Pro/Con........Public School Sports/Homeschooled Students

[jstate83]

I saw on the news the other day about some families trying to sue a school district to let their HOMESCHOOLED KIDS participate on PUBLIC SCHOOL SPORTS TEAMS.

Where this is happening I can't remember right now, but I want to know what do ya'll think on this issue.

With me:

Pro:.....................Kid's are kids.
Even though they are homeschooled, they still live in the community and probably know most of the kids on these teams so what's the harm.


CON:....................If you don't want to be a part of the public school system, then you SHOULD NOT BE ABLE to take advantage of the programs offered there.
In other words, if you want to be part of the " X Highschool Football Team", then you SHOULD BE ENROLLED IN "X HIGHSCHOOL" following the guidlines of the athletic programs AND the academic programs like every other athelete enrolled at "X Highschool".


I guess I'm on the side of Against letting this happen.
What's your take?

[AZGrizFan]

I saw on the news the other day about some families trying to sue a school district to let their HOMESCHOOLED KIDS participate on PUBLIC SCHOOL SPORTS TEAMS.

Where this is happening I can't remember right now, but I want to know what do ya'll think on this issue.

With me:

Pro:.....................Kid's are kids.
Even though they are homeschooled, they still live in the community and probably know most of the kids on these teams so what's the harm.


CON:....................If you don't want to be a part of the public school system, then you SHOULD NOT BE ABLE to take advantage of the programs offered there.
In other words, if you want to be part of the " X Highschool Football Team", then you SHOULD BE ENROLLED IN "X HIGHSCHOOL" following the guidlines of the athletic programs AND the academic programs like every other athelete enrolled at "X Highschool".


I guess I'm on the side of Against letting this happen.
What's your take?

I stand firmly in the CON column. We've got several homeschooled/academy schooled kids in our area (buncha fuggin snobs), and their kids are allowed to take spots on the school athletic teams....that's complete BS in my opinion, for the EXACT reason you stated above, 83. If the school isn't good enough for you, then the athletic teams shouldn't be either. Unfortunately, our school district doesn't see it that way. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[BigApp]

I'm not quite sure which side is right. The parents are paying the taxes (and the interest on all those bonds) to support the schools and their athletic teams' competitions, but they aren't students of the school system.

[jstate83]

I stand firmly in the CON column. We've got several homeschooled/academy schooled kids in our area (buncha fuggin snobs), and their kids are allowed to take spots on the school athletic teams....that's complete BS in my opinion, for the EXACT reason you stated above, 83. If the school isn't good enough for you, then the athletic teams shouldn't be either. Unfortunately, our school district doesn't see it that way. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Yep.
Down here, they keep this completely seperate for those reasons.
I feel sorry for the kids cause they really just have to do what their parent's tell them to do, but that's the way it is.

Some parent's here were getting into this subject on their homescholled kids and the school district's here said no.

Around here, it has taken the last 5 years just to come up with a plan to allow PRIVATE SCHOOL -vs- PUBLIC SCHOOL sporting events.

They did this on a limited basis here about 4 years ago.
The games went off well but legal issues and scheduling made them shut it down until next year.

They came up with a basic plan that you just can't jump from the private school or public school ranks to schedule games.
They said schools from the private and public sector had to exhaust all their options to schedule a team from their own classes FIRST.

If they can't find one, then they could schedule each other or do this in the case of emergency scheduling.

I went to a game the first time they did this 4 years ago against the Kings of Private School Football here Jackson Prep and a compariable size 3A Stone County Highschool.

It was not pretty for Prep.
Stone County, a middle of the pack 3A highschool cleaned their clocks.

This past season, the Starting QB at Prep transferred to Madison Central because he wanted to get used to the size and speed of big time football at Mississippi's highest class 5A.

[89Hen]

I don't like it. Wouldn't this be akin to going to a private school but playing for your public school or vice versa? Not a good precident IMO.

[AZGrizFan]

Most of the private schools here kick ASS on much bigger schools, because all the private schools recruit, and pay the tuition for the star athletes.

