NIU leading the call for G5 playoff

[OSBF]

http://csnbbs.com/thread-803784-post-13948964.html#pid13948964

interesting idea
more or less would create something like FCS with more scholarships

[citdog]

http://csnbbs.com/thread-803784-post-13948964.html#pid13948964

interesting idea
more or less would create something like FCS with more scholarships


It's what is going to happen eventually anyway. That is why Pigs Ass, GA and those goat humpers up in Boone are so DUMB.

[Grizalltheway]

You gotta love this delusion.


"The answer is an emphatic no," Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18369921/growing-number-group-5-officials-considering-playoff-non-power-5-teams

[Daytripper]

And so it begins....

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/report-some-group-of-five-schools-considering-starting-their-own-playoff/

Northern Illinois (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/teams/page/NILL/n-illinois-huskies) athletic director Sean Frazier told ESPN.com that there's growing momentum among officials at Group of Five schools to start their own playoff just for the Group of Five (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18369921/growing-number-group-5-officials-considering-playoff-non-power-5-teams).
"It's time to have a realistic conversation about creating a playoff for the Group of 5," Frazier told ESPN. "Why not? There is absolutely no ability for us (teams in the Group of 5) to be in that national title conversation. That's just reality. Anyone that says we can: that's a flat-out lie."

[citdog]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?190302-NIU-leading-the-call-for-G5-playoff

[Daytripper]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?190302-NIU-leading-the-call-for-G5-playoff

My bad. Mods should delete this thread....

[Daytripper]

If this happens, then and only then, would I be in favor of SHSU moving up.

[walliver]

Very few G5 schools are willing to admit that they aren't at the same level as the P5 and are holding out for a 16-team playoff where every conference gets a bid - it isn't going to happen, but they hold out hope. Also, the AAC still dreams of the Big East glory days back when Pitt, Miami and BC had great teams and still looks down on the lesser conferences and has hopes of returning to the big time.

The MAC seems to be the only G5 conference that acknowledges the reality that the G5 is not at the level of the P5. The rest all seem to have the attitudes of the un-named AD's quoted near the end of the article who rejected the idea out of hand.

[Bisonator]

If this happens, then and only then, would I be in favor of SHSU moving up.
Exactly and you'll see many others with the same attitude. They need to just lump the G5 and top tier FCS together and keep our 24 team PO. Let the Ivies, MEAC, SWAC and non-schollies play with themselves.

[reeder]

Bad idea IMO. There'd be minimal interest and they'd confuse their recruits. There's an illusion that because these schools are FBS, they're on the same level as the P5 schools. Having a separate playoff kills that illusion. They're better off keeping things the way they are. The next step after that is they'll be torn about playing P5 schools because while they want the check, a bad loss would hurt their playoff chances...

This is almost like the mid major championship years ago with the NEC and Pioneer league - gave the players something to play for but made it clear that they weren't on the same level as the rest of FCS.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

My bad. Mods should delete this thread....

I merged it.

You also placed it on the FCSD board but this is not FCS just so we avoid that one in the future.

[walliver]

There seems to be little support for this outside the MAC. To be honest, such a scheme would make non-P5 FBS quite irrelevant. FCS with 22 additional scholarships would still be FCS.

It makes no sense to assume that ratings for a G5 playoff would be much higher than ratings for FCS, D2, or D3. Outside of the Academies and BYU, G5 schools don't have much national following.

I don't see this happening.

[clenz]

The split is coming.

This is the start, albeit early start, of what former UNI AD said would happen.

Discontent will grow between most G5 and P5 schools. A few G5s will join the P5.

The rest will start a new subdivision, probably with 75ish scholarships. The new FCS. They will be joined by a few dozen current fcs schools.

The rest of the fcs that doesn't want to split will be D1 some dumb abbreviation.


