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=230373)
Gram
12
166.0
341
218
63.9
3022
8.9
31
4
72
10t
K. Lauletta (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=231871)
Rich
11
153.9
349
220
63.0
3022
8.7
24
8
66
12
B. Schor (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=245429)
JMU
14
186.2
297
217
73.1
3002
10.1
29
6
68
13
A. Lawrence (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=241982)
SD
12
155.0
364
246
67.6
2998
8.2
25
8
62
14
J. Dolegala (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=258769)
CentCt
11
124.1
432
258
59.7
2934
6.8
15
9
78
15
M. White (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=242176)
Marist
11
118.8
418
203
48.6
2931
7.0
21
11
83
16
S. McGuire (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=241036)
WestIl
11
130.5
396
230
58.1
2914
7.4
20
12
68
17
D. Buechel (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=220301)
Duq
11
139.0
363
208
57.3
2865
7.9
23
10
65
18
D. Easton (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=219036)
Bryant
11
134.9
388
219
56.4
2855
7.4
28
14
67
19
B. Gustafson (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=220251)
Mont
9
141.5
396
260
65.7
2785
7.0
25
8
75
20
D. Sealey (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=247122)
AbChr
10
134.7
388
237
61.1
2773
7.1
19
5
76
PaladinFan
May 12th, 2017, 12:03 PM
Horrific troll post.
Bennifield stats
64.4% completion percentage . 32 total tds. 2989 total yards. 152.8 pass efficiency.
He lost 2 decent WRs, big deal. Same story every year from you. "How can chattanooga ever replace this guy and this guy." Newsflash dumbass, the old staff never stopped recruiting good players. As a matter of fact, they arguably recruited better in the upcoming classes than they did in the classes we just lost. If UTC falls off a cliff it will be due to the coaching change.
Bennefield's rankings among SoCon QBs in 2016:
Passing Average: 201.7 ypg (6th - behind Hodges, Hannon, Adams, Cobb, Russ)
Pass efficiency: 152.6 (3rd - behind Hodges and Hannon)
Total Offense: 230.7 (5th - behind Hodges, Hannon, Russ, Adams)
Completion %: 64.4% (3rd - behind Hodges and Hannon)
Interceptions: 7 (1st among throwing QBs). Hodges had 1 more INT on 200 more attempts.
Passing Yards: 2,622 (2nd - behind Hodges, but played in two more games than Adams ad Russ, and four more games than Hannon and Cobb)
I argued last season that UTC was not going to simply replace Jacob Huesman with Antonio Bennefield. I don't think Bennefield did anything this season to make me change my opinion. I didn't say he was a good player, but you look at the numbers and he put up comparatively good, not great, season flanked by the most talented roster in the SoCon.
He may blow the doors off in 2017, but as you may have guessed, I am one that looks at past results as the most indicative of future ability.
youcanbankit
May 12th, 2017, 12:17 PM
I like Bennifield, he is an athletic QB, and I hope he plays all year. But he has a guy in his rear view mirror that may push him this year. Nick Tiano. If Tiano pans out with his transfer, it could impact Chattanooga's finish in SoCon. If......Big if. But Could be a difference maker.
Horrific troll post.
Bennifield stats
64.4% completion percentage . 32 total tds. 2989 total yards. 152.8 pass efficiency.
Mocs123
May 12th, 2017, 01:17 PM
Taino was in spring practice and I agree he should push Bennifield to be better. Both are athletic so it's not impossible that we may have both on the field together from time to time.
Hard to tell with a new HC and OC.
Bennifeld played well last year with the exception to the Wofford game. I thought Hannon was a good QB that never got to really shine. Cobb was in that boat too. Hodges puts up great numbers but somewhat detrimental to the team. I think Samford needs to run more to have success, which might hurt Hodges' stats. We didn't Bennifield to do too much (50/50 run/pass) and we went playing from behind so stats can be skewed. I wouldn't have traded him for anyone else in the SoCon last year.
He had more wins than any throwing QB in the conference last year :)
PaladinFan
May 12th, 2017, 01:31 PM
Taino was in spring practice and I agree he should push Bennifield to be better. Both are athletic so it's not impossible that we may have both on the field together from time to time.
Hard to tell with a new HC and OC.
Bennifeld played well last year with the exception to the Wofford game. I thought Hannon was a good QB that never got to really shine. Cobb was in that boat too. Hodges puts up great numbers but somewhat detrimental to the team. I think Samford needs to run more to have success, which might hurt Hodges' stats. We didn't Bennifield to do too much (50/50 run/pass) and we went playing from behind so stats can be skewed. I wouldn't have traded him for anyone else in the SoCon last year.
He had more wins than any throwing QB in the conference last year :)
It was unfortunate that Hannon played his career during this era of Furman football. He was a truly excellent QB that played on some bad teams and had virtually no running game for most of his tenure in Greenville.
youcanbankit
May 12th, 2017, 01:45 PM
Taino was in spring practice and I agree he should push Bennifield to be better. Both are athletic so it's not impossible that we may have both on the field together from time to time.
Hard to tell with a new HC and OC.
Bennifeld played well last year with the exception to the Wofford game. I thought Hannon was a good QB that never got to really shine. Cobb was in that boat too. Hodges puts up great numbers but somewhat detrimental to the team. I think Samford needs to run more to have success, which might hurt Hodges' stats. We didn't Bennifield to do too much (50/50 run/pass) and we went playing from behind so stats can be skewed. I wouldn't have traded him for anyone else in the SoCon last year.
He had more wins than any throwing QB in the conference last year :)
I agree Samford needs to run it more. Your right. However, Hodges is not detrimental. He is a good guy and is highly accurate. Its the scheme he is in, but to complete 70% of your passes in the southern conference is unheard of. He was just a Sophmore , he is maturing and will make better decisions these next two years. He will have one of the best offenses around him this year (OL/RB's) Samford has had in a few years. WR's and TE's could be special this year.
- - - Updated - - -
It was unfortunate that Hannon played his career during this era of Furman football. He was a truly excellent QB that played on some bad teams and had virtually no running game for most of his tenure in Greenville.
Hannon could have been the real deal. He had talent.
Mocs123
May 12th, 2017, 02:33 PM
Hodges numbers were off the charts and the 70% completion percentage is unheard of even in a scheme like Samford runs.
youcanbankit
May 12th, 2017, 03:48 PM
Hodges numbers were off the charts and the 70% completion percentage is unheard of even in a scheme like Samford runs.
Hodges looks great so far, but definitely hard to replicate a 70% number. There are so many talented QB's in the SoCon this year. This conference is on the rise. Its gonna be fun to watch!
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24978&stc=1
PaladinFan
May 12th, 2017, 04:55 PM
Hodges looks great so far, but definitely hard to replicate a 70% number. There are so many talented QB's in the SoCon this year. This conference is on the rise. Its gonna be fun to watch!
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24978&stc=1
Probably worth noting that between Hamilton and Obajimi, Samford graduated 167 catches, 2046 yards, and 20 touchdowns.