Also, it IS the tax issue that keeps them able to play for the public schools. I say give em back their damed money and have them go away!! :nono: :mad:

[BigApp]

Also, it IS the tax issue that keeps them able to play for the public schools. I say give em back their damed money and have them go away!! :nono: :mad:

Hmmm...that'd be nice!

[jstate83]

I'm not quite sure which side is right. The parents are paying the taxes (and the interest on all those bonds) to support the schools and their athletic teams' competitions, but they aren't students of the school system.

That's another thing that came up here.

It still didn't work though.
There are many thing's you pay taxes on but are not allowed to visit.

My view on this is these parent's just want to use the PUBLIC SCHOOL facilities to get COLLEGE ATHELETIC SCHOLLIES.
Taking spot's from kids that have to play by the PUBLIC SCHOOL RULES 24/7 in everything.

I mean....................Who would verify that a homeschooled kid's A is really an A.
First time something fishy surface, that kid can walk away from the school and leave them on probation while a kid that attends that school is on an entirely different GRADING system and RULE system.

If it was all about academic quality, then they would be shooting for ACADEMIC SCHOLLIES.
If they want to play college sports, they can walk on.

[89Hen]

I say give em back their damed money
:thumbsup: I'll be here waiting for my check.

[jstate83]

:thumbsup: I'll be here waiting for my check.

I wish I could get a refund. :nod:

I don't have no kids in no school system. xlolx
I'm paying for everybody.xlolx

[BigApp]

Who would verify that a homeschooled kid's A is really an A.


In North Carolina, homeschooled kids still have to pass the same end of year exams the public schools kids take, IIRC. So, the state decides.


If it was all about academic quality, then they would be shooting for ACADEMIC SCHOLLIES.


JMHO, but I think most are homeschooled out of concerns about academic quality

[bison95]

I'm not quite sure which side is right. The parents are paying the taxes (and the interest on all those bonds) to support the schools and their athletic teams' competitions, but they aren't students of the school system.

Parents are paying the property taxes like all other property owners without kids, but the state money that comes to the school for the students is based on the enrollment. They are not part of that, thus are taking advantage of the system and increasing the cost per student enrolled at the school.

It should not happen, I had relatives that home schooled, and I have always said, if you hame school, enjoy watching the other kids in the community beat your kids ass.

[AZGrizFan]

I wish I could get a refund. :nod:

I don't have no kids in no school system. xlolx
I'm paying for everybody.xlolx

Hint: You're not paying for YOUR kids to go to school. That money was collected LONG ago from those on SS now. We're paying for the NEXT generation of kids to go to school.

BTW, I believe that there are some places in this country where you CAN opt out of paying school taxes if you send your kids to private school. :read: :read:

[jstate83]

Most of the private schools here kick ASS on much bigger schools, because all the private schools recruit, and pay the tuition for the star athletes.



Recruiting Not allowed here by the Private School System.

One of the best Bording schools in the country here, PINEY WOODS, just got byotched slapped by the school system here in Jackson for "recruiting".

They got bounced from the State tournament for 2 years with probation.
6 players were ruled ineligiable last year.
Killing part about that was, with only 7 players on the Basketball team, they still beat the crap out of everyone in 3A and most teams in higher classifications.

They didn't get in trouble from the kids comming in from the Northeast, Chicago or LA.
They got in trouble for recruiting players at these highschool basketball camps that were put on by Piney Woods coach in Jackson.
Dude had a Jackson pipeline for players. :lol:

Here you can be a "private school" and be part of the public school atheletic system or you can be part of the private school system.

[crunifan]

I know that when I was in high school (and I graduated in 2004) in the Cedar Rapids area, homeschooled students were allowed to play on the public school's teams.

I even know individual people that happened to be homeschooled and played on my high school teams.

[bison95]

Hint: You're not paying for YOUR kids to go to school. That money was collected LONG ago from those on SS now. We're paying for the NEXT generation of kids to go to school.

BTW, I believe that there are some places in this country where you CAN opt out of paying school taxes if you send your kids to private school. :read: :read:

Old people bitch here every year about it, I guess those that bitch want uneducated members of the community:D

[jstate83]

In North Carolina, homeschooled kids still have to pass the same end of year exams the public schools kids take, IIRC. So, the state decides.



