Preseason Massey Ratings

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Give it a gander.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

[skinny_uncle]

Not to be confused with http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cf2016&sub=11605

[WTFCollegefootballfan]

Give it a gander.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

WOW, the James England ratings are kind strange.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Not to be confused with http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cf2016&sub=11605

Was I misrepping it or something? I changed the title to ratings if that is the problem?

[dewey]

Was I misrepping it or something? I changed the title to ratings if that is the problem?

So is there 2 Massey ratings?xconfusedx

Dewey

[Hammersmith]

So is there 2 Massey ratings?xconfusedx

Dewey

Yes. There is the Massey rating that is based off of Ken Massey's model. Then there is the Massey Ranking Composite which is an average of 10+ rating systems and polls(including Massey and AGS). Normally saying just Massey refers to the former, while saying Massey Composite refers to the latter.

[AmsterBison]

One of the ratings systems from the Massey Composite: England

Here's ENG's top 20:
1. Dartmouth
2. Portland State
3. Southern Utah
4. Illinois State
5. Princeton
6. Penn
7. NDSU
8. James Madison
9. Jacksonville State
10. William and Mary
11. Chatty
12. Harvard
13. Northern Iowa
14. SDSU
15. Tennessee-Martin
16. Richmond
17. NC AT&T
18. McNeese State
19. Brown
20. Charleston Southern

[WTFCollegefootballfan]

One of the ratings systems from the Massey Composite: England

Here's ENG's top 20:
1. Dartmouth
2. Portland State
3. Southern Utah
4. Illinois State
5. Princeton
6. Penn
7. NDSU
8. James Madison
9. Jacksonville State
10. William and Mary
11. Chatty
12. Harvard
13. Northern Iowa
14. SDSU
15. Tennessee-Martin
16. Richmond
17. NC AT&T
18. McNeese State
19. Brown
20. Charleston Southern
How does he justify this?

[JSUSoutherner]

One of the ratings systems from the Massey Composite: England

Here's ENG's top 20:
1. Dartmouth
2. Portland State
3. Southern Utah
4. Illinois State
5. Princeton
6. Penn
7. NDSU
8. James Madison
9. Jacksonville State
10. William and Mary
11. Chatty
12. Harvard
13. Northern Iowa
14. SDSU
15. Tennessee-Martin
16. Richmond
17. NC AT&T
18. McNeese State
19. Brown
20. Charleston Southern
wut.

[Hammersmith]

How does he justify this?

Obviously his statistical model has a couple flaws. He must be putting too much emphasis on some stat, or too little on something else. What do those top 5 schools have in common?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Obviously his statistical model has a couple flaws. He must be putting too much emphasis on some stat, or too little on something else. What do those top 5 schools have in common?

Maybe It's a points scored/points allowed thing looking at it with just a cursory glance. NDSU and UNI would seem to be in tighter contests than the top 5 just off the top of my head and SUU and PSU had some major blowouts last season.

[JSUSoutherner]

Maybe It's a points scored/points allowed thing looking at it with just a cursory glance. NDSU and UNI would seem to be in tighter contests than the top 5 just off the top of my head and SUU and PSU had some major blowouts last season.

Wouldnt that put us above NDSU though?

[geaux_sioux]

Wouldnt that put us above NDSU though?
No, BMI is the mostly heavily weighted stat.

[JSUSoutherner]

No, BMI is the mostly heavily weighted stat.
Then shouldn't your group of pissed off gym rats be at the top?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Wouldnt that put us above NDSU though?

Don't know, as I mentioned, it was a cursory glance.

[Hammersmith]

Maybe It's a points scored/points allowed thing looking at it with just a cursory glance. NDSU and UNI would seem to be in tighter contests than the top 5 just off the top of my head and SUU and PSU had some major blowouts last season.

Might also be turnover margin. Seeing some correlation there.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/29

[centennial]

Then shouldn't your group of pissed off gym rats be at the top?

Teams that barely beat Drake need not apply.

[BEAR]

Teams that barely beat Drake need not apply.

