G5 Bowls!!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Temple goes 10-3, wins the AAC title and their reward? A bowl game in against 6-6 Wake Forest!! I have no problem with it simply because that's the way the cookie crumbles but at the core of it, the matchup is a complete joke.

I have honestly no clue why schools move up to be part of the charade. The bowl system is flawed (err, corrupt) beyond belief.

[Laker]

Temple goes 10-3, wins the AAC title and their reward? A bowl game in against 6-6 Wake Forest!! I have no problem with it simply because that's the way the cookie crumbles but at the core of it, the matchup is a complete joke.

I have honestly no clue why schools move up to be part of the charade. The bowl system is flawed (err, corrupt) beyond belief.

I've
heard people say that they don't want to expand the playoffs to eight teams because it will destroy the integrity of the bowel system. That ship sailed when they let 6-6 teams into bowls. And once they let 5-7 teams in- three last year, North Texas this year- they prove that they have no shame.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I've
heard people say that they don't want to expand the playoffs to eight teams because it will destroy the integrity of the bowel system. That ship sailed when they let 6-6 teams into bowls. And once they let 5-7 teams in- three last year, North Texas this year- they prove that they have no shame.

The bowl system is terrible and it's likely to get worse in 2019 when the G5 schools are further squeezed out of tie-ins. There's only 1 G5 team each year that gets truly rewarded for their season. This year that team is WMU. The rest are just plugged into irrelevant bowls that no one cares about.

Glad Temple hoops has turned it around! At least we have a shot to compete nationally in basketball still! FBS football at the G5 level is truly never ever land. At the end of the day, what are you actually playing for? Schools like App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina have no chance. They'd be better off focusing their resources in basketball and baseball imo.

I follow and support Temple football but it's difficult to be really passionate because at the end of the day we're really only playing for a conference title and MAYBE finishing ranked. As a result, I'll continue to be more invested in Lehigh. Mountain Hawk football is simply more interesting than Owl football....

[Hammerhead]

The bowl system is already irrelevant. Washington vs. Penn State in the pre-playoff world would have been more compelling than having USC in there.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Western Michigan needs to send a cut of their access bowl money to Georgia Southern for stupidly hiring Tyson Summers. Would've beat them if we had competent coaching.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Western Michigan needs to send a cut of their access bowl money to Georgia Southern for stupidly hiring Tyson Summers. Would've beat them if we had competent coaching.

But you don't have the money. Nor will you as long as you're in the SBC. GSU is in a real tough spot. You guys are just one of many faces now. GSU doesn't have an identity in FBS.

Fitz left GSU for Tulane. That alone was a bad sign for GSU's ability to pony up and spend competitive FBS money...

[TheRevSFA]

I'm sure App State is excited about their hard fought season results: a bowl game in Montgomery that will be on in the background in bars as people drink heavily, not looking forward to spending Christmas with their families

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

G5 Bowls, just a bunch of junk mostly. Some of these teams really get screwed with their matchups. 6-6 bowl teams are a joke. 5-7 are an abomination...

12/17 Las Vegas Bowl, Las Vegas, NV - Houston (9-3) vs San Diego State (10-3); This is a legitimately good game. It would a lot more fun, and relevant, if it was December 30th or so. This game deserves more attention then it will receive. My only complaint is both teams deserve Top 25 P5 opponents....

12/17 Cure Bowl, Orlando, FL - UCF (6-6) vs Arkansas State (7-5); boring game on CBS Sports Network. Terrible all the way around...

12/17 Camellia Bowl, Montgomery, AL - Appalachian State (9-3) vs Toledo (9-3); Really good matchup but horrible location. Both teams deserve better.

12/17 New Mexico Bowl, Albuquerque, NM - New Mexico (8-4) vs Texas San Antonio (6-6); It's a home game for the Lobos!! Just a blah football game outside of the interesting nicknames...

12/17 New Orleans Bowl, New Orleans, LA - UL-Lafayette (6-6) vs Southern Miss (6-6); Unless Brett Favre plays QB for the Golden Eagles there's no reason to watch.

12/19 Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, FL - Central Michigan (6-6) vs Tulsa (9-3); The Chips were 3-5 in the MAC, lol. Terrible game for Tulsa....

12/20 Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, FL - Memphis (8-4) vs Western Kentucky (10-3); A worthy watch between two good teams. Solid destination but terrible date. WKU deserves a shot at a solid P5 team imo. A WKU-Tennessee game would be fun...

12/21 Poinsettia Bowl, San Diego, CA - Wyoming (8-5) vs BYU (8-4); Old conference rivals battling it out in San Diego. Definitely worth a watch.

12/22 Idaho Potato Bowl, Boise, ID - Idaho (8-4) vs Colorado State (7-5); An 8 win Vandal team? A solid game on the blue turf that could have snow. Quality game imo...

12/23 Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, TX - #25 Navy (9-3) vs Louisiana Tech (8-5); A rather indifferent game. Might be worth watching the second half....

12/23 Dollar General Bowl, Mobile, AL - Ohio (8-5) vs Troy (9-3); Respectable game. Solich is a great coach and Troy is solid. Worth paying attention to.

