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milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 02:11 PM
Please tell me this was a typo and you're not actually this retarded?
Yes. Typo. EWU. Thank you for the benefit of the doubt. Wow.
Are you retarded enough to think someone would actually confuse EKU as the number 3 team on purpose?
Even tho their defense DID look like a top ranked squad vs y'all offensive train wreck.
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milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 02:11 PM
Holy hell.
Typo. Relax. Get someone to help you wipe the crap off your leg now.
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BamKat
October 26th, 2016, 02:11 PM
Please tell me this was a typo and you're not actually this retarded?
I think it's a Tapatalk thing... I see it also
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JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 02:13 PM
Yes. Typo. EWU. Thank you for the benefit of the doubt. Wow.
Are you retarded enough to think someone would actually confuse EKU as the number 3 team on purpose?
Even thou their defense DID look like a top ranked squad vs y'all offensive train wreck.
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No I'm curious how you screwed up that bad. K and W aren't even near each other on the keyboard.
BisonTru
October 26th, 2016, 02:14 PM
Yes. Typo. EWU. Thank you for the benefit of the doubt. Wow.
Are you retarded enough to think someone would actually confuse EKU as the number 3 team on purpose?
Even tho their defense DID look like a top ranked squad vs y'all offensive train wreck.
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Weren't you going to go away and leave us retards alone???
#ButtNichols
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 02:14 PM
so this site contains both a pissing contest and a spelling contest? Awesome. lol. Some special place for sure. I guess you guys should be allowed to be right about something today so i'll let y'all enjoy the moment.
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BamKat
October 26th, 2016, 02:16 PM
No I'm curious how you screwed up that bad. K and W aren't even near each other on the keyboard.
On my iPad using tapatalk sometimes your avatar is showing up on MK's name. Kind of crazy.
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milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 02:17 PM
No I'm curious how you screwed up that bad. K and W aren't even near each other on the keyboard.
I had just read a guys post about JSU vs EKU so i guess i had EKU on the brain. ...Just Like Eli Jenkins.
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JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 02:18 PM
Weren't you going to go away and leave us retards alone???
#ButtNichols
Of course not, he has more wisdom to spread.
#ButtNichols
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 02:18 PM
Weren't you going to go away and leave us retards alone???
#ButtNichols
I did for 6 hours. Wasn't that long enough?
Whenever you get tired of getting drug around by your tampon string, just have the mods remove me.
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JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 02:20 PM
I really hope UTC and SHSU meet in the playoffs. A pissing match between this guy and Chattownmocs would be the stuff of legend.
#ButtNicholls
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 02:21 PM
Of course not, he has more wisdom to spread.
#ButtNichols
bro, i've read some good commentary on here from everyone BUT you. You've had nothing but "62-10".
so until you come up with something of interest, i'm going to contend that you are nothing more than a male porn bot, with nothing else to do.
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JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 02:22 PM
bro, i've read some good commentary on here from everyone BUT you. You've had nothing but "62-10".
so until you come up with something of interest, i'm going to contend that you are nothing more than a male porn bot, with nothing else to do.
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xlolx
#ButtNicholls
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 02:28 PM
The bottom line is this, this banter has been fun for sure. It's all good.
But the coaching staff and players of shsu do not care about the rankings other than being the Top team is a program goal, as i'm sure it is of all other programs represented on here.
Their stated goal is not to be number one in october, but January 8.
The players on the field do not make the schedule or recruit for the SLC, they just go out and handle business bs the guy in front of them just like every other team.
So congrats on all the rings NDSU has. Congrats on the 62-10 Eli Jenkins crybaby revenge game.
The fact is, none of it matters this year, right now.
One of the top teams on here will have their crack at shsu to prove the critics wrong....assuming We don't crap the bed vs a lesser opponent at some point...which i have seen them do the last two years so who knows.
The rest of the regular season and the playoffs will answer all the questions we all have and The True Champion will be crowed just like every other year.
---MK OUT--- Be seeing you on other threads.
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milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 02:30 PM
No because you don't take a team's opposition into account when evaluating them.
whoa! Isn't that what everyone has been doing on here for the last 24 hours? Using opponents as evaluation?
The rabbit holes continue...you guys really should get on the same page.
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fmrbearkat
October 26th, 2016, 02:31 PM
The only time this season we get to see what SHSU is truly made of is the last game against UCA. The only game on the schedule where a team has a record above .500 (unless McNeese pulls a win this weekend).
I am not saying they are not the best team, but they really have nothing to prove they are. They can't help the Southland is crap this year. They can't help the conference only allows 2 OOC games. They can help, though, that those two are OK Panhandle and Texas Southern. I prefer to see teams ranked at the top that have proven something. I would probably say they belong in the Top 5 because they have history, and haven't lost. I just can't see anyway you can defend them being #1 based on what they have done this year. Especially over teams like EWU or NDSU who have good wins and proven they are good again this year. Heck even JSU has proven more with a nice win over CCU and crushing the other terrible teams on their schedule.
Actually we can't help that either. We were supposed to play New Mexico but they back out in April or May i believe and they only game we could find was Panhandle State. If we played and beat New Mexico like we should have then we wouldn't be in this predicament.
If we played worth a **** vs JSU last year we wouldn't be in the spot where people question us either. JSU may well have been the better team but they weren't that much better like the score indicated. We went on a very tough travel schedule in the playoffs. Had the kickoff fumble and QB fumble almost immediately and it snowballed in a hurry. I was on the sidelines for that and about half the other games. It was a totally different feeling after the turnorvers. Sometimes you just have games like that. We were too tired and didn't have the QB play that day to rebound from the early mistakes. **** happens but remember that was a team that made the Semi's last year.
I would tell you all the reason's why this team is better but yall wouldn't listen anyways. So i'll just let yall find out come November and December.
I will say that I hope to god the Bison don't end up on our side of the bracket though....sure had a good time tailgating at Frisco with you guys!!
But on the bright side....if yall do end up on our side it should be a good crowd at Bowers and I'll be happy to give one of you guys a couple bucks for your frisco tickets xthumbsupx xlolxxlolxxlolx
But seriously....this team is quite a bit better than last years team at nearly every spot. Its rediculous to watch how crisp they are on Saturdays. I played in several playoff games and been on the sidelines for alot of other ones. Never been around a team like this. Thats not team bias because I've given the Bison and Griz alot of high praise over the years. These guys are really really really good!!
Schedule sucks but we thought it was going to be the perfect schedule.
Going into Christmas - Winnable FBS plus a sure fire win FCS plus conference that had 3 playoff teams last year and UCA
Going into summer - ****ty D2 and descent conference
Present day - ****ty D2, ****ty Conference (minus UCA)
All we can do is slaughter the teams in front. Most weeks we have done that and put the 3rd string and alot of walk-ons in who gave up some points. Oh well. Got experience and hopefully some well rested starters by playoffs. Good luck the rest of the season boys. I can't tell you who's going to win the election but i can tell you one of the teams that will be in Frisco xnodx
But seriously...$20 bucks for your Frisco tickets....$30 if its Nicki's tickets (i think that was her name wasn't it Nickles?) ...is she still around anymore??
BisonFan02
October 26th, 2016, 02:34 PM
Actually we can't help that either. We were supposed to play New Mexico but they back out in April or May i believe and they only game we could find was Panhandle State. If we played and beat New Mexico like we should have then we wouldn't be in this predicament.
If we played worth a **** vs JSU last year we wouldn't be in the spot where people question us either. JSU may well have been the better team but they weren't that much better like the score indicated. We went on a very tough travel schedule in the playoffs. Had the kickoff fumble and QB fumble almost immediately and it snowballed in a hurry. I was on the sidelines for that and about half the other games. It was a totally different feeling after the turnorvers. Sometimes you just have games like that. We were too tired and didn't have the QB play that day to rebound from the early mistakes. **** happens but remember that was a team that made the Semi's last year.
I would tell you all the reason's why this team is better but yall wouldn't listen anyways. So i'll just let yall find out come November and December.
I will say that I hope to god the Bison don't end up on our side of the bracket though....sure had a good time tailgating at Frisco with you guys!!
But on the bright side....if yall do end up on our side it should be a good crowd at Bowers and I'll be happy to give one of you guys a couple bucks for your frisco tickets xthumbsupx xlolxxlolxxlolx
But seriously....this team is quite a bit better than last years team at nearly every spot. Its rediculous to watch how crisp they are on Saturdays. I played in several playoff games and been on the sidelines for alot of other ones. Never been around a team like this. Thats not team bias because I've given the Bison and Griz alot of high praise over the years. These guys are really really really good!!
Schedule sucks but we thought it was going to be the perfect schedule.
Going into Christmas - Winnable FBS plus a sure fire win FCS plus conference that had 3 playoff teams last year and UCA
Going into summer - ****ty D2 and descent conference
Present day - ****ty D2, ****ty Conference (minus UCA)
All we can do is slaughter the teams in front. Most weeks we have done that and put the 3rd string and alot of walk-ons in who gave up some points. Oh well. Got experience and hopefully some well rested starters by playoffs. Good luck the rest of the season boys. I can't tell you who's going to win the election but i can tell you one of the teams that will be in Frisco xnodx
But seriously...$20 bucks for your Frisco tickets....$30 if its Nicki's tickets (i think that was her name wasn't it Nickles?) ...is she still around anymore??
I haven't seen her around here for quite awhile.....actually met her in Frisco at 3rd base (now wild pitch) I think in the NDSU/Towson natty. Fairly interesting interaction....haha
mango433
October 26th, 2016, 02:35 PM
Did you guys know that Sam Houston was supposed to play New Mexico but New Mexico backed out? Haven't seen that yet so just wondering if anyone was aware
Sammy94
October 26th, 2016, 02:42 PM
https://www.abqjournal.com/705420/unm-releases-its-2016-nonconference-football-schedule.html
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 02:45 PM
Or you? :D
2005? You must be one the original Novemberists. xnodx
Nah, that was an actual case of just finding out about the board and sticking around for 11 years. We'll see if you stick around once JSU misses the playoffs. :D
JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 02:47 PM
Nah, that was an actual case of just finding out about the board and sticking around for 11 years. We'll see if you stick around once JSU misses the playoffs. :D
Misses? Nah. We won't miss have you seen our remaining schedule?
Get very far in the playoffs? That's a different story entirely.
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 02:50 PM
It's also fun to bring up EKU from this past Saturday.
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A game they won? Ohhhhhh sick burn. xlolx
JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 02:52 PM
A game they won? Ohhhhhh sick burn. xlolx
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PantherRob82 again.
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 02:52 PM
so this site contains both a pissing contest and a spelling contest? Awesome. lol. Some special place for sure. I guess you guys should be allowed to be right about something today so i'll let y'all enjoy the moment.
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Gotta get that post count up so it looks like you contributed before JSU blows your doors off and you disappear, eh? ;)
fmrbearkat
October 26th, 2016, 02:54 PM
It could go on for months but thankfully most Novemberists leave after their teams get emabarrassed 62-10 in the playoffs.
