Chattanooga @ Sam Houston State

[JSUSoutherner]

This is the thread we have all been waiting for...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6eQ78HCGEA&app=desktop

[citdog]

Chattanooga is by FAR the best team Sam Houston State has played in 2016.

[JSUSoutherner]

Chattanooga is by FAR the best team Sam Houston State has played in 2016.
Agree 100%

[Bearkat 41]

I don't think anyone that isn't just wanting to get the outsiders riled up would disagree. Obviously Chattanooga will be the best team shsu has played. And other than Alabama the Kats will be the best they have faced.

[JSUSoutherner]

I don't think anyone that isn't just wanting to get the outsiders riled up would disagree. Obviously Chattanooga will be the best team shsu has played. And other than Alabama the Kats will be the best they have faced.
Debatable. But we shall see this weekend.

[citdog]

I don't think anyone that isn't just wanting to get the outsiders riled up would disagree. Obviously Chattanooga will be the best team shsu has played. And other than Alabama the Kats will be the best they have faced.

One could make a pretty good case that Chatt has played at least two other teams better than y'all.

[Bearkat 41]

If I want to be a d bag blow hard I could debate that UCA is just as good as chatty. However I would be ignorant in doing so. Much like the argument in the opposite corner.

The beauty is that come Saturday we will all get to see. I won't debate about it though. There is no point.

[JSUSoutherner]

If I want to be a d bag blow hard I could debate that UCA is just as good as chatty. However I would be ignorant in doing so. Much like the argument in the opposite corner.

The beauty is that come Saturday we will all get to see. I won't debate about it though. There is no point.
Yes. Debating that The Citadel may be as good a team as the Kats would be completely ignorant and asinine. We are such blowhard D-bags for having considered that possibility. xcoffeex

[lionsrking2]

Kats will roll big in this one. Their offense is on another level from anything Nooga has seen. Bama playing vanilla doesn't count.

[PantherRob82]

Yes. Debating that The Citadel may be as good a team as the Kats would be completely ignorant and asinine. We are such blowhard D-bags for having considered that possibility. xcoffeex

Yeah, UCA looked so good last week against SHSU and squeaking out the win at home against a 6-5 Illinois State squad. xlolx

[Sammy94]

Yeah, UCA looked so good last week against SHSU and squeaking out the win at home against a 6-5 Illinois State squad. xlolx

But that Ill St team had some great losses.

[TheKingpin28]

Taking this game and moving it over to over here

[JSUSoutherner]

But that Ill St team had some great losses.
Yeah, the loss to EIU was defintely worth a refrigerator magnet to remember it by.

[TheKingpin28]

Current score after 2 rounds is 2-2

[Sammy94]

I don't think we roll past Chatty but I didn't think we would roll past UCA either. Will this be the first real test? We will find out on Sat.

[Bucs2016]

I don't have a dog in this fight. But I'm leaning towards SHSU in this one. I have no good reason why except that siding with them might add to the fire of this thread!

[Bearkat 41]

Yes. Debating that The Citadel may be as good a team as the Kats would be completely ignorant and asinine. We are such blowhard D-bags for having considered that possibility. xcoffeex

Simmer down southerner. I said I would be an ignorant blowhard d bag if I chose to get into an ill fated pissing match and stated that UCA was as good as chatty. And I was saying debating such would be ignorant because there is not one single Sam Houston fan who will believe that the citadel or anyone else other than Alabama is as good. The fact is chatty will be the best team Sam has played. No argument from me on that. Sorry if I offended you or anyone else who is dead set on stiring the pot just to see what happens.

And we all know my boy MK is gonna be on fire no matter what is said.

Again, we will all see on Saturday and that's all that really matters to me the back and forth before then, I will leave to you all the experts.

[FUBeAR]

I haven't seen Sam Houston State play this year.

Are they better or worse than that undisciplined abomination that I saw JaxState eviscerate 62-10 a couple of weeks after Chatt took JaxState to OT in the 2015 Playoffs?

[longtimemocfan]

I don't think we roll past Chatty but I didn't think we would roll past UCA either. Will this be the first real test? We will find out on Sat.

A good way of putting it. After all the speculation and predictions are made it comes down to what happens next Saturday.

[milleniumkat]

The talking is over. It's game week now! I have no reason to "Fire" on Chatty fans. They've never struck me as mindless idiots.

As of now, the weather looks like crap which imho puts the game in favor of Chatty based on matchup of strengths. The offense played well in the rain last year but not against a team with as string of a Defense as UTC. It should be fun.

To those traveling to Huntsville, bring rain Panchos and don't trust your GPS too much as the U made some roads one way around the stadium so look alive. Send me a DM and i can give some directions.


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[TheKingpin28]

Heading into Round 6, now that we should have a good fight, it is currently:

Chattown: 3 (Overall score is -1, since he has been equaling himself out quite frequently)
SHSU: 2 (Overall score is -2.4)

[dgtw]

One could make a pretty good case that Chatt has played at least two other teams better than y'all.

I agree.


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[milleniumkat]

So i guess some of you should start getting your excuses together for "why shsu really won"
just in case. Because it's going to be difficult to make it up on the fly next saturday IF shsu wins and still claim some sort of public credibility.




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[TheRevSFA]

Those Chatty fans going to the game, I actually recommend visiting MK at his tailgate, especially if Solid Oak Smoke BBQ is there

[RootinFerDukes]

I don't think anyone that isn't just wanting to get the outsiders riled up would disagree. Obviously Chattanooga will be the best team shsu has played. And other than Alabama the Kats will be the best they have faced.

L-O-L the citadel is a better team at minimum. Maybe some others.

[LuckyKat]

Those Chatty fans going to the game, I actually recommend visiting MK at his tailgate, especially if Solid Oak Smoke BBQ is there

And Dont forget your Women!!!

[Mocs123]

From what I have seen the Bearcats will be the most prolific offense that Chattanooga has seen this season. Chattanooga will also be the best Defense that Sam Houston State has seen all year so it should be a good game.

I haven't had a chance to look into them much but I think we will have to do a better job and getting to the quarterback than we did today. Briscoe(sp) needs to eat grass early and often.

I wish I could make it to the game but I just don't think there is a way for me to make it as I have a 9:00am commitment and couldn't get to the airport until 10:30. Hopefully we win and I can make the trip next week.

[LuckyKat]

meh...fair assessment
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13843

[longtimemocfan]

meh...fair assessment
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13843

Good assessment on both teams. If the weather is bad it could throw a monkey wrench in both teams game plans. Then it could come down to what team takes care of the ball better.

[McNeese75]

Anyone comparing this Kat team to the one that got rolled at JSU last year is clueless. Don't be surprised if this game turns ugly and I don't mean in a good way for Chatty.

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[Daytripper]

Anyone comparing this Kat team to the one that got rolled at JSU last year is clueless. Don't be surprised if this game turns ugly and I don't mean in a good way for Chatty.

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This right here. This is a new season and a different team. As somebody else said, I'm not predicting, and don't expect, a blowout by either team. But I thought the same about the Central Arky game.....

Just gotta lace 'em up and play.

[milleniumkat]

Those Chatty fans going to the game, I actually recommend visiting MK at his tailgate, especially if Solid Oak Smoke BBQ is there

SOS ain't bringing the trailer in the rain. We will be huddled under the tents frying wings and fries. Keeping it simple. But any that come are welcome. Not sure how much we are cooking so have a plan B. ...for food and birth control. lolllol


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[milleniumkat]

I expect a poop-worthy crowd by the looks of the forecast.


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[Thumper 76]

The talking is over. It's game week now! I have no reason to "Fire" on Chatty fans. They've never struck me as mindless idiots.

As of now, the weather looks like crap which imho puts the game in favor of Chatty based on matchup of strengths. The offense played well in the rain last year but not against a team with as string of a Defense as UTC. It should be fun.

To those traveling to Huntsville, bring rain Panchos and don't trust your GPS too much as the U made some roads one way around the stadium so look alive. Send me a DM and i can give some directions.


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[caribbeanhen]

Yeah, UCA looked so good last week against SHSU and squeaking out the win at home against a 6-5 Illinois State squad. xlolx

and the same Ill State team that 90 % of FCS picked to beat Central Arkansas......

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[Serpentor]

Yeah, UCA looked so good last week against SHSU and squeaking out the win at home against a 6-5 Illinois State squad. xlolx

Yeah, but Illinois State plays in the MVFC, which means those were 5 quality losses...

[Serpentor]

From what I have seen the Bearcats will be the most prolific offense that Chattanooga has seen this season. Chattanooga will also be the best Defense that Sam Houston State has seen all year so it should be a good game.

Agreed, it will be a delight game of the ol' foot ball.


I haven't had a chance to look into them much but I think we will have to do a better job and getting to the quarterback than we did today. Briscoe(sp) needs to eat grass early and often.

In that case, Briscoe will need to keep rushing forward for 20 yards. (Note: Briscoe will NOT be rushing forward for 20 yards)

[Mocs123]

[QUOTE=In that case, Briscoe will need to keep rushing forward for 20 yards. (Note: Briscoe will NOT be rushing forward for 20 yards)[/QUOTE]

Yeah I haven't watched any games yet, but judging from his statline, I don't guess he is a "dual threat" quarterback. Looks like he can sure sling the ball though.

[Mocs123]

Is there anywhere that has Southland Conference stats? I couldn't find them on the Southland Conference website.

[chattanoogamocs]

I think the biggest thing for the Mocs will be to have methodical, clocking eating, drives and end up with a major disparity in the TOP. If the Mocs try to get in a track meet, they'll lose, it's exactly what SHSU wants.

It will also be interesting to see how the Mocs secondary does. The graphic yesterday during the broadcast said they are the number 1 team against the pass in FCS. But, I will be the first to say that those numbers are somewhat skewed because the Mocs play two triple options teams every year.

Huesman admitted that during film prep last week he took a little peak at some SHSU film and joked "I wish I hadn't." ;)

[citdog]

Is there anywhere that has Southland Conference stats? I couldn't find them on the Southland Conference website.

You are probably better off NOT looking at SHSU stats...

SCARY

[fmrbearkat]

I think the biggest thing for the Mocs will be to have methodical, clocking eating, drives and end up with a major disparity in the TOP. If the Mocs try to get in a track meet, they'll lose, it's exactly what SHSU wants.

It will also be interesting to see how the Mocs secondary does. The graphic yesterday during the broadcast said they are the number 1 team against the pass in FCS. But, I will be the first to say that those numbers are somewhat skewed because the Mocs play two triple options teams every year.

Huesman admitted that during film prep last week he took a little peak at some SHSU film and joked "I wish I hadn't." ;)

Im not sure really where to find them as I looked the other day briefly.

But something somewhat crazy to believe is that if we get to Fargo by chance it's likely we go there with a a QB that has 65-70td and 5,000 yards,
2 - 1,000 yard rushers
3 - 1,000 yard receivers

[longtimemocfan]

TEAM STATISTICS
SHSU
OPP


SCORING
596
285


Points Per Game
54.2
25.9


Points Off Turnovers
65
23


FIRST DOWNS
297
245


Rushing
108
91


Passing
170
130


Penalty
19
24


RUSHING YARDAGE
2167
1638


Yards gained rushing
2324
1990


Yards lost rushing
157
352


Rushing Attempts
391
423


Average Per Rush
5.5
3.9


Average Per Game
197.0
148.9


TDs Rushing
29
12


PASSING YARDAGE
4257
2973


Comp-Att-Int
298-453-8
255-456-7


Average Per Pass
9.4
6.5


Average Per Catch
14.3
11.7


Average Per Game
387.0
270.3


TDs Passing
53
25


TOTAL OFFENSE
6424
4611


Total Plays
844
879


Average Per Play
7.6
5.2


Average Per Game
584.0
419.2


KICK RETURNS: #-Yards
44-1105
64-1281


PUNT RETURNS: #-Yards
23-171
15-71


INT RETURNS: #-Yards
7-54
8-68


KICK RETURN AVERAGE
25.1
20.0


PUNT RETURN AVERAGE
7.4
4.7


INT RETURN AVERAGE
7.7
8.5


FUMBLES-LOST
11-4
21-11


PENALTIES-Yards
78-850
69-607


Average Per Game
77.3
55.2


PUNTS-Yards
46-2059
80-2935


Average Per Punt
44.8
36.7


Net punt average
40.2
34.3


KICKOFFS-Yards
99-6146
56-3171


Average Per Kick
62.1
56.6


Net kick average
41.6
32.4


TIME OF POSSESSION/Game
27:33
32:27


3RD-DOWN Conversions
79/153
71/195


3rd-Down Pct
52%
36%


4TH-DOWN Conversions
7/13
14/24


4th-Down Pct
54%
58%


SACKS BY-Yards
36-223
8-58


MISC YARDS
0
0


TOUCHDOWNS SCORED
83
38


FIELD GOALS-ATTEMPTS
5-8
8-9


ON-SIDE KICKS
0-0
0-1


RED-ZONE SCORES
(56-66) 85%
(25-29) 86%


RED-ZONE TOUCHDOWNS
(53-66) 80%
(19-29) 66%


PAT-ATTEMPTS
(81-83) 98%
(33-37) 89%


ATTENDANCE
42741
30970


Games/Avg Per Game
5/8548
5/6194


Neutral Site Games

1/27411




Score by quarters
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


Sam Houston State
201
178
140
77
596


Opponents
37
56
103
89
285



Very impressive numbers.

[Mocs123]

You are probably better off NOT looking at SHSU stats...

SCARY

I have seen their stats, I was hoping I could look at the conference stats and that would make me feel better :)

It looks like they have a world class offense, with a below average defense to me. It will be whether we can slow them down enough and control the ball enough to win. This will be a higher scoring game.

[longtimemocfan]

Conference Stats

Team Statistics






SCORING OFFENSE
G
TD
FG
XPT
2XP
DXP
Saf
Points
Avg/G


1.
Sam Houston State
11
83
5
81
0
0
1
596
54.2


2.
Central Arkansas
11
50
12
45
0
0
2
385
35.0


3.
McNeese
11
46
12
40
0
0
0
352
32.0


4.
Stephen F. Austin
11
42
13
41
1
0
0
334
30.4


5.
Nicholls
11
44
9
38
2
0
0
333
30.3


6.
Southeastern La.
11
42
10
37
0
0
0
319
29.0


7.
Abilene Christian
11
36
13
30
4
1
0
295
26.8


8.
Incarnate Word
11
40
4
34
2
0
0
290
26.4


9.
Northwestern State
11
31
11
26
1
0
1
249
22.6


10.
Lamar
11
29
10
26
0
0
0
230
20.9


11.
Houston Baptist
11
23
16
21
0
0
0
207
18.8





SCORING DEFENSE
G
TD
FG
XPT
2XP
DXP
Saf
Points
Avg/G


1.
Central Arkansas
11
28
11
26
0
0
0
227
20.6


2.
McNeese
11
37
9
36
0
0
0
285
25.9



Sam Houston State
11
38
8
33
0
0
0
285
25.9


4.
Nicholls
11
42
12
38
1
0
0
328
29.8



Southeastern La.
11
42
12
36
2
0
0
328
29.8


6.
Lamar
11
44
8
42
1
0
2
336
30.5


7.
Northwestern State
11
46
16
40
2
1
0
370
33.6


8.
Houston Baptist
11
51
10
45
1
0
0
383
34.8


9.
Incarnate Word
11
56
8
53
0
0
1
415
37.7


10.
Abilene Christian
11
57
8
49
0
0
1
417
37.9


11.
Stephen F. Austin
11
56
10
52
2
0
0
422
38.4





TOTAL OFFENSE
G
Rush
Pass
Plays
Yards
Avg/P
TD
Avg/G


1.
Sam Houston State
11
2167
4257
844
6424
7.6
82
584.0


2.
Central Arkansas
11
2234
2701
909
4935
5.4
43
448.6


3.
McNeese
11
1508
3346
848
4854
5.7
41
441.3


4.
Stephen F. Austin
11
1602
3217
942
4819
5.1
40
438.1


5.
Southeastern La.
11
1991
2382
728
4373
6.0
37
397.5


6.
Abilene Christian
11
1245
3063
822
4308
5.2
35
391.6


7.
Nicholls
11
1792
2494
831
4286
5.2
41
389.6


8.
Northwestern State
11
2095
1951
694
4046
5.8
31
367.8


9.
Incarnate Word
11
1297
2667
786
3964
5.0
39
360.4


10.
Houston Baptist
11
2007
1875
810
3882
4.8
22
352.9


11.
Lamar
11
1442
2111
779
3553
4.6
26
323.0





TOTAL DEFENSE
G
Rush
Pass
Plays
Yards
Avg/P
TD
Avg/G


1.
Central Arkansas
11
747
2760
763
3507
4.6
25
318.8


2.
McNeese
11
1231
2863
729
4094
5.6
36
372.2


3.
Nicholls
11
1554
2685
801
4239
5.3
37
385.4


4.
Southeastern La.
11
2027
2404
830
4431
5.3
38
402.8


5.
Sam Houston State
11
1638
2973
879
4611
5.2
37
419.2


6.
Lamar
11
2530
2082
799
4612
5.8
42
419.3


7.
Incarnate Word
11
1971
2950
811
4921
6.1
51
447.4


8.
Houston Baptist
11
2117
2833
798
4950
6.2
46
450.0


9.
Northwestern State
11
2130
3017
853
5147
6.0
45
467.9


10.
Stephen F. Austin
11
1544
3659
893
5203
5.8
53
473.0


11.
Abilene Christian
11
2279
3064
834
5343
6.4
54
485.7





RUSHING OFFENSE
G
Att
Yards
Avg.
TD
Yards/G


1.
Central Arkansas
11
575
2234
3.9
26
203.1


2.
Sam Houston State
11
391
2167
5.5
29
197.0


3.
Northwestern State
11
395
2095
5.3
18
190.5


4.
Houston Baptist
11
494
2007
4.1
13
182.5


5.
Southeastern La.
11
442
1991
4.5
15
181.0


6.
Nicholls
11
463
1792
3.9
23
162.9


7.
Stephen F. Austin
11
419
1602
3.8
18
145.6


8.
McNeese
11
383
1508
3.9
18
137.1


9.
Lamar
11
412
1442
3.5
14
131.1


10.
Incarnate Word
11
390
1297
3.3
17
117.9


11.
Abilene Christian
11
367
1245
3.4
13
113.2





RUSHING DEFENSE
G
Att
Yards
Avg.
TD
Yards/G


1.
Central Arkansas
11
340
747
2.2
7
67.9


2.
McNeese
11
324
1231
3.8
16
111.9


3.
Stephen F. Austin
11
440
1544
3.5
19
140.4


4.
Nicholls
11
420
1554
3.7
21
141.3


5.
Sam Houston State
11
423
1638
3.9
12
148.9


6.
Incarnate Word
11
456
1971
4.3
22
179.2


7.
Southeastern La.
11
449
2027
4.5
20
184.3


8.
Houston Baptist
11
442
2117
4.8
23
192.5


9.
Northwestern State
11
450
2130
4.7
15
193.6


10.
Abilene Christian
11
472
2279
4.8
26
207.2


11.
Lamar
11
509
2530
5.0
29
230.0





PASS OFFENSE
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
Avg.
TD
Avg/G


1.
Sam Houston State
11
298
453
8
65.8
4257
9.4
53
387.0


2.
McNeese
11
280
465
7
60.2
3346
7.2
23
304.2


3.
Stephen F. Austin
11
261
523
10
49.9
3217
6.2
22
292.5


4.
Abilene Christian
11
268
455
8
58.9
3063
6.7
22
278.5


5.
Central Arkansas
11
205
334
8
61.4
2701
8.1
17
245.5


6.
Incarnate Word
11
193
396
8
48.7
2667
6.7
22
242.5


7.
Nicholls
11
203
368
14
55.2
2494
6.8
18
226.7


8.
Southeastern La.
11
147
286
12
51.4
2382
8.3
22
216.5


9.
Lamar
11
200
367
6
54.5
2111
5.8
12
191.9


10.
Northwestern State
11
166
299
11
55.5
1951
6.5
13
177.4


11.
Houston Baptist
11
146
316
4
46.2
1875
5.9
9
170.5





PASS DEFENSE
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
Avg.
TD
Avg/G


1.
Lamar
11
155
290
12
53.4
2082
7.2
13
189.3


2.
Southeastern La.
11
212
381
10
55.6
2404
6.3
18
218.5


3.
Nicholls
11
204
381
15
53.5
2685
7.0
16
244.1


4.
Central Arkansas
11
218
423
14
51.5
2760
6.5
18
250.9


5.
Houston Baptist
11
211
356
3
59.3
2833
8.0
23
257.5


6.
McNeese
11
210
405
8
51.9
2863
7.1
20
260.3


7.
Incarnate Word
11
230
355
1
64.8
2950
8.3
29
268.2


8.
Sam Houston State
11
255
456
7
55.9
2973
6.5
25
270.3


9.
Northwestern State
11
237
403
5
58.8
3017
7.5
30
274.3


10.
Abilene Christian
11
225
362
6
62.2
3064
8.5
28
278.5


11.
Stephen F. Austin
11
255
453
13
56.3
3659
8.1
34
332.6





PASS EFFICIENCY
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
TD
Effic.