JMHO, but I think most are homeschooled out of concerns about academic quality

OK the year end exams are cool, but who is going to check to see if that kid is passing ALL YEAR.

If a kid is enrolled in public school, a member of the football, basketball, etc., teams, and flunk a test or 2, he will be sat down right then.

They won't wait for the end of the year to see.
Homeschooled kids don't have to go through this if they are there just to play sports.
Until the end of the year when that exam is given, school's would basically have to take the word of their parents.

[AZGrizFan]

Recruiting Not allowed here by the Private School System.

One of the best Bording schools in the country here, PINEY WOODS, just got byotched slapped by the school system here in Jackson for "recruiting".

They got bounced from the State tournament for 2 years with probation.
6 players were ruled ineligiable last year.
Killing part about that was, with only 7 players on the Basketball team, they still beat the crap out of everyone in 3A and most teams in higher classifications.

They didn't get in trouble from the kids comming in from the Northeast, Chicago or LA.
They got in trouble for recruiting players at these highschool basketball camps that were put on by Piney Woods coach in Jackson.
Dude had a Jackson pipeline for players. :lol:

Here you can be a "private school" and be part of the public school atheletic system or you can be part of the private school system.

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I didn't say recruiting was ALLOWED here. I just said they all do it. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

We have a 500 student school (Seton Catholic) petitioning up from 3A to 5A which is for schools over 2500 students. They will trash most 5A schools. Now HOW DO THEY DO THAT??? :eek: ;)

[AZGrizFan]

Old people bitch here every year about it, I guess those that bitch want uneducated members of the community:D

Try living in a district where a LARGE portion of the voting public is made up of rich retired folks (Carefree, AZ). You have to pry the money out of their cold, dead hands. During election/voting season, the old folks provide busses to go around, pick up all the "nearly dead" ones and drag them to the voting booths to shoot down the bonds and overrides. Last year, in Phoenix, there were 17 bond issues on the ballot in the various school districts. 16 passed. Ours did not. xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx

[bison95]

Try living in a district where a LARGE portion of the voting public is made up of rich retired folks (Carefree, AZ). You have to pry the money out of their cold, dead hands. During election/voting season, the old folks provide busses to go around, pick up all the "nearly dead" ones and drag them to the voting booths to shoot down the bonds and overrides. Last year, in Phoenix, there were 17 bond issues on the ballot in the various school districts. 16 passed. Ours did not. xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx

Rural Iowa is not far behind. 75% of the voting population is a tank of gas from moving to Carefree AZ.......

[AZGrizFan]

Rural Iowa is not far behind. 75% of the voting population is a tank of gas from moving to Carefree AZ.......

There's the mountain dew in you nose hairs right back atcha. xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[BigApp]

jstate, I understand ya man! I aint defending 'em, just stating what I know (or at least I think I know). I completely get what you're saying.

[dbackjon]

Try living in a district where a LARGE portion of the voting public is made up of rich retired folks (Carefree, AZ). You have to pry the money out of their cold, dead hands. During election/voting season, the old folks provide busses to go around, pick up all the "nearly dead" ones and drag them to the voting booths to shoot down the bonds and overrides. Last year, in Phoenix, there were 17 bond issues on the ballot in the various school districts. 16 passed. Ours did not. xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx

You guys need to get some lessons from Chandler. Back in the 80's, 70-80% of Sun Lake residents voted NO on bond issue. In the latest bond issue, a majority of Sun Lakers voted YES. All do to outreach programs by Chandler Unified to get the oldies involved in the school system. A number of them have even become involved in the schools as volunteers. Hamilton High sends buses down to Sun Lakes to bring them up to watch their games.

[dbackjon]

Back to the topic - I don't have a problem with it, as long as they take progress tests.

In Arizona, a home-schooled student can participate in extra-curricular activities, like athletics, band, Choir, etc. They can also opt to take a class (like chemistry, etc) at the regular high school if there is space available.

[BigApp]

yep. old folks like having their azzes kissed!

[jstate83]

:nod:
jstate, I understand ya man! I aint defending 'em, just stating what I know (or at least I think I know). I completely get what you're saying.


