Is Wyoming next to FCS?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/uw-athletic-director-explains-cuts-to-athletic-department/article_a85ded42-6f3b-11e6-b4a0-37681a72faa0.html


LARAMIE – All University of Wyoming departments and units are facing budget reductions, including the athletics department. While some people state the importance of keeping the sports programs funded, others argue it should be cut further.

The Financial Crisis Advisory Committee, a group created to analyze and create a possible plan for Fiscal Year 2018 budget reductions, heard Athletics Director Tom Burman speak about his monetary situation.

The committee is tasked with finding $15 million in cuts for the FY 2018 budget and is currently considering a $1.2 million reduction to the athletics’ budget. The committee report is not final – it would be passed on to UW President Laurie Nichols to make final budget decisions.

The athletics’ budget is about $35 million, Burman said. While UW allocates about $12 million to athletics, a unique fiscal agreement requires the program to return $2.3 million back to administration during the course of the year, leaving the total Section I funding to athletics at about $9.7 million – the largest single contributor to the budget at about a third. This is about 5 to 6 percent of the total UW Section I budget, Burman said.

Student fees supply another $2 million. State matching funds of $4 million are included, as well as nearly $3 million from the Cowboy Joe Club. Funding from the Mountain West Conference, the NCAA and ticket and concession sales round out the budget.

One suggestion offered by UW faculty and others around the state is the possibly of lowering the football program to a lower division. Currently, UW competes in the Mountain West. Dropping a level would likely put the program in the Big Sky Conference with teams like University of Northern Colorado, University of Montana, Montana State University and Idaho State University.

“Moving down a level is not a solution,” Burman said. “In fact, it will only compound some of our issues. We in athletics recognize the hardship we are all facing, and we believe in shared sacrifice. Cutting $1.2 million from our budget will be very painful.”

Such a drop could have various affects on athletics, Burman said. According to NCAA rules, UW gets 85 scholarships for competing in the Mountain West. A Big Sky school receives 63 scholarships.

"The Mountain West revenue we receive is about $3.4 million,” he said. “The Big Sky payout is about $100,000.”

Much to unpack here.

[MrTitleist]

No.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I don't see why. Wyoming has not been a consistently poor program at the FBS level. There by no means a powerhouse but the Cowboys have had moments of national relevancy. Plus, Laramie is not that far removed from the Front Range metro area.

[F'N Hawks]

Maybe they should drop to D2. Or drop football. Or play three money games on the road per year. xbangx

[Laker]

I don't see it happening. It is the only FBS school in the state. Heck, unless something has changed, it is the ONLY four year school in the state (unless you want to count Wyoming Catholic- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming_Catholic_College I'll believe it when I see it. It might be different if you had two main schools like the Dakota's and Montana. But I doubt it.

Alaska is looking into various options, such as dropping sports- especially hockey- at Anchorage and Fairbanks. Whether that is a publicity move or not- hockey travel has to be expensive. Check that- athletic travel in general for them and Hawaii.

[POD Knows]

I don't see why. Wyoming has not been a consistently poor program at the FBS level. There by no means a powerhouse but the Cowboys have had moments of national relevancy. Plus, Laramie is not that far removed from the Front Range metro area.

Oooooook xchinscratchx

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Pertinent to the discussion, Wyoming's athletic subsidy sits at a shade over 43% of the budget, including the "revenue loss" from the weird $2,3 million "payback to the school" providion.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Not the biggest subsidy in FBS, but not insignificant either, considering the budget cut requirement.

[RootinFerDukes]

First off, anytime anyone says "faculty are suggesting this" you have to stop right there. Their opinion means nothing and only a quote from a university president or AD would hold any weight.
Faculty have been trying to get umass to drop back down. Even at Texas, there are extreme faculty that if given the power, would discontinue their football program in the name of academia.

Anyways, even IF they dropped down, the big sky inn is no vacancy. They may not have a port for their ship. Fcs conferences shouldn't add a ridiculous amount of fbs cast offs just because they can. Your conference owes them nothing.

