Wofford vs YSU

[ysubigred]

Should be a thriller xthumbsupxxdrunkyx

[YSUGUIN]

Will YSU get the home game? Listening to the radio, the announcers were not sure.

[ysubigred]

Will YSU get the home game? Listening to the radio, the announcers were not sure.

Whose boosters have more $$ YSU's done well over the years xthumbsupx

[Milktruck74]

Add a poll to the post.

[wocorebel]

For Wofford, it pretty much depends on if Mr. Richardson wants to go to the game.

[FUBeAR]

Whose boosters have more $$ YSU's done well over the year xthumbsupx

I'll open the bidding with $1.1 Billion

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/jerry-richardson-net-worth/

[Mocs123]

Good luck to Wofford. Represent the SoCon well.

[ysubigred]

Wofford has given YSU fits in the past xthumbsupx

[ElCid]

6 weeks ago, Wofford was the unlikeliest of the 4 SOCON playoff teams to even be in the playoff, let alone advancing. They found ways to get it done and just didn't give up. They have rattled off 6 wins. Should be a good one next week.

[PantherRob82]

I would bet this game is at YSU. Wofford doesn't seem like they would put up much of a bid.

[ElCid]

I would bet this game is at YSU. Wofford doesn't seem like they would put up much of a bid.

Unfortunately for them I think you are right, but let's wait and see. You never know. What could it hurt to bid big.

[ytownchief22]

Nothing set it stone yet but I would assume YSU would have a pretty good chance to host. Wofford is down to their 3rd or 4th string QB I've heard. Any truth to that ?

[PantherRob82]

Shouldn't this have been a quick announcement?

[BisonFan02]

If YSU lost the bid for this game.........

[ysubigred]

Nothing set it stone yet but I would assume YSU would have a pretty good chance to host. Wofford is down to their 3rd or 4th string QB I've heard. Any truth to that ?

Technically so is YSU xrolleyesx

[woffordgrad94]

Jerry Richardson is rich

[ElCid]

Nothing set it stone yet but I would assume YSU would have a pretty good chance to host. Wofford is down to their 3rd or 4th string QB I've heard. Any truth to that ?

Yeah, but their fourth string QB is pretty dang good. Sparked them when they needed it. I think it is a plus for them. RS Freshman.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I've been talking about going to YSU for months but haven't pulled the trigger. A mid afternoon Saturday start would be awesome....

[spdram]

congrats to both teams

[ytownchief22]

What kind of offense does Wofford run ? Haven't seen them at all.

[Daved]

I would bet this game is at YSU. Wofford doesn't seem like they would put up much of a bid.According to the Wofford site it will be at YSU--hopefully no rain or snow that might damage my cardboard fake fans that I'm making,I'm planning on putting them alongside a few bandwagon fans that just might show up.

[Bucs2016]

Wofford vs YSU should be an amazing game. Bo Pelini vs Mike Ayers...polar opposite personalities haha.

[Bucs2016]

What kind of offense does Wofford run ? Haven't seen them at all.

Triple option man. And yes it's a pain in the ass. They're one of the most physically tough teams around. Are incredibly disciplined. And very class act group. YSU has its work cut out for them on this opponent.

[ElCid]

What kind of offense does Wofford run ? Haven't seen them at all.

Are you kidding?

[SoupCity85]

Back to the glory days of YSU vs Georgia Southern. That triple option offense gave defenses absolute fits.

[woffordgrad94]

Too bad we lost the bid. If I had billions of dollars that would not have happened. But we can still win there. I just won't be able to see the game live and that sucks to me. That's one of the drawbacks of being an alumnist of such a small school I guess...

[FUBeAR]

Too bad we lost the bid. If I had billions of dollars that would not have happened.

In Mr. Richardson's defense, he only has 1 billion of dollars.

[ElCid]

Too bad we lost the bid. If I had billions of dollars that would not have happened. But we can still win there. I just won't be able to see the game live and that sucks to me. That's one of the drawbacks of being an alumnist of such a small school I guess...

Hey you guys are 5-2 on the road this year with losses only to Samford and Ole Miss. Not bad. But it is always nicer to be there.

[ytownchief22]

At Youngstown State. Saturday at 2pm.

[Bucs2016]

Too bad we lost the bid. If I had billions of dollars that would not have happened. But we can still win there. I just won't be able to see the game live and that sucks to me. That's one of the drawbacks of being an alumnist of such a small school I guess...

My $ is on Wofford. Youngstown from what I know doesn't face triple option. And neither did Pelini at LSU or Nebraska.

They'll keep thinking of their big upset over Jax for a few days before their players truly focus on Wofford. To their own demise. They won't be ready for defending the option.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

At Youngstown State. Saturday at 2pm.

Great to hear!

[ElCid]

My $ is on Wofford. Youngstown from what I know doesn't face triple option. And neither did Pelini at LSU or Nebraska.

They'll keep thinking of their big upset over Jax for a few days before their players truly focus on Wofford. To their own demise. They won't be ready for defending the option.

I don't see them stopping Wofford very much, maybe here and there, but the real question will be can Wofford secondary stop their passing. JSU looks like they went all in stopping the run and got burned. Not sure Wofford will make that mistake, but YSU went 11-19 and 315 yards through the air, so they are capable. Wofford's pass defense is not as good as their rush defense.

[FUBeAR]

Wofford's pass defense is not as good as their rush defense.

It's not, but it is MUCH improved this year. I believe they have 3 new DB's in their Secondary, who are just much better cover guys than they had in prior years. I think LB's are playing the pass better this season as well - more integrated in the coverages with the DB's than they were in the past.

A quick look at the SoCon stats...



SCORING DEFENSE
G
TD
FG
XPT
2XP
DXP
Saf
Points
Avg/G


1.
Wofford
13
28
5
26
0
0
0
209
16.1





TOTAL DEFENSE
G
Rush
Pass
Plays
Yards
Avg/P
TD
Avg/G


1.
Wofford
13
1185
2423
802
3608
4.5
27
277.5





RUSHING DEFENSE
G
Att
Yards
Avg.
TD
Yards/G


1.
Wofford
13
413
1185
2.9
7
91.2





PASS DEFENSE
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
Avg.
TD
Avg/G


1.
Chattanooga
13
193
345
8
55.9
2139
6.2
17
164.5


2.
The Citadel
12
169
295
10
57.3
2034
6.9
13
169.5


3.
Furman
11
142
235
7
60.4
1988
8.5
15
180.7


4.
ETSU
11
171
263
2
65.0
2013
7.7
15
183.0


5.
Wofford
13
245
389
17
63.0
2423
6.2
20
186.4







PASS DEFENSE EFFIC.
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
TD
Effic.


1.
Chattanooga
13
193
345
8
55.9
2139
17
119.6


2.
Samford
12
195
350
11
55.7
2511
14
122.9


3.
The Citadel
12
169
295
10
57.3
2034
13
123.0


4.
Wofford
13
245
389
17
63.0
2423
20
123.5







INTERCEPTIONS
G
No.
Yards
TD
Avg.


1.
Wofford
13
17
399
3
23.5





SACKS BY
G
No.
Yards


1.
Chattanooga
13
38
233


2.
Wofford
13
30
196







OPPONENT 1ST DOWNS
G
Rush
Pass
Pen
Total
Avg/G


1.
The Citadel
12
92
74
11
177
14.8


2.
Furman
11
104
81
12
197
17.9


3.
Wofford
13
72
113
19
204
15.7







OPP 3RD-DN CONVERT
G
Conv.
Att.
Pct.


1.
The Citadel
12
43
143
30.1


2.
Chattanooga
13
65
193
33.7


3.
VMI
11
59
160
36.9


4.
ETSU
11
52
137
38.0


5.
Wofford
13
71
177
40.1







Gained
Lost



TURNOVER MARGIN
G
Fumb
Int
Total
Fumb
Int
Total
Margin
Per/G


1.
Wofford
13
6
17
23
9
4
13
+10
0.77





Red Zone
Touchdowns
Field Goals
Lost possession


RED ZONE DEFENSE
G
Scores-Chances
Pct.
TDs
Rush-Pass
Made-Att
Fumb
Int.
Downs
Other


1.
Wofford
13
27-38
71.1
24
6-18
3-10
0
2
2
0



Of course, what doesn't show up here is the number of 'running' plays that were designed to be passes, but the QB scrambled away from the relentless rush of their 3 very active and quick 300lb D-Linemen.

Woffy has, this year, become tough to throw on. We'll see if LittleDogs can containing FlyingPenguins better than those FlightlessRoosters did today.

[Daved]

My $ is on Wofford. Youngstown from what I know doesn't face triple option. And neither did Pelini at LSU or Nebraska.

They'll keep thinking of their big upset over Jax for a few days before their players truly focus on Wofford. To their own demise. They won't be ready for defending the option.Doubt if they will be thinking of the supposed upset and doubt they considered it an upset--also doubt Bo will automatically concede the game because he has never faced triple option.

[The Pud]

should be a good game

[ElCid]

Woffy has, this year, become tough to throw on. We'll see if LittleDogs can containing FlyingPenguins better than those FlightlessRoosters did today.

I didn't mean to say they were slouches, but just not as good as against the run. I have to look, but I think Samford still passed for 300+ or so against them. YSU's yards are usually about 2-1 rushing. But they really put on the passing display today. I am sure Ayers will prepare very well. It is what he does.

[Bison56]

My $ is on Wofford. Youngstown from what I know doesn't face triple option. And neither did Pelini at LSU or Nebraska.

They'll keep thinking of their big upset over Jax for a few days before their players truly focus on Wofford. To their own demise. They won't be ready for defending the option.
Anyone who follows FCS knows that wasn't an upset.

[Daved]

I didn't mean to say they were slouches, but just not as good as against the run. I have to look, but I think Samford still passed for 300+ or so against them. YSU's yards are usually about 2-1 rushing. But they really put on the passing display today. I am sure Ayers will prepare very well. It is what he does.They did have a lot of yards passing against them but a lot of those yards also came in garbage time--statistics in the Samford game are very misleading--the score included.

[ytownchief22]

My $ is on Wofford. Youngstown from what I know doesn't face triple option. And neither did Pelini at LSU or Nebraska.

They'll keep thinking of their big upset over Jax for a few days before their players truly focus on Wofford. To their own demise. They won't be ready for defending the option.


Lol....

[FUBeAR]

I didn't mean to say they were slouches, but just not as good as against the run. I have to look, but I think Samford still passed for 300+ or so against them. YSU's yards are usually about 2-1 rushing. But they really put on the passing display today. I am sure Ayers will prepare very well. It is what he does.

Yep - Sammy threw for 315 on Woffy and 4 TD's, but that was below the Bulldogs' average of 350. And they only rushed for 30; well below their avg of about 100. So, 345 v. Avg of 450. Obviously, not the Terriers best performance as they did lose that game, but I think they match up better with YSU than they do with Sammy. Just like I thought Sammy matched up VERY poorly with YSU.

[FUBeAR]

They did have a lot of yards passing against them but a lot of those yards also came in garbage time--statistics in the Samford game are very misleading--the score included.

I think ElCid is talking about the Wofford @ Samford game and you are talking about the Samford @ Youngstown game. There was no 'garbage time' in the Wofford @ Samford game. It was a 2 point game with Wofford failing to convert a 2 point try to tie late in the 4th quarter.

[Bisonwinagn]

I don't see how Wofford scores in this one. YSU should win comfortably.

[Daved]

I think ElCid is talking about the Wofford @ Samford game and you are talking about the Samford @ Youngstown game. There was no 'garbage time' in the Wofford @ Samford game. It was a 2 point game with Wofford failing to convert a 2 point try to tie late in the 4th quarter.Sorry about that--havent had enough coffee.

[ValleyTalk]

Can one of the moderators add a poll. Curious to see how the AGS folks see this one stacking up. They have a knack of being right.

[The Pud]

I think Wofford sneaks by YSU in a low scoring game. Two outstanding defenses

[Reign of Terrier]

I'm not gonna give a hedgehog prediction, I'm more of a fox guy...

Just glancing at YSU's stats and knowing that Missouri Valley teams like to play in the style of the old big 10 (i.e "pro set" or "3 yards and a cloud of dust) with strong defense and a run-first approach. As already noted, they have a very strong pass game too, but they like to run the ball to set that up.

