Permanent 12th Game Option for the FCS: agree or disagree?

[bonarae]

Wow. No one has posted a thread on this issue yet in recent memory, which is to be voted on at the Division I Council Meeting this week in Indianapolis. The issue is co-sponsored by the OVC and the Southland Conferences, however, it does not affect the 2017 season.

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20170411092951867157904

If approved, the 12 game schedule will only take effect on years in which there are 13 weekends between Labor Day weekend and the weekend prior to Thanksgiving. Although the 12th game is optional, if the option is approved, the start of the FCS regular season would become the weekend prior to Labor Day weekend, which is usually the start week in NAIA schools.

Okay, some questions and opinions from me:
1. Will the Ivies take action towards adding more games to comply or are they still standing pat, possibly going all the way down to a NESCAC-style schedule?
2. Can the remaining FCS schools have an easier time finding countable opponents that are FBS, FCS, D-II or NAIA?
3. I have a gut feeling that the schools will have a "race to the first to schedule an opponent" competition, in which the losers are the ones usually finding lower-quality competition.

[Bisonator]

It was discussed at length when it was first brought up. I hope it passes. Would be nice to have the ability to schedule an extra game if a school wanted to and it wouldn't be mandatory.

[JayJ79]

If approved, the 12 game schedule will only take effect on years in which there are 13 weekends between Labor Day weekend and the weekend prior to Thanksgiving.

I'm pretty sure that 12th games are ALREADY an option on years in which there are 13 weekends between Labor Day weekend and the weekend prior to Thanksgiving.
The proposal is for the option of a 12th game to be there EVERY year

[Go Green]

1. Will the Ivies take action towards adding more games to comply or are they still standing pat, possibly going all the way down to a NESCAC-style schedule?


No

Yes

No

[mvemjsunpx]

Interesting tidbit I hadn't seen before:



With the Southwestern Athletic Conference dropping from a nine-game conference schedule to seven games beginning this year,

That means they should be playing enough non-conference games that we can see how good or bad they really are.

[Bisonoline]

I'm pretty sure that 12th games are ALREADY an option on years in which there are 13 weekends between Labor Day weekend and the weekend prior to Thanksgiving.
The proposal is for the option of a 12th game to be there EVERY year

You are correct.

[McTailGator]

Yes, we need this in the SLC. It's only an option. Coaches that don't want it, don't need it or want it don't need to do it.

[UAalum72]

I'm pretty sure that 12th games are ALREADY an option on years in which there are 13 weekends between Labor Day weekend and the weekend prior to Thanksgiving.
The proposal is for the option of a 12th game to be there EVERY year
Yes, because if the start of the season moves up to the weekend BEFORE Labor Day, there will always be 13 weekends available, and 14 in some years.

2019 - August 24, 31 (Labor Day weekend) September 7, 14, 21, 28 October 5, 12, 19, 26 November 2, 9, 16, 23 - Thanksgiving on 11/28

[RichH2]

Fine option for those that want it.

[BisonTru]

As a fan I'm all for more football. I could be swayed against it if a majority of the coaches felt it would be to tasking on the student athletes.

Would this mean the first weekend of FCS football would be the now kickoff game weekend?

[F'N Hawks]

If this goes through I feel sorry for the AD's at MVSU and Valpo. Like they don't have enough to worry about, now they gotta field 15 calls a day.

[bluehenbillk]

I can't see how you can be opposed to this & still call yourself a football fan. More football, more football, more football!!!!

[BEAR]

I love the idea. FBS schools do this every year. The only thing I ask is the number of scholarships be increased to compensate for the wear of playing the extra game. With FCS schools having around 20 schollys less than FBS to start with the fair thing would to be to allow FCS schools a few more for wear. Injuries at the FBS level and you have a backup ready. Injuries at the FCS level and most teams are SOL for a shot at the FCS championship. But I do see how the extra pay game OR extra FCS game would help some teams get a better shot at the playoffs.

[Go Green]

Here's what the Dartmouth Football Blog says about the move with respect to the Ivy. (Also some depressing stats on Ivy attendance).

http://biggreenalertblog.blogspot.com/2017/04/elsewhere-in-fcs.html

[wapiti]

How will having a 12th game every year affect selecting at-large teams for the playoffs?
If 2 teams with equal SOS that each have 7 wins, but one played 12 games and the other 11. Which one will have the advantage?