Dannen always said we'd see it start by 2018 and this is the very first warning shot from the very back of the formation. I don't think he was wrong. I think we see it start to be on the precipice of happening by 2020 or 2021.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

There seems to be little support for this outside the MAC. To be honest, such a scheme would make non-P5 FBS quite irrelevant. FCS with 22 additional scholarships would still be FCS.

It makes no sense to assume that ratings for a G5 playoff would be much higher than ratings for FCS, D2, or D3. Outside of the Academies and BYU, G5 schools don't have much national following.

I don't see this happening.

I don't either right away. The debate will increase and will continue to gain some traction over time (don't know how long really) but the fact that the MAC realizes it means maybe others will look at it when they become comfortable with the fact that they are on a different level than the P5.

Maybe not, but I think we will see some entertaining and good discussions on it.

[FargoBison]

When you have 10k people at your bowl games, ADs start to realize the end is probably near. Eventually these games aren't going to be worth it anymore.

The FCS playoffs get decent ratings. The NCAA just has no idea to sell it, a G5 playoff with the NCAA not involved at all sounds like heaven to me.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

And so it begins....

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/report-some-group-of-five-schools-considering-starting-their-own-playoff/

Northern Illinois (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/teams/page/NILL/n-illinois-huskies) athletic director Sean Frazier told ESPN.com that there's growing momentum among officials at Group of Five schools to start their own playoff just for the Group of Five (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18369921/growing-number-group-5-officials-considering-playoff-non-power-5-teams).
"It's time to have a realistic conversation about creating a playoff for the Group of 5," Frazier told ESPN. "Why not? There is absolutely no ability for us (teams in the Group of 5) to be in that national title conversation. That's just reality. Anyone that says we can: that's a flat-out lie."




I would bet money that he can't find five G5 ADs that support this idea. The AAC is not going to concede they are not on par with the Power 5 and join the rest of the G5 for a separate post-season. And the MAC, SBC, and CUSA know the G5 playoff will mean less post-season money than they get from the CFP.

The Access Bowl and the system of CFP payouts (from which the G5 get more money from than the BCS) wasn't created out of generosity. The Power 5 doesn't want a judge setting NCAA policies from a anti-trust lawsuit.

[Bisonator]

The split is coming.

This is the start, albeit early start, of what former UNI AD said would happen.

Discontent will grow between most G5 and P5 schools. A few G5s will join the P5.

The rest will start a new subdivision, probably with 75ish scholarships. The new FCS. They will be joined by a few dozen current fcs schools.

The rest of the fcs that doesn't want to split will be D1 some dumb abbreviation.


Dannen always said we'd see it start by 2018 and this is the very first warning shot from the very back of the formation. I don't think he was wrong. I think we see it start to be on the precipice of happening by 2020 or 2021.
This
is what most of our AD's expect as well. The G5 is just now starting to be pinched by the TV money reductions. It'll only get worse and more will see the writing on the wall. There really is no point in spending like the G5 are without the fruits that the P5 are getting. Eventually there will be 3 D1 football sub-divisions:

D1 - P5 and enough top tier G5's to fill out even conferences, probably about 80 total schools

D1a - The remaining G5's and the top tier FCS conferences who want a legit 24 team PO field, probably another 80 schools

D1b - The Ivies, MEAC, SWAC and non-schollies who prefer to play with themselves.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

This
is what most of our AD's expect as well. The G5 is just now starting to be pinched by the TV money reductions. It'll only get worse and more will see the writing on the wall. There really is no point in spending like the G5 are without the fruits that the P5 are getting. Eventually there will be 3 D1 football sub-divisions:

D1 - P5 and enough top tier G5's to fill out even conferences, probably about 80 total schools

D1a - The remaining G5's and the top tier FCS conferences who want a legit 24 team PO field, probably another 80 schools

D1b - The Ivies, MEAC, SWAC and non-schollies who prefer to play with themselves.

This is a myth. The MAC's renegotiated deal last year was they highest they ever got, and the Sun Belt's deal is expected to increase in 2018. The only G5 conference whose deal tanked was the CUSA, and that's because they replaced teams like Houston, UCF, and USF with the likes of FAU, FIU, and Charlotte.