12/23 Bahamas Bowl, Nassau, NP - Eastern Michigan (7-5) vs Old Dominion (9-3); EMU made a bowl and they're not 6-6! Two solid teams in a beautiful setting. Worth the watch imo...

12/24 Hawaii Bowl, Honolulu, HI - Hawaii (6-7) vs Middle Tennessee State (8-4); Only reason to watch is because it's Christmas Eve and the game is in Hawaii.

12/27 Military Bowl, Annapolis, MD - #24 Temple (10-3) vs Wake Forest (6-6); Temple deserves better. Boring game overall....

12/27 Heart of Dallas Bowl, Dallas, TX - Army (6-5) vs North Texas (5-7); A 5-7 CUSA team? Are kidding me? These teams already played in the regular season (UNT won 35-18) What a horrible game. Watch simply because it's Army..

12/27 Cactus Bowl, Phoenix, AZ - Boise State (10-2) vs Baylor (6-6); The Broncos deserve better. They should be playing someone like Stanford. Could be a lot of points. Might watch....

12/29 Birmingham Bowl, Birmingham, AL - South Florida (10-2) vs South Carolina (6-6); USF deserves better. Why not USF vs Florida? Another boring game...

12/30 Arizona Bowl, Tucson, AZ - South Alabama (6-6) vs Air Force (9-3); The Falcons should be playing Colorado! Games is being broadcasted on "CAMP", WTH is that?

[Laker]

12/17 Las Vegas Bowl, Las Vegas, NV - Houston (9-3) vs San Diego State (10-3); This is a legitimately good game. It would a lot more fun, and relevant, if it was December 30th or so. This game deserves more attention then it will receive. My only complaint is both teams deserve Top 25 P5 opponents....

I thought that right away. Those are two teams that have some appeal- I thought that they would be playing later in the season in a bigger bowl.

[CHIP72]

I thought that right away. Those are two teams that have some appeal- I thought that they would be playing later in the season in a bigger bowl.

It should be noted the Las Vegas Bowl will be played on the same day as the MEAC/SWAC championship game (i.e. Celebration Bowl), one of the FCS/DI-AA semifinals, the D2 championship game, 4 other bowl games, and an NFL game (Dolphins/Jets). From a general football fan's point if view, the Las Vegas Bowl (which last year featured BYU and Utah) and the NFL game are the primary highlights on what is usually a pretty big day of football.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

But you don't have the money. Nor will you as long as you're in the SBC. GSU is in a real tough spot. You guys are just one of many faces now. GSU doesn't have an identity in FBS.

Fitz left GSU for Tulane. That alone was a bad sign for GSU's ability to pony up and spend competitive FBS money...

We had a rock-bottom budget in the SoCon and won 10 championships over 20 seasons.

And we led the FBS in rushing yards for two straight years.

[AshevilleApp2]

I'm sure App State is excited about their hard fought season results: a bowl game in Montgomery that will be on in the background in bars as people drink heavily, not looking forward to spending Christmas with their families

I'm fine with it. xnodx At first I was disappointed because the payoff was so low, but have since learned that the conference pools bowl money and splits it among members. (Correct me if I'm wrong on that, I read it on a message board.) And since the game is on the 17th, everyone will have plenty of time to see family at Christmas. xthumbsupx

[Nor Eastern]

G5 Bowls, just a bunch of junk mostly. Some of these teams really get screwed with their matchups. 6-6 bowl teams are a joke. 5-7 are an abomination...

12/17 Camellia Bowl, Montgomery, AL - Appalachian State (9-3) vs Toledo (9-3); Really good matchup but horrible location. Both teams deserve better.



CBS is singing the praises of this game. Regardless of location it's on ESPN at 5:30 pm on a Saturday on the first day of Bowls. No TV completion. Sun Belt Co-Champ vs. MAC #3 (prob 2nd best team in the MAC). They stadium is 25k in size. Montgomery is within driving distance to both schools and it will have at least 24k there. It'll look good on TV and showcase both teams well. Toledo has been ranked in the top 25 in the last few years and will want to take care of business. AppSt is looking to firmly plant their foot in FBS. They beat a good Ohio team last year in the Camellia bowl. App was the first ever team to play in a bowl in their first year available.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

CBS is singing the praises of this game. Regardless of location it's on ESPN at 5:30 pm on a Saturday on the first day of Bowls. No TV completion. Sun Belt Co-Champ vs. MAC #3 (prob 2nd best team in the MAC). They stadium is 25k in size. Montgomery is within driving distance to both schools and it will have at least 24k there. It'll look good on TV and showcase both teams well. Toledo has been ranked in the top 25 in the last few years and will want to take care of business. AppSt is looking to firmly plant their foot in FBS. They beat a good Ohio team last year in the Camellia bowl. App was the first ever team to play in a bowl in their first year available.

App State has done a good job but I'm not sure how long they can keep Satterfield. The ability to hang on to a coach for an extra year or two can be huge. Temple is on barrowed time with Rhule but it seems like we're going to keep him for another year. If App State can keep him and break through nationally they might have something to solidify themselves in FBS. A win over Toledo or winning the SBC isn't going to cut it. In the grand scheme of things, winning the AAC didn't get Temple much either outside of a potential Top 25 finish. We got a better bowl matchup last year (Toledo). I was actually happy with our bowl last year, Boca Raton against a damn good Toledo team.

