11/15 Selection Committee Top 10

[dudeitsaid]

Not shown yet, but hopefully soon. Just wanted to give this it's own thread.

Sure wish the Kent St/Bowling Green game was still going though. That was some good football...xsmiley_wix

[milleniumkat]

My guide shows 10pm CST


"You Can't run with #81!"

[70MilesFromCanada]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23874&stc=1
Just getting my response ready.

[FargoBison]

My guide shows 10pm CST


"You Can't run with #81!"

That would be the FBS show rerun.

[milleniumkat]

That would be the FBS show rerun.

Well then Ferk me right? lol. I'll wait on yalls results. I'm too drink to work my remote


"You Can't run with #81!"

[Professor Chaos]

The dude giving his CFP ranking would fit right in on the FCS playoff selection committee. He didn't drop Clemson but dropped Michigan because Clemson lost at home to an unranked team and Michigan lost on the road to an unranked team. xeyebrowx

The chick is way better at this than he is... and easier to look at.

[Professor Chaos]

Holy smokes! NDSU to #1!

[milleniumkat]

shsu 5


"You Can't run with #81!"

[dudeitsaid]

NDSU
EWU
Jax St
JMU
SHSU
The Citadel
UCA
Richmond
UND
SDSU

[FargoBison]

JSU got the SHSU treatment this week...NDSU and EWU 1 and 2. Finally committee...finally.

[BisonTru]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161116/df304cf82e7464b51826834c141f91a3.jpg

[JSUSoutherner]

Oh well. One possible home game isn't too bad. At least it's not Fargo.

[Professor Chaos]

UCA hopping over Richmond was odd.

[70MilesFromCanada]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23875&stc=1
As I suspected all along.

[TheEagleSHSU]

JSU got the SHSU treatment this week...NDSU and EWU 1 and 2. Finally committee...finally.

So would SHSU beating #7 UCA jump them up to #3 at least?

[IBleedYellow]

That'll work. Now. Time to beat USD.

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[Bisonator]

Everything is right in the world.:D

[JSUSoutherner]

So would SHSU beating #7 UCA jump them up to #3 at least?
No.

[dudeitsaid]

AGS Poll


1
Eastern Washington Eagles
2013
46
1


2
North Dakota State Bison
1977
22
2


3
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1869
7
3


4
James Madison Dukes
1808
3
4T


5
The Citadel Bulldogs
1767
1
4T


6
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1705
4
6


7
Richmond Spiders
1517

8


8
Central Arkansas Bears
1479

9


9
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1397

10


10
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
1355

11



Committee Rankings
1 NDSU
2 EWU
3 Jacksonville St
4 JMU
5 SHSU
6 The Citadel
7 UCA
8 Richmond
9 UND
10 SDSU

Though not in exactly the same order, the top ten are the same. Good job, AGS pollsters!

[SDSUAlum08]

They're setting it up so UND or SDSU can bus to NDSU for the quarters if needed. SDSU will be sent to Grand Forks if they win at home.

[JSUSoutherner]

AGS Poll


1
Eastern Washington Eagles
2013
46
1


2
North Dakota State Bison
1977
22
2


3
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1869
7
3


4
James Madison Dukes
1808
3
4T


5
The Citadel Bulldogs
1767
1
4T


6
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1705
4
6


7
Richmond Spiders
1517

8


8
Central Arkansas Bears
1479

9


9
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1397

10


10
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
1355

11



Committee Rankings
1 NDSU
2 EWU
3 Jacksonville St
4 JMU
5 SHSU
6 The Citadel
7 UCA
8 Richmond
9 UND
10 SDSU
So close.

[Nickels]

SLC is best conference in the FCS. Proof is in the pudding. How many other conferences have two teams in the top 7?

SHSU will jump JSU and JMU after a win against UCA.

[geaux_sioux]

The table is set for UND at 8 and NDSU at 1. Convenient.

[FargoBison]

So would SHSU beating #7 UCA jump them up to #3 at least?

Possibly, especially if the Bearkats win impressively.

[SDSUAlum08]

The table is set for UND at 8 and NDSU at 1. Convenient.

Exactly. SDSU will go to Grand Forks. Then winner busses to Fargo.

[Schism55]

AGS Poll


1
Eastern Washington Eagles
2013
46
1


2
North Dakota State Bison
1977
22
2


3
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1869
7
3


4
James Madison Dukes
1808
3
4T


5
The Citadel Bulldogs
1767
1
4T


6
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1705
4
6


7
Richmond Spiders
1517

8


8
Central Arkansas Bears
1479

9


9
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1397

10


10
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
1355

11



Committee Rankings
1 NDSU
2 EWU
3 Jacksonville St
4 JMU
5 SHSU
6 The Citadel
7 UCA
8 Richmond
9 UND
10 SDSU

Though not in exactly the same order, the top ten are the same. Good job, AGS pollsters!
Very well done AGS! Hi-5!
That said, on the committee rankings, daddy liiiiike xdrunkyx

[IBleedYellow]

Exactly. SDSU will go to Grand Forks. Then winner busses to Fargo.
Well then.

I guess we'll see SDSU again in the playoffs.

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[TheKingpin28]

Please, just for once, give NDSU someone other than UM or SDSU in the second round. It would mean a lot to get the NEC or Pioneer this year. I can offer free Panda Express in return for this favor.

[Bisonator]

SLC is best conference in the FCS. Proof is in the pudding. How many other conferences have two teams in the top 7?

SHSU will jump JSU and JMU after a win against UCA.

One of you will be on the outside looking in after the game.

[dudeitsaid]

It will be interesting to see what happens with SHSU and UCA depending on who wins. It would seem the loser would be out a seed, and assuming all other teams win, UND would take on the eight seed.

[TheEagleSHSU]

Possibly, especially if the Bearkats win impressively.

My thinking is if we win impressively #3 is high as we can get.

[Nickels]

Panda Express
Fine dining Fargo style...

[Bison56]

Please, just for once, give NDSU someone other than UM or SDSU in the second round. It would mean a lot to get the NEC or Pioneer this year. I can offer free Panda Express in return for this favor.
Whoa any other favors you need I would love to get free Panda Express?

[POD Knows]

If UCA losses to SHSU and SDSU beats UNI, SDSU jumps UND and moves into the 8 spot, assuming all the other top 8 win out.

[F'N Hawks]

If SDSU wins they are getting in the Top 8. Loser of Sam Houston and UCA drops out.

[70MilesFromCanada]

Well then.

I guess we'll see SDSU again in the playoffs.

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So who do the BIZON have to whup first before they get the UND/SDSU winner?

[IBleedYellow]

So if SDSU wins this weekend do they take that #8 seed away from UND?

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[Bison56]

Fine dining Fargo style...
You know it buddy xlolx

[Bisonator]

It will be interesting to see what happens with SHSU and UCA depending on who wins. It would seem the loser would be out a seed, and assuming all other teams win, UND would take on the eight seed.

I think if SDSU wins they'll be the eighth seed.

[dudeitsaid]

SLC is best conference in the FCS. Proof is in the pudding. How many other conferences have two teams in the top 7?

SHSU will jump JSU and JMU after a win against UCA.

Based on the committee's ranking, I would see that as a very real possibility. Certainly would be the best win of the three. Though a dominant win versus UT Martin compared to a very close win against UCA may not be enough to get you over Jax St. Depends on how the Committee views UT Martin.

[Hambone]

It will be interesting to see what happens with SHSU and UCA depending on who wins. It would seem the loser would be out a seed, and assuming all other teams win, UND would take on the eight seed.
Don't be surprised if SDSU takes the 8 seed if they beat UNI. Either way it will ensure UND/SDSU potential (assuming the unseeded team wins first round) with the winner going to Fargo.

[mmiller_34]

If SDSU wins they are getting in the Top 8. Loser of Sam Houston and UCA drops out.

I don't think so. I think it will take William and Mary to beat Richmond too. Also, SDSU needs to win, which won't happen.

[TheKingpin28]

Fine dining Fargo style...

You know it! I am the supervisor on campus for NDSU so I do this to cover my bills and education, not as a career. If it pays the bills while I am finishing up school and I work no weekends, what is there to complain about?


Whoa any other favors you need I would love to get free Panda Express?

Just get the committee to give NDSU a NEC or Pioneer team in the 2nd round and I think I could hook you up with some of that grub.

[JSUSoutherner]

Based on the committee's ranking, I would see that as a very real possibility. Certainly would be the best win of the three. Though a dominant win versus UT Martin compared to a very close win against UCA may not be enough to get you over Jax St. Depends on how the Committee views UT Martin.
And whether we blow out Martin.

[dudeitsaid]

If UCA losses to SHSU and SDSU beats UNI, SDSU jumps UND and moves into the 8 spot, assuming all the other top 8 win out.

That is probably true, especially because the committee will probably completely overlook UND's guaranteed win over Bye. (Crappy time to take a Bye week! But if not a seed, maybe a blessing in disguise to get at least one week of rest before the dance.)

[70MilesFromCanada]

Don't be surprised if SDSU takes the 8 seed if they beat UNI. Either way it will ensure UND/SDSU potential (assuming the unseeded team wins first round) with the winner going to Fargo.

Again, who the heck do the Bison play BEFORE the UND/SDSU winner? Who is on the bubble from our "region" that would go to Fargo first?

[NDSUtk]

Interesting that NDSU jumped EWU. I guess the "convincing" win is worth something. Personally, if SDSU or UND is going to be 8, hell, EWU, you can have 1. I'm sick of seeing SDSU in the Dome. Not to mention I don't want to see that damn offense again this year.