What most of the G5 gets from TV isn't that significant anyways. I said this on CS.com and I'll repeat it here...the Sun Belt last year made over a million dollars in profits per team. And that was while finishing dead last in the CFP conference ratings. There is no way in hell a G5 playoff is going to generate that kind of windfall for the G5 conferences.

You might hear one or two G5 athletic directors ***** and moan every once in a while, but in the end they aren't going to go anywhere.

[OSBF]

This is a myth. The MAC's renegotiated deal last year was they highest they ever got, and the Sun Belt's deal is expected to increase in 2018. The only G5 conference whose deal tanked was the CUSA, and that's because they replaced teams like Houston, UCF, and USF with the likes of FAU, FIU, and Charlotte.

What most of the G5 gets from TV isn't that significant anyways. I said this on CS.com and I'll repeat it here...the Sun Belt last year made over a million dollars in profits per team. And that was while finishing dead last in the CFP conference ratings. There is no way in hell a G5 playoff is going to generate that kind of windfall for the G5 conferences.

You might hear one or two G5 athletic directors ***** and moan every once in a while, but in the end they aren't going to go anywhere.

Illinois spends that much a season on helmet decals
a million bucks is nothing

[alexale23]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18369921/growing-number-group-5-officials-considering-playoff-non-power-5-teams



Interesting story if this happens....Would your FCS team be more willing to jump to FBS knowing it could compete for that title.. Personally I don't think it will happen.. They are just applying pressure to expand the current 4 team playoff.

[Sycamore62]

i remember when they had this the first time. I think they called it Div 1AA

[Professor Chaos]

There's so much ignorance in that article from "G5 officials" who think that they're on the level with the P5. I'd like to know what la-la land these guys live in:


"Absolutely would not want a separate playoff," said a Group of 5 AD, "and I can't put enough exclamation points behind that."


"The answer is an emphatic no," [AAC commissioner] Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."


"You mean compete for a junior varsity championship?" one Group of 5 AD said. "No thanks."

At least the NIU AD lives in reality.

[alexale23]

i remember when they had this the first time. I think they called it Div 1AA
Ha yeh no doubt.. All the good 1aa programs will move up which will effectecly make those playoffs the new 1aa... and our playoffs the 1aaa.Which actually is a good idea if the fcs top programs can get more money and exposure....but honestly just think this is leverage to expand the fbs field to 8 teams.... even though should be 16.... but baby steps

[Lehigh Football Nation]

There's so much ignorance in that article from "G5 officials" who think that they're on the level with the P5. I'd like to know what la-la land these guys live in:

At least the NIU AD lives in reality.

Maybe they're looking for ambassadorships in Trump's administration.

[clenz]

When you have 10k people at your bowl games, ADs start to realize the end is probably near. Eventually these games aren't going to be worth it anymore.

The FCS playoffs get decent ratings. The NCAA just has no idea to sell it, a G5 playoff with the NCAA not involved at all sounds like heaven to me.
Meh...bowl games are made for TV and the bigger donors that can afford the trip.

Bowl attendance at 95% of the bowls is meaningless

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Illinois spends that much a season on helmet decals
a million bucks is nothing

For teams with athletic budgets in the low 8 figures or less (which is pretty much most of the G5 and all FCS programs) a million bucks isn't "nothing". Compare that to the FCS playoffs which the revenue does not even match the costs.

A million bucks is less money than FCS teams get for playing FBS teams. You aren't going to tell FCS teams that need the games that a million bucks is "nothing".

[citdog]

Maybe they're looking for ambassadorships in Trump's administration.


"Hillary In a Landslide"

[OSBF]

For teams with athletic budgets in the low 8 figures or less (which is pretty much most of the G5 and all FCS programs) a million bucks isn't "nothing". Compare that to the FCS playoffs which the revenue does not even match the costs.