The key for G5 teams is scheduling aggressively in the OOC and winning. That's your chance to make waves nationally. You'll never do it via the bowl system.

The Rockets are a well respected program that will come to play. This should be a really good test for the Mountaineer's defense. Hopefully both coaching staffs remain intact so there's no motivation issues.

We're all in this together as a G5. It's rather frustrating if football is your calling card imo. At least at Temple we're traditionally a bball school and the AAC provides a perfectly fine platform to succeed in that sport. Fran "One and Dunphy" simply needs to win tournament games. For schools like GSU an App State who went from winning titles to really playing only for pride the "honeymoon period" in FBS will get old quick. Given your conference affiliation and limited resources I think it will be tough to just break into the upper echelon in the G5. I'm not sure what the realistic expectation can be for either program in today's landscape. This isn't the world Marshall and Boise State broke through in. I do foresee a lot of coaching changes at both places....

[Nor Eastern]

App State has done a good job but I'm not sure how long they can keep Satterfield.

His daughter will be a Senior next year at Watauga High and Lamb (who he recruited) will be a senior next year at App. He'll definitely be there next season. However that being said as a Yosef member we have our picks and there are a few of them. So that isn't too much of a worry. The recruiting grounds and relationships with HS coaches remain the same.





We're all in this together as a G5. It's rather frustrating if football is your calling card imo. At least at Temple we're traditionally a bball school and the AAC provides a perfectly fine platform to succeed in that sport. Fran "One and Dunphy" simply needs to win tournament games. For schools like GSU an App State who went from winning titles to really playing only for pride the "honeymoon period" in FBS will get old quick. Given your conference affiliation and limited resources I think it will be tough to just break into the upper echelon in the G5. I'm not sure what the realistic expectation can be for either program in today's landscape. This isn't the world Marshall and Boise State broke through in. I do foresee a lot of coaching changes at both places....



App State's fans have already started gobbling up Camellia tickets. The game was announced yesterday and App has placed their second order for ticket allotment. So far the fans have enjoyed their experience at FBS. 3rd year and 2nd year bowl available and bowl accepted both times. This year's Bowl match is with a team respected enough to earn this game CBS's 2nd best G5 vs. G5 match up. Behind Houston's game. This team (App) isn't good enough for a championship run. However, to be in front of the nation, and only game on, ESPN while playing a team that has national awareness is pretty good for the team. The bowl game is in a city that will put on a show for the fans and team. It isn't a bad situation to be in. The conference just sent 6 teams bowling and with Bowl profit sharing money is made and the players and fans have a good time.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

His daughter will be a Senior next year at Watauga High and Lamb (who he recruited) will be a senior next year at App. He'll definitely be there next season. However that being said as a Yosef member we have our picks and there are a few of them. So that isn't too much of a worry. The recruiting grounds and relationships with HS coaches remain the same.







App State's fans have already started gobbling up Camellia tickets. The game was announced yesterday and App has placed their second order for ticket allotment. So far the fans have enjoyed their experience at FBS. 3rd year and 2nd year bowl available and bowl accepted both times. This year's Bowl match is with a team respected enough to earn this game CBS's 2nd best G5 vs. G5 match up. Behind Houston's game. This team (App) isn't good enough for a championship run. However, to be in front of the nation, and only game on, ESPN while playing a team that has national awareness is pretty good for the team. The bowl game is in a city that will put on a show for the fans and team. It isn't a bad situation to be in. The conference just sent 6 teams bowling and with Bowl profit sharing money is made and the players and fans have a good time.

It's definitely new for you guys so I get the excitement right now. Going to a bowl game in today's FBS is not an accomplishment. All you have to be is average, .500, to go to one. Or if your North Texas you can go 5-7 and make it. Playing Toledo in front of a national audience is nice but at the end of the day it will get lost in shuffle just like every other game that's not one of the traditional bowls. No one will remember it outside of App State and Toledo fans. Just like no one remembers, nor cares about, Temple's bowl game against the Rockets last year. The whole bowl system is over saturated.

The fact there's 6 SBC in a bowl is a joke. I'm sorry but it is. Just like 6-6 UCF from the AAC in a bowl is garbage. These are the reasons no one takes these games seriously anymore....

The bowl system is severely flawed. It needs to be cut down significantly. In reality, the whole system in general sucks. Welcome to FBS...lol. Thank goodness it's basketball season!

