STATS Poll: 9/19/16

[kdinva]

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/polls.asp?week=04&div=1aa



Rank
School
Votes
Prev


1
North Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0309) (3-0)
4175 (167)
1


2
Sam Houston State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0184) (2-0)
3888
3


3
Jacksonville State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0247) (2-1)
3793
4


4
Eastern Washington (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0113) (2-1)
3502
8


5
Chattanooga (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0177) (3-0)
3493
6


6
Montana (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0116) (2-0)
3398
7


7
Richmond (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0198) (2-1)
2730
2


8
William & Mary (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0200) (2-1)
2594
13


9
Illinois State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0121) (2-1)
2390
5


10
Citadel (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0172) (3-0)
2378
15


11
James Madison (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0196) (2-1)
2342
11


12
Charleston Southern (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0211) (1-2)
2335
12


13
Western Illinois (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0126) (2-0)
2119
16


14
UNI (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0123) (1-2)
2099
10


15
South Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0312) (1-2)
1499
9


16
Youngstown State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0225) (2-1)
1254
20


17
Coastal Carolina (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2316) (2-1)
1220
17


18
Eastern Illinois (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0120) (2-1)
1212
NR


19
Villanova (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0199) (2-1)
1171
21


20
Stony Brook (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0629) (2-1)
1124
NR


21
North Carolina A&T (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0148) (2-1)
846
18


22
Albany (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0546) (3-0)
836
25


23
Colgate (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0160) (1-1)
712
23


24
McNeese (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0180) (1-2)
612
14


25
Portland State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0257) (1-2)
542
19


Others: Northern Arizona (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0118) (407) , Cal Poly (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0108) (383) , Harvard (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0131) (277) , Stephen F. Austin (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0186) (162) , Samford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0218) (161) , Grambling State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0189) (155) , Fordham (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0161) (80) , Southern Utah (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0111) (65) , Dartmouth (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0130) (62) , Nicholls (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0181) (45) , North Dakota (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0308) (41) , Tennessee State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0157) (28) , New Hampshire (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0205) (27) , Towson (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0221) (27) , Delaware (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0195) (18) , Eastern Kentucky (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0151) (13) , Wofford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0267) (11) , Central Arkansas (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0268) (11) , Montana State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0117) (9) , ETSU (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0173) (7) , Southern Illinois (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0124) (6) , Sacred Heart (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0259) (6) , Alcorn State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0188) (4) , Missouri State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0125) (2) , Liberty (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0215) (2) , Indiana State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0122) (1) , Mercer (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2597) (1)

[Thumper 76]

SDSU stupid high, WTF is ISUr doing so much higher than EIU who just beat them?

[Catbooster]

SDSU stupid high, WTF is ISUr doing so much higher than EIU who just beat them?
Same thing SDSU is doing way above Cal-Poly xthumbsupx

[Twentysix]

Same thing SDSU is doing way above Cal-Poly xthumbsupx

Ok so both those games were really close.

Stony Brook just ****bagged Richmond 42-14 and Richmond is 13 spots higher than Stonybrook? AGS poll just committed the same ridiculous error. It was game 3 people, these teams are not established by any means.

[Thumper 76]

Same thing SDSU is doing way above Cal-Poly xthumbsupx

Hey, did you see my post about that? So shove it up your ass next time you try to call me out without being able to read.

[Catbooster]

Hey, did you see my post about that? So shove it up your ass next time you try to call me out without being able to read.
Easy there big fella - kinda touchy today?

[ST_Lawson]

ORV: Missouri State
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um.....what?

[nodak651]

What exactly has Portland State done to deserve being ranked? Cal Poly got shafted.

[Twentysix]

What exactly has Portland State done to deserve being ranked? Cal Poly got shafted.

Lose to UNI in the playoffs. That's it really.

[Twentysix]

There is something seriously wrong with AGS right now. The latency to the website is unreal, it is like it is being hosted on the moon.

[Thumper 76]

Easy there big fella - kinda touchy today?
Yeah, sorry. Seeing the polls plus adding it to how SDSU played last we had made me saltier than the Dead Sea. My bad.

