UND Negotiating move to MVFC and Summit

[Mayville Bison]

Read the first paragraph. And it doesn't really matter as it looks like UND is headed to the MVFC regardless of what you think.

So the MVC teams in the MVFC will add UND to the MVFC in hopes to bring NDSU back down to their level? Got it. Sign me up.

Oh and pass the salt???

[abc123]

Please explain to us why Indiana State would want UND to join their football conference? After you do that, please do the same for Youngstown St, Illinois St, Missouri St, Northern Iowa, and Southern Illinois.

I don't know how many votes UND would need in order to be invited, but I would assume more than half. Let's say you have the Dakota's 3 votes and Western Illinois to "stabilize the Summit". Where and how are you going to get the two (possibly more if you need 3/4 support) additional votes?
No one on this message board is the one who has to come up with the votes. The conference commissioner is the one discussing possible join dates with UND's athletic director. While I guess I wouldn't put it past her, it seems like a pretty asinine thing to do after refusing to even discuss membership for the last 5 years. If she's doing it now, there's a reason.



It's a hypothetical situation. Playing a one off MVFC team is different from playing the whole slate. Realistically, I don't see UND significantly better than 2-3 teams in the MVFC this year. And beating NDSU makes you a good team? I would think winning the NC, or some games in the playoffs would do that.

Basketball, I completely disagree with you the Summit is a much better league. Just because you have won a couple of games doesn't make the difference in level insignificant. Why do we even have computer ratings?

You are underestimating both the Summit and the MVFC. It's a increase in competitiveness. It's not like you are dominating the Big Sky.
I believe UND is a better team than USD with a better run defense. I believe they would have been able to beat YSU (especially with its current QB issues) and WIU. Doesn't mean they would have, but that's my opinion. We may get to see on WIU in a few weeks.

I'm not sure what to tell you if you don't think RPI can be easily manipulated. Playing a better schedule and losing games to bump up your RPI, doesn't make you a better team or make you a better league. The Summit made it a priority to schedule better to bump up their RPI. Having fewer conference games than the Big Sky (which has some bad teams in it) gives them more room to schedule tougher teams.

I mean UND is 7-0 in league play, can't get much better than that. That being said, I have no problem admitting they would be underdogs to EWU.

[nodak651]

So the MVC teams in the MVFC will add UND to the MVFC in hopes to bring NDSU back down to their level? Got it. Sign me up.

Oh and pass the salt???

"I'm not saying that's true or not, just playing devils advocate" It was one positive for those schools. The fact remains that the MVFC is likely going to add UND, and you can't do anything about it.

[clenz]

It's a hypothetical situation. Playing a one off MVFC team is different from playing the whole slate. Realistically, I don't see UND significantly better than 2-3 teams in the MVFC this year. And beating NDSU makes you a good team? I would think winning the NC, or some games in the playoffs would do that.

Basketball, I completely disagree with you the Summit is a much better league. Just because you have won a couple of games doesn't make the difference in level insignificant. Why do we even have computer ratings?

You are underestimating both the Summit and the MVFC. It's a increase in competitiveness. It's not like you are dominating the Big Sky.
Funny....Summit fans are doing the same with the night in and night out competitiveness in the MVC vs the Summit.

[Yote 53]

No one on this message board is the one who has to come up with the votes. The conference commissioner is the one discussing possible join dates with UND's athletic director. While I guess I wouldn't put it past her, it seems like a pretty asinine thing to do after refusing to even discuss membership for the last 5 years. If she's doing it now, there's a reason.



I believe UND is a better team than USD with a better run defense. I believe they would have been able to beat YSU (especially with its current QB issues) and WIU. Doesn't mean they would have, but that's my opinion. We may get to see on WIU in a few weeks.

I'm not sure what to tell you if you don't think RPI can be easily manipulated. Playing a better schedule and losing games to bump up your RPI, doesn't make you a better team or make you a better league. The Summit made it a priority to schedule better to bump up their RPI. Having fewer conference games than the Big Sky (which has some bad teams in it) gives them more room to schedule tougher teams.

I mean UND is 7-0 in league play, can't get much better than that. That being said, I have no problem admitting they would be underdogs to EWU.

USD was kicking the crap out of UND in Grand Forks until Streveler decided to start throwing unforced INTs for TD's to the Fawkers. These two teams play 10 times and USD wins 7 out of those 10 times. That's how impressed I was with the UND football team. Not very. We totally pissed that game down our leg and disgraced the MVFC in doing so.

As someone who has watched USD take their lumps in the MVFC for years and that has been watching UND since their transition as well I can tell you that UND is not equipped to handle this conference week in week out. You guys would get beat up and would struggle to win 3 games in this conference.

[nodak651]

USD was kicking the crap out of UND in Grand Forks until Streveler decided to start throwing unforced INTs for TD's to the Fawkers. These two teams play 10 times and USD wins 7 out of those 10 times. That's how impressed I was with the UND football team. Not very. We totally pissed that game down our leg and disgraced the MVFC in doing so.

As someone who has watched USD take their lumps in the MVFC for years and that has been watching UND since their transition as well I can tell you that UND is not equipped to handle this conference week in week out. You guys would get beat up and would struggle to win 3 games in this conference.

So the team leading the entire FCS in interceptions, averaging 2 int a game, got lucky that they had two interceptions versus USD.

[UNDColorado]

USD was kicking the crap out of UND in Grand Forks until Streveler decided to start throwing unforced INTs for TD's to the Fawkers. These two teams play 10 times and USD wins 7 out of those 10 times. That's how impressed I was with the UND football team. Not very. We totally pissed that game down our leg and disgraced the MVFC in doing so.

As someone who has watched USD take their lumps in the MVFC for years and that has been watching UND since their transition as well I can tell you that UND is not equipped to handle this conference week in week out. You guys would get beat up and would struggle to win 3 games in this conference.

We were playing terrible football the first four weeks of the season so take it for what it's worth. We play again next year so you will get you chance soon enough.

[abc123]

USD was kicking the crap out of UND in Grand Forks until Streveler decided to start throwing unforced INTs for TD's to the Fawkers. These two teams play 10 times and USD wins 7 out of those 10 times. That's how impressed I was with the UND football team. Not very. We totally pissed that game down our leg and disgraced the MVFC in doing so.

As someone who has watched USD take their lumps in the MVFC for years and that has been watching UND since their transition as well I can tell you that UND is not equipped to handle this conference week in week out. You guys would get beat up and would struggle to win 3 games in this conference.
I don't have any issue with your opinion even though I think it flips and UND takes 7 out of 10 against USD. I wouldn't argue that UND didn't look great for the first half of the game, there wasn't much to be impressed with, especially considering two very uncharacteristic turnovers. UND has struggled early in quite a few games this year but played much better the second half, not a fun trend to watch. As for unforced INT's, Streveler threw a pick 6 in the 1st quarter and the 3rd quarter, so it wasn't a second half thing with him. However I do think he was tired of taking a beating towards the end of the game. Tough kid and really fun to watch, but he was getting punished and I think that played into some of his late decisions. USD also only averaged 3.6 yards/carry so it wasn't like the ground game was doing much.

UND is still building its depth under Bubba and I think next year will finally be where they need to be at every position outside of probably QB. With no bye until the final week of the season, there is some guys gutting it out to get on the field.

[F'N Hawks]

Never change Coyote fans, never change.

[UNDBIZ]

Never change Coyote fans, never change.

They're quite the broken record.

[Southern Bison]

As one of many who got flooded, your comment is beyond offensive. It belongs up your a** where it came from. It really is true that Bison IQ = Idiot Quotient.
Guess I forgot to post a "trigger warning"...

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[clenz]

Touching back to the Evansville issue DBACK took up with me earlier. Here is a quote from an Evansville Board of Trustees member. He is also one the Champions Fund donor. The quote sums up Evansville's athletic department, and fan base, and why most MVC fans don't really care for UE pretty damn well



When Ellerbook and Wilkerson discussed their fundraising goal several years ago, they decided if the Aces returned to the NCAA tournament it would raise the profile of the entire university.


Evansville sniffed an NCAA tournament bid in March, falling on a last-second shot to Northern Iowa in the MVC championship game.


Does the Aces’ failure to make it to The Big Dance mean the Champions Fund hasn’t accomplished its goal?

On the contrary, Ellerbrook said the basketball program has “exceeded our expectations” the past two seasons.


“I think that’s where the big payoff will come in terms of applications and donations and alumni interest, but I’m hesitant to say that that is the absolute goal,” he said of the NCAA tournament. “We can have a successful program at (UE) without making the NCAA or for that matter, the NIT.




Yep. They don't actually care if they ever make the NCAA tournament. Beating up a weak OOC, knocking off a few big name teams every so often, and not being a dumpster fire is all they care about.

[ST_Lawson]

...not being a dumpster fire...

What's that like? I've heard good things.

[Redbird007]

Any update on this possibility or is it dead until season over or dead forever?

[BisonHype!]

We are letting them grieve a little longer first.

[JSUSoutherner]

We are letting them grieve a little longer first.
Imagine how jacked they will be after grieveing for the past two years. They will fit right in in the Valley.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Imagine how jacked they will be after grieveing for the past two years. They will fit right in in the Valley.









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[abc123]

Any update on this possibility or is it dead until season over or dead forever?
UND's new president attended the NDSU/SDSU football game last weekend as a guest of NDSU's president. Maybe just a coincidence, but Patty Viverito was also in attendance.

[centennial]

UND's new president attended the NDSU/SDSU football game last weekend as a guest of NDSU's president. Maybe just a coincidence, but Patty Viverito was also in attendance.

Oh look NDSU is facilitating UND. Why? Let them stay where they are.

[Redbird007]

You don't have to know how to read tea leaves to see what the future may hold. If it happens then the next question is ... is there another team joining?..ie Wichita State football? and if so how does the conference scheduling work? We all might hear the decison once the MVFC members are done playing? It does not make a lot sense to have a one league in which 2 teams do not play 2 other teams but dumb ***** happens all the time with college football ... ie the former BCS process for determining national championship and FCS football which has some conferences opting out of playoffs.

[UNIFanSince1983]

You don't have to know how to read tea leaves to see what the future may hold. If it happens then the next question is ... is there another team joining?..ie Wichita State football? and if so how does the conference scheduling work? We all might hear the decison once the MVFC members are done playing? It does not make a lot sense to have a one league in which 2 teams do not play 2 other teams but dumb ***** happens all the time with college football ... ie the former BCS process for determining national championship and FCS football which has some conferences opting out of playoffs.

Naw we should just stick with 11 teams then do the Southland thing. Play 9 league games (one team plays 8 for some stupid reason). Then we get a D2 and an FBS on the schedule. Whamo you're done!

[Redbird007]

Naw we should just stick with 11 teams then do the Southland thing. Play 9 league games (one team plays 8 for some stupid reason). Then we get a D2 and an FBS on the schedule. Whamo you're done!

Does that mean we have to be trailing 65 - 0 in playoff games too?

[centennial]

Naw we should just stick with 11 teams then do the Southland thing. Play 9 league games (one team plays 8 for some stupid reason). Then we get a D2 and an FBS on the schedule. Whamo you're done!
Nope let's just play 11 conference games + FBS when we have 12 game year.

[clenz]

Nope let's just play 11 conference games + FBS when we have 12 game year.
11 teams =/= games...I'm probably misunderstanding you and you're working under the 12 team assumption

[centennial]

11 teams =/= games...I'm probably misunderstanding you and you're working under the 12 team assumption
UND + Wichita State. We need a new team to hate, here are 2.

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[F'N Hawks]

Having the two best teams in a certain conference not playing each other in regular season is stupid as hell. MVFC is lucky they don't have that problem.

[centennial]

Having the two best teams in a certain conference not playing each other in regular season is stupid as hell. MVFC is lucky they don't have that problem.
Are you claiming that UND had a chance against EWU?

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[FargoBison]

Having the two best teams in a certain conference not playing each other in regular season is stupid as hell. MVFC is lucky they don't have that problem.

We've been there, done that multiple times. It was settled once in Frisco though.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Having the two best teams in a certain conference not playing each other in regular season is stupid as hell. MVFC is lucky they don't have that problem.

You mean like 2014 when NDSU didn't play ISUr until the Championship?

[clenz]

You mean like 2014 when NDSU didn't play ISUr until the Championship?
Or 2015 when they also split the title because they didn't play

[Bison56]

Having the two best teams in a certain conference not playing each other in regular season is stupid as hell. MVFC is lucky they don't have that problem.

EWU and Cal Poly played November 5th.

[BisonHype!]

Or 2015 when they also split the title because they didn't play

Someone got caught with their pants down....lol

[F'N Hawks]

Someone already knew that. Which is why he made the comment showing it's already happening and adding one team probably isn't going to make much of a difference.

