MVFC 2017- Brought to you by Casey's Pizza

[ST_Lawson]

Next best pizza.....#1 with college students...

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10 for $10 deals all day...tasted like crap on cardboard, but if you don't have any money, you eat what you gotta eat.

[cx500d]

yep...

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10 for $10 deals all day...tasted like crap on cardboard, but if you don't have any money, you eat what you gotta eat.

[BisonFan02]

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[ST_Lawson]

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I was going to say...who the hell eats only 6 pizza rolls? If you're eating pizza rolls, you know you're just going to eat the whole damn package.

[TheKingpin28]

yep...

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This guy gets it

[TheKingpin28]

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BisonFan02 again.

kekzozzle

[ST_Lawson]

yep...

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Top Ramen...even cheaper. Find it on sale for $1 for a "flat" of 10. If you're feeling particularly creative, toss in an egg near the end of cooking for gourmet egg drop soup ;)

[JayJ79]

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"Our delicious barbeque chicken & bacon specialty pizza is topped with GRILLED ALL-WHITE CHILDREN..."

[cx500d]

Looks like something 88 would eat...



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"Our delicious barbeque chicken & bacon specialty pizza is topped with GRILLED ALL-WHITE CHILDREN..."

[Schism55]

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"Our delicious barbeque chicken & bacon specialty pizza is topped with GRILLED ALL-WHITE CHILDREN..."
Mmmm childrens xrotatehx

[POD Knows]

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"Our delicious barbeque chicken & bacon specialty pizza is topped with GRILLED ALL-WHITE CHILDREN..."Children are the veal of human flesh, as it were.

[ST_Lawson]

Children are the veal of human flesh, as it were.

Fed on milk and honey....so tender.

[caribbeanhen]

10 for $10 deals all day...tasted like crap on cardboard, but if you don't have any money, you eat what you gotta eat.

Chinese Monsanto food..... yum yum rubbin my tum

[GodHelpTheBears]

Chinese Monsanto food..... yum yum rubbin my tum

The beautiful thing about going to school in Springfield, MO was that if we had a little extra coin after purchasing the case of Hamm's, we'd go get a cashew chicken special at Canton Inn. With the student discount, it was around $4.

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In other words, we'd go from eating cheap, super-high sodium ripoff Chinese food to...restaurant-cooked, somewhat less cheap super-high sodium ripoff Chinese food. What you see in the picture above is the sum total of Ozarks cuisine.

It is goddamn delicious.

[TheKingpin28]

The beautiful thing about going to school in Springfield, MO was that if we had a little extra coin after purchasing the case of Hamm's, we'd go get a cashew chicken special at Canton Inn. With the student discount, it was around $4.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25091&stc=1

In other words, we'd go from eating cheap, super-high sodium ripoff Chinese food to...restaurant-cooked, somewhat less cheap super-high sodium ripoff Chinese food. What you see in the picture above is the sum total of Ozarks cuisine.

It is goddamn delicious.

Now that looks good! I worked at Panda Express in Fargo at NDSU for 2 years and I know super-high sodium ripoff Chinese food when I see it. This looks nothing like the food I made.

[caribbeanhen]

Now that looks good! I worked at Panda Express in Fargo at NDSU for 2 years and I know super-high sodium ripoff Chinese food when I see it. This looks nothing like the food I made.

MSG city

[BisonFan02]

"Ewwwwww....salty"

-AG1

[TheKingpin28]

MSG city

We actually used no MSG in any of our foods. I can attest to it since I did the ordering and ran the kitchen.

[BisonFan02]

Breakfast pizza sucks. Its not even pizza.

Post #324 for Kingpin and his horrible pizza habits. :D

[TheKingpin28]

Post #324 for Kingpin and his horrible pizza habits. :D

I was not doubting you, just letting you know that you are fallible, that is all.

[citdog]

Children are the veal of human flesh, as it were.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHGPixsRWBw

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Could be the best LB trio in the conference:

DeLuca
Cox
Plank

[dewey]

Could be the best LB trio in the conference:

DeLuca
Cox
Plank

It will be interesting to see if Cox can beat out Board for that OLB spot.

Dewey

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

It will be interesting to see if Cox can beat out Board for that OLB spot.

Dewey


With the way the coaches have been talking about how fast and athletic he is, I think he will start. Could be wrong.

[GodHelpTheBears]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHGPixsRWBw

My workplace had a food day yesterday...within a day of the sign up sheet being posted, FOUR people made "long pig" jokes.

IT departments, I'm tellin' ya...

[Thumper 76]

Could be the best LB trio in the conference:

DeLuca
Cox
Plank

Sounds like the name of a porn star

[Bison56]

It will be interesting to see if Cox can beat out Board for that OLB spot.

Dewey

When Board came in I thought he was going to be a great safety, funny how things work out.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Getting closer to Sept 2: My mid-summer thoughts on the Valley standings in '17:

1. NDSU
2. SDSU
3. Ill State
4. USD
5. WIU
6. UNI
7. YSU
8. SIU
9. MSU
10. MSU

[cx500d]

Getting closer to Sept 2: My mid-summer thoughts on the Valley standings in '17:

1. NDSU
2. SDSU
3. Ill State
4. USD
5. WIU
6. UNI
7. YSU
8. SIU
9. MSU
10. MSU


MSU is so bad you had to put them down twice for the cellar? That's quite a fall for YSU....

[TheKingpin28]

Getting closer to Sept 2: My mid-summer thoughts on the Valley standings in '17:

1. NDSU
2. SDSU
3. Ill State
4. USD
5. WIU
6. UNI
7. YSU
8. SIU
9. MSU
10. MSU

ISUb must be that bad to not even place in the Valley. Shipping them off to D2 or another conference? xlolx

[TheKingpin28]

MSU is so bad you had to put them down twice for the cellar? That's quite a fall for YSU....

Damn, I did not even see you post this.

[cx500d]

ISUb must be that bad to not even place in the Valley. Shipping them off to D2 or another conference? xlolx


Good point, but MSU would be better served going to D2...Unfortunately they wouldn't even be the top ranked D2 team in their state. ISUb? They have beaten us before, so they may not be a lost cause. We shall see what happens to all the Illinois teams as their state finances get dragged down further by their successful "budget" that doesn't do anything to address their problems.

[caribbeanhen]

Good point, but MSU would be better served going to D2...Unfortunately they wouldn't even be the top ranked D2 team in their state. ISUb? They have beaten us before, so they may not be a lost cause. We shall see what happens to all the Illinois teams as their state finances get dragged down further by their successful "budget" that doesn't do anything to address their problems.

maybe we can get them a game with Rhode Island.... good start to the CAA vs MVFC FCS opening day match up bracket

[POD Knows]

maybe we can get them a game with Rhode Island.... good start to the CAA vs MVFC FCS opening day match up bracket
MSU would kill Rhode Island.

[TheKingpin28]

Good point, but MSU would be better served going to D2...Unfortunately they wouldn't even be the top ranked D2 team in their state. ISUb? They have beaten us before, so they may not be a lost cause. We shall see what happens to all the Illinois teams as their state finances get dragged down further by their successful "budget" that doesn't do anything to address their problems.

MSU has beat the Bison as well and almost kept them out of the 2010 playoffs. Also, ISUb is in Indiana so they do not have financial troubles, but the Sycamores and football have been atrocious up until recently. IMO, WIU would be the first team to drop their football team due to budget cuts, but losing a "Summit member" would hurt the voting bloc and give more power to the "Valley member" bloc.

[TheKingpin28]

MSU would kill Rhode Island.

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[GodHelpTheBears]

Oddly, the talk from the 3-4 people in town who care about MSU football think this will be a breakthrough year. They are expecting six wins, and think we have an outside shot at the playoffs.

They are a year, probably two years early in making this call.

We're soft in places you can't be soft at in this conference. We're breaking in a new QB. Our offensive line was horrific last year, we lost an all-conference performer there, and I don't expect redshirt freshmen to clean up the mess. They may have the quality, but they are very green. I like our edge rushers, but have doubts about the interior of our defensive line. Our secondary is inconsistent - athletically gifted, but they seem to lack the fundamentals given the 800 billion broken plays against us the last two years.

Add all of that to a tougher schedule this year (goodbye crappy NAIA program, hello Big Sky champs), and I'd be happy if we got back to 4-7 this year.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

MSU is so bad you had to put them down twice for the cellar? That's quite a fall for YSU....



xthumbsupx

Ind State is #10.

YSU loses a ton from last year, esp on defense.

[caribbeanhen]

MSU would kill Rhode Island.

that's why the FCS should match up the CAA vs the MFVC to start the season, you cant sleep on the Rhode

[BisonTru]

Getting closer to Sept 2: My mid-summer thoughts on the Valley standings in '17:

1. NDSU
2. SDSU
3. Ill State
4. USD
5. WIU
6. UNI
7. YSU
8. SIU
9. MSU
10. MSU

Swap USD and YSU and I like it. As much as I'm not a fan of Bo and his inability to act like an adult, he usually always puts together a decent team. Even at UN he always was around respectfully good.

I just don't think USD has the talent to be in the top 4. JMNHO.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Swap USD and YSU and I like it. As much as I'm not a fan of Bo and his inability to act like an adult, he usually always puts together a decent team. Even at UN he always was around respectfully good.

I just don't think USD has the talent to be in the top 4. JMNHO.




After NDSU and SDSU there is a big drop off IMO. Ill State will be good, but how good? Most of the other Valley teams are still a work in progress UNI always has talent but I think it will take them some time to figure out their identity.

USD has had a couple of good recruiting classes but their defense was not good last year. NDSU ran all over them last year and I suspect teams will make them stop their run game....although with how prevalent the spread is, that might not matter.

NDSU - SDSU - Ill State will finish at the top IMO. Stick needs to play a lot better this year. Hopefully his passing accuracy and completion % goes up.


The Bison defense is going to be really good and deep this year. DL is loaded and that will help the pass coverage. I'll be surprised if they are not 11-0 or 10-1.

[BisonFan02]

SDSU will win the Valley this year. Book it.

[TheKingpin28]

SDSU will win the Valley this year. #Bookit.

FYP, oh and do you mean outright?

[BisonFan02]

FYP, oh and do you mean outright?

sure

[GodHelpTheBears]

The most encouraging performance I saw last year was against NDSU. Offense was Keystone Kops, but our defense held up against your guys...for three quarters. I know that's a common outcome against NDSU, but we were all expecting a bloodbath on the level of 84-3.

If nothing else, that game showed us Stec's teaching and principles can work. We saw glimpses of it, just not enough depth to follow through, which led to the November collapse.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

SDSU will win the Valley this year. Book it.


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A hundo that doesn't happen....:D

[TheKingpin28]

sure


Are you?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

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[TheKingpin28]

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He is creating a gif for the response or working on his golf game.

[BisonFan02]

02??:

Bueller........................................... ..Bueller..................................Bueller ..................................



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no xlolx

[BisonFan02]

He is creating a gif for the response or working on his golf game.

I'm done golfing for the year.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I'm done golfing for the year.



From reading the golf thread, sounds like POD to you to the woodshed in your golfing....xlolx:D

[TheKingpin28]

I'm done golfing for the year.

No! I need one round with you and POD. You can't do this to me!


From reading the golf thread, sounds like POD to you to the woodshed in your golfing....xlolx:D

Shots fired...

[ysubigred]

xthumbsupx

Ind State is #10.

YSU loses a ton from last year, esp on defense.

I doubt YSU win's 3 games this year. All the talent we lost xrolleyesx

[ST_Lawson]

Also, ISUb is in Indiana so they do not have financial troubles, but the Sycamores and football have been atrocious up until recently. IMO, WIU would be the first team to drop their football team due to budget cuts, but losing a "Summit member" would hurt the voting bloc and give more power to the "Valley member" bloc.

That's pretty unlikely to happen. We're actually doing pretty well considering all we've been through. I think you're more likely to see ISUb drop their football team and go "all-in" on basketball than see Western drop football. We'd also be more likely to drop a few other sports before football if we had to, but I don't think we'll need to in the near future.

[mango433]

I'm done golfing for the year.

It's July, how are you done golfing for the year?

[POD Knows]

It's July, how are you done golfing for the year?He has the golf yips with all of his clubs.

[BisonFan02]

It's July, how are you done golfing for the year?

It happens. xlolx

[TheKingpin28]

That's pretty unlikely to happen. We're actually doing pretty well considering all we've been through. I think you're more likely to see ISUb drop their football team and go "all-in" on basketball than see Western drop football. We'd also be more likely to drop a few other sports before football if we had to, but I don't think we'll need to in the near future.

Even with the lottery being shut down? I just do not see Springfield funding multiple colleges when there is such a shortfall. I guess we see it different ways and I want no one to drop football, but if the money is not there then football is usually one of the first to go.

[clenz]

Even with the lottery being shut down? I just do not see Springfield funding multiple colleges when there is such a shortfall. I guess we see it different ways and I want no one to drop football, but if the money is not there then football is usually one of the first to go.
WIU drops football goes Horizon


Murray State goes MVC/MVFC


Done

[BisonFan02]

WIU drops football goes Horizon


Murray State goes Summit/MVFC


Done

FIFY

[ysubigred]

WIU drops football goes Horizon


Murray State goes MVC/MVFC




Done


xrolleyesx Shorter drive and nicer fans xsmiley_wix

[clenz]

FIFY
Murray State isn't flying volleyball to ****ing Grand Forks, Denver, Fargo, Brookings, etc...

Murray State, during the whole process over the summer, talked at length about being with like minded insitutions from an academic and athletic stand point. Their president, and AD, both specifically singled out UNI has a "Athletic department and university we need to model after" and later on said that the MVC has many other institutions matching their long term goals.

The rotating door of UMKC, Indiana schools, Denver, ORU, etc... isn't exactly what they are looking for from what I can judge.

[BisonFan02]

Murray State isn't flying volleyball to ****ing Grand Forks, Denver, Fargo, Brookings, etc...

Murray State, during the whole process over the summer, talked at length about being with like minded insitutions from an academic and athletic stand point. Their president, and AD, both specifically singled out UNI has a "Athletic department and university we need to model after" and later on said that the MVC has many other institutions matching their long term goals.

The rotating door of UMKC, Indiana schools, Denver, ORU, etc... isn't exactly what they are looking for from what I can judge.

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Just remember clenzy.....keep poking the Summit and **** will go down.

[clenz]

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Just remember clenzy.....keep poking the Summit and **** will go down.
Months later and you have yet to give me any potential make up for the Summit League with football.

Please, enlighten me.

[TheKingpin28]

WIU drops football goes Horizon


Murray State goes MVC/MVFC


Done

But can we get rid of YSU? The footprint would help so much.

The problem is, WIU is a founding member and I doubt they leave The Summit.

[clenz]

But can we get rid of YSU? The footprint would help so much.

The problem is, WIU is a founding member and I doubt they leave The Summit.
If the Summit expands to New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, etc... to try to keep things afloat - coupled with IPFW getting their imminent HL invite - there's now way WIU sticks around if the HL or OVC comes calling.