[Nor Eastern]

Yet as a 9-3 team of App it's a success. It's a reward, extra practice and recruiting for the team next year. It's not new for App to be in the post season. Chatty was just as well attended as the Camellia last year and seems to be the same this year. It will be the only game on TV, other than the Cure Bowl on CBSSN which no one gets. So pretty much the only game in town. It's on ESPN at 5:30pm on a Saturday against a really good MAC school. No, it's not a NY6 bowl. App didn't deserve such a bowl. However the Camellia will be well attended. It will look good on TV and it will be against a respected opponent. It will get more viewers than the bottom 1/4 bowls and the FCS playoffs. So it's a step up from 10 years ago.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Yet as a 9-3 team of App it's a success. It's a reward, extra practice and recruiting for the team next year. It's not new for App to be in the post season. Chatty was just as well attended as the Camellia last year and seems to be the same this year. It will be the only game on TV, other than the Cure Bowl on CBSSN which no one gets. So pretty much the only game in town. It's on ESPN at 5:30pm on a Saturday against a really good MAC school. No, it's not a NY6 bowl. App didn't deserve such a bowl. However the Camellia will be well attended. It will look good on TV and it will be against a respected opponent. It will get more viewers than the bottom 1/4 bowls and the FCS playoffs. So it's a step up from 10 years ago.

A 9-3 conference champion deserves better than the Camellia Bowl in Montgomery, AL. Just like 10-3 WKU should have a shot a solid P5 team. But the corrupt bowl system does not allow.

These bowl games would be MUCH better for the G5 conference champs.
WKU vs Tennessee
App State vs Virginia Tech
Temple vs Pitt
San Diego State vs Stanford

I hope your 10 year example was just a slip. Maybe 5 years ago. 10 years ago you were winning your second straight national title on ESPN. A meaningless bowl against Toledo in Montgomery, AL doesn't come close to that. xdrunkyx

[CHIP72]

If the schedule is similar to last year, the Appalachian State/Toledo game will partially overlap with one of the FCS/DI-AA semifinal games and also the D2 championship game. (I believe both started at 4 PM ET last year.) It definitely will partially overlap with the Houston/San Diego State game on over-the-air TV (that game starts at 3:30 PM ET), which will draw most of the viewers during the first half of ASU/Toledo unless UH/SDSU is a lopsided game.

Incidentally, you (Nor Eastern) have a different definition of "driving distance" than I do if you consider Toledo, OH to be within driving distance of Montgomery, AL.

[Nor Eastern]

A 9-3 conference champion deserves better than the Camellia Bowl in Montgomery, AL. Just like 10-3 WKU should have a shot a solid P5 team. But the corrupt bowl system does not allow.

These bowl games would be MUCH better for the G5 conference champs.
WKU vs Tennessee
App State vs Virginia Tech
Temple vs Pitt
San Diego State vs Stanford

I hope your 10 year example was just a slip. Maybe 5 years ago. 10 years ago you were winning your second straight national title on ESPN. A meaningless bowl against Toledo in Montgomery, AL doesn't come close to that. xdrunkyx


The 10 year thing is more about the entire situation that App is in (conference, games on TV, Fans buy merch, etc.). Now, I wouldn't give up the 3 NCs, they are special. I went to the game in '05 and '07 and it was a blast both times. I also went to Montgomery last year and will be going again this year. The experience was better overall in Montgomery than Chatty. It was a celebration of fans and teams.


Deserving a "better" bowl is just in people's heads. The bowl "Name" doesn't matter as long as it has a good slot on TV and good opponents. CBS has ranked the Camellia the 2nd best G5vG5 bowl game behind Houston/SDSU. That isn't bad considering this is only App's second year available to be bowling.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Given your conference affiliation and limited resources I think it will be tough to just break into the upper echelon in the G5. I'm not sure what the realistic expectation can be for either program in today's landscape. This isn't the world Marshall and Boise State broke through in. I do foresee a lot of coaching changes at both places....

If Northern Illinois and Western Michigan can do it, there's no reason GSU and App can't do it. We spanked WMU last year and would've beaten them this year if we had just hired Mike Houston or Jamey Chadwell (or one of more than a few other available coaches) instead of Tyson Summers. Heck the only reason we weren't in the game this year was because of a defensive and special teams TD.

I do understand that there's a gulf between the AAC and SBC in terms of TV money and attendance and budget or what-not, but with the way we've recruited over the past few years we can play with most anyone in the G5. Not worried about that.

[CHIP72]

I think the big questions that need to be asked are 1) are G5 FBS teams receiving more exposure/significantly more media exposure than FCS teams and 2) assuming they are receiving that extra exposure, is that exposure worth the extra costs associated with playing FBS football? We already know that almost all FBS bowl games, including the minor ones, generally draw bigger TV audiences than any FCS playoff game.

On a related note, what the MEAC and SWAC have done from an exposure standpoint is brilliant - they've created a game that gets more eyeballs than just about any FCS game, despite the fact the MEAC and SWAC champs generally aren't as good as the top-level FCS teams.


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[Nor Eastern]

I think the big questions that need to be asked are 1) are G5 FBS teams receiving more exposure/significantly more media exposure than FCS teams
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I'd say yes. App had all their games on TV. Seven games on "real TV" (ESPN1/2/U, ASN and SEC Network) this year with the other 5 still on ESPN3. The radio network has grown in station number. The last two seasons have seen an increase in attendance average as well. I think this year around 26,100 or so average.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Well Temple won't have their coach and staff might be in flux for our bowl game. Wake should be the favorite imo...