As everyone is saying UCA/SHSU winner sits nice, loser...might not be a seed, even if it is SHSU.

SDSU wins convincingly, they'll jump UND I fully believe. Once again, SDSU has to win the game that matters - and they've struggled with that in the past...

Richmond...not sure what you did wrong boys.

[Professor Chaos]

They're setting it up so UND or SDSU can bus to NDSU for the quarters if needed. SDSU will be sent to Grand Forks if they win at home.
I wouldn't say that quite yet. I don't think its beyond belief that the committee still seeds SHSU and UCA (especially if UCA wins a close one). This would create a horribly unbalanced pod with the top two unseeded teams in UND and SDSU playing each other with the winner going to top seeded NDSU.

[Prime Power]

On Twitter it is JSU at #2 and EWU at #3....whats going on?

[NDSUtk]

Again, who the heck do the Bison play BEFORE the UND/SDSU winner? Who is on the bubble from our "region" that would go to Fargo first?

It won't matter the region. Seeds are done then the match-ups. So if it is such a situation that the seeds (ie: NDSU and UND) dictate that no regional team is available, they'll do a flight. It's just IF it is available, they'll do the bus trip.

And let's be honest, even if UND gets a seed, I wouldn't put it past the committee to give NDSU the screw job and send SDSU to Fargo instead of to UND. If that happens, be prepared for AGS server to overload.

[BisonTru]

Again, who the heck do the Bison play BEFORE the UND/SDSU winner? Who is on the bubble from our "region" that would go to Fargo first?

Could be anyone. SDSU and UND are the only bus-able opponents.

[Prime Power]

On Twitter it is JSU at #2 and EWU at #3....whats going on?

Nevermind

[POD Knows]

So if SDSU wins this weekend do they take that #8 seed away from UND?

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Yep, I ready predicted it in an earlier post so it is pretty much a done deal but I think UCA has to lose because if they beat SHSU, both those teams could potentially get a seed.

[CID1990]

If there is a god in heaven The Citadel will upset UNC so we can all watch the contortions this committee has to make to keep us out of the top 4.... or at least below SHSU


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[dudeitsaid]

On Twitter it is JSU at #2 and EWU at #3....whats going on?

Link?

[grayghost06]

SLC is best conference in the FCS. Proof is in the pudding. How many other conferences have two teams in the top 7?

SHSU will jump JSU and JMU after a win against UCA.

Don't be so sure.

Last 2 weeks, JMU played Richmond (7th ranked by the committee at the time) and Villanova ( not ranked by the committee, but ranked 11th Coach's & 12th AGS). Beat them both on the road and moved up just 1 spot- from 5th to 4th.

[NDSU Fan]

No reason to be nervous about playing SDSU a second time especially in the playoffs. Bison W!

[Cocky]

The committee has changed every week and I would expect more change on selection day.

[CockyGeek]

Why is The Citadel getting shafted? If that was Chattanooga with the same schedule they would be #1

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[RootinFerDukes]

So the committee is saying that 8-0 in the ovc is more impressive than 8-0 in the caa?

[NDSU Fan]

Link?

EWU #2
JSU #3

They fixed it.

[dudeitsaid]

The committee has changed every week and I would expect more change on selection day.

I think there may be some slight change. But to me, it looks like they've spent more time refining this, and finally are approaching a reasonable semblance of accuracy. Anything can happen based on wins and loses, score differentials, etc, but if the top 10 play the way that they are supposed to, there shouldn't be a huge change aside from the SHSU and UCA game.

[dudeitsaid]

EWU #2
JSU #3

They fixed it.

They should've left it longer to create some pandemonium. They said they released these to create more discussion...

[The Kicker]

Could be anyone. SDSU and UND are the only bus-able opponents.


SDSU and UND will not get a seed and will play NDSU. 8 Seed will be SHSU after they lose this weekend.

BOOK IT!

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

Interesting that NDSU jumped EWU. I guess the "convincing" win is worth something. Personally, if SDSU or UND is going to be 8, hell, EWU, you can have 1. I'm sick of seeing SDSU in the Dome. Not to mention I don't want to see that damn offense again this year.

As everyone is saying UCA/SHSU winner sits nice, loser...might not be a seed, even if it is SHSU.

SDSU wins convincingly, they'll jump UND I fully believe. Once again, SDSU has to win the game that matters - and they've struggled with that in the past...

Richmond...not sure what you did wrong boys.

While there may be some movement in positions, don't expect JMU or Richmond to change from where they are, the SC would love to see a semi-final rematch in Harrisonburg should both teams make it that far. Of course, the spiders would have to conquer the Fargodome in such a scenario.

[Sammy94]

Wow the politics worked congrats Bison. NCAA isn't dumb money is the key to it all.

[Bisonoline]

Wow the politics worked congrats Bison. NCAA isn't dumb money is the key to it all.

They smartened up after looking at your schedule.

[TheKingpin28]

SDSU and UND will not get a seed and will play NDSU. 8 Seed will be SHSU after they lose this weekend.

BOOK IT!

You need the # to make it official

[Professor Chaos]

Wow the politics worked congrats Bison. NCAA isn't dumb money is the key to it all.
Yup, because this ranking is purely based on money and politics. xrolleyesx

[TheKingpin28]

Wow the politics worked congrats Bison. NCAA isn't dumb money is the key to it all.

Do we need to continually go over how NDSU played 7 teams in the top 25 and at the time, #11 Iowa who just beat #2 on prime time VS SHSU who outside of UCA, your next best opponent is worse than NDSUs which was Missery State

[MacThor]

NDSU-1
EWU-1
Jax St-1
JMU-1
SHSU-0
The Citadel-0
UCA-1
Richmond-2
UND-2
SDSU-3

I keep telling you guys, the committee is very consistent about this. It's been the same every year since the playoffs expanded.
SDSU is going to need some help to snag a seed.

[geaux_sioux]

So what happens if UCA and another top 8 team lose this week and SDSU wins? There's no way all three Dakota schools would get a seed.

[Sammy94]

They smartened up after looking at your schedule.

My team stayed in the same spot?

[MacThor]

So what happens if UCA and another top 8 team lose this week and SDSU wins? There's no way all three Dakota schools would get a seed.

Well if that top 8 team is Citadel, I don't think they lose their seed.

[Sammy94]

Do we need to continually go over how NDSU played 7 teams in the top 25 and at the time, #11 Iowa who just beat #2 on prime time VS SHSU who outside of UCA, your next best opponent is worse than NDSUs which was Missery State

No arguement where my team is. Why the jump over EWU? Money and politics play the major role in this every year just like it does with the big boys. If not, then why do they play games at the highest bidders place? Lets seed the entire field, will never happen.

[NDSU Fan]

No arguement where my team is. Why the jump over EWU? Money and politics play the major role in this every year just like it does with the big boys. If not, then why do they play games at the highest bidders place? Lets seed the entire field, will never happen.

The Iowa win over Michigan.

[FargoBison]

No arguement where my team is. Why the jump over EWU? Money and politics play the major role in this every year just like it does with the big boys. If not, then why do they play games at the highest bidders place? Lets seed the entire field, will never happen.

Why did NDSU jump over EWU...might have something to do with the head to head.

I think Iowa over Michigan also played a huge role.

[TheKingpin28]

No arguement where my team is. Why the jump over EWU? Money and politics play the major role in this every year just like it does with the big boys. If not, then why do they play games at the highest bidders place? Lets seed the entire field, will never happen.

From any knowledgeable fan, there is no disagreement here, but this is not FBS football or the activity known as March Madness, so the amount of "money" needs to be curtailed since it does not involve OSU, Michigan, ButtBama, FSU in football and Kentucky, UNC, and Duke in the activity people call a sport in bball. #rolltide

[Sammy94]

The Iowa win over Michigan.

I understand now, The Bison would have beat Michigan in Nov. because they beat Iowa in Sept.

[AmsterBison]

Heck, I'd rather have EWU at #1. Hasn't there been a new #1 in this thing every week? Being #1 is like bring selected to be Spinal Tap's new drummer or the new Dark Arts teacher at Hogwarts.

[BisonTru]

No arguement where my team is. Why the jump over EWU? Money and politics play the major role in this every year just like it does with the big boys. If not, then why do they play games at the highest bidders place? Lets seed the entire field, will never happen.

If money and politics play a major role in the seeds, how does seeding the whole tournament change that?

[Professor Chaos]

Isn't it strange that when the committee released their first ranking and, by their own admission, didn't discuss the rankings at all with each other their ranking resembles the STATS and Coach's poll and now that they've started discussing the merits of each team compared with each other their ranking now resembles the AGS poll more closely?

[Sammy94]

If money and politics play a major role in the seeds, how does seeding the whole tournament change that?

The politics would be worse maybe but no more regional matchups on purpose, no more bidding.

[Bisonoline]

If money and politics play a major role in the seeds, how does seeding the whole tournament change that?

Bid more money.

[Thumper 76]

Don't be surprised if SDSU takes the 8 seed if they beat UNI. Either way it will ensure UND/SDSU potential (assuming the unseeded team wins first round) with the winner going to Fargo.
With SDSU getting the seed it creates a much different scenario. It would be almost guaranteed that UND goes to Fargo second round IF somehow SDSU manages to jump into the seeds. No reason to set up bussing UND right through Fargo on their way to Brookings when neither played in the regular season. A UND/SDSU matchup is certain if UND gets the seed, not at all likely with SDSU grabs the seed. Either way you're paying for a flight to Fargo or Brookings, but a MUCH shorter bus trip for UND to Fargo.