I've mostly been a proponent of YSU going else where, but they can stick around for a while. It's fine. Especially if WIU ends up HL. Having YSU and WIU still a thing makes sense.

[Thumper 76]

Murray State isn't flying volleyball to ****ing Grand Forks, Denver, Fargo, Brookings, etc...

Murray State, during the whole process over the summer, talked at length about being with like minded insitutions from an academic and athletic stand point. Their president, and AD, both specifically singled out UNI has a "Athletic department and university we need to model after" and later on said that the MVC has many other institutions matching their long term goals.

The rotating door of UMKC, Indiana schools, Denver, ORU, etc... isn't exactly what they are looking for from what I can judge.
Of course they aren't flying to Brookings, nobody is. They would fly to Sioux Falls and bus up :D

[BisonFan02]

Of course they aren't flying to Brookings, nobody is. They would fly to Sioux Falls and bus up :D

xlolx

[ST_Lawson]

Even with the lottery being shut down? I just do not see Springfield funding multiple colleges when there is such a shortfall. I guess we see it different ways and I want no one to drop football, but if the money is not there then football is usually one of the first to go.

The lottery was put on hold for a week...essentially just until the budget was passed because they wouldn't be able to pay winners. It's up and running again now.
In the approved budget WIU will get more money from the state than we've had either of the last two years.

[BisonFan02]

Months later and you have yet to give me any potential make up for the Summit League with football.

Please, enlighten me.

I've posted my all sports Summit League a hundred times by now. xlolx The point is....the ND schools are going to be forced to figure something out if the non-football sports are in constant limbo. Same goes for Douple and the Summit....likely with said ND school's direction.

[Yote 53]

I've posted my all sports Summit League a hundred times by now. xlolx The point is....the ND schools are going to be forced to figure something out if the non-football sports are in constant limbo. Same goes for Douple and the Summit....likely with said ND school's direction.

And South Dakota schools.

[TheKingpin28]

The lottery was put on hold for a week...essentially just until the budget was passed because they wouldn't be able to pay winners. It's up and running again now.
In the approved budget WIU will get more money from the state than we've had either of the last two years.

Even with the fact that there is no money? I have no ill feelings toward WIU, I just do not understand how Illinois can fund as many colleges and universities as they do and not make cuts somewhere? Good to know that your funding increased, but cuts need to be made somewhere.

NDUS is having the same problem. 11 colleges and universities is too many for us.

[TheKingpin28]

If the Summit expands to New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, etc... to try to keep things afloat - coupled with IPFW getting their imminent HL invite - there's now way WIU sticks around if the HL or OVC comes calling.

I've mostly been a proponent of YSU going else where, but they can stick around for a while. It's fine. Especially if WIU ends up HL. Having YSU and WIU still a thing makes sense.

If both leave and Murray comes aboard, it still does not work out perfectly.

XDSUs
UXDs
Murray State
UNI
ISUr
ISUb
Missery State
SIU

One school would still need to leave and there would be no love lost if it was UND. Otherwise, kick Murray to the curb and it works out perfectly.

[clenz]

Even with the fact that there is no money? I have no ill feelings toward WIU, I just do not understand how Illinois can fund as many colleges and universities as they do and not make cuts somewhere? Good to know that your funding increased, but cuts need to be made somewhere.

NDUS is having the same problem. 11 colleges and universities is too many for us.
Iowa has 3 with 3 times the population of North Dakota.

Now, we have like 60 more private, for profit and CCs but only 3 state funded schools.


EDIT.

Technically 5 Iowa BOR schools

Iowa, Iowa State, UNI, Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, Iowa school for the Deaf

3 Public universities
19 public 2 year colleges (not BOR controlled)
33 private institutions
8 private for profit schools - 5 of them are Kaplan locations. One I wouldn't have guess was for profit. I would have thought was just a "normal" private school - in a conference with a handful of ND and SD schools - Jamestown, Dakota State, Dickinson State, Mayville State, Presentation College, Valley City State


How the **** is Waldorf "for profit" The school has 580 as an enrollment. I have 2 high schools in my town larger than that - one of which is 4 times the size.

[ST_Lawson]

Even with the fact that there is no money? I have no ill feelings toward WIU, I just do not understand how Illinois can fund as many colleges and universities as they do and not make cuts somewhere? Good to know that your funding increased, but cuts need to be made somewhere.

NDUS is having the same problem. 11 colleges and universities is too many for us.

They did make cuts, 10% cuts nearly across the board for most state institutions. So, we're at 90% of what we were funded in the last actual budget (three years ago), but still higher than the 80% we ended up getting two years ago and the 50% we got last year.

I agree that some cuts need to be made, although outside of the state pension issue, Illinois actually spends pretty reasonably per capita and for what they get (we're actually below the national average on spending per capita). The pension liability is the big thing, which I hope they address soon as well. The approval of the budget is like applying a tourniquet to someone who is bleeding severely. The major bleeding has been stopped, but we still need to fix the immediate injury (backlog of bills from the budget crisis) and fix/prevent the underlying cause of the issue (getting the pension fund back to where it needs to be and prevent lawmakers from stealing more money from it. There's not really going to be one magic solution (the approved budget sure isn't), but a multitude of smaller fixes, solutions, cutbacks, etc.

I know you mentioned that ND has an issue with too many colleges and universities, but just to run some numbers...

Illinois has just under 17 times the population of North Dakota.
We have essentially 13 public 4-year universities (if you include the two SIU campuses, the three U of I campuses, and the two WIU campuses)
ND has 6, I think (NDSU, UND, Minot State, Valley City State, Mayville State, Dickinson State), so if my numbers are correct, we have slightly more than twice the number there.
Community Colleges - Illinois has 48, ND (if you don't include any of the tribal colleges, of which some are listed on wikipedia as "public", but I don't technically know if they're state supported, so I'm leaving them out) has 5.
So for community colleges, if my numbers are correct, Illinois has 9.6 times the number of community colleges.

If ND had the same number of higher ed institutions as Illinois per capita, you'd have one university and three community colleges, so I'd say we're actually not too far off from where we need to be based on our population. I do think there's opportunities for consolidation in some places though...combine some of the community colleges into regional districts with just one administrative office (they have in a few places, but could do it more), maybe figure out a way to consolidate the universities in the Chicago area down to two, etc.

With all the things they could do around the state, and with all the things that we have done here locally to address our own funding shortfalls, I still don't see football being cut any time in the near future.

[BisonFan02]

And South Dakota schools.

Yeah...meant to include you guys. Should just read as "Dakota Schools".

[TheKingpin28]

Iowa has 3 with 3 times the population of North Dakota.

Now, we have like 60 more private, for profit and CCs but only 3 state funded schools.


EDIT.

Technically 5 Iowa BOR schools

Iowa, Iowa State, UNI, Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, Iowa school for the Deaf

3 Public universities
19 public 2 year colleges (not BOR controlled)
33 private institutions
8 private for profit schools - 5 of them are Kaplan locations. One I wouldn't have guess was for profit. I would have thought was just a "normal" private school - in a conference with a handful of ND and SD schools - Jamestown, Dakota State, Dickinson State, Mayville State, Presentation College, Valley City State


How the **** is Waldorf "for profit" The school has 580 as an enrollment. I have 2 high schools in my town larger than that - one of which is 4 times the size.

NDUS could easily get rid Mayville State, Dakota College Botineau, Valley City State, and Williston/Dickson State. Getting rid of 4 schools and down to 7 and it would at least be a step in the right direction.

[TheKingpin28]

They did make cuts, 10% cuts nearly across the board for most state institutions. So, we're at 90% of what we were funded in the last actual budget (three years ago), but still higher than the 80% we ended up getting two years ago and the 50% we got last year.

I agree that some cuts need to be made, although outside of the state pension issue, Illinois actually spends pretty reasonably per capita and for what they get (we're actually below the national average on spending per capita). The pension liability is the big thing, which I hope they address soon as well. The approval of the budget is like applying a tourniquet to someone who is bleeding severely. The major bleeding has been stopped, but we still need to fix the immediate injury (backlog of bills from the budget crisis) and fix/prevent the underlying cause of the issue (getting the pension fund back to where it needs to be and prevent lawmakers from stealing more money from it. There's not really going to be one magic solution (the approved budget sure isn't), but a multitude of smaller fixes, solutions, cutbacks, etc.

I know you mentioned that ND has an issue with too many colleges and universities, but just to run some numbers...

Illinois has just under 17 times the population of North Dakota.
We have essentially 13 public 4-year universities (if you include the two SIU campuses, the three U of I campuses, and the two WIU campuses)
ND has 6, I think (NDSU, UND, Minot State, Valley City State, Mayville State, Dickinson State), so if my numbers are correct, we have slightly more than twice the number there.
Community Colleges - Illinois has 48, ND (if you don't include any of the tribal colleges, of which some are listed on wikipedia as "public", but I don't technically know if they're state supported, so I'm leaving them out) has 5.
So for community colleges, if my numbers are correct, Illinois has 9.6 times the number of community colleges.

If ND had the same number of higher ed institutions as Illinois per capita, you'd have one university and three community colleges, so I'd say we're actually not too far off from where we need to be based on our population. I do think there's opportunities for consolidation in some places though...combine some of the community colleges into regional districts with just one administrative office (they have in a few places, but could do it more), maybe figure out a way to consolidate the universities in the Chicago area down to two, etc.

With all the things they could do around the state, and with all the things that we have done here locally to address our own funding shortfalls, I still don't see football being cut any time in the near future.

Until the budget and pension gets under control Illinois has some bigger issues to handle. I already addressed what I think NDUS should do, but that is just me.

[ST_Lawson]

Until the budget and pension gets under control Illinois has some bigger issues to handle. I already addressed what I think NDUS should do, but that is just me.

And what I'm saying is that the budget is under control. The budget is now balanced, it's actually a good chunk lower than the budget that was proposed by the republican governor earlier this year. Yes, they do need to address the pension issue. I've got my "what I think they should do" list...I don't know what they will do...but they do have to do something. It's unsustainable because of lawmakers stealing money from the pension fund for years to pay for other things. Wouldn't have been a problem if they'd just kept up their end of the bargain in the first place. But as it stands now, yes, they do need to address that.

[TheKingpin28]

And what I'm saying is that the budget is under control. The budget is now balanced, it's actually a good chunk lower than the budget that was proposed by the republican governor earlier this year. Yes, they do need to address the pension issue. I've got my "what I think they should do" list...I don't know what they will do...but they do have to do something. It's unsustainable because of lawmakers stealing money from the pension fund for years to pay for other things. Wouldn't have been a problem if they'd just kept up their end of the bargain in the first place. But as it stands now, yes, they do need to address that.

First thing is first, they need to cut entitlements and affirmative action programs. Once they do that, they open up a significant amount of funds. Next, lower the tax threshold to allow people to have funds so they can spend their money and then tax them at the register. With the funds they get from these two alone, the can raise the pension fund while also boosting the economy.

[ST_Lawson]

First thing is first, they need to cut entitlements and affirmative action programs. Once they do that, they open up a significant amount of funds. Next, lower the tax threshold to allow people to have funds so they can spend their money and then tax them at the register. With the funds they get from these two alone, the can raise the pension fund while also boosting the economy.

Personally, I think they need to tax the pensions....either going in or coming out. Illinois is one of the only states where it's pension is not taxed at all. Do a graduated tax on money coming out (so we're not hitting people who are at like 30k a year or something) and put that money right back into the pension fund. Nearly every other retirement fund/savings gets taxed (401k/403b, IRAs, etc.) but not Illinois. Plus, it's something that would only hit people who actually use it (I'm included in that, just fyi) rather than an across-the-board tax hike.

Sorry if this is getting too political for a non-political board. I'll try to get back to football.
Western cutting football is one of the least likely things that we would do to save money at this point. Barring a complete restructuring of the entire higher ed system in Illinois, I just don't see it happening.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I doubt YSU win's 3 games this year. All the talent we lost xrolleyesx


YSU takes a big fall this year.

[ytownchief22]

YSU takes a big fall this year.


;)

[Professor Chaos]

I'll throw a blind dart... why not...


1. NDSU - 11-0 (8-0) - Yeah I'm a homer but I really feel like this team has the talent to rival the all-time 2013 team.... whether that translates to the field we'll see.

2. SDSU - 9-2 (6-2) - Losses to NDSU and USD - I'm going to predict another regular season ending letdown for SDSU losing in Vermillion, but they still get their highest playoff seed in school history.

3. Illinois St - 8-3 (5-3) - Losses to YSU, SDSU, and NDSU - They finish the season with SDSU and NDSU so they end up sliding out of the seeds with two losses to end the season but still are comfortably in the playoff field.

4. USD - 7-4 (5-3) - Losses to Bowling Green, Illinois St, UNI, and NDSU - I think the Coyotes make the playoffs for the first time in their D1 history.

5. YSU - 6-5 (4-4) - Losses to Pitt, SDSU, NDSU, USD, and SIU - Don't ask me why they'll lose to SIU, I just think with such an inexperienced team they'll drop a head scratcher that ruins their playoff chances.

6. UNI - 5-6 (4-4) - Wins against SUU, WIU, USD, Missouri St, and Indiana St - It's another down year for UNI but they're still talented enough to beat good teams yet inconsistent enough to lose to a team like SIU.

7. SIU - 5-6 (3-5) - Wins against MVSU, SEMO, YSU, UNI, and Indiana St - I'm predicting a maddeningly inconsistent season from SIU with a lot of shootouts; some resulting in great wins and others resulting in bad losses.

8. WIU - 4-7 (3-5) - Wins against Tennessee Tech, Indiana St, SIU, and Missouri St - Last year they lived on the edge and stayed afloat winning close games, this year they don't and fall to 2-7 before winning their last 2.

9. Missouri St - 3-8 (2-6) - Wins against Murray St, SIU, and Indiana St - I don't think they'll be *that* bad but when they lose the guy who was their defense (Dylan Cole) I don't see them being able to stop anyone in crunch time.

10. Indiana St - 0-11 (0-8) - Someone has to be the doormat and I think the Sycs descend back to that spot this year.


I've always been horrible in the MVFC pickem so if anyone wants to argue with my thoughts here you're likely right.

[GodHelpTheBears]

I agree with the record you set for MSU, but disagree slightly with your defensive point. We have an all conference DE (Colby Isbell) and a true sophomore LB (McNeece Egbim) who was honorable mention. Our defense still won't be great, but I think improved depth and returning many starters will help with consistency, especially in November.

[ysubigred]

I'll throw a blind dart... why not...


1. NDSU - 11-0 (8-0) - Yeah I'm a homer but I really feel like this team has the talent to rival the all-time 2013 team.... whether that translates to the field we'll see.

2. SDSU - 9-2 (6-2) - Losses to NDSU and USD - I'm going to predict another regular season ending letdown for SDSU losing in Vermillion, but they still get their highest playoff seed in school history.

3. Illinois St - 8-3 (5-3) - Losses to YSU, SDSU, and NDSU - They finish the season with SDSU and NDSU so they end up sliding out of the seeds with two losses to end the season but still are comfortably in the playoff field.