[hebmskebm]

I'm not taking a stance on it one way or another, but it's absolutely possible to have divisions and a conference championship game without adding games or overlapping with the playoffs. They do it in the Division II PSAC conference (which has 14 teams and only one OOC game, so for here I'll use a 12 team format with more OOC)

Two divisions of six schools each

In a season a school plays:

2 (or 3) OOC
5 Divisional rivals
4 (or 3) Conference rivals from the other division, with the final game of the season written in pencil, not pen. After the next to last week of the season, the two division winners play in the final game of the year, leaving the two teams penciled in to play each of them to play each other. Voila, built-in conference championship game! Is it perfect? Of course not, and it could lead to schools hypothetically playing twice in the regular season, either in the championship game or the "leftover" game. But the point is it's possible.

[superman7515]

I'm not taking a stance on it one way or another, but it's absolutely possible to have divisions and a conference championship game without adding games or overlapping with the playoffs. They do it in the Division II PSAC conference (which has 14 teams and only one OOC game, so for here I'll use a 12 team format with more OOC)

In a season a school plays:

Two divisions of six


2 (or 3) OOC
5 Divisional rivals
4 (or 3) Conference rivals from the other division, with the final game of the season written in pencil, not pen. After the next to last week of the season, the two division winners play in the final game of the year, leaving the two teams penciled in to play them to play each other. Voila, built-in conference championship game! Is it perfect? Of course not, and it could lead to schools hypothetically playing twice in the regular season, either in the championship game or the "leftover" game. But the point is it's possible.

But as I explained earlier, none of that is necessary because you are expressly permitted to play an extra game for the conference championship game. You don't need to give up the bye, you don't need to have teams scheduling written in pencil for the final week, you don't have to have teams playing one fewer game. None of it.

[superman7515]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?188257-UND-Negotiating-move-to-MVFC-and-Summit&p=2407463&viewfull=1#post2407463

"A conference championship game on an open date during the traditional fall season, provided the game is played (as opposed to scheduled) the week prior to the first round of an NCAA football championship date and provided the game is listed on the schedules of all conference members;"

Now that teams are playing games in Week 0, hence why some teams have two games played by the end of Week 1, the MVFC would simply require all teams to begin the season with a game in Week 0 (it may have to be a conference game simply to insure that all teams get a game in). All teams would still play 11-12 games, still have a bye week, and the conference championship game would be played the weekend before the playoffs started.

[Thumper 76]

Someone already knew that. Which is why he made the comment showing it's already happening and adding one team probably isn't going to make much of a difference.

Jesus. Yes it will make a difference, at least for the western teams. I'm a broken record on this, but here we go again.

The eastern teams aren't going to go for an extra trip west, they wouldn't when we added USeD and they certainly won't for UND. That means they drop two western teams off their schedule. This exponentially exasperates the situation. Now you have basically the west schools all being guaranteed to be playing UNI, SDSU, NDSU, USeD, and UND. While the east will be guaranteed to be playing MSU, ISUb, YSU, SIU, and ISUr. So the east will be much much easier to have the record to win the conference AND get a seed over the western teams. As a SDSU fan, it will further exasperate the being sent to Fargo situation, since it becomes more difficult to get a seed over an eastern team since they would "both be MVFC teams" despite who they had to play, and there's no way that an SDSU team with an extra loss to a NDSU or a UNI will get a seed over a ISUr or YSU who got to skate by and drop possibly two of the toughest teams in the conference. No thanks.


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[hebmskebm]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?188257-UND-Negotiating-move-to-MVFC-and-Summit&p=2407463&viewfull=1#post2407463

"A conference championship game on an open date during the traditional fall season, provided the game is played (as opposed to scheduled) the week prior to the first round of an NCAA football championship date and provided the game is listed on the schedules of all conference members;"

Now that teams are playing games in Week 0, hence why some teams have two games played by the end of Week 1, the MVFC would simply require all teams to begin the season with a game in Week 0 (it may have to be a conference game simply to insure that all teams get a game in). All teams would still play 11-12 games, still have a bye week, and the conference championship game would be played the weekend before the playoffs started.

That's true, but I don't know if schools would necessarily want to play an extra game before a grueling playoff run, especially in years where there will be 12 games on the schedule anyway. Also I don't know how many schools would be all that jazzed about playing on "Week 0" either. If it turns out they want to, and to have an added championship game, then great. My post was just to show how you could fit it in within the existing framework of the season.

[superman7515]

Just for an example using BisonTru's divisions, and f--- you I'm not worried about whether it would be the actual league divisions...

East
Youngstown State: 6-2
Illinois State: 4-4
Western Illinois: 3-5
Eastern Illinois: 2-6
Indiana State: 2-6
Southern Illinois: 2-6

West
South Dakota State: 7-1
North Dakota State: 7-1
Northern Iowa: 4-4
South Dakota: 3-5
Missouri State: 2-6
North Dakota: 1-7

And the final game would have been Youngstown State vs South Dakota State in the championship game.

You play all 5 teams in your division, you play three teams from the other division, then the final week it would have been the MVFC Championship Game sponsored by Casey's Pizza at Soldier Field (wherever, some neutral site venue planned in advance, whatever city floats your boat). You bring out the bands, the girls in wet t-shirts, you get the donors excited and spluging some money on your program, the white-people-dancing version of the Celebration Bowl.



Just using NDSU as an example, but you can substitute and figure it out, your 4-year schedule would be:

Year 1
Week 0 - vs Youngstown State
Week 1 - @ FBS
Week 2 - vs OOC
Week 3 - vs OOC
Week 4 - Bye
Week 5- @ Illinois State
Week 6 - vs Western Illinois
Week 7 - vs South Dakota State
Week 8 - @ Northern Iowa
Week 9 - vs South Dakota
Week 10 - @ Missouri State
Week 11 - vs North Dakota
Week 12 - Bye unless in MVFC Championship Game

Year 2
Week 0 - @ Youngstown State
Week 1 - vs OOC
Week 2 - vs OOC
Week 3 - vs OOC
Week 4 - Bye
Week 5- vs Illinois State
Week 6 - @ Western Illinois
Week 7 - @ South Dakota State
Week 8 - vs Northern Iowa
Week 9 - @ South Dakota
Week 10 - vs Missouri State
Week 11 - @ North Dakota
Week 12 - Bye unless in MVFC Championship Game

(Five conference away games means no FBS game if you want to have 6 home games, unless it's a 12 game season in which case you can add a game or another bye week, rock on)

Year 3
Week 0 - vs Eastern Illinois
Week 1 - @ FBS
Week 2 - vs OOC
Week 3 - vs OOC
Week 4 - Bye
Week 5- @ Indiana State
Week 6 - vs Southern Illinois
Week 7 - vs South Dakota State
Week 8 - @ Northern Iowa
Week 9 - vs South Dakota
Week 10 - @ Missouri State
Week 11 - vs North Dakota
Week 12 - Bye unless in MVFC Championship Game

Year 4
Week 0 - @ Eastern Illinois
Week 1 - vs OOC
Week 2 - vs OOC
Week 3 - vs OOC
Week 4 - Bye
Week 5- vs Indiana State
Week 6 - @ Southern Illinois
Week 7 - @ South Dakota State
Week 8 - vs Northern Iowa
Week 9 - @ South Dakota
Week 10 - vs Missouri State
Week 11 - @ North Dakota
Week 12 - Bye unless in MVFC Championship Game

(Same as Year 2, no FBS game if you want to have six home games, unless it's a 12-game regular season, in which case you can add a game or another bye week)

Obviously you can move the Bye week wherever you want. For a 12-game regular season, you just move the Championship Game to Week 13 and add another game or a second bye week.

[F'N Hawks]

Jesus. Yes it will make a difference, at least for the western teams. I'm a broken record on this, but here we go again.

The eastern teams aren't going to go for an extra trip west, they wouldn't when we added USeD and they certainly won't for UND. That means they drop two western teams off their schedule. This exponentially exasperates the situation. Now you have basically the west schools all being guaranteed to be playing UNI, SDSU, NDSU, USeD, and UND. While the east will be guaranteed to be playing MSU, ISUb, YSU, SIU, and ISUr. So the east will be much much easier to have the record to win the conference AND get a seed over the western teams. As a SDSU fan, it will further exasperate the being sent to Fargo situation, since it becomes more difficult to get a seed over an eastern team since they would "both be MVFC teams" despite who they had to play, and there's no way that an SDSU team with an extra loss to a NDSU or a UNI will get a seed over a ISUr or YSU who got to skate by and drop possibly two of the toughest teams in the conference. No thanks.


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But, UND sucks. And so does USD. You should be thrilled to get two bottom feeders every year. You play the other two anyway. Right?

[Twentysix]

But, UND sucks. And so does USD. You should be thrilled to get two bottom feeders every year. You play the other two anyway. Right?

The west would be so much stronger than the east.

The east would have 1 good team each year and some years maybe 2.

The west would always have 3 good teams and some years 5.

[Thumper 76]

But, UND sucks. And so does USD. You should be thrilled to get two bottom feeders every year. You play the other two anyway. Right?

Hell even I'll admit that USeD is a decent team and UND is trending upwards. And those would be the two worst teams in that part of the country.


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[Redbird007]

I like the concept Superman. I hear Thumper's argument but if we add another team to the MVFC then two teams are not playing each other and that creates all types of parity issues anyway. If there are 2 or 3 divisional cross over games per team that should place credibility on MVFC SOS with the championship game further helping SOS credibility. I think the big point is you still have to get to a certain number of wins (7 but maybe 6) with a respectable SOS regardless if teams are lumped into one or two divisions. If the MVFC West ends up being that tough then come FCS playoff time West teams with 6 wins will have a strong SOS and be a playoff consideration where the East 6 wins teams will not. The part I don't like is the fact that I would always rather watch ISU play a tougher team than a weaker team.

BTW How in the hell did UND win a game in the example conference standings?

[Redbird007]

The west would be so much stronger than the east.

The east would have 1 good team each year and some years maybe 2.

The west would always have 3 good teams and some years 5.

When you make this assumption you forget that once UND joins the MVFC they will be poaching recruits that NDSU, SDSU, UNI and USD would have gotten as they can now say they are in the MVFC and playing top notch competition.. I see it impacting the recruits from MN, ND, SD, IA and WI. Will it be a big deal maybe not but certainly if each team loses 1 or 2 recruits a year to UND it does make UND better and slightly marginalizes the others.

[cx500d]

Naw we should just stick with 11 teams then do the Southland thing. Play 9 league games (one team plays 8 for some stupid reason). Then we get a D2 and an FBS on the schedule. Whamo you're done!

Why don't we just all schedule Southland teams as our DII cupcake games?


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[cx500d]

Are you claiming that UND had a chance against EWU?

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Never know since the fans were chanting "one & done"


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[F'N Hawks]

When you make this assumption you forget that once UND joins the MVFC they will be poaching recruits that NDSU, SDSU, UNI and USD would have gotten as they can now say they are in the MVFC and playing top notch competition.. I see it impacting the recruits from MN, ND, SD, IA and WI. Will it be a big deal maybe not but certainly if each team loses 1 or 2 recruits a year to UND it does make UND better and slightly marginalizes the others.

Where do you think UND is recruiting now? Not much would change.

[Redbird007]

Where do you think UND is recruiting now? Not much would change.

I think there is a change and yes it could be marginal or they may land an extra few recruits. Real hard to quantify.

[cx500d]

Where do you think UND is recruiting now? Not much would change.

I agree. Poor argument.


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[Redbird007]

I agree. Poor argument.


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I know it was a stretch...just wanted to see the jacks and bizons get worked up.

[Twentysix]

I don't think UND will ever get to NDSU's levels of success in football, but to pretend that they won't be a perennial top 15-30 team is willful ignorance imo.

All 4 Dakota schools will be at the top of the FCS from here on out with only minor bumps in the road. As everyone else on this forum constantly argues, there is a huge advantage to being a flagship university, and all 4 Dakotas have that.

And UNI is more or less always good.

I think only NDSU seems plausible to have success at the next level, but at this level all 4 of the Dakota schools should have no problems.

[SU19]

The last thing ND needs is UND and NDSU in the same conference. It hurts NDSU by having to play a supposed "rivalry" game every year. Compounded with the fact that NDSU already doesn't get to play every school each year. There's nothing to gain from this. The D-II days are thankfully over, and hopefully stay behind.

[Wilson16]

Make them beg to get in. Then beg some more.

[Twentysix]

The last thing ND needs is UND and NDSU in the same conference. It hurts NDSU by having to play a supposed "rivalry" game every year. Compounded with the fact that NDSU already doesn't get to play every school each year. There's nothing to gain from this. The D-II days are thankfully over, and hopefully stay behind.