1.
Sam Houston State
11
298
453
8
65.8
4257
53
179.8


2.
Central Arkansas
11
205
334
8
61.4
2701
17
141.3


3.
Southeastern La.
11
147
286
12
51.4
2382
22
138.4


4.
McNeese
11
280
465
7
60.2
3346
23
134.0


5.
Abilene Christian
11
268
455
8
58.9
3063
22
127.9


6.
Nicholls
11
203
368
14
55.2
2494
18
120.6


7.
Incarnate Word
11
193
396
8
48.7
2667
22
119.6


8.
Northwestern State
11
166
299
11
55.5
1951
13
117.3


9.
Stephen F. Austin
11
261
523
10
49.9
3217
22
111.6


10.
Lamar
11
200
367
6
54.5
2111
12
110.3


11.
Houston Baptist
11
146
316
4
46.2
1875
9
102.9





PASS DEFENSE EFFIC.
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
TD
Effic.


1.
Central Arkansas
11
218
423
14
51.5
2760
18
113.8


2.
Nicholls
11
204
381
15
53.5
2685
16
118.7


3.
Southeastern La.
11
212
381
10
55.6
2404
18
119.0


4.
Lamar
11
155
290
12
53.4
2082
13
120.3


5.
McNeese
11
210
405
8
51.9
2863
20
123.6


6.
Sam Houston State
11
255
456
7
55.9
2973
25
125.7


7.
Stephen F. Austin
11
255
453
13
56.3
3659
34
143.2


8.
Northwestern State
11
237
403
5
58.8
3017
30
143.8


9.
Houston Baptist
11
211
356
3
59.3
2833
23
145.8


10.
Abilene Christian
11
225
362
6
62.2
3064
28
155.5


11.
Incarnate Word
11
230
355
1
64.8
2950
29
161.0





KICKOFF RETURNS
G
No.
Yards
TD
Avg.


1.
Sam Houston State
11
44
1105
0
25.1


2.
Central Arkansas
11
38
892
1
23.5


3.
McNeese
11
43
1004
1
23.3


4.
Incarnate Word
11
49
1040
0
21.2


5.
Abilene Christian
11
44
914
1
20.8


6.
Lamar
11
48
991
1
20.6


7.
Stephen F. Austin
11
54
1104
0
20.4


8.
Nicholls
11
43
863
0
20.1


9.
Southeastern La.
11
44
878
0
20.0


10.
Northwestern State
11
54
934
0
17.3


11.
Houston Baptist
11
44
680
0
15.5





PUNT RETURN AVG
G
No.
Yards
TD
Avg.


1.
Stephen F. Austin
11
18
218
1
12.1


2.
Lamar
11
22
252
2
11.5


3.
Southeastern La.
11
21
222
1
10.6


4.
Northwestern State
11
20
196
0
9.8


5.
Central Arkansas
11
26
211
1
8.1


6.
Sam Houston State
11
23
171
1
7.4


7.
Abilene Christian
11
22
154
0
7.0


8.
McNeese
11
24
156
0
6.5


9.
Incarnate Word
11
17
105
0
6.2


10.
Nicholls
11
14
54
0
3.9


11.
Houston Baptist
11
11
38
0
3.5





INTERCEPTIONS
G
No.
Yards
TD
Avg.


1.
Nicholls
11
15
222
1
14.8


2.
Central Arkansas
11
14
261
3
18.6


3.
Stephen F. Austin
11
13
170
1
13.1


4.
Lamar
11
12
173
0
14.4


5.
Southeastern La.
11
10
129
1
12.9


6.
McNeese
11
8
222
3
27.8


7.
Sam Houston State
11
7
54
0
7.7


8.
Abilene Christian
11
6
11
0
1.8


9.
Northwestern State
11
5
23
0
4.6


10.
Houston Baptist
11
3
46
0
15.3


11.
Incarnate Word
11
1
0
0
0.0





PUNTING
G
No.
Yards
Avg/P
Ret.
Avg.
TB
Net/P


1.
Sam Houston State
11
46
2059
44.8
71
1.5
7
40.2


2.
Central Arkansas
11
54
2271
42.1
82
1.5
5
38.7


3.
Nicholls
11
69
2770
40.1
156
2.3
6
36.1


4.
Incarnate Word
11
77
3190
41.4
387
5.0
3
35.6


5.
Southeastern La.
11
55
2214
40.3
177
3.2
4
35.6


6.
Houston Baptist
11
80
3328
41.6
404
5.1
4
35.5


7.
Northwestern State
11
55
2214
40.3
201
3.7
3
35.5


8.
McNeese
11
59
2237
37.9
35
0.6
6
35.3


9.
Lamar
11
77
2901
37.7
134
1.7
3
35.2


10.
Abilene Christian
11
69
2724
39.5
184
2.7
6
35.1


11.
Stephen F. Austin
11
84
3042
36.2
148
1.8
6
33.0





KICKOFF COVERAGE
G
No.
Yards
Avg.
Return
TB
Net Avg.


1.
Sam Houston State
11
99
6146
62.1
1281
30
43.1


2.
Central Arkansas
11
70
4156
59.4
845
19
41.9


3.
Houston Baptist
11
47
2881
61.3
584
18
41.2


4.
Northwestern State
11
53
3087
58.2
809
6
40.7


5.
McNeese
11
67
4006
59.8
1054
12
40.5


6.
Southeastern La.
11
62
3535
57.0
940
7
39.6


7.
Stephen F. Austin
11
64
3796
59.3
1187
5
39.2


8.
Abilene Christian
11
59
3349
56.8
942
12
36.7


9.
Lamar
11
48
2634
54.9
884
3
35.2


10.
Nicholls
11
55
2883
52.4
886
4
34.9


11.
Incarnate Word
11
55
3182
57.9
865
22
34.1





FIELD GOALS
G
Made-Att
Pct.


1.
Abilene Christian
11
13-15
.867


2.
McNeese
11
12-16
.750


3.
Northwestern State
11
11-15
.733


4.
Lamar
11
10-14
.714


5.
Stephen F. Austin
11
13-19
.684


6.
Southeastern La.
11
10-15
.667


7.
Houston Baptist
11
16-25
.640


8.
Sam Houston State
11
5-8
.625


9.
Central Arkansas
11
12-21
.571


10.
Nicholls
11
9-18
.500


11.
Incarnate Word
11
4-9
.444





PAT KICKING
G
Made-Att
Pct.


1.
Stephen F. Austin
11
41-41
1.000



Abilene Christian
11
30-30
1.000



Houston Baptist
11
21-21
1.000


4.
Sam Houston State
11
81-83
.976


5.
Nicholls
11
38-39
.974


6.
Lamar
11
26-27
.963


7.
Central Arkansas
11
45-47
.957


8.
Incarnate Word
11
34-36
.944


9.
McNeese
11
40-44
.909


10.
Southeastern La.
11
37-41
.902


11.
Northwestern State
11
26-29
.897





SACKS BY
G
No.
Yards


1.
Sam Houston State
11
36
223


2.
Stephen F. Austin
11
35
213


3.
Central Arkansas
11
27
174


4.
Southeastern La.
11
23
140



McNeese
11
23
124


6.
Nicholls
11
20
103


7.
Houston Baptist
11
19
131



Incarnate Word
11
19
120


9.
Lamar
11
14
86


10.
Northwestern State
11
11
45


11.
Abilene Christian
11
9
55





SACKS AGAINST
G
No.
Yards


1.
Sam Houston State
11
8
58


2.
Central Arkansas
11
13
94


3.
Southeastern La.
11
15
92


4.
Northwestern State
11
18
76


5.
Nicholls
11
20
122


6.
Lamar
11
23
149


7.
McNeese
11
24
138


8.
Abilene Christian
11
26
133


9.
Houston Baptist
11
30
167



Stephen F. Austin
11
30
181


11.
Incarnate Word
11
32
181





FIRST DOWNS
G
Rush
Pass
Pen
Total
Avg/G


1.
Sam Houston State
11
108
170
19
297
27.0


2.
Central Arkansas
11
110
127
24
261
23.7


3.
McNeese
11
81
146
20
247
22.5



Stephen F. Austin
11
79
143
25
247
22.5


5.
Abilene Christian
11
68
137
34
239
21.7


6.
Nicholls
11
87
117
21
225
20.5


7.
Southeastern La.
11
103
92
12
207
18.8


8.
Houston Baptist
11
110
81
14
205
18.6



Incarnate Word
11
62
111
32
205
18.6


10.
Northwestern State
11
94
88
22
204
18.5


11.
Lamar
11
69
87
33
189
17.2





OPPONENT 1ST DOWNS
G
Rush
Pass
Pen
Total
Avg/G


1.
Central Arkansas
11
52
106
29
187
17.0


2.
McNeese
11
56
112
24
192
17.5


3.
Nicholls
11
83
113
18
214
19.5


4.
Lamar
11
121
95
7
223
20.3


5.
Incarnate Word
11
94
122
26
242
22.0



Southeastern La.
11
99
113
30
242
22.0


7.
Sam Houston State
11
91
130
24
245
22.3


8.
Houston Baptist
11
99
120
28
247
22.5


9.
Stephen F. Austin
11
81
145
24
250
22.7


10.
Abilene Christian
11
106
137
20
263
23.9


11.
Northwestern State
11
111
137
20
268
24.4





3RD-DOWN CONVERSIONS
G
Conv.
Att.
Pct.


1.
Sam Houston State
11
79
153
51.6


2.
Central Arkansas
11
95
198
48.0


3.
Abilene Christian
11
77
181
42.5


4.
Nicholls
11
70
178
39.3


5.
McNeese
11
64
173
37.0


6.
Southeastern La.
11
55
150
36.7


7.
Stephen F. Austin
11
73
206
35.4


8.
Houston Baptist
11
61
189
32.3


9.
Incarnate Word
11
54
171
31.6


10.
Northwestern State
11
41
135
30.4


11.
Lamar
11
44
173
25.4





OPP 3RD-DN CONVERT
G
Conv.
Att.
Pct.


1.
Central Arkansas
11
53
175
30.3


2.
McNeese
11
50
160
31.2


3.
Sam Houston State
11
71
195
36.4


4.
Nicholls
11
63
172
36.6


5.
Lamar
11
61
163
37.4


6.
Stephen F. Austin
11
73
192
38.0


7.
Southeastern La.
11
66
166
39.8


8.
Houston Baptist
11
66
162
40.7


9.
Incarnate Word
11
64
157
40.8


10.
Abilene Christian
11
71
162
43.8


11.
Northwestern State
11
80
176
45.5





4TH-DOWN CONVERSIONS
G
Conv.
Att.
Pct.


1.
Nicholls
11
12
14
85.7


2.
Houston Baptist
11
10
16
62.5


3.
Central Arkansas
11
13
22
59.1


4.
McNeese
11
14
24
58.3


5.
Sam Houston State
11
7
13
53.8


6.
Lamar
11
17
33
51.5


7.
Incarnate Word
11
13
28
46.4


8.
Abilene Christian
11
7
17
41.2


9.
Northwestern State
11
7
19
36.8


10.
Stephen F. Austin
11
5
18
27.8


11.
Southeastern La.
11
4
15
26.7





OPP 4TH-DN CONVERT
G
Conv.
Att.
Pct.


1.
McNeese
11
5
18
27.8


2.
Abilene Christian
11
6
17
35.3


3.
Central Arkansas
11
8
20
40.0



Southeastern La.
11
8
20
40.0


5.
Houston Baptist
11
10
19
52.6


6.
Incarnate Word
11
9
17
52.9


7.
Stephen F. Austin
11
9
16
56.2


8.
Northwestern State
11
12
21
57.1


9.
Sam Houston State
11
14
24
58.3


10.
Nicholls
11
12
20
60.0


11.
Lamar
11
14
22
63.6





PENALTIES
G
No.
Yards
Avg/G


1.
Lamar
11
60
467
42.5


2.
Nicholls
11
65
530
48.2


3.
Abilene Christian
11
74
642
58.4


4.
Northwestern State
11
76
682
62.0



Houston Baptist
11
78
682
62.0


6.
McNeese
11
74
716
65.1


7.
Incarnate Word
11
76
737
67.0


8.
Stephen F. Austin
11
86
764
69.5


9.
Southeastern La.
11
92
805
73.2


10.
Sam Houston State
11
78
850
77.3


11.
Central Arkansas
11
91
877
79.7





OPPONENT PENALTIES
G
No.
Yards
Avg/G


1.
Nicholls
11
93
950
86.4


2.
Abilene Christian
11
100
896
81.5


3.
Lamar
11
75
758
68.9


4.
Incarnate Word
11
88
752
68.4


5.
McNeese
11
75
727
66.1


6.
Northwestern State
11
77
705
64.1


7.
Central Arkansas
11
72
651
59.2


8.
Stephen F. Austin
11
78
629
57.2


9.
Sam Houston State
11
69
607
55.2


10.
Southeastern La.
11
54
520
47.3


11.
Houston Baptist
11
60
513
46.6





TIME OF POSSESSION
G
Poss. Time
Avg/G


1.
Central Arkansas
11
369:59
33:38


2.
McNeese
11
366:41
33:20


3.
Nicholls
11
344:16
31:17


4.
Houston Baptist
11
339:13
30:50


5.
Lamar
11
324:33
29:30


6.
Incarnate Word
11
324:06
29:27


7.
Southeastern La.
11
322:57
29:21


8.
Northwestern State
11
312:17
28:23


9.
Abilene Christian
11
311:41
28:20



Stephen F. Austin
11
311:40
28:20


11.
Sam Houston State
11
303:18
27:34






Gained
Lost



TURNOVER MARGIN
G
Fumb
Int
Total
Fumb
Int
Total
Margin
Per/G


1.
Sam Houston State
11
11
7
18
4
8
12
+6
0.55


2.
Stephen F. Austin
11
13
13
26
11
10
21
+5
0.45



Central Arkansas
11
12
14
26
13
8
21
+5
0.45


4.
Lamar
11
7
12
19
9
6
15
+4
0.36


5.
Incarnate Word
11
14
1
15
7
8
15
+0
0.00



Nicholls
11
5
15
20
6
14
20
+0
0.00


7.
Houston Baptist
11
6
3
9
6
4
10
-1
-0.09


8.
Southeastern La.
11
9
10
19
12
12
24
-5
-0.45



Abilene Christian
11
7
6
13
10
8
18
-5
-0.45



McNeese
11
6
8
14
12
7
19
-5
-0.45



Northwestern State
11
6
5
11
5
11
16
-5
-0.45






Red Zone
Touchdowns
Field Goals
Lost possession


RED ZONE OFFENSE
G
Scores-Chances
Pct.
TDs
Rush-Pass
Made-Att
Fumb
Int.
Downs
Other


1.
Abilene Christian
11
30-34
88.2
23
11-12
7-9
0
1
1
0


2.
McNeese
11
41-47
87.2
31
15-16
10-13
0
0
1
2


3.
Stephen F. Austin
11
35-41
85.4
23
14-9
12-14
1
0
2
1


4.
Sam Houston State
11
56-66
84.8
53
26-27
3-5
2
2
3
1


5.
Southeastern La.
11
33-39
84.6
25
11-14
8-9
1
0
2
2


6.
Incarnate Word
11
25-31
80.6
21
12-9
4-7
0
1
2
0


7.
Nicholls
11
36-45
80.0
27
20-7
9-13
1
1
0
3


8.
Lamar
11
24-31
77.4
14
8-6
10-11
1
0
5
0


9.
Northwestern State
11
26-34
76.5
19
14-5
7-9
0
2
4
0


10.
Central Arkansas
11
44-58
75.9
35
25-10
9-13
2
3
2
3


11.
Houston Baptist
11
21-31
67.7
10
8-2
11-16
1
0
2
2






Red Zone
Touchdowns
Field Goals
Lost possession


RED ZONE DEFENSE
G
Scores-Chances
Pct.
TDs
Rush-Pass
Made-Att
Fumb
Int.
Downs
Other


1.
Southeastern La.
11
38-52
73.1
30
17-13
8-14
2
2
3
1


2.
Central Arkansas
11
21-28
75.0
12
7-5
9-10
1
1
4
0



Lamar
11
36-48
75.0
31
26-5
5-11
1
0
5
0


4.
Nicholls
11
33-42
78.6
23
16-7
10-12
1
1
3
2


5.
Abilene Christian
11
43-52
82.7
36
20-16
7-9
0
2
4
1


6.
Incarnate Word
11
39-47
83.0
35
20-15
4-6
2
0
2
2


7.
Stephen F. Austin
11
38-45
84.4
29
14-15
9-10
1
3
1
1


8.
Northwestern State
11
48-56
85.7
35
14-21
13-13
2
1
2
3


9.
Sam Houston State
11
25-29
86.2
19
6-13
6-7
0
0
2
1


10.
Houston Baptist
11
40-46
87.0
31
17-14
9-12
0
0
1
2


11.
McNeese
11
28-30
93.3
20
12-8
8-8
1
0
1
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Stephen F. Austin
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Southeastern La.
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Nicholls
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Lamar
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Central Arkansas
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Houston Baptist
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McNeese
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Incarnate Word
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Northwestern State
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McNeese
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Sam Houston State
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Incarnate Word
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Abilene Christian
11
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Stephen F. Austin
11
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Northwestern State
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Southeastern La.
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100.0



Houston Baptist
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1-1
100.0



Lamar
11
1-1
100.0



Central Arkansas
11
1-1
100.0

[NDSUtk]

Im not sure really where to find them as I looked the other day briefly.