So, roughly half of Hodges passing totals went to two guys no longer with the program. That may have some effect on his numbers.
ElCid
May 12th, 2017, 05:09 PM
Hodges looks great so far, but definitely hard to replicate a 70% number. There are so many talented QB's in the SoCon this year. This conference is on the rise. Its gonna be fun to watch!
Probably worth noting that between Hamilton and Obajimi, Samford graduated 167 catches, 2046 yards, and 20 touchdowns.
So, roughly half of Hodges passing totals went to two guys no longer with the program. That may have some effect on his numbers.
Plus so many of his completions were quick out passes to stacked receivers, the completion percentage was going to be high. I don't have the break down, but from my recollection of watching him, the majority were these types. Not a criticism, he is a great QB, but just an observation. Those passes really helped his completion percentage.
youcanbankit
May 12th, 2017, 07:01 PM
Both comments are 100% accurate. (That's higher than Hodges 70%...lol)
I think you will see the ball spread around more, to a number of targets. Definitely need to see some of the receivers in the wings, prepare to be a more active target. Also need a freshman or two to come in and contribute on a smaller level. A lot of talent there and coming in.
The ability to run the ball and stronger defensive play are two other area's I think will improve. The thing most folks don't know about HC Hatcher, is he like to run the ball and have that 600- 1000 yard guy in the back field. More weapons, more offense. He just could not put that together at Murray or yet at Samford. I think folks will see the true hatch attack on the horizon.
[QUOTE]Probably worth noting that between Hamilton and Obajimi, Samford graduated 167 catches, 2046 yards, and 20 touchdowns.
So, roughly half of Hodges passing totals went to two guys no longer with the program. That may have some effect on his numbers.[QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]Plus so many of his completions were quick out passes to stacked receivers, the completion percentage was going to be high. I don't have the break down, but from my recollection of watching him, the majority were these types. Not a criticism, he is a great QB, but just an observation. Those passes really helped his completion percentage.[QUOTE]
JSUSoutherner
May 12th, 2017, 09:01 PM
Taino was in spring practice and I agree he should push Bennifield to be better. Both are athletic so it's not impossible that we may have both on the field together from time to time.
Hard to tell with a new HC and OC.
Bennifeld played well last year with the exception to the Wofford game. I thought Hannon was a good QB that never got to really shine. Cobb was in that boat too. Hodges puts up great numbers but somewhat detrimental to the team. I think Samford needs to run more to have success, which might hurt Hodges' stats. We didn't Bennifield to do too much (50/50 run/pass) and we went playing from behind so stats can be skewed. I wouldn't have traded him for anyone else in the SoCon last year.
He had more wins than any throwing QB in the conference last year :)
Well. We should learn a lot about him on August 26th.
Big Duke
May 12th, 2017, 10:20 PM
2016 Passing Yard Leaders - Key Stats Highlighted
Passing Yards
Rank
Player
Team
G
QBRat (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=28&lg=999)
Att (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=4&lg=999)
Comp (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=5&lg=999)
Comp % (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=17&lg=999)
Yds
Yds/Att (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=18&lg=999)
TD (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=7&lg=999)
Int (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=8&lg=999)
Long (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=26&lg=999)
1
G. Gubrud (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=244675)
EastWa
14
166.6
570
386
67.7
5160
9.1
48
14
84
2
J. Briscoe (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=226219)
SamHou
13
172.9
503
315
62.6
4602
9.1
57
10
80
3
D. Hodges (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=243748)
Sam
12
154.9
530
375
70.8
4088
7.7
36
8
63
4
T. Christion (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=253216)
SDkSt
13
154.8
434
279
64.3
3714
8.6
30
9
70
5
A. Gahafer (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=229157)
Mor
11
131.5
458
254
55.5
3404
7.4
25
10
86
6
K. Humphries (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=215864)
Murray
10
135.4
442
283
64.0
3116
7.0
23
11
87
7
H. Hildebrand (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=227828)
CenArk
13
136.8
391
236
60.4
3051
7.8
19
10
83
8
J. Tabary (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=243913)
McNe
11
136.4
415
249
60.0
3036
7.3
23
7
85
9
J. Clark (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=220053)
Web
12
131.6
431
265
61.5
3028
7.0
23
14
50
10t
D. Kincade (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=230373)
Gram
12
166.0
341
218
63.9
3022
8.9
31
4
72
10t
K. Lauletta (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=231871)
Rich
11
153.9
349
220
63.0
3022
8.7
24
8
66
12
B. Schor (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=245429)
JMU
14
186.2
297
217
73.1
3002
10.1
29
6
68
13
A. Lawrence (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=241982)
SD
12
155.0
364
246
67.6
2998
8.2
25
8
62
14
J. Dolegala (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=258769)
CentCt
11
124.1
432
258
59.7
2934
6.8
15
9
78
15
M. White (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=242176)
Marist
11
118.8
418
203
48.6
2931
7.0
21
11
83
16
S. McGuire (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=241036)
WestIl
11
130.5
396
230
58.1
2914
7.4
20
12
68
17
D. Buechel (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=220301)
Duq
11
139.0
363
208
57.3
2865
7.9
23
10
65
18
D. Easton (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=219036)
Bryant
11
134.9
388
219
56.4
2855
7.4
28
14
67
19
B. Gustafson (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=220251)
Mont
9
141.5
396
260
65.7
2785
7.0
25
8
75
20
D. Sealey (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=247122)
AbChr
10
134.7
388
237
61.1
2773
7.1
19
5
76
Sorry, but if I am reading this correctly, Schor's QB/Rating beats "No Frisco" Brisco
youcanbankit
May 12th, 2017, 11:08 PM
His QB Rating and his completion percentage are great. The highlights on the post were for those at 4000 yards or higher. Definitely a great talent. Hopefully his total passing yards improve to get him in the top 10. He had a great year. The only thing I think that held him back was having the lowest avg. yards per game of these top 20, coming in just short of 215 yards per game. Really looking forward to seeing what he does this year. He is on everyone's watch list this year!
Sorry, but if I am reading this correctly, Schor's QB/Rating beats "No Frisco" Brisco
Go Lehigh TU Owl
May 13th, 2017, 01:33 AM
Shouldn't Lehigh's Brad Mayes be expected to put up big numbers thus factoring for postseason accolades? He's already seen significant time and performed very well. He'll be throwing to arguably the best WR duo in FCS (Pelletier and Casey).
I know everyone wants to tout their team but Lehigh could be inline for a big year. The offense is loaded at every position. Mayes just has to stay healthy...
citdog
May 13th, 2017, 02:41 AM
Shouldn't Lehigh's Brad Mayes be expected to put up big numbers thus factoring for postseason accolades? He's already seen significant time and performed very well. He'll be throwing to arguably the best WR duo in FCS (Pelletier and Casey).
I know everyone wants to tout their team but Lehigh could be inline for a big year. The offense is loaded at every position. Mayes just has to stay healthy...
le high looked so GOOD the last time they played. The patsy league will be what it always is, slightly better than the pioneer league.