Stability for UND is to gain. Potential stability for the Summit as well.

It isn't necessarily a win win for NDSU but I really don't think that will ultimately matter. As long as it isn't a huge hindrance it would be political suicide for NDSU to oppose UND.

If you can get the MVFC to shoot this down, it won't be from NDSU. It gives NDSU and SDSU better travel partners too.

[superman7515]

BTW How in the hell did UND win a game in the example conference standings?

Misery State always manages to lose at least one game a year that they had no business losing.

[cx500d]

I have nothing but fond memories of my trips to the other Dakota Schools back in the 80's. I won't get worked up over it. I also admit I watch the hockey team from the north during tournament time and cheered them on last winter.


I know it was a stretch...just wanted to see the jacks and bizons get worked up.

[BisonHype!]

Just for an example using BisonTru's divisions, and f--- you I'm not worried about whether it would be the actual league divisions...

East
Youngstown State: 6-2
Illinois State: 4-4
Western Illinois: 3-5
Eastern Illinois: 2-6
Indiana State: 2-6
Southern Illinois: 2-6

West
South Dakota State: 7-1
North Dakota State: 7-1
Northern Iowa: 4-4
South Dakota: 3-5
Missouri State: 2-6
North Dakota: 1-7



I know this is just an example of what the West/East would look like, but... HELL NO. Granted, if you want to be the best, play the best. Yes, that is warranted. If I am an East team, I am voting for this immediately. Free seed in the playoffs and avoiding some of the best teams in the MVFC every year?!?! Totally lopsided and wouldn't work at all in my opinion.

[Twentysix]

I have nothing but fond memories of my trips to the other Dakota Schools back in the 80's. I won't get worked up over it. I also admit I watch the hockey team from the north during tournament time and cheered them on last winter.

yuck.

That being said I have no problem begrudgingly welcoming a team who makes sense as a conference member up until we are offered some better situation.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I don't think UND will ever get to NDSU's levels of success in football, but to pretend that they won't be a perennial top 15-30 team is willful ignorance imo.

All 4 Dakota schools will be at the top of the FCS from here on out with only minor bumps in the road. As everyone else on this forum constantly argues, there is a huge advantage to being a flagship university, and all 4 Dakotas have that.

And UNI is more or less always good.

I think only NDSU seems plausible to have success at the next level, but at this level all 4 of the Dakota schools should have no problems.


USD is the 'weak sister' of the group. IMO, they will have a decent year every so often but they will not be a consistent top level NC contender.

[BisonBacker]

Stability for UND is to gain. Potential stability for the Summit as well.

It isn't necessarily a win win for NDSU but I really don't think that will ultimately matter. As long as it isn't a huge hindrance it would be political suicide for NDSU to oppose UND.

If you can get the MVFC to shoot this down, it won't be from NDSU. It gives NDSU and SDSU better travel partners too.

History tells us anytime we've been in the same conference with those schmucks it's been just that a hindrance.

[BisonBacker]

USD is the 'weak sister' of the group. IMO, they will have a decent year every so often but they will not be a consistent top level NC contender.

Just as it was years ago.

[cx500d]

History tells us anytime we've been in the same conference with those schmucks it's been just that a hindrance.

It wasn't a hindrance during my time in school. They tended to be easy wins in the 80s


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[Redbird007]

What is the timing of the announcement? When all MVFC teams are done playing?

[Twentysix]

What is the timing of the announcement? When all MVFC teams are done playing?

Who knows, it may not even happen.

[taper]

It wasn't a hindrance during my time in school. They tended to be easy wins in the 80s


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They absolutely were a hindrance. NDSU and maybe SDSU would have gone FCS in the 80s if UND and USD hadn't held them back. Image what could have been if we'd joined UNI and the Montanas around that time.

[Twentysix]

They absolutely were a hindrance. NDSU and maybe SDSU would have gone FCS in the 80s if UND and USD hadn't held them back. Image what could have been if we'd joined UNI and the Montanas around that time.

A fan sees that as a hindrance, not the institution.

This decision will not be supported or denied based upon the schoolboy rivalry present in alumni, it will be supported or opposed on an institutional level. What should've would've or could've happened for a sports program 35 years ago doesn't matter to the institution. State politics matter, budgets matter, national reputation matters. Success in sports matters, but it matters a lot less than any of the real issues facing NDSU as an institution.

If NDSU could cut sports and become a top 50 world institution, it would. Sports are fun, and they are a good way to raise money by keeping alumni interest alive, but lets not kid ourselves, anything between NDSU and UND that has implications beyond sports is decided first and foremost by the criteria affecting the institution as a whole, then secondarily they consider future sports potential. They likely don't consider what happened 35 years ago at all.

The growth of the institution isn't really measured in national championship trophies, that's just a good way to attract some students and keep alumni interested. NDSU has taken a huge step forward by becoming a relevant research institution and by producing doctorates. ****ing with UND on things that really don't matter is a way to jeopardize future funding, and the same goes for them, but to, it would seem, to a slightly lesser extent.

[SDFS]

They absolutely were a hindrance. NDSU and maybe SDSU would have gone FCS in the 80s if UND and USD hadn't held them back. Image what could have been if we'd joined UNI and the Montanas around that time.

How did UND and USD hold back the SUs in the 80s?

[Twentysix]

How did UND and USD hold back the SUs in the 80s?

I thought I remember people saying USD was in favor of moving the NCC to the FCS. I think taper is talking about that.

[jacksfan29]

I thought I remember people saying USD was in favor of moving the NCC to the FCS. I think taper is talking about that.

And that was in the early 2000s when SDSU and NDSU were trying to get everyone to move up after Northern Colorado left. I have never heard of SDSU wanting to move up in the 80s. Plus, UNI moved up in 1978? and I'm pretty sure both Montana schools also moved in the 70s.

Both SDSU and NDSU should have tried moving up when UNI did but neither did, old news not worth even talking about.

[clenz]

And that was in the early 2000s when SDSU and NDSU were trying to get everyone to move up after Northern Colorado left. I have never heard of SDSU wanting to move up in the 80s. Plus, UNI moved up in 1978? and I'm pretty sure both Montana schools also moved in the 70s.

Both SDSU and NDSU should have tried moving up when UNI did but neither did, old news not worth even talking about.
UNI started the move in 81

[ursus arctos horribilis]

A fan sees that as a hindrance, not the institution.

This decision will not be supported or denied based upon the schoolboy rivalry present in alumni, it will be supported or opposed on an institutional level. What should've would've or could've happened for a sports program 35 years ago doesn't matter to the institution. State politics matter, budgets matter, national reputation matters. Success in sports matters, but it matters a lot less than any of the real issues facing NDSU as an institution.

If NDSU could cut sports and become a top 50 world institution, it would. Sports are fun, and they are a good way to raise money by keeping alumni interest alive, but lets not kid ourselves, anything between NDSU and UND that has implications beyond sports is decided first and foremost by the criteria affecting the institution as a whole, then secondarily they consider future sports potential. They likely don't consider what happened 35 years ago at all.

The growth of the institution isn't really measured in national championship trophies, that's just a good way to attract some students and keep alumni interested. NDSU has taken a huge step forward by becoming a relevant research institution and by producing doctorates. ****ing with UND on things that really don't matter is a way to jeopardize future funding, and the same goes for them, but to, it would seem, to a slightly lesser extent.

That is some pretty solid work there 26.

[cx500d]

Yeah, I remember we played UNI at Dakota Field either in 1982 or 1983 and beat them even then.

[cx500d]

USD had the better teams in the 80's. We went down separate sides of the bracket in the tournement once and met in the Natty and beat them.


I thought I remember people saying USD was in favor of moving the NCC to the FCS. I think taper is talking about that.

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USD had the better teams in the 80's. We went down separate sides of the bracket in the tournement once and met in the Natty and beat them.


I thought I remember people saying USD was in favor of moving the NCC to the FCS. I think taper is talking about that.

[Execute008]

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4153166-report-und-negotiating-conference-move-missouri-valley-summit-league

This would be a good move if it happens.

[Catbooster]

A fan sees that as a hindrance, not the institution.

This decision will not be supported or denied based upon the schoolboy rivalry present in alumni, it will be supported or opposed on an institutional level. What should've would've or could've happened for a sports program 35 years ago doesn't matter to the institution. State politics matter, budgets matter, national reputation matters. Success in sports matters, but it matters a lot less than any of the real issues facing NDSU as an institution.

If NDSU could cut sports and become a top 50 world institution, it would. Sports are fun, and they are a good way to raise money by keeping alumni interest alive, but lets not kid ourselves, anything between NDSU and UND that has implications beyond sports is decided first and foremost by the criteria affecting the institution as a whole, then secondarily they consider future sports potential. They likely don't consider what happened 35 years ago at all.

The growth of the institution isn't really measured in national championship trophies, that's just a good way to attract some students and keep alumni interested. NDSU has taken a huge step forward by becoming a relevant research institution and by producing doctorates. ****ing with UND on things that really don't matter is a way to jeopardize future funding, and the same goes for them, but to, it would seem, to a slightly lesser extent.

xthumbsupxxbowx


And that was in the early 2000s when SDSU and NDSU were trying to get everyone to move up after Northern Colorado left. I have never heard of SDSU wanting to move up in the 80s. Plus, UNI moved up in 1978? and I'm pretty sure both Montana schools also moved in the 70s.

Both SDSU and NDSU should have tried moving up when UNI did but neither did, old news not worth even talking about.

The Montana schools were founding members of the Big Sky in 1963.

[Bisonoline]

A fan sees that as a hindrance, not the institution.

This decision will not be supported or denied based upon the schoolboy rivalry present in alumni, it will be supported or opposed on an institutional level. What should've would've or could've happened for a sports program 35 years ago doesn't matter to the institution. State politics matter, budgets matter, national reputation matters. Success in sports matters, but it matters a lot less than any of the real issues facing NDSU as an institution.

If NDSU could cut sports and become a top 50 world institution, it would. Sports are fun, and they are a good way to raise money by keeping alumni interest alive, but lets not kid ourselves, anything between NDSU and UND that has implications beyond sports is decided first and foremost by the criteria affecting the institution as a whole, then secondarily they consider future sports potential. They likely don't consider what happened 35 years ago at all.

The growth of the institution isn't really measured in national championship trophies, that's just a good way to attract some students and keep alumni interested. NDSU has taken a huge step forward by becoming a relevant research institution and by producing doctorates. ****ing with UND on things that really don't matter is a way to jeopardize future funding, and the same goes for them, but to, it would seem, to a slightly lesser extent.

Excellent post. When ever people start talking about moving up Ive used Penn State as an example when they moved to the Big 10. Even though they have a storied athletic dept it was the school-institution, endowments, research, alumni etc etc etc that was the real reason the Big 10 wanted them.

[F'N Hawks]

Look for an announcement sometime real soon about UND joining the Summit League and I assume the MVFC.

Clenz, there will be a few years grace period for UNI to get their independent scheduling alliance ready.

[dewey]

Look for an announcement sometime real soon about UND joining the Summit League and I assume the MVFC.

Clenz, there will be a few years grace period for UNI to get their independent scheduling alliance ready.

Link? Inside information?

Dewey

[F'N Hawks]

Link? Inside information?

Dewey

It's being speculated on message boards but I was told it's coming tomorrow, if not today even.

[Bisonoline]

Look for an announcement sometime real soon about UND joining the Summit League and I assume the MVFC.

Clenz, there will be a few years grace period for UNI to get their independent scheduling alliance ready.

I hope sioux volley isnt your source.:D

[F'N Hawks]

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/4204979-sources-und-set-leave-big-sky-conference

There we go. Quicker than I thought (that's what she said).

[clenz]

Son of a bitch.

[LeeshaJo]

Who is leaving?

[TheKingpin28]

Well this blows

[Laker]

So this is actually going to happen.

Too bad that Omaha doesn't bring back football. They could just rename the Summit the NCC.

[TheKingpin28]

Now the entire West side of the Valley is seriously ****ed. This is one of the worst things since now the East will have a cakewalk to the title and be healed up for the playoffs.

[Thumper 76]

Look for an announcement sometime real soon about UND joining the Summit League and I assume the MVFC.

Clenz, there will be a few years grace period for UNI to get their independent scheduling alliance ready.

****ing horse**** that they are allowed in the MVFC. IDGAF about them being in the Summit though.


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[Thumper 76]

I hope sioux volley isnt your source.:D

Unfortunately......https://twitter.com/domizzowday/status/823986699046944768


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[clenz]

Who is leaving?
With any luck us.


We don't have luck.