The only comparable team Wofford has played that plays this style is Chattanooga and maybe Furman. Both games were Wofford wins and relatively high scoring by our standards. If YSU tries to open up the run with the pass, they'll do better than if they do the opposite. What makes this Wofford team different from teams of the past (like the ones that lost to UNI and NDSU) is that we have size in the interior line to match our quickness. We've played really well against teams that lean on the run to set up the past (Charleston Southern, Citadel, Mercer, Chattanooga, Furman), but the teams that did better against our defense passed it proficiently.

With respect to Citadel and Charleston Southern, both had late possessions (less than 3 minutes on the clock) against us...and I wasn't really worried about them scoring because they weren't comfortable with the pass. Similarly, I was more nervous in the late stages of Furman and Chatt, even though we were ahead, because of this pass-ability.

So, just looking at the stats, I anticipate YSU to be more of a threat to Wofford's defense than CSU or Citadel. I think we'll benefit from it being cut and dry hit-you-in-the-mouth football as opposed to being misdirection-option football, but that benefit will be taken away by an efficient pass game (which, in turn, may set up the run game).

I don't think YSU will rush for 200 yards, but they may not have to to control the game.

As for Wofford's offense vs their defense, it's a big case of the "I have no ideas." As already mentioned, we're already down to our fourth string QB, but arguably, he did a lot better than the starter did tonight. We honestly have not seen him play enough to get a solid assessment of his strengths and weaknesses. Similarly, you really don't know how well OOC opponents will play against the option, sometimes they are really effective, and sometimes they aren't.

So, it all depends on how many mistakes we make and how many big plays Joe Newman makes. Once again, I'm going to not really predict this one (call me a sandbagger). If we win, we win, but I'm just really proud of the effort this team gives. They're fun to watch, so long as you aren't taking any sort of heart medication. 6 straight wins (against 3 playoff teams) is nothing to sneeze at.

[crabby terrier]

Yeah, but their fourth string QB is pretty dang good. Sparked them when they needed it. I think it is a plus for them. RS Freshman.

Nope. TRUE freshman! Before tonight, he had only had about 5 or 6 snaps in a game! He is going to be special! Very similar to Shawn Graves! But he can throw pretty well too.

GO TERRIERS!!!

[dungeonjoe]

It's not, but it is MUCH improved this year. I believe they have 3 new DB's in their Secondary, who are just much better cover guys than they had in prior years. I think LB's are playing the pass better this season as well - more integrated in the coverages with the DB's than they were in the past.

A quick look at the SoCon stats...



SCORING DEFENSE
G
TD
FG
XPT
2XP
DXP
Saf
Points
Avg/G


1.
Wofford
13
28
5
26
0
0
0
209
16.1





TOTAL DEFENSE
G
Rush
Pass
Plays
Yards
Avg/P
TD
Avg/G


1.
Wofford
13
1185
2423
802
3608
4.5
27
277.5





RUSHING DEFENSE
G
Att
Yards
Avg.
TD
Yards/G


1.
Wofford
13
413
1185
2.9
7
91.2





PASS DEFENSE
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
Avg.
TD
Avg/G


1.
Chattanooga
13
193
345
8
55.9
2139
6.2
17
164.5


2.
The Citadel
12
169
295
10
57.3
2034
6.9
13
169.5


3.
Furman
11
142
235
7
60.4
1988
8.5
15
180.7


4.
ETSU
11
171
263
2
65.0
2013
7.7
15
183.0


5.
Wofford
13
245
389
17
63.0
2423
6.2
20
186.4







PASS DEFENSE EFFIC.
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
TD
Effic.


1.
Chattanooga
13
193
345
8
55.9
2139
17
119.6


2.
Samford
12
195
350
11
55.7
2511
14
122.9


3.
The Citadel
12
169
295
10
57.3
2034
13
123.0


4.
Wofford
13
245
389
17
63.0
2423
20
123.5







INTERCEPTIONS
G
No.
Yards
TD
Avg.


1.
Wofford
13
17
399
3
23.5





SACKS BY
G
No.
Yards


1.
Chattanooga
13
38
233


2.
Wofford
13
30
196







OPPONENT 1ST DOWNS
G
Rush
Pass
Pen
Total
Avg/G


1.
The Citadel
12
92
74
11
177
14.8


2.
Furman
11
104
81
12
197
17.9


3.
Wofford
13
72
113
19
204
15.7







OPP 3RD-DN CONVERT
G
Conv.
Att.
Pct.


1.
The Citadel
12
43
143
30.1


2.
Chattanooga
13
65
193
33.7


3.
VMI
11
59
160
36.9


4.
ETSU
11
52
137
38.0


5.
Wofford
13
71
177
40.1







Gained
Lost



TURNOVER MARGIN
G
Fumb
Int
Total
Fumb
Int
Total
Margin
Per/G


1.
Wofford
13
6
17
23
9
4
13
+10
0.77





Red Zone
Touchdowns
Field Goals
Lost possession


RED ZONE DEFENSE
G
Scores-Chances
Pct.
TDs
Rush-Pass
Made-Att
Fumb
Int.
Downs
Other


1.
Wofford
13
27-38
71.1
24
6-18
3-10
0
2
2
0



Of course, what doesn't show up here is the number of 'running' plays that were designed to be passes, but the QB scrambled away from the relentless rush of their 3 very active and quick 300lb D-Linemen.

Woffy has, this year, become tough to throw on. We'll see if LittleDogs can containing FlyingPenguins better than those FlightlessRoosters did today.

You know, I was wondering how long it was going to take before your analysis went up... you are the Sheldon of the SoCon! Keep it coming!xthumbsupx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I don't see how Wofford scores in this one. YSU should win comfortably.


xlolx

Obviously you have not seen Wofford play. Go back to the kiddie table.

[FUBeAR]

You know, I was wondering how long it was going to take before your analysis went up... you are the Sheldon of the SoCon! Keep it coming!xthumbsupx

Thanks Joe (I think)....but, on a very sad note, I offer the following Playoff analysis...



Statistic
SFIN
REIN


PASSING


Comp.-Att.-Int.
18-23-0
19-32-3


PUNTING


Avg. / Punt
37
23.5


RETURNS


INT: Total - Yds. - TDs
3-33-1
0-0-0


MISCELLANEOUS


Poss. Time
32:41
27:19





You simply cannot give up 3 picks, including a pick 6, nor lose the field position and time of possession battles, and expect to take down the St. Francis (IN) Cougars.

Alas, the mighty Reinhardt Eagles fell at home yesterday and will not be playing in the NAIA National Championship Game next Saturday.

[cx500d]

xlolx

Obviously you have not seen Wofford play. Go back to the kiddie table.

I compare an option team like Wofford to a baseball team with a knuckleball pitcher. They either do ok because the other team is befuddled, or the get blown out. Like the Navy-Temple game, for instance.

I'm going to go with the Penguins on this.


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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I compare an option team like Wofford to a baseball team with a knuckleball pitcher. They either do ok because the other team is befuddled, or the get blown out. Like the Navy-Temple game, for instance.

I'm going to go with the Penguins on this.


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Should be a really good game, both teams have really good defenses. Both are at the top of total defense and scoring defense.

YSU, with the way they are playing now, I would give them the edge....esp at home.

[CID1990]

When I watched the YSU game yesterday I remember thinking that both Wofford and El Cid would be very enthusiastic to go against that run defense. I'm going to go with Wofford by 5.


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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

When I watched the YSU game yesterday I remember thinking that both Wofford and El Cid would be very enthusiastic to go against that run defense. I'm going to go with Wofford by 5.


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YSU's rush defense isn't too bad giving up only 117/game. I didn't see the game yesterday so they might have looked bad.

[ysubigred]

YSU's rush defense isn't too bad giving up only 117/game. I didn't see the game yesterday so they might have looked bad.

YSU's Defense is the walking wounded right now. JSU did a great job of getting YSU defenders off their game. Having their QB did not hurt either. I think YSUs Defense is one of the fastest one's at the FCS level. Moving sideline to sideline will help control the Wofford triple O. Will be a great game and a huge challenge for the Guins.

[ytownchief22]

YSU had a starting DT out for the game and had 4 others on the DL hurt in the game yesterday. I'm gonna say Wofford hasn't seen a defense like YSU all year. But YSU hasn't seen an offense like Wofford. Should be interesting

[ValleyTalk]

Still very impressed with Hunter Well's performance. Also major kudos to Pelini and Montgomery on a fantastic game plan yesterday offensively. The bombs were a thing of beauty.

[RoyHobbs101]

I spent a lot of time at Wofford in the day. My heart says the Terriers, my head says Pellini and company.

[Reign of Terrier]

YSU had a starting DT out for the game and had 4 others on the DL hurt in the game yesterday. I'm gonna say Wofford hasn't seen a defense like YSU all year. But YSU hasn't seen an offense like Wofford. Should be interesting

Would love to hear a running update on this as the week progresses. It's hard to say what will happen because option teams in the playoffs either lay a giant egg or they get in a rhythm that's hard to stop. Wofford is 0-2 against MVFC teams in the playoffs, but both of those games were really close. You have the infamous no-knee against UNI which proved to be the difference (Wofford was relatively successful offensively) in 2011, and then you have the game against NDSU in 2012 in which they basically shut down (and shut out) our option.

This isn't meant as a disrespect to YSU, but I think it'll be closer to UNI than NDSU. In 2012, our offense was horrendous. We had the best running back in the country in Eric Breitenstein, but that was the extent of our offense. Our starting QB was a 5th year guy who had injury problems but never really developed. The second string guy showed promise, but had injury problem. Ironically the guy who ran the offense the best was a walk-on third stringer.

We may be on our fourth string QB, but as weird as it sounds...our offense is better than that this year, as is our special teams. If it's a low scoring game like the Citadel game was, the advantage goes to Wofford I think.

But if the YSU DL are substantially hurt in depth, that could prove problematic for YSU. It would be problematic for any team to overcome.

Meanwhile, Wofford had our all socon OL hurt alongside our starting QB last week. He may be back though, we'll just have to see. Our defense is deep again, as the two players who were hurt against CSU started against the Citadel and had one hell of a game (I think about 34 tackles between the two of them)

[BearDownMU]

I compare an option team like Wofford to a baseball team with a knuckleball pitcher. They either do ok because the other team is befuddled, or the get blown out. Like the Navy-Temple game, for instance.

I'm going to go with the Penguins on this.


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Wofford's two losses this year (not including the FBS game) was 2 points and 3 points in OT (to a Top 10 Citadel team). This is an interesting sweeping analysis of any team that runs the TO, but regardless, where are the blow-outs?

Or does this just fall into your "doing OK"... into the 3rd round of the playoffs?

[longtimemocfan]

You will have a lot of trouble running on Wofford, very stout against the run. You can throw against them, but you have to be patient. They play very good help defense in the secondary. Should be a good game to see.

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[CID1990]

Wofford's two losses this year (not including the FBS game) was 2 points and 3 points in OT (to a Top 10 Citadel team). This is an interesting sweeping analysis of any team that runs the TO, but regardless, where are the blow-outs?

Or does this just fall into your "doing OK"... into the 3rd round of the playoffs?

Neither Wofford nor The Citadel are set up to blow anybody out. If they play the game they want to, they have 75 yard scoring drives that eat 8 minutes off the clock.


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[BearDownMU]

Neither Wofford nor The Citadel are set up to blow anybody out. If they play the game they want to, they have 75 yard scoring drives that eat 8 minutes off the clock.


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That's not what I was suggesting. The other poster said TO teams either do OK because they confuse the other team, or the TO team gets blown out. At least, that's the way I read it. I was just commenting that I didn't see Wofford (or The Citadel, for that matter) get blown out by anyone.

[ValleyTalk]

So... will any moderators add a poll to this thread please??

[Bisonator]

I like the Penguins in a defensive battle.

[Reign of Terrier]

I tried to go through some old triple option games to get a barometer of what to expect, and might I say it's kind of hard. Because Georgia Southern's elite triple option isn't a good measuring point for this team, because 1) GSU's offense was better ours and 2) Their defense was not as good.

GSU's offense had big play ability that we don't have and averaged in the high 30s. Their defense wasn't bad, it was pretty good even. It's just that when you have an offense that scores like they could, it's more likely to try to play catch up, pad the score and stats, etc.

Wofford's offense isn't like that. We're 4 yards and a cloud of dust. What makes this past game really interesting was that for the first time this season, most of our yards came on big plays. For the most part this season, we haven't had that many big offensive plays (big, in my definition, being plays that were longer than 20 yards), and we've won games by being the most boring offensive team and the most gutsy defensive team.