A million bucks is less money than FCS teams get for playing FBS teams. You aren't going to tell FCS teams that need the games that a million bucks is "nothing".

in the world of bigtime college football a million bucks doesn't mean much

to the lower levels, it may be something

point being, the lower tiers will never be allowed to compete on a level playing field with the p5

stop trying
more importantly, stop spending like your ohio state when the sticker on the side of your helmet says western kenyucky

[Bison56]

"The answer is an emphatic no," [AAC commissioner] Aresco said. "We compete for national championships like anyone else in FBS, including the Power 5, and have no interest in any kind of separate championship."

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

If this is about FBS as the title suggests then it sure doesn't go on the FCS board. Please make a note to put the threads like this one on the "Other sports" board.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

in the world of bigtime college football a million bucks doesn't mean much

to the lower levels, it may be something

point being, the lower tiers will never be allowed to compete on a level playing field with the p5

stop trying
more importantly, stop spending like your ohio state when the sticker on the side of your helmet says western kenyucky

Yeah OSBF, but the G5 ain't Ohio State or Alabama, and a million bucks is a nice chunk of change and we won't get that much money from a G5 playoff. Hence why it does not make economic sense to voluntarily create our own postseason.

This may come as a surprise to some here, but when most presidents make the decision to move from FCS to FBS they are under no real delusion they have a realistic chance to win a national championship, even if they don't publicly admit it. There are other economic considerations to make.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I would prefer that only G5 conference champions make bowls. It would put a premium on excellence rather then receiving what's basically a participation trophy/obscure bowl invite. As it is, if you're a G5 program the best way to make headlines is via regular season wins. Houston's wins over Oklahoma and Louisville matter far more than their loss to SDSU in the Las Vegas Bowl.

I could easily live with 10-15 fewer bowls for better matchups.

Mike Aresco has the AAC teams put the "P6" sticker on their helmet. I find that a bit comical. There's no reason to try and fool everyone as to where the conference stands. We're the best of the castaways and nothing more.

[OSBF]

Yeah OSBF, but the G5 ain't Ohio State or Alabama, and a million bucks is a nice chunk of change and we won't get that much money from a G5 playoff. Hence why it does not make economic sense to voluntarily create our own postseason.

This may come as a surprise to some here, but when most presidents make the decision to move from FCS to FBS they are under no real delusion they have a realistic chance to win a national championship, even if they don't publicly admit it. There are other economic considerations to make.

Bowls don't make money either.
Most ppl don't understand how the bowl payout thing REALLY works
Bowls COST a school, they don't MAKE money, or at least, very few do
And I promise you a bowl game costs more than UNI getting on a couple charters headed for Bozeman

How bowl payouts really work explained
A team from a conference of 10 is invited to a minor bowl with a $2M payout
The conference takes the $2M and divides it into 11 pieces
Every team in the conference gets 1/11th of the payout, except the team receiving the invite gets the extra piece
So now you've got a 2/11th share of the $2M bowl payout
And you've got to get everything and everybody you need to play a game halfway across the country for a week

The only folks involved in Bowls that make coin are the promoters

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Bowls don't make money either.
Most ppl don't understand how the bowl payout thing REALLY works
Bowls COST a school, they don't MAKE money, or at least, very few do
And I promise you a bowl game costs more than UNI getting on a couple charters headed for Bozeman

How bowl payouts really work explained
A team from a conference of 10 is invited to a minor bowl with a $2M payout
The conference takes the $2M and divides it into 11 pieces
Every team in the conference gets 1/10th of the payout, except the team receiving the invite gets the "extra" 1/10th
So now you've got a 2/10th share of the $2M bowl payout
And you've got to get everything and everybody you need to play a game halfway across the country for a week

The only folks involved in Bowls that make coin are the promoters

You do know that Bowl payouts and the CFP payout are two different things, right?