But something somewhat crazy to believe is that if we get to Fargo by chance it's likely we go there with a a QB that has 65-70td and 5,000 yards,
2 - 1,000 yard rushers
3 - 1,000 yard receivers
Not trying to be a jerk, but I don't think it's "likely" that all of those will happen. I think you are overinflating slightly - they are still very impressive numbers though. Just saying the ones you're saying are likely to come to Fargo with, are overinflated - plus I think the next two games will slow your defense compared to season average. Chatty seems pretty strong defensively and I'd personally be surprised if your season averages continue. I'd assume even the Kats fans would agree Chatty is considerably stronger than the average opponent this season.

You have two games before the semifinals. So if you look at it that way:
QB:
4,096 yards averaging 372.4 YPG, which would be: 4,840 yards.
52 TD's in 11 games for an average of 4.7 TD's per game, so that puts him on pace for 61. To get to 65, he'll need 13 passing TD's in 2 games...I just don't see that happening. Then again, I also didn't think he's throw 7 on UCA...so I could be surprised again!

RB:
Bulmer has 827 averaging 73.3 yards, which would put him close to the 1,000 mark at 953
Avery has 720 yards, averaging 70.9, so he'd be considerably short of 1,000 at 862.

WR:
No issues on your guess there based on averages! Davis would be slightly under but very close.

However, like I said, I just don't see those averages continuing this weekend. I may very well eat my words, but I don't see you torching Chatty to that level. Just my personal opinion. It takes nothing away from your prolific offense, I just am a bit literal so when I see these things, I like to poke into the details.

[milleniumkat]

I have seen their stats, I was hoping I could look at the conference stats and that would make me feel better :)

It looks like they have a world class offense, with a below average defense to me. It will be whether we can slow them down enough and control the ball enough to win. This will be a higher scoring game.

The defense isn't on the same level as the offense by any means. But most of the yards and points given up by the defense have been mainly second half. At that point a few weeks ago shsu had out scored teams in first half by some crazy amount. The defense has played well early when it needed to, then has had some focus issues later in games. You guys have the most balanced offense that we have played tho ago it should be interesting I can see it going several directions and none would surprise me.


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[Katfan]

I have seen their stats, I was hoping I could look at the conference stats and that would make me feel better :)

It looks like they have a world class offense, with a below average defense to me. It will be whether we can slow them down enough and control the ball enough to win. This will be a higher scoring game.
Our D isn't great, but it's better than most give them credit for. Notice the first half points, sacks and tackles for loss. Should be one of the better games of the second round imo.

[fmrbearkat]

I have seen their stats, I was hoping I could look at the conference stats and that would make me feel better :)

It looks like they have a world class offense, with a below average defense to me. It will be whether we can slow them down enough and control the ball enough to win. This will be a higher scoring game.
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23967&stc=1
Looks can be deceiving. This is all you need to look at.

[fmrbearkat]

Not trying to be a jerk, but I don't think it's "likely" that all of those will happen. I think you are overinflating slightly - they are still very impressive numbers though. Just saying the ones you're saying are likely to come to Fargo with, are overinflated - plus I think the next two games will slow your defense compared to season average. Chatty seems pretty strong defensively and I'd personally be surprised if your season averages continue. I'd assume even the Kats fans would agree Chatty is considerably stronger than the average opponent this season.

You have two games before the semifinals. So if you look at it that way:
QB:
4,096 yards averaging 372.4 YPG, which would be: 4,840 yards.
52 TD's in 11 games for an average of 4.7 TD's per game, so that puts him on pace for 61. To get to 65, he'll need 13 passing TD's in 2 games...I just don't see that happening. Then again, I also didn't think he's throw 7 on UCA...so I could be surprised again!

RB:
Bulmer has 827 averaging 73.3 yards, which would put him close to the 1,000 mark at 953
Avery has 720 yards, averaging 70.9, so he'd be considerably short of 1,000 at 862.

WR:
No issues on your guess there based on averages! Davis would be slightly under but very close.

However, like I said, I just don't see those averages continuing this weekend. I may very well eat my words, but I don't see you torching Chatty to that level. Just my personal opinion. It takes nothing away from your prolific offense, I just am a bit literal so when I see these things, I like to poke into the details.

Your right I should have said leaving Fargo with those numbers. In my head I was giving them 3 Games to rech those numbers. Apologies.

Avery has missed 3 or 4 games and played very sparingly in the last 2 because of a groin/hiplflexor type injury. With rest he will be 100% and get the majority of the work as he's the best by far.

[milleniumkat]

So you could look at every stat in sports history and cut it down to overinflated in some way. How many pitchers have strikeout records vs bad hitters? Etc. To me, cutting into Briscoe and shsu's stats is just one more way people try to avoid giving credit. And i'm not trying to be a jerk either.

I mean, why can't we just look at stats for what they are, interesting and fun historical numbers. That's all. Why does every discussion of a stat have to be some back handed negative comment. Get over it.


www.MKsavedAGS.com

[TheKingpin28]

So you could look at every stat in sports history and cut it down to overinflated in some way. How many pitchers have strikeout records vs bad hitters? Etc. To me, cutting into Briscoe and shsu's stats is just one more way people try to avoid giving credit. And i'm not trying to be a jerk either.

I mean, why can't we just look at stats for what they are, interesting and fun historical numbers. That's all. Why does every discussion of a stat have to be some back handed negative comment. Get over it.


www.MKsavedAGS.com (http://www.MKsavedAGS.com)

So if, let's say, the New England Patriots were to play the Cleveland Browns for 16 straight weeks (or 11 to equate to the college schedule), since they are about as equal as the Southland conference to SHSU, if they put up stats that are mind blowing, we should just accept them for what they are and not question it whatsoever? Yeah that is called being lazy. It is kind of like Porcello winning the Cy Young. I love the Red Sox, but if we just look at the W-L record, then he was far and away the best, but his advanced stats put him consistently between 2-4. Or how about San Diego. Since they play in the PFL and that is about as strong as SHSU SOS, should we accept them as the 6th best rushing defense in the nation, or should we look at who they played?

I get that you are about as bright as a half lit Christmas Tree, but do not go around gloating and then let that be your excuse for failing to understand the reality of life. We get it, Briscoe is good, but when you play that schedule, most solid FCS QBs would put up those numbers.

[BEAR]

I'll give Sam an advantage for three reasons:

1. Solid QB. Briscoe has the ability to scan the field quickly and he has an uncanny ability to land the ball exactly where it needs to be. While not the "it" factor of a Nathan Brown, the skill set is solid. But that brings me to the "why" he is so good IMO...

2. The Oline. Big. Strong. Rarely let anyone through. They give Briscoe all the time he needs...which in turn gives the

3. Wide receivers the extra time to use their speed and talents to get open. DBs and CBs can only cover for so long. Sammys WRs tend to get open. But they get open also because..

4. Coaching. They have a couple of coaches that call the plays that work. They don't get stuck for very long. Adjustments are made quickly.

Sammys defense is lacking but their offense more than makes up for it.

[milleniumkat]

So if, let's say, the New England Patriots were to play the Cleveland Browns for 16 straight weeks (or 11 to equate to the college schedule), since they are about as equal as the Southland conference to SHSU, if they put up stats that are mind blowing, we should just accept them for what they are and not question it whatsoever? Yeah that is called being lazy. It is kind of like Porcello winning the Cy Young. I love the Red Sox, but if we just look at the W-L record, then he was far and away the best, but his advanced stats put him consistently between 2-4. Or how about San Diego. Since they play in the PFL and that is about as strong as SHSU SOS, should we accept them as the 6th best rushing defense in the nation, or should we look at who they played?

I get that you are about as bright as a half lit Christmas Tree, but do not go around gloating and then let that be your excuse for failing to understand the reality of life. We get it, Briscoe is good, but when you play that schedule, most solid FCS QBs would put up those numbers.

So I guess put an asterisk next to every stat because no one really ever beat top flight teams every time out. Maybe we should just split it up to who did what against who? Sure, if we are stat nerds, maybe that would be importan.But in Briscoe's case, he destroys your theory, because he did the EXACT same thing to a team that just won a playoff team that he did to every other SLC team, there was literally no difference. If he had come out and got his are whipped by every good team he has played, your point would be valid.

No QB has EVER played all teams with winning records. So this conversation is just retarded. I see your point, but to make more than just a passing reference to it is just dumb and reveals your agenda.

Who did Colt Brennan play against? was it Power 5 Teams? What about Case Keenum? David Klingler? Records are records because you play who's in front of you. Are you saying that SHSU is the first team to play a soft schedule? Is the SLC in 2016 the worst ever? NO! We are not the first team IN HISTORY to play soft teams. yet in 100+ years, only a handful of QB's have done what he's done, and perhaps in a few more game, if we keep winning...he will be all by himself. Steve MCNair won the Heisman playing against SWAC teams, and no one cares. He went on to a great pro career,....you do what you do against who is on your schedule.

HISTORY, destroys the validity of your argument. "MOST SOLID QB's would do that" Really? Well then why have they not done it in 100 years??

[milleniumkat]

Let me put it any other way Dylan,

The OVC, for example is a weaker conference this season than the SLC, 2 playoff teams compared to 1 proves that for THIS year.

So, there are SOLID QB's there, then why are they not approaching those numbers?

Dylan responds: "Because the defenses are better"

MK destroys that retort: "But how can you say that when its just as possible that the defenses look good because of a lack of skill players on offense across the league combined with a league full of vanilla offenses?

Dylan: "Well I don't like to think about that because it flys in the face of my shsu hate"

Mk feels bad for Dylan: "Ok little buddy, nighty night"

[katstrapper]

I think one of the biggest advantages in this game will be when the Kat O gets into rhythm in their up-tempo pace. They can and will get to the line of scrimmage pretty dang quick and will be running a play before you can blink your eyes.

[caribbeanhen]

So if, let's say, the New England Patriots were to play the Cleveland Browns for 16 straight weeks (or 11 to equate to the college schedule), since they are about as equal as the Southland conference to SHSU, if they put up stats that are mind blowing, we should just accept them for what they are and not question it whatsoever? Yeah that is called being lazy. It is kind of like Porcello winning the Cy Young. I love the Red Sox, but if we just look at the W-L record, then he was far and away the best, but his advanced stats put him consistently between 2-4. Or how about San Diego. Since they play in the PFL and that is about as strong as SHSU SOS, should we accept them as the 6th best rushing defense in the nation, or should we look at who they played?

I get that you are about as bright as a half lit Christmas Tree, but do not go around gloating and then let that be your excuse for failing to understand the reality of life. We get it, Briscoe is good, but when you play that schedule, most solid FCS QBs would put up those numbers.

you were doing good until that last sentence, Briscoe is in the Zone.....

[Katfan]

you were doing good until that last sentence, Briscoe is in the Zone.....
Well if Guburd throws 7td passes Saturday we'll know better

[TheKingpin28]

Let me put it any other way Dylan,

The OVC, for example is a weaker conference this season than the SLC, 2 playoff teams compared to 1 proves that for THIS year.

So, there are SOLID QB's there, then why are they not approaching those numbers?

Dylan responds: "Because the defenses are better"

MK destroys that retort: "But how can you say that when its just as possible that the defenses look good because of a lack of skill players on offense across the league combined with a league full of vanilla offenses?

Dylan: "Well I don't like to think about that because it flys in the face of my shsu hate"

Mk feels bad for Dylan: "Ok little buddy, nighty night"

Great, you know my first name. I have no hate towards SHSU, just the mantra that "Oh you have never seen this, hur dur Southern Speed, we come here when our teams are winning and come in swinging and get shown the door once we lose and do not return until they do well again."

The only teams I actually "hate" would be the GFCC team formerly known as the Sioux, the Gophers, the Cornhuskers, Texas, #rolltide and the SEC, Michigan, and Ohio State. You can keep playing the victim card all you would like but it is not working and it has no value.

[milleniumkat]

Well if Guburd throws 7td passes Saturday we'll know better

lol. BINGO!


www.MKsavedAGS.com

[milleniumkat]

Great, you know my first name. I have no hate towards SHSU, just the mantra that "Oh you have never seen this, hur dur Southern Speed, we come here when our teams are winning and come in swinging and get shown the door once we lose and do not return until they do well again."

The only teams I actually "hate" would be the GFCC team formerly known as the Sioux, the Gophers, the Cornhuskers, Texas, #rolltide and the SEC, Michigan, and Ohio State. You can keep playing the victim card all you would like but it is not working and it has no value.

Well i'm sorry you feel that way, but i've never said anything about southern speed or you've never seen this.

But

I'm guessing you've never seen a an offense like this because it's one of the best of all time.

If we make to fargo, you guys may shut it down. But that doesn't mean that it wasn't a good offense...it may just mean that you guys are that good. Give yourselves some credit.


www.MKsavedAGS.com

[TheKingpin28]

you were doing good until that last sentence, Briscoe is in the Zone.....

Look at Gubrud, Lauletta (before he got injured), and TC of SDSU. You give them the schedule of the SLC outside SHSU, and you are telling me they would not throw for 4,000 yards and 50 TDs? Look at each individually.

Passing Yards

SHSUs Savior: 4096: (Southland Defense)
Gubrud: 4071 (Big Sky Defense)
Lauletta: 3022 (CAA Defense)
TC: 3369 (MVFC Defense)

Passing TDs

SHSUs Savior: 52
Gubrud: 40
Lauletta: 24
TC: 29

Passing YPG

SHSUs Savior: 372.4
Gubrud: 370.1
Lauletta: 274.7
TC: 306.3

1 Missouri Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=85697&s=286577) 27.02
2 Southern (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14064&s=286577) 41.05
3 Colonial (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=11246&s=286577) 45.71
4 Big South (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10672&s=286577) 45.95
5 Big Sky (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10668&s=286577) 48.58
6 OH Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13193&s=286577) 62.21
7 Southland (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14112&s=286577) 63.88

Are you honestly going to tell me, this includes MK, that non of these QBs would equal or be better than Briscoe? Honestly, to say anything other than, Briscoe is good, but put these 3 QBs in his situation and they would meet or exceed expectations is just asinine.

[Mocs123]

We don't want to get into a shootout with the high powered Bearkats offense. Our best bet is to try and control the clock and keep Sam Houston's offense off the field.

[katstrapper]

Look at Gubrud, Lauletta (before he got injured), and TC of SDSU. You give them the schedule of the SLC outside SHSU, and you are telling me they would not throw for 4,000 yards and 50 TDs? Look at each individually.

Passing Yards

SHSUs Savior: 4096: (Southland Defense)
Gubrud: 4071 (Big Sky Defense)
Lauletta: 3022 (CAA Defense)
TC: 3369 (MVFC Defense)

Passing TDs

SHSUs Savior: 52
Gubrud: 40
Lauletta: 24
TC: 29

Passing YPG

SHSUs Savior: 372.4
Gubrud: 370.1
Lauletta: 274.7
TC: 306.3

1 Missouri Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=85697&s=286577) 27.02
2 Southern (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14064&s=286577) 41.05
3 Colonial (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=11246&s=286577) 45.71
4 Big South (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10672&s=286577) 45.95
5 Big Sky (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10668&s=286577) 48.58
6 OH Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13193&s=286577) 62.21
7 Southland (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14112&s=286577) 63.88

Are you honestly going to tell me, this includes MK, that non of these QBs would equal or be better than Briscoe? Honestly, to say anything other than, Briscoe is good, but put these 3 QBs in his situation and they would meet or exceed expectations is just asinine.

xblahx

[TheRevSFA]

Well i'm sorry you feel that way, but i've never said anything about southern speed or you've never seen this.

But

I'm guessing you've never seen a an offense like this because it's one of the best of all time.

If we make to fargo, you guys may shut it down. But that doesn't mean that it wasn't a good offense...it may just mean that you guys are that good. Give yourselves some credit.


www.MKsavedAGS.com (http://www.MKsavedAGS.com)

You played **** opponents. Christ almighty. Only two wins were against teams over .500. You rolled through a cupcake ****ing schedule, and yes that includes my alma mater for those of you who want to use that as a ****ing response. No one knows how good Sam is because the only team they've played worth two flying ****s is UCA

If Sam wins a natty then great! However, don't be surprised when Sam bows out like they tend to do to superior competition

Jesus ****ing Christ....

or let me put it to you another way, cupcakes taste sweet but you only end up getting diabetes from them

[NDSUtk]

Your right I should have said leaving Fargo with those numbers. In my head I was giving them 3 Games to rech those numbers. Apologies.

Avery has missed 3 or 4 games and played very sparingly in the last 2 because of a groin/hiplflexor type injury. With rest he will be 100% and get the majority of the work as he's the best by far.
Based on that, you're spot on with your numbers. Although I hear you only have one game left this season...

[NDSUtk]

So you could look at every stat in sports history and cut it down to overinflated in some way. How many pitchers have strikeout records vs bad hitters? Etc. To me, cutting into Briscoe and shsu's stats is just one more way people try to avoid giving credit. And i'm not trying to be a jerk either.

I mean, why can't we just look at stats for what they are, interesting and fun historical numbers. That's all. Why does every discussion of a stat have to be some back handed negative comment. Get over it.


www.MKsavedAGS.com
I wasn't arguing the stats and their validity, I was debating his forecasted numbers. But we got squared away. The numbers are as you said what they are. 5,000 yards against any schedule is impressive.

[McNeese75]

The Kats have 4 good receivers. It's not all about Briscoe!! It was fun watching Briscoe warming up with the WRs before our game (although it was also an OH **** moment). I can't believe I am here defending the KATS! xsmhx MK, Nickels, et al , y'all ****ers owe me. xnodx

https://www.xandolabs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2878:interview-with-mike-leach&catid=94&Itemid=162


(https://www.xandolabs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2878:interview-with-mike-leach&catid=94&Itemid=162)

[UNHWildcat18]

You played **** opponents. Christ almighty. Only two wins were against teams over .500. You rolled through a cupcake ****ing schedule, and yes that includes my alma mater for those of you who want to use that as a ****ing response. No one knows how good Sam is because the only team they've played worth two flying ****s is UCA

If Sam wins a natty then great! However, don't be surprised when Sam bows out like they tend to do to superior competition

Jesus ****ing Christ....

or let me put it to you another way, cupcakes taste sweet but you only end up getting diabetes from them


BURNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!! SHSU BUNCH of FAT ****S, Chatty gonna rollllllllllll

[Schwarz04]

Well i'm sorry you feel that way, but i've never said anything about southern speed or you've never seen this.

But

I'm guessing you've never seen a an offense like this because it's one of the best of all time.

If we make to fargo, you guys may shut it down. But that doesn't mean that it wasn't a good offense...it may just mean that you guys are that good. Give yourselves some credit.


www.MKsavedAGS.com (http://www.MKsavedAGS.com)

I've heard this before...usually from a team with a good offense up against a less than good schedule. NDSU is a bit more vulnerable on the defensive end this year though with our mounting injuries... IMO I still think NDSU would be okay without multiple turnovers in a potential matchup though.