Will Joe Newman, the flashy freshman, change that in Youngstown Saturday? I have no idea.

But anyway, back at the historical point of reference...this Wofford offense is probably at about 2011 or 2010 levels. 2012 Wofford had a poor offense. We aren't lights out like we were in 2008 where it was literally the best option team you'd ever seen (I think we scored 28 or more points in all but 2 games). But again, Joe Newman is the biggest unknown in this equation. With respect to our starter, Brandon Goodson, 3/4 of our yardage against the Citadel happened in the 4 or so drives Newman played. Our offense has always been better than that 2012 team, but it has in recent weeks slowed down.

As already mentioned, strong defensive teams do well against the option in OOC matchups, so I don't have any fantasy that we'll run all over YSU. What makes this team different is the defensive component, and you can't compare it to any Citadel or GSU or Wofford team that's made the playoffs, especially in the context of playing a team like YSU.

This is the case because:
1) Wofford has relied more on defense and ball control to win than any other option team in the last decade. Period, full stop. Maybe 2007 Wofford was comparable, but that's the closest I can think of.

2) YSU is really streaky on offense. MVFC fans say that their offense was bad until a month ago. It's hard to tell if something has fundamentally clicked on offense or if they just had a good matchup (Samford and JSU like to play fast pace, which if you have a strong defense that benefits your offense indirectly; also JSU had a swiss cheese defense I hear). If you compare YSU's offense to teams that beat option teams in the playoffs in the past, they overall body of work doesn't resemble that (but again, they may have turned a corner). I'm thinking about Delaware in 2010, North Dakota State in 2011 and 2012, and Northern Iowa in 2011. They aren't James Madison 2008 or CSU 2015 either. Maybe they resemble Richmond in 2007, but that was a very long time ago , and Richmond, arguably, benefited from unforced Wofford mistakes, so that may not be a reassuring comparison for the Guins

3) The barometer for how good Wofford is offensively right now, is broken. We don't know how good Joe Newman is. The teams we've played in the playoffs also have an up close and personal understanding of the option. Though we averaged probably 200 yards of offense a game in the playoffs, those two variables create a lot of uncertainty going into Youngstown. We had like 230 yards against the Citadel. 150 came with Joe Newman.


So, when predicting or trying to figure out how this game will go, it comes down to:
1) How good is YSU's offense? have they turned a corner or have they just had a matchup advantage. If they play well and win going away from Wofford saturday, I think we'll have our answer. If it's a low scoring game, I don't think you can say that (even if they win)

2) How good is Joe Newman and the Wofford offense? If Wofford's offense scores an uncharacteristically high amount of points, I would be scared to play them going forward in the playoffs. Do I think it's likely that he just lights YSU on fire? honestly, no. But if he plays at the same level as Goodson, or better, I think Wofford probably wins.

If either team "wins big" it's going to be a similar score to how Wofford won this past week, as opposed to YSU won. If YSU lays 40 on Wofford, Wofford probably won't have 20 on the board. If either team wins going away, it's going to be something like 27-13 or something like that.

Either way, there's a lot of uncertainty here. it should be a great game, and I wouldn't be surprised by any outcome because of all of these moving parts. I'm proud of my team regardless.

(also me and Dungeon Joe will be there)

[BucBisonAtLarge]

Whoa, pup. Those are a lot of words, really worthy of Patriot League thread.

IMHO, on the YSU O, I vote for 'turned a corner'. As a weekly fan and occasional (online) spectator of Penguin football I would not have anticipated the sort of offensive production we have seen in the playoffs against good competition. That was not a 'matchup advantage'. It is something materially different than even mid-season. Not 'streaky' but something new, borne out of adversity.

[penguinpower]

Whoa, pup. Those are a lot of words, really worthy of Patriot League thread.

IMHO, on the YSU O, I vote for 'turned a corner'. As a weekly fan and occasional (online) spectator of Penguin football I would not have anticipated the sort of offensive production we have seen in the playoffs against good competition. That was not a 'matchup advantage'. It is something materially different than even mid-season. Not 'streaky' but something new, borne out of adversity.

Interesting insight. I went to the game and came away feeling the same way. When I left it felt like the only team that could beat YSU was themselves. However, they are the walking wounded right now. Wish we would have gotten seeded. The team could use a week to heal up a bit. The conference schedule takes a toll and the depth is being tested.

[Houndawg]

I tried to go through some old triple option games to get a barometer of what to expect, and might I say it's kind of hard. Because Georgia Southern's elite triple option isn't a good measuring point for this team, because 1) GSU's offense was better ours and 2) Their defense was not as good.

GSU's offense had big play ability that we don't have and averaged in the high 30s. Their defense wasn't bad, it was pretty good even. It's just that when you have an offense that scores like they could, it's more likely to try to play catch up, pad the score and stats, etc.

Wofford's offense isn't like that. We're 4 yards and a cloud of dust. What makes this past game really interesting was that for the first time this season, most of our yards came on big plays. For the most part this season, we haven't had that many big offensive plays (big, in my definition, being plays that were longer than 20 yards), and we've won games by being the most boring offensive team and the most gutsy defensive team.

Will Joe Newman, the flashy freshman, change that in Youngstown Saturday? I have no idea.

But anyway, back at the historical point of reference...this Wofford offense is probably at about 2011 or 2010 levels. 2012 Wofford had a poor offense. We aren't lights out like we were in 2008 where it was literally the best option team you'd ever seen (I think we scored 28 or more points in all but 2 games). But again, Joe Newman is the biggest unknown in this equation. With respect to our starter, Brandon Goodson, 3/4 of our yardage against the Citadel happened in the 4 or so drives Newman played. Our offense has always been better than that 2012 team, but it has in recent weeks slowed down.

As already mentioned, strong defensive teams do well against the option in OOC matchups, so I don't have any fantasy that we'll run all over YSU. What makes this team different is the defensive component, and you can't compare it to any Citadel or GSU or Wofford team that's made the playoffs, especially in the context of playing a team like YSU.

This is the case because:
1) Wofford has relied more on defense and ball control to win than any other option team in the last decade. Period, full stop. Maybe 2007 Wofford was comparable, but that's the closest I can think of.

2) YSU is really streaky on offense. MVFC fans say that their offense was bad until a month ago. It's hard to tell if something has fundamentally clicked on offense or if they just had a good matchup (Samford and JSU like to play fast pace, which if you have a strong defense that benefits your offense indirectly; also JSU had a swiss cheese defense I hear). If you compare YSU's offense to teams that beat option teams in the playoffs in the past, they overall body of work doesn't resemble that (but again, they may have turned a corner). I'm thinking about Delaware in 2010, North Dakota State in 2011 and 2012, and Northern Iowa in 2011. They aren't James Madison 2008 or CSU 2015 either. Maybe they resemble Richmond in 2007, but that was a very long time ago , and Richmond, arguably, benefited from unforced Wofford mistakes, so that may not be a reassuring comparison for the Guins

3) The barometer for how good Wofford is offensively right now, is broken. We don't know how good Joe Newman is. The teams we've played in the playoffs also have an up close and personal understanding of the option. Though we averaged probably 200 yards of offense a game in the playoffs, those two variables create a lot of uncertainty going into Youngstown. We had like 230 yards against the Citadel. 150 came with Joe Newman.


So, when predicting or trying to figure out how this game will go, it comes down to:
1) How good is YSU's offense? have they turned a corner or have they just had a matchup advantage. If they play well and win going away from Wofford saturday, I think we'll have our answer. If it's a low scoring game, I don't think you can say that (even if they win)

2) How good is Joe Newman and the Wofford offense? If Wofford's offense scores an uncharacteristically high amount of points, I would be scared to play them going forward in the playoffs. Do I think it's likely that he just lights YSU on fire? honestly, no. But if he plays at the same level as Goodson, or better, I think Wofford probably wins.

If either team "wins big" it's going to be a similar score to how Wofford won this past week, as opposed to YSU won. If YSU lays 40 on Wofford, Wofford probably won't have 20 on the board. If either team wins going away, it's going to be something like 27-13 or something like that.

Either way, there's a lot of uncertainty here. it should be a great game, and I wouldn't be surprised by any outcome because of all of these moving parts. I'm proud of my team regardless.

(also me and Dungeon Joe will be there)

If they're healthy YSU has the DTs to take away the dive.

Their last four games have been some of the weaker defenses they've faced.

[kdinva]

Bump....


Can one of the moderators add a poll.

[Reign of Terrier]

Whoa, pup. Those are a lot of words, really worthy of Patriot League thread.

IMHO, on the YSU O, I vote for 'turned a corner'. As a weekly fan and occasional (online) spectator of Penguin football I would not have anticipated the sort of offensive production we have seen in the playoffs against good competition. That was not a 'matchup advantage'. It is something materially different than even mid-season. Not 'streaky' but something new, borne out of adversity.

That's what I meant by streaky...we'll see. My head is inclined to agree, but my heart will withhold judgment xlolx


Interesting insight. I went to the game and came away feeling the same way. When I left it felt like the only team that could beat YSU was themselves. However, they are the walking wounded right now. Wish we would have gotten seeded. The team could use a week to heal up a bit. The conference schedule takes a toll and the depth is being tested.

What's the injury report look like?

If they're healthy YSU has the DTs to take away the dive.

Their last four games have been some of the weaker defenses they've faced.

Yeah, everyone says that in pregame. Citadel had some mean DL, that didn't stop us from running 92 yards up the middle. We have some mean DL and that didn't stop Citadel from returning the favor.

I'd argue depth, smarts, and consistency is just as important as athleticism when facing the option

[The Yo Show]

I will say that one thing that hurts us depth wise for our defense is that both of our starting DEs are banged up. They have been phenomenal all year. Derek Rivers should be playing this week though, considering he played through the injury at JSU. Avery Moss is much more questionable, and in to take his starting DE spot due to his injury was the player that got carted off the field, Johnson Louigene. So, our DE position depth will be tested this week. Unless Moss and Rivers both manage to be 100% for this weekend.

What also bodes well for a Wofford run game is the fact that the starting DT Cody Squiric has been injured for the past two weeks now. He is also unknown regarding returning this week. Time will tell I suppose. I still expect it to be a good game, but the injuries on defense could pose problematic.

[TheRevSFA]

This is my favorite match of the weekend. Cannot wait to watch

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

If the YSU defense has it's line healthy and back. (DE's and tackle) I'm betting on the guins. Not a shot at wofford. I just think that their D is really really talented. Offense held them back most of the year and if that's clicking. Watch out

[PaladinFan]

I will say that one thing that hurts us depth wise for our defense is that both of our starting DEs are banged up. They have been phenomenal all year. Derek Rivers should be playing this week though, considering he played through the injury at JSU. Avery Moss is much more questionable, and in to take his starting DE spot due to his injury was the player that got carted off the field, Johnson Louigene. So, our DE position depth will be tested this week. Unless Moss and Rivers both manage to be 100% for this weekend.

What also bodes well for a Wofford run game is the fact that the starting DT Cody Squiric has been injured for the past two weeks now. He is also unknown regarding returning this week. Time will tell I suppose. I still expect it to be a good game, but the injuries on defense could pose problematic.

I've often said that Furman has probably seen the option more than any team in D1 football. At least two or three teams in the conference have run that offense against us for the better part of 30 years. Just a few thoughts.

1. The defensive linemen are less critical. Wofford will often leave those guys unblocked. UTC, for instance, has arguably the two best bookends in FCS football and Wofford pretty well ran right through that defense.

2. What is important is assignment football. Constant chess match between Wofford's OC and YSU's DC. Wofford can change up their blocking system on a play by play basis, and YSU is going to have to counter. YSU's linebackers and safeties are going to have to come ready to tackle. The CBs will often be in man coverage and run well out of the play by the WRs.

3. As with most option based offenses, the Terriers will be perfectly content for 3 yards in a cloud of dust most of the game. Where they will kill you is the one or two times a game where your defense misses a tackle or an assignment. They can pop off a 50-60 yard run easily.

4. Wofford is stout defensively. Their primary objective (from my seat) is to take away your running game and bend don't break in the pass. They can struggle at times against teams that can really sling it, but you have to stay out of predictable situations. You can throw on them, but they are going to lock down on you inside the 20s. If YSU establishes a running game, it may be a long day for the Terriers, as I do not think they will be able to stop the run and pass.