[POD Knows]

How will having a 12th game every year affect selecting at-large teams for the playoffs?
If 2 teams with equal SOS that each have 7 wins, but one played 12 games and the other 11. Which one will have the advantage?

The one with 11 depending on what the other loss was for the team with 12 games. Who knows.

[Bisonator]

How will having a 12th game every year affect selecting at-large teams for the playoffs?
If 2 teams with equal SOS that each have 7 wins, but one played 12 games and the other 11. Which one will have the advantage?
How would they have equal SOS? I don't think that's possible. My guess is the 7-4 team would probably be picked over the 7-5 team either way. Now a question could come about if you are looking at seeding between a 9-2 and 9-3 team I suppose but is it really going to be any different then what we go thru now anyway?

[KPSUL]

In some regions of the country teams are challenged scheduling 11 games. We are already seeing too many Div 2 games and two many mediocre or poor FCS teams scheduling two FBS opponents.

[Bisonator]

In some regions of the country teams are challenged scheduling 11 games. We are already seeing too many Div 2 games and two many mediocre or poor FCS teams scheduling two FBS opponents.
So what? If a school wants to schedule another money game or another home gimme what's it care? The PO selection should still come down to the entire body of work.Maybe they can put a clause in only 11 games are countable to PO selection and no D2's or something like that.

[KPSUL]

So what? If a school wants to schedule another money game or another home gimme what's it care? The PO selection should still come down to the entire body of work.Maybe they can put a clause in only 11 games are countable to PO selection and no D2's or something like that.

I could care a less if some teams want to squeeze in a 12th game before the playoffs begin. But it's important to make sure it doesn't become perceived that playing 12 games is an advantage. The "so what" is merely broadening the discussion to include the concerns of many teams currently playing FCS football, particularly the smaller conferences like the Big South and the NEC that have to scramble to fill current schedules and teams from regions where there are few possible FCS out of conference opponents.

[Bisonator]

Well the other nice thing with this is it would open up more dates hence possibly making a bit easier to get those 11th games scheduled.

[Daytripper]

Well the other nice thing with this is it would open up more dates hence possibly making a bit easier to get those 11th games scheduled.

It would also allow more flexibility in scheduling bye-weeks.

[walliver]

Clemson and Alabama both played 15 games last year.
With a 12-game schedule, a FCS team could possibly play 17 games in a season, a shorter season at that.
As long as it's optional, I don't care. It will be interesting to see how the vote goes, as I suspect a lot of college presidents will not want a longer schedule, and a significant number of schools will have very poor attendance the week prior to labor day.

[DFW HOYA]

Here's what the Dartmouth Football Blog says about the move with respect to the Ivy. (Also some depressing stats on Ivy attendance).

http://biggreenalertblog.blogspot.com/2017/04/elsewhere-in-fcs.html

No more depressing a stat that Penn is drawing 5,990 a game in Franklin Field. A quick look over at thw NCAA site reveals these attendance numbers in 1982, just 25 seasons ago:

Lehigh at Penn: 11,154
Colgate at Penn: 12,212
Columbia at Penn: 13,563
Yale at Penn: 32,175
Harvard at Penn: 34,756

http://web1.ncaa.org/footballStatsArchive/FootballStats.pdf?id=5788276.0

[Go Green]

No more depressing a stat that Penn is drawing 5,990 a game in Franklin Field.

I think that it's accepted that Penn plays in front of the most empty seats these days--at least when the Harvard-Yale game is at Harvard.

[UAalum72]

No more depressing a stat that Penn is drawing 5,990 a game in Franklin Field. A quick look over at thw NCAA site reveals these attendance numbers in 1982, just 25 seasons ago:

Lehigh at Penn: 11,154
Colgate at Penn: 12,212
Columbia at Penn: 13,563
Yale at Penn: 32,175
Harvard at Penn: 34,756

http://web1.ncaa.org/footballStatsArchive/FootballStats.pdf?id=5788276.0Thirty-five years ago. Tempus fugit.

[BisonTru]

Would this mean the first weekend of FCS football would be the now kickoff game weekend?

Does anyone know the answer here? Does this mean FCS football would start a week earlier or would the playoffs get bumped back a week?

[ysubigred]

I can't see how you can be opposed to this & still call yourself a football fan. More football, more football, more football!!!!