Wut?
http://cdn.pigeonsandplanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/drake1.jpg

[clenz]

Maybe It's a points scored/points allowed thing looking at it with just a cursory glance. NDSU and UNI would seem to be in tighter contests than the top 5 just off the top of my head and SUU and PSU had some major blowouts last season.
Could be.

Quick stat review shows NDSU has a point delta of 294. Everyone else seems to fall between 139 and about 180 which equals to less than 4 points per game difference between the higher and lower end....roughly

[Professor Chaos]

Quit trying to understand England... they don't even call the right sport football... and they have bad food, bad teeth, ugly people... bad at understanding the world economy... bad at fighting wars unless the US is on their side... bad at ranking college football teams.

[BEAR]

Quit trying to understand England... they don't even call the right sport football... and they have bad food, bad teeth, ugly people... bad at understanding the world economy... bad at fighting wars unless the US is on their side... bad at ranking college football teams.

And our country is full of colonists from England...xlolx Doesn't say much for us huh?

[Professor Chaos]

And our country is full of colonists from England...xlolx Doesn't say much for us huh?
We're the wheat... they're the chaff. ;)

[WTFCollegefootballfan]

Quit trying to understand England... they don't even call the right sport football... and they have bad food, bad teeth, ugly people... bad at understanding the world economy... bad at fighting wars unless the US is on their side... bad at ranking college football teams.

It is James England.

[UNIFanSince1983]

This man James England has Dartmouth at 31 overall. Ahead of teams like West Virginia, Oregon, Nebraska.

I was hoping his site had an explanation of his rankings, but it does not. It is also fair to say that all computer ratings systems have flaws when no games have been played yet. They need a few to get a tight connection between the teams.

[Hammersmith]

This man James England has Dartmouth at 31 overall. Ahead of teams like West Virginia, Oregon, Nebraska.

I was hoping his site had an explanation of his rankings, but it does not. It is also fair to say that all computer ratings systems have flaws when no games have been played yet. They need a few to get a tight connection between the teams.

Yeah, but they ended last year with Dartmouth at #2 in FCS and #18 overall.

[BEAR]

It is James England.

More like Robert England....slicing and hacking up the polls....you're just dreaming with some of those top 25 picks...xlolx

http://www.toportraits.com/Images/Entertainment/Movies/Freddy%20Krueger/Freddy%20Krueger%201.jpg

[geaux_sioux]

Then shouldn't your group of pissed off gym rats be at the top?
Since muscle weighs more than fat and our players are like so totally ripped they end up if the obese range with your deep fried fat ass players.

[JSUSoutherner]

Since muscle weighs more than fat and our players are like so totally ripped they end up if the obese range with your deep fried fat ass players.
It's sad that our deep fried players could the playoffs and your little Hulksters couldn't, isn't it?

[Twentysix]

It's sad that our deep fried players could the playoffs and your little Hulksters couldn't, isn't it?


Since muscle weighs more than fat and our players are like so totally ripped they end up if the obese range with your deep fried fat ass players.

Omg just make out already.

[JSUSoutherner]

Omg just make out already.
Nah.

I have standards.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Since muscle weighs more than fat and our players are like so totally ripped they end up if the obese range with your deep fried fat ass players.


What is Grady's status?

[geaux_sioux]

It's sad that our deep fried players could the playoffs and your little Hulksters couldn't, isn't it?
Not really considering they play against other fat southerners in the OVC.

[geaux_sioux]

What is Grady's status?

Confusing. We should know kind of for sure tomorrow. I've heard done as can be but there's been a lot of different stories out there so who knows for sure.

[geaux_sioux]

Nah.

I have standards.

Bitch please, I'm an 8 on a bad day and I can cook. I'm the kind of girl your mother wishes you could be with but knows is way out of your league.

[NY Crusader 2010]

1) That England poll is insane.
2) Massey overall either highly overrates the Ivy League or AGS highly underrates them. Doesn't even look like Harvard made our top 25.
3) I hope that AGS is right and that the top two PL teams end up better than the top two Ivies and that we get some big wins against them this year.