4. USD - 7-4 (5-3) - Losses to Bowling Green, Illinois St, UNI, and NDSU - I think the Coyotes make the playoffs for the first time in their D1 history.

5. YSU - 6-5 (4-4) - Losses to Pitt, SDSU, NDSU, USD, and SIU - Don't ask me why they'll lose to SIU, I just think with such an inexperienced team they'll drop a head scratcher that ruins their playoff chances.

6. UNI - 5-6 (4-4) - Wins against SUU, WIU, USD, Missouri St, and Indiana St - It's another down year for UNI but they're still talented enough to beat good teams yet inconsistent enough to lose to a team like SIU.

7. SIU - 5-6 (3-5) - Wins against MVSU, SEMO, YSU, UNI, and Indiana St - I'm predicting a maddeningly inconsistent season from SIU with a lot of shootouts; some resulting in great wins and others resulting in bad losses.

8. WIU - 4-7 (3-5) - Wins against Tennessee Tech, Indiana St, SIU, and Missouri St - Last year they lived on the edge and stayed afloat winning close games, this year they don't and fall to 2-7 before winning their last 2.

9. Missouri St - 3-8 (2-6) - Wins against Murray St, SIU, and Indiana St - I don't think they'll be *that* bad but when they lose the guy who was their defense (Dylan Cole) I don't see them being able to stop anyone in crunch time.

10. Indiana St - 0-11 (0-8) - Someone has to be the doormat and I think the Sycs descend back to that spot this year.


I've always been horrible in the MVFC pickem so if anyone wants to argue with my thoughts here you're likely right.

NDSU 9-2

ISU r 6-5

USD 5-6

YSU 8-3

WIU 7-4

Book it!

[ST_Lawson]

NDSU 9-2

ISU r 6-5

USD 5-6

YSU 8-3

WIU 7-4

Book it!

I was going to post my predictions, but I see you've already done that for me.

Specifically for Western: I think we beat Tennessee Tech, then either Norther Arizona or Coastal Carolina, but probably not both...2-1 in OOC.

In conference, we beat USD at home for our Homecoming, UNI is a tossup (a win if it was at our place), Missouri State here in Macomb is a win, at NDSU is a loss (hopefully not another blowout like two years ago), South Dakota State back here is a loss, at Illinois State is a tossup (rivalry game...100th all-time meeting), at Indiana State is a win and SIU back home is a win.

W: USD, MSU, @ISUb, and SIU
L: @NDSU and SDSU
Win one of @UNI or @ISUr, but probably not both (if I had to guess, I'd say UNI, but both should be close tough games)
5-3 in-conference

Total of 7-4 and we're probably back in the playoffs

[Thumper 76]

I was going to post my predictions, but I see you've already done that for me.

Specifically for Western: I think we beat Tennessee Tech, then either Norther Arizona or Coastal Carolina, but probably not both...2-1 in OOC.

In conference, we beat USD at home for our Homecoming, UNI is a tossup (a win if it was at our place), Missouri State here in Macomb is a win, at NDSU is a loss (hopefully not another blowout like two years ago), South Dakota State back here is a loss, at Illinois State is a tossup (rivalry game...100th all-time meeting), at Indiana State is a win and SIU back home is a win.

W: USD, MSU, @ISUb, and SIU
L: @NDSU and SDSU
Win one of @UNI or @ISUr, but probably not both (if I had to guess, I'd say UNI, but both should be close tough games)
5-3 in-conference

Total of 7-4 and we're probably back in the playoffs

That's pretty reasonable. I'd bet on the UNI game being the win though.


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[Redbird 4th & short]

I'll throw a blind dart... why not...


1. NDSU - 11-0 (8-0) - Yeah I'm a homer but I really feel like this team has the talent to rival the all-time 2013 team.... whether that translates to the field we'll see.

2. SDSU - 9-2 (6-2) - Losses to NDSU and USD - I'm going to predict another regular season ending letdown for SDSU losing in Vermillion, but they still get their highest playoff seed in school history.

3. Illinois St - 8-3 (5-3) - Losses to YSU, SDSU, and NDSU - They finish the season with SDSU and NDSU so they end up sliding out of the seeds with two losses to end the season but still are comfortably in the playoff field.

4. USD - 7-4 (5-3) - Losses to Bowling Green, Illinois St, UNI, and NDSU - I think the Coyotes make the playoffs for the first time in their D1 history.

5. YSU - 6-5 (4-4) - Losses to Pitt, SDSU, NDSU, USD, and SIU - Don't ask me why they'll lose to SIU, I just think with such an inexperienced team they'll drop a head scratcher that ruins their playoff chances.

6. UNI - 5-6 (4-4) - Wins against SUU, WIU, USD, Missouri St, and Indiana St - It's another down year for UNI but they're still talented enough to beat good teams yet inconsistent enough to lose to a team like SIU.

7. SIU - 5-6 (3-5) - Wins against MVSU, SEMO, YSU, UNI, and Indiana St - I'm predicting a maddeningly inconsistent season from SIU with a lot of shootouts; some resulting in great wins and others resulting in bad losses.

8. WIU - 4-7 (3-5) - Wins against Tennessee Tech, Indiana St, SIU, and Missouri St - Last year they lived on the edge and stayed afloat winning close games, this year they don't and fall to 2-7 before winning their last 2.

9. Missouri St - 3-8 (2-6) - Wins against Murray St, SIU, and Indiana St - I don't think they'll be *that* bad but when they lose the guy who was their defense (Dylan Cole) I don't see them being able to stop anyone in crunch time.

10. Indiana St - 0-11 (0-8) - Someone has to be the doormat and I think the Sycs descend back to that spot this year.


I've always been horrible in the MVFC pickem so if anyone wants to argue with my thoughts here you're likely right.

I give SDSU slight edge over NDSU given the round robin of top 3 team has SDSU at home both games against NDSU and ISUr; while NDSU plays both on road .. we of course split with SDSU on road and NDSU at home.

Not sure USD is ready for 4th place .. but this is the year to do it with UNI and YSU both expecting down years. From there, I just can't see both UNI and YSU finishing above both WIU and SIU .. i would almost flip those 4. I favor UNI over YSU just because YSU lost a lot of studs. SIU surprised me last year and thinking they will surprise further this year .. betting they got real mojo on their side with new young coach. We'll see if 2nd year coach WIU has similar impact.

I'v been very vocal advocate of MVFC top to bottom on redbird forum .. but this year the top doesn't seem as clearly dominant after NDSU and SDSU compared to prior years when YSU and UNI looked strong. But I do think my ISUr will emerge as a very strong 3rd place team and possible top 8 seed when dust settles. We admittedly have a lot riding on us replacing 4 of 5 OL, but we feel very good with every other position group.

[caribbeanhen]

sounds like the MVFC has seen better days, down, sun setting, you guys had a good run but it looks like it's over sad eyes

[cx500d]

sounds like the MVFC has seen better days, down, sun setting, you guys had a good run but it looks like it's over sad eyes

If we could cut the deadweights in the east....Sounds like the old North Central Conference...

[TheKingpin28]

If we could cut the deadweights in the east....Sounds like the old North Central Conference...

Where is BF02 when you need someone to type #SummitLeagueFootball

[GodHelpTheBears]

You'll know it's a down year when we get 6-7 wins

[BisonFan02]

Where is BF02 when you need someone to type #SummitLeagueFootball

Charter membersThe North Central Conference began in 1921 with nine charter members:


Institution
Location
Nickname
Founded
Type
Enrollment
Joined
Left
Current Conference


Creighton University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creighton_University)

Omaha, Nebraska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha,_Nebraska)

Bluejays (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creighton_Bluejays)

1878
Private (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_university)
(Catholic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_university))

6,716
1921
1928
Big East (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_East_Conference)



Des Moines University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Moines_College)
Des Moines, Iowa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Moines,_Iowa)
Tigers
1864
Private
(Baptist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptists))
330[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Central_Conference#cite_note-5)
1921
1926
Closed in 1929


Morningside College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morningside_College)
Sioux City, Iowa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sioux_City,_Iowa)
Mustangs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morningside_Mustangs)
1894
Private
(Methodist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methodism))
1,149
1921
2002
GPAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plains_Athletic_Conference) (NAIA)


Nebraska Wesleyan University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Wesleyan_University)

Lincoln, Nebraska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln,_Nebraska)
Prairie Wolves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Wesleyan_Prairie_Wolves)
1887
Private
(Methodist)
1,601
1921
1926
GPAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plains_Athletic_Conference) (NAIA)


University of North Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Dakota)

Grand Forks, North Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Forks,_North_Dakota)
Fighting Sioux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Dakota_athletics)
1883
Public (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_university)
13,817
1921
2008
Big Sky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sky_Conference)


North Dakota State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota_State_University)

Fargo, North Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo,_North_Dakota)
Bison (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota_State_Bison)
1890
Public
13,229
1921
2004
Summit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Summit_League) (all-sports)
MVFC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Football_Conference) (football)


University of St. Thomas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_St._Thomas_%28Minnesota%29)
St. Paul, Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul,_Minnesota)
Tommies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Thomas_%28Minnesota%29_Tommies)
1885
Private
(Catholic)
10,534
1921
1928
MIAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Conference)


University of South Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_South_Dakota)

Vermillion, South Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermillion,_South_Dakota)
Coyotes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_Coyotes)
1862
Public
8,641
1921
2008
Summit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Summit_League) (all-sports)
MVFC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Football_Conference) (football)


South Dakota State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_State_University)

Brookings, South Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings,_South_Dakota)
Jackrabbits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_State_Jackrabbits)
1881
Public
12,816
1921
2004
Summit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Summit_League) (all-sports)
MVFC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Football_Conference) (football)


Institution
Location
Nickname
Founded
Type
Enrollment
Joined
Left
Current Conference


Augustana College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustana_University)
Sioux Falls, South Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sioux_Falls,_South_Dakota)
Vikings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustana_University_Vikings)
1860
Private
(Lutheran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Lutheran_Church_in_America))
1,650
1941
2008
NSIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sun_Intercollegiate_Conference)


University of Minnesota Duluth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Minnesota_Duluth)
Duluth, Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth,_Minnesota)
Bulldogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota%E2%80%93Duluth_Bulldogs)
1902, 1947
Public
10,497
2004
2008
NSIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sun_Intercollegiate_Conference)


Minnesota State University, Mankato (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_State_University,_Mankato)
Mankato, Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mankato,_Minnesota)
Mavericks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_State_Mavericks)
1868
Public
15,649
1968,
1981
1976,
2008
NSIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sun_Intercollegiate_Conference)


University of Nebraska at Omaha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Nebraska_at_Omaha)

Omaha, Nebraska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha,_Nebraska)
Mavericks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha_Mavericks)
1908
Public
14,093
1934
1976
1946
2008
Summit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Summit_League)


University of Northern Colorado (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Northern_Colorado)

Greeley, Colorado (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeley,_Colorado)
Bears (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Colorado_Bears)
1889
Public
12,392
1978
2003
Big Sky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sky_Conference)


University of Northern Iowa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Northern_Iowa)

Cedar Falls, Iowa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_Falls,_Iowa)
Panthers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Iowa_Panthers)
1876
Public
14,070
1934
1978
Missouri Valley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference)


St. Cloud State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Cloud_State_University)
St. Cloud, Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Cloud,_Minnesota)
Huskies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Cloud_State_Huskies)
1869
Public
17,231
1981
2008
NSIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sun_Intercollegiate_Conference)


Additional membersLooks like a good start to me! :D xlolx

[BisonTru]

My take:

Preface - I haven't studied up a whole bunch on who every lost and is returning. My opinion may change coming closer to the season.

1. South Dakota St - That offense is going to be unreal. There's only four returning first teamers in the conference and all of them are Jackrabbits. I think there's at least 2 possibly 4 future NFL players on just that side of the ball. Defense is the question mark in Brookings.

2. North Dakota St - Just the opposite of the Jackrabbits, it's the defense that will be unreal. Six guys return in the conference from first team honors, 3 of them are Bison. I think there's at least 2 possibly 4 future NFL players on just the defense. I could swap 1 and 2. Offense will be the question for NDSU. Their biggest reload is O line which historically has always been good.

3. Youngstown - They lose two DE to the NFL. So that will take some over coming, but Bo almost always puts together a good defense. Offense will be the question mark. They don't seem to lose as much from that side, but that was their weakness last year as well.

4. Western Ill - They lost Lenior, but it doesn't seem like much else. Their QB is solid. Honestly of the top 4 they seem the most balanced with a decent offense and decent defense. Should be in the mix for a playoff spot.

5. Illinois St - Brock Spack has got a program going. They blew up with Tre and Coprich, but after losing those two they've still always had a respectable squad and Spack has close to as many players in the NFL as anybody in the nation. I could see the Redbirds up into the 3, 4 spots as well. All three are close IMO.

6. Northern Iowa - I am really lost with the Panthers. They lost almost all their coaches. The UNI posters have been waving the white flag for months. I just can't put them any lower until I see it on the field.

7. South Dakota - I just don't see them making the leap into playoff contention. Respectable valley team yes. I just don't see a team coming in that can rival the top half.

8. Missouri St - They were last two years ago. Tied for last but with two wins last year. I'm going to say they keep trending up and don't finish last this year. Congrats bears.

9. Southern Ill - This may be a little low, and maybe I'm a little biased because I don't think the Big Sky speed spread offense is going to work well in the MVFC. I could be completely wrong and their offense gets them enough points to rise higher than this. Time will tell.

10. Indiana St - New coach. Finished last, last year. I think most people are picking the Trees here. The silver lining, we always seem to have a consensus bottom feeder and usually we're all wrong.

