How bout Boise!?

[mistersykes]

I've been a fan of this team for a few years now. They're really representing in the BCS. The Broncos are up 21 to 10 over the mighty Oklahoma Sooners at halftime. I hope they win it, even if it is just a stinky BCS game.:thumbsup:

[chiapet9]

heck yeah! they're spanking the Sooners right now!

[chiapet9]

here's the biggest question though...


boise state is 12-0 right now. if they win tonight they'll be 13-0.

ohio state is the only other team that is undefeated. if they lose to florida in the nat. title game then boise state will be the lone ranger who is undefeated in the FBS.

how does that look? the undefeated team didn't play in the national title game. and from the way they're spanking the big 12 champion (and if they subsequently come out with a win)...it shows that they can compete with the top FBS conferences....

[BlueHen86]

I'm impressed. I expected an easy Oklahoma win. Not happening. Oklahoma may come back in the seconds half but right now Boise St. looks real good.
Never heard of the Boise St. QB before, looks like he could play on Sunday (I'm judging him on 30 minutes of play however.) Boise is also giving him good protection.

[BlueHen86]

here's the biggest question though...


boise state is 12-0 right now. if they win tonight they'll be 13-0.

ohio state is the only other team that is undefeated. if they lose to florida in the nat. title game then boise state will be the lone ranger who is undefeated in the FBS.

how does that look? the undefeated team didn't play in the national title game. and from the way they're spanking the big 12 champion (and if they subsequently come out with a win)...it shows that they can compete with the top FBS conferences....
It proves what we already know, the FBS is a joke.
I hope it happens just the way you spelled it out.

[Johnny5]

Zabransky is tough...i have followed them quite a bit since they moved up....GO BOISE

[chiapet9]

It proves what we already know, the FBS is a joke.
I hope it happens just the way you spelled it out.


right...i hope it does too. i think there's a chance it will. even more controversy for them to deal with.

[mistersykes]

Zabransky can throw a potato 90 yards, dontcha know? :eek:

But yeah, just like what happened with Auburn a couple years back, going undefeated and getting shafted. They have the power. Some people know about their offense, but their defense is not full of pushovers.

I like it that Urban Meyer, who is for the playoff system, is one of the coaches in the "championship" game. He'll give everyone a piece of his mind, even if Florida loses.

[JohnStOnge]

here's the biggest question though...


boise state is 12-0 right now. if they win tonight they'll be 13-0.

ohio state is the only other team that is undefeated. if they lose to florida in the nat. title game then boise state will be the lone ranger who is undefeated in the FBS.

how does that look? the undefeated team didn't play in the national title game. and from the way they're spanking the big 12 champion (and if they subsequently come out with a win)...it shows that they can compete with the top FBS conferences....

I wish there was a playoff so they could see how they could do but they went 12 - 0 against a schedule that's rated by Sagarin as 100th among 119 "BS" schools. They're looking good against Oklahoma right now but you have to realize that 1) the Big 12 was down this year and 2) this is the huge game for Boise State and not so huge for Oklahoma. Playing one big time team in a huge game you've prepared for for over a month isn't the same as playing against a top level schedule week in and week out. With what's essentially a two team playoff you can't seriously make a team that played against as weak a schedule as Boise State did "national champion."

Also, I know Oklahoma was a favorite by the line but the Sooners are "only" the 14th ranked team by the Sagarin ratings. In the "average" ratings at http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare.htm the Sooners are the second weakest BCS bowl team...ahead of only Wake Forest.

I also gotta say that, though Boise State obviously showing it can play with Oklahoma, Oklahoma is not playing well. It's stopped itself a lot during the first half. Like that tight end dropping that screen pass on OU's last full possession was huge. That would've been a long play for OU but instead BSU was able to get the ball back and score. OU also had a play kind of like that on its first drive.

[AZGrizFan]

This is from my ESPN College Bowl Mania pick sheet....

Note the check mark next to Boise State..... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Tostitos Fiesta (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls06/bowls?game=fiesta)#9 Boise State (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=68) (12-0)http://games.espn.go.com/mnf/img/pick_your.gif19 #8 Oklahoma (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=201) (11-2)Jan. 1, 8:00 PMFOX

[AZGrizFan]

I wish there was a playoff so they could see how they could do but they went 12 - 0 against a schedule that's rated by Sagarin as 100th among 119 "BS" schools. They're looking good against Oklahoma right now but you have to realize that 1) the Big 12 was down this year and 2) this is the huge game for Boise State and not so huge for Oklahoma. Playing one big time team in a huge game you've prepared for for over a month isn't the same as playing against a top level schedule week in and week out. With what's essentially a two team playoff you can't seriously make a team that played against as weak a schedule as Boise State did "national champion."

Also, I know Oklahoma was a favorite by the line but the Sooners are "only" the 14th ranked team by the Sagarin ratings. In the "average" ratings at http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare.htm the Sooners are the second weakest BCS bowl team...ahead of only Wake Forest.

I also gotta say that, though Boise State obviously showing it can play with Oklahoma, Oklahoma is not playing well. It's stopped itself a lot during the first half. Like that tight end dropping that screen pass on OU's last full possession was huge. That would've been a long play for OU but instead BSU was able to get the ball back and score. OU also had a play kind of like that on its first drive.

didn't Oklahoma go 11-2 this year? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[chiapet9]

I wish there was a playoff so they could see how they could do but they went 12 - 0 against a schedule that's rated by Sagarin as 100th among 119 "BS" schools. They're looking good against Oklahoma right now but you have to realize that 1) the Big 12 was down this year and 2) this is the huge game for Boise State and not so huge for Oklahoma. Playing one big time team in a huge game you've prepared for for over a month isn't the same as playing against a top level schedule week in and week out. With what's essentially a two team playoff you can't seriously make a team that played against as weak a schedule as Boise State did "national champion."

Also, I know Oklahoma was a favorite by the line but the Sooners are "only" the 14th ranked team by the Sagarin ratings. In the "average" ratings at http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare.htm the Sooners are the second weakest BCS bowl team...ahead of only Wake Forest.

I also gotta say that, though Boise State obviously showing it can play with Oklahoma, Oklahoma is not playing well. It's stopped itself a lot during the first half. Like that tight end dropping that screen pass on OU's last full possession was huge. That would've been a long play for OU but instead BSU was able to get the ball back and score. OU also had a play kind of like that on its first drive.

you're right. its tough to judge a team who's schedule isn't much to talk about. however, most of that is not their fault - they're in the WAC and have to play the other WAC teams. they did play oregon state - who did beat USC. (not saying that means that boise state would beat USC...especially not the way they played today against michigan). but - that is something for their AD to fix for next year - better OOC games. but how do you know before the season which conferences will have an off year (Big 12 this year) and who will have a better than normal year (Big East - in my opinion)...it really is all a gamble.

[JohnStOnge]

didn't Oklahoma go 11-2 this year? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Yes. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be a huge win for Boise State over a very good team. But if you know me you know that I put more stock in power ratings than I do in human polls. By power ratings Oklahoma is a borderline top 10 team. That's very tough, but it's not like playing...say...this year's LSU team.

After this game Boise State's overall schedule will still be somewhere in the range of 90th to 100th toughest in the country. They will have played beaten one borderline top 25 team (Oregon State) and one borderline top 10 team (Oklahoma).

That's very good for Boise State. But it's not something that should have people seriously considering them as "national champion" given the current BS system.