PaladinFan
May 13th, 2017, 06:28 AM
Plus so many of his completions were quick out passes to stacked receivers, the completion percentage was going to be high. I don't have the break down, but from my recollection of watching him, the majority were these types. Not a criticism, he is a great QB, but just an observation. Those passes really helped his completion percentage.
I don't have the statistics on this, but it is en vogue now for teams to call a play where the QB sort of flips the ball to a receiver in motion. It appears little more than a run play, but I think gets classified as a pass because the QB throws the ball forward. I know Furman did that a good bit and that certainly helps the "easy completion" numbers.
Longhorn
May 13th, 2017, 05:12 PM
Schor should be higher ask Alpha
Ha! Let the "'lil bear" alone now. You know its not nice to tease dumb animals.
Suffice it to say, should Schor lead JMU to back-to-back NCs and post numbers equal to or better than last season, the silly talk posted on this thread about "who's the best FCS QB" (that has mostly ignored Schor) will appear even more silly (as if that's possible).
Longhorn
May 13th, 2017, 05:17 PM
2016 Passing Yard Leaders - Key Stats Highlighted
Passing Yards
Rank
Player
Team
G
QBRat (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=28&lg=999)
Att (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=4&lg=999)
Comp (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=5&lg=999)
Comp % (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=17&lg=999)
Yds
Yds/Att (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=18&lg=999)
TD (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=7&lg=999)
Int (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=8&lg=999)
Long (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=26&lg=999)
1
G. Gubrud (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=244675)
EastWa
14
166.6
570
386
67.7
5160
9.1
48
14
84
2
J. Briscoe (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=226219)
SamHou
13
172.9
503
315
62.6
4602
9.1
57
10
80
3
D. Hodges (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=243748)
Sam
12
154.9
530
375
70.8
4088
7.7
36
8
63
4
T. Christion (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=253216)
SDkSt
13
154.8
434
279
64.3
3714
8.6
30
9
70
5
A. Gahafer (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=229157)
Mor
11
131.5
458
254
55.5
3404
7.4
25
10
86
6
K. Humphries (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=215864)
Murray
10
135.4
442
283
64.0
3116
7.0
23
11
87
7
H. Hildebrand (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=227828)
CenArk
13
136.8
391
236
60.4
3051
7.8
19
10
83
8
J. Tabary (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=243913)
McNe
11
136.4
415
249
60.0
3036
7.3
23
7
85
9
J. Clark (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=220053)
Web
12
131.6
431
265
61.5
3028
7.0
23
14
50
10t
D. Kincade (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=230373)
Gram
12
166.0
341
218
63.9
3022
8.9
31
4
72
10t
K. Lauletta (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=231871)
Rich
11
153.9
349
220
63.0
3022
8.7
24
8
66
12
B. Schor (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=245429)
JMU
14
186.2
297
217
73.1
3002
10.1
29
6
68
13
A. Lawrence (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=241982)
SD
12
155.0
364
246
67.6
2998
8.2
25
8
62
14
J. Dolegala (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=258769)
CentCt
11
124.1
432
258
59.7
2934
6.8
15
9
78
15
M. White (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=242176)
Marist
11
118.8
418
203
48.6
2931
7.0
21
11
83
16
S. McGuire (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=241036)
WestIl
11
130.5
396
230
58.1
2914
7.4
20
12
68
17
D. Buechel (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=220301)
Duq
11
139.0
363
208
57.3
2865
7.9
23
10
65
18
D. Easton (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=219036)
Bryant
11
134.9
388
219
56.4
2855
7.4
28
14
67
19
B. Gustafson (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=220251)
Mont
9
141.5
396
260
65.7
2785
7.0
25
8
75
20
D. Sealey (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=247122)
AbChr
10
134.7
388
237
61.1
2773
7.1
19
5
76
Briscoe's 172.9 eff. rating looks great, until you compare it against Schor's number. Oh, and I forgot...how did Briscoe fair last season against defenses that didn't roll over? You know, against a real team like JMU?
FUBeAR
May 13th, 2017, 06:40 PM
Briscoe's 172.9 eff. rating looks great...how did Briscoe fair last season against defenses that didn't roll over? You know, against a real team like JMU?
Calculator
Passing Attempts 44
Completions 13
Passing Yards 143
Touchdown Passes 0
Interceptions 2
NCAA Passer Rating 47.75
47.75
chattownmocs
May 15th, 2017, 08:18 AM
Bennefield's rankings among SoCon QBs in 2016:
Passing Average: 201.7 ypg (6th - behind Hodges, Hannon, Adams, Cobb, Russ)
Pass efficiency: 152.6 (3rd - behind Hodges and Hannon)
Total Offense: 230.7 (5th - behind Hodges, Hannon, Russ, Adams)
Completion %: 64.4% (3rd - behind Hodges and Hannon)
Interceptions: 7 (1st among throwing QBs). Hodges had 1 more INT on 200 more attempts.
Passing Yards: 2,622 (2nd - behind Hodges, but played in two more games than Adams ad Russ, and four more games than Hannon and Cobb)
I argued last season that UTC was not going to simply replace Jacob Huesman with Antonio Bennefield. I don't think Bennefield did anything this season to make me change my opinion. I didn't say he was a good player, but you look at the numbers and he put up comparatively good, not great, season flanked by the most talented roster in the SoCon.
He may blow the doors off in 2017, but as you may have guessed, I am one that looks at past results as the most indicative of future ability.
So 1 non-recognized stat has bennifield outside the top 5, he's top 5 all in all others, so he's arguably outside the top 5? He was top 10 nationally or very close to it in several key stats as well. I don't think you have much of an argument at all.
DirtyDukes
May 15th, 2017, 09:51 AM
CCSU QB v JMU 19-31 152yds 2TDs 0INT
MSU QB v JMU 15-21 152 yds 0TDs 2INT
Payton Award Winner v JMU 13-44 143yds 0TDs 2INT
JMUisat14
May 15th, 2017, 02:41 PM
A quarterback is more than his arm. I really don't understand the 4,000 yard "qualifier" that's gotten tossed in here. We aren't a pass happy offense like Samford, EWU or SHSU, but we are the most efficient xthumbsupx
I think this table speaks for itself.
Passing Offense
Yds. Per Attempt
Rushing Offense
Yds. Per Rush
Total Offense
Samford
4193 (78%)
7.68
1161 (22%)
3.61
5354
Eastern Washington
5614 (76%)
9.05
1800 (24%)
4.07
7414
Sam Houston
4788 (67%)
8.77
2327 (33%)
5.21
7115
James Madison
3487 (46%)
9.99
4125 (54%)
5.5
7612
But in case not... here's what Schor would've hypothetically thrown if JMU had the same balance as the other three teams (using their pass % to adjust his numbers): 5,090 (Samford), 4,960 (EWU), 4,372 (SHSU).