5. YSU cannot play from behind. Option offenses thrive on grinding away a clock and not giving the ball back.

6. Wofford has a kicker that can hit field goals from midfield. They don't have to get anywhere near the endzone to score.

7. I am almost certain YSU will out-athlete them. Wofford is extremely disciplined, though, and does very little to hurt themselves. They are not good enough (IMO) to overcome stupid mistakes, penalties, and turnovers. They are not a team built to mount a big comeback in a game. They want to keep it close, shorten the game, win the special teams battle.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Oddly enough YSU has had a pretty decent offense against anyone that isn't in the MVFC (aside from that game against MSU).

This game, however, is a completely different beast. If they can play assignment sound football on defense and get some quick 3 N Outs then put points up early that is the key. If they want to try a grind it out game they could be in trouble as that is what Wofford wants to do. Should be a very interesting match up!

[ElCid]

I think Palafinfan summed it up pretty good.

In our game this past week, we pretty much shut them down...except for those two or three plays which broke. Here are the numbers.

Through three quarters we held them to 136 or so rushing yards. They had a 14 and 15 yard rush in the first half. No other run went for more than 7 in the first half. In the third they got a 44 yard run but we held them to a FG. It was in the fourth that they finally broke one for a score on a 36 yard run with their 4th string QB on the outside. All it took was once. They rattled off another 43 yarder in the fourth but we held them to a missed FG. 5 rushing plays in the game out of 43 tries got them 152 yards. They only ran for 71 yards on their other 38 rushing plays for a 1.9 yards a rush average. They got 223 yards rushing in the entire game.

It was a chess match. Our Defense played better than our first game against them when we allowed them 300 or so in the game. But it only took once. And it isn't like we were a bad 4th quarter defense. To the contrary, up to this game we only allowed 36 total points in 11 games in the fourth and an average of just 54 yards in each 4th quarter. We were finishing games but it only takes once to miss an assignment or be slightly out of position or for them to have the perfect block. Wofford had 10 offensive possessions in the entire game (not counting the one before the half of 4 seconds) and we held them to 4 three and outs. Could have been 5 or 6 times and it still doesn't matter if they only need to break one or two. In a close game Wofford will win. YSU needs to put a bunch of points up to keep the score at a distance. This is going to be my favorite game to watch this weekend.

[Reign of Terrier]

I will say that one thing that hurts us depth wise for our defense is that both of our starting DEs are banged up. They have been phenomenal all year. Derek Rivers should be playing this week though, considering he played through the injury at JSU. Avery Moss is much more questionable, and in to take his starting DE spot due to his injury was the player that got carted off the field, Johnson Louigene. So, our DE position depth will be tested this week. Unless Moss and Rivers both manage to be 100% for this weekend.

What also bodes well for a Wofford run game is the fact that the starting DT Cody Squiric has been injured for the past two weeks now. He is also unknown regarding returning this week. Time will tell I suppose. I still expect it to be a good game, but the injuries on defense could pose problematic.

If it makes you feel any better (and I'm not trying to change the subject) I think the linebacker position is more important to stopping the option than the DL. If you look at the stats of linebackers (in terms of total tackles) when they play option teams they shoot up. I remember when we played NDSU one of their backers set a school record for tackles with like 23. This past week against the Citadel, our middle linebackers combined for something like 34 tackles

[PaladinFan]

I think Palafinfan summed it up pretty good.

In our game this past week, we pretty much shut them down...except for those two or three plays which broke. Here are the numbers.

Through three quarters we held them to 136 or so rushing yards. They had a 14 and 15 yard rush in the first half. No other run went for more than 7 in the first half. In the third they got a 44 yard run but we held them to a FG. It was in the fourth that they finally broke one for a score on a 36 yard run with their 4th string QB on the outside. All it took was once. They rattled off another 43 yarder in the fourth but we held them to a missed FG. 5 rushing plays in the game out of 43 tries got them 152 yards. They only ran for 71 yards on their other 38 rushing plays for a 1.9 yards a rush average. They got 223 yards rushing in the entire game.

It was a chess match. Our Defense played better than our first game against them when we allowed them 300 or so in the game. But it only took once. And it isn't like we were a bad 4th quarter defense. To the contrary, up to this game we only allowed 36 total points in 11 games in the fourth and an average of just 54 yards in each 4th quarter. We were finishing games but it only takes once to miss an assignment or be slightly out of position or for them to have the perfect block. Wofford had 10 offensive possessions in the entire game (not counting the one before the half of 4 seconds) and we held them to 4 three and outs. Could have been 5 or 6 times and it still doesn't matter if they only need to break one or two. In a close game Wofford will win. YSU needs to put a bunch of points up to keep the score at a distance. This is going to be my favorite game to watch this weekend.

Furman largely held Wofford in check most of the game as well.

Terriers broke two big runs on the exact same play. Blocked it well and caught our defensive backs in man coverage. Om both runs a Furman CB could have made the tackle, but didn't see the runner because they were downfield in man coverage on the receivers. Wofford also made two big game-saving plays on variations of an option reverse pass.

When Wofford has to resort to hot potato twice to beat you, I think you can say the game plan worked. Still, its tough enough to score on them that they don't necessarily have to light you up offensively. They just have to keep it close.

[Reign of Terrier]

It's also worth noting that Wofford seems to play their best ball in the second half. In the last 5 games we have held opponents scoreless in the fourth quarter. That's a trend I don't expect to continue forever, but in that span we played 3 playoff teams.

I don't have the numbers in front of me but I want to say we score more in the second half than the first.

[ysubigred]

If it makes you feel any better (and I'm not trying to change the subject) I think the linebacker position is more important to stopping the option than the DL. If you look at the stats of linebackers (in terms of total tackles) when they play option teams they shoot up. I remember when we played NDSU one of their backers set a school record for tackles with like 23. This past week against the Citadel, our middle linebackers combined for something like 34 tackles

It's good to hear! YSU just got back one of our best LB's two weeks ago and he's a hand full for opposing offenses!! Our last time seeing your style of football at the SOCON level was not good. GSU and Adrian Peterson plowed us xasswhipx

[woffordgrad94]

Here is why I think my Terriers will win this game:

1) If you haven't seen this defense in action, then you just don't realize how good it is right now. It seems to get better every week. I definitely think we have one of the top defenses in FCS. We definitely have the edge defensively over YSU. I think we get a pick 6 in the game that turns out decisive.
2) Special teams is also advantage Wofford. Our kicker has hit several field goals over 50 yards this season and that could really come into play in a close, low scoring game like I am expecting.
3) YSU does not see the triple option on a regular basis...they have only one week to prepare for it. That could work to the Penguins' disadvantage.
4) Yes, we are down to our fourth string QB, freshman Joe Newman. Sounds terrible, doesn't it? Well Newman is incredibly fast, maybe the fastest man on the team. He was touted as the QB of the future, but he's become the QB of now, thrusted into the spotlight so to speak. But he is unfazed by it, as cool as the other side of the pillow. Without his play, I don't think we're even playing in this game. He provided a much needed spark at The Citadel and I think will do so again at YSU.
5) The weather. The forecast is not that good. It looks like it will favor a grind it out team that wins with running the ball and defense (that's Wofford) over a team that throws the ball a lot more often. If you are turned one dimensional against the Wofford defense, forget it...you won't win. No one has ran the ball on Wofford very effectively.
6) Intangibles. Wofford is playing with an unreal amount of heart, determination, and togetherness right now. They just refuse to lose. I think that will continue Saturday.

Wofford 17, Youngstown State 14 is my final score.

[mamberso]

Any updates from YSU on the kid that was carted off?

[Paladin1aa]

The injured player is in concussion protocol.

I like YSU chances in this game. I actually think YSU is going to make the title game. Who would have thunk ? :)

[ysubigred]

The injured player is in concussion protocol.

I like YSU chances in this game. I actually think YSU is going to make the title game. Who would have thunk ? :)

xbowx Did you see any film on this? I'd like to hear what you seen if so.

YBR

[Reign of Terrier]

Some more quick notes:

It's been noted that, if Youngstown can establish a pass game to complement their run game, they have a good chance of winning. Though this is true, I think it's worth noting that the teams that passed the ball somewhat effectively yardage-wise on Wofford, overall, threw it more times per game than YSU.

In other words, Mercer, Furman, and Western Carolina all threw the ball 40 or more times against Wofford but also regularly threw the ball at least 30 times a game. Though Youngstown is efficient when they have the ball, they've only threw it in excess of 30 times a few times, and it was in situations in which they were trailing. That's not to say they can't or they won't throw the ball that many time, but my point is that they would prefer not to do that. Further, YSU's completion percentage, relative to some of those QBs (notably Reese Hannon, who probably carved us up the most) isn't as high (though to be fair I didn't check the specific statistics, you can check me on that one).

I think the most comparable game for Wofford is Chattanooga, but even then Bennefield threw it more times per game, on average, than Youngstown State.

In a counter-intuitive way, I kind of want it to be low scoring, because that means that YSU probably isn't passing the ball much. In that case I would be confident in Wofford's defense to make a stand, as they have been doing.

Another key stat that's gone overlooked is that JSU ran for over 300 yards against the Guins. Their QB wasn't very effective (6 of 26 for 2 INTs) and I think that may say more about how JSU's offense faltered than YSU being all over the option. I'll admit that I didn't watch the game, so I could be wrong. My point is, if you have to rely on Wofford's pass game to be ineffective, you've probably already won the game. We aren't going to pass it 26 times. If we throw it 10 times, we're Air Terrier for all I care.

YSU will obviously scheme differently than they did against JSU, loading the box more presumably.

[cx500d]

That's not what I was suggesting. The other poster said TO teams either do OK because they confuse the other team, or the TO team gets blown out. At least, that's the way I read it. I was just commenting that I didn't see Wofford (or The Citadel, for that matter) get blown out by anyone.

No other than ole miss you are right. Most of the wins/losses were close. However they play in a conference where everybody expects that offense so not surprising no blowouts.

Where it gets interesting is now when they play a team from another conference where the option isn't usually seen.


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[ElCid]

Here is why I think my Terriers will win this game:

1) If you haven't seen this defense in action, then you just don't realize how good it is right now. It seems to get better every week. I definitely think we have one of the top defenses in FCS. We definitely have the edge defensively over YSU. I think we get a pick 6 in the game that turns out decisive.
2) Special teams is also advantage Wofford. Our kicker has hit several field goals over 50 yards this season and that could really come into play in a close, low scoring game like I am expecting.
3) YSU does not see the triple option on a regular basis...they have only one week to prepare for it. That could work to the Penguins' disadvantage.
4) Yes, we are down to our fourth string QB, freshman Joe Newman. Sounds terrible, doesn't it? Well Newman is incredibly fast, maybe the fastest man on the team. He was touted as the QB of the future, but he's become the QB of now, thrusted into the spotlight so to speak. But he is unfazed by it, as cool as the other side of the pillow. Without his play, I don't think we're even playing in this game. He provided a much needed spark at The Citadel and I think will do so again at YSU.
5) The weather. The forecast is not that good. It looks like it will favor a grind it out team that wins with running the ball and defense (that's Wofford) over a team that throws the ball a lot more often. If you are turned one dimensional against the Wofford defense, forget it...you won't win. No one has ran the ball on Wofford very effectively.
6) Intangibles. Wofford is playing with an unreal amount of heart, determination, and togetherness right now. They just refuse to lose. I think that will continue Saturday.

Wofford 17, Youngstown State 14 is my final score.

Yeah, he is good.

Made
50
57
54
57
51
48

Missed 62 wide right.

Nice to have that weapon available.

As far as running the ball, it looks like we had the year high against them this week and it didn't matter. Uhg.

TTU - 41 (W)
Ole Miss - 174 (L)
JC Smith - 18 (W)
ETSU - minus 7 (W)
Samford - 30 (L)
WCU - 46 (W)
The Citadel - 190 (L)
Mercer - 48 (W)
Furman - 65 (W)
UTC - 88 (W)
VMI - 62 (W)
CSU - 195 (W)
The Citadel - 235 (W)

I don't see YSU gaining a whole lot on the ground even if they have averaged 259 a game. We have been averaging 348.

[FUBeAR]

Yeah, he is good.

Made
50
57
54
57
51
48

Missed 62 wide right.

Nice to have that weapon available.

As far as running the ball, it looks like we had the year high against them this week and it didn't matter. Uhg.