[AZGrizFan]

you're right. its tough to judge a team who's schedule isn't much to talk about. however, most of that is not their fault - they're in the WAC and have to play the other WAC teams. they did play oregon state - who did beat USC. (not saying that means that boise state would beat USC...especially not the way they played today against michigan). but - that is something for their AD to fix for next year - better OOC games. but how do you know before the season which conferences will have an off year (Big 12 this year) and who will have a better than normal year (Big East - in my opinion)...it really is all a gamble.

You know, their schedule might be "soft", but they did go 4-0 (handily) against bowl teams, and those same teams went 3-1 in their bowls, with the only loss a 1-point loss by Nevada to Miami. Something to think about. You can only play the teams that are put in front of you.

[AZGrizFan]

AND THE ROUT IS ON!!!

:hurray: :hurray: :hurray: :hurray: :hurray: :hurray:

[Appstate29]

now 28-10

[BlueHen86]

Holy crap. 28 - 10.

[I Bleed Purple]

Because I find it amusing to rile you guys up, ESPN did a mock 8 team playoff and Boise State WASN'T in it.

[Appstate29]

I Love hearing the mouthpieces making excuses for OU losing to an "inferior" team

[chiapet9]

You know, their schedule might be "soft", but they did go 4-0 (handily) against bowl teams, and those same teams went 3-1 in their bowls, with the only loss a 1-point loss by Nevada to Miami. Something to think about. You can only play the teams that are put in front of you.

i agree with you. Hawaii spanked their bowl opponent and Oregon State came back in the final seconds to beat a tough Mizzou team. San Jose St. won their bowl game too. i honestly think if Boise St. was in the Pac-10 they could've gone 10-2, maybe even 11-1 this year. (loss to USC, Cal and UCLA would be toss ups)


just more fuel to the "playoff" fire.....

[mistersykes]

I've seen that punt recovery mistake three times already in the bowl season. If you didn't see it, Boise was recieving, and the punt hit a Boise blocker's leg and OU recovered at the 14 or so. Then the touchdown. So 28-17 now.

[JohnStOnge]

didn't Oklahoma go 11-2 this year? :confused: :confused: :confused:

It'd be a very big and impressive win for a school like Boise State. The Broncos will certainly deserve the top 10 ranking they're going to get if they go on to win this game.

I'm just saying that, under the current system, I don't think it's reasonable to seriously consider them for the "national championship." It's not like they're playing...say...LSU in this game. They are playing a very good team, but it's a borderline top 10 team rather than a top 5 top team. And if they win this game the schedule they have played is probably still going to be rated in the 90th to 100th range. For sure it'll be down there.

IF Florida were to beat Ohio State, a 13 - 1 record against the schedule the Gators will have played is going to be more impressive than 13 - 0 against the schedule Boise State has played. And I think the power ratings will reflect that.

[JohnStOnge]

you're right. its tough to judge a team who's schedule isn't much to talk about. however, most of that is not their fault - they're in the WAC and have to play the other WAC teams. they did play oregon state - who did beat USC. (not saying that means that boise state would beat USC...especially not the way they played today against michigan). but - that is something for their AD to fix for next year - better OOC games. but how do you know before the season which conferences will have an off year (Big 12 this year) and who will have a better than normal year (Big East - in my opinion)...it really is all a gamble.

It's why the only real solution is some kind of playoff system that would give a team like this year's Boise State squad a shot to show what it can do. If it goes through 4 straight playoff caliber teams there's no concern about not having played a tough schedule.

[AZGrizFan]

It's why the only real solution is some kind of playoff system that would give a team like this year's Boise State squad a shot to show what it can do. If it goes through 4 straight playoff caliber teams there's no concern about not having played a tough schedule.

Which is funny, because even in a playoff, only ONE team makes it through 4 straight playoff caliber teams, and yet there would be no discussion of their strength of schedule if it was USC, or Texas, or Louisville that DIDN'T make it through to be Nat'l champ.

[JohnStOnge]

Before the selections were made I was actually hoping Boise State would match up with LSU in the Sugar Bowl. I know most LSU fans wouldn't like that but I would like to have seen it. Then you'd have gotten to see the Broncos play a team that would, if there were a playoff, be a top 4 seed.

[CoastalFan2005]

Boise's not dominating this game anymore. 1:26 left to go in the 4th quarter, and OU just scored a TD to make it 28-26, Broncos.

2 pt. conversion - no good, but there's a flag. It's def. pass interference, another try.

2nd try 2 pt. conversion - another flag. Illegal shift, offense. 5 yd. penalty, we have ANOTHER try coming.

3rd try 2 pt. conversion - GOOD.

Game is tied at 28!

[mistersykes]

Uh Oh! At least its exciting! :D There's still 1:26 left. Can Boise start their offense again?

[JohnStOnge]

Boise's not dominating this game anymore. 1:26 left to go in the 4th quarter, and OU just scored a TD to make it 28-26, Broncos.

2 pt. conversion - no good, but there's a flag. It's def. pass interference, another try.

2nd try 2 pt. conversion - another flag. Illegal shift, offense. 5 yd. penalty, we have ANOTHER try coming.

3rd try 2 pt. conversion - GOOD.

Game is tied at 28!

Actually, I don't think Boise ever was "dominating" physically. They were matching up well enough so that they could win if OU made mistakes and OU was making mistakes. As of right now OU has 22 first downs to BSU's 13 and has outgained the Broncos 381 to 275.

Boise might obvously still win though.

[JohnStOnge]

Justice prevails. The mistakes are finally evening out and the better team is in the lead.

[Mountaineer]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[CoastalFan2005]

HOLY WOW! OU intercepts Boise and scores a TD!

34-28 OU, PAT pending!

Play was reviewed and upheld.

What a play!

[mistersykes]

Oh boy! Zabransky misreads and throws an interception and its returned for a touchdown! Looks like Oklahoma might steal this one away!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[patssle]

imagine if Boise comes back to tie it after all this crazy stuff!

[CoastalFan2005]

BIG reception, gain of 36 yards for the Broncos

They have two TO's left

Next play - Boise's QB is sacked!

[Mountaineer]

WOW!!!!

[mistersykes]

HOLY ***********************!!!

[CoastalFan2005]

HOLY WOW AGAIN! Boise scores!

[patssle]

HOLY SH HOLY SH HOLY SH~!!!!!!!

[Mountaineer]

That was insane!

[JohnStOnge]

Well, I must say you have to give them credit for that call!

[CoastalFan2005]

What an exciting few minutes of football

[mistersykes]

4th and 18! Zabransky connects, then it is lateralled and in for the touchdown!!! 35-35! This game is amazing!

[Old Cat Fan]

Hook and lateral wow take that you Okies

[BlueHen86]

Holy crap II. Unbelievable play.:eek:

[mistersykes]

I've got a huge "how the hell did that happen?" smile on my face!:D It's time for OT!

[Mountaineer]

What's amazing..is that there are folks on this board that are so anti-BCS they're missing one hell of a game! ;)

[3rd Coast Tiger]

What's amazing..is that there are folks on this board that are so anti-BCS they're missing one hell of a game! ;)

COSIGN!!!!

[AZGrizFan]

COSIGN!!!!

I'll autograph that. :eyebrow:

[JohnStOnge]

imagine if Boise comes back to tie it after all this crazy stuff!

If so OU will only have itself to blame for coming out to start the game as sloppy as it did.