[eiu1999]

SDSU stupid high, WTF is ISUr doing so much higher than EIU who just beat them?


EIU wasn't even ranked, can't move them up 20 slots.

[Twentysix]

EIU wasn't even ranked, can't move them up 20 slots.

But why wasn't EIU ranked? And why can't you move them up 20 slots? xpeacex

[nodak651]

But why wasn't EIU ranked? And why can't you move them up 20 slots? xpeacex

Agree with this. In theory, the polls this early could have just been wrong. It's stupid how difficult it is for some teams to move up/down due to preseason guesses.

[F'N Hawks]

AGS has usually been good but this poll is rough. Portland State....wut? Richmond #7......Stony Brook #20.....Poly not ranked.....NAU more votes than Poly.....McNeese still ranked?

[Twentysix]

AGS has usually been good but this poll is rough. Portland State....wut? Richmond #7......Stony Brook #20.....Poly not ranked.....NAU more votes than Poly.....McNeese still ranked?

This is a media poll not the AGS poll.

[FCSwatcher]

Not enough data so,all polls are a mess. Early in the season people rely on reputation and last year. Polls would be better if they did not start until the 4th or 5th week. This will stop the problem of people being afraid to move teams because their ego got in the way

If you start a poll right away, and there isn't a lot of movement up and down by most of the teams, you are either a God or doing something wrong


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[Professor Chaos]

Polls would be better if they did not start until the 4th or 5th week.
I've heard this refrain a lot at both the FCS and FBS levels of college football but I don't buy it. Having voted in the AGS poll for 5 years now I've found that how my poll balloting gets better is by critical review. The earlier you start polls the earlier you can get (hopefully) constructive critical review of your poll ballot. I think if you waited until the 4th or 5th week to start the poll you'd still have garbage for the first few weeks the poll is released until voters settle in and have the critical discussion needed to be more objective.

[veinup]

broken record: montana is absurdly high on this list.

[FCSwatcher]

I've heard this refrain a lot at both the FCS and FBS levels of college football but I don't buy it. Having voted in the AGS poll for 5 years now I've found that how my poll balloting gets better is by critical review. The earlier you start polls the earlier you can get (hopefully) constructive critical review of your poll ballot. I think if you waited until the 4th or 5th week to start the poll you'd still have garbage for the first few weeks the poll is released until voters settle in and have the critical discussion needed to be more objective.

It is really very simple. Statistically it only makes sense


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

I've heard this refrain a lot at both the FCS and FBS levels of college football but I don't buy it. Having voted in the AGS poll for 5 years now I've found that how my poll balloting gets better is by critical review. The earlier you start polls the earlier you can get (hopefully) constructive critical review of your poll ballot. I think if you waited until the 4th or 5th week to start the poll you'd still have garbage for the first few weeks the poll is released until voters settle in and have the critical discussion needed to be more objective.

BOOM. Nailed it. I used to be of the other thinking but it comes from those that don't vote for the most part. Once I started voting I realized how much more I actually learned through the first few weeks of discussion. Your 5th week poll is much better than a poll that started in the 5th week would be.

[veinup]

i may have asked this before, but how much time to you guys spend on your polls on average?

[clenz]

i may have asked this before, but how much time to you guys spend on your polls on average?

Last week? Name out of a hat

Normal week 2 to 3 hours

[Twentysix]

i may have asked this before, but how much time to you guys spend on your polls on average?

2-4 hours. Some weeks go fast though.

[Mayville Bison]

I've heard this refrain a lot at both the FCS and FBS levels of college football but I don't buy it. Having voted in the AGS poll for 5 years now I've found that how my poll balloting gets better is by critical review. The earlier you start polls the earlier you can get (hopefully) constructive critical review of your poll ballot. I think if you waited until the 4th or 5th week to start the poll you'd still have garbage for the first few weeks the poll is released until voters settle in and have the critical discussion needed to be more objective.

As a first time voter, I really agree with this. The first few weeks were tough, but I learned a ton from discussions last year and early this year. We all know the early season polls mean very little, but it helps to talk about the teams. If there was no poll until week 5 and (insert non-traditional power) starts out 4-0 (or 3-1 with an FBS loss), they would probably fall in the late teens/early twenties instead of the top 10 due to the discussion.