Meanwhile, how ironic would it be for Craig Bohl to go from Fcs ndsu to Wyoming only to be relegated back down to Fcs with a much ****tier program. Talk about a downgrade lol

[walliver]

Would there really be any cost savings to a move to FCS? They could eliminate 22 men's scholarships, but reducing women's scholarships would be very difficult. Travel would still be expensive. They would lose the money from whatever TV deal the Mountain West has. They would lose the free money from the "College Football Playoff". I don't see any real savings.

Idaho moved because no conference in FBS wanted them. That doesn't seem to be the case for Wyoming.

[dgtw]

I don't see it happening. They would get kicked out of the MWC and would still be in a league where they had to fly everywhere. Plus the cash from money games is about half at the FCS level. Donor money would also decrease. How much would they save if they dropped swimming? It isn't even a league sport for men.


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[FormerPokeCenter]

I wouldn't mind seeing Wyoming drop down, however, I think they should be forced to give up the bucking horse logo they sued us and a high school over...

[Laker]

I wouldn't mind seeing Wyoming drop down, however, I think they should be forced to give up the bucking horse logo they sued us and a high school over...

I believe that was Breckinridge, MN.

[Bison56]

I believe that was Breckinridge, MN.

You are correct sir.

[Grizalltheway]

I wouldn't mind seeing Wyoming drop down, however, I think they should be forced to give up the bucking horse logo they sued us and a high school over...

Well, to be fair, how many cowboys are there in southwestern LA? xeyebrowx

[ZableNoise]

I grew up going to Air Force football games and I'd hate to see Wyoming leave the conference. We've already lost BYU and Utah, I really want CSU, Wyoming, and New Mexico to stick around.

[IBleedYellow]

Won't happen.

[F'N Hawks]

Where are all the Bison fans with their forensic accounting suggestions for Wyoming?

[DSUrocks07]

Would there really be any cost savings to a move to FCS? They could eliminate 22 men's scholarships, but reducing women's scholarships would be very difficult. Travel would still be expensive. They would lose the money from whatever TV deal the Mountain West has. They would lose the free money from the "College Football Playoff". I don't see any real savings.

Idaho moved because no conference in FBS wanted them. That doesn't seem to be the case for Wyoming.


I don't see it happening. They would get kicked out of the MWC and would still be in a league where they had to fly everywhere. Plus the cash from money games is about half at the FCS level. Donor money would also decrease. How much would they save if they dropped swimming? It isn't even a league sport for men.


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which goes toward the "it's not a solution" statement from the article.

But FCS purists will still believe that bringing low tier FBS programs into the fold will somehow "raise up the rest of the subdivision". xrotatehx

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[dewey]

I believe that was Breckinridge, MN.

Freaking Wyoming. That high school, Breckenridge Cowboys and Cowgirls, is where I went to school...20 years ago.

Dewey

[MrTitleist]

I wouldn't mind seeing Wyoming drop down, however, I think they should be forced to give up the bucking horse logo they sued us and a high school over...

Stop using **** that isn't yours. Everyone on Earth knows that's one of the most protected logos in the world. They tried coming after me over something I wasn't responsible for.

In other news, like someone said above, once the faculty recommends it, just stop reading. This is probably the case at every school, academics doesn't think they're funded enough.. or maybe, we start cutting programs that aren't relevant to today's world. Wyoming cut a few humanities programs and are refocusing their efforts towards engineering and agriculture (things that make money, and produce employable grads vs well, minimum wage workers). Wyoming's boom and bust economy is pretty silly right now. North Dakota may be experiencing similar short falls right now after many years of booming economies. Luckily Wyoming is smart enough to have a rainy day fund for these types of things, so business will carry on.

Also, for some reason, Wyoming makes a ton off of ESPN games.. one of the most profitable in the conference besides Boise and one or two others. One game on ESPN pays more than they'd get in a full season in the Big Sky.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Stop using **** that isn't yours. Everyone on Earth knows that's one of the most protected logos in the world. They tried coming after me over something I wasn't responsible for.