Maybe the SHSU and NDSU games weren't enough to convince you all. YSU too I guess but we let off the gas 2nd half. One thing is clear, Schor is the real deal.
EDIT: I can't math sometimes.
Nickels
May 15th, 2017, 09:57 PM
JMU fans are, without a doubt, the whiniest natty winning bunch in AGS history.
youcanbankit
May 15th, 2017, 10:24 PM
Nice Chart. You should run the numbers on the top ten QB's and post a Hypothetical chart of Hypothetical stats. Definitely tells a good story.
We just "Joe Friday" this thing, just the facts (stats) man. Its just based on his stats. Noted that JMU won it all. That's a massive feather in his hat. Just not one of the stats rating the QB position.
A quarterback is more than his arm. I really don't understand the 4,000 yard "qualifier" that's gotten tossed in here. We aren't a pass happy offense like Samford, EWU or SHSU, but we are the most efficient xthumbsupx
I think this table speaks for itself.
Passing Offense
Yds. Per Attempt
Rushing Offense
Yds. Per Rush
Total Offense
Samford
4193 (78%)
7.68
1161 (22%)
3.61
5354
Eastern Washington
5614 (76%)
9.05
1800 (24%)
4.07
7414
Sam Houston
4788 (67%)
8.77
2327 (33%)
5.21
7115
James Madison
3487 (46%)
9.99
4125 (54%)
5.5
7612
But in case not... here's what Schor would've hypothetically thrown if JMU had the same balance as the other three teams (using their pass % to adjust his numbers): 5,090 (Samford), 4,960 (EWU), 4,372 (SHSU).
Maybe the SHSU and NDSU games weren't enough to convince you all. YSU too I guess but we let off the gas 2nd half. One thing is clear, Schor is the real deal.
EDIT: I can't math sometimes.
Redbird 4th & short
May 15th, 2017, 11:11 PM
Nice Chart. You should run the numbers on the top ten QB's and post a Hypothetical chart of Hypothetical stats. Definitely tells a good story.
We just Joe Friday this thing, just the facts (stats) man. Its just based on his stats. Noted that JMU won it all. That's a massive feather in his hat. Just not one of the stats rating the QB position.
this argument cuts both ways. one could easily argue, Schor's passing stats were better (QBR, etc) because JMU had such a prolific run game that opposing defenses were forced to game plan to contain JMU run game, which would in theory make them more susceptible to pass attack. So real question is, would Schor have same proficiency if JMU didn't have their prolific run game and Schor were forced to throw 40 times each game instead of 20 times each game. Opponents game plan teams that throw 40 times per game much differently than those who only throw 20 times.
On flip side, JMU plays CAA, which is a tougher conference defensively (upper half anyway) than EWU in Big Sky and SHSU in Southland. Samford opposition is probably somewhere in middle. As for overall SOS, according to Massey, JMU's ranks 6th, EWU is 8th, Samford is 17th, SHSU is 55th.
Obviously Schor did very well executing their game plan and managing their games, so there is no taking away what he accomplished as their QB. But you can't extrapolate 20 throws to 40 throws and assume similar proficiency. And they arguably would not have one their championship if they didn't dominate run game and had to throw 40 times to compete.
JMUisat14
May 16th, 2017, 09:53 AM
this argument cuts both ways. one could easily argue, Schor's passing stats were better (QBR, etc) because JMU had such a prolific run game that opposing defenses were forced to game plan to contain JMU run game, which would in theory make them more susceptible to pass attack. So real question is, would Schor have same proficiency if JMU didn't have their prolific run game and Schor were forced to throw 40 times each game instead of 20 times each game. Opponents game plan teams that throw 40 times per game much differently than those who only throw 20 times.
On flip side, JMU plays CAA, which is a tougher conference defensively (upper half anyway) than EWU in Big Sky and SHSU in Southland. Samford opposition is probably somewhere in middle. As for overall SOS, according to Massey, JMU's ranks 6th, EWU is 8th, Samford is 17th, SHSU is 55th.
Obviously Schor did very well executing their game plan and managing their games, so there is no taking away what he accomplished as their QB. But you can't extrapolate 20 throws to 40 throws and assume similar proficiency. And they arguably would not have one their championship if they didn't dominate run game and had to throw 40 times to compete.
Completely agree. I'm not saying Schor would throw like that. It's why I said hypothetical. I knew that second section would get some responses rolling in..
The point I'm trying to get across is it's useless putting so much weight on one or two stats. You need the whole picture. Each of them competes in a different environment which you've described well.
I do think if there was a year where JMU could've gone air heavy it was 2016. We had more weapons in the receiving corps than I think JMU has ever had, but we didn't need to go there. It'll be interesting to see who fills in there this year.
PaladinFan
May 16th, 2017, 10:54 AM
So 1 non-recognized stat has bennifield outside the top 5, he's top 5 all in all others, so he's arguably outside the top 5? He was top 10 nationally or very close to it in several key stats as well. I don't think you have much of an argument at all.
So, are you going to retract your "terrific troll post" comment? You put the numbers on paper and pretty plainly recognize that Bennefield, had inferior numbers to several other SoCon QBs last season. Again, all of that despite having the most talented roster in the league.
Your argument is essentially that Bennefield is a top ten national QB because you feel that way. That's fine, you are entitled to your feelings.
My argument is that he's probably not a top ten national QB, because if you compare his 2016 numbers to other top QBs, they don't really stack up. I have a hard time putting a guy in the upper echelon of FCS QBs when he wasn't really even one of the top QBs in his own conference.
Again, he may blow the doors off, but that's just speculation at this point.
Mocs123
May 16th, 2017, 11:30 AM
My prediction: Bennifield will not be voted SoCon 1st Team QB this season as Hodges will put up BIG numbers. Bennifield will however win more games than Hodges and be the 2nd Team QB.
Right now Bennifield is probably around the 15-20 best QB in FCS, by the end of next season he will be 8-12 depending on how he progresses. He has good tools but won't put the kind of gaudy numbers up of Hodges or Briscoe.
BadlandsGrizFan
May 16th, 2017, 12:12 PM
Im 28 and I honestly cant remember Eastern Washington ever not having an absolute stud at QB...it blows my mind. Even when the Griz were dominating them they still had a ridiculous QB.
PaladinFan
May 16th, 2017, 12:34 PM
My prediction: Bennifield will not be voted SoCon 1st Team QB this season as Hodges will put up BIG numbers. Bennifield will however win more games than Hodges and be the 2nd Team QB.
Right now Bennifield is probably around the 15-20 best QB in FCS, by the end of next season he will be 8-12 depending on how he progresses. He has good tools but won't put the kind of gaudy numbers up of Hodges or Briscoe.
QBs in a high percentage system like Samford runs (or App State/Elon before that) have an inherent advantage in such rankings. Their offensive system is designed around giving them a lot of opportunities to put up staggering numbers.
I would certainly put Bennefield as the #2 preseason QB coming into 2017 (I don't get a vote). Tyrie Adams at WCU arguably put up better numbers last year in a freshman campaign, but I think there is some issue with his eligibility (maybe a WCU fan can weigh in).