1-2: Neck and neck. Brookings is going to be the game of the conference
3-5: Right behind battling for playoff position
6: No idea
7-8: A little behind but not by a lot
9: No idea
10: Just walking, but will eventually finish the race

[TheKingpin28]

Charter members

The North Central Conference began in 1921 with nine charter members:


Institution
Location
Nickname
Founded
Type
Enrollment
Joined
Left
Current Conference


Creighton University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creighton_University)

Omaha, Nebraska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha,_Nebraska)

Bluejays (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creighton_Bluejays)

1878
Private (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_university)
(Catholic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_university))

6,716
1921
1928
Big East (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_East_Conference)



Des Moines University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Moines_College)
Des Moines, Iowa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Moines,_Iowa)
Tigers
1864
Private
(Baptist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptists))
330[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Central_Conference#cite_note-5)
1921
1926
Closed in 1929


Morningside College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morningside_College)
Sioux City, Iowa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sioux_City,_Iowa)
Mustangs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morningside_Mustangs)
1894
Private
(Methodist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methodism))
1,149
1921
2002
GPAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plains_Athletic_Conference) (NAIA)


Nebraska Wesleyan University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Wesleyan_University)
Lincoln, Nebraska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln,_Nebraska)
Prairie Wolves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Wesleyan_Prairie_Wolves)
1887
Private
(Methodist)
1,601
1921
1926
GPAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plains_Athletic_Conference) (NAIA)


University of North Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Dakota)

Grand Forks, North Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Forks,_North_Dakota)
Fighting Sioux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Dakota_athletics)
1883
Public (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_university)
13,817
1921
2008
Big Sky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sky_Conference)


North Dakota State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota_State_University)

Fargo, North Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo,_North_Dakota)
Bison (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota_State_Bison)
1890
Public
13,229
1921
2004
Summit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Summit_League) (all-sports)
MVFC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Football_Conference) (football)


University of St. Thomas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_St._Thomas_%28Minnesota%29)
St. Paul, Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul,_Minnesota)
Tommies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Thomas_%28Minnesota%29_Tommies)
1885
Private
(Catholic)
10,534
1921
1928
MIAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Conference)


University of South Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_South_Dakota)

Vermillion, South Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermillion,_South_Dakota)
Coyotes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_Coyotes)
1862
Public
8,641
1921
2008
Summit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Summit_League) (all-sports)
MVFC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Football_Conference) (football)


South Dakota State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_State_University)

Brookings, South Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings,_South_Dakota)
Jackrabbits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_State_Jackrabbits)
1881
Public
12,816
1921
2004
Summit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Summit_League) (all-sports)
MVFC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Football_Conference) (football)


Institution
Location
Nickname
Founded
Type
Enrollment
Joined
Left
Current Conference


Augustana College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustana_University)
Sioux Falls, South Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sioux_Falls,_South_Dakota)
Vikings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustana_University_Vikings)
1860
Private
(Lutheran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Lutheran_Church_in_America))
1,650
1941
2008
NSIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sun_Intercollegiate_Conference)


University of Minnesota Duluth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Minnesota_Duluth)
Duluth, Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth,_Minnesota)
Bulldogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota%E2%80%93Duluth_Bulldogs)
1902, 1947
Public
10,497
2004
2008
NSIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sun_Intercollegiate_Conference)


Minnesota State University, Mankato (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_State_University,_Mankato)
Mankato, Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mankato,_Minnesota)
Mavericks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_State_Mavericks)
1868
Public
15,649
1968,
1981
1976,
2008
NSIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sun_Intercollegiate_Conference)


University of Nebraska at Omaha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Nebraska_at_Omaha)

Omaha, Nebraska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha,_Nebraska)
Mavericks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha_Mavericks)
1908
Public
14,093
1934
1976
1946
2008
Summit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Summit_League)


University of Northern Colorado (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Northern_Colorado)

Greeley, Colorado (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeley,_Colorado)
Bears (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Colorado_Bears)
1889
Public
12,392
1978
2003
Big Sky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sky_Conference)


University of Northern Iowa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Northern_Iowa)

Cedar Falls, Iowa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_Falls,_Iowa)
Panthers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Iowa_Panthers)
1876
Public
14,070
1934
1978
Missouri Valley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference)


St. Cloud State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Cloud_State_University)
St. Cloud, Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Cloud,_Minnesota)
Huskies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Cloud_State_Huskies)
1869
Public
17,231
1981
2008
NSIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sun_Intercollegiate_Conference)


Additional members

Looks like a good start to me! :D xlolx

#SummitLeagueFootball it is! Just get Murray State and Drake to join and the conference goes to 10 and Football goes to 8. Works out for everyone involved and UNI can stop complaining about being screwed geographically. Every school except UNC would have a travel partner but adding Denver to the mix could help offset that problem. Murray State would be isolated but if they added a non-football travel partner it could work out.

Northwest:
NDSU
UND
SDSU
USD
Denver
UNC

Southeast:
UNI
Creighton
UNO
Murray St
Drake
Non-Football member (Evansville)

EDIT:

I replaced MSU with Drake and then it would be a perfect fit so UNI won't complain about a travel partner.

[TheKingpin28]

#SummitLeagueFootball it is! Just get Murray State and Drake to join and the conference goes to 10 and Football goes to 8. Works out for everyone involved and UNI can stop complaining about being screwed geographically. Every school except UNC would have a travel partner but adding Denver to the mix could help offset that problem. Murray State would be isolated but if they added a non-football travel partner it could work out.

Northwest:
NDSU
UND
SDSU
USD
Denver
UNC

Southeast:
UNI
Creighton
UNO
Murray St
Drake
Non-Football member (Evansville)

EDIT:

I replaced MSU with Drake and then it would be a perfect fit so UNI won't complain about a travel partner.

Drake would have to go full D1 in scholarships for football, but if they elected to not play, that would suck having only 6 games of conference play vs 7. They could always extend football only invites to WIU, ISUb, or ISUr. Otherwise, eliminate Drake and Evansville and go for ISUr and ISUb.

This would bring Football 9 and 8 conference games would be nice.

North:
NDSU
UND
SDSU
USD
Denver
UNC

Southeast:
UNI
ISUb
ISUr
Creighton
UNO
Murray State

This would be the following:

Minimum 2 bid league in basketball, possibly 3.
Minimum 3 bid league in football, possibly 5.
Baseball would be at 7

Let's get this train rolling. I prefer option 2 if I had my choice. It would keep intact the "Valley" rivalries while adding a lower team in UNO while giving the "Summit" teams the old rivalries back.

[clenz]

Holy ****.

This is why I love when people try to make SL football a real thing.

xlolx

[clenz]

I've posted it before and I'll post it again. If you want to go SL football this is the route that is the most likely out of any situation

Denver goes to the WAC to help stabilize that and get away from what is about to happen
WIU likely goes OVC or Horizon
IPFW goes Horizon
UMKC is a bit of a wild card but I firmly believe they end up SL no matter what

That all adds up too

Non FB members
ORU
UMKC
UNO

FB members
UND
NDSU
SDSU
USD
Southern Utah
Weber State
Northern Colorado

That gives the league 10 members with 7 football members. That is enough to get an autobid (6 is needed). 7 is far from ideal but it can work for a few years if needed. Schedule OOC games with the Big Sky and MVFC becoms extremely important as you need 3-4 FCS OOC games. You'll see places like SUU, WSU, USD, UNC take 2 pay day games. I think we'd see an uptick in D2 games out of those as well. I could see Poly and Davis being approached as an affiliate member due to GWC familiraity and them not being a full time Big Sky member anyway

I suppose it's possible WIU hangs around, but I can't imagine they are real excited about sending volleyball, basketball and womens basketball to Utah twice and Colorado (maybe twice if Denver doesn't leave) every single year. Maybe a push for NMSU and GCU is made, but I don't see it happening.

That's a worse conference than the current MVFC set up (for both the MVFC and SL), it's a 18-23 RPI basketball league - so not a ton of change.

The MVFC ends up
ISUR
ISUB
MOSO
MUSU
UNI
SIU
WIU - possibly.
YSU

Obviously not ideal for the MVFC either but it could work. This is where adding MUSU and a place like SFA would be a smart move for the MVC. Two basketball school with football programs to keep that stable. It's a average, maybe slightly above average conference. Probably 4th-6th most years in strength. Just as the SL would be. The top teams would be pretty good, but there'd be a hard drop after the top two or three in both leagues. They'd be 2 bid leagues...maybe 3 occasionally. The Summit taking those teams might actually up the bids the Big Sky gets as it's grabbing their bottom 3 teams.

I really think WIU gets approached by the OVC if/when MUSU leaves for the MVC/MVFC.

Dakota schools may not like it, but the reality is the MVFC is the best possible set up for those of us in the midwest. There simply isn't enough teams, especially quality teams, to create two conferences that would make up for what we lose by splitting.

MUSU seems like a MVC lock. Football is a bit up in the air wit them but with UND coming into the MVFC in 2020 we will be at 11 members. It only makes sense that a 12th is added to "even it out".

We can, have and will continue to argue about how the schedule will/should be set up moving forward at 11 and 12 members. If it goes to 12 we could do the MVC/SL split for divisions with either UNI or MOSO shifting to the SL side to even it out at 6 per side. Yes I know it's completely unbalanced based on the current status of league teams.

I guess we could go


ISUR

UND


ISUB
NDSU



MUSU
MOSU


UNI
SDSU


SIU
USD


YSU
WIU




Play a H/H with your side. That will give you 5 conference games with it rotating 3 home and 2 road and then 2 home and then 3 road. Try, to the best possible way, cross over based on relative strength to get everyone to 4 and 4 for conference games.

Shifting MOSO over adds a bottom team to the other side. If you aggregate the average finish of the last 5 years it's pretty even. I know based on last year, and this year, it isn't even, but there's no perfect way to split and ensure everyone plays everyone over a handful of years.


I'm not sure there's a good way to split it, one side will always be stronger. It's just how things that are cyclical work.

I guess we could do a split based on alternating distance from the geo midpoint of that conference. Everyone gets numbered in distance from geo mid point 1-12

One side would be
1
3
5
7
9
11

The other would be
2
4
6
8
10
12

In terms of travel/distance that's the easiest/most fare. How that works in terms of quality on each side? No idea. I'll have to do some math on that and post it later.

Oh, and then if places like the Dakotas or UNI/SIU/ISUr get split how do you decide on if there are protected rivals?

[Yote 53]

Or how about?

Non FB members
ORU
Denver
UNO

FB members
UND
NDSU
SDSU
USD
WIU
Montana
Montana State
Northern Colorado
Eastern Washington

Why wouldn't the top schools in the Big Sky want to join with the top schools in the MVFC? Maybe WIU wouldn't want into that due to travel reasons so we pick up another BSC school, or maybe NMSU. That's an FCS superconference and legit basketball mid-major.

Why would USD take two payday games or D2 games? We don't do that now and won't in the future. The level of disrespect you continually toss our way is ridiculous. Especially given that the Panthers 2-2 against USD over the last 4 games. Seriously, we're about equal today with one program trending up and one trending down.

Some news for you Clenz, USD football is in much better shape going forward than UNI football is. The reality is that the balance of power in the MVFC has shifted to the Summit schools, USD being one of them. Many of you are far underselling what the Yotes are going to do this year and going forward, and that's fine, I understand it given history, but it's happening. This team is going to be dangerous this year and I wouldn't be surprised one bit if we challenged for the top of the conference. With the recruiting that has been going on and the players this staff is bringing in, immediate impact players and young guys for the future, the Yotes are gonna be good, dang good.

Clenz, the thing is if UNI was a football first school I think you guys would be clamoring for a conference change to align yourself with Dakota schools and come back to an old NCC type of conference. Maybe instead of WIU, UNI would want to be a part of the conference I put together above. That would be one hell of a conference. The Summit part of the MVFC is where the balance of power is going to reside in the FCS for the foreseeable future because none of these schools are going to back down and allow NDSU to run roughshod over us, and for NDSU it is NC or bust every year. But the Valley is a basketball conference so that is where you guys will align yourself, just know that one day when the separation does happen the Panthers will end up in an inferior conference where they will whither away because football won't be a priority. Unless you guys decide to choose differently and come along with us.

[clenz]

Montana, Montana State, Idaho, Idaho State and EWU are all pretty damn connected. They are also more than content in the Big Sky and have no interest in doing anything that involves leaving it.
UND just left that conference because traveling to the Montana's and Washington crippled their athletic budget

Where are those 7 FCS schools going to get 5 OOC games each? In the most likely set up - which I posted - you have 7 conference teams. That leaves 5 OOC games each. There isn't 4 (assuming we see 1 FBS game per school) OOC games to be filled by FCS schools for every school. That's 28 OOC games every single year to fill. When everyone else is only playing 3 OOC games - 2 of the FCS - there isn't enough OOC dates to go around. Thus schools would be left playing 10 games or filling with a D2 game or extra FBS game. Simple math is how I came up with that.

IDGAF what shape you think USD is in when it comes to it's relation to UNI. USD's best season is was still worse than UNI's worst in decades. IDGAF about that. I haven't given any predictions for this year, so I haven't undersold ****. UNI is 3-1 vs Iowa State over the last 4 meetings. Must mean we'd finish at least 6th in the B12, right? I mean, we'd beat Iowa State, we'd beat Kansas, We' have been on par with Texas, Texas Tech and Baylor last year...right? I mean, that's how this works in your world..is it not?

Football doesn't pay the bills. What's football's revenue vs expense at USD? NDSU is the only one it's turning out numbers in the black. FCS football isn't going to drive the university forward. FCS football doesn't get students from across the midwest interested in coming to campus. Basketball success does. Being ranked in the top 10 in basketball does, which UNI has done in the last 2-3 years. Winning NCAA tournament games does that (UNI has won at lesat 1 NCAA game the last 3 teams it's been in the NCAA tournament. UNI's admissions department has come out and said that when UNI basketball is an NCAA quality team there is a massive uptick in applicants, and quality of applicants. Following the S16 UNI saw a 37% increase in applications and the average ACT of those applicants was about 2.5 points higher (from 22.5 to 24-25), on average, than previously. The average GPA went from from about 3.25 to about 3.5 for applicants. That's a major shift in student population at a place like UNI (or USD, NDSU, SDSU, etc... as well).

Did that happen when UNI made the title game in 2005? No. Did it happen when UNI was ranked #1 in 2007 and 2008? Not really. There was a small bump for Iowa kids - but UNI already recruits students from across Iowa extremely well. Basketball drives the regional recruiting bus for getting kids interested.

The Summit League will never be that in basketball. You want to talk about the SL being set up better for FCS football in the future? Fine. Yay for you guys. The reality is, even with WSU being gone, the MVC is projected at a top 10 RPI conference next year (FWIW the Summit is projected at 18). The MVC is still going to add Murray State and will add someone like UALR, Arlington, etc... along with it. That will grow the strength of the MVC there as well. How much money does the MVFC distribute from shares earned from the FCS playoffs? Zero? Oh. How about money from the NCAA basketball tournament? 280k per game.


Will the MVFC conference be inferior to where it is now? Sure. Dang, I guess. Shoot. I don't know how the university will survive.

Start your SFL if you want. Enjoy. DGAF.

[Yote 53]

If that was UNI's worst season in decades you should probably start preparing yourselves to achieve new lows. Farley isn't going to coach you guys out of this. The admin isn't putting resources towards your program. Do you even have a full coaching staff yet? Are they allowed to recruit out of state?

[Redbird 4th & short]

sounds like the MVFC has seen better days, down, sun setting, you guys had a good run but it looks like it's over sad eyes
Hen ... On behalf of MVFC, I/we would love to be under-estimated by everyone. xnodx

NDSU and SDSU will be Top 5 teams. I'm betting my redbirds shouldn't be too far behind by mid season.

UNI will be back and may even surprise this year, or next year. Farley is always very competitive, although results are inconsistent some years due to typically top 2-3 SOS in FCS. Fresh ideas on offense may emerge in way that Farley has resisted in past. Clenz and I don't agree on much of anything .. but he was right about Kollmorgen, putting aside injuries .. Farley should have built their offense around him and hung in there. Maybe their new OC will move offensive system in new direction.