[CHIP72]

CBS is singing the praises of this game. Regardless of location it's on ESPN at 5:30 pm on a Saturday on the first day of Bowls. No TV competition. Sun Belt Co-Champ vs. MAC #3 (prob 2nd best team in the MAC). They stadium is 25k in size. Montgomery is within driving distance to both schools and it will have at least 24k there. It'll look good on TV and showcase both teams well. Toledo has been ranked in the top 25 in the last few years and will want to take care of business. AppSt is looking to firmly plant their foot in FBS. They beat a good Ohio team last year in the Camellia bowl. App was the first ever team to play in a bowl in their first year available.

FWIW, at 6:35 PM ET, there were four other games going on at the same time as Appalachian State/Toledo:

*Houston/San Diego State (ABC) - started at 3:30 PM ET, in the last minute of the game
*North Alabama/Northwest Missouri State (ESPN2) - started at 4:00 PM ET
*Arkansas State/Central Florida (CBS Sports Network) - started at 5:30 PM ET
*Youngstown State/Eastern Washington (ESPNU) - just kicked off at 6:30 PM ET

[Nor Eastern]

The Houston game was over halfway during the 2nd quarter.

ESPNU and CBSSN isn't much of a competition over ESPN

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Toledo-App State has been a helluva game. These two are as good as advertised imo. Very solid FBS teams...

[Laker]

Toledo-App State has been a helluva game. These two are as good as advertised imo. Very solid FBS teams...

Toledo takes the delay of game penalty on 4th and 2- then the field goal to tie the game goes over the goal post and is counted no good. App State wins.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

App State wins a 31-28 thriller. Toledo was driving down the field at will but the Mountaineer defense stiffened near the red zone. The Rockets ultimately missed the FG which was the difference in the game.

Good win for App State. Toledo is a respected program.

[CHIP72]

Appalachian State/Toledo really has been the game of the day so far, including the FCS/DI-AA, D2, and NAIA playoff games. IMO, on paper it was one of the two, clear, standout bowl games today (Saturday 12/17), along with Houston/San Diego State.

[CHIP72]

Toledo takes the delay of game penalty on 4th and 2- then the field goal to tie the game goes over the goal post and is counted no good. App State wins.

That penalty really, really made no sense. I'm not sure why Toledo didn't line up for the field goal initially when it was 4th and 2.

[Laker]

That penalty really, really made no sense. I'm not sure why Toledo didn't line up for the field goal initially when it was 4th and 2.

I was thinking the same thing. Too many times, trying to be really cute ends up biting you in the butt.

[Nor Eastern]

This game had it all. Two really good teams playing for something they care about. That's what this game is all about.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Arkansas State pounding UCF.

The Slum Belch going to start 2-0- in bowls.

The mighty AAC has now lost 6 straight bowl games to the other G5 conferences.

[Laker]

Better turn back to the FCS semifinal, boys. YSU just took the lead 34-31 with 6:30 to play.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Arkansas State pounding UCF.

The Slum Belch going to start 2-0- in bowls.

The mighty AAC has now lost 6 straight bowl games to the other G5 conferences.

UCF stunk.

The AAC's coaching staff turnover is a huge factor in these bowl games.

[Nor Eastern]

A G5 bowl got better rankings mid-day than a ranked UNC vs ranked UK squeaky shoes game got the same day during the evening. Even if G5 bowls only mean anything to the fans of the teams, the teams playing, and TVs at bars; they still get good enough ratings to keep justifying their existence.

[citdog]

Those were really GREAT teams in the St. Petersburg Bowl. 12 wins this season between them.

[ASU33]

This NC State/Vanderbilt game should be a good one!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Temple and its patchwork coach staff fall to Wake Forest 34-26. Not surprising and ultimately doesn't matter. These bowl games are so pointless...

[bonarae]

Meanwhile...

The Goofs and Wakey overcome their scandal-filled recent memories to take their respective bowl games... xsighx

[Nor Eastern]

These bowl games are so pointless...


Only said by fans of the losing teams.

[Laker]

Meanwhile...

The Goofs and Wakey overcome their scandal-filled recent memories to take their respective bowl games... xsighx

I thought that the Goofs would get killed because they were missing three starters and two backups in the defensive backfield. I haven't seen them play defense like that in years. The only real drives for Wazzu were the first and the last.

Wake got 31 points in the first half and held on. I wonder if anyone from there will ever talk to the traitor again. To think that he had played and coached there. What a jerk.

[ASU33]

Temple and its patchwork coach staff fall to Wake Forest 34-26. Not surprising and ultimately doesn't matter. These bowl games are so pointless...

Bowl games are far from pointless. The experience that I had at the Liberty Bowl as a player was one of my best experiences ever! Plus it was a big deal for the school and fans due to the fact it was our first bowl in 6 years.

[Hammerhead]

Don't forget about the extra costs for eating tickets at bowl game you can't sell since many teams lose money going to a bowl game.


I think the big questions that need to be asked are 1) are G5 FBS teams receiving more exposure/significantly more media exposure than FCS teams and 2) assuming they are receiving that extra exposure, is that exposure worth the extra costs associated with playing FBS football? We already know that almost all FBS bowl games, including the minor ones, generally draw bigger TV audiences than any FCS playoff game.