I also wouldn't sleep on PJ Blazejowski at Furman. He's put up good numbers in part time duty to this point, and looks tailor made for Furman's new offense. If he can cut down on the turnovers and harness a season much like Chris Forcier had for Furman in 2011, I think he could be on the post season list. Furman's an enigma at this point, so there's no sense in worrying much about it now.
Redbird 4th & short
May 16th, 2017, 04:48 PM
Completely agree. I'm not saying Schor would throw like that. It's why I said hypothetical. I knew that second section would get some responses rolling in..
The point I'm trying to get across is it's useless putting so much weight on one or two stats. You need the whole picture. Each of them competes in a different environment which you've described well.
I do think if there was a year where JMU could've gone air heavy it was 2016. We had more weapons in the receiving corps than I think JMU has ever had, but we didn't need to go there. It'll be interesting to see who fills in there this year.
agree, dependence on stats as if all other things are equal, can be misleading. Offensive system, play calling, SOS, conference style, OL and WR groups .. even defenses which can provide good field position, more time of possession, turnovers, etc .. all can favorable or adversely impact a quarterbacks performance. If your team dominates and always has the lead, a conservative coach will put breaks on and run out clock. Vice verus if your team like shoot outs, and is always plaing from behind with nothing to lose against a team playing prevent.
All things are never equal .. so Schor may or may not put up great QBRs if he doubled his pass count fom 20 to 40 like EWU, SHSU, and Samford .. next year, they have new RB, but I believe same tough OL .. so we'll see if JMU passes a little more w/o the stud RB.
ASU33
May 16th, 2017, 07:28 PM
Im 28 and I honestly cant remember Eastern Washington ever not having an absolute stud at QB...it blows my mind. Even when the Griz were dominating them they still had a ridiculous QB.
Very true. It's almost like they have an assembly line out there in Cheney.
DirtyDukes
May 17th, 2017, 10:26 AM
JMU fans are, without a doubt, the whiniest natty winning bunch in AGS history.
LOL this coming from a SHSU fan is RICH.
Panther88
May 17th, 2017, 10:34 AM
Briscoe + the rest.
Special shout-out to Briscoe's 2nd stringer (the big lefty w/ the canon for an arm xsmhx ). He's very gifted as well.
citdog
May 17th, 2017, 04:40 PM
Special shout-out to Briscoe's 2nd stringer (the big lefty w/ the canon for an arm xsmhx ). He's very gifted as well.
I saw him in their spring game too. He can really spin it...
Sammy94
May 17th, 2017, 04:46 PM
Briscoe + the rest.
Special shout-out to Briscoe's 2nd stringer (the big lefty w/ the canon for an arm xsmhx ). He's very gifted as well.
You should know by now its only because of his schedule. Anybody can throw for 400 yards and 7 tds against SFA.
They must think a lot of that 2nd stringer because I heard this guy is going to move to tight end. I really thought he would be the one to take over after this season at QB.
http://247sports.com/player/cody-brewer-37031
Daytripper
May 17th, 2017, 05:00 PM
You should know by now its only because of his schedule. Anybody can throw for 400 yards and 7 tds against SFA.
They must think a lot of that 2nd stringer because I heard this guy is going to move to tight end. I really thought he would be the one to take over after this season at QB.
http://247sports.com/player/cody-brewer-37031
Wow. I guess this year's top recruit (Ty Brock) will back up Griffin after this year. It's a good problem to have a lot of good quarterbacks. xnodx
Panther88
May 17th, 2017, 05:59 PM
You should know by now its only because of his schedule. Anybody can throw for 400 yards and 7 tds against SFA.
They must think a lot of that 2nd stringer because I heard this guy is going to move to tight end. I really thought he would be the one to take over after this season at QB.
http://247sports.com/player/cody-brewer-37031
IMO, QBs are naturally competitive so I'm sure he wants the field but it's hard when just ahead of you is another specimen w/ last name Briscoe. TE though???? xsmhx That young man could EASILY be a starter elsewhere, imo. His arm, accuracy, foot work, et al were very impressive although it's hard to accurately gauge in a true-game atmosphere vs a scrimmage like atmosphere where QBs cannot get hit.
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I saw him in their spring game too. He can really spin it...
With ease. Just a flick of the wrist and it was 40+ yds in-flight.
Daytripper
May 17th, 2017, 06:24 PM
IMO, QBs are naturally competitive so I'm sure he wants the field but it's hard when just ahead of you is another specimen w/ last name Briscoe. TE though???? xsmhx That young man could EASILY be a starter elsewhere, imo. His arm, accuracy, foot work, et al were very impressive although it's hard to accurately gauge in a true-game atmosphere vs a scrimmage like atmosphere where QBs cannot get hit.
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With ease. Just a flick of the wrist and it was 40+ yds in-flight.
This isn't the lefty you saw in the spring game. This is Cody Brewer. The guy you saw was Caleb Griffin.
PaladinFan
May 18th, 2017, 06:09 AM
IMO, QBs are naturally competitive so I'm sure he wants the field but it's hard when just ahead of you is another specimen w/ last name Briscoe. TE though???? xsmhx That young man could EASILY be a starter elsewhere, imo. His arm, accuracy, foot work, et al were very impressive although it's hard to accurately gauge in a true-game atmosphere vs a scrimmage like atmosphere where QBs cannot get hit.
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With ease. Just a flick of the wrist and it was 40+ yds in-flight.
Not that it makes a difference, but Furman has in the last 7 or 8 years moved two QBs to TE that turned into all Americans at the postition.
Daytripper
May 18th, 2017, 07:34 AM
Not that it makes a difference, but Furman has in the last 7 or 8 years moved two QBs to TE that turned into all Americans at the postition.
The Houston Texans just signed SFA QB Zach Conque as an UDFA tight end. It's becoming a more common transition for athletic quarterbacks.
Panther88
May 18th, 2017, 11:04 AM
This isn't the lefty you saw in the spring game. This is Cody Brewer. The guy you saw was Caleb Griffin.
That young man is physically remarkable(CGriffin). God forbid if an injury occurred to Briscoe, I do believe the O would be in very capable hands w/ Mr Griffin under center. I was mesmerized watching Mr Briscoe/Mr Griffin in action and wish them both well on this upcoming season.
Panther88
May 18th, 2017, 11:09 AM
The Houston Texans just signed SFA QB Zach Conque as an UDFA tight end. It's becoming a more common transition for athletic quarterbacks.
That's an interesting transition. The olden Pasqualoni HC-led model recruited a # of QBs and then made them WRs, DBs, and TBs. During their heyday years, at one point, they had 15(14? one of those) former QBs on their roster. Intelligence + competitivity + speed. Hella' combo.
Daytripper
May 18th, 2017, 12:17 PM
That's an interesting transition. The olden Pasqualoni HC-led model recruited a # of QBs and then made them WRs, DBs, and TBs. During their heyday years, at one point, they had 15(14? one of those) former QBs on their roster. Intelligence + competitivity + speed. Hella' combo.