[jmufan999]

from what i understand, Chatty has an excellent DL. from what i also understand, SHSU has an excellent OL. my gut tells me this is where the game is won. if Chatty can whip the a**es (not sure if i can say that here) of the SHSU OL, they will win. otherwise, Briscoe has all day to throw and even with a good pass defense, there are too many weapons.

line play on both sides when SHSU has the ball will determine the outcome.

[Katfan]

from what i understand, Chatty has an excellent DL. from what i also understand, SHSU has an excellent OL. my gut tells me this is where the game is won. if Chatty can whip the a**es (not sure if i can say that here) of the SHSU OL, they will win. otherwise, Briscoe has all day to throw and even with a good pass defense, there are too many weapons.

line play on both sides when SHSU has the ball will determine the outcome.
This

[chattanoogamocs]

from what i understand, Chatty has an excellent DL. from what i also understand, SHSU has an excellent OL. my gut tells me this is where the game is won. if Chatty can whip the a**es (not sure if i can say that here) of the SHSU OL, they will win. otherwise, Briscoe has all day to throw and even with a good pass defense, there are too many weapons.

line play on both sides when SHSU has the ball will determine the outcome.

As good as SHSU's offense is, even if the Mocs DL has a great game against them, I still think UTC also needs to have a big edge in TOP to get a win. Best way to limit Briscoe is to keep him off the field as much as possible.

And obviously, getting off to a good start offensively is crucial for the Mocs to have a chance. Playing a high powered offense on the road would be very difficult to catch up with if they get behind early.

[fmrbearkat]

from what i understand, Chatty has an excellent DL. from what i also understand, SHSU has an excellent OL. my gut tells me this is where the game is won. if Chatty can whip the a**es (not sure if i can say that here) of the SHSU OL, they will win. otherwise, Briscoe has all day to throw and even with a good pass defense, there are too many weapons.

line play on both sides when SHSU has the ball will determine the outcome.


Our OL and Chatty's DL are a wash. I know Chatty's DL is good but our boys are too.

Biggest advantage will be our DL against their OL. Weber St. got ALOT of pressure on Chatty and they aren't half as good or deep as the Kats DL. We've got 4 ends that could start on most of these playoff teams. PJ Hall and Mouf Adebo as well at Texas transfer Dereck Roberson and Missouri transfer Marcus Loud. Our big boys (Sioni Latu and De LaRossa)in the middle are very athletic but De LaRossa got a high ankle against UCA and I doubt we see him. Good thing is thee are 5 interior guys that see a lot of 1st half action so we still have 4 capable.

http://www.gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=211220015&DB_OEM_ID=19900

http://www.gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=211169592&DB_OEM_ID=19900

The next advantage is our receivers vs Chatty's secondary. There was space every where against Weber but they didn't have the people in place to execute. Had nothing to do with how good the CB's are. There was still space anyway you look at it.
It's not a southern speed deal (although Stewart and Davis can fly) It's a big OL who gives the QB time to throw. It's the QB that hits tight tight spots and receivers that can create space, get open, and even if it's tight coverage and contested they usually still come down with it. Hell #9 Yedi Louis was our best receiver week in and week out last year and he's probably #3 on this team.

My bet is we see ALOT of Myke Chatman again this week at LB like we did vs UCA. He's a run stopping backer up the middle but has an issue tackling on the perimeter. He didn't play a lot this season but last week I saw a twist in the D which I believe helped the improvement we saw. They played the safety (Darion Flowers is listed as a LB but he's a safety and IMO the 2nd best defensive player on our team. Also didn't play until week 5/6 due to an injury) closer to the line with Chatman and Davis or Okotcha guarding the field side.

UCA and Chatty are very similar in many spots. Chatty may be better in some areas but in general they are the style. Will be interesting to see what games and scheme changes these coaches can come up with. They've been game planning for Chatty all week. There wasn't much doubt in anybody's minds who we would be playing. Longo has a savant like mind with an extremely high IQ. He's going to have some wrinkles ready.

NDSU wins because of coaching and execution. This is the first time I can say we execute with precision and don't make mistakes. That's the blueprint that has won 5 championships in a row. Not size, toughness or athletes. Coaches that knows how to scheme for each team and players that execute without stupid mistakes.

[JSUSoutherner]

I love how the Sam fans are so caught up in their offense. We had a super high powered offense last year. We got our ass kicked when it counted.

Defense wins championships. Trust me. I've been where you are now. I've seen how the story ends.

[Sammy94]

We don't want to get into a shootout with the high powered Bearkats offense. Our best bet is to try and control the clock and keep Sam Houston's offense off the field.

I have no doubt Chatty will win TOP as most of our opponents have this season.

[Sammy94]

I love how the Sam fans are so caught up in their offense. We had a super high powered offense last year. We got our ass kicked when it counted.

Defense wins championships. Trust me. I've been where you are now. I've seen how the story ends.

Lol like we haven't been there before.

[JSUSoutherner]

Lol like we haven't been there before.
Which is why I'm even more confused as to why you think this is any different.

[fmrbearkat]

I love how the Sam fans are so caught up in their offense. We had a super high powered offense last year. We got our ass kicked when it counted.

Defense wins championships. Trust me. I've been where you are now. I've seen how the story ends.

if your not a jackass and watch games then the first half numbers. Tell you our defense is pretty good. Not JSU good or Chatty good but it's good enough when you play disciplined and mistake free.

Those two two things have never been associated with JSU. Read the entire last paragraph. If you have a turnover prone offense or get stupid penalties then your right.

[Sammy94]

Which is why I'm even more confused as to why you think this is any different.

Where did that offense go? If it was still there, I would really like your chances better this season.

[JSUSoutherner]

Where did that offense go? If it was still there, I would really like your chances better this season.
Yeah me too. Not sure where it is. Hoping it shows up again this weekend.

[TheKingpin28]

Which is why I'm even more confused as to why you think this is any different.

Welcome to what most have been saying for the last X amount of years. The fact that "we" as in the opponents have never seen this before is what grinds my gears since sound defense will usually triumph over sound offense. Most of us on here keep trying to say that, but the Novembrists come here to brag and swing, to only leave with their tails tucked between their legs and disappear again until they have another team like what they have and repeat the same **** over and over. It is the never ending cycle of stupidity.

[Schwarz04]

if your not a jackass and watch games then the first half numbers. Tell you our defense is pretty good. Not JSU good or Chatty good but it's good enough when you play disciplined and mistake free.

Those two two things have never been associated with JSU. Read the entire last paragraph. If you have a turnover prone offense or get stupid penalties then your right.

So what's the story with the defense? If they are good, why not just play a complete game, and then there would be no need to score 60 points to win. Are you saying that SHSU typically tries to run up the score in the first half, then put in the 2nd team defense? Just trying to understand your argument...

[Bisonoline]

Welcome to what most have been saying for the last X amount of years. The fact that "we" as in the opponents have never seen this before is what grinds my gears since sound defense will usually triumph over sound offense. Most of us on here keep trying to say that, but the Novembrists come here to brag and swing, to only leave with their tails tucked between their legs and disappear again until they have another team like what they have and repeat the same **** over and over. It is the never ending cycle of stupidity.

Dont let it grind your gears. Thats why they are here. Nothing but mindless mouth pieces. We here the same BS every year.

[JaxSinfonian]

Where did that offense go? If it was still there, I would really like your chances better this season.

The No. 2 and No. 3 receivers from 2015 graduated, and their replacements haven't quite lived up to expectations, leaving the No. 1 guy - Barge - a lone target for both Eli Jenkins and defenders. That he's played most of the season injured only makes things worse. It has been difficult, meanwhile, to replace the No. 1 running back from last year, Troymaine Pope. For all the hype around his arrival, Roc Thomas hasn't quite been able to fill Pope's shoes, nor has Josh Clemons. Of course, Pope never really got into beast mode until the 2015 playoffs, so maybe we're yet to see the best from those guys. Jenkins, meanwhile, hasn't quite seemed his old self. Again, though, Eli didn't become the Eli we all know now until the playoff run in 2013. And of course, I'm saying this about a guy who ran four touchdowns in the last game he played. The line this year isn't really all that different from last year, though we did lose some important contributors.

If those skill players can switch on Saturday whatever magic they'd harnessed last year and the defense continues doing what it's done all season, JSU might win handily. If the offense struggles, the defense should still give them a chance to win.

Sorry, I just realized how terribly off-topic this is, but you asked. Now, back to the Mocs-Kats discussion ...

[longtimemocfan]

Our OL and Chatty's DL are a wash. I know Chatty's DL is good but our boys are too.

Biggest advantage will be our DL against their OL. Weber St. got ALOT of pressure on Chatty and they aren't half as good or deep as the Kats DL. We've got 4 ends that could start on most of these playoff teams. PJ Hall and Mouf Adebo as well at Texas transfer Dereck Roberson and Missouri transfer Marcus Loud. Our big boys (Sioni Latu and De LaRossa)in the middle are very athletic but De LaRossa got a high ankle against UCA and I doubt we see him. Good thing is thee are 5 interior guys that see a lot of 1st half action so we still have 4 capable.

http://www.gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=211220015&DB_OEM_ID=19900

http://www.gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=211169592&DB_OEM_ID=19900

The next advantage is our receivers vs Chatty's secondary. There was space every where against Weber but they didn't have the people in place to execute. Had nothing to do with how good the CB's are. There was still space anyway you look at it.
It's not a southern speed deal (although Stewart and Davis can fly) It's a big OL who gives the QB time to throw. It's the QB that hits tight tight spots and receivers that can create space, get open, and even if it's tight coverage and contested they usually still come down with it. Hell #9 Yedi Louis was our best receiver week in and week out last year and he's probably #3 on this team.

My bet is we see ALOT of Myke Chatman again this week at LB like we did vs UCA. He's a run stopping backer up the middle but has an issue tackling on the perimeter. He didn't play a lot this season but last week I saw a twist in the D which I believe helped the improvement we saw. They played the safety (Darion Flowers is listed as a LB but he's a safety and IMO the 2nd best defensive player on our team. Also didn't play until week 5/6 due to an injury) closer to the line with Chatman and Davis or Okotcha guarding the field side.

UCA and Chatty are very similar in many spots. Chatty may be better in some areas but in general they are the style. Will be interesting to see what games and scheme changes these coaches can come up with. They've been game planning for Chatty all week. There wasn't much doubt in anybody's minds who we would be playing. Longo has a savant like mind with an extremely high IQ. He's going to have some wrinkles ready.

NDSU wins because of coaching and execution. This is the first time I can say we execute with precision and don't make mistakes. That's the blueprint that has won 5 championships in a row. Not size, toughness or athletes. Coaches that knows how to scheme for each team and players that execute without stupid mistakes.


The reason Webber got so much pressure was they were blitzing nearly every down especially after we crossed midfield. We did burn them on some hot reads, but we still need a better job if teams continue to bring multiple defenders. Not sure why you are so convinced your DL is better than WSU's. They had better numbers on defense than SHSU and played in a better conference. They're numbers had really improved against the run as the season had progressed.

[JSUSoutherner]

The reason Webber got so much pressure was they were blitzing nearly every down especially after we crossed midfield. We did burn them on some hot reads, but we still need a better job if teams continue to bring multiple defenders. Not sure why you are so convinced your DL is better than WSU's. They had better numbers on defense than SHSU and played in a better conference. They're numbers had really improved against the run as the season had progressed.
I'm pretty sure they think PJ Hall is worth an entire D-line by himself.

[fmrbearkat]

So what's the story with the defense? If they are good, why not just play a complete game, and then there would be no need to score 60 points to win. Are you saying that SHSU typically tries to run up the score in the first half, then put in the 2nd team defense? Just trying to understand your argument...

because there have been many games by mid way through the 3rd qtr or sometimes even the entire half our 3's and walk one have gotten in the game. When you outscore everybody like we do there's no need to put the undue wear on our guys and risk getting injured. Made that mistake at Lamar in the 4th when they should have been pulled and one of our starting guards got rolled and got a high ankle and missed 5 games.

And it's not "trying" to run it up. We've done it with the run and pass. We play our game and nobody has been able to slow it down. When it's in the bag pull the starters and get the backups game reps. That's why we are so deep at a lot of positions. LB and secondary are the spots we could be better and need more depth.

[Bearkat 41]

So what's the story with the defense? If they are good, why not just play a complete game, and then there would be no need to score 60 points to win. Are you saying that SHSU typically tries to run up the score in the first half, then put in the 2nd team defense? Just trying to understand your argument...

Your question is valid. I have asked myself the same thing every week the Kats played this year.

In their last game against UCA they finally put together four quarters of good defense and UCA remained neutralized. The bears scored their final touchdown with 19 second left in the game when the Kats were legitimately just waiting to celebrate the conference championship and zero starters were playing. The bears managed 13 points in the second half with that final tally.

If that is the true shsu defense that I had thought they would/could be for a full game, then the Kats are not just an offensive juggernaut as most assume they are. But maybe it was just a fluke and they really are as pourous as the masses believe they are.

[longtimemocfan]

I'm pretty sure they think PJ Hall is worth an entire D-line by himself.

I guess ;)

[fmrbearkat]

Welcome to what most have been saying for the last X amount of years. The fact that "we" as in the opponents have never seen this before is what grinds my gears since sound defense will usually triumph over sound offense. Most of us on here keep trying to say that, but the Novembrists come here to brag and swing, to only leave with their tails tucked between their legs and disappear again until they have another team like what they have and repeat the same **** over and over. It is the never ending cycle of stupidity.

Nobody is saying NDSU, JSU, SDSU or EWU hasn't seen teams this good before. I'm saying all things considered out of everything Ive seen from our team and those left in the playoffs this is our best shot. The three teams I've listed are ones I feel can play with us. And of all those with this bracket set up I'd say we have a better than 50/50 against any of them except NDSU. The ONLY team that I would give a 60/40 lean to would be NDSU because it would be in Fargo. I'd lean the other way if it was in Huntsville and I'd give NDSU a 70/30 chance if it was in Frisco because of 3 week prep.

[JSUSoutherner]

Nobody is staying NDSU, JSU, SDSU or EWU hasn't seen teams this good before. I'm saying all things considered out of everything Ive seen from our team and those left in the playoffs this is our best shot. The three teams I've listed are ones I feel can play with us. And of all those with this bracket set up I'd say we have a better than 50/50 against any of them except NDSU. The ONLY team that I would give a 60/40 lean to would be NDSU because it would be in Fargo. I'd lean the other way if it was in Huntsville and I'd give NDSU an 70/30 chance if it was in Frisco because of 3 week prep.
My math may be a bit off but isn't that four teams? :D

[TheKingpin28]

After round 6, it is now 3-3. SHSU tied it up with some decent posting.

Chattown: 0
SHSU: 2

[fmrbearkat]

The reason Webber got so much pressure was they were blitzing nearly every down especially after we crossed midfield. We did burn them on some hot reads, but we still need a better job if teams continue to bring multiple defenders. Not sure why you are so convinced your DL is better than WSU's. They had better numbers on defense than SHSU and played in a better conference. They're numbers had really improved against the run as the season had progressed.

So our conference mate won a game vs MVFC, they're #2 lost to a patriot school.

Everybody is so quick to say what Chatty did against Bama....our bottom dweller took a Georgia to the wire. How can you legitimately say the big fluffy is better than the southland? Because EWU is good....what else? Not much left on the plate when you lose to the patriot league.

[fmrbearkat]

My math may be a bit off but isn't that four teams? :D

My bad...added SDSU after I wrote. I would say they would have a 60/40 shot at home but since we would play in Huntsville i would lean back to picking the Kats.

[TheKingpin28]

Nobody is saying NDSU, JSU, SDSU or EWU hasn't seen teams this good before. I'm saying all things considered out of everything Ive seen from our team and those left in the playoffs this is our best shot. The three teams I've listed are ones I feel can play with us. And of all those with this bracket set up I'd say we have a better than 50/50 against any of them except NDSU. The ONLY team that I would give a 60/40 lean to would be NDSU because it would be in Fargo. I'd lean the other way if it was in Huntsville and I'd give NDSU an 70/30 chance if it was in Frisco because of 3 week prep.

It was more in reference to MK. Up to this point, I think your 2011 team had the best chance IMO, since you had a well rounded team, but I have been wrong before. Offenses can only go so far and when they do not have solid defense to back them up, it leads to a track meet and eventually one defense will make a yuuuuuge mistake and the offense will not be able to recover. Assuming you can get past Chatty and JMU can win, these next 2 games will give all of the FCS, if your Defense can hold up their end, or does the Offense make up for the Defense and their possible ineptness? Again, I am sold on the offense after the UCA game and I do not think and rationale thinker will discredit it fully, (we might see different things but most will agree it is fire), but are they just that good since defense is not, or if they run into a top10 defense, will the crumble and collapse since they have yet to face adversity on that side of the ball?

[fmrbearkat]

It was more in reference to MK. Up to this point, I think your 2011 team had the best chance IMO, since you had a well rounded team, but I have been wrong before. Offenses can only go so far and when they do not have solid defense to back them up, it leads to a track meet and eventually one defense will make a yuuuuuge mistake and the offense will not be able to recover. Assuming you can get past Chatty and JMU can win, these next 2 games will give all of the FCS, if your Defense can hold up their end, or does the Offense make up for the Defense and their possible ineptness? Again, I am sold on the offense after the UCA game and I do not think and rationale thinker will discredit it fully, (we might see different things but most will agree it is fire), but are they just that good since defense is not, or if they run into a top10 defense, will the crumble and collapse since they have yet to face adversity on that side of the ball?

Watch the first half in any game and tell me where we lack other than a big play here or there we look pretty good. The only team that had any real success at all was mcneese I believe.

im not being sarcastic when I say our 1's didn't play very many 2nd half snaps.

if I was truly "sold" on our defense I'd say NDSU anytime anywhere. From what I've seen from our first unit I "feel" as if they are good enough to get the job done. Now sometime in the next 3 weeks we will know our answer.

[Bisonoline]

Nobody is saying NDSU, JSU, SDSU or EWU hasn't seen teams this good before. I'm saying all things considered out of everything Ive seen from our team and those left in the playoffs this is our best shot. The three teams I've listed are ones I feel can play with us. And of all those with this bracket set up I'd say we have a better than 50/50 against any of them except NDSU. The ONLY team that I would give a 60/40 lean to would be NDSU because it would be in Fargo. I'd lean the other way if it was in Huntsville and I'd give NDSU a 70/30 chance if it was in Frisco because of 3 week prep.

Why the leeway with the 3 week prep? Our coach doesnt like a layoff that long.

But I have to agree that this could be the year you have a shot at the title. NDSU isnt nearly as good as they have been in the past. Our D lost 2 of its best players and the rest are pretty banged up. Not to mention some poor coaching IMO.

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

SHSU will lose once they play a team that has a strong grasp for their assignments and mixing up coverages on defense. The offense is admittedly only a handful of plays that the QB deciphers pre-snap based on the look of the defense. This means, in theory, that a team that plays its assignments well will prevent the offense from accomplishing much if they execute their scheme. My guess is that SHSU has been able to dissect film well, identify weaknesses, and do a hell of a job of exploiting them based on the attack-counter attack style of offensive play calling.