In other news, like someone said above, once the faculty recommends it, just stop reading. This is probably the case at every school, academics doesn't think they're funded enough.. or maybe, we start cutting programs that aren't relevant to today's world. Wyoming cut a few humanities programs and are refocusing their efforts towards engineering and agriculture (things that make money, and produce employable grads vs well, minimum wage workers). Wyoming's boom and bust economy is pretty silly right now. North Dakota may be experiencing similar short falls right now after many years of booming economies. Luckily Wyoming is smart enough to have a rainy day fund for these types of things, so business will carry on.

Also, for some reason, Wyoming makes a ton off of ESPN games.. one of the most profitable in the conference besides Boise and one or two others. One game on ESPN pays more than they'd get in a full season in the Big Sky.

1. The Mountain West's TV deal is structured so that whatever school appears on ESPN in a Mountain West conference game, they get a "bonus". Undoubtedly it is a nice windfall - however, Wyoming was dreadful last season and are not a shoo-in for an ESPN appearance necessarily this year.

It's also extremely likely to change for the worse when the Mountain West's TV contracts are up for renegotiation soon. See what happened to C-USA.

2. The faculty does not run athletics departments. But some university presidents - shock! - do listen to the grievances of the faculty, and whatever their griping, athletics appear to be affected by the budget cuts. Assuming there are some cuts, the question becomes where.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If Whyoming dropped to FCS two good things would come of it, that cats would finally have a travel partner and peer school and the BSC could get rid of a ****ty program like Eastern

[IBleedYellow]

2. The faculty does not run athletics departments. But some university presidents - shock! - do listen to the grievances of the faculty, and whatever their griping, athletics appear to be affected by the budget cuts. Assuming there are some cuts, the question becomes where.


You're posting just like the NDSU fans that are dreaming that UND would drop to D2.

Neither situation is going to happen. Faculty doesn't have that much pull in an University.

[melloware13]

I wouldn't mind seeing Wyoming drop down, however, I think they should be forced to give up the bucking horse logo they sued us and a high school over...
There's a high school in the Lehigh Valley that uses a flipped version of the logo, in brown and white. Granted, Catasauqua is in the second smallest category of schools with a lot of the coal-town schools.

On the topic, no FBS school is going to move down unless they don't have a conference to be in. Only remote chance as of now is UMass

[RootinFerDukes]

There's a high school in the Lehigh Valley that uses a flipped version of the logo, in brown and white. Granted, Catasauqua is in the second smallest category of schools with a lot of the coal-town schools.

On the topic, no FBS school is going to move down unless they don't have a conference to be in. Only remote chance as of now is UMass

New Mexico State also. I agree though. If you have a port in the storm, you're not going anywhere.

[Laker]

New Mexico State also. I agree though. If you have a port in the storm, you're not going anywhere.

NM State was hoping to get into the MWC if the Big 12 took someone like Colorado State. But none of the MWC schools made the cut so that is unlikely.

[MrTitleist]

Funny this topic came up today.. apparently there was a UW faculty member that had some grievances w/ Craig Bohl's salary.
http://www.wyonation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14811

[Sader87]

i know it's a function of the scale of economics at the FBS-level but a $1MM/year salary for a coach at Wyoming (or really any other school) is pretty outrageous.

[Laker]

NM State was hoping to get into the MWC if the Big 12 took someone like Colorado State. But none of the MWC schools made the cut so that is unlikely.

And now I read contrary information:

BREAKING : CBS4 has learned CSU has made the first "cut" as the Big 12 Conference mulls expansion. 18 interested schools now whittled to 6-8

[MrTitleist]

i know it's a function of the scale of economics at the FBS-level but a $1MM/year salary for a coach at Wyoming (or really any other school) is pretty outrageous.

Look at the average salary at the Power 5 schools for coaches.. it's climbing every year.

[centennial]

i know it's a function of the scale of economics at the FBS-level but a $1MM/year salary for a coach at Wyoming (or really any other school) is pretty outrageous.

This is why either Bohl gets them to a bowl in the next 2 years or he is gone. They could just pay like the MAC schools- 400k. Especially since they can't even win recruiting battles over the upper MVFC, and MAC.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Look at the average salary at the Power 5 schools for coaches.. it's climbing every year.

You don't play on that level at Wyoming so that isn't the comparison I wouldn't think. It may be where you should be among your peers but the P5 isn't the measure.