On a related note, what the MEAC and SWAC have done from an exposure standpoint is brilliant - they've created a game that gets more eyeballs than just about any FCS game, despite the fact the MEAC and SWAC champs generally aren't as good as the top-level FCS teams.


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[Nor Eastern]

Don't forget about the extra costs for eating tickets at bowl game you can't sell since many teams lose money going to a bowl game.

That definitely happens to schools that have conference bowl tie-ins in crap locations. Look at the poor MAC and CUSA. They have bowls spread over the entire country. While might be great to vacation in, it makes travelling for fans a pain, not to mention the allotment of tickets that cost the school money. Good news, most G5 bowls only make the school buy 2000 tickets. If the bowl game is travel-able to, that isn't a problem. But Hawaii, Bahamas, or any location 700+ miles away kinda makes it suck. But bowl payout pool usually helps mitigate or even flip those losses to gains. Only speaking from two years of bowl experience, App had to request more tickets each year because they solid their initial required allotment. So they didn't lose money on either bowl.

[Thumper 76]

That definitely happens to schools that have conference bowl tie-ins in crap locations. Look at the poor MAC and CUSA. They have bowls spread over the entire country. While might be great to vacation in, it makes travelling for fans a pain, not to mention the allotment of tickets that cost the school money. Good news, most G5 bowls only make the school buy 2000 tickets. If the bowl game is travel-able to, that isn't a problem. But Hawaii, Bahamas, or any location 700+ miles away kinda makes it suck. But bowl payout pool usually helps mitigate or even flip those losses to gains. Only speaking from two years of bowl experience, App had to request more tickets each year because they solid their initial required allotment. So they didn't lose money on either bowl.

For now. How long until the small bowls start to lose their shine to the fans?

I've been a Badgers fan since I was born, and I loathe the bowl system. It's a massive money grab now. It wasn't bad 20 years ago when they didn't have teams with borderline losing records making it to play in front of empty stadiums, but now it's obnoxious. I haven't watched a bowl game yet, doubt I will. Might catch the Cotton Bowl on the radio maybe, but I doubt it.


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[Nor Eastern]

For now. How long until the small bowls start to lose their shine to the fans?


Seems the bowl games (even small ones) are gaining and dominating TV ratings.

http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/even-lesser-bowl-games-are-dominating-tv-ratings.html

Keep getting bowl games against good teams in places that are easily be travelled to and you'll not see a downturn. SBC has two bowl tie-ins in Alabama (both against #1 or #2/3 MAC team), New Orleans (CUSA - whichever team will match up best) and Orlando (AAC - mid-level). Easy enough to get to.

[Thumper 76]

Seems the bowl games (even small ones) are gaining and dominating TV ratings.

http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/even-lesser-bowl-games-are-dominating-tv-ratings.html

That's fine for tv, that's why they added more bowls and more bowls so they can market it as a month of bowls similar to march madness. It's football in America, it's gunna get ratings and they push the hell out of it.

I'm saying that I doubt that a teams fanbase will stay as enthused about going to a crap bowl after 5 years of it in a row or so. Shoot if Bison fans start talking about championship fatigue I have a hard time believing a game that is a fancy exhibition is going to keep the fanbase enthused.


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[Laker]

I'm saying that I doubt that a teams fanbase will stay as enthused about going to a crap bowl after 5 years of it in a row or so. Shoot if Bison fans start talking about championship fatigue I have a hard time believing a game that is a fancy exhibition is going to keep the fanbase enthused.

I went to the Sun Bowl in 1999 and the Music City bowl a few years later. Didn't go when they went back to the same two places again. Unless the game gets more important it isn't as interesting to go to a minor bowl.

[Nor Eastern]

Dunno. Guess I just like my team more than y'all. It's not about the location it's about the opponent. Playing #1 or #2 MAC team? Yeh, I'll be there to watch App crush them. Playing So Miss, Marshall, UNCC, or WKU in New Orleans... Better believe I'll be there. Trip to Orlando to watch App vs ECU? Daaaamn right I'll be there.

[Thumper 76]

Dunno. Guess I just like my team more than y'all. It's not about the location it's about the opponent. Playing #1 or #2 MAC team? Yeh, I'll be there to watch App crush them. Playing So Miss, Marshall, UNCC, or WKU in New Orleans... Better believe I'll be there. Trip to Orlando to watch App vs ECU? Daaaamn right I'll be there.

Yeah I guess I don't see those as even slightly more appealing opponents than a Montana or JMU or McNeese etc. maybe it's because of my geographical location. I love my team but I'm not dropping the amount it costs to go to a bowl game against a glorified FCS team year after year and possibly missing Christmas with my family, etc. I would bet the majority of fans are more like me than you.


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[Nor Eastern]

bowl game against a glorified FCS team


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LOL.

If those are glorified FCS teams then what's left of the FCS is glorified D2

[Thumper 76]

LOL.

If those are glorified FCS teams then what's left of the FCS is glorified D2

Well the majority of the G5 teams are a glorified FCS. Legit question, who had more P5 wins, the MVFC or the Sun Belt.