We'll be stuck playing NDSU, SDSU, UND, and USD on the road in the same year with home games against ISUr, WIU, MSU, and SIU.

F

[Yote 53]

I hope sioux volley isnt your source.:D

Somewhere in this world Sioux Volley's head just exploded.

[Thumper 76]

Who is leaving?

Hopefully somebody is otherwise the xDSUs, USeD, and UNI just took it up the tailpipe.


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[F'N Hawks]

****ing horse**** that they are allowed in the MVFC. IDGAF about them being in the Summit though.


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"Allowed in". How prestigous.

I thought with all the power that UNI and SDSU have they could have easily blocked it. What gives?

[Thumper 76]

"Allowed in". How prestigous.

I thought with all the power that UNI and SDSU have they could have easily blocked it. What gives?

Well yeah, when they have to vote on your admittance your allowed in ya twat.


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[clenz]

"Allowed in". How prestigous.

I thought with all the power that UNI and SDSU have they could have easily blocked it. What gives?
UNI doesn't have a president

Tough to make a power play with no president.

Conveniently timed....

[citdog]

So I guess that home and home with NDSU is now a reality...

http://www.urbancombatives.com/m_resources/articles/images/thirdpp11.jpg

[Yote 53]

Hopefully somebody is otherwise the xDSUs, USeD, and UNI just took it up the tailpipe.


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How do you figure? It's a tough conference, so what? Our schools have always played in tough conferences.

[F'N Hawks]

How do you figure? It's a tough conference, so what? Our schools have always played in tough conferences.

Flattering how good everyone thinks UND is. They aren't, but it's certainly nice to read.

[Yote 53]

UNI doesn't have a president

Tough to make a power play with no president.

Conveniently timed....

Cheer up. Maybe one of your lackeys in the state legislature will get that bill through strong arming Iowa and ISU and forcing them into giving the UNI AD some of their athletic revenues. Then the Panthers will be able to compete in the New World Order.

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Flattering how good everyone thinks UND is. They aren't, but it's certainly nice to read.

Oh, I wasn't including you guys. You are the new bottom feeder in the western side of the MVFC. Welcome to the party bishes.

[F'N Hawks]

Oh, I wasn't including you guys. You are the new bottom feeder in the western side of the MVFC. Welcome to the party bishes.

:D

[clenz]

How do you figure? It's a tough conference, so what? Our schools have always played in tough conferences.
There will now be an unofficial divisional set up put in place.

That means the set up is likely

UNI
USD
SDSU
NDSU
UND
MSU
----
ISUB
ISUR
SIU
WIU
YSU

Yep, that's uneven but that's okay.

There are 8 conference games. I'd bet in UNI's case we see the following rotation

Play every year (or such a long rotation off it won't matter)
USD
SDSU
NDSU
UND
MSU

Rotate 3 of
ISUb
ISUr
SIU
WIU
YSU

Compare that to the likely eastern set up (using ISUr for my example)

ISUb
SIU
WIU
YSU
and rotating only 3 of the Dakota schools and UNI.

[F'N Hawks]

Thinking the MVFC/AGS private text message group is blowing up phones right now.....

[citdog]

:D


It's STILL Faye Reagan

[Trumpster]

Flattering how good everyone thinks UND is. They aren't, but it's certainly nice to read.

See, the thing isn't that people aren't saying that. It's that the Eastern Schools will have a the possibility of missing 2 of NDSU, SDSU, and UNI making it significantly easier to acquire the autobid.

[F'N Hawks]

See, the thing isn't that people aren't saying that. It's that the Eastern Schools will have a the possibility of missing 2 of NDSU, SDSU, and UNI making it significantly easier to acquire the autobid.

The autobid means nothing. The second place team can get the #1 overall seed in the playoffs. The third place team isn't in it anyway.

[Laker]

Maybe it was in the article and I missed it. Is UND going to bring back baseball?

[clenz]

Flattering how good everyone thinks UND is. They aren't, but it's certainly nice to read.
It has nothing to do with how good/bad UND is. It has to do with the rotation it forces the rest of us into.

[F'N Hawks]

It has nothing to do with how good/bad UND is. It has to do with the rotation it forces the rest of us into.

Gotcha.

[clenz]

Cheer up. Maybe one of your lackeys in the state legislature will get that bill through strong arming Iowa and ISU and forcing them into giving the UNI AD some of their athletic revenues. Then the Panthers will be able to compete in the New World Order.

That doosh isn't affiliated with UNI. That bill is DOA for about 23849238298 reasons. More than one of those being UNI making sure it dies.

[Thumper 76]

How do you figure? It's a tough conference, so what? Our schools have always played in tough conferences.
Apparently you haven't kept up with this thread? Or any other posts I've made on this topic on other boards?

This is an absolutely moronic move for the MVFC. At least for UNI and the Dakota schools. It will be wonderful for the Eastern schools who will be able to rotate off of two of these teams now instead of one. That seems like a legit way to set the autobid. It would be like last year where ISUr got to tie for the conference championship without playing NDSU. Now take that situation where they finish above a ndsu, used, SDSU, UNI, or UND by one game, except they got to miss SDSU and ndsu that year. How ****ed would that be? But no everyone is all for making 300 team conferences. ****ing stupid. Take them in the summit but not the MVFC.


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Oh, but they don't have to do divisions you say?

You know why we would have divisions? Because the eastern schools would demand it. Adding USeD was allowed because the east schools got to drop a trip west every year. Do you think adding another team out west will be ok with them, especially with the Illinois schools financial issues, unless it doesn't add an extra trip? We already have a pseudo division set up because of it. Each team would be missing two teams per year, so you think there is any chance that it won't be used to drop another east west game with the eastern teams mentality about travel? In fact, I would bet my ass UND is trying to sl the eastern schools that it would save them travel by being able to drop two western schools from their schedule per year. It will happen. The irony of this is most if not all Valley fans hate the weakness of SHSUs schedule but are for adding UND which will create that situation on a smaller scale in our own conference.


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They might not be called "divisions" but they essentially will be. "But that's not that big of a deal". Actually, it's a huge deal. It will allow eastern teams to get through and achieve higher seeds and be healthier than the western teams. One extra loss can be the difference one way or the other when it comes to seeding. IDGAF about being in the "strong conference", I want to have the conference schedule to be level to maximize the possibility of that happening for everyone. As a fan of a team who gets screwed with the conference schedule like UNI does (every other year @ UNI, ISUr, and NDSU), I'm not a fan of making it tougher on the western teams and easier on the eastern one who get to drop an NDSU or SDSU every once in a while. **** that.

And to answer smarmy ass Fhawk head, the reason UNDies got in was likely because they sold the eastern schools on being able to save more money by getting to drop a trip West every year, while leveraging their move to the Summit (which was a gimmie, let's be honest) to get those teams on board with their admittance.


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[Redbird007]

Who is leaving?

I hope the Redbirds are planning something else. Getting too many schools far removed. NDSU being only school in ND was tolerable given their competitiveness and following. Now going to another school a bit further in same distant marketplace? MVFC footprint was not good and just got worse. Nothing in this addition for any conference member not in ND, SD or IA except additional travel costs (especially if not a Summit member).

[F'N Hawks]

Apparently you haven't kept up with this thread? Or any other posts I've made on this topic on other boards?

Oh, but they don't have to do divisions you say?


They might not be called "divisions" but they essentially will be. "But that's not that big of a deal". Actually, it's a huge deal. It will allow eastern teams to get through and achieve higher seeds and be healthier than the western teams. One extra loss can be the difference one way or the other when it comes to seeding. IDGAF about being in the "strong conference", I want to have the conference schedule to be level to maximize the possibility of that happening for everyone. As a fan of a team who gets screwed with the conference schedule like UNI does (every other year @ UNI, ISUr, and NDSU), I'm not a fan of making it tougher on the western teams and easier on the eastern one who get to drop an NDSU or SDSU every once in a while. **** that.

And to answer smarmy ass Fhawk head, the reason UNDies got in was likely because they sold the eastern schools on being able to save more money by getting to drop a trip West every year, while leveraging their move to the Summit (which was a gimmie, let's be honest) to get those teams on board with their admittance.


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Hope you will be OK, smarmyass clithead. :D

[Thumper 76]

The autobid means nothing. The second place team can get the #1 overall seed in the playoffs. The third place team isn't in it anyway.

From what I previously stated, it forces the West teams into a much harsher schedule than the east, and one extra loss can be the difference between a seed or getting shipped to Montana. So yeah, I'm pretty ****ing pissed.


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[Yote 53]

That doosh isn't affiliated with UNI. That bill is DOA for about 23849238298 reasons. More than one of those being UNI making sure it dies.

Just giving you crap. I have to do that, you know.

[F'N Hawks]

From what I previously stated, it forces the West teams into a much harsher schedule than the east, and one extra loss can be the difference between a seed or getting shipped to Montana. So yeah, I'm pretty ****ing pissed.


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But, as you have seen, the MVFC teams carry a heavy strength of schedule and the ratings that go with it. If a team from the east doesn't play SDSU and NDSU in a year it will be held against them on Selection Saturday. One more win from the weak side team isn't going to bounce a team from the strong side. IMO, anyway.

[Thumper 76]

But, as you have seen, the MVFC teams carry a heavy strength of schedule and the ratings that go with it. If a team from the east doesn't play SDSU and NDSU in a year it will be held against them on Selection Saturday. One more win from the weak side team isn't going to bounce a team from the strong side. IMO, anyway.

Not so sure on the SOS part 100%. I mean, you saw the SOS for SHSU.


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[Yote 53]

Apparently you haven't kept up with this thread? Or any other posts I've made on this topic on other boards?

Oh, but they don't have to do divisions you say?


They might not be called "divisions" but they essentially will be. "But that's not that big of a deal". Actually, it's a huge deal. It will allow eastern teams to get through and achieve higher seeds and be healthier than the western teams. One extra loss can be the difference one way or the other when it comes to seeding. IDGAF about being in the "strong conference", I want to have the conference schedule to be level to maximize the possibility of that happening for everyone. As a fan of a team who gets screwed with the conference schedule like UNI does (every other year @ UNI, ISUr, and NDSU), I'm not a fan of making it tougher on the western teams and easier on the eastern one who get to drop an NDSU or SDSU every once in a while. **** that.

And to answer smarmy ass Fhawk head, the reason UNDies got in was likely because they sold the eastern schools on being able to save more money by getting to drop a trip West every year, while leveraging their move to the Summit (which was a gimmie, let's be honest) to get those teams on board with their admittance.


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I've kept up. I know all those things. I also understand that the quality of teams each school puts on the field can be fluid. Maybe in 5 years the East is the gauntlet and they are complaining about having to go through YSU, ISUr, and SIU and crying that it is unfair. It is what it is, I don't really care. Just looking for the Yotes to play some good ball in a quality conference.

[F'N Hawks]

Not so sure on the SOS part 100%. I mean, you saw the SOS for SHSU.


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They were undefeated and got dropped to a #5 seed. That was pretty telling to me and about as low as the committee could drop them.

Besides, we are talking at-large here. They get pretty in depth with those teams I think.

[Yotes21]

Who knows what the schedules will look like by 2020. Until anyone sees what the schedule or conference alignment will be, it is just complaining. It's funny that some of the stronger football teams fans are the ones complaining the most about this. I have no problem with UND joining.

[IBleedYellow]

I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED I TELL YOU!

I can't believe they would leave the "Best conference footprint for their school" to join their inferior Dakota schools to play in the Summit and Valley Football.

[Bisonator]

What the **** did I miss? When was the addition of UND to the MVFC voted on by the members? Or is this more of the same old **** of UND putting the cart in front of the horse in the media again???xeyebrowx

[clenz]

The autobid means nothing. The second place team can get the #1 overall seed in the playoffs. The third place team isn't in it anyway.
It makes a difference come playoff time if you're schedule leading up to playoffs was

NDSU
SDSU
UNI
USD


vs

ISUb
WIU
ISUr
MSU

[clenz]

It's STILL Faye Reagan
http://i.imgur.com/LVM0Qso.gif

[clenz]

I hope the Redbirds are planning something else. Getting too many schools far removed. NDSU being only school in ND was tolerable given their competitiveness and following. Now going to another school a bit further in same distant marketplace? MVFC footprint was not good and just got worse. Nothing in this addition for any conference member not in ND, SD or IA except additional travel costs (especially if not a Summit member).
This greatly benefits ISUr.....

[Bisonator]

So 2020 huh? This gives NDSU & SDSU 3 years to get their poop in a group and get that B12 invite. :D

[Yotes21]

So 2020 huh? This gives NDSU & SDSU 3 years to get their poop in a group and get that B12 invite. :D

Maybe NDSU is planning to leave for the SEC.