Again, who the heck do the Bison play BEFORE the UND/SDSU winner? Who is on the bubble from our "region" that would go to Fargo first?
Like I said above, only a matchup question if positions hold and UND gets a seed. Any combination of both UND and SDSU unseeded or SDSU getting a seed who NDSU will get is pretty easy to see.


I wouldn't say that quite yet. I don't think its beyond belief that the committee still seeds SHSU and UCA (especially if UCA wins a close one). This would create a horribly unbalanced pod with the top two unseeded teams in UND and SDSU playing each other with the winner going to top seeded NDSU.
Yep, would be the norm for the SDSU/NDSU area.

No reason to be nervous about playing SDSU a second time especially in the playoffs. Bison W!
Yeah, I wouldn't be worried if I were you. SDSU obviously didn't prove they can move the ball at will on the Bison defense.

SDSU and UND will not get a seed and will play NDSU. 8 Seed will be SHSU after they lose this weekend.

BOOK IT!

I could see that happening for sure. And it would be super ****ty.


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[Big_Fan]

Based on the committee's ranking, I would see that as a very real possibility. Certainly would be the best win of the three. Though a dominant win versus UT Martin compared to a very close win against UCA may not be enough to get you over Jax St. Depends on how the Committee views UT Martin.

Here is how I view them...

Martin is a decent team with a full-on idiot AD.

What kind of moron schedules 3x FBS teams and a D2 team for the out of conference schedule??? That is just screwing your team.

We may blow them out by 50.

In all likelihood it will be competitive.

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

Isn't it strange that when the committee released their first ranking and, by their own admission, didn't discuss the rankings at all with each other their ranking resembles the STATS and Coach's poll and now that they've started discussing the merits of each team compared with each other their ranking now resembles the AGS poll more closely?

This.

[WileECoyote06]

So the committee is saying that 8-0 in the ovc is more impressive than 8-0 in the caa?

Out of Conference schedule counts. You're not going to get much love for challenging yourself with Central Connecticut State and Morehead State.

[DirtyDukes]

JSU has beat 0 playoff teams and ranked above JMU who has beaten 3, all on the road, 2 after a bye week?

https://media.tenor.co/images/2ed64aa6221873cb56c97bc63354a8e2/raw

[kalm]

JSU has beat 0 playoff teams and ranked above JMU who has beaten 3, all on the road, 2 after a bye week?

https://media.tenor.co/images/2ed64aa6221873cb56c97bc63354a8e2/raw

JSU's SoS is 18, JMU's is 40...which is a little surprising. But consider that UNH and/or Maine's best win will be against each other. Still, Nova and UR are better wins than anything on JSU's schedule.

[WileECoyote06]

JSU has beat 0 playoff teams and ranked above JMU who has beaten 3, all on the road, 2 after a bye week?

https://media.tenor.co/images/2ed64aa6221873cb56c97bc63354a8e2/raw

Liberty is on the bubble, Coastal would be in. Any other year, the Easterns (Kentucky and Illinois) would be competing for a spot as well.

Playoff committees throughout the NCAA have consistently rewarded teams who play and win strong OOC schedules, when determining seeds.

[DirtyDukes]

Liberty is on the bubble, Coastal would be in. Any other year, the Easterns (Kentucky and Illinois) would be competing for a spot as well.

Playoff committees throughout the NCAA have consistently rewarded teams who play and win strong OOC schedules, when determining seeds.

Any of those teams ranked? Or even were they at the time y'all played them? We've beaten the #6 (#7 now), #9 (#15 now), and two teams at least receiving votes for the top 25.

[katstrapper]

They smartened up after looking at your schedule.


I think that all the whining worked. Is it just me or is it just a coincidence that after a Fargo radio station interviewed the FCS Committee Chairman that the rankings changed drastically?

And all the whining about SOS, how in the hell is JSU at #3 ahead of SHSU when their SOS ranks 101 and SHSU SOS ranks 85?

Time for the Kat O to do some damage.

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

The focus I am reading is on "best wins" but the critical component to the SOS in this comparison is more about "bad wins" if there were such a thing. The CCSU (224) and Morehead St. (244) games are dead weight on JMU's SOS despite the drubbings they took. URI (225) and Elon (226) don't help either in the CAA. JMU taking care of business and then some with the scores help attribute to the 4th best Sagarin score (81) with JSU at 5th (89).

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

So if NDSU and EWU are the best in FCS, who is #3? Don't be surprised if UNI upsets SDSU on Saturday evening and gets in the field at 6-5. ISU sulks at home with a similar resume, but is overlooked due to the bye.

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

Liberty is on the bubble, Coastal would be in. Any other year, the Easterns (Kentucky and Illinois) would be competing for a spot as well.

Playoff committees throughout the NCAA have consistently rewarded teams who play and win strong OOC schedules, when determining seeds.

A. Does not matter. I could say the same thing about Delaware or W&M in the CAA. This year, they all pretty much shat the bed.

B. How do you explain Hampton in 2005? OOC included the mighty Jackson St. Tigers, Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs, and the winless Savannah St. Tigers. Hampton lands the #3 seed as the undefeated MEAC champ. Proceeds to lose badly to unseeded Richmond at home in the first round.

[Cocky]

The way our defense is playing, I could care less where we are playing or who we are playing. The only difference is do I attend the game or watch on tv/computer.

[kalm]

The focus I am reading is on "best wins" but the critical component to the SOS in this comparison is more about "bad wins" if there were such a thing. The CCSU (224) and Morehead St. (244) games are dead weight on JMU's SOS despite the drubbings they took. URI (225) and Elon (226) don't help either in the CAA. JMU taking care of business and then some with the scores help attribute to the 4th best Sagarin score (81) with JSU at 5th (89).

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

So if NDSU and EWU are the best in FCS, who is #3? Don't be surprised if UNI upsets SDSU on Saturday evening and gets in the field at 6-5. ISU sulks at home with a similar resume, but is overlooked due to the bye.

I'd have JMU 3 and Cit 4. The Citadel has a slightly better SoS but Richmond and Nova are better wins than UTC or Samford or Wofford. It's really close between the two though.

[PantherRob82]

I think that all the whining worked. Is it just me or is it just a coincidence that after a Fargo radio station interviewed the FCS Committee Chairman that the rankings changed drastically?

And all the whining about SOS, how in the hell is JSU at #3 ahead of SHSU when their SOS ranks 101 and SHSU SOS ranks 85?

Time for the Kat O to do some damage.

Well if that's the case get them on the radio in Huntsville. I'm sure it has nothing to do with being the 5 times champions who keep winning games against a tough schedule.

To the comments about money, nothing changes financially whether NDSU is #1 or #2. If the seeding was affected by money EWU would be jumped by Jax St and JMU.

[Cocky]

What does it really matter?
Didnt NDSU win from the 3 hole last year?
If your team cant win on the road they are probably getting beat at home.

[Professor Chaos]

The focus I am reading is on "best wins" but the critical component to the SOS in this comparison is more about "bad wins" if there were such a thing. The CCSU (224) and Morehead St. (244) games are dead weight on JMU's SOS despite the drubbings they took. URI (225) and Elon (226) don't help either in the CAA. JMU taking care of business and then some with the scores help attribute to the 4th best Sagarin score (81) with JSU at 5th (89).

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

So if NDSU and EWU are the best in FCS, who is #3? Don't be surprised if UNI upsets SDSU on Saturday evening and gets in the field at 6-5. ISU sulks at home with a similar resume, but is overlooked due to the bye.
Yeah, those CCSU, Morehead St, and URI games really drag down JMU's SOS. So it's a little misleading to look at SOS when they have played some good teams in conference. However, JSU did challenge themselves OOC playing CCU, Liberty, and UNA (who would probably be a top 40 FCS team). Maybe this is the committee sending a message that OOC schedule matters. In the end I think JMU and El Cid should be above JSU but I can at least see the argument they'd make for JSU.

[dewey]

What does it really matter?
Didnt NDSU win from the 3 hole last year?
If your team cant win on the road they are probably getting beat at home.

It does matter because home field advantage is HUGE especially for NDSU. NDSU did win it all from the #3 seed last year. NDSU was helped by #2 seed Illinois State losing at home to #7 Richmond for #3 NDSU to get the home semifinal game. 2008 was the last year a team that won the National Championship has played on the road (Richmond). Not to say it cannot happen.

Dewey

[Professor Chaos]

I think that all the whining worked. Is it just me or is it just a coincidence that after a Fargo radio station interviewed the FCS Committee Chairman that the rankings changed drastically?

And all the whining about SOS, how in the hell is JSU at #3 ahead of SHSU when their SOS ranks 101 and SHSU SOS ranks 85?

Time for the Kat O to do some damage.
Where do you see SHSU's SOS being above JSU?

And the selection committee chair went on Fargo radio before the 2nd ranking was released when NDSU was still at #3. Tell yourself what you want but this was critical discussion comparing teams against each other that caused this movement, not politicking.

[Cocky]

It does matter because home field advantage is HUGE especially for NDSU. NDSU did win it all from the #3 seed last year. NDSU was helped by #2 seed Illinois State losing at home to #7 Richmond for #3 NDSU to get the home semifinal game. 2008 was the last year a team that won the National Championship has played on the road (Richmond). Not to say it cannot happen.