TTU - 41 (W)
Ole Miss - 174 (L)
JC Smith - 18 (W)
ETSU - minus 7 (W)
Samford - 30 (L)
WCU - 46 (W)
The Citadel - 190 (L)
Mercer - 48 (W)
Furman - 65 (W)
UTC - 88 (W)
VMI - 62 (W)
CSU - 195 (W)
The Citadel - 235 (W)

I don't see YSU gaining a whole lot on the ground even if they have averaged 259 a game. We have been averaging 348.

FIFY...didn't want to, but I held my nose and did it anyway...for the sake of accuracy

[ElCid]

FIFY...didn't want to, but I held my nose and did it anyway...for the sake of accuracy

Crap, thanks dude. I really didn't mean to miss you all. I had two windows open on my desk top and I was bouncing back and forth, and I just got ahead of myself. I went back and fixed it. Thanks.

[ValleyTalk]

Here is the X-Factor in my eyes... The Pelini Brothers. I have no clue if they've ever faced this type of offense before, but I'd imagine at some point in their coaching travels they've seen it. These two brothers are hot-headed as we all know, but they can coach a damn good defense. I'm sure they will have this D ready to go and have them play disciplined defense.

Their coaching performance last week, in my eyes, was their best one yet at YSU. The ability to exploit the JSU secondary, coupled with shutting down JSU's kickoff returns, and how focused they come out was remarkable.

[ElCid]

Here is the X-Factor in my eyes... The Pelini Brothers. I have no clue if they've ever faced this type of offense before, but I'd imagine at some point in their coaching travels they've seen it. These two brothers are hot-headed as we all know, but they can coach a damn good defense. I'm sure they will have this D ready to go and have them play disciplined defense.

Their coaching performance last week, in my eyes, was their best one yet at YSU. The ability to exploit the JSU secondary, coupled with shutting down JSU's kickoff returns, and how focused they come out was remarkable.

Lots of wild cards in this game. Unfortunately, if a team does not see the option regularly, it can cause fits. I know that was a contributing factor in our beating South Carolina last year. They just don't see it very often. I am sure your coaches will be prepared, but until they see what wrinkles they face, it is hard to prepare. And just when you think you have adjusted to meet the threat, the option team, changes option. One mistake I see teams make is over pursuing on defense instead of playing their assignments.

[FUBeAR]

Lots of wild cards in this game. Unfortunately, if a team does not see the option regularly, it can cause fits. I know that was a contributing factor in our beating South Carolina last year. They just don't see it very often. I am sure your coaches will be prepared, but until they see what wrinkles they face, it is hard to prepare. And just when you think you have adjusted to meet the threat, the option team, changes option. One mistake I see teams make is over pursuing on defense instead of playing their assignments.

Right - It's not about the Coaches having the knowledge to defend the option. Any college Coach can pick up the phone and get one of his Coaching brethren, who does face it regularly, to give him a full tutorial complete with sending hudl cutups of how his Team has done it.

What they can't do, no matter how hard they try, in about 3 practice sessions, is to get a Scout Team Coached well enough to execute the opponent's option game with any semblance of what they will face on Saturday. Add to that the fact that the OLine in the TO will be (LEGALLY) cut-blocking DLmen backside and on LB's & DB's on Saturday. A Coach with a banged-up Defense (as I have read YSU's is) has a very difficult decision to make regarding allowing his Scout Team to cut in practice. If he decides to do it and loses a Player in practice, he's an "idiot" and if he doesn't and his guys are getting sliced down on Saturday because they didn't practice defeating cut blocks, then he's an "idiot." Lose/Lose decision.

Just as Chatt took some time last week to adjust to the "Game Look" SHSU rolled out vs. what they had seen from their Scout Team, YSU may be fine stopping the TO after going against it at 'game speed' for 3 or 4 series, but they may also be 2 or 3 scores down at that point and playing catch-up against an outstanding Defense & a clock-eating offense. Death by 2 or 3 quick gashes, followed by 60+ paper cuts.

I've been a fan of a Team, that for the past 3 years, had died from those 'paper cuts' of Wofford (and The Citadel) in 5 of 6 contests - by 2, 1, 2, 1, and 10 points.

It was NOT fun; not at all.

[94Terrier]

bump

[Professor Chaos]

Will be a Southland conference officiating crew for this game.

[94Terrier]

How are the refs in that conference?

[Professor Chaos]

How are the refs in that conference?
They're assigned from the NCAA. Each conference has a crew. The crew can't be from the same conference as either participating team (even if both participating teams are from the same conference.

[Reign of Terrier]

Here's something spicy for ya:

Brandon Goodson is questionable to play Saturday

Evan Jacks, the 5th year senior (and projected starter) QB who tore his ACL in fall camp is practicing with the team this week. It was said early on that his tear wasn't too severe and if we made a deep enough run in the playoffs there was a chance he could play. Note that Evan is not eligible for a medical redshirt (for some reason) this year, and so I would give him a good chance of playing this week.

So, to be honest with you, I have no idea who is starting at QB, but the good news is if we need a spark at some point, it could happen.

[94Terrier]

They're assigned from the NCAA. Each conference has a crew. The crew can't be from the same conference as either participating team (even if both participating teams are from the same conference.

I was just curious as to how the refs from that conference are, in general, and how they officiate. Some conference refs are horrendous, some are actually pretty decent. I knew they couldn't be from the conference of the 2 participating teams. Since it's the quarters, I'd like to think they are starting to get the better of the crews.

[FUBeAR]

Here's something spicy for ya:

Brandon Goodson is questionable to play Saturday

Evan Jacks, the 5th year senior (and projected starter) QB who tore his ACL in fall camp is practicing with the team this week. It was said early on that his tear wasn't too severe and if we made a deep enough run in the playoffs there was a chance he could play. Note that Evan is not eligible for a medical redshirt (for some reason) this year, and so I would give him a good chance of playing this week.

So, to be honest with you, I have no idea who is starting at QB, but the good news is if we need a spark at some point, it could happen.

If he had surgery to repair a torn ACL and is practicing 111 days (15 weeks/<3 months) later...I'll believe it when I see it.

If he didn't have surgery, but had only a partial tear OR has decided to delay the surgery until after the season & play without a functioning ACL, then that's certainly possible. I would seriously question his ability to be effective in Wofford's Offense in this event, but if he and the Coaches decide to give it a shot, GO FOR IT! It's PROBABLY not going to get any worse...and IF he can play, he CAN play!!

Now, if it's the latter, I wonder why he couldn't have tried to come back sooner - in my (personal) experience, the swelling/range of motion/etc. should have been back to normal in about 6-8 weeks, at the most. Of course, the knee won't feel 'normal'...probably ever again, but a little pain med, some anti-inflammatories, a HEAVY brace...and he should be able to go...albeit, with a 'jangly' leg.

Only speculation, but, perhaps, he's not eligible for a medical redshirt because he only partially tore it and there's precedent (maybe) for the NCAA not allowing Medical Hardship Eligibility Waivers for partially torn ACL's. I think he could still apply though...I'm not an expert, but I'm thinking anyone would actually be eligible for a waiver, but the NCAA is TIGHT on these and requires a raft of medical documentation, etc. before they grant them.

All of this SPECULATION spit out....I would LOVE to see him play on Saturday. Have loved watching him play since I Coached against his HS Team in 2009. Young man is a GAMER!!!

[PaladinFan]

Here's something spicy for ya:

Brandon Goodson is questionable to play Saturday

Evan Jacks, the 5th year senior (and projected starter) QB who tore his ACL in fall camp is practicing with the team this week. It was said early on that his tear wasn't too severe and if we made a deep enough run in the playoffs there was a chance he could play. Note that Evan is not eligible for a medical redshirt (for some reason) this year, and so I would give him a good chance of playing this week.

So, to be honest with you, I have no idea who is starting at QB, but the good news is if we need a spark at some point, it could happen.

As I said when Jacks went down, Wofford has built a successful program and I bet you there are not 5 people outside of Wofford fans that can even name another Wofford quarterback the last 10 years. Next man up.

I guess the good news is that the backup has presumably been the #2 all years after Jacks went down in the preseason. So, he's certainly gotten the reps.

[FUBeAR]

As I said when Jacks went down, Wofford has built a successful program and I bet you there are not 5 people outside of Wofford fans that can even name another Wofford quarterback the last 10 years. Next man up.

I guess the good news is that the backup has presumably been the #2 all years after Jacks went down in the preseason. So, he's certainly gotten the reps.

If I'm reading this right, you certainly proved your 1st point...

It's actually, "Next, next, next man up" for the Terriers. After Jacks was hurt, Brad Butler became their starter. Then he went down, also with a torn ACL (I believe), in game 4 vs. ETSU. Then Brandon Goodson became the starter. As you may recall, in 2015, Wofford had 'rotated' the starting QB position and the playing time among all 3 of these QB's. So, their "#3" Goodson was actually the starter in 2015 vs. Clemson & Mercer and 1 other game, I believe. THEN, when Goodson went down last week @ El Cid, that "next, next, next" man, Joe Newman, came in and, to a large extent, won the game for the PorchYappers.

How the heck does a Team with 63 scholarships have that kind of depth? They must be cheating! (JK...relax AnkleBiter fans...don't go all Bellhop on me :D)

[Reign of Terrier]

If he had surgery to repair a torn ACL and is practicing 111 days (15 weeks/<3 months) later...I'll believe it when I see it.

If he didn't have surgery, but had only a partial tear OR has decided to delay the surgery until after the season & play without a functioning ACL, then that's certainly possible. I would seriously question his ability to be effective in Wofford's Offense in this event, but if he and the Coaches decide to give it a shot, GO FOR IT! It's PROBABLY not going to get any worse...and IF he can play, he CAN play!!

Now, if it's the latter, I wonder why he couldn't have tried to come back sooner - in my (personal) experience, the swelling/range of motion/etc. should have been back to normal in about 6-8 weeks, at the most. Of course, the knee won't feel 'normal'...probably ever again, but a little pain med, some anti-inflammatories, a HEAVY brace...and he should be able to go...albeit, with a 'jangly' leg.

Only speculation, but, perhaps, he's not eligible for a medical redshirt because he only partially tore it and there's precedent (maybe) for the NCAA not allowing Medical Hardship Eligibility Waivers for partially torn ACL's. I think he could still apply though...I'm not an expert, but I'm thinking anyone would actually be eligible for a waiver, but the NCAA is TIGHT on these and requires a raft of medical documentation, etc. before they grant them.

All of this SPECULATION spit out....I would LOVE to see him play on Saturday. Have loved watching him play since I Coached against his HS Team in 2009. Young man is a GAMER!!!

Apparently he's been doing non contact drills for weeks and he's been cleared this week for full contact.

[Professor Chaos]

I was just curious as to how the refs from that conference are, in general, and how they officiate. Some conference refs are horrendous, some are actually pretty decent. I knew they couldn't be from the conference of the 2 participating teams. Since it's the quarters, I'd like to think they are starting to get the better of the crews.
Oh, I see. Well, it looks like SLC refs so far in the playoffs have done the Cal Poly/San Diego and UND/Richmond games. I watched a good chunk of both games and the refs weren't noticeable (which is a good thing). They called 8 total penalties for 53 yards in the Cal Poly/San Diego game and 7 total penalties for 54 yards in the UND/Richmond game so seems like they let the teams play.

You'd probably hear from Southland fans that they're the worst officials in the country but that's usually how it works for fans talking about their own conference's officiating.

[FUBeAR]

Apparently he's been doing non contact drills for weeks and he's been cleared this week for full contact.

OK - that makes sense IF he had only a partial tear and didn't need surgery...OR...IF he had a complete tear, decided to delay surgery until after the season ended, and focused on regaining ROM the 1st few weeks and then strengthening the leg muscles in the latter weeks...and then will have reconstruction of the ACL after the season.

Hope he can go and is effective if he does!

[ElCid]

OK - that makes sense IF he had only a partial tear and didn't need surgery...OR...IF he had a complete tear, decided to delay surgery until after the season ended, and focused on regaining ROM the 1st few weeks and then strengthening the leg muscles in the latter weeks...and then will have reconstruction of the ACL after the season.

Hope he can go and is effective if he does!

I am one who has torn my ACL clean apart. I was in pretty good shape in my 20s when I did it. After a few weeks, aside from having an unstable knee, I was almost normal as far as motion went. I was even running on it fairly well with a brace. It was the surgery that took me down almost forever it seemed. I can see him trying to delay it if he was able. In my case 6 months after and I was still in pain the Doc told me I was not PT'ing enough. I was as much as the pain allowed. They finally x-rayed it and found out my body had rejected one of the titanium screws and it had come loose and was wiggling around. So some people actually do have loose screws. The AF sent me to the Army for the surgery since they are the best. Soldiers need to be able to come back fast. And even if I am almost normal now in motion, it has never really is the same. I always tell young people, PROTECT YOUR KNEES!