YSU will be back, just maybe not this year .. they didn't jut lose to beast DEs the everyone had to game plan around.. they also lost 3 good DBs, and 2 very good RBs. Pellini will bring them back sooner than later.

SIU .. mojo is very infectious .. i am watching them close this year. 2 years ago they were absolutely horrible on defense and lost the top QB in conference .. true dual threat. And they still competed last year .. went just 4-7 but lost to YSU by just 7, SDSU by just 6, and us by just 3 .. and then by 8 to weak FBS FL Atlantic. By all accounts, they should have been 2-9 with many blow outs.

Not sure about WIU, but I think they remain a top 20 team and in upper half of MVFC. USD may also surprise a bit this year.

So we'll see playoff time how "down" a year it is for MVFC. xdrunkyx

[Thumper 76]

Hen ... On behalf of MVFC, I/we would love to be under-estimated by everyone. xnodx

NDSU and SDSU will be Top 5 teams. I'm betting my redbirds shouldn't be too far behind by mid season.

UNI will be back and may even surprise this year, or next year. Farley is always very competitive, although results are inconsistent some years due to typically top 2-3 SOS in FCS. Fresh ideas on offense may emerge in way that Farley has resisted in past. Clenz and I don't agree on much of anything .. but he was right about Kollmorgen, putting aside injuries .. Farley should have built their offense around him and hung in there. Maybe their new OC will move offensive system in new direction.

YSU will be back, just maybe not this year .. they didn't jut lose to beast DEs the everyone had to game plan around.. they also lost 3 good DBs, and 2 very good RBs. Pellini will bring them back sooner than later.

SIU .. mojo is very infectious .. i am watching them close this year. 2 years ago they were absolutely horrible on defense and lost the top QB in conference .. true dual threat. And they still competed last year .. went just 4-7 but lost to YSU by just 7, SDSU by just 6, and us by just 3 .. and then by 8 to weak FBS FL Atlantic. By all accounts, they should have been 2-9 with many blow outs.

Not sure about WIU, but I think they remain a top 20 team and in upper half of MVFC. USD may also surprise a bit this year.

So we'll see playoff time how "down" a year it is for MVFC. xdrunkyx

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[TheKingpin28]

Holy ****.

This is why I love when people try to make SL football a real thing.

xlolx

You and I both know it would work, the fact of the matter is that there are too many "rivalries" and smug people in leadership roles to make it work. I posted awhile back what they should do if they go with Murray State about going to 3, 4 pod teams, and balancing it out to ensure that no one specific team gets bent over. However, it made too much sense and was shot down real quick.

[clenz]

You and I both know it would work, the fact of the matter is that there are too many "rivalries" and smug people in leadership roles to make it work. I posted awhile back what they should do if they go with Murray State about going to 3, 4 pod teams, and balancing it out to ensure that no one specific team gets bent over. However, it made too much sense and was shot down real quick.
Would it (SL football) "work"? Sure. It could happen and be made to work.
Is it ideal for anyone involved? Not at all, which is why it won't happen.

Let's also not forget - it would depend on the NCAA granting AQ status to another conference - one that isn't exactly on the "good side" of the NCAA when it comes to their membership rules. The SL has had to get a couple different waivers from the NCAA to keep autobids to post season tournaments, is losing one baseball team away from needing another, and is currently on waiver (or has been) to get around the NCAAs rule on conference membership stability and needing a core group of members that have all been in a conference for X amount of years with no changes. That could fall apart further if IPFW leaves and more changes are needed. Maybe the NCAA would see adding football as a way to stabilize the conference, though it could be argued destabilizing as it would/could cause schools like UNO, ORU and Denver to look for a conference more "like minded" in it's approach.

I liked your pod system, though it still "screws" the Dakotas they'd all argue - which will happen unless you intentionally split it by state or by 1 DSU with one UXD

It will either be an E/W split going



East
West


ISUB
ISUR
MUSU
SIU
WIU
YSU

UND
NDSU
SDSU
USD
UNI
MOSU




OR



North
South


UND
NDSU
SDSU
USD
UNI
YSU/WIU
ISUR
ISUB
SIU
MUSU
MOSO
WIU/YSU




I'm working on a geographic split now and I'll post when I'm done

[clenz]

Geo midpoint of the conference (with UND and MUSU)...actually it changes almost nothing with just 1 or neither of them) is just SE of Iowa City on HWY 6. Just call it Iowa City for ease.

Closest to furthest - straight line (from actual midpoint, not Iowa City, but it's essentially Iowa City)



1
.
WIU
84
mi


2
.
UNI
86
mi


3
.
ISUR
145
mi


4
.
ISUB
255
mi


5
.
SIU
290
mi


6
.
USD
295
mi


7
.
MOSO
317
mi


8
.
SDSU
332
mi


9
.
MUSU
380
mi


10
.
NDSU
455
mi


11
.
UND
520
mi


12
.
YSU
559
mi




Doing the Every other split you'd have


WIU
UNI


ISUR
ISUB


SIU
USD


MOSO
SDSU


MUSU
NDSU


UND
YSU




That actually kind of sucks.

Going Alphabetical you could get


ISUR
UNI


ISUB
USD


MOSO
SDSU


MUSU
SIU


UND
WIU


NDSU
YSU




Which isn't horrid I guess.

Every other alphabetical


ISUR
ISUB


MOSO
MUSU


NDSU
UND


USD
UNI


SIU
SDSU


YSU
WIU




That might actually end up being the best option.

[Jacks02]

2017 hype video for SDSU.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IQnaGR7gY

[Bison56]

2017 hype video for SDSU.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IQnaGR7gY

Needs more Jack Attack!

[TheKingpin28]

Would it (SL football) "work"? Sure. It could happen and be made to work.
Is it ideal for anyone involved? Not at all, which is why it won't happen.

Let's also not forget - it would depend on the NCAA granting AQ status to another conference - one that isn't exactly on the "good side" of the NCAA when it comes to their membership rules. The SL has had to get a couple different waivers from the NCAA to keep autobids to post season tournaments, is losing one baseball team away from needing another, and is currently on waiver (or has been) to get around the NCAAs rule on conference membership stability and needing a core group of members that have all been in a conference for X amount of years with no changes. That could fall apart further if IPFW leaves and more changes are needed. Maybe the NCAA would see adding football as a way to stabilize the conference, though it could be argued destabilizing as it would/could cause schools like UNO, ORU and Denver to look for a conference more "like minded" in it's approach.

I liked your pod system, though it still "screws" the Dakotas they'd all argue - which will happen unless you intentionally split it by state or by 1 DSU with one UXD

It will either be an E/W split going



East
West


ISUB
ISUR
MUSU
SIU
WIU
YSU
UND
NDSU
SDSU
USD
UNI
MOSU



OR



North
South


UND
NDSU
SDSU
USD
UNI
YSU/WIU
ISUR
ISUB
SIU
MUSU
MOSO
WIU/YSU




I'm working on a geographic split now and I'll post when I'm done


I posted this earlier but BF02 one worded me on it, but I think it could work, and still appease our overlords at UNI.



If Murray State were to join both conferences, keyword is if, that whole 3 pod idea for the conference would not be horrible. All SOS positions based off of Sagarin including ALL D1 Teams in () and Massey Ratings in []

Dakotas: Composite of (377) [49]
NDSU (44) [2]
SDSU (82) [5]
UND (115) [20]
USD (136) [22]

Central: Composite of (538) [103]
UNI (95) [10]
ISUr (110) [17]
SIU (148) [30]
Missery State (185) [46]

East: Composite of (575) [121]
YSU (67) [3]
WIU (135) [18]
ISUb (174) [33]
Murray State (199) [67]

Yes, I realize Western is more west than ISUr, but UNI would demand to have them in the pod. Looking at the ranks it is solid for 2 of the 3 pods, however, as usual the XDSUs will end up getting bent in half. So what if we moved Missery State into a new pod called the "west" shifted Murray State into the "central" as well as USeD and moved SIU into the "east?


West: Composite of (426) [73]
NDSU (44) [2]
SDSU (82) [5]
UND (115) [20]
Missery State (185) [46]

Central: Composite of (540) [126]
UNI (95) [10]
ISUr (110) [17]
USD (136) [22]
Murray State (199) [67]

East: Composite of (524) [84]
YSU (67) [3]
WIU (135) [18]
SIU (148) [30]
ISUb (174) [33]

Well we got closer to parity, however, keeping the XDSUs together still hurts the west. SO, what if we radicalize the pods to create parity? We will keep 1 traveling partner with each school to ensure that 1 rivalry will remain so that schools will still bitch about traveling, but rivalries just do not disappear.

West: Composite of (480) [90]
NDSU (44) [2]
UND (115) [20]
USD (136) [22]
Missery State (185) [46]

Central: Composite of (486) [99]
SDSU (82) [5]
UNI (95) [10]
ISUr (110) [17]
Murray State (199) [67]

East: Composite of (524) [84]
YSU (67) [3]
WIU (135) [18]
SIU (148) [30]
ISUb (174) [33]

This would be as close to parity as parity comes. The main problem is, based off of last season 2 pods have dumpster fires of Football schools, so to make up for it, the East has to take teams #10 and #9 to make up for the #11 and #12. So based off of this the "West" gets the #1, 7, 8, 11. The "Central" gets the #3, 4, 5, 12. The "East" gets the #2, 6, 9, 10. This would, in theory, create ideal parity in the league and still maintain rivalries.

Again, all of this is hypothetical, but if they decide to with 12 teams for football, dividing east vs west would be a travesty but going into 4 team pods would ensure that each division would have to be tested and not give, say a team like YSU a walk into the playoffs and force the XDSUs to be beaten up come December.

The last "pod" idea would work out the best. The only thing is, figuring out the championship winner, which would be a pain in the ass.

[TheKingpin28]

Geo midpoint of the conference (with UND and MUSU)...actually it changes almost nothing with just 1 or neither of them) is just SE of Iowa City on HWY 6. Just call it Iowa City for ease.

Closest to furthest - straight line (from actual midpoint, not Iowa City, but it's essentially Iowa City)



1
.
WIU
84
mi


2
.
UNI
86
mi


3
.
ISUR
145
mi


4
.
ISUB
255
mi


5
.
SIU
290
mi


6
.
USD
295
mi


7
.
MOSO
317
mi


8
.
SDSU
332
mi


9
.
MUSU
380
mi


10
.
NDSU
455
mi


11
.
UND
520
mi


12
.
YSU
559
mi




Doing the Every other split you'd have


WIU
UNI


ISUR
ISUB


SIU
USD


MOSO
SDSU


MUSU
NDSU


UND
YSU




That actually kind of sucks.

Going Alphabetical you could get


ISUR
UNI


ISUB
USD


MOSO
SDSU


MUSU
SIU


UND
WIU


NDSU
YSU




Which isn't horrid I guess.

Every other alphabetical


ISUR
ISUB


MOSO
MUSU


NDSU
UND


USD
UNI


SIU
SDSU


YSU
WIU




That might actually end up being the best option.

The problem is NDSU gets wrecked for travel whereas the "otherside" is set up perfectly for travel.

If you want to keep travel to a minimum with having balanced conferences, this is what I would do:

Conference A: (756) [138]
NDSU (44) [2]
UNI (95) [10]
ISUr (110) [17]
SIU (148) [30]
ISUb (174) [33]
Missery State (185) [46]

Conference B: (734) [135]
YSU (67) [3]
SDSU (82) [5]
WIU (135) [18]
UND (115) [20]
USD (136) [22]
Murray State (199) [67]

That would be the most "ideal" but for the argument, I would move SDSU and UNI around to look like this:

Conference A: (743) [133]
NDSU (44) [2]
SDSU (82) [5]
ISUr (110) [17]
SIU (148) [30]
ISUb (174) [33]
MiSU (185) [46]

Conference B: (747) [140]
YSU (67) [3]
UNI (95) [10]
WIU (135) [18]
UND (115) [20]
USD (136) [22]
MuSU (199) [67]

Realistically, this would be a better conference since each team has a "rivalry" in their conference and then each team plays 3 inter-conference games with 1 of them always being protected. (I feel like they would skip the NDSU vs UNI and MiSU vs UND, in favor of NDSU vs UND and UNI vs MiSU but NDSU and UNI would complain about the loss of a "money game/rivalry game" and they would keep it like this).

NDSU vs UNI
SDSU vs USD
ISUr vs WIU
SIU vs MuSU
ISUb vs YSU
MiSU vs UND

OR

Conference A: (736) [128]
NDSU (44) [2]
SDSU (82) [5]
UND (115) [20]
USD (136) [22]
ISUb (174) [33]
MiSU (185) [46]

Conference B: (754) [145]
YSU (67) [3]
UNI (95) [10]
ISUr (110) [17]
WIU (135) [18]
SIU (148) [30]
MuSU (199) [67]

Slightly unbalanced, but for travel purposes, this would save the league hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Rivalries would suck since NDSU and SDSU would both want UNI and trying to split it up so all 3 play each other is tough. Can we just go back to the idea of kicking YSU out, letting MSU go to the Slum Belt, and having another school maybe drop football and if that does not work, then just do the 1 off rotation.

[clenz]

I was always told NDSU doesn't care about travel. They'd play 5 road games in Florida with zero problems.

[BisonFan02]

The last "pod" idea would work out the best. The only thing is, figuring out the championship winner, which would be a pain in the ass.

All of them suck. Divisions and "PODs" suck....1 true champion. 9-10 football members (if you want to go to a 9 conf game schedule)....that's it....Add 3 or so non-football schools to fill out other sports.

[TheKingpin28]

All of them suck. Divisions and "PODs" suck....1 true champion. 9-10 football members (if you want to go to a 9 conf game schedule)....that's it....Add 3 or so non-football schools to fill out other sports.

I am all for kicking UND and YSU to the curb, but for some reason, other schools are not on board with that.

[TheKingpin28]

I was always told NDSU doesn't care about travel. They'd play 5 road games in Florida with zero problems.

Yes and the fans would show up, but the western schools are always screwed, since the east will not travel, so why should NDSU face the brunt of the problems? I am still all for kicking YSU and UND to the curbside.

[GodHelpTheBears]

I know being a fan of MSU football is essentially pointless now, but I'd question the purpose of our football program if we end up in that division. Long travel way up north when our region leans toward Arkansas/Oklahoma/Texas, for at least 3 annual beatdowns and basically no chance of ever finishing higher than 4th. We'd flush millions of dollars down the toilet for no positive purpose. I actually hope the Missouri legislature steps in at that point.

[cx500d]

Yes and the fans would show up, but the western schools are always screwed, since the east will not travel, so why should NDSU face the brunt of the problems? I am still all for kicking YSU and UND to the curbside.

UND? Just because they are pricks? This animosity is a little like Texas/Texas A&M

[clenz]

I know being a fan of MSU football is essentially pointless now, but I'd question the purpose of our football program if we end up in that division. Long travel way up north when our region leans toward Arkansas/Oklahoma/Texas, for at least 3 annual beatdowns and basically no chance of ever finishing higher than 4th. We'd flush millions of dollars down the toilet for no positive purpose. I actually hope the Missouri legislature steps in at that point.