[JohnStOnge]

I've got a huge "how the hell did that happen?" smile on my face!:D It's time for OT!

Right call at the right time.

[Mr. C]

Hook and lateral wow take that you Okies
When Jerry Moore was the offensive coordinator at Nebraska, Oklahoma ran the hook and lateral to beat the Cornhuskers. If I remember right, Elvis Peacock scored on the play. What goes around, comes around.

[Old Cat Fan]

Cheers to an inpromtu game thread for football whores :beerchug:

[TxSt02]

damn

[Mr. C]

Adrian Peterson scores on the first play of OT. Oklahoma back in front.

[Mountaineer]

That was a quick OU score..oy.

[mistersykes]

Well, I must say you have to give them credit for that call!

Indeed. That was very gutsy!

I prefer college OT to NFL OT. Give both teams a chance. I feel like the NFL gives too much of an advantage to the winner of the coin toss. Anyway, either team will have earned this one big time.

And OU scores on their OT try. Looked too easy.

[Mountaineer]

Cheers to an inpromtu game thread for football whores :beerchug:

Indeed!

:beerchug: :beerchug::beerchug::beerchug: xprost2x xprost2x

[Mr. C]

If Oklahoma can force a turnover on Boise State's first play, it would tie an NCAA record for the shortest overtime game in history when Appalachian State beat New Hampshire in the first round of the 1994 I-AA playoffs.

[patssle]

yeah I have to get up early and go to work tomorrow!

but I ain't missing the end of this game.

[Mr. C]

The record is safe for another OT game. Ironically, when Appalachian State beat New Hampshire in that game, they played Boise State the next week in the quarterfinals.

[Old Cat Fan]

If Oklahoma can force a turnover on Boise State's first play, it would tie an NCAA record for the shortest overtime game in history when Appalachian State beat New Hampshire in the first round of the 1994 I-AA playoffs.

I was at that game :bawling: :bawling:

[Mr. C]

Boise State keeps its hopes alive with a clutch first down. What a game.

[Mr. C]

I was at that game :bawling: :bawling:
So was I. Aldwin Lance scored a similar TD to Peterson's on the first play (it was the same stretch play that Oklahoma ran) and Dexter Coakley forced a fumble that Chip Miller recovered on UNH's first play. My computer froze that day in the Cowell Stadium press box.

[Mountaineer]

4th down..come on Boise! I wanna see more! :D

[Old Cat Fan]

johnson guy is a horse

[UNHWildCats]

If Oklahoma can force a turnover on Boise State's first play, it would tie an NCAA record for the shortest overtime game in history when Appalachian State beat New Hampshire in the first round of the 1994 I-AA playoffs.:bawling:

[Mr. C]

Got to root for Boise State, even if they are 12 years removed from their I-AA days.

[mistersykes]

4th down..come on Boise! I wanna see more! :D

Just like me. I want to see good football, no matter who wins! Too many people don't understand this.:thumbsup:

[patssle]

its coming down to 1 play...AGAIN

[patssle]

Just like me. I want to see good football, no matter who wins! Too many people don't understand this.:thumbsup:

I'm with ya. I don't care about Boise or OU...but damn I care about this game!

[patssle]

HOLY HOLY HOLY SHH!!!

[Mountaineer]

TD!!

[patssle]

this is f-ing nutssssssssss!

[CoastalFan2005]

Boise scores again! Wow!

[Mr. C]

Wow, you put your QB in motion and then your I back throws a TD pass on fourth down.

[mistersykes]

TOUCHDOWN BOISE! TRICK PLAYS! GOING FOR TWO? They want it all. Kudos to Boise. My heart is about to explode here. :D

[Mountaineer]

Whoa! don't go for 2!

[JohnStOnge]

I can't believe that OU fell for that one.

[Old Cat Fan]

possible best game of the year ??

[CoastalFan2005]

They're going for two to win it? Very gutsy call.

"It's stuff like this that screams for a playoff in Division I-A football" - commentator

[mistersykes]

SHOUTOUT TO A PLAYOFF! OH MAN!

[patssle]

PLAYOFFS TALK!

[Mr. C]

A two-point call for the win. Go Boise State!

[patssle]

HOLLLLLLLLLLLY SH!

[Mountaineer]

WOW!!

[Mr. C]

Great play call on the counter draw. Boise State wins!

[CoastalFan2005]

HOLY SHNI-KEYS! WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!!!!!!

[Mountaineer]

Daaaaaamn!!!!..that was awesome!

[mistersykes]

BOISE WINS BOISE WINS BOISE WINS!!!!!!!!! BEST GAME OF THE YEAR! PERIOD!

[patssle]

BOWL OF THE YEAR!

[JohnStOnge]

Unbelievable.

[Old Cat Fan]

F--ing crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. C]

Boise State gets my vote (if I had one) as the NATIONAL CHAMPS for FBS.

[Mountaineer]

Without a doubt..bowl of the year..so far..hehe.

[AZGrizFan]

Boise State's coach is a genius. Pure and simple. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[mistersykes]

WOW. Ralph, I know you're somewhere dedicated to FCS, but give some credit to some of this FBS play. Don't sell these guys short. That game was f***ing amazing.

[BlueHen86]

One of the greatest games I've ever seen. How many trick plays does Boise have? And they all worked!
Gutsy call going for two, but I think it was the correct call (and yes I thought that before they made it).

[AZGrizFan]

The BCS haters missed one HELL of a football game. :hurray: :hurray: :hurray: :hurray: :hurray:

AND Thom Brenneman plugging I-AA (ok, mistakenly) and pumping up a playoff system in the BCS. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[BlueHen86]

Boise State's coach is a genius. Pure and simple. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Absolutely, I wonder how long he'll be at Boise.

[Mr. C]

Stupid interviewer Gary What's His Face saying its the biggest win in Boise State history. How about the win over Marshall in 1994 that gave Boise State an actual shot at a REAL national championship?

[BlueHen86]

Wow, I'm not going to be able to sleep after that.

[patssle]

This game was a FOOTBALL game. It dosn't matter if it was FCS or FBS. How they got to this game is BS and the name of it is BS...but in the end its a football game...and one HELL OF A GAME!

[mistersykes]

I feel like I just took a bunch of drugs. How bout you guys? Wow. :D

[UNHWildCats]

im 2 for 2 so far Boise St and USC

[Mountaineer]

Great nightcap for sure..after the turd that was the Rose Bowl. ;)

xlolx xlolx :D

[TxSt02]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

also... sorry to say... more people will care about this than a "Division I FCS Championship" sorry app...

[Mountaineer]

also... sorry to say... more people will care about this than a "Division I FCS Championship" sorry app...

It's alright..I mean, we do have TWO after all... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Will be looking forward to seeing Tex State get one....sometime.. :p :nod:

[CoastalFan2005]

Aww, one of Boise's players just proposed to his girlfriend (Boise's head cheerleader). Good times.

Edit: forgot to mention that she accepted. Congrats to them...getting engaged on national TV isn't too bad.

[Mr. C]

And if this game didn't have enough, the guy who scores the winning two-pointer gets on his knees and proposes to his girlfriend — Boise State's head cheerleader — on national TV. Bet you won't see that in the Ohio State-Florida game.

[mtgrizfan4life]

WOW, not only does BSU win, but Ian Johnson proposes to his Girlfriend!!! GREAT JOB BSU, too bad they do not get another big boy in a playoff. Congrats to BSU, especially Ian Johnson. BTW, FOX was very impressive in their bowl games. FOX please make bid for FCS football too. Enough of ESPN!!!!!