Dewey

Guess Im different because Im not worried about our team playing anywhere.

[BEAR]

Question for you experts:

If UCA loses to Sam by 3 and has a resume that includes:
Beating an FBS 4 time conference champion.
Losing to Samford but actually outplaying them.
Losing to Sam Houston but keeping it that close.
Winning all the other 8 games.

After replacing 30+ players and some coaches.

Do they get an 8 seed? Or drop out?

What seed would they get if they won against Sam? Would they even move up?

[Sammy94]

Where do you see SHSU's SOS being above JSU?

And the selection committee chair went on Fargo radio before the 2nd ranking was released when NDSU was still at #3. Tell yourself what you want but this was critical discussion comparing teams against each other that caused this movement, not politicking.

Lol ok, where else has he appeared on radio shows? Cheney? Harrisonburg? Keep telling yourself politicking isn't a big part of it. Like I said congratulations, the huge Bison lobbying has worked.

[dewey]

Question for you experts:

If UCA loses to Sam by 3 and has a resume that includes:
Beating an FBS 4 time conference champion.
Losing to Samford but actually outplaying them.
Losing to Sam Houston but keeping it that close.
Winning all the other 8 games.

After replacing 30+ players and some coaches.

Do they get an 8 seed? Or drop out?

What seed would they get if they won against Sam? Would they even move up?

I am no expert but if UCA loses I think Richmond gets the #7, UND gets the #8 seed and UCA is unseeded (unless more seeded teams lose above them). If UCA wins they stay at the #7 spot (unless more teams ahead of them lose). Also depends on how The Citadel does against North Carolina this weekend.

Dewey

[Sammy94]

Guess Im different because Im not worried about our team playing anywhere.

You think like I do. We've been to Cheney and won, we've been to Philadelphia and won, we've been to Jacksonville and won (although it wasn't last year) its time we went to Fargo to win.

[dewey]

Lol ok, where else has he appeared on radio shows? Cheney? Harrisonburg? Keep telling yourself politicking isn't a big part of it. Like I said congratulations, the huge Bison lobbying has worked.

Please explain to me why Sam Houston State should be above EWU and NDSU.

Dewey

[Professor Chaos]

Lol ok, where else has he appeared on radio shows? Cheney? Harrisonburg? Keep telling yourself politicking isn't a big part of it. Like I said congratulations, the huge Bison lobbying has worked.
No idea. But his last appearance on Fargo radio was 12 days and 2 rankings ago. Rationalize it however makes you feel good I guess though....

[Professor Chaos]

I am no expert but if UCA loses I think Richmond gets the #7, UND gets the #8 seed and UCA is unseeded (unless more seeded teams lose above them). If UCA wins they stay at the #7 spot (unless more teams ahead of them lose). Also depends on how The Citadel does against North Carolina this weekend.

Dewey
Agree mostly. I do think UND needs Cal Poly to win so they can say that have a win over a playoff team (I don't think Northern Colorado is in even if they beat Cal Poly). Without that win their resume is strikingly similar to UCA's except that UCA would have "better losses" and an FBS win. UND would have better wins technically with a few wins over teams that are close to playoff contention (Weber St, UNC, NAU, Cal Poly) but I think Cal Poly needs to win to solidify their argument for the #8 seed should UCA lose.

[Sammy94]

Please explain to me why Sam Houston State should be above EWU and NDSU.

Dewey


I am not even trying to justify my team's seeding. This has nothing to do with Sam Houston. It just dumb founds me that an EWU win with the same margin of victory as the Bison this last week gets jumped in the rankings. I somewhat see logic in the Iowa argument but if the committee didn't understand that was a good win a few weeks ago then they are the idiots I think they are.

[BisonBacker]

Lol ok, where else has he appeared on radio shows? Cheney? Harrisonburg? Keep telling yourself politicking isn't a big part of it. Like I said congratulations, the huge Bison lobbying has worked.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSRgghhUAAItpmx.jpg

[IBleedYellow]

I've heard it all now.

NDSU got #1 ranking (not seeding) due to political pressure and whining. Nothing more?

Oh boy.... That's... Rich.

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[NDB]

Guess Im different because Im not worried about our team playing anywhere.

as long as your opponent is mediocre at best, we know.

[NDB]

You think like I do. We've been to Cheney and won, we've been to Philadelphia and won, we've been to Jacksonville and won (although it wasn't last year) its time we went to Fargo to win.

What have you done for me lately, Eddie?

[Sammy94]

What have you done for me lately, Eddie?

Go undefeated.

[Professor Chaos]

I am not even trying to justify my team's seeding. This has nothing to do with Sam Houston. It just dumb founds me that an EWU win with the same margin of victory as the Bison this last week gets jumped in the rankings. I somewhat see logic in the Iowa argument but if the committee didn't understand that was a good win a few weeks ago then they are the idiots I think they are.
For being so aware of the radio interviews the committee chair did on Fargo radio you obviously didn't listen to them. He said that prior to that first ranking there was zero conversation about the rankings themselves. The only conversation was with each committee member chatting with their regional committee (who only talked about regional teams) and each committee member talking about teams in their own conference worthy of consideration (speaking about them only in relation to other teams in their conference). Translation: their first rankings were half-assed garbage.

He went on to say that going forward into the next ranking they were going to take a harder look at each of the top 10 teams in comparison with each other. Consequently, we see changes with very little or with no justification in the next two rankings. It's not too tough to figure out what happened. I just hope if they do this again next year they realize that they can't half-ass their first set of rankings again because they're going to set themselves up to get a boatload of criticism again.

[Mayville Bison]

I am no expert but if UCA loses I think Richmond gets the #7, UND gets the #8 seed and UCA is unseeded (unless more seeded teams lose above them). If UCA wins they stay at the #7 spot (unless more teams ahead of them lose). Also depends on how The Citadel does against North Carolina this weekend.

Dewey

They would have to move up to at least #6 if they win wouldn't they (displacing Sammy)?

[WileECoyote06]

Any of those teams ranked? Or even were they at the time y'all played them? We've beaten the #6 (#7 now), #9 (#15 now), and two teams at least receiving votes for the top 25.

Depends on the poll. Coastal was #17 in stats before they played in week three. Liberty was 1-2; but had played two FBS teams. They have consistently appeared in the ORV category.

[IBleedYellow]

For being so aware of the radio interviews the committee chair did on Fargo radio you obviously didn't listen to them. He said that prior to that first ranking there was zero conversation about the rankings themselves. The only conversation was with each committee member chatting with their regional committee (who only talked about regional teams) and each committee member talking about teams in their own conference worthy of consideration (speaking about them only in relation to other teams in their conference). Translation: their first rankings were half-assed garbage.

He went on to say that going forward into the next ranking they were going to take a harder look at each of the top 10 teams in comparison with each other. Consequently, we see changes with very little or with no justification in the next two rankings. It's not too tough to figure out what happened. I just hope if they do this again next year they realize that they can't half-ass their first set of rankings again because they're going to set themselves up to get a boatload of criticism again.

Observation I had: When they started doing these without any consulting, they were really close to the Coaches and Stats FCS T25s. Once the committee started talking and obviously taking things into consideration, they started looking more and more like the AGS poll.

xcoffeex

[Sammy94]

For being so aware of the radio interviews the committee chair did on Fargo radio you obviously didn't listen to them. He said that prior to that first ranking there was zero conversation about the rankings themselves. The only conversation was with each committee member chatting with their regional committee (who only talked about regional teams) and each committee member talking about teams in their own conference worthy of consideration (speaking about them only in relation to other teams in their conference). Translation: their first rankings were half-assed garbage.

He went on to say that going forward into the next ranking they were going to take a harder look at each of the top 10 teams in comparison with each other. Consequently, we see changes with very little or with no justification in the next two rankings. It's not too tough to figure out what happened. I just hope if they do this again next year they realize that they can't half-ass their first set of rankings again because they're going to set themselves up to get a boatload of criticism again.

You call it criticism, I call it politics. I am only aware of the radio show because of you. IMO the committee shouldn't be on radio shows or discuss any of it in public until the field is set. It really sets them up to look very crooked.

[Gil Dobie]

You call it criticism, I call it politics. I am only aware of the radio show because of you. IMO the committee shouldn't be on radio shows or discuss any of it in public until the field is set. It really sets them up to look very crooked.

I disagree. The committee should be open to talking with the public, radio shows or anything else that will help them gauge the rankings they are looking for. They don't need the sequestered jury thing, as outside information is valuable.

[PantherRob82]

Guess Im different because Im not worried about our team playing anywhere.

That's because you are cocky...

[IBleedYellow]

Isn't it strange that when the committee released their first ranking and, by their own admission, didn't discuss the rankings at all with each other their ranking resembles the STATS and Coach's poll and now that they've started discussing the merits of each team compared with each other their ranking now resembles the AGS poll more closely?

Oh xlolx

You've already stated this.

[PantherRob82]

Lol ok, where else has he appeared on radio shows? Cheney? Harrisonburg? Keep telling yourself politicking isn't a big part of it. Like I said congratulations, the huge Bison lobbying has worked.

It's no one's fault that Huntsville doesn't have a radio show dedicated to FCS football or the Bearkats.

[IBleedYellow]

You call it criticism, I call it politics. I am only aware of the radio show because of you. IMO the committee shouldn't be on radio shows or discuss any of it in public until the field is set. It really sets them up to look very crooked.

Wait, what?

Why would you not want them to take as much information from as many sources as possible to get as accurate of a field as possible?