Well, usually the best/most athletic player on a high school team is the quarterback. Why not recruit a bunch of them?
Redbird 4th & short
May 18th, 2017, 02:03 PM
The Houston Texans just signed SFA QB Zach Conque as an UDFA tight end. It's becoming a more common transition for athletic quarterbacks.
ISU had Cam Meredith as backup QB for 3 years, then moved him to WR in years 4 & 5 .. he was UFA 2 years ago, and is now the Bear top WR last year with 66 catches .. got his chance mainly because of all the injuries to WR crew. He isn't done getting better.
Year
Team
REC
YDS
AVG
LNG
TD
ATT
YDS
AVG
2016
Bears (https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&biw=1538&bih=661&q=Chicago+Bears&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLQz9U3MKw0LgMA_Ygd1wwAAAA&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGn7GAg_rTAhVPfiYKHeQwDFMQMQgjMAA)
66
888
13.5
50
4
1
6
6.0
2015
Bears (https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&biw=1538&bih=661&q=Chicago+Bears&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLQz9U3MKw0LgMA_Ygd1wwAAAA&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGn7GAg_rTAhVPfiYKHeQwDFMQMQgkMAA)
11
120
10.9
22
0
0
0
-
Career
77
1,008
13.1
50
4
1
6
6.0
Nickels
May 18th, 2017, 02:07 PM
That young man is physically remarkable(CGriffin). God forbid if an injury occurred to Briscoe, I do believe the O would be in very capable hands w/ Mr Griffin under center. I was mesmerized watching Mr Briscoe/Mr Griffin in action and wish them both well on this upcoming season.
Wish we would have started Griffin against JMU as Briscoe was too injured to play that game. Longo prioritized records over winning. Glad he's gone.
Daytripper
May 18th, 2017, 02:18 PM
Wish we would have started Griffin against JMU as Briscoe was too injured to play that game. Longo prioritized records over winning. Glad he's gone.
Agree.
Thumper 76
May 18th, 2017, 02:19 PM
I saw 3 of the 10 in person last season against a pretty good Villanova defense. I'd rank the 3 I saw in this order:
1. Schor - JMU had Villanova's defense on its collective heels until our NT landed on him & sent him out.
2. Lauletta - I've seen him the past 2 seasons. He's talented and next level possibility.
3. Christian SDSU - Maybe it was our defense, but I saw a confused QB in December. Had happy feet most of the game & was bailed out by Goeddart most of the day making incredible catches in traffic. Our LB dropped a pick 6 midway of 4th Q too. Threw right at him.
Villanova QB listed in next 10 is generous. Doesn't see the field most plays & relies on his legs over his arm whenever he senses the littlest amount of trouble. Has his best games against lower level CAA teams.
Very much agree. TC wasn't the same qb the second half of the season after the Marker game. He missed a lot of his deep seam passses to Wieneke and Goedert he was money on the first half of the season. Nova did a great job of shutting down the SDSU offense, even with the weather included. I think that 3-3-5 really confused the hell out of them. However, with another season under his belt to improve in the offseason, this offense should be historic compared to any prior SDSU team, and TC will be the catalyst even though he has the best pass catching duo in the country. They certainly don't hurt his numbers and should be factored in when you compare him to other qbs.
Sammy94
May 18th, 2017, 03:43 PM
Wish we would have started Griffin against JMU as Briscoe was too injured to play that game. Longo prioritized records over winning. Glad he's gone.
Amen. He prioritized himself looking good to get a payday, it worked and I am glad to see he moved on.
Panther88
May 18th, 2017, 04:29 PM
Well, usually the best/most athletic player on a high school team is the quarterback. Why not recruit a bunch of them?
I want so badly to agree w/ you :D (former QB). 2 TE set w/ 3 in the backfield & QB under center, lets separate the men from the boys on a drive. :D
citdog
May 18th, 2017, 04:56 PM
I want so badly to agree w/ you :D (former QB). 2 TE set w/ 3 in the backfield & QB under center, lets separate the men from the boys on a drive. :D
Every guy in The Citadel's backfield next year will be a former Quarterback. Including the best thrower we have. Should be VERY interesting with the wrinkles that can be installed in the Triple Option to get big plays down the field via the forward pass...
PaladinFan
May 18th, 2017, 09:04 PM
Every guy in The Citadel's backfield next year will be a former Quarterback. Including the best thrower we have. Should be VERY interesting with the wrinkles that can be installed in the Triple Option to get big plays down the field via the forward pass...
Those wrinkles always seem more theoretical than something you see in actual practice. A lot of teams have former QBs playing all over the field, and rarely do you see anyone other than the QB throw the ball.
BEAR
May 19th, 2017, 10:09 AM
7
H. Hildebrand (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/players.asp?id=227828)
CenArk
13
136.8
391
236
60.4
3051
7.8
19
10
83
Wow. I didn't know Hildebrand did that well with only 391 attempts. We RUSHED the ball 645 times last year. Poor guy never got into a rhythm and our offense struggled to get started most games. Imagine had he been the typical pass offense team where its thrown 60% of the time instead of the paltry 33% of the time he got to throw it. I'm proud of him and this year, his senior year, I hope we got to more than 33% passing.
BadlandsGrizFan
May 19th, 2017, 10:46 AM
It must be so difficult to find good QBs in Texas....xcoffeex
Wow. I guess this year's top recruit (Ty Brock) will back up Griffin after this year. It's a good problem to have a lot of good quarterbacks. xnodx
DirtyDukes
May 19th, 2017, 12:55 PM
Wish we would have started Griffin against JMU as Briscoe was too injured to play that game. Longo prioritized records over winning. Glad he's gone.
LOL he was not injured. He just sucked and couldn't play in the cold - playing with gloves on for the first time. They spent 1,000 hours before the game talking about how he was good to go. His throwing motion did not look impaired. They never mentioned his injury during the broadcast. I'm not going to let you Soft Houston State boys rewrite history behind your fraudulent Payton winner.
Grizalltheway
May 19th, 2017, 01:44 PM
Those wrinkles always seem more theoretical than something you see in actual practice. A lot of teams have former QBs playing all over the field, and rarely do you see anyone other than the QB throw the ball.
Cal Poly burned a lot of teams with the pass last year. 1534 total yards at 15.5 per catch.
F'N Hawks
May 19th, 2017, 01:54 PM
Cal Poly burned a lot of teams with the pass last year. 1534 total yards at 15.5 per catch.
They didn't burn UND. They just straight dropped back and threw all over them. Graves was good.
citdog
May 19th, 2017, 02:02 PM
Cal Poly burned a lot of teams with the pass last year. 1534 total yards at 15.5 per catch.
The Citadel threw for 850yds last season with the exact same 15.5 per catch...