[Hammersmith]

Freaking Wyoming. That high school, Breckenridge Cowboys and Cowgirls, is where I went to school...20 years ago.

Dewey

Loser. Go Wops. ;)

[Twentysix]

Loser. Go Wops. ;)

Good spaghetti around those parts? xeyebrowx

[Hammerhead]

Wyoming only has about 564,000 residents. The next smallest state with an FBS team is Hawaii with 1.3 million.


I don't see it happening. It is the only FBS school in the state. Heck, unless something has changed, it is the ONLY four year school in the state (unless you want to count Wyoming Catholic- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming_Catholic_College I'll believe it when I see it. It might be different if you had two main schools like the Dakota's and Montana. But I doubt it.

Alaska is looking into various options, such as dropping sports- especially hockey- at Anchorage and Fairbanks. Whether that is a publicity move or not- hockey travel has to be expensive. Check that- athletic travel in general for them and Hawaii.

[Hammersmith]

Good spaghetti around those parts? xeyebrowx

The cross-river rival to Breckenridge, MN is Wahpeton, ND. Back in the 1920s and 30s, the HS sports teams started being called the Wahps. Lazy sportswriters shortened it to Wops. Since the local Italian community in ND was basically zero, nobody thought of it as a slur. Most around here didn't even know it was a slur until it was explained to them.

Attempts to change the name started in the 80's, and it was finally changed in '91 or '92. Since our town name started with a W, and our colors were already purple and gold, it was pretty easy to change to the Huskies and steal Washington's designs. If dewey graduated 20 years ago, he would have been in school around the time of the nickname change and would have gotten the reference.

[1984]

I don't see it happening. It is the only FBS school in the state. Heck, unless something has changed, it is the ONLY four year school in the state (unless you want to count Wyoming Catholic- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming_Catholic_College I'll believe it when I see it. It might be different if you had two main schools like the Dakota's and Montana. But I doubt it.

Alaska is looking into various options, such as dropping sports- especially hockey- at Anchorage and Fairbanks. Whether that is a publicity move or not- hockey travel has to be expensive. Check that- athletic travel in general for them and Hawaii.
Seeing as to how Alaska has only one University(yes UAA and UAF are considered one university)
they are staffed and budgeted as one. You do not transfer from one to the other you simply register for classes at the campus you want to attend. It makes fiscal sense to not fund two teams.

[1984]

i know it's a function of the scale of economics at the FBS-level but a $1MM/year salary for a coach at Wyoming (or really any other school) is pretty outrageous.

About 1/2 of the salary is bonus incentives. In other words the team must win football games, conference championships, get into bowl games and win for him to collect. So with a team that sucks coach is not getting much of those incentives.

[dgtw]

Seeing as to how Alaska has only one University(yes UAA and UAF are considered one university)
they are staffed and budgeted as one. You do not transfer from one to the other you simply register for classes at the campus you want to attend. It makes fiscal sense to not fund two teams.

The Alaska hockey teams are in a league with a team in Alabama.


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[NY Crusader 2010]

The Alaska hockey teams are in a league with a team in Alabama.


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But they're the first two states in the country in alphabetical order. So I'm pretty sure that's grounds for a huge rivalry.

[McNeese75]

Well, to be fair, how many cowboys are there in southwestern LA? xeyebrowx

You would be surprised.

https://plexuss.com/news/article/12-Colleges-With-a-Rodeo-Team

[SeattleBobcat]

First off, anytime anyone says "faculty are suggesting this" you have to stop right there. Their opinion means nothing and only a quote from a university president or AD would hold any weight.
Faculty have been trying to get umass to drop back down. Even at Texas, there are extreme faculty that if given the power, would discontinue their football program in the name of academia.

Anyways, even IF they dropped down, the big sky inn is no vacancy. They may not have a port for their ship. Fcs conferences shouldn't add a ridiculous amount of fbs cast offs just because they can. Your conference owes them nothing.

Meanwhile, how ironic would it be for Craig Bohl to go from Fcs ndsu to Wyoming only to be relegated back down to Fcs with a much ****tier program. Talk about a downgrade lol

Shoot, We'd throw UND out on their *** if Wyoming wanted into the Big Sky.