[Yote 53]

Who knows what the schedules will look like by 2020. Until anyone sees what the schedule or conference alignment will be, it is just complaining. It's funny that some of the stronger football teams fans are the ones complaining the most about this. I have no problem with UND joining.

No kidding. As USD fans we already feel like we have to climb the mountain and take down NDSU, UNI, and SDSU every year. If we put a team on the field that can do that they should have no problem with the F'awkers.

[citdog]

http://i.imgur.com/LVM0Qso.gif

'Jew in the bath' is a much better google than 'Jew in the shower'

[IBleedYellow]

No kidding. As USD fans we already feel like we have to climb the mountain and take down NDSU, UNI, and SDSU every year. If we put a team on the field that can do that they should have no problem with the F'awkers.
Are y'all too dense to figure out that SDSU, NDSU, UNI, USD and UND are better football programs on average vs ISUb, ISUr, MSU, WIU or SIU?

Can you seriously not figure out how a team will have to play unbalanced schedules between all of those?

I'll hangup and listen.

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[Redbird007]

This greatly benefits ISUr.....

I am not so caught up in the East vs West division worry as others. The autobid means nothing due to fact that winner of the auto bid would get a high seed without it. If teams believe their in conference schedule is tough then they can schedule lightly out of conference and still have a decent SOS. I really could care less about UND. The fact is the MVFC just added another school in a very low population base that does not do anything for ISU except drive up costs if we have to play them.

Maybe they should make the divisions the MVC and the Summit schools?

[clenz]

I've kept up. I know all those things. I also understand that the quality of teams each school puts on the field can be fluid. Maybe in 5 years the East is the gauntlet and they are complaining about having to go through YSU, ISUr, and SIU and crying that it is unfair. It is what it is, I don't really care. Just looking for the Yotes to play some good ball in a quality conference.
It's possible the east becomes the more challenging division...but....

Outside of Jerry Kill's 3 year through Lennon's second year (about a 6 year stretch where it was "Kill's roster") SIU's all time win percent is about 43%. Even with Kill it's only at 46%. Outside of that run with Kill's roster SIU has won more than 8 games just twice in their history - 1983 and 1930. Kills roster resulted in a winning season every year from 2003-2013. Haven't had one since and had just 26 others all time. They've had twice as many losing seasons as winning seasons outside of Kills time on campus.

Indiana State has an all time winning percent of about 45. Yep. Historically SIU and ISUb are the same program, more or less. Think about that. 50 seasons .500 or worse. 30 seasons over .500. Granted 4 of those since 2010, but how many coaches can they burn through and keep winning. Any coach that figures out how to win there will be plucked away - Miles and Sanford. Anyone else is going to get canned and start the cycle over again. Only three times in their entire history have they won more than 8 games.


Illinois State got hot with Roberson and Coprich. 53 seasons .500 or worse. 43 better than 500. Granted, it's almost every year since 98 they are at least a 6 win team, but other than the two years with Roberson and Coprich they have about 3 other playoff appearances. It looks like only 2 other times have they won more than 8 games. They also have a 46% all time win percentage.

WIU is essentailly the same story as ISUr, but move their success to the early 00s.

We'll see what happens with YSU once Pelini moves on. Cheatervest won big there. They have a good history but have been spotty lately. I suppose they could regain that Bill Narduzi/Cheatervest magic long run.


Being realistic it's much more likely the west has the stronger programs for the foreseeable future.

[F'N Hawks]

No kidding. As USD fans we already feel like we have to climb the mountain and take down NDSU, UNI, and SDSU every year. If we put a team on the field that can do that they should have no problem with the F'awkers.

One of these years USD will be better than UND. It's bound to happen, has to, right? xdrunkyx

[Thumper 76]

Who knows what the schedules will look like by 2020. Until anyone sees what the schedule or conference alignment will be, it is just complaining. It's funny that some of the stronger football teams fans are the ones complaining the most about this. I have no problem with UND joining.
Well as to your who knows what it will be comment, what other way do you see the schedule scheming out other than what has been outlined?

And yeah, the strong teams fans are pissed because we actually get to worry about seeds and playoff positioning xcoffeex



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[Yotes21]

Are y'all too dense to figure out that SDSU, NDSU, UNI, USD and UND are better football programs on average vs ISUb, ISUr, MSU, WIU or SIU?

Can you seriously not figure out how a team will have to play unbalanced schedules between all of those?

I'll hangup and listen.

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I understand. I guess I just have the feeling of win the games you play and everything will be fine. NDSU never loses, so I'm not sure why you have anything to worry about.

[clenz]

Are y'all too dense to figure out that SDSU, NDSU, UNI, USD and UND are better football programs on average vs ISUb, ISUr, MSU, WIU or SIU?

Can you seriously not figure out how a team will have to play unbalanced schedules between all of those?

I'll hangup and listen.

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Bingo.

IDGAF who was added, it was a fringe team that drove the geographic wedge further in to the unbalanced side. IDGAF how good/bad UND is. I don't hate the move simply because it's UND and it's easy to hate them. I hate it because of what it's going to do do scheduling.


I can't wait for UNI to play this conference schedule in 2020

ROAD
NDSU
SDSU
UND
USD

HOME
MSU
WIU
SIU
ISUR

[IndyTreeFan]

I'd have an opinion, but as an ISUB fan, I don't feel entitled to one! All we generally do is screw up other schools' SOS. Maybe someday, this whole thing will be of interest to us. Until then, we are the Cubs fans of the MVFC. Wait 'till next year!!!

[Yotes21]

[QUOTE=Thumper 76;2450956]Well as to your who knows what it will be comment, what other way do you see the schedule scheming out other than what has been outlined?

And yeah, the strong teams fans are pissed because we actually get to worry about seeds and playoff positioning xcoffeex
I don't know, I am not on the scheduling committee. Either way, no one knows who will be good or what the schedule will look like. Either way, SDSTC will lose at NDSU at some point anyways. xcoffeex

[clenz]

I understand. I guess I just have the feeling of win the games you play and everything will be fine. NDSU never loses, so I'm not sure why you have anything to worry about.
Right.

The issue is being geographically forced through NDSU, SDSU, UND, USD, UNI vs ISUb, WIU, SIU, ISUr.

Notice a bit of a difference?

[Thumper 76]

I'd have an opinion, but as an ISUB fan, I don't feel entitled to one! All we generally do is screw up other schools' SOS. Maybe someday, this whole thing will be of interest to us. Until then, we are the Cubs fans of the MVFC. Wait 'till next year!!!

You can have an opinion! Hell we let USeD and MSU fans have one :D


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[IBleedYellow]

I'd have an opinion, but as an ISUB fan, I don't feel entitled to one! All we generally do is screw up other schools' SOS. Maybe someday, this whole thing will be of interest to us. Until then, we are the Cubs fans of the MVFC. Wait 'till next year!!!
You're always entitled to one.

Tell us and join the discussion. I'll keep clenz away from you.

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[Thumper 76]

I don't know, I am not on the scheduling committee. Either way, no one knows who will be good or what the schedule will look like. Either way, SDSTC will lose at NDSU at some point anyways. xcoffeex

Awwww you got better stuff in you than using a school other than your own to smack, I believe in you


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[Thumper 76]

You're always entitled to one.

Tell us and join the discussion. I'll keep clenz away from you.

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Usually that takes a group effort, good luck xlolx


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[Yotes21]

Awwww you got better stuff in you than using a school other than your own to smack, I believe in you


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I don't feel that I need to smack a guy that has no life outside of internet forums.

[clenz]

You're always entitled to one.

Tell us and join the discussion. I'll keep clenz away from you.

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[clenz]

Usually that takes a group effort, good luck xlolx


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[clenz]

Thinking the MVFC/AGS private text message group is blowing up phones right now.....
You stay out of this.

[Thumper 76]

I don't feel that I need to smack a guy that has no life outside of internet forums.

Hey, however you justify your lack of cleverness is completely OK by me. God bless ya for trying.


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[Redbird007]

It's possible the east becomes the more challenging division...but....

Outside of Jerry Kill's 3 year through Lennon's second year (about a 6 year stretch where it was "Kill's roster") SIU's all time win percent is about 43%. Even with Kill it's only at 46%. Outside of that run with Kill's roster SIU has won more than 8 games just twice in their history - 1983 and 1930. Kills roster resulted in a winning season every year from 2003-2013. Haven't had one since and had just 26 others all time. They've had twice as many losing seasons as winning seasons outside of Kills time on campus.

Indiana State has an all time winning percent of about 45. Yep. Historically SIU and ISUb are the same program, more or less. Think about that. 50 seasons .500 or worse. 30 seasons over .500. Granted 4 of those since 2010, but how many coaches can they burn through and keep winning. Any coach that figures out how to win there will be plucked away - Miles and Sanford. Anyone else is going to get canned and start the cycle over again. Only three times in their entire history have they won more than 8 games.


Illinois State got hot with Roberson and Coprich. 53 seasons .500 or worse. 43 better than 500. Granted, it's almost every year since 98 they are at least a 6 win team, but other than the two years with Roberson and Coprich they have about 3 other playoff appearances. It looks like only 2 other times have they won more than 8 games. They also have a 46% all time win percentage.

WIU is essentailly the same story as ISUr, but move their success to the early 00s.

We'll see what happens with YSU once Pelini moves on. Cheatervest won big there. They have a good history but have been spotty lately. I suppose they could regain that Bill Narduzi/Cheatervest magic long run.


Being realistic it's much more likely the west has the stronger programs for the foreseeable future.

What matters is the last 3-5 years or max 10 years. Not certain going back 50 years when some members were div ii makes a lot of sense.

[The Yo Show]

Wow, from the news out of North Dakota, this is apparently legit?

[Yotes21]

One of these years USD will be better than UND. It's bound to happen, has to, right? xdrunkyx

It was a pretty exciting game this year.

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Hey, however you justify your lack of cleverness is completely OK by me. God bless ya for trying.


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I'm not trying, nor will I waste my time on you.

[Thumper 76]

It was a pretty exciting game this year.

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I'm not trying, nor will I waste my time on you.

Your post says that, but you sure seem to like quoting my posts when you come around.


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[citdog]

Usually that takes a group effort, good luck xlolx


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Probably looks a little something like this....


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f6/44/db/f644dbc272af824e95a53f9734fdd140.jpg

[Thumper 76]

Probably looks a little something like this....


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f6/44/db/f644dbc272af824e95a53f9734fdd140.jpg

Someone's mad they aren't in the group txt. xcoffeex


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[clenz]

Someone's mad they aren't in the group txt. xcoffeex


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As a proud German, I can't let him in.

[citdog]

I'm kind of butthurt...not as butthurt as those fellas but butthurt....

xpeacex

[F'N Hawks]

Curb Stomp
Butthurt
Cannibalize
RB's Dying

[Professor Chaos]

Good move from the Summit's perspective for a number of reasons. It gets the conference back to an even number of teams. Travel partners will be easy to do now so they can go back to the Thursday/Saturday schedule for league games.

From the MVFC perspective I don't like it but I'm not nearly as upset about it as most western MVFC fans appear to be. Sure it makes the conference unbalanced but if you're good enough to win a championship you'll be in it no matter how tough your conference schedule is. Just play. I'm more frustrated about how having an odd number of teams in the conference is going to leave one conference team with a bye each week. It would be ideal if the MVFC lost a team, any team, prior to UND joining.

Another interesting side effect is this shifts the balance of power in the MVFC to the Summit League schools since there will now be 6 Summit League football schools in the MVFC and only 5 others (4 MVC and 1 Horizon League).

[clenz]

Good move from the Summit's perspective for a number of reasons. It gets the conference back to an even number of teams. Travel partners will be easy to do now so they can go back to the Thursday/Saturday schedule for league games.

From the MVFC perspective I don't like it but I'm not nearly as upset about it as most western MVFC fans appear to be. Sure it makes the conference unbalanced but if you're good enough to win a championship you'll be in it no matter how tough your conference schedule is. Just play. I'm more frustrated about how having an odd number of teams in the conference is going to leave one conference team with a bye each week. It would be ideal if the MVFC lost a team, any team, prior to UND joining.

Another interesting side effect is this shifts the balance of power in the MVFC to the Summit League schools since there will now be 6 Summit League football schools in the MVFC and only 5 others (4 MVC and 1 Horizon League).
It would be ideal if UND didn't join and we lost one.
It would be ideal if UND did join and we lost 2
It would be ideal if USD never joined to begin with

[Yote84]

[QUOTE=Thumper 76;2450956]Well as to your who knows what it will be comment, what other way do you see the schedule scheming out other than what has been outlined?