Were your guys embarrassed the last 5 or so years while they were home watching us in the playoffs?
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 02:54 PM
whoa! Isn't that what everyone has been doing on here for the last 24 hours? Using opponents as evaluation?
The rabbit holes continue...you guys really should get on the same page.
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"Be seeing you on other threads" ....(replies again) xlolx
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 02:55 PM
Misses? Nah. We won't miss have you seen our remaining schedule?
Get very far in the playoffs? That's a different story entirely.
I'm saying in the future. I've been here 11 years. I post whether or not UNI is good. Thus, not a Novemberist. ;)
The Pud
October 26th, 2016, 02:55 PM
Did you guys know that Sam Houston was supposed to play New Mexico but New Mexico backed out? Haven't seen that yet so just wondering if anyone was aware
Us here in New York were aware of this. There was a funny segment on ESPN radio early in this season talking about this and laughing about a FBS program backing out. Funny stuff
mango433
October 26th, 2016, 02:57 PM
"Be seeing you on other threads" ....(replies again) xlolx
He's going to reply to this 7 times now.
Mayville Bison
October 26th, 2016, 02:57 PM
I'm really not trying to be an arse, but honestly..it's like people act like our AD doesn't try to do that every year. But none of the lower tier FBS texas teams will play us. and None of the Big 12 teams in texas will play us because they are ill trying to get Power 5 brownie points.
i know for a fact, our AD has tried to get UofH to play us every year for 5 years but got rejected.
i ask again, who would you like us to play? We keep trying. I can't explain how NDSU gets teams to agree to it. Maybe you guys don't need the money that we need for travel. But enough is enough with the "you don't schedule tough" talk. It's not true.
So call up some of your MVFC buddies and get us that conference invite and we will gladly join you! Buddy!
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It's not the FBS game. It's not even the 9 game conference schedule. It's that remaining game that you need to make sure is a playoff worthy team. You have Richmond and UND coming up, so that will definitely help, but you can't schedule a Texas Southern as your best OOC game and expect people to not question it.
The last time you scheduled a top tier team, you got the FCS kickoff game on ESPN, so that worked out. Richmond can definitely be that same level and we'll find out more about UND before your series with them to determine if that's kickoff game worthy.
JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 03:01 PM
I'm saying in the future. I've been here 11 years. I post whether or not UNI is good. Thus, not a Novemberist. ;)
But... but... you joined in November! :D
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 03:02 PM
Gotta get that post count up so it looks like you contributed before JSU blows your doors off and you disappear, eh? ;)
Sure looks that way eh? Do we play them soon or nah?
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milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 03:04 PM
i'll stop posting as soon as y'all stop quoting me. i'm not rude, i'll respond. i have manners.
I keep trying to leave but y'all can't get enough of me apparently.
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milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 03:05 PM
You guys are like old ladies at the nursing home when the cute man walks in. #Moistenupmuch?
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fmrbearkat
October 26th, 2016, 03:09 PM
Did you guys know that Sam Houston was supposed to play New Mexico but New Mexico backed out? Haven't seen that yet so just wondering if anyone was aware
Sorry.....started on page one and replied before i got done reading. I knew it was going to happen but i couldn't pass up a good jab at the bison folk. But seriously....I know you guys have all the tickets already bought. $20 bucks will buy alot of gravy mix to keep you guys warm in the South Canadian winters while you watch a good Bearkat game on the boob tube...takers....anybody?? xcoffeex
BisonTru
October 26th, 2016, 03:11 PM
I did for 6 hours. Wasn't that long enough?
Whenever you get tired of getting drug around by your tampon string, just have the mods remove me.
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Yeah, you're really hitting the cover off of it with your #ButtNichols, #ButtEasternKentucky arguments. xrolleyesx
BTW, you're not getting banned here. You'll puff your chest for a month or so and when Samantha is exposed you'll disappear.
fmrbearkat
October 26th, 2016, 03:11 PM
A game they won? Ohhhhhh sick burn. xlolx
So why do yall keep bringing up our schedule....since were not talking about games we've won......
mango433
October 26th, 2016, 03:12 PM
Sorry.....started on page one and replied before i got done reading. I knew it was going to happen but i couldn't pass up a good jab at the bison folk. But seriously....I know you guys have all the tickets already bought. $20 bucks will buy alot of gravy mix to keep you guys warm in the South Canadian winters while you watch a good Bearkat game on the boob tube...takers....anybody?? xcoffeex
I'm going to go douse myself with gasoline for being thought of as an NDSU fan.
JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 03:16 PM
So why do yall keep bringing up our schedule....since were not talking about games we've won......
Because we aren't number one and no one from the JSU camp is arguing we deserve to be there.
None of us are making a claim for JSU being justified. If they are going to make the claim the SHSU is justified they should expect to have their claim challenged.
In fact, I'm sure most of us Gamecock fans (including myself) would tell you JSU is overranked.
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 03:18 PM
But... but... you joined in November! :D
#Butt11Years
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You guys are like old ladies at the nursing home when the cute man walks in. #Moistenupmuch?
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3x POST COMBO MULTIPLIER
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 03:19 PM
#Butt11Years
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Bully
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Mayville Bison
October 26th, 2016, 03:19 PM
It could go on for months but thankfully most Novemberists leave after their teams get emabarrassed 62-10 in the playoffs.
But apparently not if it was only 37-10 xcoffeex
Please tell me someone beat me to this
JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 03:19 PM
#Butt11Years
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3x POST COMBO MULTIPLIER
Damn it. Quit quoting him.
But apparently not if it was only 37-10 xcoffeex
Please tell me someone beat me to this
No, you're the first.
I'm not Chattown. I stick around after a loss and eat my crow. Deservedly so after that game.
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 03:21 PM
Bully
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I gave you a multiplier. Helping you out. ;)
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 03:27 PM
I gave you a multiplier. Helping you out. ;)
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Sammy94
October 26th, 2016, 03:31 PM
I'm going to go douse myself with gasoline for being thought of as an NDSU fan.
Heck I just thought everyone was considered North Dakota!!! When the future schedule came out with us playing them, the comments..." finally going to see them in the regular season instead of the playoffs!!" Yep that North Dakota school xeyebrowx, South Dakota is close enough. Are you sure not everyone is North Dakota Bison up there????? :D
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 03:33 PM
Because we aren't number one and no one from the JSU camp is arguing we deserve to be there.
None of us are making a claim for JSU being justified. If they are going to make the claim the SHSU is justified they should expect to have their claim challenged.
In fact, I'm sure most of us Gamecock fans (including myself) would tell you JSU is overranked.
Overranked?? But But...You guys get Roc Thomas back this week....
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JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 03:38 PM
Overranked?? But But...You guys get Roc Thomas back this week....
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Even with Roc still have problems with the passing game, penalties, and kicking.
Of course we are all hoping that the offense will click sooner or later. The tools are there we are just missing the "it" factor.
Roc coming back will help since he adds an extra demension to our offense but he's not the "it" factor we are missing that we had last year.
BisonFan02
October 26th, 2016, 04:17 PM
Heck I just thought everyone was considered North Dakota!!! When the future schedule came out with us playing them, the comments..." finally going to see them in the regular season instead of the playoffs!!" Yep that North Dakota school xeyebrowx, South Dakota is close enough. Are you sure not everyone is North Dakota Bison up there????? :D
Pretry much.
Grizalltheway
October 26th, 2016, 04:18 PM
Pretry dish?
BisonFan02
October 26th, 2016, 04:19 PM
Pretry dish?
Ya
JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 04:19 PM
Pretry dish?
Petri dish
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 04:20 PM
Even with Roc still have problems with the passing game, penalties, and kicking.
Of course we are all hoping that the offense will click sooner or later. The tools are there we are just missing the "it" factor.
Roc coming back will help since he adds an extra demension to our offense but he's not the "it" factor we are missing that we had last year.
I know i'm supposed to go away, but i just wanted to know if Barge has been playing. well?
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JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 04:32 PM
I know i'm supposed to go away, but i just wanted to know if Barge has been playing. well?
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Yeah, we missed him for the first three games of the season but he's started to get back into the groove of things and make plays. Eli's accuracy has been suspect at times and I'm pretty sure that OVC refs don't know what PI is but aside from that he's only been improving week to week.
Our biggest issue for our passing game in my opinion is our other wideout and our slot. The biggest thing for our offense last year was all three of our receivers were complete weapons. We may have had the best receiving corps in the FCS last year and we were able to use them all and spread the field. It seems our passing game has relied really heavily on Barge since he's been back and we haven't been spreading the ball around well. The other two guys are capable of making plays but we haven't been giving them as many targets.
But yeah Barge has been doing well.
clenz
October 26th, 2016, 05:18 PM
Pretry dish?
Missing a 5 but made up for with an extra 21
bobcathpdevil56
October 26th, 2016, 05:23 PM
That was a great end of the work day read. Thanks new guys, I enjoy you being here!!!
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 05:35 PM
Yeah, we missed him for the first three games of the season but he's started to get back into the groove of things and make plays. Eli's accuracy has been suspect at times and I'm pretty sure that OVC refs don't know what PI is but aside from that he's only been improving week to week.
Our biggest issue for our passing game in my opinion is our other wideout and our slot. The biggest thing for our offense last year was all three of our receivers were complete weapons. We may have had the best receiving corps in the FCS last year and we were able to use them all and spread the field. It seems our passing game has relied really heavily on Barge since he's been back and we haven't been spreading the ball around well. The other two guys are capable of making plays but we haven't been giving them as many targets.
But yeah Barge has been doing well.
That's good. I like his swagger. He doesn't have the size for next level play, but he's as good of an fcs WR as you'll find.
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JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 06:02 PM
That's good. I like his swagger. He doesn't have the size for next level play, but he's as good of an fcs WR as you'll find.
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Yeah, shame about his size. It's unfortunate he doesn't have the size of an NFL receiver. If only he were as big as say Steve Smith, Wes Welker, or Doug Baldwin.
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 06:03 PM
Yeah, shame about his size. It's unfortunate he doesn't have the size of an NFL receiver. If only he were as big as Steve Smith, Wes Welker, or Doug Baldwin.
yeeaaaaahhhhhh....apples and oranges my friend.
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Thumper 76
October 26th, 2016, 06:29 PM
I'm going to go douse myself with gasoline for being thought of as an NDSU fan.
This is acceptable. It has happened to me many times. Don't do it by fire though. Fire bad.
Heck I just thought everyone was considered North Dakota!!! When the future schedule came out with us playing them, the comments..." finally going to see them in the regular season instead of the playoffs!!" Yep that North Dakota school xeyebrowx, South Dakota is close enough. Are you sure not everyone is North Dakota Bison up there????? :D
Gosh I really hope we can face you Lumberjacks in the playoffs this year.....
Pretry much.
You sir, can hide and go play with yourself. (PG version, Millenialkitten might be too tender)
After reading through how this thread has progressed since last night, I will be holding a candle light service for the passing of the last ten brain cells I had left. They fought on bravely but just couldn't take it in the end. All are welcome to attend.