[Professor Chaos]

You call it criticism, I call it politics. I am only aware of the radio show because of you. IMO the committee shouldn't be on radio shows or discuss any of it in public until the field is set. It really sets them up to look very crooked.
If they're that thin skinned that radio interviews and twitter comments affect them they shouldn't be on the committee in the first place. Constructive criticism makes rankings better. Voting in the AGS poll I'm sure you've seen that firsthand.

The CFP chair does media requests every single week after rankings are released and is always well prepared with insight directly from the committee discussions. The FCS committee chair had nothing of the sort when he went on Fargo radio. That's a problem. It was their decision to release rankings before the playoffs started. It wasn't forced on them by critics. They wanted to do it to elicit more discussion. Therefore, I'd think the more radio requests they get the better because that means there's more discussion.

However, if I'm understanding your premise I agree to a certain extent. If they're going to put these rankings out there before the playoffs start they need to make sure they have their story straight from the first ranking on (like the CFP committee does). If not, they shouldn't do it.

[Daytripper]

Wait, what?

Why would you not want them to take as much information from as many sources as possible to get as accurate of a field as possible?

A radio host is not a valid source for their seeding decisions.

[Daytripper]

If they're that thin skinned that radio interviews and twitter comments affect them they shouldn't be on the committee in the first place. Constructive criticism makes rankings better. Voting in the AGS poll I'm sure you've seen that firsthand.

When 90% of said criticism comes from from one fan-base, well, that could have an impact whether we want to admit it or not.

[WileECoyote06]

Yeah, those CCSU, Morehead St, and URI games really drag down JMU's SOS. So it's a little misleading to look at SOS when they have played some good teams in conference. However, JSU did challenge themselves OOC playing CCU, Liberty, and UNA (who would probably be a top 40 FCS team). Maybe this is the committee sending a message that OOC schedule matters. In the end I think JMU and El Cid should be above JSU but I can at least see the argument they'd make for JSU.

I think it influences their rankings quite a bit. We don't get to hear from the FCS playoff committee like we do the FBS playoff committee; but we've heard the OOC SOS argument brought up many times by that committee; and by the NCAA basketball tournament selection committee.


B. How do you explain Hampton in 2005? OOC included the mighty Jackson St. Tigers, Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs, and the winless Savannah St. Tigers. Hampton lands the #3 seed as the undefeated MEAC champ. Proceeds to lose badly to unseeded Richmond at home in the first round.

Clearly strength of schedule wasn't as prominent a factor then as it is now. Hampton was also undefeated.

[PantherRob82]

When 90% of said criticism comes from from one fan-base, well, that could have an impact whether we want to admit it or not.

You are kidding, right? When you guys were at the top the committee knew what they were doing and everything was done correctly, and now all the sudden they are susceptible to peer pressure? GTFO. xlolx

[IBleedYellow]

A radio host is not a valid source for their seeding decisions.

You mean a voting member of the Stats FCS T25 poll is not a valid source for a top 10 discussion?

Alright. I guess no one is a valid source.

[Professor Chaos]

When 90% of said criticism comes from from one fan-base, well, that could have an impact whether we want to admit it or not.
And now 100% of it is coming from other fan bases. Will that affect them to?

[Daytripper]

You are kidding, right? When you guys were at the top the committee knew what they were doing and everything was done correctly, and now all the sudden they are susceptible to peer pressure? GTFO. xlolx

Others maybe, not me. I like being #1 or #2, but I never argued that others didn't have a valid argument based on SOS. All we are saying is that it is interesting that the SOS of all the teams has not changed much from the first poll to this one, yet we drop 4 spots. What changed?

[BEAR]

So does the SLC get anymore respect now nationally? Have we moved up in "perceived" strength? xlolx

[Lehigh Football Nation]

So let me get this straight, is there ANY mathematical methodology here in regards to the Top 10 that makes any sense? Apparently, home wins over Youngstown and Indiana State were so impressive by NDSU that they've gone from No. 4 to No. 1, despite the fact that SHSU (undefeated) was ranked over them, 9-1 Eastern Washington was ranked over them, and 9-1 Jacksonville State was ranked over them. Apparently this Top 10 is just a feelings contest, because none of these other three teams disproved as to why they shouldn't be No. 1 over them. And that doesn't even take into account The Citadel, who is also undefeated in a conference that may send 4 teams to the playoffs.

[IBleedYellow]

Others maybe, not me. I like being #1 or #2, but I never argued that others didn't have a valid argument based on SOS. All we are saying is that it is interesting that the SOS of all the teams has not changed much from the first poll to this one, yet we drop 4 spots. What changed?

We are trying to explain it to you: The committee chair straight up stated that the first one they didn't even talk to each other. So it was basically a copy of the FCS Stats poll. Now they clearly are talking with each other, and the rankings reflect that.

[Professor Chaos]

Others maybe, not me. I like being #1 or #2, but I never argued that others didn't have a valid argument based on SOS. All we are saying is that it is interesting that the SOS of all the teams has not changed much from the first poll to this one, yet we drop 4 spots. What changed?
Actual discussion of the rankings happened. Had that happened before the first rankings were released (like it should've if they were going to make it public) SHSU would've dropped 1 or 2 spots at most since the first ranking and they'd be exactly where they're at right now.

[Sammy94]

Wait, what?

Why would you not want them to take as much information from as many sources as possible to get as accurate of a field as possible?

They should take in as much info as possible and discuss it among themselves, come up with what they believe is the best bracket without specific public opinion.
Why did he only appear in Fargo? Why not on ESPN radio or some other National show where he could hear from all FCS fans across the country. If you don't see how crooked that appears then take off the green and yellow glasses because they are blinding you.

[IBleedYellow]

They should take in as much info as possible and discuss it among themselves, come up with what they believe is the best bracket without specific public opinion.
Why did he only appear in Fargo? Why not on ESPN radio or some other National show where he could hear from all FCS fans across the country. If you don't see how crooked that appears then take off the green and yellow glasses because they are blinding you.


Please link me another radio station that talks FCS football every day. After you do that, please let me know why they decided they didn't want to talk to the committee chair when he was open from media contact.

[Thunderstruck]

Forget seeding the top 10.....i want to see seedings for the top 24

[Sammy94]

When 90% of said criticism comes from from one fan-base, well, that could have an impact whether we want to admit it or not.

This. Sorry I have to spread more reputation around.

[Professor Chaos]

They should take in as much info as possible and discuss it among themselves, come up with what they believe is the best bracket without specific public opinion.
Why did he only appear in Fargo? Why not on ESPN radio or some other National show where he could hear from all FCS fans across the country. If you don't see how crooked that appears then take off the green and yellow glasses because they are blinding you.
They requested a media appearance from him and they got it. Any radio show in the nation can do that. Quit making excuses and conjuring up conspiracies that aren't there.

[PantherRob82]

They should take in as much info as possible and discuss it among themselves, come up with what they believe is the best bracket without specific public opinion.
Why did he only appear in Fargo? Why not on ESPN radio or some other National show where he could hear from all FCS fans across the country. If you don't see how crooked that appears then take off the green and yellow glasses because they are blinding you.

Because they didn't invite them. You're not really this dense, right?

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This. Sorry I have to spread more reputation around.

So like they said, now that 90% is coming from Huntsville it will change again, right?

[PantherRob82]

I just heard them talking about the CFP rankings on Dan Patrick and how the early rankings are just spitballing and gauging reaction. Apparently they are crooked too. xlolx

[Daytripper]

This whole poll is ridiculous to begin with. WTF good is it if on the first try they haven't done any research or crunched any numbers? Simply copying national polls, and then "begin to do the actual work" is downright incompetent.

[IBleedYellow]

I just heard them talking about the CFP rankings on Dan Patrick and how the early rankings are just spitballing and gauging reaction. Apparently they are crooked too. xlolx

Shhhhhh, you're going to ruin their narrative.

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This whole poll is ridiculous to begin with. WTF good is it if on the first try they haven't done any research or crunched any numbers? Simply copying national polls, and then "begin to do the actual work" is downright incompetent.

That is LITERALLY what NDSU fans were mad about the first week after we heard the committee chair talk on the radio.

Welcome to 2 weeks ago, dude.

[Professor Chaos]

This whole poll is ridiculous to begin with. WTF good is it if on the first try they haven't done any research or crunched any numbers? Simply copying national polls, and then "begin to do the actual work" is downright incompetent.
Now that's a great question. I'd love to hear the committee chair's response to it.

He claimed it was "to generate discussion" but if that's the only answer he has it's a piss poor answer.

[Daytripper]

Shhhhhh, you're going to ruin their narrative.

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That is LITERALLY what NDSU fans were mad about the first week after we heard the committee chair talk on the radio.

Welcome to 2 weeks ago, dude.

Wow. We agree. Dude.

[PantherRob82]

This whole poll is ridiculous to begin with. WTF good is it if on the first try they haven't done any research or crunched any numbers? Simply copying national polls, and then "begin to do the actual work" is downright incompetent.

What good is the week 1 AGS poll for telling us where we are today? The answer: it's no good, but gave voters some practice and the chance as a collective to evaluate where things stood.

[milleniumkat]

this is a great situation for shsu.

i'm officially embracing the doubt and hate. i love it.

This is a no lose situation.

If kats lose vs uca and/or bust out early in the playoffs then it's not an upset but an expected result.

But if that doesn't happen it's a huge EFF you to the committee, and the round table of doubters.

And i hope your mods are paying attention this saturday evening if we win and after every playoff win cuz i plan on getting banned possible for life.