And yeah, the strong teams fans are pissed because we actually get to worry about seeds and playoff positioning xcoffeex

I wish the state agriculture school fans would quit putting themselves in the same category as NDSU. The bunnies have won like 4 playoffs games in the 100 year history of their program and been to the playoffs a total of 6 or 7 times in 100 years.

If UND and USD are so ****ty it doesn't matter if they are in your WEST division. They are no different than WIU, SIU, etc for your legendary status teams to beat.

[Yote84]

Welcome UND. I feel like most USD fans are excited your back. The Summit Tourney in Sioux Falls just got a lot more fun in 2019.

[Professor Chaos]

It would be ideal if UND didn't join and we lost one.
It would be ideal if UND did join and we lost 2
It would be ideal if USD never joined to begin with
I don't mind 10 teams. Like I said, it gives an even number that allows for the league schedule to be played for 8 consecutive weeks rather than having to spread it out and give byes. That can create unfair advantages with some teams getting multiple opponents coming off byes and one team having to have a bye week the last week of the year.

That said I'd definitely prefer 9 over 11. I wonder if the Big Sky shot down the idea of UND being an affiliate member for football only? To me, that makes sense for all parties.

[344Johnson]

Welcome UND. I feel like most USD fans are excited your back. The Summit Tourney in Sioux Falls just got a lot more fun in 2019.

Not really. They will send a couple hundred people maybe....if that. That's still during hockey season.

[BisonTru]

For the first time since their Division II days, USD, SDSU, North Dakota and North Dakota State will be in the same conferences.According to a report (https://t.co/3a1J2wmt5n) from the Grand Forks Herald, the University of North Dakota has verbally agreed to join the Summit League in the fall of 2018 for the majority of its athletic programs.
A formal announcement from Summit League commissioner Tom Douple is expected Thursday at a press conference in Grand Forks.

http://www.argusleader.com/story/sports/college/2017/01/24/report-und-join-summit-league-2018-mvfc-2020/97004366/

There you go Clenz. I'm not linking anything to the forum.

[Thumper 76]

I wish the state agriculture school fans would quit putting themselves in the same category as NDSU. The bunnies have won like 4 playoffs games in the 100 year history of their program and been to the playoffs a total of 6 or 7 times in 100 years.

If UND and USD are so ****ty it doesn't matter if they are in your WEST division. They are no different than WIU, SIU, etc for your legendary status teams to beat.

You guys need to figure out the quote function.

Since 1989 USeD has beaten SDSU a whopping 4 times, and hasn't had a win against the Jacks since the year 2000. Oh, and we have been to the playoffs something like 5 years straight, and one of the longest run of consecutive weeks ranked in the top 25 in the country outside of NDSU. Playoff record of 4-7, 7 appearances, total record of 575-457-37. Oh and 6 of our playoff appearances have been in the FCS.

Meanwhile USeD hasn't posted a winning record since entering the MVFC, has no playoff appearances since 2005. A 4-4 playoff record, making the playoffs 4 times total ever, plus a losing record vs every team in conference besides ISUb (come on Trees get it together). Their record overall is 522-517-35, legitimately in danger of falling below .500 without some good seasons. All playoff games were in DII, and only one in since 2000.

So yeah, we're a hell of a lot closer to NDSU than we are to you but nobody has been in their category until this year, so there is that. Y'all just got ranked for the first time in forever for a week or so, while we were ranked in the top ten multiple times. The Yotes have been SDSUs whipping boy for so long I'm surprised you don't call us daddy out of reflex. Have a winning season and we can talk.


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[mmiller_34]

I wish the state agriculture school fans would quit putting themselves in the same category as NDSU. The bunnies have won like 4 playoffs games in the 100 year history of their program and been to the playoffs a total of 6 or 7 times in 100 years.

If UND and USD are so ****ty it doesn't matter if they are in your WEST division. They are no different than WIU, SIU, etc for your legendary status teams to beat.

I don't understand.

[BisonTru]

So how do we do scheduling?

My thoughts. Summit league teams play every year. MVC teams play every year. The other four games are a rotation. YSU is on a rotation of everybody, but they are promised only one away trip to the dakotas per year.

[dbackjon]

Can you take Northern Colorado as well?

[Silenoz]

UND didn't want to go down with this ship? xdrunkyx

[GodHelpTheBears]

If only there were a conference at this level that drew from DFW, Oklahoma, and Arkansas...

[centennial]

Can you take Northern Colorado as well?
Are you okay losing to Missouri State vs making the playoffs in the Big Sky? The Western part of the league needs a doormat.
Also not in our geographic footprint blah blah blah..

[jacksfan29]

[QUOTE=Thumper 76;2450956]Well as to your who knows what it will be comment, what other way do you see the schedule scheming out other than what has been outlined?

And yeah, the strong teams fans are pissed because we actually get to worry about seeds and playoff positioning xcoffeex

I wish the state agriculture school fans would quit putting themselves in the same category as NDSU. The bunnies have won like 4 playoffs games in the 100 year history of their program and been to the playoffs a total of 6 or 7 times in 100 years.

If UND and USD are so ****ty it doesn't matter if they are in your WEST division. They are no different than WIU, SIU, etc for your legendary status teams to beat.

Blah Blah Blah... this really doesn't help USD. Just another team that will jump you in the league standings the day they start playing in the MVFC. I expect UND will be a solid team in conference play. Not sure how the scheduling will work in the MVFC. Maybe we pick up a 12th and split, drop back down to 10 with a loss or the eastern schools stop whining about travel and we see a round robin format that doesn't screw the western schools. Just have to wait and see.

[IBleedYellow]

How can the two USeD posters not figure out what a quote button is... Or how to work it?

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[NDSU1980]

Well, I see UND is following in NDSU's dust. Some are leaders and some are nothing but followers.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

It's possible the east becomes the more challenging division...but....

Outside of Jerry Kill's 3 year through Lennon's second year (about a 6 year stretch where it was "Kill's roster") SIU's all time win percent is about 43%. Even with Kill it's only at 46%. Outside of that run with Kill's roster SIU has won more than 8 games just twice in their history - 1983 and 1930. Kills roster resulted in a winning season every year from 2003-2013. Haven't had one since and had just 26 others all time. They've had twice as many losing seasons as winning seasons outside of Kills time on campus.

Indiana State has an all time winning percent of about 45. Yep. Historically SIU and ISUb are the same program, more or less. Think about that. 50 seasons .500 or worse. 30 seasons over .500. Granted 4 of those since 2010, but how many coaches can they burn through and keep winning. Any coach that figures out how to win there will be plucked away - Miles and Sanford. Anyone else is going to get canned and start the cycle over again. Only three times in their entire history have they won more than 8 games.


Illinois State got hot with Roberson and Coprich. 53 seasons .500 or worse. 43 better than 500. Granted, it's almost every year since 98 they are at least a 6 win team, but other than the two years with Roberson and Coprich they have about 3 other playoff appearances. It looks like only 2 other times have they won more than 8 games. They also have a 46% all time win percentage.

WIU is essentailly the same story as ISUr, but move their success to the early 00s.

We'll see what happens with YSU once Pelini moves on. Cheatervest won big there. They have a good history but have been spotty lately. I suppose they could regain that Bill Narduzi/Cheatervest magic long run.


Being realistic it's much more likely the west has the stronger programs for the foreseeable future.







Dammit clenz...xpissedx........xlolx.....I was already to post something on how things go in "cycles" and that the western teams will more than likely have down years and the eastern teams might ascend to the upper top of the Valley and then you post this.

After reading it I realized that once mediocre then probably always going to be mediocre with a flash in the sky once in awhile. Those eastern teams (YSU an exception with their title pedigree) have been piss poor teams most of their history and definitely will benefit from an unbalanced schedule...if there is one.

It will be interesting to see the Valley schedule in '20....xeyebrowx

[Yotes21]

You guys need to figure out the quote function.

Since 1989 USeD has beaten SDSU a whopping 4 times, and hasn't had a win against the Jacks since the year 2000. Oh, and we have been to the playoffs something like 5 years straight, and one of the longest run of consecutive weeks ranked in the top 25 in the country outside of NDSU. Playoff record of 4-7, 7 appearances, total record of 575-457-37. Oh and 6 of our playoff appearances have been in the FCS.

Meanwhile USeD hasn't posted a winning record since entering the MVFC, has no playoff appearances since 2005. A 4-4 playoff record, making the playoffs 4 times total ever, plus a losing record vs every team in conference besides ISUb (come on Trees get it together). Their record overall is 522-517-35, legitimately in danger of falling below .500 without some good seasons. All playoff games were in DII, and only one in since 2000.

So yeah, we're a hell of a lot closer to NDSU than we are to you but nobody has been in their category until this year, so there is that. Y'all just got ranked for the first time in forever for a week or so, while we were ranked in the top ten multiple times. The Yotes have been SDSUs whipping boy for so long I'm surprised you don't call us daddy out of reflex. Have a winning season and we can talk.


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True other than the daddy part xeyebrowx. USD had a tough start in D1 and at the end of the NCC days in football for sure. At least we are competing consistently and look to have a good couple recruiting classes with the new staff. Hopefully we can break into the playoffs and be contenders every year like both NDSU and SDSU. I'm looking forward to keep playing in the best FCS conference in the nation.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

True other than the daddy part xeyebrowx. USD had a tough start in D1 and at the end of the NCC days in football for sure. At least we are competing consistently and look to have a good couple recruiting classes with the new staff. Hopefully we can break into the playoffs and be contenders every year like both NDSU and SDSU. I'm looking forward to keep playing in the best FCS conference in the nation.




Every year?

xeyebrowx

We'll see....

[F'N Hawks]

Well, I see UND is following in NDSU's dust. Some are leaders and some are nothing but followers.

Feel better? Cool.

[clenz]

7 votes needed

[cx500d]

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/4204979-sources-und-set-leave-big-sky-conference

There we go. Quicker than I thought (that's what she said).

Welcome back to the NCC!


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[GodHelpTheBears]

7 votes needed

Count on a yes from us, since our administration is a bunch of lightweight pushover ol' boys with no standards or vision.

[centennial]

The biggest problem I have with this move is not that we are adding a team, but that they are UND. They can rot anywhere else for all I care. Must keep up with Moo U, huh?
I don't even understand all the excitement from UND posters. Going into a quasi FBS league, our mid level teams take out/ compete with FBS teams. Going to be hard pressed to stay above USD. There is YSU, Illinois State, SDSU, UNI clogging up the middle. Hard bunch to win against to get any seed in the playoffs.

[F'N Hawks]

The biggest problem I have with this move is not that we are adding a team, but that they are UND. They can rot anywhere else for all I care. Must keep up with Moo U, huh?
I don't even understand all the excitement from UND posters. Going into a quasi FBS league, our mid level teams take out/ compete with FBS teams. Going to be hard pressed to stay above USD. There is YSU, Illinois State, SDSU, UNI clogging up the middle. Hard bunch to win against to get any seed in the playoffs.

Wasn't much rotting going on lately in any sports.

[centennial]

Wasn't much rotting going on lately in any sports.
Don't care, as long as you aren't in the same league as NDSU.

[GodHelpTheBears]

Adding a team 12 and a half hours away, in a conference we can't compete in, in a sport that no one seems to care about here.

Why do we even bother with football? Serious question.

[F'N Hawks]

Don't care, as long as you aren't in the same league as NDSU.

Sorry to break it to ya but.....

[centennial]

Adding a team 12 and a half hours away, in a conference we can't compete in, in a sport that no one seems to care about here.

Why do we even bother with football? Serious question.

Stec showed some improvement by the end of the year. Are y'all getting any transfers this year? What are the biggest holes?

[GodHelpTheBears]

Stec showed some improvement by the end of the year. Are y'all getting any transfers this year? What are the biggest holes?

I disagree - we looked God awful in November. The defense completely gave out after NDSU - the lowest point total we allowed after was 35.

We're bringing in a "Cowboy back" from Oklahoma State, a former Mizzou walk on QB, and a JUCO QB we beat Alabama A&M and Delaware State for.

Holes include the offensive line, QB, RB to some extent, the offensive line, the interior defensive line, the offensive line, the DBs are still a question mark, and did I mention I have no faith whatsoever in our offensive line?

Our line play, with the exception of Colby Isbell, is suspect at best. I think it will be so bad that we take a step back this year. ISUb is the only game I feel good about at the moment (though we don't know who our third non-con will be - we have Mizzou and the new guys, both on the road).

[BisonTru]

I'm fine with the UND move. It makes a ton of sense for NDSU outside of the butthurt that's grown from some of the petty **** UND has pulled the past 10+ years. Really voting against this would just be pulling the same dumb stuff UND did. Time for big brother to act like a big brother. xnodx

For UND this is a no brainer. Why it took them this long to realize it, is beyond me. It's going to save them a ton in travel for all sports. Plus a guaranteed sell out at least every other year in football. Natural rivalries.