JSUSoutherner
October 26th, 2016, 06:44 PM
yeeaaaaahhhhhh....apples and oranges my friend.
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Size isn't the only factor is my point.
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 06:53 PM
Size isn't the only factor is my point.
It is to scouts these days.
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Thumper 76
October 26th, 2016, 06:54 PM
I love the guys trumpeting the Coaches Poll as the all knowing poll. Funniest **** ever. If you don't know why, then you are kinda out of it.
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 06:59 PM
This is acceptable. It has happened to me many times. Don't do it by fire though. Fire bad.
Gosh I really hope we can face you Lumberjacks in the playoffs this year.....
You sir, can hide and go play with yourself. (PG version, Millenialkitten might be too tender)
After reading through how this thread has progressed since last night, I will be holding a candle light service for the passing of the last ten brain cells I had left. They fought on bravely but just couldn't take it in the end. All are welcome to attend.
You really are uppity huh? I You really got offended huh? I actually enjoyed our time together. it's wednesday night so enjoy your bridge group. Sorry to bother you gramps.
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Thumper 76
October 26th, 2016, 07:15 PM
You really are uppity huh? I You really got offended huh? I actually enjoyed our time together. it's wednesday night so enjoy your bridge group. Sorry to bother you gramps.
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xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx uppity? Gramps? Dude I'm dead. xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx
Offended? Not in the slightest. I will treat others in kind who call us by our rivals name. And if you can't see that I'm joking with BF02, welp, I got nothin for ya. Don't really care either, so I got that goin for me. xlolx
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 07:24 PM
xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx uppity? Gramps? Dude I'm dead. xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx
Offended? Not in the slightest. I will treat others in kind who call us by our rivals name. And if you can't see that I'm joking with BF02, welp, I got nothin for ya. Don't really care either, so I got that goin for me. xlolx
lol. Ok. now we understand each other. 👬Let's move forward?
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 07:27 PM
lol. Ok. now we understand each other. Let's move forward?
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
I'd have to check with ursus, but 88 posts in 24 hours on a non-game day has to be Top 10 all time. xlolx
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 07:28 PM
I'd have to check with ursus, but 88 posts in 24 hours on a non-game day has to be Top 10 all time.
So....i'm not sure what to say, but i'll start with "Thanks!"...and finish with "My Bad!"....
Is this a deal breaker?
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 07:33 PM
So the reality is this..
I found out about AGS two years ago... For some reason i was not able to get approval for an access log in (I think it was a glitch with the computer OS i had at the time)
So i just lurked in the distance..👀
I started using Tapatalk last year but never got around to looking for AGS on there. So then i got bored and a little hammered and decided to give it a whirl and "presto" Log In acquired.
I'm an acquired taste, but i can be entertaining from time to time. But i mean no harm generally. I accept my fate.
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 07:34 PM
So the reality is this..
I found out about AGS two years ago... For some reason i was not able to get approval for an access log in (I think it was a glitch with the computer OS i had at the time)
So i just lurked in the distance..
I started using Tapatalk last year but never got around to looking for AGS on there. So then i got bored and a little hammered and decided to give it a whirl and "presto" Log In acquired.
I'm an acquired taste, but i can be entertaining from time to time. But i mean no harm generally. I accept my fate.
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
Personally, I think you are awesome.
Raven Maniac
October 26th, 2016, 07:35 PM
Combined win-loss records of 15-37. That's some murderers row there ;)
It's not about how bad other teams are. It's about how good your team is.
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Raven Maniac
October 26th, 2016, 07:41 PM
This guy here.
How do you know SHSU "improved dramatically"? Who have they played that showed they have improved dramatically? Is it the 26.57 ppg they are giving up? Is it the impressive win over Ok Panhandle? Maybe it was the impressive win over Houston Baptist. In reality all they have done is be good last year and then win every game in their cupcake feast so far. No team they have beat so far has a winning record currently. And they are still giving up 26.57ppg.
You can go on your anti-UNI rants all you want, but this has nothing to do with UNI and everything to do with the weak ass schedule your butt buddy KC Keeler put together.
Instead of getting all sensitive, let's meet in the playoffs and see if we have improved. That way no excuses.
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PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 07:43 PM
It's not about how bad other teams are. It's about how good your team is.
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SHSU 5
CSU 1
Thumper 76
October 26th, 2016, 07:45 PM
SHSU 5
CSU 1
xlolx xlolx xlolx this was my immediate thought when I saw this dude xlolx
Thumper 76
October 26th, 2016, 07:46 PM
So....i'm not sure what to say, but i'll start with "Thanks!"...and finish with "My Bad!"....
Is this a deal breaker?
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
Its only a deal breaker if you make continuous unwavering eye contact and gently brush his hand.
blackfordpu
October 26th, 2016, 07:51 PM
SHSU 5
CSU 1
So we are counting supposed SHSU supporters now? Man the ndsu count must never stop.
Apparently the hypocrisy on this board knows no bounds.
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TheRevSFA
October 26th, 2016, 08:15 PM
Personally, I think you are awesome.
I can actually attest for MK. He and I go back. He's genuinely good people. Also he's a badass at knife making
MR. CHICKEN
October 26th, 2016, 08:16 PM
......UH.......IT'S GETTIN'....UH LITTLE TO CUDDLY....IN HERE FO' DUH BIG BIRD............AH'LL CLOSE DUH CURTAINS FO' YA'S.............BRAWK!
BisonFan02
October 26th, 2016, 08:17 PM
Its only a deal breaker if you make continuous unwavering eye contact and gently brush his hand.
Also known as first base in Brookings. Taking him fishing is saved for the second date. xthumbsupx Play your cards right, and Thumper would take you out for some hot dogs and man honey in Mitchell. :D
clawman
October 26th, 2016, 08:22 PM
Seriously, Montana St. with more votes than Northern Arizona? STATS poll is a joke.
I agree, some of these voters don't even know who they are voting for. Just because "Montana" is in the name they get votes
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 08:39 PM
I can't quit Thumper76
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 08:40 PM
I can actually attest for MK. He and I go back. He's genuinely good people. Also he's a badass at knife making
I just want things to be the way they were. And you didn't mention the guitar ability. If you're going to make me blush Rev, don't stop at second base..
#We'llAlwaysHaveNRG
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 08:46 PM
So we are counting supposed SHSU supporters now? Man the ndsu count must never stop.
Apparently the hypocrisy on this board knows no bounds.
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If you were a real member of the board you would know what this is about. xrolleyesx
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I can actually attest for MK. He and I go back. He's genuinely good people. Also he's a badass at knife making
Is that a threat? xlolx
TheRevSFA
October 26th, 2016, 09:22 PM
If you were a real member of the board you would know what this is about. xrolleyesx
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Is that a threat? xlolx
the threat would be his guitar playing
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 09:34 PM
the threat would be his guitar playing
What style? Would you describe it as southern speed?
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 09:36 PM
What style? Would you describe it as southern speed?
More like "Hendryx on peyote" rather than acid.
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
Bearkat 41
October 26th, 2016, 10:09 PM
Call me a novemberist if you will, but I've been on AGS since 2005 just don't post much. I read the board daily though.
As for shsu this year it's true the schedule is garbage but the Kats have obliterated every team they've played. Many people who haven't watched them play say their defense is soft because of the points per game they have given up. Im not too worried about the defense though. On overage they have been leading 32-7 at halftime and have only given up 51 first half points, 21 of which were against incarnate word and 14 were in the season opener against opsu. So of the 186 points they've allowed all season 135 have come once the game was in hand. 73% of opponents points are in the second half. So in playing this trash collection of a schedule the shsu defense has actually been very good. Then they have slept though the second half. A trend they need to fix.
Dismiss the Kats as an offensive circus act if you'd like. But I'm confident in what the defense is capable of doing when it matters because I've watched them do it for 7 games.
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 10:21 PM
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"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
PantherRob82
October 26th, 2016, 10:26 PM
Call me a novemberist if you will, but I've been on AGS since 2005 just don't post much. I read the board daily though.
As for shsu this year it's true the schedule is garbage but the Kats have obliterated every team they've played. Many people who haven't watched them play say their defense is soft because of the points per game they have given up. Im not too worried about the defense though. On overage they have been leading 32-7 at halftime and have only given up 51 first half points, 21 of which were against incarnate word and 14 were in the season opener against opsu. So of the 186 points they've allowed all season 135 have come once the game was in hand. 73% of opponents points are in the second half. So in playing this trash collection of a schedule the shsu defense has actually been very good. Then they have slept though the second half. A trend they need to fix.
Dismiss the Kats as an offensive circus act if you'd like. But I'm confident in what the defense is capable of doing when it matters because I've watched them do it for 7 games.
Ok.
SHSU 6
CSU 1
xlolx
Just kidding. You're cool.
BisonFan02
October 26th, 2016, 10:42 PM
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"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
Say Hi to all of the guys on Katfans for us. :D
BisonTru
October 26th, 2016, 11:04 PM
Call me a novemberist if you will, but I've been on AGS since 2005 just don't post much. I read the board daily though.
As for shsu this year it's true the schedule is garbage but the Kats have obliterated every team they've played. Many people who haven't watched them play say their defense is soft because of the points per game they have given up. Im not too worried about the defense though. On overage they have been leading 32-7 at halftime and have only given up 51 first half points, 21 of which were against incarnate word and 14 were in the season opener against opsu. So of the 186 points they've allowed all season 135 have come once the game was in hand. 73% of opponents points are in the second half. So in playing this trash collection of a schedule the shsu defense has actually been very good. Then they have slept though the second half. A trend they need to fix.
Dismiss the Kats as an offensive circus act if you'd like. But I'm confident in what the defense is capable of doing when it matters because I've watched them do it for 7 games.
Good post. We all realize the Bearkats could be very good this season. We are just skeptical with the schedule they've played. Which you have admitted to which may be the first I've seen from either SHSU posters or Hen Nation.
I think we are all fine with Bearkat fans being bullish on the rest of their season. The idea that you guys have locked up the 1 seed or that this poll has it correct, is what the rest of us aren't sold on.
CappinHard
October 26th, 2016, 11:15 PM
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"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
:pumpuke:
BisonFan02
October 26th, 2016, 11:18 PM
:pumpuke:
Frisco Briscoe was runner up to Dirk Diggler.
Raven Maniac
October 26th, 2016, 11:38 PM
So we are counting supposed SHSU supporters now? Man the ndsu count must never stop.
Apparently the hypocrisy on this board knows no bounds.
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I think those are playoff wins from last season.
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milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 11:54 PM
Say Hi to all of the guys on Katfans for us. :D
You got it!
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
milleniumkat
October 26th, 2016, 11:56 PM
Good post. We all realize the Bearkats could be very good this season. We are just skeptical with the schedule they've played. Which you have admitted to which may be the first I've seen from either SHSU posters or Hen Nation.
I think we are all fine with Bearkat fans being bullish on the rest of their season. The idea that you guys have locked up the 1 seed or that this poll has it correct, is what the rest of us aren't sold on.
I admitted several times the schedule is weak. Just like every year. It is what it is. I can't control it. So i just wait till the playoffs to see what happens.