[JohnStOnge]

Fire Stoops!

Won't go that far, but I guarantee you OU fans consider this is an embarassment and will be really hacked off.

[TxSt02]

damn i got to say wow again....

just a crazy game

[Mr. C]

Absolutely, I wonder how long he'll be at Boise.
He is in his first year as head coach after Don Hawkins built the program and then moved to Colorado. He will be there for a little while.

[AZGrizFan]

He is in his first year as head coach after Don Hawkins built the program and then moved to Colorado. He will be there for a little while.

Actually, Don Hawkins took over from Dirk Koetter, who built the program. :read:

[CoastalFan2005]

This post serves no other purpose but to get me off of the "666" post count. xlolx

Can't leave my post count there.

[mistersykes]

Aww, one of Boise's players just proposed to his girlfriend (Boise's head cheerleader). Good times.

Would he still have if they lost?:confused: Hehe.

But wowee, what a game. It was great to share some emotion on here, as somebody said. Didn't even mean for this to be a gameday thread. Worked out pretty well, huh?

Goodnight everyone! Try to sleep!:D

[Old Cat Fan]

So was I. Aldwin Lance scored a similar TD to Peterson's on the first play (it was the same stretch play that Oklahoma ran) and Dexter Coakley forced a fumble that Chip Miller recovered on UNH's first play. My computer froze that day in the Cowell Stadium press box.

You have a great memory Mr C, all I remember was the fumble. That was back in the pre internet days, when no one knew anything about the teams they were facing. I remember laughing at Samford when they came to Durham for a playoff game and they kick UNH's Ass :nod: :nod:

[unknown-swac]

I was a Boise Naysayer....shocked me but this was the best bowl game of the year so far.

[griz8791]

I particularly enjoyed the stunned looks on the faces of the OU fans as they tried to come to grips with having lost to . . . a non BCS team. From 1983 to 1995 I hated the ground Boise walked on but tonight I'm thrilled because they just walked up and smacked the BCS in the jaw.

[Old Cat Fan]

I particularly enjoyed the stunned looks on the faces of the OU fans as they tried to come to grips with having lost to . . . a non BCS team. From 1983 to 1995 I hated the ground Boise walked on but tonight I'm thrilled because they just walked up and smacked the BCS in the jaw.

You mean the Blue field they walked on xlolx xlolx xlolx

[proasu89]

I'm with ya. I don't care about Boise or OU...but damn I care about this game!
Amen brother:thumbsup:

[Mountaineer#96]

one of the best games I have ever watched.............Boise State shows once again why the BCS is crap.

[Old Cat Fan]

To all the AGS members who will be reading this this later, you guys missed one last good crazy game thread :rotateh: :nod:

[bkrownd]

how does that look? the undefeated team didn't play in the national title game.

Just like it looks when an undefeated team doesn't make the playoffs? It looks...irrelevant. There's a reason or twelve why Boise isn't in the title game. Nice bowl season for the WAC, though. Nevada was just shy of making it a 4-0 sweep.

[bkrownd]

I particularly enjoyed the stunned looks on the faces of the OU fans as they tried to come to grips with having lost to . . . a non BCS team.

Ummm...I hate to let you in on this apparently top secret info, but Boise IS a BCS team. They just played in the Fiesta Bowel, which is a BCS game I do believe. FYI, HTH, HAND.

[CoastalFan2005]

Ummm...I hate to let you in on this apparently top secret info, but Boise IS a BCS team. They just played in the Fiesta Bowel, which is a BCS game I do believe. FYI, HTH, HAND.

xcoffeex

"Ummm," I hate to have to be the one to invalidate your "apparently top secret info," but griz8791 was correct with the statement that Boise State is a non-BCS team. They are members of a non-BCS conference. :nod:

Directly from their website (http://www.broncosports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=48553&SPID=4061&DB_OEM_ID=9900&ATCLID=735429):



GLENDALE, Ariz. (AP) - There are between 14 and 17 million reasons why Boise State should be happy with reaching the Fiesta Bowl as a non-BCS school.
...
Boise State (12-0) became just the second team from a non-Bowl Championship Series conference to claim a berth in one of the most lucrative bowls since the 1997 inception of the BCS. With their eighth-place finish in the BCS rankings, the Broncos took advantage of less stringent rules - most notably the one that guaranteed a team from a non-BCS conference a spot in the field if it finished in the top 12 - than the first team to accomplish the feat, Utah in 2004.


:read:

BTW - while some of Tostitos' products can be a little harsh on the stomach, I really don't think they call it the "Fiesta Bowel." :rotateh:

[Cleets]

:read:

BTW - while some of Tostitos' products can be a little harsh on the stomach, I really don't think they call it the "Fiesta Bowel." :rotateh:



That is seriously hysterical!:lmao:

[bkrownd]

xcoffeex

"Ummm," I hate to have to be the one to invalidate your "apparently top secret info," but griz8791 was correct with the statement that Boise State is a non-BCS team. They are members of a non-BCS conference. :nod:


They're in a BCS game, so they ARE a BCS team. I didn't say they're in a BCS conference. If a team makes the I-AA playoffs from a conference that doesn't have an autobid, are they not a "playoff" team? Same thing.

[Cleets]

I From 1983 to 1995 I hated the ground Boise walked on


Boise and Nevada were both Big Sky teams 10 yrs. ago (right?)

...and Idaho (vandals....?)

[JALMOND]

Just got back from watching the game at the casino on the big screen. Very awesome game. Two Pac-NW teams, Oregon State and Boise State, socked it to the Big 12 (and the nation) by going for the win on two point conversions. Bunch of gamblers up here, and rightly so. The Broncos, like the Beavers, really had nothing to lose. They had put up an ideal fight that, at that point, win or lose they could hold their heads up high. Ever since the bad press about the sore whiners at Oklahoma after the Duck game, I've been routing against the Sooners every chance I could, and this just made me feel great.

Great game by Zabransky, an Oregon kid (Hermiston native) who was offered a scholarship by only two schools out of high school, Boise State and Portland State. Oregon State offered him a chance to walk-on.

Sidenote to all this talk of the FBS needing a playoff; chances are that the BCS conference champions would get auto-bids, would Boise have been given an at-large, or would their schedule keep them out, ala San Diego? Would Boise be given a berth over Auburn? Cal? West Virginia? Notre Dame? Rutgers?

[GRZZ]

Boise and Nevada were both Big Sky teams 10 yrs. ago (right?)

...and Idaho (vandals....?)

That is correct. Many opinionated folks think that Idaho wasn't as ready as the other two to head up, but didn't want to be left behind by their Rival so they followed suite...worked out well for the Broncs, not the Vandals so much yet...

[bodoyle]

Ok I am dragging ass this morning from not being able to sleep until 2am after watching the Boise State/Oklahoma game last night. That was the best game I have ever seen. 25 straight points, a pick 6, 50 yard hook and ladder, WR option pass, Statue of Liberty play...GOOD LORD!

[JohnStOnge]

Just like it looks when an undefeated team doesn't make the playoffs? .

I was thinking along those lines myself. Boise State was kind of a parallell to San Diego in I-AA/FC this season. It went undefeated and ran up big numbers against a very weak schedule. In the end Boise State beat Oklahoma to "prove" itself while San Diego lost to UC Davis to "fail" in that regard, but otherwise very similar in relative terms.