For the SD schools, I think it also makes a ton of sense. I'm not buying the west being way tougher than the east. First off, YSU just went to the championship, but Illinois State was there two years ago. The MVFC is just tough across the board. I also don't think more than two dakota schools at a time will be really in the national title discussion. Too many teams fighting for the same recruits.

Bring on the Hawkeys.

[Bisonator]

Current MVFC members and how they would probably vote:

YSU - Nay
ISUb - Nay
ISUr - Nay
SIU - Nay
UNI - Nay
MSU - Nay
WIU - Yay
USD - Yay
SDSU - Yay
NDSU - Yay

UND still has a hurdle to clear unless there is some exceptions or bargaining being done. I just don't see what benefit adding UND would be to those other 6 schools. There has to be more to the story. Only thing that makes sense is 1 or more current members are leaving? Or another school is joining with UND to form 2 divisions?

[Bisonoline]

Current MVFC members and how they would probably vote:

YSU - Nay
ISUb - Nay
ISUr - Nay
SIU - Nay
UNI - Nay
MSU - Nay
WIU - Yay
USD - Yay
SDSU - Yay
NDSU - Yay

UND still has a hurdle to clear unless there is some exceptions or bargaining being done. I just don't see what benefit adding UND would be to those other 6 schools. There has to be more to the story. Only thing that makes sense is 1 or more current members are leaving? Or another school is joining with UND to form 2 divisions?

I would think they already have the votes to make that announcement.

[clenz]

Patty apparently did all her communications via a state issued device. Thus FOIA.

I have a feeling that means schools that would have voted no if it would have been private likely capitulated to avoid political backlash. P

[Bisonator]

Patty apparently did all her communications via a state issued device. Thus FOIA.

I have a feeling that means schools that would have voted no if it would have been private likely capitulated to avoid political backlash. P
Who would that have been though? What would there be to gain? The only no votes would have been YSU or MVC schools. What political backlash would they have experienced? Guess I'm not following the logic.

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I would think they already have the votes to make that announcement.
Yeah I'm trying to figure out how and why.

[F'N Hawks]

Current MVFC members and how they would probably vote:

YSU - Nay
ISUb - Nay
ISUr - Nay
SIU - Nay
UNI - Nay
MSU - Nay
WIU - Yay
USD - Yay
SDSU - Yay
NDSU - Yay

UND still has a hurdle to clear unless there is some exceptions or bargaining being done. I just don't see what benefit adding UND would be to those other 6 schools. There has to be more to the story. Only thing that makes sense is 1 or more current members are leaving? Or another school is joining with UND to form 2 divisions?

Yah. They let the cat out of the bag but haven't talked amongst themselves and taken a straw poll or anything.

Barring some unforeseen event, like a President or two going rogue and refusing to vote for it, I don't see what would change tomorrow. Even if they did, will anybody know what actually goes down or what is said?

[BisonFan02]

Adding a team 12 and a half hours away, in a conference we can't compete in, in a sport that no one seems to care about here.

Why do we even bother with football? Serious question.

I don't know.

#SummitLeagueFootball

[clenz]

Yah. They let the cat out of the bag but haven't talked amongst themselves and taken a straw poll or anything.

Barring some unforeseen event, like a President or two going rogue and refusing to vote for it, I don't see what would change tomorrow. Even if they did, will anybody know what actually goes down or what is said?

Uni doesn't have a president right now. There's a potential abstain.

It's possible a school like ISUr, msu or siu votes no because what do they give a **** about und for?

[Bisonoline]

Who would that have been though? What would there be to gain? The only no votes would have been YSU or MVC schools. What political backlash would they have experienced? Guess I'm not following the logic.

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Yeah I'm trying to figure out how and why.

Im lost on that one as well. Patty said they werent interested and a they have financial issues. Plus when UND comes in the league they will need to have another team to balance out the schedule. But then thats really not a problem as we dont play everyone in the conference now.

[GodHelpTheBears]

I don't know.

#SummitLeagueFootball

We need a "come to Jesus" moment at MSU concerning football, need to know where everyone stands and have it out in the open.

Why charter flights to Manitoba if we're going to keep underfunding the program and winning 1-4 games every year? I cannot imagine our program ever making the postseason in a MVFC West. At some point, a conversation has to be had.

[centennial]

We need a "come to Jesus" moment at MSU concerning football, need to know where everyone stands and have it out in the open.

Why charter flights to Manitoba if we're going to keep underfunding the program and winning 1-4 games every year? I cannot imagine our program ever making the postseason in a MVFC West. At some point, a conversation has to be had.
Just want to point out- http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

You have plenty of money floating around. Waaay more than WIU, or South Dakota. Even for just the Missouri Valley it's not bad. Does MSU have a high cost sport that would cost it to bleed money? And the 270k that you are paying Stec is at least average for the MVFC.

[GodHelpTheBears]

Just want to point out- http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

You have plenty of money floating around. Waaay more than WIU, or South Dakota. Even for just the Missouri Valley it's not bad. Does MSU have a high cost sport that would cost it to bleed money? And the 270k that you are paying Stec is at least average for the MVFC.

That doesn't explain MSU's attitude toward football. At every point in our history, football was the necessary afterthought to advance the causes of our basketball programs.

You see it in how we handled the Terry Allen situation. We left Stec a smoldering heap because our admins decided to just let Allen's contract run out. It killed what recruiting we had for no reason - Allen had already been around for 7-8 years and had accomplished nothing. His buyout going into 2014 was just $109,000, and no one came up with the money...or no one wanted to.

We play in a WPA stadium that received two renovations over its life time - the most recent was funded entirely by the student body. Our guys have to practice in the stadium - there is no dedicated practice facility, let alone an indoor practice facility, something even area D-II programs like Pittsburg State have.

For years, we scheduled two FBS buy games for the money. That may happen again this year - our odd schedule alignment makes it possible for a FBS program in need of November filler to schedule us, which would leave us with only four home games.

MSU is below .500 all time in football, much of which was played in the MIAA. Our most successful coach retired in 1933. In the last 25 years, our head coaches included Bill Snyder's right-hand man, the two winningest coaches in the history of the Gateway/Valley, and now Gary Pinkel's right-hand man with no playoff appearances and a small handful of winning seasons between them all. In that time, the Gateway/Valley grew from a generally average I-AA conference to a conference whose top teams regularly beat Big Ten and Big 12 programs.

MSU has no big name donors now that John Q. Hammons has passed away (not that he ever did anything for football, but still...). We'd need an eight figure investment throughout the entire program to compete in this conference. Is that worth it? It's worth asking.

[SU19]

As far as the Valley is concerned, this is clearly bad for the conference. Even though it does make sense, I don't like them joining the Summit League either. Their fans are mainly arrogant, niche-sport lovers, and won't bring anything to the sports schools actually participate in. Also, I hate the argument that it renews some sort of 'rivalry'. I'm a student at NDSU, and trust me; there is no rivalry. People here consider SDSU our main rival, and for good reason.

[citdog]

I hate the argument that it renews some sort of 'rivalry'. I'm a student at NDSU, and trust me; there is no rivalry. People here consider SDSU our main rival, and for good reason.


That could change after the first time they win one in Fargo.

[mmiller_34]

That could change after the first time they win one in Fargo.

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[barnwintersportsengelstad]

It's all about location.
I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED I TELL YOU!

I can't believe they would leave the "Best conference footprint for their school" to join their inferior Dakota schools to play in the Summit and Valley Football.

[TheKingpin28]

That could change after the first time they win one in Fargo.

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[barnwintersportsengelstad]

I hear you, we will try and do the same. It's going to be great.
No kidding. As USD fans we already feel like we have to climb the mountain and take down NDSU, UNI, and SDSU every year. If we put a team on the field that can do that they should have no problem with the F'awkers.

[Southern Bison]

Let's see if the AD & football leadership has the balls to put the Nickel Trophy back up for grabs...

We'll change the indian head side over to the chicken hawk.

(Cue Mr. Chicken in 3...2...1...)

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[barnwintersportsengelstad]

I understand. I guess I just have the feeling of win the games you play and everything will be fine. NDSU never loses, so I'm not sure why you have anything to worry about. You guy beat then a year ago. In fact in the last 17 months both you SD's and Montana beat them, they also just barely won a few very close games. JM physically beat them in December. It's going to be fun. Look forward to seeing you in Vermillion.

[barnwintersportsengelstad]

Not really. They will send a couple hundred people maybe....if that. That's still during hockey season. That depends if there is home hockey games.

[Thumper 76]

Gotta love the xDSUs always having to help out the UxDs cause they couldn't handle their own **** in the first place.


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[Bisonoline]

Gotta love the xDSUs always having to help out the UxDs cause they couldn't handle their own **** in the first place.


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It looks that way but they will put up a fight saying it aint so.

[F'N Hawks]

Gotta love the xDSUs always having to help out the UxDs cause they couldn't handle their own **** in the first place.


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Let it out.....Got three more years, though, pace yourself.

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[Gil Dobie]

Let's see if the AD & football leadership has the balls to put the Nickel Trophy back up for grabs...

We'll change the indian head side over to the chicken hawk.

(Cue Mr. Chicken in 3...2...1...)

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Could just play for a North Dakota quarter with the Bison on the back.

[TheRevSFA]

As far as the Valley is concerned, this is clearly bad for the conference. Even though it does make sense, I don't like them joining the Summit League either. Their fans are mainly arrogant, niche-sport lovers, and won't bring anything to the sports schools actually participate in. Also, I hate the argument that it renews some sort of 'rivalry'. I'm a student at NDSU, and trust me; there is no rivalry. People here consider SDSU our main rival, and for good reason.

SDSU is a bigger rival? You have shirts that say "Jackrabbits Suck ****"?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

As far as the Valley is concerned, this is clearly bad for the conference. Even though it does make sense, I don't like them joining the Summit League either. Their fans are mainly arrogant, niche-sport lovers, and won't bring anything to the sports schools actually participate in. Also, I hate the argument that it renews some sort of 'rivalry'. I'm a student at NDSU, and trust me; there is no rivalry. People here consider SDSU our main rival, and for good reason.


xlolx

Sorry junior, that is not even close to being true.

UND is a rival and always will be.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

This is good for the Summit and probably good for the Valley in the long run.

To bad the Bison have only played UND once since '03, they would be on a 13 game win streak...xnodx

[clenz]

xlolx

Sorry junior, that is not even close to being true.

UND is a rival and always will be.
Kind of like how NDSU fans insist that UNI is a rival, yet 95% of UNI fans would consider SIU, MSU and ISUr our rivals all a head of NDSU in terms of meeting the definition of "rival"

[abc123]

Let's see if the AD & football leadership has the balls to put the Nickel Trophy back up for grabs...

We'll change the indian head side over to the chicken hawk.

(Cue Mr. Chicken in 3...2...1...)

Considering that the NCAA forced the retirement of the trophy in the nickname settlement, I guess I'm not exactly sure how they could use it again. But I'm sure that minor fact won't stop all the whining coming out of Fargo on why it isn't being played for.




Gotta love the xDSUs always having to help out the UxDs cause they couldn't handle their own **** in the first place.

UND did the only thing it could to protect football in 2010. For whatever unknown reason, the MVFC has done a 180 on their stance and is open to taking another team. It makes financial and geographical sense for UND, again they are doing what is best for their athletic department. The XDSU's are 2 votes out of 10 in the MVFC, they can't approve or block anything on their own. As for the Summit, it makes a ton of sense to get to 10, but again, UND wasn't going to leave football on an island and the Big Sky had no interest in another football only affiliate.

[IBleedYellow]

We all know that the Nickel won't ever be played for again.

[Laker]

Considering that the NCAA forced the retirement of the trophy in the nickname settlement, I guess I'm not exactly sure how they could use it again. But I'm sure that minor fact won't stop all the whining coming out of Fargo on why it isn't being played for.

Get a relay baton from the track team and call it the Pipeline Trophy. That will get people talking.

[ST_Lawson]

Our guys have to practice in the stadium - there is no dedicated practice facility, let alone an indoor practice facility, something even area D-II programs like Pittsburg State have.

What's a dedicated practice facility? We've got a couple of extra big rectangles of shaggy grass that the guys sometimes use in the summer....is that what you mean? ;)

[abc123]

We all know that the Nickel won't ever be played for again.
You severely underestimate the knowledge of the average fan.

[Bisonator]

Considering that the NCAA forced the retirement of the trophy in the nickname settlement, I guess I'm not exactly sure how they could use it again. But I'm sure that minor fact won't stop all the whining coming out of Fargo on why it isn't being played for.