[FUBeAR]

I am one who has torn my ACL clean apart. I was in pretty good shape in my 20s when I did it. After a few weeks, aside from having an unstable knee, I was almost normal as far as motion went. I was even running on it fairly well with a brace. It was the surgery that took me down almost forever it seemed. I can see him trying to delay it if he was able. In my case 6 months after and I was still in pain the Doc told me I was not PT'ing enough. I was as much as the pain allowed. They finally x-rayed it and found out my body had rejected one of the titanium screws and it had come loose and was wiggling around. So some people actually do have loose screws. The AF sent me to the Army for the surgery since they are the best. Soldiers need to be able to come back fast. And even if I am almost normal now in motion, it has never really is the same. I always tell young people, PROTECT YOUR KNEES!

Yep - Same story here, tore it on 9/20; began running after 4 weeks. After 6 weeks, began practicing & dressed for games on 11/8 & 11/15 (as an emergency back-up); After 8 weeks, started and played the full game on 11/22 (beating the Bellhops 28-15, BTW :D). Just 'jangled' along with it for the final 2 years....never had it surgically repaired...still jangling today.

In those days, the surgical 'solution' was to trim up the frayed 2 ends of the ruptured ACL, then stretch and sew them back together. I've seen several guys that had that done and could never fully straighten their leg again as the ACL tends to 'explode' when it ruptures and there can be a lot of lost tissue, i.e. length, of the existing ligament. Today's surgical methods for ACL repair (recreating the ACL using tissue from Patellar Tendon, Hamstring, or a Cadavers) are much better...so, I wouldn't advise against surgery (as I chose back then), but as ElCid saw (I'm assuming you had one of those newer methods), the recovery from the surgery is LONG and can be problematic. The end result is superior, but the road to get there is much harder and longer.

[ElCid]

Yep - Same story here, tore it on 9/20; began running after 4 weeks. After 6 weeks, began practicing & dressed for games on 11/8 & 11/15 (as an emergency back-up); After 8 weeks, started and played the full game on 11/22 (beating the Bellhops 28-15, BTW :D). Just 'jangled' along with it for the final 2 years....never had it surgically repaired...still jangling today.

In those days, the surgical 'solution' was to trim up the frayed 2 ends of the ruptured ACL, then stretch and sew them back together. I've seen several guys that had that done and could never fully straighten their leg again as the ACL tends to 'explode' when it ruptures and there can be a lot of lost tissue, i.e. length, of the existing ligament. Today's surgical methods for ACL repair (recreating the ACL using tissue from Patellar Tendon, Hamstring, or a Cadavers) are much better...so, I wouldn't advise against surgery (as I chose back then), but as ElCid saw (I'm assuming you had one of those newer methods), the recovery from the surgery is LONG and can be problematic. The end result is superior, but the road to get there is much harder and longer.

Yeah, as I said the Army did mine. That was in 1990. They are the cutting edge of repairing knee injuries. I have had 4 surgeries on my knees both at West Point and Ft Dix. I had the Patellar Tendon option. It is pretty tight, and I really don't have any arthritis to speak of. But I have never been the same.:( When I had it done, I was grounded from flying for 12 monthsxbawlingx But I had ACL right knee and cartilage shaved on left. Double whammy.

It will be very interesting to see if Wofford actually uses Jacks though. He has got to pretty cold....although it didn't seem to hurt Newmanxbawlingx Not a lot of film on either.

[ValleyTalk]

Why I like the Guins here... History.

Youngstown State is 15-1 all-time at the Ice Castle in the FCS/I-AA playoffs. YSU actually lost its first ever playoff game at home to UCF in 1990 on a last second field goal. Since that game, YSU is 15-0 at home.

Go Guins!

[walliver]

Yeah, as I said the Army did mine. That was in 1990. They are the cutting edge of repairing knee injuries. I have had 4 surgeries on my knees both at West Point and Ft Dix. I had the Patellar Tendon option. It is pretty tight, and I really don't have any arthritis to speak of. But I have never been the same.:( When I had it done, I was grounded from flying for 12 monthsxbawlingx But I had ACL right knee and cartilage shaved on left. Double whammy.

It will be very interesting to see if Wofford actually uses Jacks though. He has got to pretty cold....although it didn't seem to hurt Newmanxbawlingx Not a lot of film on either.
Newman was supposed to redshirt, but is the only true option QB on the team. There should be lots of film on Jacks from last year.
butler has learned the option well, but apparently will go to Law School instead of returning for his fifth year. Goodson has done well, but doesn't really have a feel for the option.

[PaladinFan]

Why I like the Guins here... History.

Youngstown State is 15-1 all-time at the Ice Castle in the FCS/I-AA playoffs. YSU actually lost its first ever playoff game at home to UCF in 1990 on a last second field goal. Since that game, YSU is 15-0 at home.

Go Guins!

A great statistic. I would note that they are playing one of the few teams in the country where homefield advantage is probably a virtual nonfactor. Wofford has a long history of shocking home teams in tough venues (ask Montana).

[penguinpower]

My belief is that when you are down to 8 teams in the playoffs they are all excellent. Anyone can beat anyone else. I think the LB for Wofford is excellent. I think that it is difficult to prepare for the veer and Youngstown had issues stopping JSU last week with the read option. Youngstown is dealing with a considerable number of injuries in the defensive side of the ball so their true strength has been weakened a bit. The offense has come alive after putting Wells under center and giving him time over the last 5 weeks. Youngstown is better when they run the offense out of the pro set. I expect a close game and it is a coin toss here on out.

[caribbeanhen]

Are you kidding?

haha, I'll give him credit for not even blinking when asking that question on here

interesting match up - YSU has a pretty good stout Defense matching up against the Triple Option.... like it.

[FUBeAR]

My belief is that when you are down to 8 teams in the playoffs they are all excellent. Anyone can beat anyone else. I think the LB for Wofford is excellent.

I'm assuming you're talking about #42 - Woffy's TRUE FRESHMAN LB, Datavious Wilson. Check out his Stats Line (below). Looks like, per 247Sports, he chose Woffy over 4 G5 FBS offers and a bunch of FCS offers. I bet there are some P5 FBS Coaches that would be kicking themselves if they watched him play this year. Also, looks like he was an early commit to Woffy, flipped to El Cid just before signing day, then flipped back and signed with Woffy. Oooh, I bet that had to make last week's game and the regular season game between those 2 even more interesting. Barring injury or some other issues, I'd say we can look for him on the Buchanan List in a couple of years!

From your post, I would guess you have some watched some video of Wofford. What did you think of their 3-man starting DLmen? I've BOLDED them below, also.



DEFENSIVE LEADERS
GP
Solo
Asst
Total
TFL
TFLYds
Sacks
SackYds
Int
IntYds
BU
Qbh
Rcv
RcvYds
FF
Kick
Saf


LB - #42 - Wilson, Datavious (http://athletics.wofford.edu/WilsonDatavious) (FR)
13
41
51
92
6.0
20
2.0
11
0
0
1
2
1
0
1
0
1


Green, Jaleel (http://athletics.wofford.edu/GreenJaleel)
13
40
24
64
6.5
13
0
0
5
48
5
0
0
0
2
1
0


Tillery, JoJo (http://athletics.wofford.edu/TilleryJoJo)
13
34
22
56
1.5
7
1.0
6
0
0
3
0
1
0
1
0
0


Stewart, Lincoln (http://athletics.wofford.edu/StewartLincoln)
12
19
34
53
2.5
17
1.5
15
1
21
1
0
0
0
0
0
0


DE - #92 - Vaughn, Tyler (http://athletics.wofford.edu/VaughnTyler) (JR 6-1/270)
13
29
23
52
16.5
88
8.0
59
0
0
1
4
0
0
0
0
1


Young, Dylan (http://athletics.wofford.edu/YoungDylan)
13
23
24
47
6.5
24
3.5
17
2
28
1
0
0
0
0
0
0


DE - #90 - Brown, Miles (http://athletics.wofford.edu/BrownMiles) (SO 6-1/310)
13
23
22
45
11.5
32
2.0
12
0
0
2
3
0
0
0
0
0


Gbesee, George (http://athletics.wofford.edu/GbeseeGeorge)
12
31
12
43
1.0
2
0
0
0
0
10
0
0
0
0
0
0


Watson, Devin (http://athletics.wofford.edu/WatsonDevin)
11
29
14
43
2.0
3
0
0
3
112
10
0
0
0
0
0
0


Morris, Terrance (http://athletics.wofford.edu/MorrisTerrance)
11
14
21
35
4.5
23
3.0
20
1
29
2
0
1
0
0
1
0


Lyles, Tyreik (http://athletics.wofford.edu/LylesTyreik)
13
18
16
34
3.0
17
1.5
15
0
0
1
3
0
0
0
0
0


Wilson, Jireh (http://athletics.wofford.edu/WilsonJireh)
13
15
17
32
3.0
11
0
0
1
10
1
1
0
0
1
0
0


Rivera, Malik (http://athletics.wofford.edu/RiveraMalik)
10
16
13
29
2.0
3
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0


NG - #97 - Horton, Mikel (http://athletics.wofford.edu/HortonMikel) (FR 6-0/315)
13
10
19
29
1.5
2
0
0
0
0
0
2
1
0
0
0
0

[penguinpower]

They look like the real deal. YSU is big 6'-4" across and between 315-350 lbs up front so I think they will help neutralize the DL as the game wears on. Both teams will have their hands full. You don't get here unless you are an elite team.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

YSU -3.5 and total for this game is 33.5, so Vegas is saying YSU wins 18.5 - 15.

[FUBeAR]

They look like the real deal. YSU is big 6'-4" across and between 315-350 lbs up front so I think they will help neutralize the DL as the game wears on. Both teams will have their hands full. You don't get here unless you are an elite team.

Here's something to think about...Taking the data that El Cid posted...Rushing Yards against Woffy (FCS Opponents only)...

TTU - 41 (W) 121 Avg - 34%
ETSU - minus 7 (W) 134 Avg - Negative 5% (I think - I'm no math major!)
Samford - 30 (L) 97 Avg - 31%
WCU - 46 (W) 152 Avg - 30%
The Citadel - 190 (L) 348 Avg - 55%
Mercer - 48 (W) 175 Avg - 27%
Furman - 65 (W) 133 Avg - 49%
UTC - 88 (W) 206 Avg - 43%
VMI - 62 (W) 109 Avg - 57%
CSU - 195 (W) 267 Avg - 73%
The Citadel - 235 (W) 348 Avg - 68%

...and looking at their opponents' average yards rushing, we see that Woffy held their FCS opponents to an average of about 46% of their average yds/game rushing.

Youngstown State averages 259 yds/game rushing. If Woffy holds them to 46% of that, they will gain 119 yards rushing.

Against FCS opponents, YSU has been held under 119 yds rushing once this season - 92 yards in a 24-3 loss to NDSU. The next closest total was 159 yards in a 24-10 loss to SDSU. Those are the Penguins only 2 FCS losses.

Wofford has average giving up 90 yards rushing vs. FCS opponents in 2016.

So, I think the question is...how will YSU do in rushing the football? Will they be able to gain 135 yards or more? That is about 50% greater than Woffy's average vs. FCS opponents and 50% less than YSU's average. If the Penguins can do that, they have a chance. If they can rush for more than 165 yards, they'll be right in it. But, I think really think YSU is going to have to rush for over 195 yards to win the game. The Penguins have averaged 204 yds/gm rushing vs. FCS Playoff Teams, but they were also held to 169 & 190 by 2 non-Playoff Teams. So - CAN'T WAIT FOR SATURDAY!!

[Reign of Terrier]

YSU -3.5 and total for this game is 33.5, so Vegas is saying YSU wins 18.5 - 15.

That sounds about right to me, the spread and total at least

[CID1990]

Wofford 20
YSU 13


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[BNATION]

Wofford 20
YSU 13


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Im pretty sure everyone besides these two teams forgot this game was actually happening......

[woffordgrad94]

Im pretty sure everyone besides these two teams forgot this game was actually happening......
Is it just me, or does SHSU basically have a whole fanbase full of Chattowns? There sure does seem to be a lot of asshole posters from that school. Like this clown here-posting a comment that is totally unnecessary and adds absolutely nothing to the discussion of this upcoming game.