"You Can't run with #81!"

[milleniumkat]

Based on the committee's ranking, I would see that as a very real possibility. Certainly would be the best win of the three. Though a dominant win versus UT Martin compared to a very close win against UCA may not be enough to get you over Jax St. Depends on how the Committee views UT Martin.

agreed


"You Can't run with #81!"

[flyrod]

What good is the week 1 AGS poll for telling us where we are today? The answer: it's no good, but gave voters some practice and the chance as a collective to evaluate where things stood.
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[Sammy94]

This whole poll is ridiculous to begin with. WTF good is it if on the first try they haven't done any research or crunched any numbers? Simply copying national polls, and then "begin to do the actual work" is downright incompetent.

This is what has made it all look so crooked. They had how many weeks to get it right? This poll should not have changed as much as it have.

[kalm]

As they say...secrecy and no explanation is always the best disinfectant...

You Sam guys crack me up...

[Gil Dobie]

So let me get this straight, is there ANY mathematical methodology here in regards to the Top 10 that makes any sense? Apparently, home wins over Youngstown and Indiana State were so impressive by NDSU that they've gone from No. 4 to No. 1, despite the fact that SHSU (undefeated) was ranked over them, 9-1 Eastern Washington was ranked over them, and 9-1 Jacksonville State was ranked over them. Apparently this Top 10 is just a feelings contest, because none of these other three teams disproved as to why they shouldn't be No. 1 over them. And that doesn't even take into account The Citadel, who is also undefeated in a conference that may send 4 teams to the playoffs.

Upon further research by committee members on the total scope of work of each team and their schedule, more was revealed to them. Doubt they are slot voters by the way they move teams around.

[Redbird007]

this is a great situation for shsu.

i'm officially embracing the doubt and hate. i love it.

This is a no lose situation.

If kats lose vs uca and/or bust out early in the playoffs then it's not an upset but an expected result.

But if that doesn't happen it's a huge EFF you to the committee, and the round table of doubters.

And i hope your mods are paying attention this saturday evening if we win and after every playoff win cuz i plan on getting banned possible for life.


"You Can't run with #81!"

Will you be banned as MK , Serpendor or both?

[MacThor]

2008 was the last year a team that won the National Championship has played on the road (Richmond). Not to say it cannot happen.

Dewey

Wow - I had not realized that. Good stat!
Home field is a really big deal.

[jacksfan29]

SDSU and UND will not get a seed and will play NDSU. 8 Seed will be SHSU after they lose this weekend.

BOOK IT!

Two SLC teams with a seed and one from the MVFC and BSC. Could happen. If it does please, send us south for the 2nd round.

[gsf23nd]

They should take in as much info as possible and discuss it among themselves, come up with what they believe is the best bracket without specific public opinion.
Why did he only appear in Fargo? Why not on ESPN radio or some other National show where he could hear from all FCS fans across the country. If you don't see how crooked that appears then take off the green and yellow glasses because they are blinding you.

He also appeared on a show in Grand Forks. Maybe North Dakota stations are the only ones that asked him to come on and talk about it. Maybe you should ask your local sport radio show to request he come on and talk about the rankings.

[gsf23nd]

What good is the week 1 AGS poll for telling us where we are today? The answer: it's no good, but gave voters some practice and the chance as a collective to evaluate where things stood.

Yes, but the week one AGS poll, no teams have played a game yet so yes the poll is probably going to have a lot of movement as games start getting played. This poll was released after what, eight games were played? No reason why they couldn't have done a better job on the first effort when that many games have already been played. I would be willing to bet that AGS could have put out a damn good first poll if they had eight games of history to go on and it wouldn't have changed that much after another game was played.

[Redbird007]

Wow - I had not realized that. Good stat!
Home field is a really big deal.

Home field is definitely an advantage no doubt. However the home team is almost always the higher ranked team during the playoffs so the home team winning is a self-fulfilling prophecy as well.

[Sammy94]

I just heard them talking about the CFP rankings on Dan Patrick and how the early rankings are just spitballing and gauging reaction. Apparently they are crooked too. xlolx

Please change that old school avatar, here let me help.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/images/helmets/central-arkansas.png

I will send you the next one after the first week of the playoffs.

[walliver]

The whole Top Ten thing is a waste of time.

The FBS version creates excitement and something for the ESPN talking heads to pontificate about. It also has some meaning as only the Top 4 get to participate in the playoffs. It also serves as advance warning for teams that are not really being considered.

The FCS version serves no purpose. Is it being talked about on ESPN? Are any of the top 10 in significant danger of not making the field? In fact, the ranking of these teams won't have any real affect on anything until at least the third round of the playoffs.

If the NCAA wants these rankings to be meaningful, rate the teams in the top 30 so we can really see what is happening on the bubble. THAT would be some interesting discussion.

[BisonBacker]

The whole Top Ten thing is a waste of time.

The FBS version creates excitement and something for the ESPN talking heads to pontificate about. It also has some meaning as only the Top 4 get to participate in the playoffs. It also serves as advance warning for teams that are not really being considered.

The FCS version serves no purpose. Is it being talked about on ESPN? Are any of the top 10 in significant danger of not making the field? In fact, the ranking of these teams won't have any real affect on anything until at least the third round of the playoffs.

If the NCAA wants these rankings to be meaningful, rate the teams in the top 30 so we can really see what is happening on the bubble. THAT would be some interesting discussion.

Calling that a playoff is a joke. But people eat that **** up. It's idiotic.

[ST_Lawson]

It was really like the first week they just took all the teams that were in the top 12 or so in the polls, put the names on a wall and threw darts at them...blindfolded.
The second one, they actually looked at who they had where and were like "wait...we picked who for where now?" and revised their dart throwing...by removing the blindfold.
After that, they actually decided to sit down and look at who played whom and what the results were. Hence the improvement of the rankings over time.

[Gangtackle11]

The commitee's mistake was they should have listed the teams in alphabetical order the 1st week instead of ranking them. They admitted there wasn't a lot put into the order that 1st week.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

It was really like the first week they just took all the teams that were in the top 12 or so in the polls, put the names on a wall and threw darts at them...blindfolded.
The second one, they actually looked at who they had where and were like "wait...we picked who for where now?" and revised their dart throwing...by removing the blindfold.
After that, they actually decided to sit down and look at who played whom and what the results were. Hence the improvement of the rankings over time.

The problem is that the committee now has a perception problem that they have been paying less attention than pretty much everyone who cares passionately about FCS. Would it have been so hard to come up with coaches poll, STATS poll, their pick of computer rankings (Massey/Sag), and their own personal lists, and then average them? I mean, that's what I've done, and I'm not drawing a salary to do it.

[Bison56]

this is a great situation for shsu.

i'm officially embracing the doubt and hate. i love it.

This is a no lose situation.

If kats lose vs uca and/or bust out early in the playoffs then it's not an upset but an expected result.

But if that doesn't happen it's a huge EFF you to the committee, and the round table of doubters.

And i hope your mods are paying attention this saturday evening if we win and after every playoff win cuz i plan on getting banned possible for life.


"You Can't run with #81!"

I remember when I was 10.xthumbsupx

[kalm]

The whole Top Ten thing is a waste of time.

The FBS version creates excitement and something for the ESPN talking heads to pontificate about. It also has some meaning as only the Top 4 get to participate in the playoffs. It also serves as advance warning for teams that are not really being considered.

The FCS version serves no purpose. Is it being talked about on ESPN? Are any of the top 10 in significant danger of not making the field? In fact, the ranking of these teams won't have any real affect on anything until at least the third round of the playoffs.

If the NCAA wants these rankings to be meaningful, rate the teams in the top 30 so we can really see what is happening on the bubble. THAT would be some interesting discussion.

Totally agree on an expanded poll. Disagree on the relevance. Every little bit of exposure helps the FCS brand. It's a good thing. Even the controversial aspects.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

No reason to be nervous about playing SDSU a second time especially in the playoffs. Bison W!

Ha! I can think of a few reasons... they wear #3, #19 & #86.... but keep telling yourself that!

[milleniumkat]

I remember when I was 10.xthumbsupx

I embrace your hate. I receive every inch of your insult into me.


"You Can't run with #81!"

[milleniumkat]

The whole Top Ten thing is a waste of time.

The FBS version creates excitement and something for the ESPN talking heads to pontificate about. It also has some meaning as only the Top 4 get to participate in the playoffs. It also serves as advance warning for teams that are not really being considered.

The FCS version serves no purpose. Is it being talked about on ESPN? Are any of the top 10 in significant danger of not making the field? In fact, the ranking of these teams won't have any real affect on anything until at least the third round of the playoffs.

If the NCAA wants these rankings to be meaningful, rate the teams in the top 30 so we can really see what is happening on the bubble. THAT would be some interesting discussion.

You are a omelette bafoon. See yourself out. No other sport at any level has a "Top 4 only" championship bracket. lll. What a tool. No one talked about FCS before the FBS had a playoff either you retard.

but hey damn sure talk about it a lot more these days thanks to NDSU.


"You Can't run with #81!"

[deez_na]

You think like I do. We've been to Cheney and won, we've been to Philadelphia and won, we've been to Jacksonville and won (although it wasn't last year) its time we went to Fargo to win.

I remember the last time you were in Fargo
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23876&stc=1

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I remember the last time you were in Fargo
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23876&stc=1

Man, home field advantage, what a myth! xlolx

[BisonTru]

What's at stake this weekend? All of this just my opinion.