[Catbooster]

I've heard this refrain a lot at both the FCS and FBS levels of college football but I don't buy it. Having voted in the AGS poll for 5 years now I've found that how my poll balloting gets better is by critical review. The earlier you start polls the earlier you can get (hopefully) constructive critical review of your poll ballot. I think if you waited until the 4th or 5th week to start the poll you'd still have garbage for the first few weeks the poll is released until voters settle in and have the critical discussion needed to be more objective.

I agree. Everyone knows the early weeks are not accurate, but it gives us something to discuss and argue over. It also provides a better framework for those discussions. The early weeks are good preparation for the mid and later weeks.

[Catbooster]

i may have asked this before, but how much time to you guys spend on your polls on average?
I follow scores/watch games most of the day Saturday, which I did anyway before I voted. It seems like some here watch 10 FCS games a weekend. I don't get to see that many. I go to all of our home games (which means several hours before the game tailgating xdrunkyx ). That shoots most of the day. I usually only get to watch parts of a few other games which doesn't always give the same impression of a team as watching the whole game.

I probably spend a good 1-3 hours Saturday night reviewing games, reading threads/articles on a few sites and the "How They Fared" spreadsheet (I did this before voting, but probably spent less time on it - so maybe an additional hour since voting?).

Sunday evening I probably spend another 2-4 hours reviewing (again - threads, articles, How They Fared) and putting together my ballot. Again, I did this before voting but likely spend more time on it now.

I spent a fair amount of time on ags, watching games, following scores before I voted, just like I suspect most of you who don't vote do. I probably spend a little more time now, and might be a little more focused while doing it. The main difference I notice is prior to voting, if I wasn't in the mood for it, too tired, etc. I could put it off. Now I have to have my ballot done Sunday night.

TL;DR Probably average about 2-3 hours extra - time I may have spent anyway, but now feel somewhat obligated to spend before bed Sunday night.

[longtimemocfan]

We may be too high right now. Defense except for 4th qrt. last week has been lights out, but offense needs to prove it can grind some drives out. More explosive than in years past, but not good at all on 3rd down conversations.

[Catbooster]

We may be too high right now. Defense except for 4th qrt. last week has been lights out, but offense needs to prove it can grind some drives out. More explosive than in years past, but not good at all on 3rd down conversations.
Maybe they're just shy. Try small talk to make them more comfortable - maybe talk about the weather, etc. xlolx xpeacex

[dewey]

We may be too high right now. Defense except for 4th qrt. last week has been lights out, but offense needs to prove it can grind some drives out. More explosive than in years past, but not good at all on 3rd down conversations.

Nice to have an honest assessment of Chattanooga instead of what claventownmocs provides.

Dewey

[Bisonwinagn]

Are people forgetting EIU's loss the first game? I know it was a long time ago, but they don't deserve top 10.

[FCSwatcher]

BOOM. Nailed it. I used to be of the other thinking but it comes from those that don't vote for the most part. Once I started voting I realized how much more I actually learned through the first few weeks of discussion. Your 5th week poll is much better than a poll that started in the 5th week would be.

A couple of examples

FargoRate a national known pool rating system doesn't consider a rating established until an individual has 200 games in the system. Statistically speaking that is where you are stabilized. For you NDSU fans it was developed by Mike Page from Fargo and NDSU

Other ranking systems such as Massey use last years data and wean the data out during the first few weeks. If they didn't they would all have a rating if 0 the first week

From Massey http://www.masseyratings.com/theory/massey.htm#pre

"Preseason Ratings

Preseason ratings are typically derived as a weighted average of previous years' final ratings. As the current season progresses, their effect gets damped out completely. The only purpose preseason ratings serve is to provide a reasonable starting point for the computer. Mathematically, they guarantee a unique solution to the equations early in the season when not enough data is available yet."

There is a reason why BCS ranking do not come out until November. Enough Data from this year.