How is that different than it is now?

[GodHelpTheBears]

How is that different than it is now?

We're guaranteed more games against teams closer to us (WIU, SIU, the ISUs) at the moment. Shunting us to the north means we lose at least one of those.

(Also we can beat some of those teams sometimes)

[clenz]

Forgot to post this when I finished it a few weeks ago

https://image.prntscr.com/image/dRBFM8tuRna7ETI-epmESg.png

[Professor Chaos]

Wow, week 2 is like the MVFC/Big Sky challenge. 5 matchups that week between the two conferences.

[clenz]

We're guaranteed more games against teams closer to us (WIU, SIU, the ISUs) at the moment. Shunting us to the north means we lose at least one of those.

(Also we can beat some of those teams sometimes)
Same story for UNI - however, for competitive balance of the league is it in the best interest to have SDSU, NDSU, USD, UNI and UND (in 2020) on the same side of the conference with ISUb, MSU and SIU on the other?

MSU is going to end up on the west with UNI anyway.

There's a 99.9% chance that, come 2020, when UND and MUSU are added it will be an east/west or north/south split - which I posted earlier



East
West


ISUB
ISUR
MUSU
SIU
WIU
YSU
UND
NDSU
SDSU
USD
UNI
MOSU







North
South


UND
NDSU
SDSU
USD
UNI
YSU/WIU
ISUR
ISUB
SIU
MUSU
MOSO
WIU/YSU

[Model Citizen]

Forgot to post this when I finished it a few weeks ago

https://image.prntscr.com/image/dRBFM8tuRna7ETI-epmESg.png

I see that you used Drake's alternate logo.

Evil...

[clenz]

I don't know what you're talking about.

As far as I'm concerned there is only one Drake logo - the one I used.

[Model Citizen]

Well played.

[BisonFan02]

Well played.

I give it a C-

[Schism55]

I don't know what you're talking about.

As far as I'm concerned there is only one Drake logo - the one I used.
I laughed, gotta say xdrunkyx

[Redbird 4th & short]

Forgot to post this when I finished it a few weeks ago

https://image.prntscr.com/image/dRBFM8tuRna7ETI-epmESg.png

nice grid, if you know all the logos. Look at my Redbirds last 4 games ... arguably the toughest final 4 games in FCS this season, particularly if you take last years final rankings per Massey: #3, #18, #5, and #2. Our defense will be ready, but offense needs to break in new OL. We'll need to be at least 6-1 heading (no FBS this year) into that last 4, and then hope to split those .. and our new OL (4 of 5) ought to have worked out the kinks by then hopefully. If forced to play these 4 at end of season, the order is nearly perfect .. far more concerned about SDSU and NDSU, then YSU and WIU. Almost opposite of last year when our tough games were front loaded and we had to come back from 2-4 and 3-5 records to make playoffs after very inconsistent play the first 6 weeks.

[clenz]

The best part is they paid some firm 6 figures to come up with that.
Got instant backlash from EVERYONE - went national actually
They actually stuck with it for about 3 or 4 months, defending it tooth and nail.
Then it was just gone overnight. No announcement they were dropping it. No nothing. Just gone.

It makes sense when you consider their entire campaign they paired it with was "The Drake Advantage - Drake plus You equals success". They shortened to to D+. The D+ advantage.

Even better is shortly there after they lost their business school accreditation.xlolx

I will never use a different Drake logo. All of the wallpapers, logo schedules, and everything I make that are conference related involve the D+ logo

[Thumper 76]

I will never use a different Drake logo. All of the wallpapers, logo schedules, and everything I make that are conference related involve the D+ logo

A level of pettiness we can all aspire to emulate xlolx


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[clenz]

I'm setting my formulas up for doing the statistical analysis that I do every year to rank/predict based on returning players. I base the formulas on the "average per game" for all teams last year for the categories used on offense. I won't touch the offensive numbers because they are really ugly and we all know that.

What is likely lost is just how good that defense/ special teams was. UNI fans love to say "We have a championship caliber defense but no offense to go with it". Well, about 20 seconds into starting my analysis by getting the averages to base everything around I spent some time browsing where UNI ranked in the offensive areas - then I looked at the defense and wept.

Last year, among MVFC teams UNI ranked
1st in total defense
1st in yards allowed passing
1st in yards allowed per pass
2nd in rush defense
1st in yards allowed per rush
2nd in INTs
1st in INT yards
1st in INT yards per return
1st in INT for TDs
Only team to give up less than 5 yards per play
1st in kick off return average
1st in kick off return for TD
Longest KR in conference
2nd in PR average
Longest PR in the conference
1st in PR for TD

Yes, the kick coverage team was bad, and the FG team was bad. Honestly, if those were where they usually are we might have been a 8 win team. That's how good the defense was and how close to "over the hump" they got us. Even with the bad special teams, imagine how good this team would be if an offense was picked, recruited for, and stuck with that played to our strength of roster.

That's all the further into my research I am, so I don't know what that is going to look like carrying forward when it is based only on returning players. However, reading that list after I compiled it actually hurt, psychically.

[Model Citizen]

D+...


They actually stuck with it for about 3 or 4 months, defending it tooth and nail.
Then it was just gone overnight. No announcement they were dropping it. No nothing. Just gone.

Reminds me of the football coach's big announcement of a 12th game for the 2015 season. "Our guys love to play football, so when we had the chance to add a 12th game and for it to be at home, we took it," said the coach. Except the NCAA didn't allow FCS to play 12 that year. So the game disappeared from the schedule overnight. Not a peep from Drake University about it...




Even better is shortly there after they lost their business school accreditation.xlolx

To be fair, they have regained that accreditation. I don't think Drake ever lost accreditation for specific degree programs.

[clenz]

A level of pettiness we can all aspire to emulate xlolx


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I'm nothing, if not petty

[clenz]

To be fair, they have regained that accreditation. I don't think Drake ever lost accreditation for specific degree programs.
They did get it back. It's just funny it was lost just before, or just after, the D+ fiasco. It couldn't have been a better timed "We don't understand marketing and business" situation to happen.

I'm continually blown away by Drake - in a less than impressed way. There is constant talk about how great their academics are, how awesome they are, how much money they can spend, how much they do spend, etc... across athletics and they continue to pump out garbage product after garbage product across the board in their athletic department.

The MVC only announces the top 5 in the yearly All Sports Trophy, so I ran the numbers for every single season going back to about 2004. Drake has finished 7th or worse every single year in the all sports list.

It's just mind blowing.

[cx500d]

They did get it back. It's just funny it was lost just before, or just after, the D+ fiasco. It couldn't have been a better timed "We don't understand marketing and business" situation to happen.

I'm continually blown away by Drake - in a less than impressed way. There is constant talk about how great their academics are, how awesome they are, how much money they can spend, how much they do spend, etc... across athletics and they continue to pump out garbage product after garbage product across the board in their athletic department.

The MVC only announces the top 5 in the yearly All Sports Trophy, so I ran the numbers for every single season going back to about 2004. Drake has finished 7th or worse every single year in the all sports list.

It's just mind blowing.


All I know about the Drake besides a track meet is here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrQw2TKXq6o

[clenz]

D+ and Hate The Drake signs/chants litter road games for them

Their new marketing push on social media is #ThatDrake.

UNI fans have had a field day with that in terms of making fun of the fact that a 100+ year old "prestigious" institution needs a twitter hashtag to separate themselves from a Canadian rapper. They've posted videos/photos - clearly taking shots at UNI - to which UNI fans, staff, and former players have fired back.

One of the AD members posted a photo of a App State football pennant from the 2005 season with the caption of "Any UNI fans want this momento to remember that year?" That set off a long chain reaction of people posting photos from the Drake/UNI football games over the last decade that were all like 48-7 for a score, players getting stiff arms, QBs getting laid out, etc...

The basketball program at Drake hired a former UNI basketball player - who has been an assistant at Nebraska for a few years. Most of you may remember him. Ali Farohkmenesh who hit that 3 vs Kansas to send us to the S16. Anyway, they were running a camp for little kids and had the staff re-enact that shot from the down court pass and everything. The caption was "The Shot looks better in blue #ThatDrake". That set off a, I'm not kidding you, week long barrage of every UNI fan on twitter going otu of their way to put Drake in their place.

It's interesting to see that their SID/marketing/social media team has spent most of the summer trying to drum up a rivalry with UNI with their digs and UNI's response to everything has been - "Get the **** back in your place". Their campaign has gone about as well as you'd assume a bulldog trying to pick a fight with a panther in real life would go.

[Model Citizen]

There is constant talk about ...how much money they can spend, how much they do spend, etc

Drake spends money on athletics? Really?

I thought they were a tuition dependent school that almost went broke fielding a scholarship football team in the 1980s. Living beyond its athletic means pissed off faculty to the extent that one prof eventually created The Drake Group (Google it), which opposes the current D-I athletic model.

Regarding their men's basketball...Drake reacted to the ESPN driven changes to college basketball with panic. So they attempted shortcuts such as hiring disreputable head coaches and conspiring to commit academic fraud (another raison d'être for The Drake Group). They've repeated the same mistakes time and time again, with season ticket holders cheering them on. Mind blowing, indeed.

[mmiller_34]

Bump. This thread not allowed to fall to the 2nd page.

GoJacks.

[mmiller_34]

All I know about the Drake besides a track meet is here:


https://68.media.tumblr.com/1a85fa64da69da708159d917b3dafcae/tumblr_nexcsgjUaB1qie3qao1_500.png

BTW. SDSU plays AT Drake in 2019.

[TheKingpin28]

When I get back up to Fargo for a game, I am for sure hitting up a Casey's for some breakfast pizza with extra bacon.

[mmiller_34]

When I get back up to Fargo for a game, I am for sure hitting up a Casey's for some breakfast pizza with extra bacon.

I have actually discovered that Hyvee's breakfast pizza is waaaaay better than Casey's breakfast pizza.

[TheKingpin28]

I have actually discovered that Hyvee's breakfast pizza is waaaaay better than Casey's breakfast pizza.

Is there an excommunicate button on this forum? That is heresy of the most high.

[BisonFan02]

Is there an excommunicate button on this forum? That is heresy of the most high.

He's probably right....either way, its not pizza.

[TheKingpin28]

He's probably right....either way, its not pizza.

That's like saying pineapple does not belong on pizza, which we all know it does.

[BisonFan02]

That's like saying pineapple does not belong on pizza, which we all know it does.

It doesn't.

[TheKingpin28]

It doesn't.

https://i.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.webp

[clenz]

That's like saying pineapple does not belong on pizza, which we all know it does.

I order pizza with pineapple being the only topping.


Pineapple for days in my house.

I always have a whole pineapple ready to cut, plus one cut. Polis pineapple juice and frozen pineapple for shakes.

****ing pineapple is the GOAT fruit.

[TheKingpin28]

I order pizza with pineapple being the only topping.


Pineapple for days in my house.

I always have a whole pineapple ready to cut, plus one cut. Polis pineapple juice and frozen pineapple for shakes.

****ing pineapple is the GOAT fruit.

I'd argue Strawberries are the GOAT fruit, but at least there is someone out there that understands the importance of pineapples. I am a tried and true Jack and Coke man, but I do have to admit, I enjoy a Caribou Lou every now and again and do it just for the pineapple.

I love upside down cake with a pineapple on the top and a little bit of sauce with powdered sugar.

[clenz]

I'd argue Strawberries are the GOAT fruit, but at least there is someone out there that understands the importance of pineapples. I am a tried and true Jack and Coke man, but I do have to admit, I enjoy a Caribou Lou every now and again and do it just for the pineapple.

I love upside down cake with a pineapple on the top and a little bit of sauce with powdered sugar.

Strawberries are a great partner for pineapple and banana in a smoothie, but that's it.

I'm a Jager man, and I'll do Jack and Coke or Jameson as well. However, anyone who can't admit some of those frothy fruity drinks are delicious need to step out of their personal closet a bit 🤣

[ST_Lawson]

It doesn't.

This is the correct answer.

[TheKingpin28]

Strawberries are a great partner for pineapple and banana in a smoothie, but that's it.

I'm a Jager man, and I'll do Jack and Coke or Jameson as well. However, anyone who can't admit some of those frothy fruity drinks are delicious need to step out of their personal closet a bit 藍

Sangria FTW

I avoid Jager as much as possible. I make very bad decisions when I mix Jager with what I am drinking.

[Thumper 76]

This is the correct answer.

Pineapple doesn't go on pizza but Casey's breakfast pizza IS PIZZA YOU GODDAMN COMMIES.


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[ST_Lawson]

Pineapple doesn't go on pizza but Casey's breakfast pizza IS PIZZA YOU GODDAMN COMMIES.


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Right.

Pineapple can go in my morning fruit juice smoothie....with rum.

[Thumper 76]

Right.

Pineapple can go in my morning fruit juice smoothie....with rum.

ST has his head in the right place. The rest of you....


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[TheKingpin28]

ST has his head in the right place. The rest of you....


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You missing my Caribou Lou reference or Sangria reference? Come on man...

[Thumper 76]

You missing my Caribou Lou reference or Sangria reference? Come on man...

You said pineapple on pizza. Just like Joseph Stalin.

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[Thumper 76]

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[TheKingpin28]

You said pineapple on pizza. Just like Joseph Stalin.

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I'd argue Strawberries are the GOAT fruit, but at least there is someone out there that understands the importance of pineapples. I am a tried and true Jack and Coke man, but I do have to admit, I enjoy a Caribou Lou every now and again and do it just for the pineapple.

I love upside down cake with a pineapple on the top and a little bit of sauce with powdered sugar.

#Pineapplebelongsonapizza #SDSUfanslackculturethereforetheylacktheabilitytom akevaluablejudgementsonthedebate #Ienjoylonghashtags

[TheKingpin28]

You said pineapple on pizza. Just like Joseph Stalin.

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[Bisonoline]

https://i.imgflip.com/1sxj7t.jpg

Stalin was a commie. Case closed.

[TheKingpin28]

Stalin was a commie. Case closed.

That's like saying, since Barry O liked basketball, it is the worst activity in the history of the world.

OR

Since SDSU let's their cheerleaders out at halftime, as a society, we should not listen to them mooing while chewing on the grass.

[POD Knows]

I have actually discovered that Hyvee's breakfast pizza is waaaaay better than Casey's breakfast pizza.Hyvee has hash browns on their breakfast pizza, or at least the place I went to had hash browns. Not a fan, take those off and the Hyvee breakfast pizza would be better than Casey's

[Loyl2u]

Hyvee has hash browns on their breakfast pizza, or at least the place I went to had hash browns. Not a fan, take those off and the Hyvee breakfast pizza would be better than Casey's
I know it will be sacrilegious, but when we went to game at Central Arkansas, there were no Casey's within a couple of hour drive, so we went with Kum & Go(with the expected side comments) and it also had hash browns and generated positive feedback from the Redbird faithful at our tailgate. We will have to get both Casey's and Hyvee for first day-game of the season��Face off!