I get you too.
Just getting different opinions.
MAN....................YA'LL GOT PLENTY OF GOOD ONES ON THIS SUBJECT.xlolx
YA'LL SERIOUS BOUT THIS ONE. xlolx
This topic strikes nerves like none I have seen in a while.

[bluehenbillk]

I don't believe home-schooled kids should be able to participate in athletic or other school activities. If they're not enrolled in the school how exactly can they represent it?

[89Hen]

We have a 500 student school (Seton Catholic) petitioning up from 3A to 5A which is for schools over 2500 students. They will trash most 5A schools. Now HOW DO THEY DO THAT??? :eek: ;)
Simple. Scholarships. Yes they have to recruit, but not like most people think. They can let the fact that they can offer a kid a free private school education do the recruiting for them. We have a private around here that is trying to get to the point where they have a big enough endowment that they don't charge anyone tuition (currently tuition is $21,000 per year). How many people will be lined up for that one? They will have the pick of all the best students and athletes (and hopefully some that are both).

[andy7171]

Home schooled kids are regulated by the public schools. They have to take tests and pass qualification just like everyone else. You don't punish the kids of parents who want to home school thier kids. Spots aren't being taken away from students. The home schooled kids compete for those spots just like a normal student. Whats the big deal?

And I send my kids to Catholic school, so I'm paying double!

[andy7171]

Back to the topic - I don't have a problem with it, as long as they take progress tests.

In Arizona, a home-schooled student can participate in extra-curricular activities, like athletics, band, Choir, etc. They can also opt to take a class (like chemistry, etc) at the regular high school if there is space available.
Thios is perfectly reasonable. Why would anyone object?

[Marcus Garvey]

CON:....................If you don't want to be a part of the public school system, then you SHOULD NOT BE ABLE to take advantage of the programs offered there.
In other words, if you want to be part of the " X Highschool Football Team", then you SHOULD BE ENROLLED IN "X HIGHSCHOOL" following the guidlines of the athletic programs AND the academic programs like every other athelete enrolled at "X Highschool".


I guess I'm on the side of Against letting this happen.
What's your take?

I'm with you 100%. Extra-curricular activities are a privilige too, that can be taken away if a student doesn't conduct himself/herself in the propper manner: Good (enough) grades, behavior, etc... (Well, that's the general theory, I'm exluding Texas HS football for this argument).
Home-school kids are asking for the priviliges that, quite frankly, they have not earned.
The popular argument about being part of the community and the parents paying taxes is downright laughable. If that held water, then kids at the local parochial high school could play sports at the public high school, if said sport is not offered at the parochial school

[89Hen]

Home schooled kids are regulated by the public schools. They have to take tests and pass qualification just like everyone else. You don't punish the kids of parents who want to home school thier kids. Spots aren't being taken away from students. The home schooled kids compete for those spots just like a normal student. Whats the big deal?
During the eight hours I had to sit in class at school, I received one period of Phys Ed in my Frosh and Soph years in HS. That's it, and most of the time we didn't do much in the way of real sports. A home schooled kid that plays bball could spend an hour or two a day shooting baskets in his driveway during the school day or a football player spending hours working on drills or lifting.... being home-schooled can absolutely offer advantages in athletics for a serious athlete. :twocents:

[andy7171]

During the eight hours I had to sit in class at school, I received one period of Phys Ed in my Frosh and Soph years in HS. That's it, and most of the time we didn't do much in the way of real sports. A home schooled kid that plays bball could spend an hour or two a day shooting baskets in his driveway during the school day or a football player spending hours working on drills or lifting.... being home-schooled can absolutely offer advantages in athletics for a serious athlete. :twocents:
I didn't think of it that way. Although parents who choose to home school their kids wouldn't let that go one. But thats just based on people I've heard home school.

Interesting slant on this subject though. I honestly never thought of that.

[89Hen]

Although parents who choose to home school their kids wouldn't let that go one. But thats just based on people I've heard home school.
I definitely agree with that. A killer athlete would be the exception as most of the home schooling parents I know are either hippies or extremely conservative Christians and so are their kids. But the ones that would really want to be on a sports team... they may be different.

[andy7171]

...and the killer athlete would already have a scholarship to a top private school.