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
dudeitsaid
October 27th, 2016, 01:09 AM
I think this may be the longest thread the STATS poll has ever generated...Holy Smokes!
Kemo
October 27th, 2016, 01:58 AM
I'm going to go douse myself with gasoline for being thought of as an NDSU fan.
http://tosh.cc.com/video-clips/9274xz/getting-gas-with-carrot-top
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 06:48 AM
I admitted several times the schedule is weak. Just like every year.
we have all admitted this. Its unfortunate our FBS foe decided perhaps SHSU wasn't a great idea this season at the last minute. Perhaps the coaches and the STAT folks understand why and have us ranked this high?
milleniumkat
October 27th, 2016, 07:50 AM
we have all admitted this. Its unfortunate our FBS foe decided perhaps SHSU wasn't a great idea this season at the last minute. Perhaps the coaches and the STAT folks understand why and have us ranked this high?
THIS!!!! They recognize when a coward has turned tail and ran away and the reason why!!
FYI i butchered NMU on twitter earlier this year for it. And still troll them from time to time. Hit me up at @cornrow75 (shameless plug)
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
milleniumkat
October 27th, 2016, 08:24 AM
I think this may be the longest thread the STATS poll has ever generated...Holy Smokes!
That was my bad. Got carried away.
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
kalm
October 27th, 2016, 08:41 AM
we have all admitted this. Its unfortunate our FBS foe decided perhaps SHSU wasn't a great idea this season at the last minute. Perhaps the coaches and the STAT folks understand why and have us ranked this high?
So should they make excuses for your scheduling and reward you based on why it's weak or simply look at what your schedule is?
FTR, more than a few have also admitted you're good regardless of schedule.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 08:55 AM
FTR, more than a few have also admitted you're good regardless of schedule.
Well, when you put the game away at halftime no matter your opponent, the team is pretty good.
The Pud
October 27th, 2016, 08:56 AM
So should they make excuses for your scheduling and reward you based on why it's weak or simply look at what your schedule is?
FTR, more than a few have also admitted you're good regardless of schedule.
I second this. Fair point kalm. As an independent observer, I have to question why Sammy's head coach, with all his connections, couldn't secure better quality FBS / FCS programs to play. I see Sammy will play Richmond next year, so perhaps he is already making things happen with respect to scheduling. Time will tell I suppose. That being said, I still believe Sammy is the best team in the nation and is deserving of their number 1 ranking that you guys are all upset over.
PantherRob82
October 27th, 2016, 09:27 AM
we have all admitted this. Its unfortunate our FBS foe decided perhaps SHSU wasn't a great idea this season at the last minute. Perhaps the coaches and the STAT folks understand why and have us ranked this high?
So we should rank teams higher because they tried to play a better team? xlolx
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Well, when you put the game away at halftime no matter your opponent, the team is pretty good.
So UNI is awesome because we pounded Missouri State last week? Sweet!
TheRevSFA
October 27th, 2016, 09:27 AM
I second this. Fair point kalm. As an independent observer, I have to question why Sammy's head coach, with all his connections, couldn't secure better quality FBS / FCS programs to play. I see Sammy will play Richmond next year, so perhaps he is already making things happen with respect to scheduling. Time will tell I suppose. That being said, I still believe Sammy is the best team in the nation and is deserving of their number 1 ranking that you guys are all upset over.
Right.........
PantherRob82
October 27th, 2016, 09:28 AM
I second this. Fair point kalm. As an independent observer, I have to question why Sammy's head coach, with all his connections, couldn't secure better quality FBS / FCS programs to play. I see Sammy will play Richmond next year, so perhaps he is already making things happen with respect to scheduling. Time will tell I suppose. That being said, I still believe Sammy is the best team in the nation and is deserving of their number 1 ranking that you guys are all upset over.
Independent observer who has mostly posted about SHSU and the SLC? xrolleyesx
TheRevSFA
October 27th, 2016, 09:29 AM
Independent observer who has mostly posted about SHSU and the SLC? xrolleyesx
Precisely
Although most Sam fans don't actually believe he's a Sam fan....
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 09:46 AM
So UNI is awesome because we pounded Missouri State last week? Sweet!
I already thought you were good because you have lost to good teams???
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 09:48 AM
So we should rank teams higher because they tried to play a better team? xlolx
Nope should be based on results. But America is now a participation trophy type so SOS losses count now.
UNIFanSince1983
October 27th, 2016, 09:50 AM
Nope should be based on results. But America is now a participation trophy type so SOS losses count now.
I mean if all that counts is winning then UNI should join a conference like the Pioneer and schedule strictly D2's for OOC. Then we can rack up wins and be ranked #1. It pretty much worked for SHSU.
theEDOGG
October 27th, 2016, 09:51 AM
Nothing wrong at all. Fan of a good team, high a top the rankings for at least a little while. Enjoying the banter, looking forward to the playoffs and hoping the team stays healthy enough to make a run.
Life is good.....
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THIS!!!
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The Pud
October 27th, 2016, 09:56 AM
I mean if all that counts is winning then UNI should join a conference like the Pioneer and schedule strictly D2's for OOC. Then we can rack up wins and be ranked #1. It pretty much worked for SHSU.
Seems FCS coaches and major sports writers believe Sammy is the best team in the land.
xnodx
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 09:58 AM
So UNI is awesome because we pounded Missouri State last week? Sweet!
What was the UC Davis / EWU game score at halftime?? Great teams should be blowing teams like that away every time they face them. Granted it takes some top teams 4 quarters to do that, Sam has been doing it in 2.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 09:59 AM
It pretty much worked for SHSU.
Don't be a hater if Sam has figured out the formula...:D
Professor Chaos
October 27th, 2016, 10:15 AM
What was the UC Davis / EWU game score at halftime?? Great teams should be blowing teams like that away every time they face them. Granted it takes some top teams 4 quarters to do that, Sam has been doing it in 2.
If you want to cherry pick Incarnate Word (1-6) was in a 7 point game with SHSU midway through the 3rd quarter.
PantherRob82
October 27th, 2016, 10:35 AM
I already thought you were good because you have lost to good teams???
Yep, and now we also blew out a team by halftime. The proof is in the pudding
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THIS!!!
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SHSU 6
CSU 1
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 10:44 AM
If you want to cherry pick Incarnate Word (1-6) was in a 7 point game with SHSU midway through the 3rd quarter.
True we only had a 2 td lead going into halftime, which the game also ended that way. I guess one game where the other team was within 7 at one point was a close one, good point.
kalm
October 27th, 2016, 10:44 AM
What was the UC Davis / EWU game score at halftime?? Great teams should be blowing teams like that away every time they face them. Granted it takes some top teams 4 quarters to do that, Sam has been doing it in 2.
Our 2010 team blew away practically no one that year including several low tier BSC teams.
We do most of our damage in a quarter and a half. It's just different quarters than you...lol.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 10:46 AM
Yep, and now we also blew out a team by halftime. The proof is in the pudding
I thought the proof was in the computer, having ranked you so high?
Thumper 76
October 27th, 2016, 10:48 AM
Also known as first base in Brookings. Taking him fishing is saved for the second date. xthumbsupx Play your cards right, and Thumper would take you out for some hot dogs and man honey in Mitchell. :D
He better be really good at guitar. I'm saving Mitchell for someone who is really special.
I can't quit Thumper76
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
This is a common problem. There is no cure. I am sorry.
Good post. We all realize the Bearkats could be very good this season. We are just skeptical with the schedule they've played. Which you have admitted to which may be the first I've seen from either SHSU posters or Hen Nation.
I think we are all fine with Bearkat fans being bullish on the rest of their season. The idea that you guys have locked up the 1 seed or that this poll has it correct, is what the rest of us aren't sold on.
This. I don't think there is a soul on here who thinks SHSU is a bad team. Once you get into the top five it gets really hard to judge when a team hasn't been tested yet.
Nope should be based on results. But America is now a participation trophy type so SOS losses count now.
So do you think that Nebraska should be the #1 FBS team right now? Its basically the same situation.
Seems FCS coaches and major sports writers believe Sammy is the best team in the land.
xnodx
I will say again, if you think coaches and writers all have time to actually look at teams nation wide and compile a well thought out and researched poll, you are proving you have ZERO knowledge or credibility in this conversation. Montana State is still receiving votes in the STATS poll FFS. You may not know it, but every time you say this you look like a complete idiot.xthumbsupxxrotatehxxrolleyesx
BisonFan02
October 27th, 2016, 10:51 AM
Right.........
Yup.......Hi TriPod
TheRevSFA
October 27th, 2016, 10:52 AM
Yup.......Hi TriPod
"My Team: NYU"
That actually might be true
Thumper 76
October 27th, 2016, 10:54 AM
SHSU 6
CSU 1
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Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 10:57 AM
We do most of our damage in a quarter and a half.
It's sorta fun watching all the other teams fan leave at halftime, I guess you guys just keep everyone interested.
The two teams are coached differently also, we don't throw the ball around much in the 4th at all and its not because our back up is in. Unlike, EWU who is still throwing TD passes from the starter with a lead and a minute left in the game.
Daytripper
October 27th, 2016, 11:00 AM
It's sorta fun watching all the other teams fan leave at halftime, I guess you guys just keep everyone interested.
The two teams are coached differently also, we don't throw the ball around much in the 4th at all and its not because our back up is in. Unlike, EWU who is still throwing TD passes from the starter with a lead and a minute left in the game.
Of course, playing lots of backups early and often builds depth. I think we will be able to overcome an injury at most any position and still be a legit contender. We are that deep...especially on offense.
kalm
October 27th, 2016, 11:02 AM
It's sorta fun watching all the other teams fan leave at halftime, I guess you guys just keep everyone interested.
The two teams are coached differently also, we don't throw the ball around much in the 4th at all and its not because our back up is in. Unlike, EWU who is still throwing TD passes from the starter with a lead and a minute left in the game.
I honestly don't remember that unless it was a slim lead.
I do remember running it twice on 4th down inside the Davis 30 to run out the clock.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 11:04 AM
So do you think that Nebraska should be the #1 FBS team right now? Its basically the same situation.
Western Michigan or Boise St would probably be better examples but to answer your question no not #1 because there are better teams undefeated also in front of them. Nebraska should be #5 and if they win their next 2 should be #1.
milleniumkat
October 27th, 2016, 11:19 AM
So we should rank teams higher because they tried to play a better team? xlolx
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So UNI is awesome because we pounded Missouri State last week? Sweet!
No one is saying that, my whole deal is just to ask you guys to come up with the answer to how we should be viewed from here on out.
For example.
I have loads of respect for EWU, NDSU, JSU, SDSU etc. ..I know who they are..i know what their programs are capable of becaus i've seen it with me beady little eyes.
Therefore, should one of said teams end up with a really weak schedule and have been obliterating it, maybe it's just me...but i think it would be down right rude, snobby and ignorant to assume they are not capable of still being a top 2-3 team when that's basicallu haw said team ends up nearly every year historically over the last 5 regardless of schedules being weak.