Per-school profit from CFP for 2015 (http://www.scout.com/college/arkansas-state/story/1664770-g5-bowl-profits)
Information about revenue distribution from CFP (http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/revenue-distribution)

[Thumper 76]

This is a myth. The MAC's renegotiated deal last year was they highest they ever got, and the Sun Belt's deal is expected to increase in 2018. The only G5 conference whose deal tanked was the CUSA, and that's because they replaced teams like Houston, UCF, and USF with the likes of FAU, FIU, and Charlotte.

What most of the G5 gets from TV isn't that significant anyways. I said this on CS.com and I'll repeat it here...the Sun Belt last year made over a million dollars in profits per team. And that was while finishing dead last in the CFP conference ratings. There is no way in hell a G5 playoff is going to generate that kind of windfall for the G5 conferences.

You might hear one or two G5 athletic directors ***** and moan every once in a while, but in the end they aren't going to go anywhere.

xlolx somehow you expect the Belch to get more money than CUSA? What major draws are in the Sun Belt compared to CUSA? Dying to know.


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[OSBF]

You do know that Bowl payouts and the CFP payout are two different things, right?

Per-school profit from CFP for 2015 (http://www.scout.com/college/arkansas-state/story/1664770-g5-bowl-profits)
Information about revenue distribution from CFP (http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/revenue-distribution)

and again, in bigtime college football a million bucks don't mean anything

places like Michigan and alabame spend that on urinal cakes

let the p5 go and play their big money game

flush the bowls, bring on the playoff

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

and again, in bigtime college football a million bucks don't mean anything

places like Michigan and alabame spend that on urinal cakes

let the p5 go and play their big money game

flush the bowls, bring on the playoff

For the second time, I'm not talking about the big boys. I'm talking about the G5. It is not in the G5's best interest to have their own post-season because they're getting lots of cash from the CFP, more than they get from the BCS system.

[citdog]

xlolx somehow you expect the Belch to get more money than CUSA? What major draws are in the Sun Belt compared to CUSA? Dying to know.


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Who doesn't want to vacation in Pigs Ass, Ga????

[Thumper 76]

For the second time, I'm not talking about the big boys. I'm talking about the G5. It is not in the G5's best interest to have their own post-season because they're getting lots of cash from the CFP, more than they get from the BCS system.

A live look at the G5 asking the P5 schools if they can have a team in the CFP:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161229/da278eda671685e2398c09594d8c2acc.jpg


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[Thumper 76]

Gotta admit it's a hell of a racket the P5 schools have. Have all the money that enticed the G5 schools to move up and get to keep them in line because it's too expensive in FBS for the G5 schools not to take the scraps the P5 throws them. Like a pimp getting a hooker addicted to drugs to control them.


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[Nor Eastern]

xlolx somehow you expect the Belch to get more money than CUSA? What major draws are in the Sun Belt compared to CUSA? Dying to know.


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The Sun Belt will get more of the $60 million CFP payout this year than the CUSA and MAC. Probably more than the MWC too

[Thumper 76]

The Sun Belt will get more of the $60 million CFP payout this year than the CUSA and MAC. Probably more than the MWC too

Was talking TV money


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[DaBizon]

Gotta admit it's a hell of a racket the P5 schools have. Have all the money that enticed the G5 schools to move up and get to keep them in line because it's too expensive in FBS for the G5 schools not to take the scraps the P5 throws them. Like a pimp getting a hooker addicted to drugs to control them.


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the Bunny Lover nailed it

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[WestCoastAggie]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18369921/growing-number-group-5-officials-considering-playoff-non-power-5-teams

This may further entice FCS Schools to move up.

Honestly, a true reshuffling of the deck is needed with teams finally allowed to have different sports in different divisions.

[Gangtackle11]

Makes a lot of sense vs. watching the New Mexico bowl in mid December.