NDSU - @USD, lose I'd say they drop past at least The Citadel, but not out
EWU - @PSU, lose I'd say they drop similiar to NDSU, 6, 7, 8th but not out
Jax St - TN-Martin, lose I think they hang on right about the last seed
JMU - Elon, Losing to Elon at home would be a pretty bad loss, I don't think it's any worse than Richmond's resume tho, but given how close to selection they may be right below the spiders
SHSU - @UCA, Losing at home to the Bears I think would take them out of the seeds, although it could be close especially if SDSU loses
The Citadel - @UNC (FBS), Losing is expected, no where but to really go up for The Cit
UCA - SHSU, Losing would put them out of the seeds, with their only good win to Ark St, and losses to Sammy and Samford
Richmond - @W&M, Losing would give them another bad loss with the SB loss, taking them out of the seeds
UND - Bye, SDSU losing would cement them into the next-in, with a UCA/SHSU loss insured, they could easily slide into the final spot
SDSU - @UNI, Losing eliminates them for a seed, winning though could bump them ahead of UND

[Jacked_Rabbit]

I remember the last time you were in Fargo
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23876&stc=1

11-5?!?! Buzz, your girlfriend... woof!

[MacThor]

Home field is definitely an advantage no doubt. However the home team is almost always the higher ranked team during the playoffs so the home team winning is a self-fulfilling prophecy as well.

Of course. But the finals haven't always been #1 vs #2, so there have certainly been some well-timed upsets early enough in the tournament to keep the eventual winner at home when they would have gone on the road if the seeds had held. NDSU needed Richmond to upset Illinois State last year; 2010 - EWU was the #5 and needed #4 and​ #1 to get knocked out early.

[Mayville Bison]

When 90% of said criticism comes from from one fan-base, well, that could have an impact whether we want to admit it or not.

Explain then how 90+% of the AGS community said the first rankings weren't justifiable. Most SHSU and JSU posters even stated they didn't understand the rankings.

Seems like you are more frustrated that NDSU has a dedicated radio station to discuss NDSU and FCS football where these conversations can be had publicly while Sammy isn't even an afterthought in your market.

[walliver]

You are a omelette bafoon. See yourself out. No other sport at any level has a "Top 4 only" championship bracket. lll. What a tool. No one talked about FCS before the FBS had a playoff either you retard.

but hey damn sure talk about it a lot more these days thanks to NDSU.


"You Can't run with #81!"

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. My comment was that weekly press releases make some sense when only some teams get invited. The Top Ten for FCS will all get invited and therefore there is little drama other than who gets home games in the quarters and semis.


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[milleniumkat]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. My comment was that weekly press releases make some sense when only some teams get invited. The Top Ten for FCS will all get invited and therefore there is little drama other than who gets home games in the quarters and semis.


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Well then make a better post.

[deez_na]

11-5?!?! Buzz, your girlfriend... woof!

Great movie, lol. It's that time of year where my wife is all about christmas movies.

[WileECoyote06]

The problem is that the committee now has a perception problem that they have been paying less attention than pretty much everyone who cares passionately about FCS. Would it have been so hard to come up with coaches poll, STATS poll, their pick of computer rankings (Massey/Sag), and their own personal lists, and then average them? I mean, that's what I've done, and I'm not drawing a salary to do it.

Agreed, but how many people are mad or don't trust the committee now? 100? 200? 35? 15?

[Mayville Bison]

this is a great situation for shsu.

i'm officially embracing the doubt and hate. i love it.

This is a no lose situation.

If kats lose vs uca and/or bust out early in the playoffs then it's not an upset but an expected result.

But if that doesn't happen it's a huge EFF you to the committee, and the round table of doubters.

And i hope your mods are paying attention this saturday evening if we win and after every playoff win cuz i plan on getting banned possible for life.


"You Can't run with #81!"

Please show me where anyone said SHSU isn't a good team. Many have actually said they could be the best in the nation - they just haven't been able to prove it against playoff-level competition. I'm looking forward to watching the SHSU/UCA game as it will finally show if Sammy is a top 3 team or if they are an at large that needs to prove it on the road.

As for paying attention to you after you win a meaningful game, I'm looking forward to it. More discussion which I'll admit you have done in your own way is always a good thing. Hope to see you throughout January and into next year as well.

[Bisonator]

xpopcornx

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/survivor1.gif

[Bison56]

I embrace your hate. I receive every inch of your insult into me.


"You Can't run with #81!"

Are you hitting on me?

[milleniumkat]

Please show me where anyone said SHSU isn't a good team. Many have actually said they could be the best in the nation - they just haven't been able to prove it against playoff-level competition. I'm looking forward to watching the SHSU/UCA game as it will finally show if Sammy is a top 3 team or if they are an at large that needs to prove it on the road.

As for paying attention to you after you win a meaningful game, I'm looking forward to it. More discussion which I'll admit you have done in your own way is always a good thing. Hope to see you throughout January and into next year as well.

Man you do the searches yourself. I've read in this very site for weeks about how Shsu sucks, no defense, blown out in the playoffs, shouldn't be top ten...etc. I'm not doing the homework for you.


"You Can't run with #81!"

[milleniumkat]

Are you hitting on me?

I've said too much....
...but should I be?

[PantherRob82]

Please change that old school avatar, here let me help.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/images/helmets/central-arkansas.png

I will send you the next one after the first week of the playoffs.

I like that one better, but that would require effort.

[Bison56]

I've said too much....
...but should I be?

I feel uncomfortable.

[Mayville Bison]

Man you do the searches yourself. I've read in this very site for weeks about how Shsu sucks, no defense, blown out in the playoffs, shouldn't be top ten...etc. I'm not doing the homework for you.


"You Can't run with #81!"

I'm supposed to go find posts that don't exist? Got it

Seriously though, try to find one non-sarcastic post that claims Sammy isn't a top 10 team right now. Can't believe I have to stroke your ego. It's bad enough when bisonville posters claim the sky is falling

[bobcathpdevil56]

I feel uncomfortable.

Do you need a safe place? A place to express feelings and play with legos

[centennial]

I remember the last time you were in Fargo
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23876&stc=1

Let's be honest we could've ran up the score to 60-3 if we wanted.

[JSUSoutherner]

Do you need a safe place? A place to express feelings and play with legos

He beat me to it! xlolx

[NEBison]

Let's be honest we could've ran up the score to 60-3 if we wanted.

John Crocket power to the right over, and over,and over.

[Bison56]

Do you need a safe place? A place to express feelings and play with legos

Are you wearing a safety pin?

[milleniumkat]

I hear Bison claim, EWU and Iowa but i don't hear them talk much about the near loss to CSU in the opener.

24-17 in OT was it? hmmm

Gardner Freaking Webb just beat CSU by the same margin and they BLOW!!!

So..since comparative sos matters so much, the committee should have Gardner Webb in the top 3.


"You Can't run with #81!"

[gsf23nd]

I hear Bison claim, EWU and Iowa but i don't hear them talk much about the near loss to CSU in the opener.

24-17 in OT was it? hmmm

Gardner Freaking Webb just beat CSU by the same margin and they BLOW!!!

So..since comparative sos matters so much, the committee should have Gardner Webb in the top 3.


"You Can't run with #81!"

Who else has Gardner Webb beat? Why would they be #3 after just one win?

[milleniumkat]

Who else has Gardner Webb beat? Why would they be #3 after just one win?

#ButtGardnerWebb


"You Can't run with #81!"

[FargoBison]

I hear Bison claim, EWU and Iowa but i don't hear them talk much about the near loss to CSU in the opener.

24-17 in OT was it? hmmm

Gardner Freaking Webb just beat CSU by the same margin and they BLOW!!!

So..since comparative sos matters so much, the committee should have Gardner Webb in the top 3.


"You Can't run with #81!"

Log out, you're drunk.

[milleniumkat]

Log out, you're drunk.

#ButtGardnerWebb


"You Can't run with #81!"

[milleniumkat]

#ButtButtCSU


"You Can't run with #81!"

[TheEagleSHSU]

Log out, you're drunk.

He usually is drunk! However when he is drunk he usually makes the most sense. You should see him when he is sober!

[PantherRob82]

I hear Bison claim, EWU and Iowa but i don't hear them talk much about the near loss to CSU in the opener.

24-17 in OT was it? hmmm

Gardner Freaking Webb just beat CSU by the same margin and they BLOW!!!

So..since comparative sos matters so much, the committee should have Gardner Webb in the top 3.



"You Can't run with #81!"

Now you're just being an idiot. It was Week 0 and CSU has lost some players to injury since then. xrolleyesx

[The Yo Show]

I think what the committee finally decided to do, was look at AGS's weekly poll, and then took all the top 10 teams from that and argued about the order for like 6 hours and rearranged the same top 10 to get to where they are. :D

[Serpentor]

Geeez PR82, did you make that helmet with MS Paint 1.0?

Please, put this in your avatar, I'm begging you.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/images/helmets/central-arkansas.png

[PantherRob82]

Geeez PR82, did you make that helmet with MS Paint 1.0?

Please, put this in your avatar, I'm begging you.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/images/helmets/central-arkansas.png
It's from the AGS options. For you I will change it, not for that other bro.;)

[Serpentor]

It's from the AGS options. For you I will change it, not for that other bro.;)

Serpentor is pleased! First a changed avatar pic, then... THE WORLD! THIS, I COMMAND!

[PantherRob82]

Serpentor is pleased! First a changed avatar pic, then... THE WORLD! THIS, I COMMAND!