Cal Poly is a great example this year. If they had a different record last year, for example only 3 losses can you honestly say they would be in the same poll position as they are now?

Thanks for reading.


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

A couple of examples

FargoRate a national known pool rating system doesn't consider a rating established until an individual has 200 games in the system. Statistically speaking that is where you are stabilized. For you NDSU fans it was developed by Mike Page from Fargo and NDSU

Other ranking systems such as Massey use last years data and wean the data out during the first few weeks. If they didn't they would all have a rating if 0 the first week

From Massey http://www.masseyratings.com/theory/massey.htm#pre

"Preseason Ratings

Preseason ratings are typically derived as a weighted average of previous years' final ratings. As the current season progresses, their effect gets damped out completely. The only purpose preseason ratings serve is to provide a reasonable starting point for the computer. Mathematically, they guarantee a unique solution to the equations early in the season when not enough data is available yet."

There is a reason why BCS ranking do not come out until November. Enough Data from this year.

Cal Poly is a great example this year. If they had a different record last year, for example only 3 losses can you honestly say they would be in the same poll position as they are now?

Thanks for reading.


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You really seem to be missing a point here. None of that has anything to do with what we are talking about.

Take your BCS example. Do they use human polls? Do those polls start before the BCS stuff does? Those humans have probably discussed many factors, and have had 5 weeks of practice and honing of ballot skills to make a better product in week 5 than would have otherwise been achieved. One thing I can almost guarantee is that even those guys or any media not on this site does not have the advantage that we enjoy here with formulating a well rounded opinion on teams. It still isn't perfect, but I think it's as close as anyone can get due to the many voices you hear from.

It's not something you will convince me of. I used to think like you do now. I have evolved through the actual practice of voting and seeing how if affects my perception through discussions I would be unlikely to have in your scenario.

The human experience of practice, repetition, etc. is the one and only factor you need to know here. Is a person better with practice or not? They are. That is your answer.

Whatever statistics you try to use don't really relate to what I (we voters) are trying to explain. In essence, they are a non sequitur here.

I was happy to read your opinion.xthumbsupx

[Milktruck74]

Nice to have an honest assessment of Chattanooga instead of what claventownmocs provides.

Dewey

I think LongTime's assessment is indicative of what MOST informed Moc Fans believe....but we all have our black sheep!

[longtimemocfan]

Maybe they're just shy. Try small talk to make them more comfortable - maybe talk about the weather, etc. xlolx xpeacex

LOL pretty funny,that's what I get for trusting spell check on my phone.

[BEAR]

So what does a victory over an FBS team count as in this poll?

[FormerPokeCenter]

Why is McNeese in the top 25, but Stephen F. Austin, who just beat McNeese, is not?

WTF??

[BEAR]

Hey I'm over 8000 posts! I need a life! xlolx

[Grizalltheway]

Hey I'm over 8000 posts! I need a life! xlolx

More than that you need a nickname.

[Daytripper]

Why is McNeese in the top 25, but Stephen F. Austin, who just beat McNeese, is not?

WTF??

Reputation. Right or wrong, reputation.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hey I'm over 8000 posts! I need a life! xlolx

How come you never chose a new title?

[BEAR]

How come you never chose a new title?

Might forget who I am? Maybe? NO idea. Just might do that.

[Southern Bison]

Might forget who I am? Maybe? NO idea. Just might do that.
You creating a thread for suggestions?

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[BEAR]

You creating a thread for suggestions?

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I can imagine the suggestions offered. Most not good. xlolx Rightfully so.

[dewey]

I can imagine the suggestions offered. Most not good. xlolx Rightfully so.

Here is my idea. "Dewey is my hero"

It isn't good it is GREAT!

Dewey

[Twentysix]

Hey I'm over 8000 posts! I need a life! xlolx

Congrats, I'll get to 8000 someday.

[The Yo Show]

One thing I can almost guarantee is that even those guys or any media not on this site does not have the advantage that we enjoy here with formulating a well rounded opinion on teams. It still isn't perfect, but I think it's as close as anyone can get due to the many voices you hear from.

Some call it well rounded, some call it "MVFC teams too high" xlolx