[CoastalFan2005]

They're in a BCS game, so they ARE a BCS team. I didn't say they're in a BCS conference. If a team makes the I-AA playoffs from a conference that doesn't have an autobid, are they not a "playoff" team? Same thing.

:rolleyes:

Let's try this one more time. I'll bold the words you need to pay attention to in the excerpt from their website.


Directly from their website (http://www.broncosports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=48553&SPID=4061&DB_OEM_ID=9900&ATCLID=735429):



GLENDALE, Ariz. (AP) - There are between 14 and 17 million reasons why Boise State should be happy with reaching the Fiesta Bowl as a non-BCS school.

Sorry. Boise's own website calls the Broncos a "non-BCS school." I don't think it's wrong on this one. :read:

[griz8791]

Coastal's right. Of course it was a BCS game. The problem is Boise isn't a BCS school. They are FBS, not BCS, and they play in one of the slightly-regarded conferences that the media experts acknowledge as infrequently as possible and even then only under duress. The only bigger disaster to a BCS school than losing to a WAC team would be losing to a I-AA/FCS. That's why I enjoyed it so much.

[Cocky]

I was thinking along those lines myself. Boise State was kind of a parallell to San Diego in I-AA/FC this season. It went undefeated and ran up big numbers against a very weak schedule. In the end Boise State beat Oklahoma to "prove" itself while San Diego lost to UC Davis to "fail" in that regard, but otherwise very similar in relative terms.

I thought UC-Davis beat San Diego?

[JohnStOnge]

I thought UC-Davis beat San Diego?

Yes. What I'm saying is that the parallel breaks down at the end because Boise State, when it got its chance, won against Oklahoma while San Diego, when it got its chance to prove itself, lost to UC Davis. However, the regular season situations were analogous. In both cases, you had a team that played kind of out of the mainstream of its subdivision against a very weak schedule and ran up big scores.

[crunifan]

But, people need to remember that Boise State schedule wasn't THAT weak.

The wins against Hawai'i, Nevada, and Oregon State were good wins.

[blur2005]

The ending to this game was perhaps the greatest sequence of events I have ever seen in a football game. Ridiculous. I agree with Zabransky; Boise State should get a shot at Ohio State.

[BigApp]

Fire Stoops!

Won't go that far, but I guarantee you OU fans consider this is an embarassment and will be really hacked off.

why do you say that? I would think most sane OU fans understand they just got beat by a better team.

[JohnStOnge]

why do you say that? I would think most sane OU fans understand they just got beat by a better team.

Well...I don't think they got beat by a better team. I think they made a lot of mistakes and did not play well...particularly early. Now, that's just my opinion. But my bet would be that there are plenty of OU fans that agree with me. Maybe somebody has a link to an OU fan website so we can see.

Seriously, they're not going to call for Stoops scalp. But my guess is most of them don't think the team is where they want it to be if it loses to a program like Boise State.

[LeopardFan04]

Not much to add to what's already been said...but seriously, what a game! Three trick plays in the final minute/overtime...gutsy call to go for 2...but what a victory...

[JohnStOnge]

But, people need to remember that Boise State schedule wasn't THAT weak.

The wins against Hawai'i, Nevada, and Oregon State were good wins.

As of the end of the regular season Boise State had played one team ranked in either the USA Today or AP polls. Oregon State was ranked 24th in the AP and 25th in the USA Today poll. Same basic picture with the Sagarin ratings: Oregon State was rated 18th based on games through December 22nd but nobody else on Boise State's regular season slate is top 25.

Again, Sagarin's system rated the schedule 100th of 119 I-A/BS teams. I'm sure you would find some variations to that but I think any good schedule strength system would have them in that area. Their schedule WAS that weak.

I know Hawaii beat Arizona State in its Bowl game and Nevada played Miami tough. But Arizona State and Miami each went into those bowls as mediocre teams by mainstream, big time college football standards.

[BigApp]

SoonerScoop.com is one
http://oklahoma.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=28&tid=86347103&mid=86347103&sid=895&style=2

That's a direct link to a thread (started by a Georgia fan no less) titled: "Boise St. winning was bad for college football....."

Most of it is giving credit to BSU. Here's a sample:

"They beat everybody put in front of them, including a whomp of Oregon State (won a bowl game, and a top 20 finish...and beat USC), a whomp of Hawaii (also a top 25 team...imho) then Oklahoma....the Big 12 champ. They've whomped everybody else. If they can beat an OU that should of only had one loss, they can hold their own with anybody....maybe not Ohio State, but definetly anybody in the Big 12, Pac-10, and ACC.

Do they deserve any BCS or AP title.....no. Do they deserve a shot at a title...in my opinon yes. Want to really know what's bad for college football....it's called the B.......c........S

Oklahoma's a good team. Boise State (on this night) is a better team. That was a tremendous game filled with great plays...couple blunders, double OT, and the all-or-nothing 2 pt conversion. This is great for college football. The perfect (literally) ending for the Cinderella school from Idaho over one of the bigger known schools in the game."

[bodoyle]

SoonerScoop.com is one
http://oklahoma.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=28&tid=86347103&mid=86347103&sid=895&style=2

That's a direct link to a thread (started by a Georgia fan no less) titled: "Boise St. winning was bad for college football....."

Most of it is giving credit to BSU. Here's a sample:

"They beat everybody put in front of them, including a whomp of Oregon State (won a bowl game, and a top 20 finish...and beat USC), a whomp of Hawaii (also a top 25 team...imho) then Oklahoma....the Big 12 champ. They've whomped everybody else. If they can beat an OU that should of only had one loss, they can hold their own with anybody....maybe not Ohio State, but definetly anybody in the Big 12, Pac-10, and ACC.

Do they deserve any BCS or AP title.....no. Do they deserve a shot at a title...in my opinon yes. Want to really know what's bad for college football....it's called the B.......c........S

Oklahoma's a good team. Boise State (on this night) is a better team. That was a tremendous game filled with great plays...couple blunders, double OT, and the all-or-nothing 2 pt conversion. This is great for college football. The perfect (literally) ending for the Cinderella school from Idaho over one of the bigger known schools in the game."

What the hell is whomp?

[CoastalFan2005]

What the hell is whomp?

http://www.wdell.com/videogames/sm64/course02/Stand_on_Papa_Whomp.jpg

That's the only thing I know a "whomp" to be. Perhaps Nintendo should sell t-shirts? xlolx

[BillLuc1982]

This proves that a playoff system is needed in BS ball!

[JohnStOnge]

http://goldenbuckeye.net/girls-in-red.jpg

[JohnStOnge]

SoonerScoop.com is one
http://oklahoma.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=28&tid=86347103&mid=86347103&sid=895&style=2

That's a direct link to a thread (started by a Georgia fan no less) titled: "Boise St. winning was bad for college football....."

Most of it is giving credit to BSU. Here's a sample:

"They beat everybody put in front of them, including a whomp of Oregon State (won a bowl game, and a top 20 finish...and beat USC), a whomp of Hawaii (also a top 25 team...imho) then Oklahoma....the Big 12 champ. They've whomped everybody else. If they can beat an OU that should of only had one loss, they can hold their own with anybody....maybe not Ohio State, but definetly anybody in the Big 12, Pac-10, and ACC.