At some point, people need to wake up and realize that SHSU can and will compete with the top teams for the title so you can basically throw out the schedule prior to the playoffs imho.
So i could really care less where we are ranked , Personally..i think EWU should be the #1 right now. But as some have suggested that shsu should barely be top 10 is nothing more than idiotic smack talk.
Playoffs will decide...no reason for FCs fans to bicker over rankings. Home vs away means very little at this level. with the type of offense EWU has, i would assume they would MUCH prefer to play in 50 degree weather in December in Huntsville rather than 5 degree in the snow vs SHSU who has just as strong a running game as a passing game.
But what the eff do i know?
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 11:20 AM
9 posts in a row....
Stop interrupting...it is rude.
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 11:23 AM
No because you don't take a team's opposition into account when evaluating them.
Why?
PantherRob82
October 27th, 2016, 11:26 AM
I thought the proof was in the computer, having ranked you so high?
I'm just using SHSU fan qualifications. The computers also love us.
blackfordpu
October 27th, 2016, 11:29 AM
No one is saying that, my whole deal is just to ask you guys to come up with the answer to how we should be viewed from here on out.
For example.
I have loads of respect for EWU, NDSU, JSU, SDSU etc. ..I know who they are..i know what their programs are capable of becaus i've seen it with me beady little eyes.
Therefore, should one of said teams end up with a really weak schedule and have been obliterating it, maybe it's just me...but i think it would be down right rude, snobby and ignorant to assume they are not capable of still being a top 2-3 team when that's basicallu haw said team ends up nearly every year historically over the last 5 regardless of schedules being weak.
At some point, people need to wake up and realize that SHSU can and will compete with the top teams for the title so you can basically throw out the schedule prior to the playoffs imho.
So i could really care less where we are ranked , Personally..i think EWU should be the #1 right now. But as some have suggested that shsu should barely be top 10 is nothing more than idiotic smack talk.
Playoffs will decide...no reason for FCs fans to bicker over rankings. Home vs away means very little at this level. with the type of offense EWU has, i would assume they would MUCH prefer to play in 50 degree weather in December in Huntsville rather than 5 degree in the snow vs SHSU who has just as strong a running game as a passing game.
But what the eff do i know?
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
Mk, stop trying logic and reason with these folks, they're not accustom to it.
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PantherRob82
October 27th, 2016, 11:29 AM
So i could really care less where we are ranked , Personally..i think EWU should be the #1 right now. But as some have suggested that shsu should barely be top 10 is nothing more than idiotic smack talk.
Playoffs will decide...no reason for FCs fans to bicker over rankings. Home vs away means very little at this level. with the type of offense EWU has, i would assume they would MUCH prefer to play in 50 degree weather in December in Huntsville rather than 5 degree in the snow vs SHSU who has just as strong a running game as a passing game.
But what the eff do i know?
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
It's actually "I couldn't care less", but your phrase might be more accurate. You obviously do care.
Here you guys are, drumming up support on Katfans and arguing. xlolx.
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 11:30 AM
I'm saying in the future. I've been here 11 years. I post whether or not UNI is good. Thus, not a Novemberist. ;)
I know you are in a different time zone, but you're a whole month off? xeyebrowx
PantherRob82
October 27th, 2016, 11:31 AM
Why?
Because remember when San Diego, Dayton, Jacksonville, etc go undefeated and get smoked when they play a real team? xlolx
PantherRob82
October 27th, 2016, 11:33 AM
Mk, stop trying logic and reason with these folks, they're not accustom to it.
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accustomed*
You guys use circular logic. An argument for why you guys are good is then turned against other teams. It's funny. Just stick with your "we're not worried about it" attitude and go back into hiding. xlolx
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I know you are in a different time zone, but you're a whole month off? xeyebrowx
It's a concept, not a time frame. November is next Tuesday, they are just early.
Thumper 76
October 27th, 2016, 11:36 AM
Playoffs will decide...no reason for FCs fans to bicker over rankings. Home vs away means very little at this level. with the type of offense EWU has, i would assume they would MUCH prefer to play in 50 degree weather in December in Huntsville rather than 5 degree in the snow vs SHSU who has just as strong a running game as a passing game.
Very little? Obviously somebody doesn't get sent to Fargo and Missoula every year. That must be nice.
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 11:36 AM
Petri dish
Education is a good thing, but someone has to mop the floors.
JSUSoutherner
October 27th, 2016, 11:42 AM
Education is a good thing, but someone has to mop the floors.
That's what Bearkat graduates are for.
CappinHard
October 27th, 2016, 11:43 AM
Nope should be based on results. But America is now a participation trophy type so SOS losses count now.
Well, the results show that Sammy has beat up a lot of bad teams. So based on that, I would say they shouldn't be ranked so high. Your participation trophy argument could go against you, because in my eyes by ranking SHSU so high, they are saying "Aww, it's ok SHSU, it doesn't matter that you haven't actually beat anyone, we're still going to award you for going through the motions".
Daytripper
October 27th, 2016, 11:51 AM
That's what Bearkat graduates are for.
I thought our job was to cure your STDs and meth addictions.
CappinHard
October 27th, 2016, 11:54 AM
Western Michigan or Boise St would probably be better examples but to answer your question no not #1 because there are better teams undefeated also in front of them. Nebraska should be #5 and if they win their next 2 should be #1.
You're definitely right... comparing a Southland team to a Big Ten team doesn't make sense. A more accurate comparison would definitely be to a Mountain West or Mid-American team. At least FBS is smart enough to not rank teams from lower conferencs that high because they realize they haven't proved anything because they don't play anyone worthwhile.
Bison56
October 27th, 2016, 11:55 AM
I thought our job was to cure your STDs and meth addictions.
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Bison56
October 27th, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mk, stop trying logic and reason with these folks, they're not accustom to it.
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YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 11:59 AM
So should they make excuses for your scheduling and reward you based on why it's weak or simply look at what your schedule is?
So you punish a team for its schedule instead of simply rewarding them for how good they are? xeyebrowx
Again, is it a pool about the teams or a poll about their schedules?
And don't say that you can't measure a team without them facing another so-called good team. If you know what you are looking at, you can effectively measure a team.
To say, as some have, that they won't put a team as number one because they do not play a tough schedule is an asinine statement. That is simply a cowardly and lazy way to look at things.
To say, as some have, that the schedule matters, but then not take into serious consideration how a team played their games, is also asinine.
I don't blame people for not having the time to watch more games...some people don't have that luxury or level of commitment. But to put up some silly, self-serving walls and engage in circle jerk thinking is definitely entertaining and pitiful at the same time.
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:01 PM
Size isn't the only factor is my point.
Did she tell you that?
Gangtackle11
October 27th, 2016, 12:01 PM
Well, the results show that Sammy has beat up a lot of bad teams. So based on that, I would say they shouldn't be ranked so high. Your participation trophy argument could go against you, because in my eyes by ranking SHSU so high, they are saying "Aww, it's ok SHSU, it doesn't matter that you haven't actually beat anyone, we're still going to award you for going through the motions".
The results are:
2011 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 17-6
2012 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 39-13
2013 FCS - 2nd round loss to SELA 30-29
2014 FCS - Semi-final loss to NDSU 35-3
2015 FCS - Semi-final loss to Jacksonville State 62-10
So who besides NDSU has a better FCS playoff run than SHSU? Just curious?
The "blame it on regionalization" & we have to play NDSU in Fargo excuse is coming in 1,2,3.....
Bison56
October 27th, 2016, 12:02 PM
Did she tell you that?
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Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 12:03 PM
Because remember when San Diego, Dayton, Jacksonville, etc go undefeated and get smoked when they play a real team? xlolx
Were they in the semi finals the year before that with most of that team coming back?
Man the SHSU conspiracy, I thought that year when we were 8-4 with a win against a no counter and still made the playoffs caused such an uproar. Welcome to 2016xsmiley_wix
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:04 PM
I mean if all that counts is winning then UNI should join a conference like the Pioneer and schedule strictly D2's for OOC. Then we can rack up wins and be ranked #1. It pretty much worked for SHSU.
Glad you picked the Pioneer...you guys wouldn't win any other conference.
Daytripper
October 27th, 2016, 12:05 PM
Did she tell you that?
https://media.giphy.com/media/mks5DcSGjhQ1a/giphy.gif
BisonTru
October 27th, 2016, 12:05 PM
The results are:
2011 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 17-6
2012 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 39-13
2013 FCS - 2nd round loss to SELA 30-29
2014 FCS - Semi-final loss to NDSU 35-3
2015 FCS - Semi-final loss to Jacksonville State 62-10
So who besides NDSU has a better FCS playoff run than SHSU? Just curious?
The "blame it on regionalization" & we have to play NDSU in Fargo excuse is coming in 1,2,3.....
Towson
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 12:06 PM
The results are:
2011 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 17-6
2012 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 39-13
2013 FCS - 2nd round loss to SELA 30-29
2014 FCS - Semi-final loss to NDSU 35-3
2015 FCS - Semi-final loss to Jacksonville State 62-10
So who besides NDSU has a better FCS playoff run than SHSU? Just curious?
Surely the committee won't look at that for this year?? It's rigged if they do because past years don't count unless you are NDSU or Jax St fan right???
UNIFanSince1983
October 27th, 2016, 12:06 PM
Glad you picked the Pioneer...you guys wouldn't win any other conference.
Ah funny thing is Delaware probably wouldn't even win the Pioneer.
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:09 PM
Because remember when San Diego, Dayton, Jacksonville, etc go undefeated and get smoked when they play a real team? xlolx
So you were unable to look at those teams, watch their games, and understand what you were looking at? xeyebrowx
That says a lot more about you than their schedules said about them.
BisonTru
October 27th, 2016, 12:11 PM
So you were unable to look at those teams, watch their games, and understand what you were looking at? xeyebrowx
That says a lot more about you than their schedules said about them.
From the kat that can allegedly watch a football game, and not know what stadium their playing in, or what conference they are from. xeyebrowx
JSUSoutherner
October 27th, 2016, 12:11 PM
Did she tell you that?
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23754&stc=1
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:11 PM
That's what Bearkat graduates are for.
No, no...I saw a commercial that said their people are doctors, lawyers, etc. Not a word about mopping.
Are you saying their marketing people are liars?
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 12:11 PM
Towson
xconfusedx 2011 loss to Lehigh in the first round and a loss in the finals in 2013. I would say EWU is a better answer than Towson
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:16 PM
Well, the results show that Sammy has beat up a lot of bad teams. So based on that, I would say they shouldn't be ranked so high. Your participation trophy argument could go against you, because in my eyes by ranking SHSU so high, they are saying "Aww, it's ok SHSU, it doesn't matter that you haven't actually beat anyone, we're still going to award you for going through the motions".
"So based on that..."
Hmmmm...based on that, and not the actual team's performance. xlolx
Thanks for identifying yourself as just another poster/voter that lacks the ability to actually judge a team, and so you default to the schedule argument.