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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Only said by fans of the losing teams.

I posted on December 6th that WF should be the favorite given the coaching situation at Temple. Everyone knew that our preparation with Foley as the interim coach would not be close to that of Rhule's.

[Nor Eastern]

Yeh, MVFC had 3 wins against the B10 and that rocks. But FCS wins against P5 teams happen every year. Saying teams like Marshall, WKU, ECU, Toledo are FCS quality is a laugh riot.

[Thumper 76]

Yeh, MVFC had 3 wins against the B10 and that rocks. But FCS wins against P5 teams happen every year. Saying teams like Marshall, WKU, ECU, Toledo are FCS quality is a laugh riot.

I would put money on UNI, NDSU, SDSU, and YSU splitting those games. And those are just MVFC teams. Not adding JMU, EWU, Nova, and others.


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[Nor Eastern]

This year? Absolutely. Marshall and ECU are 100% trash. I was talking about a bowl quality (historic) Marshall and East Carolina. WKU and Toledo would be in Frisco against each other this year and they wouldn't break a sweat in the playoffs.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Seems the bowl games (even small ones) are gaining and dominating TV ratings.

http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/even-lesser-bowl-games-are-dominating-tv-ratings.html

Keep getting bowl games against good teams in places that are easily be travelled to and you'll not see a downturn. SBC has two bowl tie-ins in Alabama (both against #1 or #2/3 MAC team), New Orleans (CUSA - whichever team will match up best) and Orlando (AAC - mid-level). Easy enough to get to.

These games are getting ratings by default in a lot of ways. Likewise with any "major" football given the bar culture and people's love affair with football. It doesn't mean product is good or the numerous empty seats can be ignored.

[Thumper 76]

This year? Absolutely. Marshall and ECU are 100% trash. I was talking about a bowl quality (historic) Marshall and East Carolina. WKU and Toledo would be in Frisco against each other this year and they wouldn't break a sweat in the playoffs.

Yup, they would just steamroll the teams that put up more points on TCU than pretty much anybody not named Oklahoma, the team that beat Iowa, and the team that beat Washington State. Easy street there.


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[Nor Eastern]

These games are getting ratings by default in a lot of ways. Likewise with any "major" football given the bar culture and people's love affair with football. It doesn't mean product is good or the numerous empty seats can be ignored.


Pretty sure each of the SBC bowl games were big successes.

New Orleans Bowl... 35,061 - 1.335 million viewers

Dollar General Bowl....32,377 - 2.5 million viewers

Cure Bowl...27,213

Potato bowl...24,975

Camellia Bowl was 96.6% full at 20300 - 1.483 million

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Yup, they would just steamroll the teams that put up more points on TCU than pretty much anybody not named Oklahoma, the team that beat Iowa, and the team that beat Washington State. Easy street there.


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Good. As long as we agree then.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

There's some legitimately good G5 teams. San Diego State, WMU, Houston, Navy (they were decimated by injury at the end of the year), Temple, USF, BYU, Boise State, Wyoming Toledo, Ohio, App State, Air Force WKU, and Memphis would be brutally tough outs in the FCS playoffs. I think NDSU, SDSU, JMU, YSU, EWU would definitely "struggle" week in and week out in the AAC or MWC. They'd have better success in the other leagues but would be no means slam dunks. The MAC would be interesting because the good teams are Top 40 good but the bottom is terrible. The SBC is similar.....

[Nor Eastern]

There's some legitimately good G5 teams. San Diego State, WMU, Houston, Navy (they were decimated by injury at the end of the year), Temple, USF, BYU, Boise State, Toledo, Ohio, App State, Air Force WKU, and Memphis would be brutally tough outs in the FCS playoffs. I think NDSU, SDSU, JMU, YSU, EWU would definitely "struggle" week in and week out in the AAC or MWC. They'd have better success in the other leagues but would be no means slam dunks. The MAC would be interesting because the good teams are Top 40 good but the bottom is terrible. The SBC is similar.....


Agreed 100%. No argument from me.

The bottom of the G5 conferences (heck even some P5s) are garbage. The best FCS (like it has been for decades) would be competing for G5 conference championships. I like the FCS. Still watch games each week. But let's not kid ourselves about the step up in total quality of the conferences. The FCS has diluted the playoffs and have made the first round just about unwatchable. And even then, when you have historic teams down the whole division takes a hit in prestige. Even the NDSU, JSU, EWU have a hard time lifting the division when teams like Montana, Montana State, Furman, Delaware, etc. are facing blah years.

[Nor Eastern]

To expand on that, over the last 20 years the FCS(Iaa) has had 13 different champions and 39% of them have moved up while 23% of the remaining have been pretty bad as of late. That will absolutely hurt the division.

[Nor Eastern]

Now I've become just a number cruncher.

Over the last 31 years the FCS has had 15 different champions. 40% have moved up to FBS. That definitely will hurt the arms race in the division.