[Redbird007]

Agree with many there is not a chance at this point. If they are done in Division 1 FBS then it makes little or no sense (cents) for any FCS team to think about moving up.

[MrTitleist]

You don't play on that level at Wyoming so that isn't the comparison I wouldn't think. It may be where you should be among your peers but the P5 isn't the measure.

Doesn't matter.. you gotta try to keep up w/ the Jones's. Look at what Group of Five coaches are making. You think a guy like Tom Herman is cheap? Or Justin Fuente? Bohl is middle of the road in salary in the MW... at $1million/year.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Doesn't matter.. you gotta try to keep up w/ the Jones's. Look at what Group of Five coaches are making. You think a guy like Tom Herman is cheap? Or Justin Fuente? Bohl is middle of the road in salary in the MW... at $1million/year.

I have no idea, I don't know who you are talking about. I said very clearly, it may be where you should be, but this is always the part where it gets sort of comical...the G5 and those outside the P5 can try all they want but you are not and can not afford to compete in that area. It is not equal and it has got to be realized by those paying the bills because you do not pay at the level P5 does. You pay much less right?

Just saying those are not the comparisons to make because those are not your peers. The rest of the G5 is. Making it Apples to Apples is the gist of it.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The real question is could Whyoming be competitive in the FCS/BSC?

I think they would be like a montana state or UND team most years. middle of the pack team in the BSC.

[JimmyJack]

Not sure if it is meaningful information, but Wyoming President Laurie Nichols was, until just recently, provost at South Dakota State University. I suppose that information might suggest she has a very good understanding of FCS-level football and the conference landscape for FCS football and other sports.

[TheRevSFA]

No

you can just end the thread

[kalm]

If Whyoming dropped to FCS two good things would come of it, that cats would finally have a travel partner and peer school and the BSC could get rid of a ****ty program like Eastern

Sorry about the NC, 3 straight conference titles, Paytons, Buchanons, Pac 12 scalp and 5 of the last 7.

Guess we'll drop back down now.

[Bison56]

Sorry about the NC, 3 straight conference titles, Paytons, Buchanons, Pac 12 scalp and 5 of the last 7.

Guess we'll drop back down now.
xlolx

[Catbooster]

I don't think there's any serious consideration of WY dropping to FCS. Even Idaho probably wouldn't have done it if they had a stable conference situation.

Speaking of million dollar salaries - I read, back when Idaho decided to drop down, that Petrino has a 1 million dollar salary (not sure how much of that is incentives, etc). Considering the BSC coaches are all probably around a quarter of that, I wonder how they will handle that over the next few years

[veinup]

thatd be, what .. fourteen big sky teams?

[Grizalltheway]

thatd be, what .. fourteen big sky teams?

It'll already be at 14 when Idaho joins.

[Twentysix]

I don't think there's any serious consideration of WY dropping to FCS. Even Idaho probably wouldn't have done it if they had a stable conference situation.

Speaking of million dollar salaries - I read, back when Idaho decided to drop down, that Petrino has a 1 million dollar salary (not sure how much of that is incentives, etc). Considering the BSC coaches are all probably around a quarter of that, I wonder how they will handle that over the next few years

EZ force him out immediately.

[thebootfitter]

Would there really be any cost savings to a move to FCS? They could eliminate 22 men's scholarships, but reducing women's scholarships would be very difficult. Travel would still be expensive. They would lose the money from whatever TV deal the Mountain West has. They would lose the free money from the "College Football Playoff". I don't see any real savings.

Idaho moved because no conference in FBS wanted them. That doesn't seem to be the case for Wyoming.
Coaches' salaries would be far less. Not sure how much that totals overall, nor whether it translates to net savings, but definitely would have an impact.

[dgtw]

I don't think there's any serious consideration of WY dropping to FCS. Even Idaho probably wouldn't have done it if they had a stable conference situation.


I agree. When Idaho got kicked out of the Sun Belt, I bet their AD called the MWC just to see if they could get in and only dropped down after that.