Your mama is sooooooooooooooooo proud of you right now. xthumbsupx
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:20 PM
The results are:
2011 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 17-6
2012 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 39-13
2013 FCS - 2nd round loss to SELA 30-29
2014 FCS - Semi-final loss to NDSU 35-3
2015 FCS - Semi-final loss to Jacksonville State 62-10
So who besides NDSU has a better FCS playoff run than SHSU? Just curious?
The "blame it on regionalization" & we have to play NDSU in Fargo excuse is coming in 1,2,3.....
Stop it...the Jacks couldn't beat a Montana team that got destroyed by NDSU the very next game...but the Jacks, ummmm, the Jacks....ummmm...the Jacks play in the MVFC so they would have had a better run if....if...if...the world only saw things their way.
Thumper 76
October 27th, 2016, 12:26 PM
Stop it...the Jacks couldn't beat a Montana team that got destroyed by NDSU the very next game...but the Jacks, ummmm, the Jacks....ummmm...the Jacks play in the MVFC so they would have had a better run if....if...if...the world only saw things their way.
It's fun watching how much effort you put into trolling for mediocre results. You should take some notes from gangtackle
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UNIFanSince1983
October 27th, 2016, 12:28 PM
The results are:
2011 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 17-6
2012 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 39-13
2013 FCS - 2nd round loss to SELA 30-29
2014 FCS - Semi-final loss to NDSU 35-3
2015 FCS - Semi-final loss to Jacksonville State 62-10
So who besides NDSU has a better FCS playoff run than SHSU? Just curious?
The "blame it on regionalization" & we have to play NDSU in Fargo excuse is coming in 1,2,3.....
What does that have to do with this current year?
TheRevSFA
October 27th, 2016, 12:30 PM
It's fun watching how much effort you put into trolling for mediocre results. You should take some notes from gangtackle
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He also needs to wipe his mouth. He's got a little bit of K C Keeler's jizz left at the corners...
CappinHard
October 27th, 2016, 12:31 PM
"So based on that..."
Hmmmm...based on that, and not the actual team's performance. xlolx
Thanks for identifying yourself as just another poster/voter that lacks the ability to actually judge a team, and so you default to the schedule argument.
Your mama is sooooooooooooooooo proud of you right now. xthumbsupx
He said it should be based on results, so I stated the results thus far. I don't vote, but if I did I would take into account more than schedule, it's not like I'm saying that SHSU should be ranked 15th or something. All I'm saying is I think they need to prove something before being ranked #1. This year, they haven't proved much. Is it their fault their schedule is weak? No, but that doesn't mean we should overlook it. The same way we wouldn't overlook a team that has an extremely difficult schedule. If you want to put blinders on and rank teams based solely on current record, be my guest. If you do, it sounds like you are the one that lacks the ability to actually judge a team. Imho, they should be ranked somewhere in the 4-8 range based on what they've done so far and trying to gauge how good they are despite their schedule, which is a difficult thing to do.
Gangtackle11
October 27th, 2016, 12:32 PM
It's fun watching how much effort you put into trolling for mediocre results. You should take some notes from gangtackle
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ooh.....that's so hurtful. Please stop!
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:32 PM
Ah funny thing is Delaware probably wouldn't even win the Pioneer.
You are correct. But no one is giving us votes in the poll either. xlolx
You know what IS funny? Delaware's record against the big, bad MVFC. Now that is some hilariously funny stuff. xnodx
On a related note, it will be good to see UD back in the mix of things soon. Brock was a crock of ****, and anyone who knew anything about football recognized that from the very start. I have been very vocal about Brock's shortcomings, and it is a wonderful thing, AN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL THING, to have him gone. Kudos to our new AD...she canned the Bball coach and the football coach. Next time I see her I will buy her a drink. xbeerchugx
Unfortunately, our interim coach is another no talent clown who is making a bigger mistake at QB than UNI did (and some of you didn't think that was possible) by keeping Walker as a starter. Let me see...your head coach gets fired for being stubborn and stupid, so the best possible route for success is to follow the same formula. xeyebrowx
Anyway, UD will be back in the playoffs soon enough...and we might even get there before UNI. :D
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:33 PM
From the kat that can allegedly watch a football game, and not know what stadium their playing in, or what conference they are from. xeyebrowx
Are you still sticking with stupid stuff?
Keep up with the distractions if you think it helps your cause. xthumbsupx
CappinHard
October 27th, 2016, 12:34 PM
The results are:
2011 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 17-6
2012 FCS National Runner-up lost in championship to NDSU 39-13
2013 FCS - 2nd round loss to SELA 30-29
2014 FCS - Semi-final loss to NDSU 35-3
2015 FCS - Semi-final loss to Jacksonville State 62-10
So who besides NDSU has a better FCS playoff run than SHSU? Just curious?
The "blame it on regionalization" & we have to play NDSU in Fargo excuse is coming in 1,2,3.....
Why are you talking about who has had the better FCS playoff run? I'm talking about Sammy's 2016 season, that's it. Did you quote the wrong post or are you just stupid?
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:35 PM
xconfusedx 2011 loss to Lehigh in the first round and a loss in the finals in 2013. I would say EWU is a better answer than Towson
Ignore him...he isn't very good at this.
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:37 PM
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23754&stc=1
xbowx
JSUS gets a beer when we meet...even if it is one of those 7 ounce things. xthumbsupx
Thumper 76
October 27th, 2016, 12:37 PM
Ignore him...he isn't very good at this.
You aren't either xlolx You legitimately are in the race for largest lack of knowledge on the board with all the inaccurate garbage you've been spewing out recently.
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TheRevSFA
October 27th, 2016, 12:38 PM
So Cluck...let me ask you this..
I have !) EWU, 2) SHSU, 3) NDSU in my poll. Why should Sam be ranked higher than EWU?
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 12:38 PM
I'm talking about Sammy's 2016 season, that's it.
Well so far we haven't lost a game.....that may change but its been a good season so far.
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:40 PM
It's fun watching how much effort you put into trolling for mediocre results. You should take some notes from gangtackle
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Speaking of mediocre results...what has SDSU done in football? xeyebrowx
Oh, that's right...you play some tough teams and end up losing most of the time when it counts.
BONUS POINTS!!!
centennial
October 27th, 2016, 12:46 PM
Speaking of mediocre results...what has SDSU done in football? xeyebrowx
Oh, that's right...you play some tough teams and end up losing most of the time when it counts.
BONUS POINTS!!!
More than Delaware has recently. IMO I would take them over SHSU. They were a couple of unlucky twists from knocking off TCU, and did knock NDSU off. They also have wins over other ranked teams. Nothing that SHSU has done this year.
Gangtackle11
October 27th, 2016, 12:50 PM
Why are you talking about who has had the better FCS playoff run? I'm talking about Sammy's 2016 season, that's it. Did you quote the wrong post or are you just stupid?
Jenny Curran: Are you stupid or something?
Forrest Gump: Mama says, “Stupid is as stupid does.”
Now go back to feeding the pigs or whatever you do from SD.
Thumper 76
October 27th, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jenny Curran: Are you stupid or something?
Forrest Gump: Mama says, “Stupid is as stupid does.”
Now go back to feeding the pigs or whatever you do from SD.
Pigs are Iowa bruh.
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YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:53 PM
He said it should be based on results, so I stated the results thus far. I don't vote, but if I did I would take into account more than schedule, it's not like I'm saying that SHSU should be ranked 15th or something. All I'm saying is I think they need to prove something before being ranked #1. This year, they haven't proved much. Is it their fault their schedule is weak? No, but that doesn't mean we should overlook it. The same way we wouldn't overlook a team that has an extremely difficult schedule. If you want to put blinders on and rank teams based solely on current record, be my guest. If you do, it sounds like you are the one that lacks the ability to actually judge a team. Imho, they should be ranked somewhere in the 4-8 range based on what they've done so far and trying to gauge how good they are despite their schedule, which is a difficult thing to do.
No,this is what you said: "Well, the results show that Sammy has beat up a lot of bad teams. So based on that, I would say they shouldn't be ranked so high."
And I did not say that I rank teams based solely on their recor
However, I can understand why you would want to blur the discussion and backtrack from your statement.
So we all understand your logic, what, specifically, makes SHSU worthy of a 4-8 range and not a 1-3 range? Surely there must be something you've actually witnessed that doesn't place them #9. Hey, that's a good one...what makes SHSU better than your number 9 or 10? And what makes them not as good as your number 3...and/or your number 7? xeyebrowx
Gangtackle11
October 27th, 2016, 12:54 PM
Pigs are Iowa bruh.
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No pigs zone in SD? Who knew?
YoUDeeMan
October 27th, 2016, 12:55 PM
You aren't either xlolx You legitimately are in the race for largest lack of knowledge on the board with all the inaccurate garbage you've been spewing out recently.
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Go ahead...make my day. What inaccuracies? Feel free to quote me. xthumbsupx
Catbooster
October 27th, 2016, 12:59 PM
Wow. 43 pages in a couple days!
Did I miss anything in the middle 30+ pages, or has this all been about where Sammy should be ranked within the top 10 about 2/3 of the way through the season?
PantherRob82
October 27th, 2016, 01:00 PM
So you were unable to look at those teams, watch their games, and understand what you were looking at? xeyebrowx
That says a lot more about you than their schedules said about them.
They blew teams out too.
Thumper 76
October 27th, 2016, 01:02 PM
Go ahead...make my day. What inaccuracies? Feel free to quote me. xthumbsupx
I've already done it and you blissfully skip by because you're just here to blither and shout like the twat you are. So I'm not doing it again.
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Thumper 76
October 27th, 2016, 01:03 PM
Wow. 43 pages in a couple days!
Did I miss anything in the middle 30+ pages, or has this all been about where Sammy should be ranked within the top 10 about 2/3 of the way through the season?
Don't read it. Seriously.
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milleniumkat
October 27th, 2016, 01:08 PM
accustomed*
You guys use circular logic. An argument for why you guys are good is then turned against other teams. It's funny. Just stick with your "we're not worried about it" attitude and go back into hiding. xlolx
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It's a concept, not a time frame. November is next Tuesday, they are just early.
Riiiiiight....None of the folks on the other side of the fence have ran their arguments in circles. lol. wow.
But in fact, when i've posed honest comments to some all they come back with is "62-10" and yet you STILL respect that retort more than a circular argument? Hey bro, at least i'm trying. lol. No credit?
My problem is the vast gap of extremes that some folks on here view shsu. I would have ZERO problem being the #3 behind 1. EWU 2. NDSU, but JSU's schedule minus an un winnable LSU game, is only nominally more difficult than shsu and they have been only Nominally above average. So i can't accept being behind them in any ranking, or thought process. None.
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
milleniumkat
October 27th, 2016, 01:10 PM
Towson
hahshshahahaha. who is that? lol. do they still have a team?
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
Katfan
October 27th, 2016, 01:11 PM
No, no...I saw a commercial that said their people are doctors, lawyers, etc. Not a word about mopping.
Are you saying their marketing people are liars?
Honestly most are in law enforcement and teachers but there are plenty that have been very successful!
milleniumkat
October 27th, 2016, 01:12 PM
He also needs to wipe his mouth. He's got a little bit of K C Keeler's jizz left at the corners...