Do you want me to change the world? For the better?

[grayghost06]

Let's be honest we could've ran up the score to 60-3 if we wanted.

Hoping for all fans (other than Sammy fans) that we avoid this matchup again. It's like the Bills against the Cowboys in the Super Bowl or Ohio State vs an SEC team in a National Championship game.

[Serpentor]

Hoping for all fans (other than Sammy fans) that we avoid this matchup again. It's like the Bills against the Cowboys in the Super Bowl or Ohio State vs an SEC team in a National Championship game.

I don't think an SEC team would want to play this year's Ohio State team in the national championship.

[Sammy94]

Hoping for all fans (other than Sammy fans) that we avoid this matchup again. It's like the Bills against the Cowboys in the Super Bowl or Ohio State vs an SEC team in a National Championship game.

At least Colgate won't be around this year. So you guys may have a chance.

[thebootfitter]

Lol ok, where else has he appeared on radio shows? Cheney? Harrisonburg? Keep telling yourself politicking isn't a big part of it. Like I said congratulations, the huge Bison lobbying has worked.
I usually don't take to personal attacks on internet forums, but your comments leave me no choice. You're a tool.

[grayghost06]

At least Colgate won't be around this year. So you guys may have a chance.

Thank goodness. Dem toothpaste guys came to play.

[Sammy94]

I usually don't take to personal attacks on internet forums, but your comments leave me no choice. You're a tool.

Wow, sorry I offended you to personal attacks but you aren't the only one who thinks that. My ex-wife calls me a....

http://images.gardenstreet.co.uk/images/carbon-steel-draw-hoe-with-plastic-handle-p688-920_zoom.jpg

[BEAR]

She calls you:

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt6xnm1IEX1r4ghkoo1_250.gif

[kalm]

Lance mentioned in this week's FCSWedge podcast that UCA and SHSU are ranked 1 and 2 in the Southland in scoring defense. UCA is ranked 7th nationally in the same stat, but Sam is ranked 52nd nationally in scoring defense. That's not as much a knock on Sam's defense as it is on the level of competition their offense has been facing. There are no Southland teams other than UCA ranked in the top 50.

The Southland doing it's best Big Sky impersonation...

[BEAR]

Lance mentioned in this week's FCSWedge podcast that UCA and SHSU are ranked 1 and 2 in the Southland in scoring defense. UCA is ranked 7th nationally in the same stat, but Sam is ranked 52nd nationally in scoring defense. That's not as much a knock on Sam's defense as it is on the level of competition their offense has been facing. There are no Southland teams other than UCA ranked in the top 50.

The Southland doing it's best Big Sky impersonation...

That's a strange stat to look at for two reasons:

UCA has pulled much of its starting defense in the fourth quarters of games OR rotated in freshman in those quarters and given up some scores. Yes we've had some close games but watching them and looking at the players on the field I usually see those sophomores out there in the fourth.

Sam has pulled its starters late in games where they are up by 4 scores. Their defense isn't as strong as UCA's but does enough to keep the other teams from getting too close.

[milleniumkat]

this whole committee just lost all relevance. They have SFA's AD n the panel. No frigging wonder!!

No SFA associated guy would ever give any props to SHSU after the face rapings we give them. They want zero success for Shsu. That's a proven fact. All they gave us basketball but no one cares but them.

This whole thing is horse **** rigged from the get go. Have a nice playoffs ladies, cuz this is horse ****. horse ****. horse ****.


"You Can't run with #81!"

[milleniumkat]

He usually is drunk! However when he is drunk he usually makes the most sense. You should see him when he is sober!

#ButtButtCSU


"You Can't run with #81!"

[milleniumkat]

Now you're just being an idiot. It was Week 0 and CSU has lost some players to injury since then. xrolleyesx

That's nothing but excuses. Weak sauce alert!!
#ButtGardnerWebbb
#BUTTSDSU
#ButCSU

"You Can't run with #81!"

[milleniumkat]

You can't let anyone from SFA run anything but a damn opium den let alone a football committee. Shut down this thread. Cancel the playoffs. Everyone get a frigging attorney STAT


"You Can't run with #81!"

[Bisonator]

#BUTTSLCAND
#SHSUFANTEARS
#AREDELICIOUS

[milleniumkat]

y'all sure did some crying a few weeks ago.


"You Can't run with #81!"

[milleniumkat]

You will cry more before this season is finished.


"You Can't run with #81!"

[milleniumkat]

oh wait...you guys will get to play Lehigh. lolol. Ok. Give em the ring now.


"You Can't run with #81!"

[CockyGeek]

Full meltdown mode

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[UNDBIZ]

Actual discussion of the rankings with MVFC bros happened. Had that happened before the first rankings were released (like it should've) SHSU would've dropped 1 or 2 spots at most since the first ranking and they'd be exactly where they're at right now.

FYP


Keep telling yourself politicking isn't a big part of it. Like I said congratulations, the huge Bison lobbying has worked.

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/65352267.jpg

[fmrbearkat]

Full meltdown mode

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Meltdown mode will be Sunday on here about 10:45am when the Kats are a top 2 seed because we just throttled UCA by 30. xcoffeex

[Sammy94]

y'all sure did some crying a few weeks ago.


"You Can't run with #81!"

They got their #1 rating back from the committee, so at least that quieted the tears. For now.....

[Professor Chaos]

Attorneys??? Are assets about to be frozen???

[centennial]

Meltdown mode will be Sunday on here about 10:45am when the Kats are a top 2 seed because we just throttled UCA by 30. xcoffeex
What happens if SHSU losses?

[ST_Lawson]

What happens if SHSU losses?

Hilarity ensues.

Also regarding that guy who makes more sense when drunk (a page or two back) I knew a trumpet player like that. Pretty good when sober, phenomenal when drunk.

[fmrbearkat]

What happens if SHSU losses?

Our boys better get some sleep and a chip on their shoulder because there will be several long road trips.

And i I might cry a tad because my travel will be limited this year with a 10 day old. And no it wasn't poor planning...it was a hot wife and poor use of birth control :D

[Professor Chaos]

FYP

Since you seem to be all knowing about this mass conspiracy why is it that the MVFC bros didn't get SDSU ranked above UND? They certainly have an argument to be.

[Bison56]

What happens if SHSU losses?

The Sammy fans will disappear

[UNDBIZ]

Since you seem to be all knowing about this mass conspiracy why is it that the MVFC bros didn't get SDSU ranked above UND? They certainly have an argument to be.

More dramatic to do it after SDSU beats 5-6 UNI. Also, I probably wouldn't call it a conspiracy, more like a bunch of easily influenced people who hung out too long in an echo chamber.

[Professor Chaos]

More dramatic to do it after SDSU beats 5-6 UNI. Also, I probably wouldn't call it a conspiracy, more like a bunch of easily influenced people who hung out too long in an echo chamber.
I guess AGS voters must be in that same echo chamber. xrolleyesx

[UNDBIZ]

I guess AGS voters must be in that same echo chamber. xrolleyesx

Absolutely. Place is flooded with MVFC bros.

[Gangtackle11]

What happens if SHSU losses?

Rioting in the streets. Counseling available for those who can't handle the loss. Ask for a recount of the points UCA scored.......

[FargoBison]

Absolutely. Place is flooded with MVFC bros.

Should we bring in Ursus to tell you how the MVFC bros typically vote...Or is he now an MVFC bro as well?

[Daytripper]

The Sammy fans will disappear

You won't get rid of me that easy.... Somebody has to stick around to keep everybody humble.

[Bison56]

Rioting in the streets. Counseling available for those who can't handle the loss. Ask for a recount of the points UCA scored.......

I heard they had orange safety pins ready to distribute.

[Bison56]

You won't get rid of me that easy.... Somebody has to stick around to keep everybody humble.
I shouldn't say all just the ones who decided to show up a couple weeks ago.

[Bison56]

Absolutely. Place is flooded with MVFC bros.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23877&stc=1

[JMUNJ08]

Our boys better get some sleep and a chip on their shoulder because there will be several long road trips.

And i I might cry a tad because my travel will be limited this year with a 10 day old. And no it wasn't poor planning...it was a hot wife and poor use of birth control :D

Sorry, poor planning but a good husband....

6 month olds are easier to leave on road trips (if we need any)...


I also did not read all 245 posts until now. Did I miss anything? xcoffeex

[RootinFerDukes]

JSU's SoS is 18, JMU's is 40...which is a little surprising. But consider that UNH and/or Maine's best win will be against each other. Still, Nova and UR are better wins than anything on JSU's schedule.

The lsu loss is overinflating JSU's SOS more than it should be. JMU has wins over 3 playoff teams while jsu hasn't played a playoff team all season. Okay, ccu might be if they weren't transitioning, I'll give them that.

[JSUSoutherner]

The lsu loss is overinflating JSU's SOS more than it should be. JMU has wins over 3 playoff teams while jsu hasn't played a playoff team all season. Okay, ccu might be if they weren't transitioning, I'll give them that.
You're right, North Carolina has no influence over JMU's SOS like LSU does for us. Cry me a river.

[RootinFerDukes]

You're right, North Carolina has no influence over JMU's SOS like LSU does for us. Cry me a river.

You're actually right. Unc does have less influence than lsu, unless unc has passed lsu in the rankings. I honestly have no clue, as I don't pay attention to fbs.

[milleniumkat]

How can a team be seeded Number One when it may lose the conference outright title to an unseeded team?


"You Can't run with #81!"