[centennial]

I don't see why. Wyoming has not been a consistently poor program at the FBS level. There by no means a powerhouse but the Cowboys have had moments of national relevancy. Plus, Laramie is not that far removed from the Front Range metro area.

Not many people care about Wyoming in the Denver metro. Pro sports>>> CU>CSU = DU>>> UNC= Wyoming. The only ones I've seen talk about football is the alumni, most WY transplants don't care much.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

More heat on this coming from a multi-part series from the SL Trib:

http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/football/fb-like-recent-foe-eastern-michigan-wyoming-facing-questions-about/article_e891f8e9-25b7-559f-98f4-80b84054471f.html

[FargoBison]

Wyo has a solid basketball program, I can't imagine them wanting to leave the MWC. The Big Sky would be a massive downgrade from that perspective.

[F'N Hawks]

That Eastern Michigan/Wyoming game was painful. Two bad football teams trying to lose the game. Wyoming proved better at it.

[clenz]

Wyo has a solid basketball program, I can't imagine them wanting to leave the MWC. The Big Sky would be a massive downgrade from that perspective.
UNI is closer to the MWC than Wyo is the FCS.

That's to say, neither is close.

[PantherRob82]

Every sign points to no. Not sure why this is even a discussion.

[dewey]

That Eastern Michigan/Wyoming game was painful. Two bad football teams trying to lose the game. Wyoming proved better at it.

You watched the Eastern Michigan vs. Wyoming game? Were you kidnapped and forced to watch it:D

Dewey

[Schism55]

You watched the Eastern Michigan vs. Wyoming game? Were you kidnapped and forced to watch it:D

Dewey
I watched a little of it haha. Have you seen Eastern's gray turf?? It looks like nuclear winter is currently taking place in Ypsilanti.

[Thumper 76]

I watched a little of it haha. Have you seen Eastern's gray turf?? It looks like nuclear winter is currently taking place in Ypsilanti.

It feels like somebody is using the photoshop tool that only highlights one color and makes the rest black and while

[F'N Hawks]

You watched the Eastern Michigan vs. Wyoming game? Were you kidnapped and forced to watch it:D

Dewey

I may or may not have bet on it. I may or may not have lost. :(

[Grizalltheway]

That Eastern Michigan/Wyoming game was painful. Two bad football teams trying to lose the game. Wyoming proved better at it.

Funny, that's exactly what I thought watching what little I did of the MSU/UND game...

[F'N Hawks]

Funny, that's exactly what I thought watching what little I did of the MSU/UND game...

It wasn't pretty.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Every sign points to no. Not sure why this is even a discussion.

Apparently you need to write the Salt Lake Tribune because they feel it deserves a multi-part series.

[ST_Lawson]

I may or may not have bet on it. I may or may not have lost. :(

Oh, I see...you lost a bet and were forced to watch the game. That makes sense.

[jacksfan29]

I watched a little of it haha. Have you seen Eastern's gray turf?? It looks like nuclear winter is currently taking place in Ypsilanti.

Stopped at a bar/restaurant and they had the game on. We were sitting about 15 feet away from the tv, I actually asked the waitress if there was something wrong with the color settings on the tv. Hideous, absolutely hideous.

[dgtw]

Every so often some school says they might drop football and the message boards freak out. It isn't going to happen.


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[clenz]

Apparently you need to write the Salt Lake Tribune because they feel it deserves a multi-part series.
Some times websites want clicks for ad money and someone needs an article to write.

Two birds
One stone

[Bison56]

I like how Wyoming fans think that they actually had a good program at one time.

[PantherRob82]

Regardless of the quality of the team, at least people still attend games.

[Thundar]

Funny, that's exactly what I thought watching what little I did of the MSU/UND game...

I was going to say this exact same thing

[PantherRob82]

I would love some new blood in FCS, but I don't see anyone else coming back anytime soon. Maybe if Idaho is successful and gets more fans and says they are doing better financially.

[BisonTru]

Stopped at a bar/restaurant and they had the game on. We were sitting about 15 feet away from the tv, I actually asked the waitress if there was something wrong with the color settings on the tv. Hideous, absolutely hideous.

I'm not a big fan of colored turf, but grey is probably the best I've seen. The players stick out pretty good against it.