[POD Knows]

I know it will be sacrilegious, but when we went to game at Central Arkansas, there were no Casey's within a couple of hour drive, so we went with Kum & Go(with the expected side comments) and it also had hash browns and generated positive feedback from the Redbird faithful at our tailgate. We will have to get both Casey's and Hyvee for first day-game of the season��Face off!I like my hash browns burnt, these hash browns were sort of undercooked. If you sprinkled hash browns on top and crisped them up, it would be decent.

[mmiller_34]

Hyvee has hash browns on their breakfast pizza, or at least the place I went to had hash browns. Not a fan, take those off and the Hyvee breakfast pizza would be better than Casey's

No hash browns on the breakfast pizza from the Brookings Hyvee Gas. I like Casey's pizza, but Hyvee breakfast pizza is a religious experience.

Maybe it was the Cedar Falls Hyvee who made that bush league addition with the hash browns.

[mmiller_34]

That's like saying, since Barry O liked basketball, it is the worst activity in the history of the world.

OR

Since [USD] let's their cheerleaders out at halftime, as a society, we should not listen to them mooing while chewing on the [fake] grass.

I went ahead and made the correct edits. xthumbsupx

[TheKingpin28]

I went ahead and made the correct edits. xthumbsupx

http://i.imgur.com/dVDJiez.gif

[GodHelpTheBears]

I know it will be sacrilegious, but when we went to game at Central Arkansas, there were no Casey's within a couple of hour drive, so we went with Kum & Go(with the expected side comments) and it also had hash browns and generated positive feedback from the Redbird faithful at our tailgate. We will have to get both Casey's and Hyvee for first day-game of the seasonFace off!

Lol, Springfield, MO is ground zero for the Casey's/Kum & Go wars. The way to work this battle line to your advantage is to pick up your breakfast pizza at Casey's and drive over to Kum & Go to get a growler refill.

[POD Knows]

No hash browns on the breakfast pizza from the Brookings Hyvee Gas. I like Casey's pizza, but Hyvee breakfast pizza is a religious experience.

Maybe it was the Cedar Falls Hyvee who made that bush league addition with the hash browns.It was actually west Omaha, maybe they have a breakfast pizza with or without hash browns. I go to Brookings all the time, I was just there last week, I will have to check it out. Hyvee has awesome normal breakfast as well.

[RootinFerDukes]

If I happen to ever drive through a Midwest state and I decide to stop at a casey's to see what the fuss is about, this breakfast pizza better not disappoint. No pressure.

[BisonFan02]

If I happen to ever drive through a Midwest state and I decide to stop at a casey's to see what the fuss is about, this breakfast pizza better not disappoint. No pressure.


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It will....disappoint.

[RootinFerDukes]

It will....disappoint.

Thanks for the heads up haha

[TheKingpin28]

If I happen to ever drive through a Midwest state and I decide to stop at a casey's to see what the fuss is about, this breakfast pizza better not disappoint. No pressure.

It will not


It will....disappoint.

He has no idea what he is talking about. Why he hates on Casey's, no one will know.

[clenz]

He has no idea what he is talking about. Why he hates on Casey's, no one will know.
He spent time out east. He picked up the snobbery of an east coaster.

Reality doesn't matter to them - only what snobs think.

[POD Knows]

He spent time out east. He picked up the snobbery of an east coaster.

Reality doesn't matter to them - only what snobs think.BF02 doesn't like eggs, they are his kryptonite.

[TheKingpin28]

He spent time out east. He picked up the snobbery of an east coaster.

Reality doesn't matter to them - only what snobs think.


BF02 doesn't like eggs, they are his kryptonite.

Is he a Spicy Pie pizza lover, since if so, that would explain his lack of taste for pizza. Give me Casey's Breakfast Pizza, Neopolitan, Pagliai's, or Pizza Luce all day over that horrid "NY Style" any day.

Who does not like eggs? I get over hard but give me some scrambled eggs, bacon, sausage, toast with a large glass of tomato juice and I am living life to the fullest.

[cx500d]

Is he a Spicy Pie pizza lover, since if so, that would explain his lack of taste for pizza. Give me Casey's Breakfast Pizza, Neopolitan, Pagliai's, or Pizza Luce all day over that horrid "NY Style" any day.

Who does not like eggs? I get over hard but give me some scrambled eggs, bacon, sausage, toast with a large glass of tomato juice and I am living life to the fullest.

You people are pathetic. That isn't pizza, it's a repackaged breakfast burrito.


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[POD Knows]

Is he a Spicy Pie pizza lover, since if so, that would explain his lack of taste for pizza. Give me Casey's Breakfast Pizza, Neopolitan, Pagliai's, or Pizza Luce all day over that horrid "NY Style" any day.

Who does not like eggs? I get over hard but give me some scrambled eggs, bacon, sausage, toast with a large glass of tomato juice and I am living life to the fullest.OMG, you have done it now, is there a place you can hide.

[POD Knows]

Is he a Spicy Pie pizza lover, since if so, that would explain his lack of taste for pizza. Give me Casey's Breakfast Pizza, Neopolitan, Pagliai's, or Pizza Luce all day over that horrid "NY Style" any day.

Who does not like eggs? I get over hard but give me some scrambled eggs, bacon, sausage, toast with a large glass of tomato juice and I am living life to the fullest.Oh, and NY thin crust pizza is the best. End of discussion.

[cx500d]

Oh, and NY thin crust pizza is the best. End of discussion.

Agreed. Admins please close this thread.


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[BisonFan02]

You people are pathetic. That isn't pizza, it's a repackaged breakfast burrito.


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This.

I actually eat Casey's regular pizza (pepperoni....mmmmm...grease), but it is what it is.

Spicy Pie is a ****ing terrible excuse for pizza....seriously....its for wannabe Fargo hipsters to buy 'zza by the slice and act cool. It has the redeeming qualities of ketchup on a cracker.

NY style pizza....REAL NY style pizza....is the best. That being said, pizzas are like BJs...I haven't really had a BAD one.

[Bisonoline]

If I happen to ever drive through a Midwest state and I decide to stop at a casey's to see what the fuss is about, this breakfast pizza better not disappoint. No pressure.

If you are expecting a great traditional pizza you will be disappointed. If you like something different for breakfast and need some food to eat while you travel then you will enjoy it.

[TheKingpin28]

You people are pathetic. That isn't pizza, it's a repackaged breakfast burrito.


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You assume I enjoy spicy pie. I'd rather eat Little Caesars for the rest of my life before I ate that crap.


OMG, you have done it now, is there a place you can hide.

I have nothing to hide from.


Oh, and NY thin crust pizza is the best. End of discussion.

That is laughable.

[TheKingpin28]

You people are pathetic. That isn't pizza, it's a repackaged breakfast burrito.


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OMG, you have done it now, is there a place you can hide.


This.

I actually eat Casey's regular pizza (pepperoni....mmmmm...grease), but it is what it is.

Spicy Pie is a ****ing terrible excuse for pizza....seriously....its for wannabe Fargo hipsters to buy 'zza by the slice and act cool. It has the redeeming qualities of ketchup on a cracker.

NY style pizza....REAL NY style pizza....is the best. That being said, pizzas are like BJs...I haven't really had a BAD one.

Geno's East.

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[caribbeanhen]

Oh, and NY thin crust pizza is the best. End of discussion.

totally agree!

they should just give all that other junk a new name

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Daroo's in Fosston, MN is pretty darn good pizza. A lot better than Rhombus Guys.

[POD Knows]

If you are expecting a great traditional pizza you will be disappointed. If you like something different for breakfast and need some food to eat while you travel then you will enjoy it.Casey's Breadfast Pizza, It will push a turd. That should be their slogan.

[POD Knows]

Daroo's in Fosston, MN is pretty darn good pizza. A lot better than Rhombus Guys.Hey, the wife and I went up to Fosston to look at a retriever puppy and ate at this place, they have great pizza.

[Bisonator]

http://ot-foodspotting-production.s3.amazonaws.com/reviews/5596016/thumb_600.jpg?1443800501

[mango433]

This.

I actually eat Casey's regular pizza (pepperoni....mmmmm...grease), but it is what it is.

Spicy Pie is a ****ing terrible excuse for pizza....seriously....its for wannabe Fargo hipsters to buy 'zza by the slice and act cool. It has the redeeming qualities of ketchup on a cracker.

NY style pizza....REAL NY style pizza....is the best. That being said, pizzas are like BJs...I haven't really had a BAD one.

I ate at Spicy Pie once, they gave our pizza to someone else because they couldn't find us, even though they never looked because we were sitting right in plain sight. Never again.

[Professor Chaos]

Pfft.... pointless offseason discussion is pointless. Everyone knows the best pizza in the world is made at Pizza Hut.

[Bison56]

If you eat Spicy Pie make sure you are no further than a five minute drive to the house, because what that stuff does to ya you don't want to happen in public.

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Pfft.... pointless offseason discussion is pointless. Everyone knows the best pizza in the world is made at Pizza Hut.

I pooped a little in my pants just reading that.:(

[cx500d]

This.

I actually eat Casey's regular pizza (pepperoni....mmmmm...grease), but it is what it is.

Spicy Pie is a ****ing terrible excuse for pizza....seriously....its for wannabe Fargo hipsters to buy 'zza by the slice and act cool. It has the redeeming qualities of ketchup on a cracker.

NY style pizza....REAL NY style pizza....is the best. That being said, pizzas are like BJs...I haven't really had a BAD one.

You must not have tried some of what is called pizza in California....they make some nasty stuff in ca


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[TheKingpin28]

FM Pizza Places: Ole and Lena's in Rothsay has some damn good pizza

[POD Knows]

FM Pizza Places: Ole and Lena's in Rothsay has some damn good pizzaYou are a pizza idiot, please be quiet. I mean this sincerely. Ole and Lena's, OMG. You have no pizza credibility. Who the hell would market pizza under a Scandinavian name. It is terrible pizza, sorry, I have eaten it, it sucks ball compared to really good pizza. Can the mods please turn off Kingpin and any of his references to decent pizza, because it is clear, he has gone insane.

[dewey]

You are a pizza idiot, please be quiet. I mean this sincerely. Ole and Lena's, OMG. You have no pizza credibility. Who the hell would market pizza under a Scandinavian name. It is terrible pizza, sorry, I have eaten it, it sucks ball compared to really good pizza. Can the mods please turn off Kingpin and any of his references to decent pizza, because it is clear, he has gone insane.

Hey Kingpin I believe you have gotten POD Knows a little bit fired up. POD does pizza sucking a ball make it better than pizza that sucks balls?

LOL! Just busting your ball or ballsxlolx

Dewey

[POD Knows]

Hey Kingpin I believe you have gotten POD Knows a little bit fired up. POD does pizza sucking a ball make it better than pizza that sucks balls?

LOL! Just busting your ball or ballsxlolx

DeweyPretty funny, I am sure that you are the only one that caught that. BTW, sucking "ball" is a real deal I guess or something.

[cx500d]

Pfft.... pointless offseason discussion is pointless. Everyone knows the best pizza in the world is made at Pizza Hut.

Its OK....Certainly better than the unrolled breakfast burrito at Casey's.

[TheKingpin28]

You are a pizza idiot, please be quiet. I mean this sincerely. Ole and Lena's, OMG. You have no pizza credibility. Who the hell would market pizza under a Scandinavian name. It is terrible pizza, sorry, I have eaten it, it sucks ball compared to really good pizza. Can the mods please turn off Kingpin and any of his references to decent pizza, because it is clear, he has gone insane.

You have no idea what solid pizza should taste like. Let me guess, you would hate Punch Pizza, but claim that ****ty NY Style is the only way. This is one topic I will not back down from as we all know, you have no idea what pizza should taste like.


Hey Kingpin I believe you have gotten POD Knows a little bit fired up. POD does pizza sucking a ball make it better than pizza that sucks balls?

LOL! Just busting your ball or ballsxlolx

Dewey

He is becoming the Nickleback of Pizza, throwing the same crap out there and people eat it up even if it has the value of Little Caesar's. xnodx

#shotsfired

[cx500d]

You have no idea what solid pizza should taste like.
#shotsfired

The only solid Pizza you apparently have had is when you are pushing one out.

[TheKingpin28]

The only solid Pizza you apparently have had is when you are pushing one out.

So Geno's East and Punch are not pizza. This is why I have a problem with those East Coast snobs, as they have affected the mentality of America and its' inability to detect quality pizza from "NY pizza".

[cx500d]

So Geno's East and Punch are not pizza. This is why I have a problem with those East Coast snobs, as they have affected the mentality of America and its' inability to detect quality pizza from "NY pizza".

I can't say for sure what you are talking about. I haven't heard of those places.

[Bisonoline]

Daroo's in Fosston, MN is pretty darn good pizza. A lot better than Rhombus Guys.

Ive had Daroos in Clearbrook and it can be very good. Problem with the Clearbrook location is consistency.

[Bisonoline]

Casey's Breadfast Pizza, It will push a turd. That should be their slogan.

Yes it will. As a matter of fact it will put that turd on a fast track.

[TheKingpin28]

I can't say for sure what you are talking about. I haven't heard of those places.

Geno's East is by far the best Deep Dish Pizza in the US and Punch is the best Neapolitan in the Midwest that I have had.

[TheKingpin28]

Geno's East is by far the best Deep Dish Pizza in the US and Punch is the best Neapolitan in the Midwest that I have had.

Hell, even Nancy's in Wheaton is unreal for how good it is!

[Schism55]

Geno's East is by far the best Deep Dish Pizza in the US and Punch is the best Neapolitan in the Midwest that I have had.
This ^ Punch is fantastic. Loves me some Pizza Luce' as well.

[GodHelpTheBears]

What a website - I get triggered and cause a scene in a YSU thread then come here to find good pizza recs for my Chicago trip in a few weeks

[TheKingpin28]

This ^ Punch is fantastic. Loves me some Pizza Luce' as well.

Thank you. I venture to the one by Burger Jones about 1x a month since my buddy lives about 2 blocks away and it makes for an excellent time.

Luce is a solid choice as well. I get the Bear everytime.

[Thumper 76]

Its OK....Certainly better than the unrolled breakfast burrito at Casey's.

xsmhx ****ing Texans


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[cx500d]

What a website - I get triggered and cause a scene in a YSU thread then come here to find good pizza recs for my Chicago trip in a few weeks

I was trolling you in that other thread you know.


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[GodHelpTheBears]

I was trolling you in that other thread you know.


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Well, having read the last few pages of this I know you run multiple jug lines at once. Fair enough - throw me back, I'm all scales and flakes and I taste like a Goodyear tire.

[cx500d]

Well, having read the last few pages of this I know you run multiple jug lines at once. Fair enough - throw me back, I'm all scales and flakes and I taste like a Goodyear tire.

Hopefully the game warden isn't monitoring this site.....


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[uni88]

What a website - I get triggered and cause a scene in a YSU thread then come here to find good pizza recs for my Chicago trip in a few weeks
Kingpin is correct, Gino's East is awesome. Pizzeria Uno or Pizzeria Due are also very good. If you're in the suburbs and can't make it into the city then try and find a Lou Malnatis nearby.