Sammy94
May 19th, 2017, 02:27 PM
LOL he was not injured. He just sucked and couldn't play in the cold - playing with gloves on for the first time. They spent 1,000 hours before the game talking about how he was good to go. His throwing motion did not look impaired. They never mentioned his injury during the broadcast. I'm not going to let you Soft Houston State boys rewrite history behind your fraudulent Payton winner.
Hurt, cold, gloves whatever the reason, fraudulent isn't a word I would use because of the results of a single game.
PaladinFan
May 19th, 2017, 02:58 PM
The Citadel threw for 850yds last season with the exact same 15.5 per catch...
I expect you are going to see some similar type numbers from Furman in that regard. Coach Hendrix's Air Force group threw for 134 yards a game last year, but a pretty eye popping 25 yards per completion. They didn't always throw it, but when they did, they went for the haymaker.
Longhorn
May 19th, 2017, 03:13 PM
Hurt, cold, gloves whatever the reason, fraudulent isn't a word I would use because of the results of a single game.
The only game when it mattered, and the only game against an opponent with a real defensive backfield.
Daytripper
May 19th, 2017, 03:26 PM
Hurt, cold, gloves whatever the reason, fraudulent isn't a word I would use because of the results of a single game.
Quit responding to that JMU assclown. He just trolls.
bobby.wilson.5667
May 19th, 2017, 07:48 PM
I like Bennifield, he is an athletic QB, and I hope he plays all year. But he has a guy in his rear view mirror that may push him this year. Nick Tiano. If Tiano pans out with his transfer, it could impact Chattanooga's finish in SoCon. If......Big if. But Could be a difference maker.
You are right, the pro system that will be implemented may favor Taino a little bit. Bennifield will be the front runner, but who knows once the season progresses.
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cx500d
May 19th, 2017, 08:26 PM
Yep...It exposed the Southland.... Easy to look good playing your OOC against NW Southern Panhandle State
LOL he was not injured. He just sucked and couldn't play in the cold - playing with gloves on for the first time. They spent 1,000 hours before the game talking about how he was good to go. His throwing motion did not look impaired. They never mentioned his injury during the broadcast. I'm not going to let you Soft Houston State boys rewrite history behind your fraudulent Payton winner.
Nickels
May 19th, 2017, 08:39 PM
Quit responding to that JMU assclown. He just trolls.
and If you respond he cries to Ursus like a little bitch...
Bison Fan in NW MN
May 20th, 2017, 09:05 AM
2 years ago I would've put Wentz 1 and Stick 5. This last year Stick has hasn't showed that he is top 10 in the FCS. Way too inconsistent. Missed easy touchdowns all around. Deep ball was wanting, was 58% comp in a lower risk attack. 2 years ago I thought he might also have a chance in the NFL ala Jimmy Garoppolo with better wheels. Right now I would be surprised if he even makes it as a camp arm.
I really hope he can make strides. What are the stastical chances that NDSU have a camp arm to CFL backup, then NFL starter, then another CFL type QB. I am almost convinced that NDSU's system needs a QB that is top 5 in the FCS with borderline CFL talent. Not by numbers but by the ability. NDSU is changing protections on the line, calling plays on the line, then actually doing full reads, plus the play book is very NFLesqe.
Stick needs to improve his consistency for sure. One series he looks great then the next he looks pretty mediocre at best. 58% definitely needs to come in order for this offense to run effectively IMO.
I would like to actually see what Davis could do. Hopefully he gets some time in the MV or RM games.
Redbird 4th & short
May 20th, 2017, 10:20 AM
agree, dependence on stats as if all other things are equal, can be misleading. Offensive system, play calling, SOS, conference style, OL and WR groups .. even defenses which can provide good field position, more time of possession, turnovers, etc .. all can favorable or adversely impact a quarterbacks performance. If your team dominates and always has the lead, a conservative coach will put breaks on and run out clock. Vice verus if your team like shoot outs, and is always plaing from behind with nothing to lose against a team playing prevent.
All things are never equal .. so Schor may or may not put up great QBRs if he doubled his pass count fom 20 to 40 like EWU, SHSU, and Samford .. next year, they have new RB, but I believe same tough OL .. so we'll see if JMU passes a little more w/o the stud RB.
Bit off this topic but certainly related ... Point on importance of field position to offense and defense, and it's impact on winning games and how much you win by .. there was a year my Chicago Bears dropped from top 3-5 defense to middle of pack, and everyone wondered why are defense sucked so bad all of a sudden. Somebody crunched the data and determined the Bears defense was just as good .. problem was their offense absolutely sucked .. bottom 2-3. So they looked at defensive results broken down by starting field position and determined the Bears were still in Top 3-5 from almost every position (0-10, 10-20, 20-30, etc) on the field .. problem was the defense was always coming on the field in bad position, not to mention with very little rest .. and still dominated defensively when adjusted for starting field position. I couldn't;t find that article but found this one for college. It doesn't show the defensive or offensive states, just win% and scoring margin based on average starting field position margin. I don't imagine this is a revelation to many of you .. but the impact is pretty telling and definitive.
JMU dominated nearly every phase of game last year, including turnovers and return game .. which result in great starting field position most games .. over 15 game season, that is huge. If your average staring field position is 10 yards better than your opponent over course of 12 drives .. that's worth 120 yards for the game .. no matter how you obtained that added field position.
Here is link and screen print: http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/1/24/5337968/college-football-five-factors
All else being equal, the simple act of starting drives further up the field than your opponent can pay off significantly. (Of course, since field position is determined not only by special teams but also an offense's ability to get at least a first down or two before punting, "all else being equal" isn't the best way to put it. But you get the drift.)
FP Margin Range
% of 2013 games
Win%
Avg. scoring margin
20+ yards
4.0%
96.9%
+32.4
15-20 yards
8.6%
92.8%
+28.6
10-15 yards
17.8%
86.7%
+19.9
6-10 yards
23.5%
78.3%
+15.7
3-6 yards
23.5%
59.8%
+6.3
0-3 yards
22.7%
54.1%
+2.6
Panther88
May 21st, 2017, 02:06 PM
Those wrinkles always seem more theoretical than something you see in actual practice. A lot of teams have former QBs playing all over the field, and rarely do you see anyone other than the QB throw the ball.
It's a nice wrinkle to introduce to an unsuspecting opponent though (QB throwback).
DirtyDukes
May 22nd, 2017, 10:31 AM
Quit responding to that JMU assclown. He just trolls.
and If you respond he cries to Ursus like a little bitch...
LOL U MAD.
I have never cried to Ursus - ask him yourself. It was your boy MK because he got his little feelings hurt. Sorry I brought actual reason and non biased eyes to your Mediocre at best quarterback. Instead of arguing with facts you call me a troll. Regardless, the fact remains that Briscoe wouldn't be a 3rd string QB in any other league. He's just bad.
Sammy94
May 22nd, 2017, 11:05 AM
LOL U MAD.