[centennial]

Is it just me, or does SHSU basically have a whole fanbase full of Chattowns? There sure does seem to be a lot of asshole posters from that school. Like this clown here-posting a comment that is totally unnecessary and adds absolutely nothing to the discussion of this upcoming game.
You are right. They have a lot of bad posters.

[BNATION]

Is it just me, or does SHSU basically have a whole fanbase full of Chattowns? There sure does seem to be a lot of asshole posters from that school. Like this clown here-posting a comment that is totally unnecessary and adds absolutely nothing to the discussion of this upcoming game.

Really not trying to ruffle y'all up. Just has not been much coverage and I think it's a forgone conclusion the champion will come from our bracket unless EWU bails it out.

[FUBeAR]

Really not trying to ruffle y'all up. Just has not been much coverage and I think it's a forgone conclusion the champion will come from our bracket unless EWU bails it out.

In the interest of fairness, I've taken some time to do a deep-dive statistical analysis of SHSU's season. Leasing some computing power from the NSA's supercomputers and using the most advanced data analytics techniques, I've been able to break down their entire season and identify all of the key factors of their success. Detailed results are posted below:



Team / Conference
Strength of Schedule (Rank / Rating)


Sam Houston St (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=6981&s=286577) / Southland (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14112&s=286577)
65 / 27.72



I now return you to a discussion of 2 FOOTBALL Teams. I'm sorry for the digression into a discussion of 7-on-7 Basketball on Turf

[BNATION]

In the interest of fairness, I've taken some time to do a deep-dive statistical analysis of SHSU's season. Leasing some computing power from the NSA's supercomputers and using the most advanced data analytics techniques, I've been able to break down their entire season and identify all of the key factors of their success. Detailed results are posted below:



Team / Conference
Strength of Schedule (Rank / Rating)


Sam Houston St (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=6981&s=286577) / Southland (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14112&s=286577)
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I'll take the basketball on turf that is the 2nd only to NDSU in playoff wins since 2011

[woffordgrad94]

I'll take the basketball on turf that is the 2nd only to NDSU in playoff wins since 2011
No one cares what anyone did in 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, etc. That is immaterial to this season. And that was your strength of schedule this season...live with it. It is what it is. It means that some people think SHSU might have been overrated by the playoff committee. But that doesn't really matter anyway. It doesn't necessarily mean you can't win playoff games. Opinions are like butts; we all have one.

[Schism55]

Very excited for this game.
No reason to expect it won't be a tough, close game.
I think YSU qb ends up being the difference.
'Guins 20-13

[ytownchief22]

Gonna be a cold one in the Ice Castle!

[FUBeAR]

I'll take the basketball on turf that is the 2nd only to NDSU in playoff wins since 2011

Yep...of those 14 wins...

7 of those over Teams from The Big Lie Conference AKA The Big Fluffy (fully exposed this year despite retaining unwarranted seeding/home games/matchup advantages)
2 over Teams from Southland (SHSU's own weaker-than-wet-single-ply Conference)
1 over a Big South Team, NOT named Liberty, CCU, or Charleston Southern
1 over a Team from the OVC, another 1 Team & X number of pretenders Conference (like the Southland & The Big Lie)
1 over a Team from the Patriot League - a traditionally overall very weak conference that may have still been less-than-full schollies at that time

So...I see 2 'good' Playoff wins in those 6 years - a squeaker over Villanova from the CAA in 2014 and last week, a last-second near loss to the SoCon's #3 Team - Chattanooga

That's a neat trick to be able to have a CRAP SoS in the Regular Season AND carry that 'fortune' into 5 years in the Playoffs (I'm not counting this year - having to play a SoCon Team (even a #3 SoCon Team) and the CAA Champion is a legit Playoff schedule...finally!). Regionalization has been berry berry good to the BearKats!

[BNATION]

No one cares what anyone did in 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, etc. That is immaterial to this season. And that was your strength of schedule this season...live with it. It is what it is. It means that some people think SHSU might have been overrated by the playoff committee. But that doesn't really matter anyway. It doesn't necessarily mean you can't win playoff games. Opinions are like butts; we all have one.

The FCS coaches, AP, and STATS polls sure thought we got hosed.....

[BNATION]

Yep...of those 14 wins...

7 of those over Teams from The Big Lie Conference AKA The Big Fluffy (fully exposed this year despite retaining unwarranted seeding/home games/matchup advantages)
2 over Teams from Southland (SHSU's own weaker-than-wet-single-ply Conference)
1 over a Big South Team, NOT named Liberty, CCU, or Charleston Southern
1 over a Team from the OVC, another 1 Team & X number of pretenders Conference (like the Southland & The Big Lie)
1 over a Team from the Patriot League - a traditionally overall very weak conference that may have still been less-than-full schollies at that time

So...I see 2 'good' Playoff wins in those 6 years - a squeaker over Villanova from the CAA in 2014 and last week, a last-second near loss to the SoCon's #3 Team - Chattanooga

That's a neat trick to be able to have a CRAP SoS in the Regular Season AND carry that 'fortune' into 5 years in the Playoffs. Regionalization has been berry berry good to the BearKats!

where you are wrong is that the southland is a "traditionally weak conference", not the case, it was a down year no doubt but southland teams frequently make deep runs in the playoffs. And the teams that beat those "strong" big south teams you mentioned in the playoffs we handled. There is no easy path to the semis and most knowledgeable FCS fans know this and know that our run has been impressive. Thanks and take a seat. Message me when y'all make it to the show.

[Reign of Terrier]

One day, I will stumble upon a thread involving a Wofford football game where at least 2 consecutive pages are devoted to subject matter completely irrelevant to the game...

one can dream

[gofurman]

You know, I was wondering how long it was going to take before your analysis went up... you are the Sheldon of the SoCon! Keep it coming!xthumbsupx

Of course FUBeAR has great analysis. He's a Furman man! Now if only we were in the Playoffs ...

[Thumper 76]

Yep...of those 14 wins...

7 of those over Teams from The Big Lie Conference AKA The Big Fluffy (fully exposed this year despite retaining unwarranted seeding/home games/matchup advantages)
2 over Teams from Southland (SHSU's own weaker-than-wet-single-ply Conference)
1 over a Big South Team, NOT named Liberty, CCU, or Charleston Southern
1 over a Team from the OVC, another 1 Team & X number of pretenders Conference (like the Southland & The Big Lie)
1 over a Team from the Patriot League - a traditionally overall very weak conference that may have still been less-than-full schollies at that time

So...I see 2 'good' Playoff wins in those 6 years - a squeaker over Villanova from the CAA in 2014 and last week, a last-second near loss to the SoCon's #3 Team - Chattanooga

That's a neat trick to be able to have a CRAP SoS in the Regular Season AND carry that 'fortune' into 5 years in the Playoffs (I'm not counting this year - having to play a SoCon Team (even a #3 SoCon Team) and the CAA Champion is a legit Playoff schedule...finally!). Regionalization has been berry berry good to the BearKats!
Helps they are fairly isolated from FCS powers, they get a decent variety to play compared to teams in the SC area or the Dakotas.

The FCS coaches, AP, and STATS polls sure thought we got hosed.....

You need to stop saying that like it carries weight around here if you want someone to take you seriously. Check the results of how accurate those polls have been vs the AGS poll then come back to me.


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[FUBeAR]

Helps they are fairly isolated from FCS powers, they get a decent variety to play

Heck, from a Playoff schedule perspective, Sam BearKat is a guy seated between 2 nymphos, Oveecee & Big Fluffy, at the FCS Nudist Colony's Saturday Night Movie. Then, Se'Louise, his nympho cousin from over in Southland, just may reach over from the row behind him...


[Sorry YT, I couldn't pass up the metaphor opportunity that Thumper laid out there for me...so to speak]

[Lehigh'98]

Yep...of those 14 wins...

7 of those over Teams from The Big Lie Conference AKA The Big Fluffy (fully exposed this year despite retaining unwarranted seeding/home games/matchup advantages)
2 over Teams from Southland (SHSU's own weaker-than-wet-single-ply Conference)
1 over a Big South Team, NOT named Liberty, CCU, or Charleston Southern
1 over a Team from the OVC, another 1 Team & X number of pretenders Conference (like the Southland & The Big Lie)
1 over a Team from the Patriot League - a traditionally overall very weak conference that may have still been less-than-full schollies at that time

So...I see 2 'good' Playoff wins in those 6 years - a squeaker over Villanova from the CAA in 2014 and last week, a last-second near loss to the SoCon's #3 Team - Chattanooga

That's a neat trick to be able to have a CRAP SoS in the Regular Season AND carry that 'fortune' into 5 years in the Playoffs (I'm not counting this year - having to play a SoCon Team (even a #3 SoCon Team) and the CAA Champion is a legit Playoff schedule...finally!). Regionalization has been berry berry good to the BearKats!


This is a garbage post. Not their problem who they beat in the playoffs.

[FUBeAR]

This is a garbage post. Not their problem who they beat in the playoffs.

This is a garbage response to my post. If it's "not their problem," then it's also not their right to crow about their number of Playoff wins.


BTW - Thanks for the input. What are your thoughts on the Wofford @ YSU game?

[BNATION]

This is a garbage response to my post. If it's "not their problem," then it's also not their right to crow about their number of Playoff wins.


BTW - Thanks for the input. What are your thoughts on the Wofford @ YSU game?

Actually playoff wins is something to crow about.... Also how is Furman and where have they been the last 10 years. not to go to far back, how did y'all fair this year pard? Your posts are as garbage as your 8 loss team with losses to teams we would drum by 50.... IE Mercer Kenn St. Cmon man.

Also my dad can beat up your dad...

[ytownchief22]

Love how this turned into a SH argument...

[BNATION]

Love how this turned into a SH argument...
YSU by 9.

[Lehigh'98]

This is a garbage response to my post. If it's "not their problem," then it's also not their right to crow about their number of Playoff wins.


BTW - Thanks for the input. What are your thoughts on the Wofford @ YSU game?

14 playoff wins are impressive no matter how you slice them.

As far as this game, I like Wofford in a minor upset. They are a tough matchup for those unfamiliar with the option.

[underdawg]

I'm not a Pelini fan but good luck to the Penguins tomorrow

[TheEagleSHSU]

A true option team in the playoffs can surprise some folks, especially with a grind it out D. I think this game is close with YSU pulling it out by 3, I could also see a Terrier win of 14-13. Going to def watch this one. Good luck to both teams. Not all of the SHSU folks are bad.

[woffordgrad94]

Only about 24 hours left until game time! I'm excited. I think my team is basically playing with house money at this point, but here is an opportunity to make the Final 4! I know that might not mean as much to schools like NDSU, Eastern Washington, and SHSU that do it all the time, but it means a great deal to Wofford, especially coming off of back to back losing seasons. The team seems to be ready and confident, just as they should be.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

YSU 35-17

[longtimemocfan]

Is it just me, or does SHSU basically have a whole fanbase full of Chattowns? There sure does seem to be a lot of asshole posters from that school. Like this clown here-posting a comment that is totally unnecessary and adds absolutely nothing to the discussion of this upcoming game.

Actually Chattown is tame compared to some of the SHSU posters.

[FUBeAR]

Actually Chattown is tame compared to some of the SHSU posters.

Yeah, but all of the BearKatFans at least TRY to have a sense of humor. Chattttttttttttertown is ALWAYS sandpaper.

[FUBeAR]

14 playoff wins are impressive no matter how you slice them.

As far as this game, I like Wofford in a minor upset. They are a tough matchup for those unfamiliar with the option.

Cool! We are in perfect alignment.

I just wanted to have some fun diminishing SHSU's accomplishments because...

A) their fans are so self-conscious of their 'weak spot,' instead of just, essentially, saying "Scoreboard" and moving along. Quite humorous to see the lengths they go to 'justify' their wins.

2) it's just so easy to do! :D

[FUBeAR]

Actually playoff wins is something to crow about.... Also how is Furman and where have they been the last 10 years. not to go to far back, how did y'all fair this year pard? Your posts are as garbage as your 8 loss team with losses to teams we would drum by 50.... IE Mercer Kenn St. Cmon man.

Also my dad can beat up your dad...

Kentucky State would KILL the BearKats!

...and my Dad died 13 years ago. Saddest day of my life...