Take YSU for an example; Last year under a 12 game schedule, the Guins would have played 17 game in one season xeyebrowx Great for the fans hard on the athlete.

[Go...gate]

Not sure it is really needed in FCS.

[BigHouseClosedEnd]

I don't see the point of this. There's no money in FCS football. It's too hard to find 3 sensible OOC games, let alone 4.

[nodak651]

I don't see the point of this. There's no money in FCS football. It's too hard to find 3 sensible OOC games, let alone 4.
Play 11 games then. Let other schools play 12.

[DFW HOYA]

I don't see the point of this. There's no money in FCS football. It's too hard to find 3 sensible OOC games, let alone 4.

Try five.

[GodHelpTheBears]

I imagine if we can get a second FBS program to bite on any given year, we'll go to 12.

If not, we'll stick to 11.

[Go Green]

Try five.

Maybe this is what your AD was getting at when he said that we could expect more Ivy teams on the Hoyas' OOC schedule?

:)

[Bisonator]

Take YSU for an example; Last year under a 12 game schedule, the Guins would have played 17 game in one season xeyebrowx Great for the fans hard on the athlete.
Not if you only scheduled 11 regular season games. I don't see very many if any teams playing 17 games.

[Bisonator]

Play 11 games then. Let other schools play 12.
Exactly!

[DFW HOYA]

Maybe this is what your AD was getting at when he said that we could expect more Ivy teams on the Hoyas' OOC schedule?

:)


Either that, or just play Davidson both home and away...

[SUUTbird]

If this passes I'm curious how the Big Sky will go about it. With how bloated and shenanigan filled our current scheduling is this could justify setting up two divisions and potentially a conference Championship Game.

[Thumper 76]

Color me shocked that it's CAA fans making up the majority against this.


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[ASU33]

It'll be interesting to see how this goes to say the least. An extra home games means more $$$$$ and that usually the way the presidents and ADs go.

[UAalum72]

Color me shocked that it's CAA fans making up the majority against this.


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??? There are only three CAA fans offered an opinion so far, one in favor. Not seeing a need, or questioning the effect on scheduling, doesn't mean "against" when it's optional.

[Mattymc727]

Im in favor

[Jason Svoboda]

Denied.

Gotta keep those meddling FCS schools down.

[F'N Hawks]

Sounds like the bigger conferences shot it down. MVFC for sure....Big Sky and CAA vote no, also?

[Professor]

Hearing the vote was 8 to 5

[POD Knows]

Denied.

Gotta keep those meddling FCS schools down.
Good, 15 games a year is enough

[Gangtackle11]

Sounds like the bigger conferences shot it down. MVFC for sure....Big Sky and CAA vote no, also?

Don't think Thumper will believe you.

[Thumper 76]

Don't think Thumper will believe you.
I believe him. Not sure why I wouldn't....

[ASU33]

Hearing the vote was 8 to 5


I wonder if there will be a breakdown of which conference voted which way?

[KPSUL]

Here's an article on the vote, not much more detail than has already been mentioned on this thread,

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/ncaa-rejects-permanent-12th-game-in-fcs-041417

[catamount man]

I was kinda hoping for it but oh well. GO CATS!!!

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Hope it goes thru.

7 regular season home games would be awesome some years.

[kdinva]

Hearing the vote was 8 to 5

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20170414130421694952504

[Ivytalk]

No

Yes

No
I see what you did there!xnodx

[BEAR]

Two a days are gone too.

[WestCoastAggie]

Two a days are gone too.

That makes sense. It's really not needed now since most teams keep their kids on campus most of the summer. They should next give teams a longer time for Fall practice. Make it start 4 weeks before their first game.

[POD Knows]

Hope it goes thru.

7 regular season home games would be awesome some years.

7 regular home games and 3 home playoff games, that is a lot of home games.

[TheKingpin28]

7 regular home games and 3 home playoff games, that is a lot of home games.

But but but the tailgating...

[POD Knows]

But but but the tailgating...

****, I lost my head for a minute.

[ASU33]

Two a days are gone too.

Two a days have been scaled down since in was playing 10 years ago. Even the days that we had them, one session was shorts and helmets with the evening session being the full pads. Nothing like the 2 and 3 a day practices in full pads my dad went through in college.

[TheKingpin28]

****, I lost my head for a minute.

That's what I am hear for. We go for the beer, camaraderie, and Bisonoline's cooking and stay for the football.