[Laker]

No, they won't go FCS.

[Thundar]

I would love some new blood in FCS, but I don't see anyone else coming back anytime soon. Maybe if Idaho is successful and gets more fans and says they are doing better financially.

don't be fooled, all eyes are on them for results and fiscal reports from the bottom dwellers of the G5. they were the sacrificial lamb so to say....this isn't the last I don't think

I wish the "power" FCS conferences would push to add a few more Schollies get some more of the lower G5 down and let loose the non scholly and non full scholly schools currently watering down the FCS.

maybe I'm wrong but 70 would be a good number for the next level IMO

[dewey]

I may or may not have bet on it. I may or may not have lost. :(

Was the bet if you could watch the entire game?...LOL!

As bad as the gray turf is Central Arkansas's is way worse.

Dewey

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Craig Bohl has Wyoming rolling. 5-2 and 3-0 in the MWC...

They get Boise State in Laramie next week. That will be a great game!

[Schism55]

Indeed. Happy to see coach Bohl having the Cowboys at full sprint!

[dewey]

Indeed. Happy to see coach Bohl having the Cowboys at full sprint!

Agreed. It is good to see coach Bohl doing well at Wyoming.

Dewey

[Laker]

To paraphrase Samuel Clemens, the death of Wyoming football has been greatly exaggerated.

[SDSUAlum08]

Laurie Nichols (Wyoming President) just came to Wyoming from South Dakota State and was actually in this weekend's Hobo Day parade.

[h5322rsh]

Laurie Nichols (Wyoming President) just came to Wyoming from South Dakota State and was actually in this weekend's Hobo Day parade.

Does not seem fun at Laraime, but a winning season may take the pressure off and she will make them better.

[h5322rsh]

Craig Bohl has Wyoming rolling. 5-2 and 3-0 in the MWC...

They get Boise State in Laramie next week. That will be a great game!

I see Boise State is undefeated. 7-0, and will most likely be 8-0. Wyoming is not playing good defense. Nevada put up 35 on them.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Wyoming beat #13 Boise State 30-28 in Laramie! Bohl has the Cowboys playing their best ball in years! They could be ranked.

Wyoming was never a bad gig. There's a history of winning there. But they're definitely not immune to sucking either. Similar to Colorado State.....

[Daytripper]

Wyoming beat #13 Boise State 30-28 in Laramie! Bohl has the Cowboys playing their best ball in years! They could be ranked.

Wyoming was never a bad gig. There's a history of winning there. But they're definitely not immune to sucking either. Similar to Colorado State.....

Congrats to Coach Bohl. Hope he makes Wyoming a consistent winner.

[centennial]

Bohl is gone after this year.

[Daytripper]

Bohl is gone after this year.

To where?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

To where?

That was my though as well. Kansas State if Bill Snyder finally retires? Bohl seems like a bit of quirky guy and has baggage.

[FargoBison]

To where?

Somewhere, not exactly a plethora of great coaching names out there. He had a few rough seasons at Wyo but his resume as a whole is solid.

[dewey]

Great win by Coach Bohl and Wyoming tonight. It is good to see Wyoming having a good year.

Makes you wonder if Wyoming has 1 good year is that enough for him to move to a power 5 team? Or would it take 2 years of winning there?

Dewey

[Professor Chaos]

This win against Boise St's was Bohl's "paycheck win" similar to NDSU's win against Kansas St in 2013. It's ironic that as recently as last month, when Wyoming lost on the road to Eastern Michigan to drop to 1-2, their fans were calling for Bohl's head. Now they're hoping the big school's don't sweep in to pluck him away.

All I can say is "Stay the **** away from Chris Klieman Wyoming!"

[centennial]

To where?
Plenty of jobs around. Purdue will probably top the list, there might be some PAC 12, SEC openings too. Funny thing is Wyoming thinks Bohl won't leave. They are wrong, you don't say no to a P5 head coaching position (maybe if you are named Kansas).

[Cocky]

If I were Iowa State, Purdue, Northwestern, Kansas or any other school in the Midwest, I would hire him. May not turn it around but he is a winner who would have better odds than most.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

If I were Iowa State, Purdue, Northwestern, Kansas or any other school in the Midwest, I would hire him. May not turn it around but he is a winner who would have better odds than most.