Honestly, there are not many teams at the FCS level that can play so disciplined or hide their flaws and obviously none in the Southland this year. SHSU will see your weakness and attack you over and over again. I think Chattanooga has the talent to win on Saturday, but I am not familiar enough to know whether they have the discipline required. As a JMU fan, if we advance, I really worry about over committing on certain plays that leaves players out of position or taking bad angles. SHSU will not be forgiving for missed assignments. Good luck Mocs - I'd rather have you for the quarterfinals in Harrisonburg!

[fmrbearkat]

Why the leeway with the 3 week prep? Our coach doesnt like a layoff that long.

But I have to agree that this could be the year you have a shot at the title. NDSU isnt nearly as good as they have been in the past. Our D lost 2 of its best players and the rest are pretty banged up. Not to mention some poor coaching IMO.

When you get a week to work on fundamentals and get healthy while your bad ass coaches figure out how to beat a scheme. Then spend two weeks drilling it into disciplined farm boys that have been getting up before sunrise to do chores. Those farm boys don't mess up.

[fmrbearkat]

SHSU will lose once they play a team that has a strong grasp for their assignments and mixing up coverages on defense. The offense is admittedly only a handful of plays that the QB deciphers pre-snap based on the look of the defense. This means, in theory, that a team that plays its assignments well will prevent the offense from accomplishing much if they execute their scheme. My guess is that SHSU has been able to dissect film well, identify weaknesses, and do a hell of a job of exploiting them based on the attack-counter attack style of offensive play calling.

Honestly, there are not many teams at the FCS level that can play so disciplined or hide their flaws and obviously none in the Southland this year. SHSU will see your weakness and attack you over and over again. I think Chattanooga has the talent to win on Saturday, but I am not familiar enough to know whether they have the discipline required. As a JMU fan, if we advance, I really worry about over committing on certain plays that leaves players out of position or taking bad angles. SHSU will not be forgiving for missed assignments. Good luck Mocs - I'd rather have you for the quarterfinals in Harrisonburg!

You have no clue then if you think that's how our offense works

Read this:
https://www.xandolabs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2878:interview-with-mike-leach&catid=94&Itemid=162

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

OK, change QB to WRs, but otherwise the statement still stands. It's not that complex, and it's the simplicity that enables one of the most efficient offenses in the country.


From the article:

"Our receivers get a lot of freedom here and they are always right. We have incompletes because of bad throws, poor QB decisions or because of pressure. It's usually not because we are covered. The route progression is usually there." -Phil Longo, Offensive Coordinator, Sam Houston State University (TX)

Really, any defense is predicated on forcing bad throws, poor decisions and bringing the pressure. Talk to any diva WR and you'll know they are always open, always! The real key is having a talented QB - arm strength, mechanics, and a good head for decisions. A solid defense will make just as many adjustments as the WRs post-snap.

Otherwise, how is this any different than backyard football where the QB says, "Just go out and run a route, I'll find you if you're open."?

Regardless of whether I understand the design, at the end of the day it's still about execution. And damn, it's truly a luxury to have WRs that are "always right" when they are the field generals making decisions.

[caribbeanhen]

Look at Gubrud, Lauletta (before he got injured), and TC of SDSU. You give them the schedule of the SLC outside SHSU, and you are telling me they would not throw for 4,000 yards and 50 TDs? Look at each individually.

Passing Yards

SHSUs Savior: 4096: (Southland Defense)
Gubrud: 4071 (Big Sky Defense)
Lauletta: 3022 (CAA Defense)
TC: 3369 (MVFC Defense)

Passing TDs

SHSUs Savior: 52
Gubrud: 40
Lauletta: 24
TC: 29

Passing YPG

SHSUs Savior: 372.4
Gubrud: 370.1
Lauletta: 274.7
TC: 306.3

1 Missouri Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=85697&s=286577) 27.02
2 Southern (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14064&s=286577) 41.05
3 Colonial (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=11246&s=286577) 45.71
4 Big South (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10672&s=286577) 45.95
5 Big Sky (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10668&s=286577) 48.58
6 OH Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13193&s=286577) 62.21
7 Southland (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14112&s=286577) 63.88

Are you honestly going to tell me, this includes MK, that non of these QBs would equal or be better than Briscoe? Honestly, to say anything other than, Briscoe is good, but put these 3 QBs in his situation and they would meet or exceed expectations is just asinine.

all I'm telling you is Briscoe, the talented WR's and Longo have created something special and it seems like it's taking you a while to come to grips with it

[Mocs123]

It seems like we should go ahead and forfeit....of course I would have thought that about San Diego last week. That's why we play the games between the lines on Saturday.

Rightly or wrongly people are down on the Southland but the stats are impressive none the less.

I am not sure either team has been tested by an opponent as talented on offense/defense as they will be this weekend (no offense to The Citadel as thier offense is Excellent but the TO is more methodical and less explosive).

It ought to be an interesting game for sure.

[Katfan]

I'm pretty sure they think PJ Hall is worth an entire D-line by himself.
I think his point was that our D line matches up well against your O line. I didn't read it to mean that our D line is better than yours.

[DirtyDukes]

Serious question for the non-troll SHSU fans out there (hoping there's at least one of you), what is it that makes you so convinced your OLine is great? Like, what performance this year? Because, watching Chatty's DLine manhandle Bama's OLine is what convinced me they're good. Say what you will about Bama's investment in that game, but it was just strength on strength and more often than not Chatty's DLine was winning, especially in the first 3 quarters.

[Mocs123]

They did only allow 8 sacks in nearly 500 attempts. That is pretty good.

[DirtyDukes]

They did only allow 8 sacks in nearly 500 attempts. That is pretty good.

Against 2 winning teams though? I mean, the only reason I'm confident as a JMU fan is because I saw us beat the #2-5 CAA teams on the road. I wasn't confident when we had punched Morehead and CCSU in the mouth. I honestly feel like if I was SHSU I'd be worried that when we finally placed a real team, we'd struggle.

On that same note, has this team faced any adversity this year? Been down at half? Had to come back to force a game winning drive? I feel like most athletes pull on experience to have confidence in those situations and your first playoff game is not where you want to be running into those situations for the first time all season.

[BEAR]

Serious question for the non-troll SHSU fans out there (hoping there's at least one of you), what is it that makes you so convinced your OLine is great? Like, what performance this year? Because, watching Chatty's DLine manhandle Bama's OLine is what convinced me they're good. Say what you will about Bama's investment in that game, but it was just strength on strength and more often than not Chatty's DLine was winning, especially in the first 3 quarters.

While I'm not a SHSU fan, I can tell you that their Oline isn't great...it's more than suffice to give the QB and WRs enough time to hang 5+ TDs every game on opponents. UCA has a top level run defense which means teams only run about 75 yards per game on us on average. They're strong and fast wreaking havoc on opposing Olines. Our guys couldn't get through that line for anything. Sam has a big Oline that just gives Briscoe time to throw it plus some. What more do you need as a QB? Plus if there is a breakdown Briscoe throws it away or looks to his valve. So no they are not world beaters...but at the FCS level they more than suffice.

[McNeese75]

Serious question for the non-troll SHSU fans out there (hoping there's at least one of you), what is it that makes you so convinced your OLine is great? Like, what performance this year? Because, watching Chatty's DLine manhandle Bama's OLine is what convinced me they're good. Say what you will about Bama's investment in that game, but it was just strength on strength and more often than not Chatty's DLine was winning, especially in the first 3 quarters.


Sorry for poking my nose in here but can't the same be said for the Nicholls State D line manhandling the Georgia OL and SHSU's O-line taming the Nicholls D-Line?

It's all a stretch.

[The Pud]

Yes. Debating that The Citadel may be as good a team as the Kats would be completely ignorant and asinine. We are such blowhard D-bags for having considered that possibility. xcoffeex


says the guy cheering for team from a very weak OVC. LOL!

[Sam_Kats]

In my opinion, BOTH teams are the best teams they've played. That's what the playoffs are about. Should be a fun one.

[Daytripper]

Sorry for poking my nose in here but can't the same be said for the Nicholls State D line manhandling the Georgia OL and SHSU's O-line taming the Nicholls D-Line?

It's all a stretch.


This.

[ZableNoise]

Who did Colt Brennan play against? was it Power 5 Teams? What about Case Keenum? David Klingler? Records are records because you play who's in front of you. Are you saying that SHSU is the first team to play a soft schedule? Is the SLC in 2016 the worst ever? NO! We are not the first team IN HISTORY to play soft teams. yet in 100+ years, only a handful of QB's have done what he's done, and perhaps in a few more game, if we keep winning...he will be all by himself. Steve MCNair won the Heisman playing against SWAC teams, and no one cares. He went on to a great pro career,....you do what you do against who is on your schedule.


So we're all just agreeing to let this paragraph go then?

[UNIFanSince1983]

Sorry for poking my nose in here but can't the same be said for the Nicholls State D line manhandling the Georgia OL and SHSU's O-line taming the Nicholls D-Line?

It's all a stretch.

Well that would make sense if Georgia was the defending National Champions with probably at least 3 pros on their offensive line, and was currently undefeated rolling through teams. Instead Georgia is a 7-5 team with losses to Vandy and GT. Plus close wins over Missouri and Kentucky.

But funny that no one actually answer the guys question about what makes them confident in their OL. Maybe the thing is they don't need to be too confident because the WR are that good and get open quick. Maybe the line doesn't need to be the best because of the system, but of course no one actually answered the question as he wasn't trying to be a jerk. He asked a legitimate question and got terrible answers.

[FUBeAR]

Sam has a big Oline

I saw a couple of posts about SHSU's YUUUUGE OLine, so I decided to check it out...

Their stating OLine averages 6-2/305 - Certainly stout, but nothing too far outside the norm for FCS Teams these days.

Just as examples, Chatt's starting OLine averages 6-4/298 and your own Bears average 6-3/309 (taller and heavier than SHSU's OLine).

And for "calibration," FWIW, Alabama's starting OLine averages 6-5/310


What am I missing?

[Daytripper]

Well that would make sense if Georgia was the defending National Champions with probably at least 3 pros on their offensive line, and was currently undefeated rolling through teams. Instead Georgia is a 7-5 team with losses to Vandy and GT. Plus close wins over Missouri and Kentucky.

But funny that no one actually answer the guys question about what makes them confident in their OL. Maybe the thing is they don't need to be too confident because the WR are that good and get open quick. Maybe the line doesn't need to be the best because of the system, but of course no one actually answered the question as he wasn't trying to be a jerk. He asked a legitimate question and got terrible answers.

All we have to go on is 8 sacks allowed in over 500 passing attempts and 5.5 yards per rush.

[McNeese75]

Well that would make sense if Georgia was the defending National Champions with probably at least 3 pros on their offensive line, and was currently undefeated rolling through teams. Instead Georgia is a 7-5 team with losses to Vandy and GT. Plus close wins over Missouri and Kentucky.

But funny that no one actually answer the guys question about what makes them confident in their OL. Maybe the thing is they don't need to be too confident because the WR are that good and get open quick. Maybe the line doesn't need to be the best because of the system, but of course no one actually answered the question as he wasn't trying to be a jerk. He asked a legitimate question and got terrible answers.


Unless the Chatty D line can get to Briscoe in less than 3 seconds it's all moot.

[fmrbearkat]

Well that would make sense if Georgia was the defending National Champions with probably at least 3 pros on their offensive line, and was currently undefeated rolling through teams. Instead Georgia is a 7-5 team with losses to Vandy and GT. Plus close wins over Missouri and Kentucky.

But funny that no one actually answer the guys question about what makes them confident in their OL. Maybe the thing is they don't need to be too confident because the WR are that good and get open quick. Maybe the line doesn't need to be the best because of the system, but of course no one actually answered the question as he wasn't trying to be a jerk. He asked a legitimate question and got terrible answers.

I'm driving...if you've been paying attn you know I will answer any question thrown at me.

And to say it's not complicated (JMU fan) is asinine. Read more than the first paragraph of that article. It's probably the most in depth/complex version of one of the most complex offenses ever designed.

If you sat down every coach in the country and gave them an IQ test Longo would be in the top 5. Thing he does better than anybody is simply it for the players to make quick decisions. Give me a little but and I will talk about our OL a little more.

[UNIFanSince1983]

All we have to go on is 8 sacks allowed in over 500 passing attempts and 5.5 yards per rush.


Unless the Chatty D line can get to Briscoe in less than 3 seconds it's all moot.

These make sense. More than likely they haven't faced a D Line like this yet this year. But I am also not entirely sure it matters with the system. Usually systems like that rely on quick reads and getting the ball out quick. Will for sure be interesting to watch this strength on strength match up play out.

[TheEagleSHSU]

So we're all just agreeing to let this paragraph go then?

No, McNair won the Payton Award in 1994 and finished 3rd in Heisman voting. Still pretty notable.

[UNIFanSince1983]

No, McNair won the Payton Award in 1994 and finished 3rd in Heisman voting. Still pretty notable.

He also had 6000 total yards that year. That is very notable as well. It doesn't matter the competition you get 6000 total yards you are doing something really really impressive.

Similar to what Briscoe is doing. Very very impressive and will probably win him the Payton award this year.

[longtimemocfan]

SHSU will lose once they play a team that has a strong grasp for their assignments and mixing up coverages on defense. The offense is admittedly only a handful of plays that the QB deciphers pre-snap based on the look of the defense. This means, in theory, that a team that plays its assignments well will prevent the offense from accomplishing much if they execute their scheme. My guess is that SHSU has been able to dissect film well, identify weaknesses, and do a hell of a job of exploiting them based on the attack-counter attack style of offensive play calling.

Honestly, there are not many teams at the FCS level that can play so disciplined or hide their flaws and obviously none in the Southland this year. SHSU will see your weakness and attack you over and over again. I think Chattanooga has the talent to win on Saturday, but I am not familiar enough to know whether they have the discipline required. As a JMU fan, if we advance, I really worry about over committing on certain plays that leaves players out of position or taking bad angles. SHSU will not be forgiving for missed assignments. Good luck Mocs - I'd rather have you for the quarterfinals in Harrisonburg!

Huesman should know a little bit about Keeler. Huesman was the DC at Richmond when Keeler was at Deleware. Richmond was 3-2 against Delaware in that time frame and that included the Joe Flacco years.

[DirtyDukes]

I'm driving...if you've been paying attn you know I will answer any question thrown at me.

And to say it's not complicated (JMU fan) is asinine. Read more than the first paragraph of that article. It's probably the most in depth/complex version of one of the most complex offenses ever designed.

If you sat down every coach in the country and gave them an IQ test Longo would be in the top 5. Thing he does better than anybody is simply it for the players to make quick decisions. Give me a little but and I will talk about our OL a little more.

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[Sammy94]

Unless the Chatty D line can get to Briscoe in less than 3 seconds it's all moot.

Which Weber as bad as they were, was only sacked twice? I think Sam's O-line is much better than Webers.

[bluehenbillk]

Keeler is running a very different offense at SHSU than he did at Delaware from what I've seen. Even when they had Joe Flacco, Delaware was a run first offense. SHSU on the other hand, does a little bit of everything & is far more explosive than UD ever was.

[deez_na]

Should be a good game. Sam can score but they also have a pretty bad defense so I expect Chatty to put up points too. If Chatty can slow Sam down a bit this could go down to the wire. Sam is tough at home though. Looking forward to some good games this weekend.

[DirtyDukes]

Guys we have a live look in at Longo preparing for Saturdays game:

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[katstrapper]

Should be a good game. Sam can score but they also have a pretty bad defense so I expect Chatty to put up points too. If Chatty can slow Sam down a bit this could go down to the wire. Sam is tough at home though. Looking forward to some good games this weekend.

Kat defense isn't as bad as one would think. On paper, it probably looks like a bad defense, but they are about average. Middle of the pack in the SLC, second in scoring defense in SLC, but there are some bad offenses in the conference. Currently the defense is #7 in FCS in tackles for loss and #8 in FCS in sacks.

Defense has played much better in the latter part of the season. They held UCA to 16 points until a late garbage TD. Front 7 is good, Linebackers are fast. Banged up in secondary a little. I think Sherrod has done a good job in his first year at DC.

[fmrbearkat]

I saw a couple of posts about SHSU's YUUUUGE OLine, so I decided to check it out...

Their stating OLine averages 6-2/305 - Certainly stout, but nothing too far outside the norm for FCS Teams these days.

Just as examples, Chatt's starting OLine averages 6-4/298 and your own Bears average 6-3/309 (taller and heavier than SHSU's OLine).

And for "calibration," FWIW, Alabama's starting OLine averages 6-5/310


What am I missing?

#77 Tezano - 6'4" 317
#66 Watanabe - 6'3" 350
#51 Blount - 5'10" 295 (strongest person on the team)
#51 Hardy 6'3" 310
#70 Riser 6'4" 320

my math gives me 6'3" 318.4

Amd it's not only the OL size or skill. The ball is out so fast. He's supposed to be on his third route and ball out at 3 seconds. There's not enough time most plays for a defense to get there. Plus Hardy, Riser and Tezano were all highly rated kids out of high school and transferred here early in their career) they are very athletic for their size.

Again its it's not that they are the best OL out there but for this scheme they more than talented enough. Will we have trouble running against Chatty? Possibly but if you load the box like the last half the teams did then the pass will get you. If you sit back and play extra guys in coverage then the run game/dunk dunk/screen will flourish.

[Milktruck74]

Which Weber as bad as they were, was only sacked twice? I think Sam's O-line is much better than Webers.

the week before Chattanooga sacked Jalen Hurts 4 times...but I'm sure the Weber OL is better than Bama's. You can't go on Transitives from a single game, Coaches prepare much differently for different schemes. We didn't need to get to the Weber State QB to win the game...We have to get to Briscoe to beat SHS, and I think the Chattanooga DL will get there. We will see Saturday.

[Mocs123]

6-3 350?? Now that is a Texas sized man!

[katstrapper]

#77 Tezano - 6'4" 317
#66 Watanabe - 6'3" 350
#51 Blount - 5'10" 295 (strongest person on the team)
#51 Hardy 6'3" 310
#70 Riser 6'4" 320

my math gives me 6'3" 318.4

Amd it's not only the OL size or skill. The ball is out so fast. He's supposed to be on his third route and ball out at 3 seconds. There's not enough time most plays for a defense to get there. Plus Hardy, Riser and Tezano were all highly rated kids out of high school and transferred here early in their career) they are very athletic for their size.

Again its it's not that they are the best OL out there but for this scheme they more than talented enough. Will we have trouble running against Chatty? Possibly but if you load the box like the last half the teams did then the pass will get you. If you sit back and play extra guys in coverage then the run game/dunk dunk/screen will flourish.

SHSU Ath Dept understates everything I don't understand why. I have been on the field next to Hardy and he is definitely taller than 6-3 IMO and Blount is taller than 5-10. Its not the biggest, but they are bigger on average than SHSU has had in years. They are very physical.

[longtimemocfan]

#77 Tezano - 6'4" 317
#66 Watanabe - 6'3" 350
#51 Blount - 5'10" 295 (strongest person on the team)
#51 Hardy 6'3" 310
#70 Riser 6'4" 320

my math gives me 6'3" 318.4

Amd it's not only the OL size or skill. The ball is out so fast. He's supposed to be on his third route and ball out at 3 seconds. There's not enough time most plays for a defense to get there. Plus Hardy, Riser and Tezano were all highly rated kids out of high school and transferred here early in their career) they are very athletic for their size.