[POD Knows]

If you have to eat pizza with a fork, it is no longer pizza, it is hotdish.

[uni88]

If you have to eat pizza with a fork, it is no longer pizza, it is hotdish.
Hotdish? xflaggedx 15 yard penalty and loss of argument!

[clenz]

If you have to eat pizza with a fork, it is no longer pizza, it is hotdish.
I'm not sure there is much that beats a hotdish.

Great, not I'm going to make like 4 hot dishes in the next week or two.

[POD Knows]

Hotdish? xflaggedx 15 yard penalty and loss of argument!Casserole??

[clenz]

Casserole??
Casserole has nothing on hot dish.

I think those outside of far northern Iowa, the Dakotas, Minnesota and parts of Wisconsin don't know the difference thought.

[cx500d]

I think those outside of far northern Iowa, the Dakotas, Minnesota and parts of Wisconsin don't know the difference thought.

True. If I say stuff like that in Texas I get blank stares.


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[ST_Lawson]

Casserole has nothing on hot dish.

I think those outside of far northern Iowa, the Dakotas, Minnesota and parts of Wisconsin don't know the difference thought.

hot dish.....drool
when I was marching drum corps, the corps was based out of Dubuque, so a lot of the people I marched with were from those areas...which meant that the parents who were often the volunteer cooks were also from those areas. I have fond memories of giant foil pans full of the stuff...

https://i.imgur.com/CAkD9Lb.jpg

[Bisonator]

Somebody say hotdish?
https://wendycarson.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/tater-tot-hot-dish-11-small-small.jpg

[POD Knows]

hot dish.....drool
when I was marching drum corps, the corps was based out of Dubuque, so a lot of the people I marched with were from those areas...which meant that the parents who were often the volunteer cooks were also from those areas. I have fond memories of giant foil pans full of the stuff...

https://i.imgur.com/CAkD9Lb.jpgSome misguided people think that if they would have put some type of crust at the bottom of this, it somehow turns into pizza, it isn't, it is hotdish with a crust bottom, much like deep dish non-pizza

[Bisonator]

[QUOTE=ST_Lawson;2500862]hot dish.....drool
when I was marching drum corps, the corps was based out of Dubuque, so a lot of the people I marched with were from those areas...which meant that the parents who were often the volunteer cooks were also from those areas. I have fond memories of giant foil pans full of the stuff...[;QUOTE]
Lol you beat me to it.

[ST_Lawson]

Not to get us off-topic, but the MVFC preseason poll was just released this morning: http://valley-football.org/news/2017/7/24/football-north-dakota-state-south-dakota-state-atop-mvfc-pre-season-poll.aspx

2017 Valley Football Preseason Poll
Team (first-place votes) Points
1. North Dakota State (21) 380
2. South Dakota State (19) 379
3. Youngstown State 290
4. UNI 255
5. Illinois State 246
6. Western Illinois 188
7. South Dakota 182
8. Southern Illinois 132
9. Missouri State 81
10. Indiana State 67

Only one point separating NDSU and SDSU.

[Professor Chaos]

Not to get us off-topic, but the MVFC preseason poll was just released this morning: http://valley-football.org/news/2017/7/24/football-north-dakota-state-south-dakota-state-atop-mvfc-pre-season-poll.aspx

2017 Valley Football Preseason Poll
Team (first-place votes) Points
1. North Dakota State (21) 380
2. South Dakota State (19) 379
3. Youngstown State 290
4. UNI 255
5. Illinois State 246
6. Western Illinois 188
7. South Dakota 182
8. Southern Illinois 132
9. Missouri State 81
10. Indiana State 67

Only one point separating NDSU and SDSU.
YSU and UNI overrated. IlSU and USD underrated. xtwocentsx

[Thumper 76]

Not to get us off-topic, but the MVFC preseason poll was just released this morning: http://valley-football.org/news/2017/7/24/football-north-dakota-state-south-dakota-state-atop-mvfc-pre-season-poll.aspx

2017 Valley Football Preseason Poll
Team (first-place votes) Points
1. North Dakota State (21) 380
2. South Dakota State (19) 379
3. Youngstown State 290
4. UNI 255
5. Illinois State 246
6. Western Illinois 188
7. South Dakota 182
8. Southern Illinois 132
9. Missouri State 81
10. Indiana State 67

Only one point separating NDSU and SDSU.

Each team had an equal number of pre season All Conference selections as well I believe.


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[dewey]

Each team had an equal number of pre season All Conference selections as well I believe.


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Here is the full list;

http://www.valley-football.org/news/2017/7/23/valley-football-announces-2017-pre-season-team.aspx

2017 Missouri Valley Football Conference Preseason Team
QB - Taryn Christion, South Dakota State
RB - Lance Dunn (http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7398), North Dakota State
RB - Steve McShane, Western Illinois
RB - Brady Mengarelli, South Dakota State
FB - Kane Louscher, South Dakota State
WR - Malik Earl, Missouri State
WR - Spencer Schnell, Illinois State
WR - Jake Wieneke, South Dakota State
TE - Dallas Goedert, South Dakota State
OL - Jacob Judd, Western Illinois
OL - Charlie Harmon, South Dakota State
OL - Vitas Hrynkiewicz, Youngstown State
OL - Jacob Ohnesorge, South Dakota State
OL - Austin Olsen, Southern Illinois
OL - Justin Spencer, Youngstown State
LS - James Fisher (http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7402), North Dakota State
PK - Jerry Nunez, Indiana State

DL - Colby Isbell, Missouri State
DL - Dalton Keene, Illinois State
DL - Greg Menard (http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7430), North Dakota State
DL - Kellen Soulek, South Dakota State
DL - Nate Tanguay (http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7453), North Dakota State
LB - Armand Dellovade, Youngstown State
LB - Nick DeLuca (http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7395), North Dakota State
LB - Jared Farley, Northern Iowa
LB - Christian Rozeboom, South Dakota State
LB - Brett Taylor, Western Illinois
DB - Tre Dempsey (http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7396), North Dakota State
DB - Robbie Grimsley (http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7406), North Dakota State
DB - Davontae Harris, Illinois State
DB - Alec Kocour, Illinois State
DB - Malcolm Washington, Northern Iowa
P - Mark Schuler, Youngstown State
RS - Deion Holliman, Missouri State

Honorable Mention: QB Chris Streveler, USD; QB Sean McGuire, WIU; RB Trevor Allen, UNI; RB LeMonte Booker, INS; FB Hans Carmien, SIU; WR Connor Iwema, SIU; WR Darrius Shepherd (http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7450), NDSU; WR RJ Urzendowski (http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7457), NDSU; LS Brandon Godsey, USD; OL Coleman Clanton, MSU; OL Austin Kuhnert (http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7426), NDSU; OL Cal Twait, UNI; PK Sean Slattery, ILS; DL Khalen Saunders, WIU; LB McNeece Egbim, MSU; LB Quentin Moon, WIU; DB Elijah Campbell, UNI; DB Jeremy Chinn, SIU; DB Craig James, SIU; DB Danny Rambo, USD; P Brady Hale, SDSU; P Sam Kuhter, UNI; RS DJ Davis, SIU; RS Jalen Rima, UNI.

Here is a list of players on the preseason team by school.
Total picks (First Team denoted in parentheses), includes honorable mentions, by school:
Illinois State - 5 (4); Indiana State - 2 (1); Missouri State - 5 (3); North Dakota State - 10 (7)
Northern Iowa - 7 (2); South Dakota - 3 (0); South Dakota State - 10 (9); Southern Illinois - 6 (1);
Western Illinois - 6 (3); Youngstown State - 4 (4).

You are correct Thumper in that both NDSU and SDSU have 10 players on the preseason team.

Dewey

[Bisonator]

When's the last time either NDSU or UNI didn't have an olineman on the team????

[CappinHard]

All aboard the SDSU hype train... last stop - Frisco, TX.

http://i1.wp.com/bcarr.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/bcdm_hypetrain.png

[BisonTru]

Not to get us off-topic, but the MVFC preseason poll was just released this morning: http://valley-football.org/news/2017/7/24/football-north-dakota-state-south-dakota-state-atop-mvfc-pre-season-poll.aspx

2017 Valley Football Preseason Poll
Team (first-place votes) Points
1. North Dakota State (21) 380
2. South Dakota State (19) 379
3. Youngstown State 290
4. UNI 255
5. Illinois State 246
6. Western Illinois 188
7. South Dakota 182
8. Southern Illinois 132
9. Missouri State 81
10. Indiana State 67

Only one point separating NDSU and SDSU.

Swap WIU and UNI and then it looks good to me.

[Yote 53]

All aboard the SDSU hype train... last stop - Frisco, TX.

http://i1.wp.com/bcarr.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/bcdm_hypetrain.png

Except that SDSU has the history of being the car in that picture.

Jacks aren't going to live up to the hype. Calling it now, they'll have a good season but it won't be near where the pre-season experts think it will be. The next season that SDSU lives up to the hype will be the first.

[Thumper 76]

Except that SDSU has the history of being the car in that picture.

Jacks aren't going to live up to the hype. Calling it now, they'll have a good season but it won't be near where the pre-season experts think it will be. The next season that SDSU lives up to the hype will be the first.

When your expectations are for something you attain (like making the natty) compared to something you avoid (like MVFC cellar, brought to you by the USeD Varmints), I imagine it would seem easy to hit expectations year after year.

Calling it now, a .500 conference record still eludes the yoties.


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[IBleedYellow]

When your expectations are for something you attain (like making the natty) compared to something you avoid (like MVFC cellar, brought to you by the USeD Varmints), I imagine it would seem easy to hit expectations year after year.

Calling it now, a .500 conference record still eludes the yoties.


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He kind of has a point, Thump.

Y'all haven't ever actually lived up to expectations. xwhistlex



Records are meant to be broken, though.

[CappinHard]

Except that SDSU has the history of being the car in that picture.

Jacks aren't going to live up to the hype. Calling it now, they'll have a good season but it won't be near where the pre-season experts think it will be. The next season that SDSU lives up to the hype will be the first.

Have expectations ever been this high heading into a season? I don't recall the last time SDSU was considered national title contenders before the season started. I also don't recall the last time USD made it to the playoffs, but that's another story.

Since we're talking about preseason expectations...

year - preseason, result
2016 - 3rd, T-1st
2015 - 5th, T-3rd
2014 - 2nd, 4th
2013 - 2nd, T-2nd
2012 - 6th, 2nd
2011 - 4th, T-4th
2010 - 2nd, T-3rd
2009 - 3rd, 2nd
2008 - 6th, 3rd

Idk about you, but I see a trend there. If your USeD education fails you, pm me and we can set up a one on one session for me to explain it to you.

https://media.giphy.com/media/26tn94PufahcrNOlW/giphy.gif

[Thumper 76]

Have expectations ever been this high heading into a season? I don't recall the last time SDSU was considered national title contenders before the season started. I also don't recall the last time USD made it to the playoffs, but that's another story.

Since we're talking about preseason expectations...

year - preseason, result
2016 - 3rd, T-1st
2015 - 5th, T-3rd
2014 - 2nd, 4th
2013 - 2nd, T-2nd
2012 - 6th, 2nd
2011 - 4th, T-4th
2010 - 2nd, T-3rd
2009 - 3rd, 2nd
2008 - 6th, 3rd

Idk about you, but I see a trend there. If your USeD education fails you, pm me and we can set up a one on one session for me to explain it to you.

https://media.giphy.com/media/26tn94PufahcrNOlW/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/CV61LRKyQf6P6/200.gif



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[RabidRabbit]

SDSU is the only school in the upper half every year they been in MVFC. Even NDSU was bottom half once.


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[TheKingpin28]

SDSU is the only school in the upper half every year they been in MVFC. Even NDSU was bottom half once.


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Give it enough time and everyone can be mediocre. :D

Champions separate themselves from the rest of the group, something SDSU still has yet to figure out.

[CappinHard]

Give it enough time and everyone can be mediocre. :D

Champions separate themselves from the rest of the group, something SDSU still has yet to figure out.

Ah, the old eternal trump card derived from National Championships. Don't get me wrong, I'm jealous and I wish I had one of those, but at some point you're going to look like Notre Dame fans claiming eternal greatness for something that happened years ago... or even worse... Nebraska fans. You're going to end up firing coaches that make the playoffs every year and keep repeating "oh gee golly dontchaknow anything short of a ship is a failure coach" (that's how you guys talk, right?).

[IBleedYellow]

Ah, the old eternal trump card derived from National Championships. Don't get me wrong, I'm jealous and I wish I had one of those, but at some point you're going to look like Notre Dame fans claiming eternal greatness for something that happened years ago... or even worse... Nebraska fans. You're going to end up firing coaches that make the playoffs every year and keep repeating "oh gee golly dontchaknow anything short of a ship is a failure coach" (that's how you guys talk, right?).


Yeah. Anything less than a 'ship is a failure. That's why we have 13 of 'em.

:D

[TheKingpin28]

Ah, the old eternal trump card derived from National Championships. Don't get me wrong, I'm jealous and I wish I had one of those, but at some point you're going to look like Notre Dame fans claiming eternal greatness for something that happened years ago... or even worse... Nebraska fans. You're going to end up firing coaches that make the playoffs every year and keep repeating "oh gee golly dontchaknow anything short of a ship is a failure coach" (that's how you guys talk, right?).


Yeah. Anything less than a 'ship is a failure. That's why we have 13 of 'em.

:D

Beat me to it.

When a program gets a taste of greatness, why settle for anything less? The goal is to win, otherwise, why field a program like football when one can cut it and allocate other athletic funds elsewhere?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Ill State will be 3rd IMO. YSU overrated. USD needs to have defensive improvement to finish in the upper half.

[CappinHard]

Ill State will be 3rd IMO. YSU overrated. USD needs to have miracle to finish in the upper half.

fify

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Kuhnert should have a first team OL. Jacks use a fullback? Didn't know that.

[IBleedYellow]

Beat me to it.

When a program gets a taste of greatness, why settle for anything less? The goal is to win, otherwise, why field a program like football when one can cut it and allocate other athletic funds elsewhere?


I mean...I was actually saying mine as a tongue and cheek joke. Cause he clearly was fishin'.

[TheKingpin28]

I mean...I was actually saying mine as a tongue and cheek joke. Cause he clearly was fishin'.

Sometimes it can be hard to tell when someone is fishing vs being serious on this board.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

fify


USD is upward trending IMO. Their run defense was horrible last year so that needs to improve dramatically in order to win the Valley.

[CappinHard]

Kuhnert should have a first team OL. Jacks use a fullback? Didn't know that.

Quite a bit actually. Especially when we run our favorite package... The Wildcat. xbawlingx Here's to hoping we don't see that at all this year.

[GodHelpTheBears]

9th is fair, I think that's where we will end up. We may have a better team that finishes with a worse record. I think Stec will do well to get back to four wins considering our schedule and the state of our roster. 2018 needs to become something, though.