Do they deserve any BCS or AP title.....no. Do they deserve a shot at a title...in my opinon yes. Want to really know what's bad for college football....it's called the B.......c........S

Oklahoma's a good team. Boise State (on this night) is a better team. That was a tremendous game filled with great plays...couple blunders, double OT, and the all-or-nothing 2 pt conversion. This is great for college football. The perfect (literally) ending for the Cinderella school from Idaho over one of the bigger known schools in the game."


Very sporting. Also some on how the Big 12 is weak this year. I think they have three wins though: Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State. I'm not going to be the one to link that picture of the girl in the red T shirt because I don't want to contribute to you guys' degenerate natures.

[hAPPy]

Congratulations to Boise State. That was one of the most exciting bowl games I've seen..ever. Loved the play calling at the end. Nice to see a $650,000/year coach outsmart, and an unheralded team outplay, the Sooners, coached by a $3,000,000/year guy. Glad to let the BCS know that money and power and don't always equate to success on the field.

[NDSUFREAK]

BOISE STATE!!:hurray: :hurray: :hurray: :hurray:

[wkuhillhound]

Congratulations to Boise State. That was one of the most exciting bowl games I've seen..ever. Loved the play calling at the end. Nice to see a $650,000/year coach outsmart, and an unheralded team outplay, the Sooners, coached by a $3,000,000/year guy. Glad to let the BCS know that money and power and don't always equate to success on the field.

Oklahoma = New York Yankees and Boise State = St. Louis Cardinals..... :D :twocents:

[UNHWildCats]

Oklahoma = New York Yankees and Boise State = St. Louis Cardinals..... :D :twocents:

more like Oklahoma = NY Mets (Has some good seasons and blows it in the end 2004 vs USC, 2007 vs Boise St) and Boise St = Florida Marlins The newcoming underdog shocks the world (1997 and 2003 Marlins)

[BigApp]

Very sporting. Also some on how the Big 12 is weak this year. I think they have three wins though: Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State. I'm not going to be the one to link that picture of the girl in the red T shirt because I don't want to contribute to you guys' degenerate natures.

oh boy, wasn't that a treat!! This old man in this video would have a field day, no?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/10/cussing-old-man.html

[roberb7]

I switched the TV off when Oklahoma got the TD on the interception with a minute left.

[ngineer]

I stayed up for the whole thing. ONe of the greatest finishes I can ever remember. the old 'hook and lateral' was right out of the 1960's and the 'reverse statue of liberty' out of the 1950's was something to behold. That was some great coaching! Way to go BSU! Stuff like that is why I like college football more than the NFL. Of course, also goes to show, why the BCS should be a playoff--Boise deserves the shot against OSU for a 'true' champion to be named.

[JALMOND]

Coastal's right. Of course it was a BCS game. The problem is Boise isn't a BCS school. They are FBS, not BCS, and they play in one of the slightly-regarded conferences that the media experts acknowledge as infrequently as possible and even then only under duress. The only bigger disaster to a BCS school than losing to a WAC team would be losing to a I-AA/FCS. That's why I enjoyed it so much.

Still, keep in mind that, with this win, the WAC went 3-1 in bowls this year, with the only loss to Miami by one point. Ironically, it was Nevada's failed two point conversion early in that game that possibly kept the WAC from going undefeated.

[JALMOND]

I switched the TV off when Oklahoma got the TD on the interception with a minute left.

Those of us who know and understand old style Big Sky football knew that the game was not over yet, even if it was Oklahoma.

[griz8791]

SoonerScoop.com is one
http://oklahoma.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=28&tid=86347103&mid=86347103&sid=895&style=2

That's a direct link to a thread (started by a Georgia fan no less) titled: "Boise St. winning was bad for college football....."

Most of it is giving credit to BSU. Here's a sample:

"They beat everybody put in front of them, including a whomp of Oregon State (won a bowl game, and a top 20 finish...and beat USC), a whomp of Hawaii (also a top 25 team...imho) then Oklahoma....the Big 12 champ. They've whomped everybody else. If they can beat an OU that should of only had one loss, they can hold their own with anybody....maybe not Ohio State, but definetly anybody in the Big 12, Pac-10, and ACC.

Do they deserve any BCS or AP title.....no. Do they deserve a shot at a title...in my opinon yes. Want to really know what's bad for college football....it's called the B.......c........S

Oklahoma's a good team. Boise State (on this night) is a better team. That was a tremendous game filled with great plays...couple blunders, double OT, and the all-or-nothing 2 pt conversion. This is great for college football. The perfect (literally) ending for the Cinderella school from Idaho over one of the bigger known schools in the game."


From that same thread:

"Everyone in Division I does deserve a shot at the championship, you elitist ****monger. Why bother to be in Division I-A if you cannot compete for the championship? People like you who can't appreciate the spirit and outcome of the 2006 Fiesta bowl are analogous to fascist dictators who refuse to have free elections for fear that they will lose grip on their tyrannical power."

I didn't write it but I generally agree with the sentiment. Americans like underdogs, or at least they used to. I think a lot of casual viewers pay attention to the first round of the NCAA men's basketball tournament because they want to see top seeds lose to cinderellas. Keeping the gate cracked for the occasional Utah or Boise State is important to the legitimacy of the event.

[JohnStOnge]

Of course, also goes to show, why the BCS should be a playoff--Boise deserves the shot against OSU for a 'true' champion to be named.

I don't know if "deserve" or "doesn't deserve" is the right way to put it, but given the system I don't think there's any way Boise should be playing Ohio State for the national championship. A 12 - 1 record against the schedule Florida played is, I think, more impressive than 13 - 0 against the schedule Boise State played. If they're going to pick just two teams to play for it all there's no way Boise State belongs.

Now, the playoff thing I agree with. Boise State should have the opportunity to prove it belongs in a national championship game. I agree that it's not necessarily the Broncos "fault" that the overall schedule was so weak.

Boise State is undefeated. But do you really think the Broncos would be undefeated if they'd...say...played on the road at Florida, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Auburn like LSU did? Or say they had played LSU, Auburn, Arkansas, and Tennessee like Florida did. We'll never know but I sure don't think it's likely.

Big win for Boise State. But they were playing one game against one borderline top 10 team in what was to them the single biggest game of their lives and they spent a month preparing for it. It was a much bigger game to them than it was to their opponent. To me Oklahoma clearly wasn't very sharp and focused to start the game. When it's all said and done both the polls and power ratings will say that the best team Boise State beat this year is maybe around 15th and they will have played one of the weakest overall schedules in the FBS.

[JohnStOnge]

Still, keep in mind that, with this win, the WAC went 3-1 in bowls this year, with the only loss to Miami by one point. Ironically, it was Nevada's failed two point conversion early in that game that possibly kept the WAC from going undefeated.

Also keep in mind that the other three bowl opponents were mediocre to bad teams. Miami needed that win to even finish with a winning season. Their coach was fired.

[JALMOND]

I don't know if "deserve" or "doesn't deserve" is the right way to put it, but given the system I don't think there's any way Boise should be playing Ohio State for the national championship. A 12 - 1 record against the schedule Florida played is, I think, more impressive than 13 - 0 against the schedule Boise State played. If they're going to pick just two teams to play for it all there's no way Boise State belongs.

Now, the playoff thing I agree with. Boise State should have the opportunity to prove it belongs in a national championship game. I agree that it's not necessarily the Broncos "fault" that the overall schedule was so weak.