Yeah well Conque Sr and Jr both still have a mouth full of KCK COCK...he ain't even done yet.
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
milleniumkat
October 27th, 2016, 01:14 PM
Speaking of mediocre results...what has SDSU done in football? xeyebrowx
Oh, that's right...you play some tough teams and end up losing most of the time when it counts.
BONUS POINTS!!!
They only celebrate "good losses" when the losing team is from the MVFC
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
milleniumkat
October 27th, 2016, 01:16 PM
I can't wait to read the laundry list of excuses that spew forth like a Peter North money shot from every disrespectful NDSU and MVFC football fan when there is a non MVFC team walking off with the Title.
I just hope i live long enough to see it. 😔
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
Gangtackle11
October 27th, 2016, 01:28 PM
I can't wait to read the laundry list of excuses that spew forth like a Peter North money shot from every disrespectful NDSU and MVFC football fan when there is a non MVFC team walking off with the Title.
I just hope i live long enough to see it.
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
Speaking only for myself, I have never wrote a disrespectful thing about NDSU. They are on a historical run through the FCS.
The rest of the MVFC looks like everyone else just we don't make the excuses.
If that's disrespectful than so be it. I can live with it.
MVFC is a solid conference, but NDSU is the only bully in the playground from what I see. The rest of the MVFC have to prove it with a FCS championship or continue to stand behind the bully & cheer them on.
Gangtackle11
October 27th, 2016, 01:32 PM
I can't wait to read the laundry list of excuses that spew forth like a Peter North money shot from every disrespectful NDSU and MVFC football fan when there is a non MVFC team walking off with the Title.
I just hope i live long enough to see it.
Unless you are 5 years or younger you already have & on a yearly basis.
CappinHard
October 27th, 2016, 01:37 PM
Wow. 43 pages in a couple days!
Did I miss anything in the middle 30+ pages, or has this all been about where Sammy should be ranked within the top 10 about 2/3 of the way through the season?
Nope, that pretty much sums it up.
flyrod
October 27th, 2016, 01:40 PM
Nope, that pretty much sums it up.
Yup!
CappinHard
October 27th, 2016, 01:43 PM
So we all understand your logic, what, specifically, makes SHSU worthy of a 4-8 range and not a 1-3 range? Surely there must be something you've actually witnessed that doesn't place them #9. Hey, that's a good one...what makes SHSU better than your number 9 or 10? And what makes them not as good as your number 3...and/or your number 7? xeyebrowx
It's not that hard. They are a good team, but haven't done enough for me to put them that high. Again, not their fault they have an easy schedule, but that doesn't mean they should be ranked that high. If they had a more difficult schedule, I don't doubt that they could still be undefeated, and in that case, I wouldn't have a problem with ranking them 1-3. We could play theoretical scenarios all day though, it doesn't do us any good. All you can do is look at what has happened, and based on that, they're 4-8 in my book. Sorry if you don't like it.
BisonTru
October 27th, 2016, 02:18 PM
hahshshahahaha. who is that? lol. do they still have a team?
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked all over your grave"
Yep, they do and they also have made it farther in the playoffs then your Bearkats in the past three seasons. BTW, if you stick around here you'll learn a lot about the FCS landscape that might allow you to peak around your orange colored glasses and quit being an uber homer.
Are you still sticking with stupid stuff?
Keep up with the distractions if you think it helps your cause. xthumbsupx
Stupid stuff like almost everyone of your posts. Anybody with a two cent head can tell by your posts that you don't watch much FCS football outside of Sammy, and really I think even that is just a wank session as you stare at Keeler on the sidelines.
UNIFanSince1983
October 27th, 2016, 02:24 PM
Speaking only for myself, I have never wrote a disrespectful thing about NDSU. They are on a historical run through the FCS.
The rest of the MVFC looks like everyone else just we don't make the excuses.
If that's disrespectful than so be it. I can live with it.
MVFC is a solid conference, but NDSU is the only bully in the playground from what I see. The rest of the MVFC have to prove it with a FCS championship or continue to stand behind the bully & cheer them on.
So 2014 doesn't count for anything? The one time we get the two best in the MVFC not on the same side of the bracket and they are both in the championship.
I will be the first to admit the MVFC is down this year. I have no idea why anyone thinks this has anything to do with our conference. The whole argument is SHSU hasn't proven anything, and probably shouldn't be #1. Obviously the majority of people on this board agree otherwise they would be #1 in the AGS poll. Instead they are 4th here. Which is probably about right.
Daytripper
October 27th, 2016, 02:27 PM
The thread that will never die::::::::
https://media.giphy.com/media/LAFShX32UwUj6/giphy.gif
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 02:31 PM
Yep, they do and they also have made it farther in the playoffs then your Bearkats in the past three seasons.
In your fantasy world? What team did they beat in the playoffs last season? I may have to try whatever you're on, now I understand where your posts are coming from.
The Pud
October 27th, 2016, 02:34 PM
Well, the results show that Sammy has beat up a lot of bad teams. So based on that, I would say they shouldn't be ranked so high. Your participation trophy argument could go against you, because in my eyes by ranking SHSU so high, they are saying "Aww, it's ok SHSU, it doesn't matter that you haven't actually beat anyone, we're still going to award you for going through the motions".
Seems most of the FCS Coaches and Major Sports Write are of the opinion Sammy is the best team in the land.
xthumbsupx
BisonTru
October 27th, 2016, 02:38 PM
In your fantasy world? What team did they beat in the playoffs last season? I may have to try whatever you're on, now I understand where your posts are coming from.
In my fantasy world Bearkat fans can actually figure out the quote function. You have over 1700 posts on this site. xeyebrowx
CappinHard
October 27th, 2016, 02:48 PM
Seems most of the FCS Coaches and Major Sports Write are of the opinion Sammy is the best team in the land.
xthumbsupx
Holy balls, just stfu. This whole thread is about how a lot of people think that the polls where Sammy is rated as the best team are a joke, and this is what you are going to contribute?
Thumper 76
October 27th, 2016, 02:49 PM
Seems most of the FCS Coaches and Major Sports Write are of the opinion Sammy is the best team in the land.
xthumbsupx
Hey look another one proving to be an idiot.
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kalm
October 27th, 2016, 02:55 PM
If Central Arkansas beats Sam can you dare place them ahead in the polls? I mean they both would have just one loss, Sam has all that talent back, they did really well in previous years, and they pass the eyeball test against Houston Baptist.
Nope...I think you'd still have to rank Sam over them.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 03:04 PM
In my fantasy world Bearkat fans can actually figure out the quote function. You have over 1700 posts on this site. xeyebrowx
Having a hard time who said what in this thread? It is getting a bit long but try and keep up, I will put your name out there so you can remember saying it.
BisonTru
October 27th, 2016, 03:08 PM
Having a hard time who said what in this thread? It is getting a bit long but try and keep up, I will put your name out there so you can remember saying it.
Hey look, you figured it out. I'm proud of you. xthumbsupx
TheRevSFA
October 27th, 2016, 03:09 PM
So if UCA beats Sam, how far should Sam fall in the polls?
The Pud
October 27th, 2016, 03:10 PM
Holy balls, just stfu. This whole thread is about how a lot of people think that the polls where Sammy is rated as the best team are a joke, and this is what you are going to contribute?
Yes sir, so get use to it :D
Bison56
October 27th, 2016, 03:12 PM
Yes sir, so get use to it :D
I remember when I was 12.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 03:17 PM
Hey look, you figured it out. I'm proud of you. xthumbsupx
And quick also. Still looking for who Towson played last year in the playoffs?
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 03:20 PM
So if UCA beats Sam, how far should Sam fall in the polls?
Lots of football to be played before then. No need to jump ahead just yet.
CappinHard
October 27th, 2016, 03:24 PM
Lots of football to be played before then. No need to jump ahead just yet.
Yes... plenty of cupcakes to munch on before the only difficult game of the season.
http://www.tiptoptens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/0bbc6b41967985cf56d7f4c07bae09806dc64b617e650491c1 a9c75233cc3c1b.jpg
BisonTru
October 27th, 2016, 03:28 PM
And quick also. Still looking for who Towson played last year in the playoffs?
Why? They didn't get in last year. Had they gotten Colgate and SUU at home and McNeese they would have probably made it just as far as your Kitties.
The Pud
October 27th, 2016, 03:31 PM
Yes... plenty of cupcakes to munch on before the only difficult game of the season.
http://www.tiptoptens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/0bbc6b41967985cf56d7f4c07bae09806dc64b617e650491c1 a9c75233cc3c1b.jpg
looks like someone is green with envy.
xsmiley_wix
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 03:31 PM
Why? They didn't get in last year. Had they gotten Colgate and SUU at home and McNeese they would have probably made it just as far as your Kitties.
But they couldn't beat James Madison who got beat by Colgate IN the playoffs
The Pud
October 27th, 2016, 03:33 PM
But they couldn't beat James Madison who got beat by Colgate IN the playoffs
Colgate was terrible team last year. I was surprised how relatively easily their playoff experience was until they met Sammy.
BisonTru
October 27th, 2016, 03:34 PM
But they couldn't beat James Madison who got beat by Colgate IN the playoffs
Without Vad Lee.
CappinHard
October 27th, 2016, 03:38 PM
looks like someone is green with envy.
xsmiley_wix
Yes, you pegged it. xsalutex
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 03:45 PM
Yes... plenty of cupcakes to munch on before the only difficult game of the season.
http://www.tiptoptens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/0bbc6b41967985cf56d7f4c07bae09806dc64b617e650491c1 a9c75233cc3c1b.jpg
So what makes them a difficult game? Because they beat a lowly FBS 2-4 team? They pretty much play the same schedule as Sam. I know it must be the loss to Samford. I keep forgetting good losses count.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 03:51 PM
Without Vad Lee.
Gotcha, forgive me I am used to watching a team with a few playmakers not just one.
kalm
October 27th, 2016, 03:53 PM
So what makes them a difficult game? Because they beat a lowly FBS 2-4 team? They pretty much play the same schedule as Sam. I know it must be the loss to Samford. I keep forgetting good losses count.
Yep...OKPU and TSU are pretty much the same as Samford and USU.
CappinHard
October 27th, 2016, 03:59 PM
So what makes them a difficult game? Because they beat a lowly FBS 2-4 team? They pretty much play the same schedule as Sam. I know it must be the loss to Samford. I keep forgetting good losses count.
It's a difficult game comparatively when you look at the rest of your opponents. If you compare it to the rest of the FCS, probably not that difficult, you're right, so you agree you have an incredibly easy schedule then?
UNIFanSince1983
October 27th, 2016, 04:02 PM
It's a difficult game comparatively when you look at the rest of your opponents. If you compare it to the rest of the FCS, probably not that difficult, you're right, so you agree you have an incredibly easy schedule then?
I mean they are the only team on the schedule that currently has a winning record...
TheRevSFA
October 27th, 2016, 04:03 PM
It's a difficult game comparatively when you look at the rest of your opponents. If you compare it to the rest of the FCS, probably not that difficult, you're right, so you agree you have an incredibly easy schedule then?