But don't feel bad about your comment. I still think about him every day; and you were my catalyst for that always-good thought today :)...

I'm picturing his grew-up-in-the-ghetto's-of-Paterson-NJ-son-of-immigrants-Marine-Sgt-Pearl-Harbor-surviving-Purple-Heart & Silver-Star-winning-veteran-of-battles-on-Saipan-Tinian-Okinawa-Japan-invading-NC-Highway-Patrolling-NC-State-Football & Basketball-Team-bus-driving-GREATEST-Dad-ever a$$ wiping the floor with your Dad's assistant-youth-soccer-Team-Dad's a$$. xspankx

(That may not accurately characterize your Dad, but it's my 'vision' so I don't care about accuracy. I do know his son likes 7-on-7 basketball on turf and pretends it's football.) xlolx

[FUBeAR]

Only about 24 hours left until game time! I'm excited. I think my team is basically playing with house money at this point, but here is an opportunity to make the Final 4! I know that might not mean as much to schools like NDSU, Eastern Washington, and SHSU that do it all the time, but it means a great deal to Wofford, especially coming off of back to back losing seasons. The team seems to be ready and confident, just as they should be.

Me Too! For the first (and hopefully last) time in my life, I am a Terrier for the next 24 hours!

Is there a traditional chant / cheer that I can do while I'm watching the game to support MY AnkleBiters?

Something like...

"Wrappers, Fappers, growl & snarl, you PorchYappers!" ???

[longtimemocfan]

Yeah, but all of the BearKatFans at least TRY to have a sense of humor. Chattttttttttttertown is ALWAYS sandpaper.


True !!

[woffordgrad94]

Me Too! For the first (and hopefully last) time in my life, I am a Terrier for the next 24 hours!

Is there a traditional chant / cheer that I can do while I'm watching the game to support MY AnkleBiters?

Something like...

"Wrappers, Fappers, growl & snarl, you PorchYappers!" ???
Terriers is our name
Football is our game
Black is our color
Gold is the other
Uh, they think they bad
Uh, they ain't so bad
Uh, we know we bad
Uh, child please!

[FUBeAR]

Terriers is our name
Football is our game
Black is our color
Gold is the other
Uh, they think they bad
Uh, they ain't so bad
Uh, we know we bad
Uh, child please!

So, kind of an Ivy League 20's "Boolah, Boolah" start with a modern urban finish. Got it. I like it.

I'll be chanting that in a Sports Bar somewhere near the Georgia Dome today, before I head in to watch the 4A, and, most importantly, the 7A GHSA Championships.

GO TERRIERS & HORNETS!

[citdog]

When facing yankees from the cesspool of ohio all of FCS South Carolina will be with Wofford!



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[ytownchief22]

Perfect football weather today!!! GO GUINS!

[ValleyTalk]

Perfect football weather today!!! GO GUINS!
THE CHIEF has spoken.

[94Terrier]

Terriers is our name
Football is our game
Black is our color
Gold is the other
Uh, they think they bad
Uh, they ain't so bad
Uh, we know we bad
Uh, child please!


So exactly when did this cheer start and become something that bellows throughout the home side of the stadium?

[Milktruck74]

I would have laughed at you if you told me back in mid October that Wofford would be the SoCon representative in the quarter finals. Something to be said about peaking at the right time. Go get it Terriers!!!!!! This Moc is pulling for you guys!!!

[GoldandBlack]

So exactly when did this cheer start and become something that bellows throughout the home side of the stadium?

Just from one seat, apparently.

Have to listen for it next time we play at home.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Go 'Guins!!

About 30 minutes until kickoff!!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Blocked punt! Great special teams by Wofford!

[BullDog85]

TD SoCon Rat Dogs! 6-0

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Wofford scores, misses the XP, 6-0 Terriers...

[BullDog85]

YSU throws INT.

[penguinpower]

YSU beating themselves

[BullDog85]

9-0 Rat Dogs

[CID1990]

Defense wins football games


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[GoldandBlack]

Wofford +2 on turnovers in first quarter.

Execution matters- still a loooong way to go in this one.

We could easily look back and say we should have had 14 on the board by now.

[CID1990]

Goodson has been snakebit to pitch the ball since the flip 6.


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[GoldandBlack]

Goodson has been snakebit to pitch the ball since the flip 6.

That, plus he doesn't look 100% after that injury last week.

[penguinpower]

YSU looks like they are starting to get a push on the line

[GoldandBlack]

YSU looks like they are starting to get a push on the line

Yep, and like most games at this level, the game will be won and lost on the line through all four quarters.

This game is pretty much what I expected, outside of the turnovers.

[penguinpower]

What is up with all of the mistakes?

[penguinpower]

All the points have been scored with the wind. no points into the wind

[GoldandBlack]

I'm just wondering if this whole game is going to revolve around the special teams.

Weird game.

[GoldandBlack]

OK. the whole game is not going to revolve around special teams....................

[penguinpower]

I'm just wondering if this whole game is going to revolve around the special teams.

Weird game.

I agree weird game.

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YSU offense getting untracked

[GoldandBlack]

YSU offense getting untracked

I noticed- now if we can just play some ball control and give our defense a rest, I'll feel better.

[BullDog85]

YSU looks like the better team so far with their big play abilities except for the turn overs. Rat Dogs are having a serious problem moving the ball. Ayer's will adjust at half.

[penguinpower]

Wofford has only attempted 1 pass. I think they need to go to the air

[DoubleE]

wow

[GoldandBlack]

We will only go to the air if we see the secondary has cheated close enough to the line to isolate what we think is a workable matchup.

Newman's touchdown run is the reason we limit passing- we make adjustments at the half and throughout the second half.

[DoubleE]

So is Ruiz hurt or suspended ?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

One day, I will stumble upon a thread involving a Wofford football game where at least 2 consecutive pages are devoted to subject matter completely irrelevant to the game...

one can dream

I will try and get this back on track for you.

I really dont like that smug HC that Wofford has, he looks like the most arrogant SOB on the planet.......until you meet him. Really good guy but he looks so cocky on the sideline.

Granted I am still pissed off about the 2007 game in Missoula but I stand by my comments.




Is that better YT?

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Wow......fumble!


and


Wow...fumble!

[penguinpower]

Weird game

[Laker]

Score and clock time, please!

Is this being broadcast?

[penguinpower]

Hurt why is he in?

[DoubleE]

Score and clock time, please!

Is this being broadcast?

ESPN3

Wofford 16
YSU 13

3rd qtr 11min left

[TheKingpin28]

Score and clock time, please!

Is this being broadcast?

Its on ESPN 3 and the score is 16-13 Wofford with 10 min left in 3rd but YSU is in the RedZone.

[GoldandBlack]

Special teams.............................. AGAIN.

[penguinpower]

16-13 wofford. 10 min left in the 3rd
Special teams disaster maybe weather related

[Bucs2016]

I will try and get this back on track for you.

I really dont like that smug HC that Wofford has, he looks like the most arrogant SOB on the planet.......until you meet him. Really good guy but he looks so cocky on the sideline.

Granted I am still pissed off about the 2007 game in Missoula but I stand by my comments.




Is that better YT?

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Wow......fumble!


and


Wow...fumble!

I can assure you Mike Ayers is the classiest coach you could ever ask for.

[Bison56]

How have I never heard the horn?? Or what ever that sounds is before during a YSU game? That isn't suppose to be a penguin is it? I am waiting for an alien tripod to show up and blast everyone to dust.

[penguinpower]

Wofford is good at running that triple option. they changed the scheme at the half

[penguinpower]

It is a steam whistle used for shift change when the steel mills were here

[kdinva]

Score and clock time, please!

Is this being broadcast?

ESPN3


http://www.ncaa.com/game/football/fcs/2016/12/10/wofford-youngstown-st/play-by-play

[Bison56]

It is a steam whistle used for shift change when the steel mills were here

Ok thanks I don't remember hearing it before during the games I have watched.

[penguinpower]

YSU is getting excellent push now

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Engineering students added it this year

[mmiller_34]

Lets go YSU. Punch it in here.

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The Penguins should call the Stiglrooskie here. *** Back shoulder throw works too. Nice play.

[Wilson16]

Go Penguins

[kdinva]

5 yard TD pass for YSU.....20-16 YSU, 1:33 in the 3rd.

[grizband]

Youngstown State scores a TD to take the lead

YSU 20
Wofford 16

1:33 left in the 3rd

[penguinpower]

20 -16 Penguins. excellent game but very weird. have to say Wofford has a lot of heart

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I can assure you Mike Ayers is the classiest coach you could ever ask for.


I agree just saying he looks smug on the sideline. We met him and he is a great person.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

How have I never heard the horn?? Or what ever that sounds is before during a YSU game? That isn't suppose to be a penguin is it? I am waiting for an alien tripod to show up and blast everyone to dust.

I am almost certain it is a tug boat......they have those in Ohio dont they?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

It is a steam whistle used for shift change when the steel mills were here

It sounds like a beagle with laryngitis

[penguinpower]

I am almost certain it is a tug boat......they have those in Ohio dont they?
Yes

[penguinpower]

Wofford getting push now

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yes

Do you guys have electricity and indoor plumbing?

[GoldandBlack]

Now that was a typical Wofford offensive drive.

[Twentysix]

Do you guys have electricity and indoor plumbing?

How many times have you swam in Berkeley Pit?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Hey has anyone heard about this Catholics and Convicts 30 for 30?

You think they would promote that one................................

[penguinpower]

Dominated YSU DL on that drive. qb is fast

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Thrive............or elevendy, not sure why?

[kdinva]

Woffy goes 75 yards in 13 (running) plays to score, 23-20... 9:24 to go.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

That Miles Brown is a bad mofo....so quick for a guy that size

[Twentysix]

Thrive............or elevendy, not sure why?

I can't quite put my finger on it, but something about you screams "I swim in Berkeley pit every weekend."

xthumbsupx

[BullDog85]

Good ball control drive by Rat Dogs. Looks like they are starting to get a push on a tough YSU defense.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I can't quite put my finger on it, but something about you screams "I swim in Berkeley pit every weekend."

xthumbsupx

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[Serpentor]

Geez, Webb knocking on the door of 200 rushing yards today...

[grizband]

Webb now has over 200 yards rushing for YSU!

[mmiller_34]

This is a great game.

[penguinpower]

Tied ball game

[GoldandBlack]

Well, that's appropriate for this game- 23 all.

Time to start over.

[penguinpower]

YSU made too many mistakes to win this

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Wofford has the wind too

[penguinpower]

Big play coming

[grizband]

Huge stop there on 3rd down; let's see what Wofford does on 4th!

[GoldandBlack]

Went to the well on the counter option one time too many on third down.

[penguinpower]

Wow!

[penguinpower]

Excellent game!

[Catsfan90]

Excellent game!
I agree. I'm holding of flipping to the Richmond game to see the end! Huge drive for the penguins here!



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[grizband]

Wofford takes two timeouts, then punts the ball to Youngstown State's 2 yard line. Huge drive here, to end this great game!

[penguinpower]

What a clutch punt!

[DoubleE]

Why the hell do you run out of bounds ? Ugh

[grizband]

QB couldn't stay in bounds on 3rd down scramble...Wofford will get the ball back in great field position

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

This game deserves OT

Just my outsider perspective :)

[grizband]

Wofford takes a timeout with 7 seconds left in regulation, to attempt a 53 yard field goal...

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This game deserves OT

Just my outsider perspective :)
I'd gladly take OT in this game!

[GoldandBlack]

This game deserves OT

Just my outsider perspective :)

C'mon, man- you trying to give me heart failure?

[DoubleE]

Great hard fought game today. Cant ask for anymore.

OT

[grizband]

Missed kick; game headed to OT!

[penguinpower]

Overtime!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

C'mon, man- you trying to give me heart failure?

51% of me is still pulling for you guys....its just a great game sorry it has to end

[GoldandBlack]

So far, Wofford has been in three barn burners, including this one, in the playoffs.

Apparently, that's the only kind of game we know how to play.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I still like that 4th down call, play to win. Oh well.

[DoubleE]

4th and a foot and you dont give it to your big back ? weird

[grizband]

Wofford stuffed on 4th and 1 in OT, on a bad pitch...YSU will take over with a chance to seal the win here!

[penguinpower]

Love this game!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Double OT, lets play 7!

[DoubleE]

Ugh.............

Double OT

[grizband]

YSU misses a 37 yard field goal attempt. Here comes the second OT round!