[DFW HOYA]

So what would happen if a group of conferences in this subdivision did the same thing, specifically:

Big Sky
CAA
MVFC
Southern
Southland

[WestCoastAggie]

So what would happen if a group of conferences in this subdivision did the same thing, specifically:

Big Sky
CAA
MVFC
Southern
Southland

Jax State & the OVC would be pissed! xcoffeex

[RootinFerDukes]

So what would happen if a group of conferences in this subdivision did the same thing, specifically:

Big Sky
CAA
MVFC
Southern
Southland

We have that now. It's called the FCS playoffs.

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

We have that now. It's called the second round of the FCS playoffs.

Fixed it for you

[Professor Chaos]

Well, this will be about the 15th thread this week merged into this one on the "Other Sports" forum...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?190302-NIU-leading-the-call-for-G5-playoff

[Thumper 76]

Well, this will be about the 15th thread this week merged into this one on the "Other Sports" forum...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?190302-NIU-leading-the-call-for-G5-playoff

No kidding xlolx


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[Bogus Megapardus]

So what would happen if a group of conferences in this subdivision did the same thing, specifically:

Big Sky
CAA
MVFC
Southern
Southland

Then, at long last, we could have the Ivy vs. PL playoff we all so richly deserve. xnodx

[Bisonoline]

Then, at long last, we could have the Ivy vs. PL playoff we all so richly deserve. xnodx


xthumbsupx xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18369921/growing-number-group-5-officials-considering-playoff-non-power-5-teams

This may further entice FCS Schools to move up.

Honestly, a true reshuffling of the deck is needed with teams finally allowed to have different sports in different divisions.

Look, I'm glad you bring the thread here as well as all others but at this point I've done this same dance about 5 times now. This is not FCS. Why do you guys keep putting it here as opposed to looking in the forum where it should be?

This board is for FCS topics so please keep that in mind going forward if you would.

[citdog]

Look, I'm glad you bring the thread here as well as all others but at this point I've done this same dance about 5 times now. This is not FCS. Why do you guys keep putting it here as opposed to looking in the forum where it should be?

This board is for FCS topics so please keep that in mind going forward if you would.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPwxqy11MrI

[superman7515]

This would only further the perception that the G5 schools are lesser than their P4 + Big 12 counterparts.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

This would only further the perception that the G5 schools are lesser than their P4 + Big 12 counterparts.

I dunno...The AAC gets a lot of mileage out of those Aresco P6 stickers on the helmet...:D

[OSBF]

This would only further the perception that the G5 schools are lesser than their P4 + Big 12 counterparts.

it isn't perception, its a cold harsh reality

the playing field is not set up to be equal, never will be

only p5 programs will ever be allowed to win national championships

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

it isn't perception, its a cold harsh reality

the playing field is not set up to be equal, never will be

only p5 programs will ever be allowed to win national championships

I'm not totally convinced of that. There's a few G5 schools that would make for an attractive cinderella and create a unique buzz for the playoffs. Boise State easily could have made the BCS title game in 2010 had their kicker not choked. No one would have complained if that happened. The stars would have to align in terms of OOC schedule and other conferences. But if the team has the resume along with loveability/marketability then there's a chance. Houston would have had a legit shot this year if they were undefeated imo.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

it isn't perception, its a cold harsh reality

the playing field is not set up to be equal, never will be

only p5 programs will ever be allowed to win national championships

And here I thought the Power 5 dominated the national championships because they have larger fan bases, more valuable media rights and more money, better facilities, and generally more coveted athletic scholarships than the Group of 5 schools. If we could just somehow shake off the rigged system I just know a G5 program whose entire athletic budget is less than some P5s spend on football could sniff a national title.


I'm not totally convinced of that. There's a few G5 schools that would make for an attractive cinderella and create a unique buzz for the playoffs. Boise State easily could have made the BCS title game in 2010 had their kicker not choked. No one would have complained if that happened. The stars would have to align in terms of OOC schedule and other conferences. But if the team has the resume along with loveability/marketability then there's a chance. Houston would have had a legit shot this year if they were undefeated imo.

If you had a season like 2009 and Boise State was left out of the playoffs then I might be a little more credulous a G5 team isn't going to get into the playoff no matter what.