230th ranked schedule out of 253 teams would say yes.
Also per the ratings, Sam has the easiest schedule in the SLC.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 04:07 PM
Yep...OKPU and TSU are pretty much the same as Samford and USU.
I didn't state they were the same but UCA didn't beat Samford? I am missing the losing games make you a better team concept. So the answer to my question must be they beat a lowly FBS team is what makes them difficult. Dang, if Nicholls could have pulled that Georgia upset we would have beat a difficult team before we faced that UCA team
centennial
October 27th, 2016, 04:09 PM
230th ranked schedule out of 253 teams would say yes.
Sorry. Can't use logic. You see SHSU did well the last few years. So this year they can play a D2 level schedule and still be FCS #1.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 04:16 PM
It's a difficult game comparatively when you look at the rest of your opponents. If you compare it to the rest of the FCS, probably not that difficult, you're right, so you agree you have an incredibly easy schedule then?
I never have disagreed with the weak schedule but I don't credit teams for losing. I was just wondering what made UCA a difficult game. If Sam wins then I don't see it as any different than beating SFA, Lamar or any other team. Perhaps if we are down at some point in that game I may agree they are difficult but we are a few weeks away from that game.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 04:21 PM
Sorry. Can't use logic. You see SHSU did well the last few years. So this year they can play a D2 level schedule and still be FCS #1.
Logic ?? Use whatever you want to try and disprove reality because Sam played a D2 school and is #1 in the FCS, at least this week.
TheKingpin28
October 27th, 2016, 04:44 PM
Logic ?? Use whatever you want to try and disprove reality because Sam played a D2 school and is #1 in the FCS, at least this week.
It's the stats poll which is about as useful as the czar's knowledge of football.
/endthread
Grizalltheway
October 27th, 2016, 04:45 PM
/endthread
Oh God, if only. xlolx
Nope
October 27th, 2016, 04:56 PM
Just got on here. 49 pages for polls that EVERYBODY knows are meaningless?
Interesting.
Sam Houston deserves to be 1 in the meaningless poll. They've earned respect and have a powerful offense.
They won't be #1 seed, because their resume won't suggest they should be.
There's a 24-team playoff system that settles all of this, last time I checked.
TheKingpin28
October 27th, 2016, 05:04 PM
Just got on here. 49 pages for polls that EVERYBODY knows are meaningless?
Interesting.
Sam Houston deserves to be 1 in the meaningless poll. They've earned respect and have a powerful offense.
They won't be #1 seed, because their resume won't suggest they should be.
There's a 24-team playoff system that settles all of this, last time I checked.
xlmaox
BamKat
October 27th, 2016, 05:11 PM
Just got on here. 49 pages for polls that EVERYBODY knows are meaningless?
Interesting.
Sam Houston deserves to be 1 in the meaningless poll. They've earned respect and have a powerful offense.
They won't be #1 seed, because their resume won't suggest they should be.
There's a 24-team playoff system that settles all of this, last time I checked.
SHSU 6
CSU 1
MVFC 1
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 05:11 PM
It's the stats poll which is about as useful as the czar's knowledge of football.
/endthread
Could be right but pull up your team's football site and see the #4 ranking on the schedule. Useful or not that is the poll 95% of the nation uses for FCS.
Thumper 76
October 27th, 2016, 05:12 PM
Just got on here. 49 pages for polls that EVERYBODY knows are meaningless?
Interesting.
Sam Houston deserves to be 1 in the meaningless poll. They've earned respect and have a powerful offense.
They won't be #1 seed, because their resume won't suggest they should be.
There's a 24-team playoff system that settles all of this, last time I checked.
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23755&stc=1
TheKingpin28
October 27th, 2016, 05:15 PM
Could be right but pull up your team's football site and see the #4 ranking on the schedule. Useful or not that is the poll 95% of the nation uses for FCS.
I would like to see this 95% stat verified.
kalm
October 27th, 2016, 05:17 PM
I didn't state they were the same but UCA didn't beat Samford? I am missing the losing games make you a better team concept. So the answer to my question must be they beat a lowly FBS team is what makes them difficult. Dang, if Nicholls could have pulled that Georgia upset we would have beat a difficult team before we faced that UCA team
Oh. I thought you said they "pretty much played the same schedule."
clenz
October 27th, 2016, 05:17 PM
Here's some fun...to draw two threads together and since outside people love to bring UNI into things.
I wanted to see what UNI *might* do against SHSU's schedule. UNI is currently 3-4 and not ranked. UNI has played 4 teams currently in the AGS top 25 (#1, #14, #15, #22). Plays #3 this weekend and has a game against #7 and #13 left this year.
Anyway...
UNI isn't ranked because they are 3-4. I'm not arguing they should be ranked. I didn't vote for them. SHSU thinks they are #1 because they haven't lost. To an extent that's tough to argue.
I was curious what might happen if they switched schedules. Thanks to computer simulations we have an answer....kind of....in theory
UNI playing SHSU's schedule would be 7-0. Total scores of the games would be 288-44 (42-6 would be the average score). Most points given up would be 11 and.
Results (SHSU results in ())
OKPSU 61-0 (59-21)
@ Lamar 24-8 (44-31)
@ HBU 38-0 (52-16)
N SFA 42-8 (63-28)
H ACU 44-11 (48-21)
@ NSU 36-10 (38-21)
SHSU against UNI's schedule? Also 3-4. Average score of the UNI games on this schedule is 30-20. Average predicted score for SHSU against the schedule? 42-43
@ IaSU - 33-42 (25-20)
H Mon - 45-48 (14-20)
@ EWU - 44-61 (30-34)
H SIU - 47-37 (42-21)
@ USD - 47-44 (25-28)
@ YSU - 28-37 (10-14)
H MSU - 50-31 (61-7)
Turns out, SHSU and UNI might be equal teams but SOS can play a MAJOR impact on how a team is perceived.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 05:24 PM
Oh. I thought you said they "pretty much played the same schedule."
I was talking about the SLC
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 05:27 PM
I would like to see this 95% stat verified.
It's either that or the worse Coach's poll, please show me where it isn't the case. University webpages uses it, ESPN uses it, newspapers use it.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 05:29 PM
SHSU thinks they are #1
We don't think we are, right or wrong the fact remains Sam is #1.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 05:33 PM
I am bored with this thread so until next week when the next STAT poll comes out and more people continue to whine about it I'm done with this one.
Katfan
October 27th, 2016, 05:35 PM
So if UCA beats Sam, how far should Sam fall in the polls?
Assuming both continue to win and both enter the game with a 1 loss UCA team. I think by then UCA will be in the 8 - 12 range assuming some other teams lose by then probably down to 8-12 depending on how the game goes. Are they competitive or do they get blown out? Lots of football by a lot of teams before then. Your thoughts?
Nope
October 27th, 2016, 05:37 PM
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23755&stc=1
Good job. You know how to use a meme of a rapper that you've most likely never listened to. 2016 has been real kind to you.
When I say SHSU "earned it," I mean the fact they were preseason #2 and moved up a slot when NDSU — who I think is the best team in the country — lost.
Let's stop giving the STATS voters more credit than they deserve. This isn't FBS where everybody gets to watch the top teams in the country week in and week out. Very little intel outside of their particular conference. Plus maybe they don't give a damn about the voting process and decide, "Hey, who cares? There's a playoff to decide it all."
BisonTru
October 27th, 2016, 05:38 PM
I am bored with this thread so until next week when the next STAT poll comes out and more people continue to whine about it I'm done with this one.
Great! We got that to look forward to. The once a week debate that Sammy fans tell us they're the best team in the country because a poll that gave significant points to Montana St says so.
CappinHard
October 27th, 2016, 05:44 PM
We don't think we are, right or wrong the fact remains Sam is #1.
When you say "We don't think we are", I assume you're talking about the SHSU fans, including posters on here who are arguing over the fact that their #1 ranking is justified. If you and your fans don't think SHSU is #1, then wtf have we been talking about this whole time?!?!?!
Katfan
October 27th, 2016, 05:58 PM
Here's some fun...to draw two threads together and since outside people love to bring UNI into things.
I wanted to see what UNI *might* do against SHSU's schedule. UNI is currently 3-4 and not ranked. UNI has played 4 teams currently in the AGS top 25 (#1, #14, #15, #22). Plays #3 this weekend and has a game against #7 and #13 left this year.
Anyway...
UNI isn't ranked because they are 3-4. I'm not arguing they should be ranked. I didn't vote for them. SHSU thinks they are #1 because they haven't lost. To an extent that's tough to argue.
I was curious what might happen if they switched schedules. Thanks to computer simulations we have an answer....kind of....in theory
UNI playing SHSU's schedule would be 7-0. Total scores of the games would be 288-44 (42-6 would be the average score). Most points given up would be 11 and.
Results (SHSU results in ())
OKPSU 61-0 (59-21)
@ Lamar 24-8 (44-31)
@ HBU 38-0 (52-16)
N SFA 42-8 (63-28)
H ACU 44-11 (48-21)
@ NSU 36-10 (38-21)
SHSU against UNI's schedule? Also 3-4. Average score of the UNI games on this schedule is 30-20. Average predicted score for SHSU against the schedule? 42-43
@ IaSU - 33-42 (25-20)
H Mon - 45-48 (14-20)
@ EWU - 44-61 (30-34)
H SIU - 47-37 (42-21)
@ USD - 47-44 (25-28)
@ YSU - 28-37 (10-14)
H MSU - 50-31 (61-7)
Turns out, SHSU and UNI might be equal teams but SOS can play a MAJOR impact on how a team is perceived.
God I hate to enter this tread and I'm not trying argue either way, but one potential problem with the above analysis is you are looking at data and assuming it is representative of the teams ability. Consider for example that Sam had played the entire game to maximize the result. For example, take Lamar Sam was ahead 30-3 at half, the final score in that game is not a representation of how much better Sam is over Lamar. That is true for ever game. If you adjust and use 3rd quarter results. Btw, that would be generous because Sam has basically not even attempted to score in the 4th qtr of a game. But if you do that, you will find a much different result. The computer would tell you that Sam won every game on your schedule and only a couple of them would have been close because the system you are relying on to make your argument considers margin of victory and assumes that it is the maximal effort by both teams or in some cases limits it to 28 points. I'm not saying that makes it correct but I do think it is something to consider when using computer based rankings to argue that Sam isn't a good team. That is wby it is so hard to tell how good or bad we are. Good luck with the rest of the season, I for one would love to see you guys make the playoffs.
Sammy94
October 27th, 2016, 05:59 PM
When you say "We don't think we are", I assume you're talking about the SHSU fans, including posters on here who are arguing over the fact that their #1 ranking is justified. If you and your fans don't think SHSU is #1, then wtf have we been talking about this whole time?!?!?!
Dammit you got me back in. I don't think SHSU are #1, I have them ranked 3rd in my AGS poll. I stated the fact that the STAT poll thinks we are #1 and who I am to say they are wrong because their opinion is different than mine??
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