[Thumper 76]

There's some legitimately good G5 teams. San Diego State, WMU, Houston, Navy (they were decimated by injury at the end of the year), Temple, USF, BYU, Boise State, Wyoming Toledo, Ohio, App State, Air Force WKU, and Memphis would be brutally tough outs in the FCS playoffs. I think NDSU, SDSU, JMU, YSU, EWU would definitely "struggle" week in and week out in the AAC or MWC. They'd have better success in the other leagues but would be no means slam dunks. The MAC would be interesting because the good teams are Top 40 good but the bottom is terrible. The SBC is similar.....

Meh, define struggle. If you mean mid pack, not having only one or two losses and instead having 3-4, then I agree. But I wouldn't say that's an awesome case to say there's a massive gap from the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA to the top conferences of the FCS. I would say the top MVFC teams would be most equipped to jump in and finish top 1/3 of the conferences due to the lack of real awful bottom feeders there. The Mountain West would be a different story, but the bottom G5 conferences are glorified FCS to me still. Sorry. The numbers posted about natty winners that moved up actually proves my point more than hurts it. The bottom G5 conferences are a lot of teams that weren't good enough to get picked off by the higher up conferences and the FCS move ups. Sure is the top of the conference better there? Maybe, but I wouldn't be shocked to see them get knocked off by the teams we are talking about.


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[Thumper 76]

Now I've become just a number cruncher.

Over the last 31 years the FCS has had 15 different champions. 40% have moved up to FBS. That definitely will hurt the arms race in the division.

That really is more proving that the G5 schools are a glorified FCS than anything realistically.


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[BisonFan02]

G5 schools want no part of NDSU. Can't afford the guarantee anyway.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Meh, define struggle. If you mean mid pack, not having only one or two losses and instead having 3-4, then I agree. But I wouldn't say that's an awesome case to say there's a massive gap from the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA to the top conferences of the FCS. I would say the top MVFC teams would be most equipped to jump in and finish top 1/3 of the conferences due to the lack of real awful bottom feeders there. The Mountain West would be a different story, but the bottom G5 conferences are glorified FCS to me still. Sorry. The numbers posted about natty winners that moved up actually proves my point more than hurts it. The bottom G5 conferences are a lot of teams that weren't good enough to get picked off by the higher up conferences and the FCS move ups. Sure is the top of the conference better there? Maybe, but I wouldn't be shocked to see them get knocked off by the teams we are talking about.


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I said struggle in the AAC and MWC. When referring to the SBC and MAC I said it would be "interesting". They might come in and instantly compete win the title like GSU did last year. Or, they might finish 3rd or 4th if the conference is having a strong year.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

G5 schools want no part of NDSU. Can't afford the guarantee anyway.

And P5's should want no part of the Bison until it's proven they've fallen off their perch some....

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Temple and its patchwork coach staff fall to Wake Forest 34-26. Not surprising and ultimately doesn't matter. These bowl games are so pointless...

Every conference has teams with coaching turnover. You were the one saying how much the more poor G5 teams can't keep coaches. WKU drubbed Memphis with an interim coach. The aspect of having an interim coach for a bowl game is overrated. Coaching the last 1 or 2 games a year and doing the 12-month operations of a football program are two completely different things.

BTW, the AAC is 1-8 against the rest of the G5 in bowl games in the past two years. Can't blame all of that on coaching turnover. They are the best G5 team without question in terms of budgets and media rights and attendance and what not, but there's not a high degree of separation in terms of the quality of the teams.


This year? Absolutely. Marshall and ECU are 100% trash. I was talking about a bowl quality (historic) Marshall and East Carolina. WKU and Toledo would be in Frisco against each other this year and they wouldn't break a sweat in the playoffs.

Going to have to disagree, here. WKU, Toledo, and App would have their hands full with any of the the FCS semifinalists.

Houston (before Tom Herman was more focused on interviewing with LSU and Texas and not coaching his team) was clearly on a level beyond the best FCS teams, but all of the rest wouldn't be sure things in the playoffs. Yes, I'm including Western Michigan. I was not impressed with them if we played them. If Georgia Southern hires Jamey Chadwell or Mike Houston we beat them by two touchdowns in Kalamazoo.

[Laker]

Well, Group of 5 schools are talking about their own playoff>

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18369921/growing-number-group-5-officials-considering-playoff-non-power-5-teams

[Nor Eastern]

Well, Group of 5 schools are talking about their own playoff>

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18369921/growing-number-group-5-officials-considering-playoff-non-power-5-teams


Yeh, won't happen. Mike Aresco will not agree on it, for one. He just about had one of his members in the playoffs had they not crapped the bed mid season.

I do see two bowls getting shiftted around to showcase the G5 concference champs that didn't make it to the Access Bowl.

[ASU33]

Well, Group of 5 schools are talking about their own playoff>

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18369921/growing-number-group-5-officials-considering-playoff-non-power-5-teams


Interesting...........

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Temple and its patchwork coach staff fall to Wake Forest 34-26. Not surprising and ultimately doesn't matter. These bowl games are so pointless...


Well, Group of 5 schools are talking about their own playoff>

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18369921/growing-number-group-5-officials-considering-playoff-non-power-5-teams

By "Group of 5 schools" you mean an article was written quoting a single athletic director.