Boise State is undefeated. But do you really think the Broncos would be undefeated if they'd...say...played on the road at Florida, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Auburn like LSU did? Or say they had played LSU, Auburn, Arkansas, and Tennessee like Florida did. We'll never know but I sure don't think it's likely.

Big win for Boise State. But they were playing one game against one borderline top 10 team in what was to them the single biggest game of their lives. In fact when it's all said and done both the polls and power ratings wills say that the best team Boise State beat this year is maybe around 15th and they will have played one of the weakest overall schedules in the FBS.

Agree. ESPN might have hit the nail on the head with their mock playoff system. Would Boise have been given a shot at the FBS playoffs? See this...

Autobids-
ACC---Boston College
Big East---Louisville
Big Ten---Ohio State
Big 12---Oklahoma
Pac 10---USC
SEC---Florida

At large-
ACC---Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
Big East---Rutgers, West Virginia
Big Ten---Michigan
Big 12---Texas
Pac-10---Cal
SEC---Auburn, Tennessee
Ind---Notre Dame

There's 16 teams there, just like all the other classifications, and no Boise State. Boise could make a case for how well they would do, but it would all be speculation. The committee that would decide it would give various reasons for excluding Boise (see San Diego and Portland State this year), yet in the long run Boise would not be included, and they would be told to live with it.

[UNHWildCats]

Agree. ESPN might have hit the nail on the head with their mock playoff system. Would Boise have been given a shot at the FBS playoffs? See this...

Autobids-
ACC---Boston College
Big East---Louisville
Big Ten---Ohio State
Big 12---Oklahoma
Pac 10---USC
SEC---Florida

At large-
ACC---Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
Big East---Rutgers, West Virginia
Big Ten---Michigan
Big 12---Texas
Pac-10---Cal
SEC---Auburn, Tennessee
Ind---Notre Dame

There's 16 teams there, just like all the other classifications, and no Boise State. Boise could make a case for how well they would do, but it would all be speculation. The committee that would decide it would give various reasons for excluding Boise (see San Diego and Portland State this year), yet in the long run Boise would not be included, and they would be told to live with it.

BC wouldnt have had the auto bid. The at large bids would probably be handed out using a fotmat such as the BCS poll thus Boise St would prolly still get an auto bid. Nebraska prolly would have snuck in ahead of Rutgers beusing your theory of schedule strength over Rutgers.

[JALMOND]

BC wouldnt have had the auto bid. The at large bids would probably be handed out using a fotmat such as the BCS poll thus Boise St would prolly still get an auto bid. Nebraska prolly would have snuck in ahead of Rutgers beusing your theory of schedule strength over Rutgers.

My take, the human side of the FBS committee would include Rutgers. That way they could make a point that they have two Cinderellas in the field (Rutgers and Wake Forest). Others on the outside include Nebraska, LSU and Arkansas. Would Boise's resume look good compared to those?

[Mr. C]

I switched the TV off when Oklahoma got the TD on the interception with a minute left.
Why? There was still plenty of time for Boise State to go down and score a tying TD, as they did. The first thing I thought of when the interception was made was that it almost would have been better for the CB to run out of bounds and then let Oklahoma run down the clock for the game-winning field goal. It was just one of those thoughts, or hunches, I sometimes have after 30 years of covering college football. I just had a hunch that the Boise State QB was going to come back with a TD drive.

[BlueHen86]

Why? There was still plenty of time for Boise State to go down and score a tying TD, as they did. The first thing I thought of when the interception was made was that it almost would have been better for the CB to run out of bounds and then let Oklahoma run down the clock for the game-winning field goal. It was just one of those thoughts, or hunches, I sometimes have after 30 years of covering college football. I just had a hunch that the Boise State QB was going to come back with a TD drive.
That's what I thought too. In fact when they reviewed the play to make sure the CB didn't step out of bounds the TV announcers said that Boise is hoping he did (step out of bounds). I thought exactly the opposite, it's better for Boise if he scores so that they get the ball back with time.

[Cocky]

What the hell is whomp?

It is a type of biscuit. The kind you buy at the grocery store that you whomp up against the counter to open (this is what makes them whomp biscuits). They come in a cylinder shaped container.

[griz8791]

The thread on the Sooner board also links to this apology for the BCS, in which the author argues that the present FBS is far superior to a playoff because in a playoff the "best" team could lose to a "lucky" underdog and that would invalidate the eventual result:

http://baseballsavant.blogspot.com/

The author's "sample size" argument is beguiling, almost hypnotizing, until you snap out of it and realize the guy lives in a world where you can be the "best" even after losing on the field against "inferior" competition. Except that in this altered reality, the "best" programs never have to take the field against "inferior" competition because the system recognizes as undesirable -- and therefore forecloses -- the possibility that the "inferior" competition just might get "lucky."

[Cocky]

. Ridiculous. I agree with Zabransky; Boise State should get a shot at Ohio State.

Yeah, but Ohio State doesn't want to play Boise State.

[catbob]

Those of us who know and understand old style Big Sky football knew that the game was not over yet, even if it was Oklahoma.

Yup. I went to a sports bar to watch this game, and there was about 8-10 people in the bar watching, a couple of them were die-hard BSU fans, but the rest of us were just there to cheer on the Broncs. Nobody left until it was over, and that place went crazy! Best game I have ever seen.

Plus as a Bobcat fan, I have learned to never leave a game early. ;)

[UNHWildCats]

My take, the human side of the FBS committee would include Rutgers. That way they could make a point that they have two Cinderellas in the field (Rutgers and Wake Forest). Others on the outside include Nebraska, LSU and Arkansas. Would Boise's resume look good compared to those?

Wake Forest would have the auto bid for the ACC. I would choose Boise State over Rutgers.

[chiapet9]

Agree. ESPN might have hit the nail on the head with their mock playoff system. Would Boise have been given a shot at the FBS playoffs? See this...

Autobids-
ACC---Boston College
Big East---Louisville
Big Ten---Ohio State
Big 12---Oklahoma
Pac 10---USC
SEC---Florida

At large-
ACC---Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
Big East---Rutgers, West Virginia
Big Ten---Michigan
Big 12---Texas
Pac-10---Cal
SEC---Auburn, Tennessee
Ind---Notre Dame

There's 16 teams there, just like all the other classifications, and no Boise State. Boise could make a case for how well they would do, but it would all be speculation. The committee that would decide it would give various reasons for excluding Boise (see San Diego and Portland State this year), yet in the long run Boise would not be included, and they would be told to live with it.

you can't compare Boise State to either of those teams. San Diego scheduled their toughest game of the season at the end (during the time of the playoffs) AND they lost that game. Portland State went 7-4. there is no comparison to those schools. Yes San Diego had a weaker schedule (and honestly - I think they should have been invited over a 7-4 team, but that's just my opinion and a moot point now...)


We could argue 'weak' conferences and 'weak' schedules till we're blue in the face - you don't know the strength of the team until its decided on the field. Florida played Arkansas and Tennessee this year - both of whom were defeated in their bowl games by Wisconsin and Penn State - two teams from the "weaker" Big 10 conference (since Ohio State and Michigan were the only two "good" teams in that conference this year). So is the Big 10 'weak'? Is the SEC 'weak'? Is the WAC 'weak'? How about the Big 12? Pac-10? That's what playoffs are for....