UND did the only thing it could to protect football in 2010. For whatever unknown reason, the MVFC has done a 180 on their stance and is open to taking another team. It makes financial and geographical sense for UND, again they are doing what is best for their athletic department. The XDSU's are 2 votes out of 10 in the MVFC, they can't approve or block anything on their own. As for the Summit, it makes a ton of sense to get to 10, but again, UND wasn't going to leave football on an island and the Big Sky had no interest in another football only affiliate.
Please post the text from the settlement agreement that proves this fact.

There is nothing from the NCAA that would pertain to the Nickel trophy. Absolutely nothing. The whole nickname controversy was related to post season play and NCAA regulations pertaining to such it had nothing at all to do with regular season games or a rivalry trophy.

[Southern Bison]

You severely underestimate the knowledge of the average fan.
Obviously you're a Whouix grad and a special kind of stupid...we just won't let the dip****s who ruined the rivalry who is to blame.

Cue the GF Herald op-ed from 2003...

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[centennial]

xlolx

Sorry junior, that is not even close to being true.

UND is a rival and always will be.
I graduated from NDSU in 2008-9, neither was UND a rival to my class. I mean yeah, I heard the chant a few times, and there was general dislike of UND. However, hate to break it to you the alumni haven't considered them rivals since for 10+ years at the very least. SDSU is probably considered the biggest rival followed by UNI in football, especially for kids that don't have parents that went to NDSU.

[F'N Hawks]

Obviously you're a Whouix grad and a special kind of stupid...we just won't let the dip****s who ruined the rivalry who is to blame.

Cue the GF Herald op-ed from 2003...

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Horton Hears A Hoo? Or is it Who? Whew.

[Southern Bison]

Horton Hears A Hoo? Or is it Who? Whew.
Oh good...the short yellow bus has arrived. Did your mom remember your helmet?

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[F'N Hawks]

Oh good...the short yellow bus has arrived. Did your mom remember your helmet?

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Using handicapped people as a punch line. Nice touch.

[nodak651]

I graduated from NDSU in 2008-9, neither was UND a rival to my class. I mean yeah, I heard the chant a few times, and there was general dislike of UND. However, hate to break it to you the alumni haven't considered them rivals since for 10+ years at the very least. SDSU is probably considered the biggest rival followed by UNI in football, especially for kids that don't have parents that went to NDSU.

So why was your non conference football game vs und the most expensive ticket of the year?

[Bisonator]

So why was your non conference football game vs und the most expensive ticket of the year?
Wouldn't you think the sheer proximity to both schools would increase demand for those tickets? It had little to do with the rivalry.

[geaux_sioux]

Wouldn't you think the sheer proximity to both schools would increase demand for those tickets? It had little to do with the rivalry.
Special issue of Bison Illustrated also had nothing to do with a rivalry either.

[abc123]

Please post the text from the settlement agreement that proves this fact.

There is nothing from the NCAA that would pertain to the Nickel trophy. Absolutely nothing. The whole nickname controversy was related to post season play and NCAA regulations pertaining to such it had nothing at all to do with regular season games or a rivalry trophy.
The settlement and addendum required UND to receive namesake approval to continue to use the nickname and related Native American imagery. Absent that approval, there were exceptions on what could continue to be displayed in historical significance at UND owned facilities along with the REA and BESC. The Nickel trophy would fall under trophies which is listed in Schedule A under Category 1: Items of Historical Significant; Section A of the settlement agreement since it has Native American imagery on it. That exception allows UND only to display it. Playing for the Nickel would seem to constitute actively using it, which UND cannot do because they did not receiving namesake approval.

Maybe the NCAA wouldn't care at this point because they already won the war, but I don't see UND looking at trying to get another addendum to get an exception and even good old Gene Taylor stated it wouldn't be appropriate:



“Based on what is on one side of the Nickel, I’m not sure it’s appropriate anymore,” he said.

Taylor was referring to the image of a Native American on one side of the trophy. Just like the five-cent piece, the Nickel trophy has an image of a Native American on one side and a Bison on the other. Without tribal approval, usage of Native American nicknames and images receive sanctions from the NCAA.

[Bisonator]

The settlement and addendum required UND to receive namesake approval to continue to use the nickname and related Native American imagery. Absent that approval, there were exceptions on what could continue to be displayed in historical significance at UND owned facilities along with the REA and BESC. The Nickel trophy would fall under trophies which is listed in Schedule A under Category 1: Items of Historical Significant; Section A of the settlement agreement since it has Native American imagery on it. That exception allows UND only to display it. Playing for the Nickel would seem to constitute actively using it, which UND cannot do because they did not receiving namesake approval.

Maybe the NCAA wouldn't care at this point because they already won the war, but I don't see UND looking at trying to get another addendum to get an exception and even good old Gene Taylor stated it wouldn't be appropriate:
Again none of it had anything to do with regular season games. It all revolved around post season play. End of story.

[Noryan34]

The real shame with UND is amount of money taxpayers need to pay into that University to keep it afloat. In the last round didn't they receive something like $200m more than NDSU. Shame. And the rivalry exists for a lot of people I know. Yes, a lot of them are older, but have you been to any of the games? Most of the crowd is 35+ and they almost all remember the rivalry.

Only reason nickel trophy isn't up for discussion is because UND knows they have no chance at getting it back right now. Once/if they become competitive with NDSU, I bet they put it on the table for discussion. Until then they will hang onto it and pretend it doesn't matter anymore. If you all say it doesn't matter then why keep it? Put it back into play, but they won't.

[Bisonator]

I don't really care if the Nickel is ever played for again but I do think UND should do the right thing and either display it on campus or donate it to the Heritage Museum so everyone can see it. Makes no sense to keep it stuffed in a closet somewhere.

[Southern Bison]

I don't really care if the Nickel is ever played for again but I do think UND should do the right thing and either display it on campus or donate it to the Heritage Museum so everyone can see it. Makes no sense to keep it stuffed in a closet somewhere.
According to an article leading up to the '16 game, it is hidden in an Athletic Department employee's garage at their house.

Pathetic...

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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Kind of like how NDSU fans insist that UNI is a rival, yet 95% of UNI fans would consider SIU, MSU and ISUr our rivals all a head of NDSU in terms of meeting the definition of "rival"


UNI is turning into a rival.

NDSU has 3 right now: UND - UNI - SDSU

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I graduated from NDSU in 2008-9, neither was UND a rival to my class. I mean yeah, I heard the chant a few times, and there was general dislike of UND. However, hate to break it to you the alumni haven't considered them rivals since for 10+ years at the very least. SDSU is probably considered the biggest rival followed by UNI in football, especially for kids that don't have parents that went to NDSU.


For you sure, but UND is a rival and to deny that is stupid. I graduated from NDSU in '92 and UND was the "rival". UNI and SDSU are getting to be good rivals but UND is the historic rival and now is in the same conference. Now they are the main rival again.

[clenz]

UNI is turning into a rival.

NDSU has 3 right now: UND - UNI - SDSU
For NDSU fans maybe.

UNI fans consider it a "heated game" but our rivals are SIU and then a big drop off to MSU and then a bigger one to ISUr

[kdinva]

Don't care, as long as you aren't in the same league as NDSU.

to me, it makes sense for NDSU and UND to be in the same conference..........Imagine UVa moving to the Mountain West..... xdrunkyx

[IBleedYellow]

For NDSU fans maybe.

UNI fans consider it a "heated game" but our rivals are SIU and then a big drop off to MSU and then a bigger one to ISUr

All you have to do is talk with anyone that's a UNI fan and they HATE NDSU....

It's budding into a rivalry, despite what you want to think, Clenz.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

For NDSU fans maybe.

UNI fans consider it a "heated game" but our rivals are SIU and then a big drop off to MSU and then a bigger one to ISUr


For football they are rivals but with no other teams playing in the same conference then I would agree that overall they are probably not looked at as rivals by UNI fans but football for sure IMO.

[BisonTru]

The Nickel isn't coming back EVER.

UND sucks
UNI sucks
SDSU sucks

In no particular order

[jacksfan29]

For you sure, but UND is a rival and to deny that is stupid. I graduated from NDSU in '92 and UND was the "rival". UNI and SDSU are getting to be good rivals but UND is the historic rival and now is in the same conference. Now they are the main rival again.

I think it will be interesting to see if the rivalry has lost some luster. The SDSU USD rivalry was brought back when USD joined the SLC and MVFC. It does not have the same amount passion it once did. Our younger fan base will turn out in droves for an NDSU game. Not so much for USD. USD are definitely a rival but it is not at the same level it was in the early 90s when I was at SDSU.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I think it will be interesting to see if the rivalry has lost some luster. The SDSU USD rivalry was brought back when USD joined the SLC and MVFC. It does not have the same amount passion it once did. Our younger fan base will turn out in droves for an NDSU game. Not so much for USD. USD are definitely a rival but it is not at the same level it was in the early 90s when I was at SDSU.

I think if USD starts winning some football games it will come back full force.

SDSU/NDSU is becoming a good one not just in football. BB and wrestling are getting pretty good.

When both teams win it gets going in a hurry.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

The Nickel isn't coming back EVER.

UND sucks
UNI sucks
SDSU sucks

In no particular order


Generally, I agree. I love it when we beat UNI and SDSU but I really love to stomp the **** out of UND....put your foot on their throat and crush them....:D

Maybe because I grew up watching NDSU crush UND every year in football (80s) then watching the slow bleed from the NDSU program in the late 90s and 2000s.....having UND fans as friends (ya, I tolerate them....xlolx) it is sure fun to rub it in when they lose...xthumbsupx

[dewey]

Generally, I agree. I love it when we beat UNI and SDSU but I really love to stomp the **** out of UND....put your foot on their throat and crush them....:D

Maybe because I grew up watching NDSU crush UND every year in football (80s) then watching the slow bleed from the NDSU program in the late 90s and 2000s.....having UND fans as friends (ya, I tolerate them....xlolx) it is sure fun to rub it in when they lose...xthumbsupx

All parts of this right here^^^^

Dewey

[Thumper 76]

The more I think about this the more of a son deal I think this is. The Summit League schools will vote yes I'm sure, they want that tenth team to even out league scheduling. The easier sell is actually the eastern schools. Sure they get to drop a Western school right now, but that only saves you the trip every other year. If you add UND with the same stipulation that it only happens if it doesn't add a trip West for the East schools, that means you get to drop two West schools and could actually save them money. Plus, you get the opportunity to drop off games against NDSU SDSU and UNI? So you will be less beat up come playoff time, you get to have an easier run to a seed and the conference title, while getting to still be an MVFC team? If I'm YSU, ISUr, and others I can't jump on that fast enough.


Sure I'm on board with the you have to beat who is in front of you, if your a championship team you'll win, blah blah blah. However, if your half of the conference is much tougher you end up with a much more beat up team. Look at what happened to NDSU this year when they had their OOC as tough as it was plus the Valley schedule. That ends up being a disadvantage at some point.


Now should it come out that UND being added is basically replacing a team cause of a team moving to a different conference (I haven't seen or heard anything that supports that) then I'm 100% ok with it. If it turns out that they are also going to add a team in the East, then it's going to be even worse because there are not high end teams that would be considered that I can think of. EIU probably would be the best one, and they are weak as hell. And the argument of a lot can change who knows what the football landscape will look like in 2020 is a garbage argument tbh. If something massive did happen UND will still be there and still would want in due to travel reasons.


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[clenz]

Adding an east team doesn't fix the geography split. It makes it easier to justify a geographic schedule split. Meaning one more game against a western school is dropped

[Thumper 76]

Adding an east team doesn't fix the geography split. It makes it easier to justify a geographic schedule split. Meaning one more game against a western school is dropped

Not saying it fixes it, I'm saying getting to drop two west schools won't be a negative at all for the East schools. It's bad for the West schools from a schedule perspective, but if the Summit thing is contingent on the MVFC, I bet the Summit schools value having a tenth Summit member more than getting screwed on conference imbalance. We can hate it all we want but it's going to happen.


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[Bisonoline]

As far as the Valley is concerned, this is clearly bad for the conference. Even though it does make sense, I don't like them joining the Summit League either. Their fans are mainly arrogant, niche-sport lovers, and won't bring anything to the sports schools actually participate in. Also, I hate the argument that it renews some sort of 'rivalry'. I'm a student at NDSU, and trust me; there is no rivalry. People here consider SDSU our main rival, and for good reason.

xlmaoxxlmaox

[Bisonoline]

Kind of like how NDSU fans insist that UNI is a rival, yet 95% of UNI fans would consider SIU, MSU and ISUr our rivals all a head of NDSU in terms of meeting the definition of "rival"

UNI has been more of football rivalry that many fans dont know about. But the Teams know about it. Stan Sherriff hated us.