I have never cried to Ursus - ask him yourself. It was your boy MK because he got his little feelings hurt. Sorry I brought actual reason and non biased eyes to your Mediocre at best quarterback. Instead of arguing with facts you call me a troll. Regardless, the fact remains that Briscoe wouldn't be a 3rd string QB in any other league. He's just bad.
That is an opinion, the fact remains he won the Payton.
Daytripper
May 22nd, 2017, 11:22 AM
That is an opinion, the fact remains he won the Payton.
Another fact is that assclown's team beat us on the field and won the national championship but still feels it is necessary to troll all things SHSU. Not sure what kind of inferiority complex he has that causes this behavior. Any psychology majors out there?
DirtyDukes
May 22nd, 2017, 11:29 AM
Another fact is that assclown's team beat us on the field and won the national championship but still feels it is necessary to troll all things SHSU. Not sure what kind of inferiority complex he has that causes this behavior. Any psychology majors out there?
That reflects more on SHSU's fans' behavior than it does my own.
Panther88
May 22nd, 2017, 11:51 AM
Another fact is that assclown's team beat us on the field and won the national championship but still feels it is necessary to troll all things SHSU. Not sure what kind of inferiority complex he has that causes this behavior. Any psychology majors out there?
You rang? :D
Seriously, IMHO, Mr Briscoe isn't "garbage" and certainly far removed from any semblance of 2nd or 3rd string play elsewhere. He has the required tools and skillset to arguably be a 1st stringer @ several upon several D-I schools (notice, didn't say FCS either).
We are very fortunate to have him on our campus this fall to allow our young men to compete against the BEST.
centennial
May 22nd, 2017, 12:04 PM
LOL U MAD.
I have never cried to Ursus - ask him yourself. It was your boy MK because he got his little feelings hurt. Sorry I brought actual reason and non biased eyes to your Mediocre at best quarterback. Instead of arguing with facts you call me a troll. Regardless, the fact remains that Briscoe wouldn't be a 3rd string QB in any other league. He's just bad.
Oh come on. I like to mess with SHSU posters as much most people here. Briscoe is not a 3rd string QB. He does play in a very QB friendly system but you still have to make the throws. All I can say about him is that I don't know how he will do in a West Coast or NFL offense. He would start on a lot of G5 and FCS teams.
cx500d
May 22nd, 2017, 12:06 PM
Oh come on. I like to mess with SHSU posters as much most people here. Briscoe is not a 3rd string QB. He does play in a very well QB friendly system but you still have to make the throws. All I can say about him is that I don't know how he will do in a West Coast or NFL offense. He would start on a lot of G5 and FCS teams.
I agree. 3rd string is a little too Trollish
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nodak651
June 5th, 2017, 06:12 PM
Anyone think Chris Streveler (USD) deserves to be mentioned? He ran for almost a thousand yards last year and completed 60% of his passes. He looked like he had a lot of potential the few times I saw him play.
Yotes21
June 5th, 2017, 06:31 PM
Anyone think Chris Streveler (USD) deserves to be mentioned? He ran for almost a thousand yards last year and completed 60% of his passes. He looked like he had a lot of potential the few times I saw him play.
Chris is possibly the best running QB in the MVFC. He is hard to bring down if you go straight at him and he can run away from most defenders. He has shown glimpses of great QB play, but has not shown enough consistency to be top 10. He had a lot of bad fumble turnovers. He also threw too many pick 6's on out patterns that were too far of a throw and too predictable in those situations. We were young and inexperienced at WR while our tenured receivers were injured a lot of the year. Hopefully with a year under the receivers and Chris' belt he will have a breakout year. I think the potential is there as you said, this is his last chance to prove it.
Thumper 76
June 5th, 2017, 11:54 PM
Anyone think Chris Streveler (USD) deserves to be mentioned? He ran for almost a thousand yards last year and completed 60% of his passes. He looked like he had a lot of potential the few times I saw him play.
He's a solid qb but not top 10 in the country by a long shot. He could end up being one of course.
Herder
June 6th, 2017, 09:49 AM
Shreveler would stand out more in a conf like the Southland, where Defense is optioinal. Seems like Briscoe's (while he is very good) numbers are inflated in the Southland. He would meet some resistance in the other top conferences. Gubrud seems like the real deal from his games i've watched. Is he next level? I don't know.
jmufan999
June 6th, 2017, 02:02 PM
I will probably get chewed out by the spider fans by saying this but I wouldn't be surprised if KJ keeps the job. Not saying he will, just saying he will be coming into camp as the starter (Huesman said so in an interview) and he fits this new offense much more naturally. He has the stronger arm, quicker release, and the necessary mobility whereas Kyle has him beat on short/medium accuracy and experience. However, KJ did prove himself in the playoffs last year. I'm expecting a battle this training camp and don't think Huesman will immediately right Kyle in as the starter.
there is absolutely no way Lauletta isn't the starter if he's healthy. I will make any avatar/signature bet if you'd like to make one (might need to PM me if so, in case I forget to check this thread again).
edit: just realized you gave the obligatory fence-riding "not saying he will [start]". take a stand, man! who's starting? i'm saying Lauletta and am willing to bet on it. let's go.
cx500d
June 6th, 2017, 06:53 PM
Anyone think Chris Streveler (USD) deserves to be mentioned? He ran for almost a thousand yards last year and completed 60% of his passes. He looked like he had a lot of potential the few times I saw him play.
He looks impressive at times!
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Matt
June 21st, 2017, 12:07 PM
there is absolutely no way Lauletta isn't the starter if he's healthy. I will make any avatar/signature bet if you'd like to make one (might need to PM me if so, in case I forget to check this thread again).
edit: just realized you gave the obligatory fence-riding "not saying he will [start]". take a stand, man! who's starting? i'm saying Lauletta and am willing to bet on it. let's go.
You're probably right, but DallasSpider isn't alone in this thinking. I've heard it from several spider fans. I'd start Lauletta, but JFC i do not want to see him run.
You're welcome for this reply to a thread no one has commented on in two weeks.
jmufan999
June 21st, 2017, 02:37 PM
You're probably right, but DallasSpider isn't alone in this thinking. I've heard it from several spider fans. I'd start Lauletta, but JFC i do not want to see him run.
as a JMU fan, i'd be absolutely thrilled if you benched Lauletta. I will do hand-stands if it happens (which only has a .001% chance of happening, assuming he doesn't get injured before Week 1).
Thumper 76
June 22nd, 2017, 02:50 AM
as a JMU fan, i'd be absolutely thrilled if you benched Lauletta. I will do hand-stands if it happens.
That would be the strangest celebration I've ever seen, if you think about it. Cartwheel, yes. Hand stand though.....
Kemo
June 22nd, 2017, 07:58 AM
That would be the strangest celebration I've ever seen, if you think about it. Cartwheel, yes. Hand stand though.....
A handstand is nothing more than a failed cartwheel attempt.
citdog
June 22nd, 2017, 06:52 PM
That would be the strangest celebration I've ever seen, if you think about it. Cartwheel, yes. Hand stand though.....
Dude is probably used to getting piledrove by his boyfriend.
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