[89Hen]

Autobids-
ACC---Boston College
Big East---Louisville
Big Ten---Ohio State
Big 12---Oklahoma
Pac 10---USC
SEC---Florida

At large-
ACC---Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
Big East---Rutgers, West Virginia
Big Ten---Michigan
Big 12---Texas
Pac-10---Cal
SEC---Auburn, Tennessee
Ind---Notre Dame

There's 16 teams there, just like all the other classifications, and no Boise State.
As pointed out, Wake was the ACC auto. Either BC or Rutgers would have been out of luck IMO.

[patssle]

Why does the strength of Boise's schedule matter? They are undefeated, their record matters.

It dosn't matter what strength ASU/Montana/UMass or whoever's schedule was. The team with the best record in their conference goes to playoffs.

[UNHWildCats]

you can't compare Boise State to either of those teams. San Diego scheduled their toughest game of the season at the end (during the time of the playoffs) AND they lost that game. Portland State went 7-4. there is no comparison to those schools. Yes San Diego had a weaker schedule (and honestly - I think they should have been invited over a 7-4 team, but that's just my opinion and a moot point now...)


We could argue 'weak' conferences and 'weak' schedules till we're blue in the face - you don't know the strength of the team until its decided on the field. Florida played Arkansas and Tennessee this year - both of whom were defeated in their bowl games by Wisconsin and Penn State - two teams from the "weaker" Big 10 conference (since Ohio State and Michigan were the only two "good" teams in that conference this year). So is the Big 10 'weak'? Is the SEC 'weak'? Is the WAC 'weak'? How about the Big 12? Pac-10? That's what playoffs are for....

Good point. Also lets point out that the WAC is 3-1 in the bowl games this year with the only loss by Nevada 21-20 to the ACC's Miami.

Hawaii defeated Pac 10 school Arizona state and San Jose State defeated New Mexico. Certainly Boise States schedule wasnt that weak. They also defeated a very good Oregon State team that defeated USC

[crunifan]

Umm, tell me why Wisconsin is not an at-large in your scenario?

[BigApp]

yeah, GaTech over Wisconsin...dunno about that one

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

The Boise-Oklahoma game had some similarities to this year's UNH at Northeastern game. That day in Brookline, there were at least three clutch scoring drives down the stretch where each team matched the other team's score. UNH scored on a 21 yard pass play with one second left on the clock. UNH scored a TD in OT, then NU scored a TD on 4th and 8 or so from outside the twenty. The Huskies then went for two and executed it for the one point upset win, 36-35. David Ball made a catch that NU coach Rocky Hager said was the best he had EVER seen in college football. And not surprisingly, David Ball caught the TD at the :01 mark.

Unfortunately, it wasn't on TV so only the 6K+ fans at Parsons that day were lucky enough to see this excellent game! And most of all, you missed a jam packed, electric atmosphere at Parsons! Yes, you read that correctly!!! :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

My main point is that we have many games in FCS just as good as what we saw last night in the Fiesta Bowl. They just don't get as much exposure.

[JALMOND]

Umm, tell me why Wisconsin is not an at-large in your scenario?

Did not take into account the outcomes of the bowl games. If I did, then the argument of Boise getting an at large is valid (a win over Oklahoma shows that Boise could play).

Amending the earlier post, Wake Forest got the auto bid from the ACC, and I still would put Georgia Tech and Boston College as at larges from the ACC.

Carrying your argument further and to bring it back to the topic, who would you pick for the final at large between Wisconsin and Boise State (based on where they both were at the end of the regular season)?

[89Hen]

I still would put Georgia Tech and Boston College as at larges from the ACC.

Carrying your argument further and to bring it back to the topic, who would you pick for the final at large between Wisconsin and Boise State (based on where they both were at the end of the regular season)?
Both. Leave out BC and Rutgers.

[Mr. C]

Did not take into account the outcomes of the bowl games. If I did, then the argument of Boise getting an at large is valid (a win over Oklahoma shows that Boise could play).

Amending the earlier post, Wake Forest got the auto bid from the ACC, and I still would put Georgia Tech and Boston College as at larges from the ACC.

Carrying your argument further and to bring it back to the topic, who would you pick for the final at large between Wisconsin and Boise State (based on where they both were at the end of the regular season)?
The ACC probably had its worst season in my lifetime. Why would you want two at-large teams from a league like that? The fact that Wake Forest won the ACC is a perfect example of just how weak the ACC was.

[Tribefan]

The ACC is something like 1-7 all time in the BCS and the one time they won was against Virginia Tech (Miami's Blacksburg Campus). Last season they sent a 7-4 FSU team to the Orange that was barely even ranked. They deserve an at large bid about as much as the Sun Belt.

[melloAggiesousa]

Just wanted to point out that I was in the Cal Aggie Marching Band when Chris Petersen was the QB for the Aggies in 1985-86. We were D-II and beat D-1A Pacific at home the week before Pacific defeated Minnesota. He was fun to root for then, and just as fun to root for now! Although, if he was QB in '85, then did he lose to NDSU in the playoffs...?

Petersen joins a growing list of coaches from UC Davis making a name for themselves in the now FBS: Belotti at Oregon, Hawkins at Colorado (don't worry, they'll get better), Bob Foster at Cal (Linebackers Coach), etc. who worked under and got their philosophy grounded by Jim Sochor, who is in the College Football Hall of Fame.

[Appaholic]

The ACC probably had its worst season in my lifetime. Why would you want two at-large teams from a league like that? The fact that Wake Forest won the ACC is a perfect example of just how weak the ACC was.

I agree....and I'm from ACC country. The ACC was horrible this year....no way they deserve anyone besides the auto bid at the expense of a Wisconsin or Rutgers. :asswhip:

I was very impressed with Boise's resilience Monday night. Personally, I am going to pull for Florida in the hopes that Boise is the only undefeated left......it worked for BYU in the eighties?.?.?:beerchug:

[Appaholic]

The ACC is something like 1-7 all time in the BCS and the one time they won was against Virginia Tech (Miami's Blacksburg Campus). Last season they sent a 7-4 FSU team to the Orange that was barely even ranked. They deserve an at large bid about as much as the Sun Belt.

Totally agree....based upon the ACC record you stated, I'm not so sure the ACC deserves an auto bid for BCS. Wake Forest is a heartwarming story and they played respectfully last night......but c'mon, it's Wake Forest:confused:

[Tribefan]

Totally agree....based upon the ACC record you stated, I'm not so sure the ACC deserves an auto bid for BCS. Wake Forest is a heartwarming story and they played respectfully last night......but c'mon, it's Wake Forest:confused:

Nah if the ACC was in danger of losing its BCS bid then Swofford would just raid another conference resulting in the destruction of another high major basketball conference.

[unknown-swac]

Lets be realistic....Miami, FSU, VT, Maryland and even GT wont be down for long. Watching GT play WVU I can only wonder how much better they wouldve been had Chan Gailey benched Reggie Ball and played the QB that showed what Calvin Johnson was capable of with a good QB throwing him the ball.

[McNeese75]

Fire Stoops!

Won't go that far, but I guarantee you OU fans consider this is an embarassment and will be really hacked off.


Stoops got punked :nod:

[mistersykes]

Lets be realistic....Miami, FSU, VT, Maryland and even GT wont be down for long. Watching GT play WVU I can only wonder how much better they wouldve been had Chan Gailey benched Reggie Ball and played the QB that showed what Calvin Johnson was capable of with a good QB throwing him the ball.

True. GT under Gailey has been consistently very solid, but never great.