Fitzgerald is fine at Northwestern.

Personally, I'd like to see Bohl at Kansas State. Given how "meh" the Big 12 has become and the Wildcats prolonged success under Snyder I think Bohl could win big there. My guess is KSU stays in house though.

[SUUTbird]

If I were Iowa State, Purdue, Northwestern, Kansas or any other school in the Midwest, I would hire him. May not turn it around but he is a winner who would have better odds than most.

Iowa State and Kansas just barely hired new coaches this season so I don't see them getting rid of them anytime soon. Also Les Miles is probably topping most schools looking for coaches lists, nothing against Bohl but that's just the truth of it.

[centennial]

Iowa State and Kansas just barely hired new coaches this season so I don't see them getting rid of them anytime soon. Also Les Miles is probably topping most schools looking for coaches lists, nothing against Bohl but that's just the truth of it.

Sure but Les Miles can take one position. Bohl has a solid turn around resume. He just beat an undefeated Boise State. All I am saying is it is unlikely he is there after this season. Bohl still needs 2 more wins and a bowl win. If he wins out completely, he is gone.

[SUUTbird]

I would list Bohl leaving as a solid Maybe, considering he stuck around at NDSU for years despite winning several national championships.

[Professor Chaos]

I would list Bohl leaving as a solid Maybe, considering he stuck around at NDSU for years despite winning several national championships.
I wouldn't say that considering he essentially left about 23 months after winning his first national title at NDSU.

[Bisonator]

I would list Bohl leaving as a solid Maybe, considering he stuck around at NDSU for years despite winning several national championships.

It's not like he had many opportunities. He took the Wyoming job ffs. He really wanted the Minnesota job but wasn't seriously considered.

[Bisonator]

I think Miles goes into broadcasting.

[centennial]

I wouldn't say that considering he essentially left about 23 months after winning his first national title at NDSU.
Let's put this in perspective. Bohl did NOT think we could win the 2014 NC. He took his losses and went to Wyoming. We were losing a lot of players from a senior loaded team. The Nebraska job isn't coming. There are other schools that will take him.

What happens if Bohl can only win 6 next season? If he wants to move to a P5, now is the time. IMO KState would be perfect for him.

[clenz]

If I were Iowa State, Purdue, Northwestern, Kansas or any other school in the Midwest, I would hire him. May not turn it around but he is a winner who would have better odds than most.
Iowa State just hired a new coach this year. While the record sucks they have shown MAJOR signs of improvement as the season has gone on. I hate to say it, but I think they have the right coach to actually win a few games there moving forward.

Fitzgerald has done things at Northwestern that seem impossible. Twice in the last 4 seasons he's won 10 games. He's been to 7 bowls in 10 seasons. He'll likely get to another bowl this year and is tied for second in the B1G West. 4 games left and I'd bet they go 3-1 (WI, Purdue, MN, Illinois). Worst case scenario is 2-2 which still gets them a bowl. Number of 10 win seasons prior to him coaching? 1....which he was a captain and best player of that team

Purdue will make a massive run at either Miles or Pelini.

Only someone desperate for a P5 job would take Kansas - see Turner Gil. They are on their 4th coach since 2010. They didn't like the attitude of the only coach to ever win since the start of the Baby Boomer era so they canned him. There are few places I'd say it's impossible to win at in the P5 - Kansas is one of them.

[Thumper 76]

I wouldn't say that considering he essentially left about 23 months after winning his first national title at NDSU.

Which is pretty much two years. That's not close to leaving immediately.


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[clenz]

Which is pretty much two years. That's not close to leaving immediately.


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How does it compare to FCS coaches who have moved on after winning FCS titles (parlayed it into "bigger jobs")

[Laker]

I was able to watch part of this game, among others (like NDSU-UNI) on TV after getting back from Mankato. Ironic that the winning points came on a safety. Huge win for the Cowboys.

I guess that the talk of going FCS will get set back for awhile.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Wyoming playing Utah State on ESPN2. Cowboys looking good early on. Great atmosphere in Laramie....