Again its it's not that they are the best OL out there but for this scheme they more than talented enough. Will we have trouble running against Chatty? Possibly but if you load the box like the last half the teams did then the pass will get you. If you sit back and play extra guys in coverage then the run game/dunk dunk/screen will flourish.

We can get pressure on a QB with our front 4. Rarely have to blitz and when we do its usually just 1 extra man.

[longtimemocfan]

Keeler is running a very different offense at SHSU than he did at Delaware from what I've seen. Even when they had Joe Flacco, Delaware was a run first offense. SHSU on the other hand, does a little bit of everything & is far more explosive than UD ever was.

I can see the difference in offensive philosophy. Flacco had the best arm I ever witnessed come into Finley.

[katstrapper]

We can get pressure on a QB with our front 4. Rarely have to blitz and when we do its usually just 1 extra man.

Mocs 2 defensive ends are good!! It will definitely be a tall task to keep them at bay all day. Thing that helps the OL is that Briscoe has a very quick release.

This should be a great game, rain or no rain !!

[fmrbearkat]

We can get pressure on a QB with our front 4. Rarely have to blitz and when we do its usually just 1 extra man.

It doesn't matter as much how good your DL is or what blitz you bring if they don't have time to get there. I could put Rev's big ass in a helmet and if he can make a DL make one change of direction then it would take an end nearly 3 seconds to get to a QB. Watch some of his highlight videos and wach how quick they all gets out of his hands. Don't watch anything else but the snap to release and you will get an idea of how fast it is.

[Schwarz04]

Watch the first half in any game and tell me where we lack other than a big play here or there we look pretty good. The only team that had any real success at all was mcneese I believe.

im not being sarcastic when I say our 1's didn't play very many 2nd half snaps.

if I was truly "sold" on our defense I'd say NDSU anytime anywhere. From what I've seen from our first unit I "feel" as if they are good enough to get the job done. Now sometime in the next 3 weeks we will know our answer.

If that really is the case, then they could be sucking air pretty hard come Saturday....

[katstrapper]

If that really is the case, then they could be sucking air pretty hard come Saturday....

Uh, not really.

[BEAR]

I saw a couple of posts about SHSU's YUUUUGE OLine, so I decided to check it out...

Their stating OLine averages 6-2/305 - Certainly stout, but nothing too far outside the norm for FCS Teams these days.

Just as examples, Chatt's starting OLine averages 6-4/298 and your own Bears average 6-3/309 (taller and heavier than SHSU's OLine).

And for "calibration," FWIW, Alabama's starting OLine averages 6-5/310


What am I missing?

Nothing about the size. They are a good size but they have been taught or already know the how to keep their QB clean no matter what size they are. The only proof you need to see this is true is look at how they handled a good defense in UCA and how clean their QB has been all year. They don't have to be spectacular...just good enough to give Briscoe time to do his job...and they have more than done that.

[moccasinjoe]

[QUOTE=fmrbearkat;2423717]It doesn't matter as much how good your DL is or what blitz you bring if they don't have time to get there. I could put Rev's big ass in a helmet and if he can make a DL make one change of direction then it would take an end nearly 3 seconds to get to a QB. Watch some of his highlight videos and watch how quick they all gets out of his hands. Don't watch anything else but the snap to release and you will get an idea of how fast it is.[/QUOTE
I am not sure why Chattanooga is even coming to Texas to play. We have no chance obviously. Also sounds like we need to leave the defensive line here in Chattanooga and bring extra cornerbacks and safetys to cover the receivers since no one can get within 5 yards of Briscoe before the ball exits his hand. We concede.

[fmrbearkat]

[QUOTE=fmrbearkat;2423717]It doesn't matter as much how good your DL is or what blitz you bring if they don't have time to get there. I could put Rev's big ass in a helmet and if he can make a DL make one change of direction then it would take an end nearly 3 seconds to get to a QB. Watch some of his highlight videos and watch how quick they all gets out of his hands. Don't watch anything else but the snap to release and you will get an idea of how fast it is.[/QUOTE
I am not sure why Chattanooga is even coming to Texas to play. We have no chance obviously. Also sounds like we need to leave the defensive line here in Chattanooga and bring extra cornerbacks and safetys to cover the receivers since no one can get within 5 yards of Briscoe before the ball exits his hand. We concede.

You sound like an illogical woman. I was asked a question and I answered it so you just go on the opposite side of the dramatic spectrum because you don't like the answer. I'm telling you what the scheme is designed for and so far it's worked very very well.

Watch a video of how long the Alabama QB holds the ball on an average passing play in ANY game.

Then watch any video of the Kats game this year. I'm not saying our QB or OL is better or even close. Bama's is more mobile and they have the best online in the country. It's just a totally different scheme.

Briscoe rarely has the ball longer than 3 seconds. He's also rarely on the ground and if he does it's I'm rarely a "big" hit. Chalk that up howrver you want whether it be a good scheme, good online ****ty competition or all the above. Seemed successful against another top 10 defense and I have zero indicators that won't continue. I'm going with what I see on the field....your assuming inflation of stats due to weak competition. But what indicators have you seen that tells you it won't happen again against another good defense like it did against UCA? Nothing......is the answer your looking for.

You've gotta choose one thing. Load the box and stop the run or sit back and try to cover. 1st half of the season teams chose the coverage, last half they chose to load the box. Best bet for Chatty is sit back and see if your front 7 can defend the first 15yards of the field and possibly with the weather Briscoe has a bad day. It's a slight possiblity that happens. If you lose enjoy the success and a mini vacation and be proud. Your team is good...no question about it.

[Milktruck74]

Only give up 8 sacks in 11 games is pretty solid line play, especially given how many passing yards Briscoe has....however, I ask (sincerely, not being a smart ass), How many teams that played SHS this year were willing to allow their DBs to be on an island and send a bunch after him? He does have a quick release, but not having to throw when you are backing up or being chased also enhances accuracy and speed of release. So I'll restate my question, were any teams that played SHS able to get pressure with 4, or did any try and blitz him? If so, what were those results?

[longtimemocfan]

In my opinion, BOTH teams are the best teams they've played. That's what the playoffs are about. Should be a fun one.

A valid opinion at that.... It's no mystery The Kats will be favored in this game and we will have to play very sound disciplined defense to hang in this game. We lead the FCS in pass defense and number 6 in total defense. It doesn't take a genius to figure out we haven't faced a offense of this caliber and some those stats came against 2 TO teams, but nonetheless we do defend the pass pretty good.

[fmrbearkat]

Only give up 8 sacks in 11 games is pretty solid line play, especially given how many passing yards Briscoe has....however, I ask (sincerely, not being a smart ass), How many teams that played SHS this year were willing to allow their DBs to be on an island and send a bunch after him? He does have a quick release, but not having to throw when you are backing up or being chased also enhances accuracy and speed of release. So I'll restate my question, were any teams that played SHS able to get pressure with 4, or did any try and blitz him? If so, what were those results?

McNeese brought a lot.... Which led to quick scores but they never really slowed us down too much. 2 of our starting DBs were out Which led to a lot of big plays and quick scores for them late in the game as well and a track meet score that looked closer than reality.

I honestly don't know the answer on what would stop them. But I think that would be a mistake. I'd almost say if your DL is as good as advertised then it'd be best to bring in an extra db or two and try to cover. Teams tried that but again didn't have the talent. UCA loaded up and with intent to stop the run. I don't really recall if they blitzed a ton but I know they did some for sure. Which is why I feel the best possible way to stop us is the above. Do I know if a team with a stud defense is the sure answer....not from what I saw vs UCA or Nichols which has a stout DL but secondary is weak. With good weather I'd still say it wouldn't matter. With bad weather it's sure possible.

[milleniumkat]

Look at Gubrud, Lauletta (before he got injured), and TC of SDSU. You give them the schedule of the SLC outside SHSU, and you are telling me they would not throw for 4,000 yards and 50 TDs? Look at each individually.

Passing Yards

SHSUs Savior: 4096: (Southland Defense)
Gubrud: 4071 (Big Sky Defense)
Lauletta: 3022 (CAA Defense)
TC: 3369 (MVFC Defense)

Passing TDs

SHSUs Savior: 52
Gubrud: 40
Lauletta: 24
TC: 29

Passing YPG

SHSUs Savior: 372.4
Gubrud: 370.1
Lauletta: 274.7
TC: 306.3

1 Missouri Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=85697&s=286577) 27.02
2 Southern (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14064&s=286577) 41.05
3 Colonial (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=11246&s=286577) 45.71
4 Big South (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10672&s=286577) 45.95
5 Big Sky (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10668&s=286577) 48.58
6 OH Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13193&s=286577) 62.21
7 Southland (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14112&s=286577) 63.88

Are you honestly going to tell me, this includes MK, that non of these QBs would equal or be better than Briscoe? Honestly, to say anything other than, Briscoe is good, but put these 3 QBs in his situation and they would meet or exceed expectations is just asinine.

They would not. I'm telling you that. yes.


www.MKsavedAGS.com

[milleniumkat]

I've heard this before...usually from a team with a good offense up against a less than good schedule. NDSU is a bit more vulnerable on the defensive end this year though with our mounting injuries... IMO I still think NDSU would be okay without multiple turnovers in a potential matchup though.

NDSU will be ok against anyone in any situation

not trying to be a douche tho, but this is a Chatty v Shsu thread. So i'll worry about NDSU when they are on our schedule for the week.

www.MKsavedAGS.com

[Milktruck74]

I haven't seen as much Mocs Football asI'd like to, but of the games I saw this year (6 or 7), we rarely blitz. a few stunts up front, but the blitz is not part of our gameplan. I think Vantrell McMillan would have a ton more sacks if OLs had to plan to block theLBs, but they kinda know that it is going to be a 4 vs 5 up front....and our 4 still gets nice pressure on the QB. I even saw a late sack with 9 men in coverage, we can bring pressure.

[longtimemocfan]

Only give up 8 sacks in 11 games is pretty solid line play, especially given how many passing yards Briscoe has....however, I ask (sincerely, not being a smart ass), How many teams that played SHS this year were willing to allow their DBs to be on an island and send a bunch after him? He does have a quick release, but not having to throw when you are backing up or being chased also enhances accuracy and speed of release. So I'll restate my question, were any teams that played SHS able to get pressure with 4, or did any try and blitz him? If so, what were those results?

I looked back on their game stats and Briscoe was only sacked more than once in any game and that was 3 times against McNeese St.

[milleniumkat]

SHSU Ath Dept understates everything I don't understand why. I have been on the field next to Hardy and he is definitely taller than 6-3 IMO and Blount is taller than 5-10. Its not the biggest, but they are bigger on average than SHSU has had in years. They are very physical.

Blount is one of the densest humans i've ever seen. I spoke to him a a steak house one night and his gravitational pull was drawing in objects from around the room.


www.MKsavedAGS.com

[milleniumkat]

No, McNair won the Payton Award in 1994 and finished 3rd in Heisman voting. Still pretty notable.

My bad! I thought he had won it. That was 20 years ago. My mistake.


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[milleniumkat]

all I'm telling you is Briscoe, the talented WR's and Longo have created something special and it seems like it's taking you a while to come to grips with it

He's made up his mind. Nothing will change it. Even if he torches every team in the field and wins the natty, he'll claim that everyone was playing him with hamstring issues and girlfriend distractions so it doesn't count.


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[Schwarz04]

Uh, not really.

Haha ok...

If you're only on the field for quarters 1 and 2 all year, and are then asked to play all 4 quarters you're going to be tired.

[The Pud]

Haha ok...

If you're only on the field for quarters 1 and 2 all year, and are then asked to play all 4 quarters you're going to be tired.


hahaha, this is a fair point. But looking at Sammy's roster, I think they have a good measure of depth on both sides of the ball. Should be a good game nonetheless.

[JSUSoutherner]

hahaha, this is a fair point. But looking at Sammy's roster, I think they have a good measure of depth on both sides of the ball. Should be a good game nonetheless.
If the depth is good then why is "the defense spends so much time on the feild which tires them out" a common excuse I've seen when asked how Incarnate Word can roll up 48 on you guys?

[The Pud]

If the depth is good then why is "the defense spends so much time on the feild which tires them out" a common excuse I've seen when asked how Incarnate Word can roll up 48 on you guys?


Maybe cuz they were all freshmen and didn't have sufficient play time experience; but now that is different since these freshmen have 11 games under their belts. Hmmmm, I do not know.

[Nickels]

If the depth is good then why is "the defense spends so much time on the feild which tires them out" a common excuse I've seen when asked how Incarnate Word can roll up 48 on you guys?

There's a difference between 2nd string depth and everyone else that isn't burning a redshirt.

[JSUSoutherner]

There's a difference between 2nd string depth and everyone else that isn't burning a redshirt.
So depth is a subjective term here? Got it.

[Schwarz04]

hahaha, this is a fair point. But looking at Sammy's roster, I think they have a good measure of depth on both sides of the ball. Should be a good game nonetheless.

Yeah I was just responding to others who were stating that Sam's defensive numbers only look bad because they never play their starters past halftime, due to of a combination of a good offense and weak competition. So if that's true, how will their defense adjust to playing twice as much as they're used to when they face tougher competition in Chatty?

[FUBeAR]

#77 Tezano - 6'4" 317
#66 Watanabe - 6'3" 350
#51 Blount - 5'10" 295
#51 Hardy 6'3" 310
#70 Riser 6'4" 320

my math gives me 6'3" 318.4



From SHSU's Game Notes Depth Chart for their (most recent) game with UCA...

LT 70 Curtis Riser 6-4 320
LG 51 Sam Hardy 6-3 310
C 52 Bridge Blount 5-10 295
RG 77 Tyler Tezeno 6-4 317
RT 73 Brandon DeWitt 6-3 285
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AVERAGE = 6-2.4 / 305.4 ....Rounds to 6-2/305

Bolded names seem to the difference in our weight "math;" not sure how you came up with 6-3 HT average though - different rounding rules in TX maybe

[Nickels]

Yeah I was just responding to others who were stating that Sam's defensive numbers only look bad because they never play their starters past halftime, due to of a combination of a good offense and weak competition. So if that's true, how will their defense adjust to playing twice as much as they're used to when they face tougher competition in Chatty?
Chatty will have to slow the game down. If they do, the D starters and 2nd string will still be playing less than/right at their average. Our quick O keeps our D on the field. If Chatty takes that away then it will benifit our D.

[Nickels]

From SHSU's Game Notes Depth Chart for their (most recent) game with UCA...

LT 70 Curtis Riser 6-4 320
LG 51 Sam Hardy 6-3 310
C 52 Bridge Blount 5-10 295
RG 77 Tyler Tezeno 6-4 317
RT 73 Brandon DeWitt 6-3 285
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AVERAGE = 6-2.4 / 305.4 ....Rounds to 6-2/305

Bolded names seem to the difference in our "math"

LOL. I wouldn't invest too much into the listed. We've had players parents tell us they're way off.

[FUBeAR]

LOL. I wouldn't invest too much into the listed. We've had players parents tell us they're way off.

LOL - Yeah, I've seen 'those parents' HT/WT listings on their kids' Recruiting Profiles/Highlight Videos. You couldn't have cited a more unreliable source. Perhaps, sarcasm?

[JSUSoutherner]

Chatty will have to slow the game down. If they do, the D starters and 2nd string will still be playing less than/right at their average. Our quick O keeps our D on the field. If Chatty takes that away then it will benifit our D.
Im actually curious to see how Sam handles this scenario this weekend. From what I can tell Sammy is running a big play offense and living off the explosive plays. I'm interested to see how well they can grind out a 11-12+ play drive if forced to.

[DirtyDukes]

On that same note, has this team faced any adversity this year? Been down at half? Had to come back to force a game winning drive? I feel like most athletes pull on experience to have confidence in those situations and your first playoff game is not where you want to be running into those situations for the first time all season.

Still hoping for an answer to this. Anyone? Bueller?

[deez_na]

Kat defense isn't as bad as one would think. On paper, it probably looks like a bad defense, but they are about average. Middle of the pack in the SLC, second in scoring defense in SLC, but there are some bad offenses in the conference. Currently the defense is #7 in FCS in tackles for loss and #8 in FCS in sacks.

Defense has played much better in the latter part of the season. They held UCA to 16 points until a late garbage TD. Front 7 is good, Linebackers are fast. Banged up in secondary a little. I think Sherrod has done a good job in his first year at DC.

420 yards a game given up against garbage competition. Not exactly average either.

[Daytripper]

Still hoping for an answer to this. Anyone? Bueller?

Nope. Down 13-7 v. UCA early in the first quarter was the only time we have trailed in a game all year. If we encounter some game pressure, well, I guess we'll see...

[Schwarz04]

Chatty will have to slow the game down. If they do, the D starters and 2nd string will still be playing less than/right at their average. Our quick O keeps our D on the field. If Chatty takes that away then it will benifit our D.

I'd think Chatty would slow the game down by having longer sustained drives; that would add up to more time for Sam's D on the field, would it not?

[The Pud]

Still hoping for an answer to this. Anyone? Bueller?


None sir...........Sammy has been that dominate all year.

[Sammy94]

Nope. Down 13-7 v. UCA early in the first quarter was the only time we have trailed in a game all year. If we encounter some game pressure, well, I guess we'll see...

We were losing @ NWST early on in the game, it has been the only time we have ever been behind.

[fmrbearkat]

From SHSU's Game Notes Depth Chart for their (most recent) game with UCA...

LT 70 Curtis Riser 6-4 320
LG 51 Sam Hardy 6-3 310
C 52 Bridge Blount 5-10 295
RG 77 Tyler Tezeno 6-4 317
RT 73 Brandon DeWitt 6-3 285
----------------------------------
AVERAGE = 6-2.4 / 305.4 ....Rounds to 6-2/305

Bolded names seem to the difference in our weight "math;" not sure how you came up with 6-3 HT average though - different rounding rules in TX maybe

Watanabe was the one we lost vs Lamar with the ankle. He's back full speed.

As kind of a quick math:

I took 6'4 and 5'10 and found the middle at 6'1.

6'4
6'3"
6'3"
6'1.

So so I guess it's like 6'2.66 but **** I didn't realize we were going to be to the 100th decimal precise?

[Daytripper]

We were losing @ NWST early on in the game, it has been the only time we have ever been behind.


That's right. Got my games mixed up.

[fmrbearkat]

LOL - Yeah, I've seen 'those parents' HT/WT listings on their kids' Recruiting Profiles/Highlight Videos. You couldn't have cited a more unreliable source. Perhaps, sarcasm?

I'm 6'4 300 currently and it may be the shoes or pads but I do feel hardy is taller than me. Bridge is closer to 6' but I'd think but I don't know why in the hell hes under listed unless it's from high school which is possible. Height at center sure doesn't matter. He was an all state power lifter and I thought I read somewhere is squatting over 700 and bench is well over 400 with a power clean of nearly 400. Kids an animal and sharp as a tack. He's probably the biggest reason our guys are so cohesive. If we lost him we could be in trouble.

And D to the post about mcneese's 3 sacks. If I remember right those were LB dog blitzes or quick higgingbblitzes of some sort right up the gut. If you can get it timed up to hit quickly then you sure may have a shot to get there. But if it doesn't hit it will most likely be a big play because one of our guys will get open and JB scans quick and usually finds them. Which is what happened in that game.

Is Chatty that good on all levels...y'all think so. Based off what little I've seen the dbs are giving too much space and we will pick it apart if you man up. I could be wrong too.

[JSUSoutherner]

As per request, a poll has been added to the thread. Votes are public.

[katstrapper]

I'm 6'4 300 currently and it may be the shoes or pads but I do feel hardy is taller than me. Bridge is closer to 6' but I'd think but I don't know why in the hell hes under listed unless it's from high school which is possible. Height at center sure doesn't matter. He was an all state power lifter and I thought I read somewhere is squatting over 700 and bench is well over 400 with a power clean of nearly 400. Kids an animal and sharp as a tack. He's probably the biggest reason our guys are so cohesive. If we lost him we could be in trouble.

And D to the post about mcneese's 3 sacks. If I remember right those were LB dog blitzes or quick higgingbblitzes of some sort right up the gut. If you can get it timed up to hit quickly then you sure may have a shot to get there. But if it doesn't hit it will most likely be a big play because one of our guys will get open and JB scans quick and usually finds them. Which is what happened in that game.

Is Chatty that good on all levels...y'all think so. Based off what little I've seen the dbs are giving too much space and we will pick it apart if you man up. I could be wrong too.


I watched the entire Chatty/ Weber St game and didn't come away with anything that really stood out to me. However, they have two D-lineman that are pretty active and cause trouble. Their LB's are pretty solid. But, I think the Kat D can be just as good.

Kat D has 36 team sacks and 88 tackles for loss on the season. PJ Hall has 11 sacks and 21 TFL. Mouf Adebo has 7 sacks and 10TFL so that is 18 sacks and 31TFL just from the Kat Defensive Ends.

Chatty has some good team speed on defense, but so does the Kat D. I just think the Kat O catches opposing defenses off guard a little with the quickness at with they run the offense.

[walliver]

I am torn about this game.
Chatty has the capability of winning this game and I generally pull for the SoCon team ... but, if they win, He Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned will be insufferable.

[The Pud]

I am torn about this game.
Chatty has the capability of winning this game and I generally pull for the SoCon team ... but, if they win, He Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned will be insufferable.


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just man up and grow a pair sir. Pick a team!

[UNIFanSince1983]

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just man up and grow a pair sir. Pick a team!

NYU Violets by 24

[milleniumkat]

Yeah I was just responding to others who were stating that Sam's defensive numbers only look bad because they never play their starters past halftime, due to of a combination of a good offense and weak competition. So if that's true, how will their defense adjust to playing twice as much as they're used to when they face tougher competition in Chatty?

I recommend ESPN3 at 2pm CST to get your answer


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[milleniumkat]

Im actually curious to see how Sam handles this scenario this weekend. From what I can tell Sammy is running a big play offense and living off the explosive plays. I'm interested to see how well they can grind out a 11-12+ play drive if forced to.

No true. The big plays have been there because of execution. We've had plenty of drives, but the plays have worked really well. Lots of YAC. Nothing about what i've seen in all 11 games indicates that they can't sustain a long dink and dunk drive...we just haven't needed many plays to do it. If a 9 yard play becomes a four yard play, so be it. Well just run it again, then pick up the first on 3rd and short. Rinse and repeat.


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[caribbeanhen]

I think Sam Houston State wins this game, Chatty will be the best team they have played this year though which makes it interesting but something tells me playing against the SoCo run oriented teams did not do Chatty any favors getting ready for Sam Houston, and Samford is no Sammy so don't try it...

[FUBeAR]

but, if they win, He Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned will be insufferable.

I like him that way AND, look at it this way, the closer Chatt gets to the Natty; the more pain he will be in if/when they don't win it.

Go ahead! Be a Mocs FAN this week!! Jump on that BandWagonTrain to ChattTown!!!...oops.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I like him that way AND, look at it this way, the closer Chatt gets to the Natty; the more pain he will be in if/when they don't win it.

Go ahead! Be a Mocs FAN this week!! Jump on that BandWagonTrain to ChattTown!!!...oops.

Also there is only one of him. The rest of the Moc fans aren't bad at all.

There are, however, a BUNCH of insufferable's from the Orange and Purple school including some that claim to be Delaware fans, but like to talk about SHSU more. xcoffeex

[Daytripper]

Also there is only one of him. The rest of the Moc fans aren't bad at all.

There are, however, a BUNCH of insufferable's from the Orange and Blue and White school including some that claim to be Delaware fans, but like to talk about SHSU more. xcoffeex

FIFY

[TheRevSFA]

Also there is only one of him. The rest of the Moc fans aren't bad at all.

There are, however, a BUNCH of insufferable's from the Orange and Purple school including some that claim to be Delaware fans, but like to talk about SHSU more. xcoffeex

Orange and purple would be northwestern state

[PantherRob82]

Too many stats. Didn't read. xlolx

[Nickels]

Yeah, UCA looked so good last week against SHSU and squeaking out the win at home against a 6-5 Illinois State squad. xlolx


Orange and purple would be northwestern state
These self anointed FCS experts have watch a grand total of 0 SLC games. What do you expect?

[FUBeAR]

Orange and purple would be northwestern state

...and FedEX
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[PantherRob82]

These self anointed FCS experts have watch a grand total of 0 SLC games. What do you expect?

You realize we all have ESPN3. xcoffeex

[fmrbearkat]

You realize we all have ESPN3. xcoffeex

Then how the eff could somebody confuse us as having purple in our color scheme??

[chattownmocs]

Chattanooga is a more balanced, more complete, more physical football team that is built to handle teams like this.

Chattanooga is better at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Chattanooga is very capable of hitting big plays and putting up lots of points through the air. The biggest difference is derrick craine. A guy who has barely been mentioned in this thread. Guess what? He's going to be relentless on Saturday afternoon.

[Katfan]

Chattanooga is a more balanced, more complete, more physical football team that is built to handle teams like this.

Chattanooga is better at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Chattanooga is very capable of hitting big plays and putting up lots of points through the air. The biggest difference in derrick craine. A guy who has barely been mentioned in this thread. Guess what? He's going to be relentless on Saturday afternoon.
Well

we'll see soon enough.

[alvin.kmiec]

You all know if Sam rolls through the playoffs we will have play cupcakes schedule all year. I am not saying we will or anything, but you could be calling your team a cupcake.


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[PantherRob82]

Then how the eff could somebody confuse us as having purple in our color scheme??

It's not exactly royal blue. No one confuses McNeese as being purple and yellow. I blame your marketing. The official colors are orange and white.

[TheEagleSHSU]

Chattanooga is a more balanced, more complete, more physical football team that is built to handle teams like this.

Chattanooga is better at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Chattanooga is very capable of hitting big plays and putting up lots of points through the air. The biggest difference is derrick craine. A guy who has barely been mentioned in this thread. Guess what? He's going to be relentless on Saturday afternoon.

We shall see, but if Craine is all you have it might not be enough. Benneifield will have to have a monster day as well. If it goes the way of a shootout I like SHSU chances.

[JSUSoutherner]

We shall see, but if Craine is all you have it might not be enough. Benneifield will have to have a monster day as well. If it goes the way of a shootout I like SHSU chances.
Craine might be all they need if they can grind the clock and play defense.

[fmrbearkat]

It's not exactly royal blue. No one confuses McNeese as being purple and yellow. I blame your marketing. The official colors are orange and white.
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[fmrbearkat]

Chattanooga is a more balanced, more complete, more physical football team that is built to handle teams like this.

Chattanooga is better at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Chattanooga is very capable of hitting big plays and putting up lots of points through the air. The biggest difference is derrick craine. A guy who has barely been mentioned in this thread. Guess what? He's going to be relentless on Saturday afternoon.

Somebody got ungrounded from the computer!!! Let me take a guess... you went to the strip club after the win last week and told a stripper you had a foot long in your pants. She slapped you as you reached in and offered her a sub way, cops got called and off to jail you went. Mom found out and your just now getting computer privelages back??

[Daytripper]

Chattanooga is a more balanced, more complete, more physical football team that is built to handle teams like this.

Chattanooga is better at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Chattanooga is very capable of hitting big plays and putting up lots of points through the air. The biggest difference is derrick craine. A guy who has barely been mentioned in this thread. Guess what? He's going to be relentless on Saturday afternoon.

...And they have been working in the weight room with UND players... Keep digging.

[FUBeAR]

derrick craine...He's going to be relentless on Saturday afternoon.

Of course y'all can take 99.9% of what Chattttttttttertown says with a keg of salt, but THIS...THIS is 100% TRUTH!

Old school RB. Maybe a bit smaller version of John Riggins is the best comparison for Craine.

[PantherRob82]

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That's a puprly shade of blue...

[Thumper 76]

That's a puprly shade of blue...

And UNI fans know their purple dammit.


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[PantherRob82]

And UNI fans know their purple dammit.


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Damn straight. It's because we wear 8 different shades of it.

Not sure why SHSU put so much red in theirs. :)

[fmrbearkat]

And UNI fans know their purple dammit.


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Because of all the bruising from getting stomped most weeks :D

Im actually a fan of UNI for some reason and always find myself pulling for you guys.

[TheKingpin28]

Once again MK brought down the SHSU Novembrists but fmrbearkat with the solid posting brought their score back up. However, due The Pod wasting bandwith, they were brought below Chattowns 1 post about Craine and that elevated him to the win for this round.

After 7 rounds:

Chattown: 4
SHSU Novembrists: 3

[chattownmocs]

Alot of clueless posters on here. Including some of the chattanooga fans. Chattanooga got exposed against the triple option. Sam Houston doesn't run the triple option. Including the Alabama game chattanooga has given up a total of 34 first half points to non triple option teams all season. 6 of the 9 teams not named alabama and not running the triple option were shut out in the first half. 6 of 9. The most anyone was scored was alabama with 14, Western with 10, samford 7, and mercer 3. The other 6.....0. Chattanooga's defense is more dominant that sam houstons offense. You aren't going to put up big numbers unless it's garbage time and you are getting your ass blown out

[milleniumkat]

Pretty sure i've read many times that "An average MVFC team could win the SLC". Well, one of those said teams got worn down by the second place SLC team.

They now say "well they didn't blow them out and ILL state was only a 6-5 team". the story changes so quickly!

Yet when you point out how few teams NDSU blows out they say "Well it's because the teams we play are naturally so much better". Well...Not so much.


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[Gil Dobie]

Pretty sure i've read many times that "An average MVFC team could win the SLC". Well, one of those said teams got worn down by the second place SLC team.

They now say "well they didn't blow them out and ILL state was only a 6-5 team". the story changes so quickly!

Yet when you point out how few teams NDSU blows out they say "Well it's because the teams we play are naturally so much better". Well...Not so much.


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Actually NDSU is down this year. Just glad we limped into the playoffs. I don't see how anyone stands a chance against THE Sam Houston State University. Heck, Alabama nor the New England Patriots would be able to stop them.

[milleniumkat]

Actually NDSU is down this year. Just glad we limped into the playoffs. I don't see how anyone stands a chance against THE Sam Houston State University. Heck, Alabama nor the New England Patriots would be able to stop them.

Now your talking!


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[Gil Dobie]

Now your talking!


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Even an act of God or the DAPL protesters couldn't stop Sam Houston State this year.

[milleniumkat]

that's kinda my point, there's only black and white with mvfc fans. you are either great or terrible. no shsu fan believed we are unbeatable hell we may not win this week!

we just believe we deserve respect that we don't get. so the game goes on.


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[The Pud]

I think Sam Houston State wins this game, Chatty will be the best team they have played this year though which makes it interesting but something tells me playing against the SoCo run oriented teams did not do Chatty any favors getting ready for Sam Houston, and Samford is no Sammy so don't try it...


I like this guys assessment. Very well said sir.

[The Pud]

Once again MK brought down the SHSU Novembrists but fmrbearkat with the solid posting brought their score back up. However, due The Pod wasting bandwith, they were brought below Chattowns 1 post about Craine and that elevated him to the win for this round.

After 7 rounds:

Chattown: 4
SHSU Novembrists: 3


You have way too much time on your hands. smh

[UNIFanSince1983]

Then how the eff could somebody confuse us as having purple in our color scheme??

I am going to have to apologize. Back in the days when you had a speck of blue in your uniforms (the Quail Man uniforms) it looked purple on TV to me. I then did not do my due research before posting. Although I do not even see blue listed as a school color anymore so I should have just said people in Orange or the "Cheeto Jesuses" (I am aware it should be Jesus', but it is clearer the way I wrote it).

Thank you all Bearcat ;) fans for your input!

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You have way too much time on your hands. smh

How do you know he wears a lot of watches at once?

[Daytripper]

Even an act of God or the DAPL protesters couldn't stop Sam Houston State this year.

I would actually root for the DAPL protesters in this scenario.

[ElCid]

I think SHSU is in for a rude awakening. They may win at home, but Chattanooga is by far the best defense they will have seen all year. I voted for SHSU but it really is a toss up. The Bearkats lack of defense is going to allow a lot of long drives by the Mocs. SHSU will not score as much as they have if they don't have the ball. If the Mocs can steal a couple possessions Sammy will be fighting for their lives. I hope to see at least the first quarter before I head to historic Johnson Hagood Stadium to watch my Bulldogs.

[DirtyDukes]

You have way too much time on your hands. smh

This is the Pod calling the kettle black.

[Schwarz04]

that's kinda my point, there's only black and white with mvfc fans. you are either great or terrible. no shsu fan believed we are unbeatable hell we may not win this week!

we just believe we deserve respect that we don't get. so the game goes on.


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I don't think we're all black or white...I, along with many others, don't think a team that hasn't proven how good they are against formidable competition deserve a top seed just because they were able to roll through an easy schedule. Only time will tell how good they are, but a person can't really point to blowouts vs. cupcake teams as their team's testimony of greatness.

[TheEagleSHSU]

I think SHSU is in for a rude awakening. They may win at home, but Chattanooga is by far the best defense they will have seen all year. I voted for SHSU but it really is a toss up. The Bearkats lack of defense is going to allow a lot of long drives by the Mocs. SHSU will not score as much as they have if they don't have the ball. If the Mocs can steal a couple possessions Sammy will be fighting for their lives. I hope to see at least the first quarter before I head to historic Johnson Hagood Stadium to watch my Bulldogs.

I think both of these teams are in for a tough game, It's the playoffs! Has SHSU seen a defense this strong, maybe not or maybe they have in UCA and now everyone wants to discount UCA due to the dismantling SHSU handed them. Chatty has not seen an offense like this, there #1 pass defense rating is against mostly running team who don't even throw the ball. If I am a chatty fan this Saturday, I don't under estimate SHSU defense.

If I am a SHSU fan, I don't under estimate the Chatty defense, however nothing I have seen on tape from them gives me the heebi geebi's!

[Katfan]

I don't think we're all black or white...I, along with many others, don't think a team that hasn't proven how good they are against formidable competition deserve a top seed just because they were able to roll through an easy schedule. Only time will tell how good they are, but a person can't really point to blowouts vs. cupcake teams as their team's testimony of greatness.
I hear ya and don't disagree, but maybe some of those cupcakes weren't as weak as people want to convince themselves and maybe we are better than some give us credit for. Time will tell that's what makes FCS the best.

[TheEagleSHSU]

I don't think we're all black or white...I, along with many others, don't think a team that hasn't proven how good they are against formidable competition deserve a top seed just because they were able to roll through an easy schedule. Only time will tell how good they are, but a person can't really point to blowouts vs. cupcake teams as their team's testimony of greatness.

So are you saying that UCA is a cupcake team?

[TheRevSFA]

I hear ya and don't disagree, but maybe some of those cupcakes weren't as weak as people want to convince themselves and maybe we are better than some give us credit for. Time will tell that's what makes FCS the best.

Which one, besides UCA, wouldn't be considered a cupcake team? Nicholls?

9 of your wins were against teams under .500. 9 of them. You cannot say you didn't play a weak schedule, because you did.

It's similar to Lehigh. Their fans, God bless them, were talking how they should sneak into the 8 seed because they dominated this year, and they did. They blew through the PL and the Ivy league, and when they met stiff playoff competition, they folded like a cheap card table.

[TheEagleSHSU]

Which one, besides UCA, wouldn't be considered a cupcake team? Nicholls?

9 of your wins were against teams under .500. 9 of them. You cannot say you didn't play a weak schedule, because you did.

It's similar to Lehigh. Their fans, God bless them, were talking how they should sneak into the 8 seed because they dominated this year, and they did. They blew through the PL and the Ivy league, and when they met stiff playoff competition, they folded like a cheap card table.

No doubt we played a dumpster fire of a schedule. However, We played SFA when they were 3-1 having just beat a #13 McNeese team, Nichols was up and coming, and then UCA. A lot of teams in the SLC beat up on each other this year. Maybe more parody in the SLC, where as some see a bed of S**T. Let me just sell this to you, lol! Happy Birthday BTW

[UNIFanSince1983]

So are you saying that UCA is a cupcake team?

Clearly UCA wasn't. They are in the playoffs and won a playoff game. But what other game does SHSU have that isn't a cupcake? UCA is a quality team and quality win. They aren't a threat to go much further in the playoffs though. I could see UCA losing just as bad to EWU as they did to SHSU. But that doesn't mean they were a cupcake. They were a decent team. The rest of the SHSU schedule, however, was cupcakes.

[TheRevSFA]

No doubt we played a dumpster fire of a schedule. However, We played SFA when they were 3-1 having just beat a #13 McNeese team, Nichols was up and coming, and then UCA. A lot of teams in the SLC beat up on each other this year. Maybe more parody in the SLC, where as some see a bed of S**T. Let me just sell this to you, lol! Happy Birthday BTW

It was a very odd and down year for SLC football, that's for sure

also thanks for the birthday wishes

[Sammy94]

Clearly UCA wasn't. They are in the playoffs and won a playoff game. But what other game does SHSU have that isn't a cupcake? UCA is a quality team and quality win. They aren't a threat to go much further in the playoffs though. I could see UCA losing just as bad to EWU as they did to SHSU. But that doesn't mean they were a cupcake. They were a decent team. The rest of the SHSU schedule, however, was cupcakes.

Why do we still talk about who we played? Seeds are set, the playoff season is here. The only game that matters is the next one.

[TheEagleSHSU]

Clearly UCA wasn't. They are in the playoffs and won a playoff game. But what other game does SHSU have that isn't a cupcake? UCA is a quality team and quality win. They aren't a threat to go much further in the playoffs though. I could see UCA losing just as bad to EWU as they did to SHSU. But that doesn't mean they were a cupcake. They were a decent team. The rest of the SHSU schedule, however, was cupcakes.

I truly look at about 3 of the teams we played UCA, SFA, McNeese St. not as cupcakes...everyone else i agree. UCA we all know about. SFA was 3-1 when we played them just coming off a big win against McNeese St. McNeese had a really wierd year, there offense is pretty good, they just might have the wrong coach to put the pieces in the right spots. With that said, SFA is always a tough game due to rivalry, McNeese is always a tough game because its McNeese. We will always get and give the very best from both schools no matter the records. Rest of the schedule was hot garbage.

[Thumper 76]

that's kinda my point, there's only black and white with mvfc fans. you are either great or terrible. no shsu fan believed we are unbeatable hell we may not win this week!

we just believe we deserve respect that we don't get. so the game goes on.


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This is why you guys catch so much hell. You guys ARE getting respect, I would say being ranked in the top 5 is showing respect, its not like you are ranked 11th on here. The only reason there seems to be a lack of respect is all the SHSU fans who showed up and started kicking and screaming about not being ranked #1, and it turned into a **** show. That led to constant arguments about them, and SHSU fans naturally took it out of context and meaning that nobody thought they were any good. Never mind they were still getting top 5 votes. If your measure of respect is being ranked in the top 2, then more power to you, but boy are you guys raising hell about a couple of spots, just like NDSU fans did when the first rankings came out. I don't think you will find many people who think SHSU is a bad team, but with the uproar and constant bickering you will get more people responding with vitriol in kind and over the top of what they really think just due to the nature of the argument. You get plenty of respect, here and nationally, but you will only see what you want to see. I bet if you check the brackets there is a pretty solid percentage that have SHSU in the semi finals, and if they don't I bet theres a real small percentage that have them losing to anyone besides JMU in the quarters.

The other reason you all think theres tons of disrespect is y'all came from a team fan board, and on team fan boards in a good season they are just echo chambers of how awesome the team is with no dissenting opinions. Now a SHSU poster reads the national board that isn't all rainbows and butterflies about your team and it becomes some massive disrespect. Get over it guys. You guys think you've caught ****, try checking out what the UND guys have to deal with when they get on here with the abundance of NDSU fans on here to give them hell with every post they make for their first couple months of posting, or being a SDSU fan during the Marker week. Until you prove you can take some hell for a while without giving a huge reaction, you will keep catching hell, because the reaction is entertainment. The louder someone screams when someone does a scare prank on them the more they get pranked, and the louder and more upset you get when someone disagrees with you, the more disagreement you're going to get.



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[milleniumkat]

I don't think we're all black or white...I, along with many others, don't think a team that hasn't proven how good they are against formidable competition deserve a top seed just because they were able to roll through an easy schedule. Only time will tell how good they are, but a person can't really point to blowouts vs. cupcake teams as their team's testimony of greatness.

So UCA wasn't good? They just beat a MVFC team and they couldn't stay with us for 6 minutes. Just saying. How many teams in the nation play 5-6 top notch teams every year? Only a small few. So 80% of FCS teams are just like us, you may get 1-2 good tests per year. We got one...we Aced it. Now accept that and move on.

I'm not saying we are great, just that we shouldn't be discredited.


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[milleniumkat]

This is why you guys catch so much hell. You guys ARE getting respect, I would say being ranked in the top 5 is showing respect, its not like you are ranked 11th on here. The only reason there seems to be a lack of respect is all the SHSU fans who showed up and started kicking and screaming about not being ranked #1, and it turned into a **** show. That led to constant arguments about them, and SHSU fans naturally took it out of context and meaning that nobody thought they were any good. Never mind they were still getting top 5 votes. If your measure of respect is being ranked in the top 2, then more power to you, but boy are you guys raising hell about a couple of spots, just like NDSU fans did when the first rankings came out. I don't think you will find many people who think SHSU is a bad team, but with the uproar and constant bickering you will get more people responding with vitriol in kind and over the top of what they really think just due to the nature of the argument. You get plenty of respect, here and nationally, but you will only see what you want to see. I bet if you check the brackets there is a pretty solid percentage that have SHSU in the semi finals, and if they don't I bet theres a real small percentage that have them losing to anyone besides JMU in the quarters.

The other reason you all think theres tons of disrespect is y'all came from a team fan board, and on team fan boards in a good season they are just echo chambers of how awesome the team is with no dissenting opinions. Now a SHSU poster reads the national board that isn't all rainbows and butterflies about your team and it becomes some massive disrespect. Get over it guys. You guys think you've caught ****, try checking out what the UND guys have to deal with when they get on here with the abundance of NDSU fans on here to give them hell with every post they make for their first couple months of posting, or being a SDSU fan during the Marker week. Until you prove you can take some hell for a while without giving a huge reaction, you will keep catching hell, because the reaction is entertainment. The louder someone screams when someone does a scare prank on them the more they get pranked, and the louder and more upset you get when someone disagrees with you, the more disagreement you're going to get.



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i'm not talking about polls and committees
and the reaction is what i do. it's entertaining to me.

So you guys think i'm upset when i just enjoy talking ****e. can you accept that without getting butt hurt?


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[longtimemocfan]

I think Sam Houston State wins this game, Chatty will be the best team they have played this year though which makes it interesting but something tells me playing against the SoCo run oriented teams did not do Chatty any favors getting ready for Sam Houston, and Samford is no Sammy so don't try it...

Run oriented offenses ? The only 2 teams in the conference that had more rushing yards than passing yards were the 2 TO teams Wofford and The Citadel. I don't doubt for a minute that SHSU will be the most prolific passing team we've seen this year.

[Thumper 76]

i'm not talking about polls and committees
and the reaction is what i do. it's entertaining to me.

So you guys think i'm upset when i just enjoy talking ****e. can you accept that without getting butt hurt?


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Sure can, can you spot bitching about lack of respect like some crybaby bitch then?

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[milleniumkat]

The bottom line is that i don't give a crap about the sanctity of this site, or your thoughts on that issue because you don't own it.

I also don't care about you guys lame little initiation time periods. This ain't the frigging Elks Lodge. It's an internet message board and i don't care how many NDSU or mvfc fans are on here, y'all don't make the rules. I don't care about your little club, call me a november whatever, keep up your sissy little "score tracker" if it makes you happy, old mk just wants you to be happy.

If the mods have a problem with what i post, they will check me like they did early on and i've played by the rules. If you don't like my reactions, then stop quoting me, engaging with me. Ignore me. Because constantly griping about said reactions then claiming they are "entertaining" is just putting your foot in your mouth.

Again, this is a public forum, i'll post what i feel like and when i feel like it.


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[milleniumkat]

Sure can, can you spot bitching about lack of respect like some crybaby bitch then?

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See, now your a name caller. Tisk. Tisk. And it ain't crying, it's pointing out facts. If i couldn't take it, why would i keep posting? I could just log off you know?


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[milleniumkat]

NOW.....

Back to Chatty Vs SHSU talk... There's no MVFC team on the slate this week. I'm done with them until it matters.


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[UNIFanSince1983]

The bottom line is that i don't give a crap about the sanctity of this site, or your thoughts on that issue because you don't own it.

I also don't care about you guys lame little initiation time periods. This ain't the frigging Elks Lodge. It's an internet message board and i don't care how many NDSU or mvfc fans are on here, y'all don't make the rules. I don't care about your little club, call me a november whatever, keep up your sissy little "score tracker" if it makes you happy, old mk just wants you to be happy.

If the mods have a problem with what i post, they will check me like they did early on and i've played by the rules. If you don't like my reactions, then stop quoting me, engaging with me. Ignore me. Because constantly griping about said reactions then claiming they are "entertaining" is just putting your foot in your mouth.

Again, this is a public forum, i'll post what i feel like and when i feel like it.


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Then don't get pissy when other people do the same.

We just post our opinions on SHSU and you keep coming back like a little girl saying we are disrespecting SHSU. Don't like my opinions on SHSU then just ignore me. Stop engaging me.

Oh and if you want my opinion on this game I think that SHSU wins by about 3 TDs.

[Thumper 76]

See, now your a name caller. Tisk. Tisk. And it ain't crying, it's pointing out facts. If i couldn't take it, why would i keep posting? I could just log off you know?


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I pointed out the facts, you chose to ignore them, and keep acting like a twat. You will receive what you put out there. I think SHSU wins comfortably, but I hope Chatty beats them.

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[FUBeAR]

I hope Chatty beats them.

An Angel gets their wings every time there's a new SoCon fan on AGS.


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[ElCid]

I think both of these teams are in for a tough game, It's the playoffs! Has SHSU seen a defense this strong, maybe not or maybe they have in UCA and now everyone wants to discount UCA due to the dismantling SHSU handed them. Chatty has not seen an offense like this, there #1 pass defense rating is against mostly running team who don't even throw the ball. If I am a chatty fan this Saturday, I don't under estimate SHSU defense.

If I am a SHSU fan, I don't under estimate the Chatty defense, however nothing I have seen on tape from them gives me the heebi geebi's!

Well, it is never good to underestimate your opponent, but SHSU is giving up 420 total yards a game. That's a lot. The Southland is not exactly stuffed with premier teams. Not being a troll, just looking at the stats and rankings. They have limited points to 26 a game so they must stiffen up in their own territory. It looks like SHSU has only faced 29 red zone chances on defense all year so they don't let teams get close on drives very often. On pass defense, SHSU gives up 6.52 yards per attempt and 11.66 per completion. they give up 3.9 yards a rush.

As far as UTC's defense goes, it is true that their passing defense is padded a bit by the running of Wofford and The Citadel, but that is just two teams. Nobody else in the SOCON is a purely running team. Only 3 of 9 teams in the SOCON have more rushing yards than passing, UTC is the other one and only by a little since they are fairly balanced. Most of the SOCON is balanced in attempts (rushing/passing) except for the two option teams. So no, they have not done it against mostly running teams. Maybe there is a little more running than other conferences on average, but take out the 2 option teams and it is about the same. On another stat, UTC has faced, on average, 38 rushes a game compared to 25 passes. To compare, SHSU defense has faced, on average, 38 rushes a game (same) compared to 41 passes.

While it has been suggested that UTC has not seen anything like SHSU's passing attack, that might be true, but Samford is no slouch when it come to passing. Samford averages 350 yards a game to SHSU's 387 (against a much better SOS, but everyone knows that :D). Another FYI stat, Samford passes on average 45.5 times a game compared to SHSU's 41.2 times. UTC held Samford to about their average at 343 yards in their game, which was not close with a 41-21 score. And while FBS games are always weird and hard to compare, they also held Alabama to 136 yards passing, below their 234 yards a game passing average. Against Furman they held them to 196 yards, also under their 267 yards a game average. Against WCU they held them to half their 235 a game average at 117 yards passing. Are any of these teams as good at passing as SHSU? No, and that includes Bama as well. But SHSU will not have the run of the field like they have. Overall UTC's defense gives up 5.81 yards passing per attempt and 10.27 yards per completion. And, as I mentioned earlier, one of the best defenses UTC will have is holding the ball more to keep it out of SHSU's hands.

It will be an interesting game. I think it may come down to SHSU O line against the Mocs defensive front to see how much pressure Briscoe faces. Massey has it SHSU by 5 at home. I think that is about right.

[Bearkat 41]

With all the talk about the shsu offense vs the chatty defense I think the more intriguing matchup is the shsu defense vs the chatty offense. Seems like most people are convinced that the shsu defense is poor. I'd say their production in the first half of games would argue against that but folks can think what they want. UCA fans thought they'd roll into bowers stadium and have their way offensively with a weak defense and got punched in the mouth and dominated for the entire game. The first time all year the Kats played two halfs of defense.

Since the game game isn't played on paper it doesn't matter what the rankings are for the shsu offense or the chatty defense, the match ups on the field are all that matter.

[BEAR]

With all the talk about the shsu offense vs the chatty defense I think the more intriguing matchup is the shsu defense vs the chatty offense. Seems like most people are convinced that the shsu defense is poor. I'd say their production in the first half of games would argue against that but folks can think what they want. UCA fans thought they'd roll into bowers stadium and have their way offensively with a weak defense and got punched in the mouth and dominated for the entire game. The first time all year the Kats played two halfs of defense.

Since the game game isn't played on paper it doesn't matter what the rankings are for the shsu offense or the chatty defense, the match ups on the field are all that matter.

Says it all.

[Bearkat 41]

I found the following information interesting as it pertained to the numbers Briscoe has put up this year.

He has done most of his work early on in games, having rarely taken snaps in the fourth quarter. In fact, of his 419 passes attempted this season, only 116 have come in the second half (27.6 percent) and 40 (9.5 percent) in the fourth quarter.

[Katfan]

Well, it is never good to underestimate your opponent, but SHSU is giving up 420 total yards a game. That's a lot. The Southland is not exactly stuffed with premier teams. Not being a troll, just looking at the stats and rankings. They have limited points to 26 a game so they must stiffen up in their own territory. It looks like SHSU has only faced 29 red zone chances on defense all year so they don't let teams get close on drives very often. On pass defense, SHSU gives up 6.52 yards per attempt and 11.66 per completion. they give up 3.9 yards a rush.

As far as UTC's defense goes, it is true that their passing defense is padded a bit by the running of Wofford and The Citadel, but that is just two teams. Nobody else in the SOCON is a purely running team. Only 3 of 9 teams in the SOCON have more rushing yards than passing, UTC is the other one and only by a little since they are fairly balanced. Most of the SOCON is balanced in attempts (rushing/passing) except for the two option teams. So no, they have not done it against mostly running teams. Maybe there is a little more running than other conferences on average, but take out the 2 option teams and it is about the same. On another stat, UTC has faced, on average, 38 rushes a game compared to 25 passes. To compare, SHSU defense has faced, on average, 38 rushes a game (same) compared to 41 passes.

While it has been suggested that UTC has not seen anything like SHSU's passing attack, that might be true, but Samford is no slouch when it come to passing. Samford averages 350 yards a game to SHSU's 387 (against a much better SOS, but everyone knows that :D). Another FYI stat, Samford passes on average 45.5 times a game compared to SHSU's 41.2 times. UTC held Samford to about their average at 343 yards in their game, which was not close with a 41-21 score. And while FBS games are always weird and hard to compare, they also held Alabama to 136 yards passing, below their 234 yards a game passing average. Against Furman they held them to 196 yards, also under their 267 yards a game average. Against WCU they held them to half their 235 a game average at 117 yards passing. Are any of these teams as good at passing as SHSU? No, and that includes Bama as well. But SHSU will not have the run of the field like they have. Overall UTC's defense gives up 5.81 yards passing per attempt and 10.27 yards per completion. And, as I mentioned earlier, one of the best defenses UTC will have is holding the ball more to keep it out of SHSU's hands.

It will be an interesting game. I think it may come down to SHSU O line against the Mocs defensive front to see how much pressure Briscoe faces. Massey has it SHSU by 5 at home. I think that is about right.
It should be close. Since you mentioned samford, did you see their stats against UCA?

[longtimemocfan]

It should be close. Since you mentioned samford, did you see their stats against UCA?

Samford's offense didn't have to really work in that game as UCA gift wrapped a lot of their scores with defensive touchdowns. Samford was up in that game at one time 35-10 and they got a little conservative.

[TheEagleSHSU]

Well, it is never good to underestimate your opponent, but SHSU is giving up 420 total yards a game. That's a lot. The Southland is not exactly stuffed with premier teams. Not being a troll, just looking at the stats and rankings. They have limited points to 26 a game so they must stiffen up in their own territory. It looks like SHSU has only faced 29 red zone chances on defense all year so they don't let teams get close on drives very often. On pass defense, SHSU gives up 6.52 yards per attempt and 11.66 per completion. they give up 3.9 yards a rush.

As far as UTC's defense goes, it is true that their passing defense is padded a bit by the running of Wofford and The Citadel, but that is just two teams. Nobody else in the SOCON is a purely running team. Only 3 of 9 teams in the SOCON have more rushing yards than passing, UTC is the other one and only by a little since they are fairly balanced. Most of the SOCON is balanced in attempts (rushing/passing) except for the two option teams. So no, they have not done it against mostly running teams. Maybe there is a little more running than other conferences on average, but take out the 2 option teams and it is about the same. On another stat, UTC has faced, on average, 38 rushes a game compared to 25 passes. To compare, SHSU defense has faced, on average, 38 rushes a game (same) compared to 41 passes.

While it has been suggested that UTC has not seen anything like SHSU's passing attack, that might be true, but Samford is no slouch when it come to passing. Samford averages 350 yards a game to SHSU's 387 (against a much better SOS, but everyone knows that :D). Another FYI stat, Samford passes on average 45.5 times a game compared to SHSU's 41.2 times. UTC held Samford to about their average at 343 yards in their game, which was not close with a 41-21 score. And while FBS games are always weird and hard to compare, they also held Alabama to 136 yards passing, below their 234 yards a game passing average. Against Furman they held them to 196 yards, also under their 267 yards a game average. Against WCU they held them to half their 235 a game average at 117 yards passing. Are any of these teams as good at passing as SHSU? No, and that includes Bama as well. But SHSU will not have the run of the field like they have. Overall UTC's defense gives up 5.81 yards passing per attempt and 10.27 yards per completion. And, as I mentioned earlier, one of the best defenses UTC will have is holding the ball more to keep it out of SHSU's hands.

It will be an interesting game. I think it may come down to SHSU O line against the Mocs defensive front to see how much pressure Briscoe faces. Massey has it SHSU by 5 at home. I think that is about right.


Good post with some nice facts. Seriously.

[ElCid]

It should be close. Since you mentioned samford, did you see their stats against UCA?


Samford's offense didn't have to really work in that game as UCA gift wrapped a lot of their scores with defensive touchdowns. Samford was up in that game at one time 35-10 and they got a little conservative.

Yeah I saw the stats, but every game has its own unique characteristics. That game, at UCA, early in the season, was just a weird one. Samford had the short field all day and I think they got two defensive scores. Not sure it really showed each team as it really is. Samford went very conservative when they should have poured it on. If anything they have a small history of not finishing games and that was a prime example. Credit to UCA though in that they never gave up and almost pulled out the come back of come backs. All that said, it was one game regardless of what the reason was.

[katstrapper]

With all the talk about the shsu offense vs the chatty defense I think the more intriguing matchup is the shsu defense vs the chatty offense. Seems like most people are convinced that the shsu defense is poor. I'd say their production in the first half of games would argue against that but folks can think what they want. UCA fans thought they'd roll into bowers stadium and have their way offensively with a weak defense and got punched in the mouth and dominated for the entire game. The first time all year the Kats played two halfs of defense.

Since the game game isn't played on paper it doesn't matter what the rankings are for the shsu offense or the chatty defense, the match ups on the field are all that matter.

Kat Defense ranks #7 Tackles for Loss (88) and #8 Team Sacks (36) in FCS.

PJ Hall leads the way with 11 sacks and 21 tackles for loss and Mouf Adebo on the other end has 7 sacks and 10.5 tackles for loss. That is 18 sacks and 31.5 TFL from the defensive ends. Hopefully those two are as productive in this game as they have been all season.

[Sam_Kats]

#93 is a stud for Chatt. Also like the Craine kid, good back.

I think Sam's D has their work cut out for them. Getting our RB Avery back to 100% will be key & of course the Kat WR's are pretty tough to contain. Going to be fun.

[longtimemocfan]

#93 is a stud for Chatt. Also like the Craine kid, good back.

I think Sam's D has their work cut out for them. Getting our RB Avery back to 100% will be key & of course the Kat WR's are pretty tough to contain. Going to be fun.

I think it's going to a fun game to watch a lot of scenarios to look at early to see how this game unfolds.