[Thumper 76]

Omg just make out already.

xlolx no **** xlolx

[Bisonoline]

Bitch please, I'm an 8 on a bad day and I can cook. I'm the kind of girl your mother wishes you could be with but knows is way out of your league.

xlolxxthumbsupx

[Schism55]

Bitch please, I'm an 8 on a bad day and I can cook. I'm the kind of girl your mother wishes you could be with but knows is way out of your league.
Those etiquette classes clearly paid off xthumbsupx

[geaux_sioux]

Those etiquette classes clearly paid off xthumbsupx
Pfft etiquette classes are for new money

[Schism55]

1. England Massey may be in a poorly ventilated room with an open container of paint thinner, someone check on him please.
2. Ill St at 3, ummmm. Has he heard of graduation?
3. Can we stop ranking the Ivies til they start playing someone?

[IBleedYellow]

UND fan and non NDSU fans feuding? Color me surprised.

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[superman7515]

So my nigrumps ElCid and I had a few conversations last year about the Sagarins rankings that I use in the How They Fared spreadsheet and Massey will be used this year as well (the Massey ranking, not the composite which changes from week to week and adds more polls as the year goes on) as ElCid did some strong work over the year.

Massey did better than Sagarin in every way, but it was close.

Top 25 games, playoff games, and Clenz's game of the week stuff:
Sagarin - 249 picked correctly, 74 picked incorrectly - 77.1% accurate
Massey - 258 & 65 - 79.9% accurate

For every FCS game played last year, Massey went 633-154 when picking the week before the game - 80.43% accurate.

For every FCS game played last year, Massey went 590-168 when he picked every game that would be played in the 2015 campaign before the season even began - 77.84% accurate when he didn't even have the option of taking injury and field conditions into consideration.

Also, Massey starts off more accurate than Sagarin in the beginning of the season by a nice margin, but as the year goes on, they kind of balance out together.


Full disclosure: Once again, all props to ElCid for helping out with that info which will be used in the HTF sheets this year; send the man some Reppies.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

So my nigrumps ElCid and I had a few conversations last year about the Sagarins rankings that I use in the How They Fared spreadsheet and Massey will be used this year as well (the Massey ranking, not the composite which changes from week to week and adds more polls as the year goes on) as ElCid did some strong work over the year.

Massey did better than Sagarin in every way, but it was close.

Top 25 games, playoff games, and Clenz's game of the week stuff:
Sagarin - 249 picked correctly, 74 picked incorrectly - 77.1% accurate
Massey - 258 & 65 - 79.9% accurate

For every FCS game played last year, Massey went 633-154 when picking the week before the game - 80.43% accurate.

For every FCS game played last year, Massey went 590-168 when he picked every game that would be played in the 2015 campaign before the season even began - 77.84% accurate when he didn't even have the option of taking injury and field conditions into consideration.

Also, Massey starts off more accurate than Sagarin in the beginning of the season by a nice margin, but as the year goes on, they kind of balance out together.


Full disclosure: Once again, all props to ElCid for helping out with that info which will be used in the HTF sheets this year; send the man some Reppies.

Will do. Cool info. to see.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hey you got my pm of the full list correct?

[WTFCollegefootballfan]

Why does Massey use the England poll when it is so wacked? How can Massey justify using it?

[Schism55]

Why does Massey use the England poll when it is so wacked? How can Massey justify using it?
Cocaine is a helluva drug

[superman7515]

Why does Massey use the England poll when it is so wacked? How can Massey justify using it?

He doesn't "use" it. That's just an aggregate comparison of where every ranking system has the teams. He uses his own methodology, but publishes that other page each week so that you can see where every ranking system has different teams.

[WTFCollegefootballfan]

He doesn't "use" it. That's just an aggregate comparison of where every ranking system has the teams. He uses his own methodology, but publishes that other page each week so that you can see where every ranking system has different teams.

Th at is good to know. Do you know how this James England comes up wit his poll?

[UIWWildthing]

One of the ratings systems from the Massey Composite: England

Here's ENG's top 20:
1. Dartmouth
2. Portland State
3. Southern Utah
4. Illinois State
5. Princeton
6. Penn
7. NDSU
8. James Madison
9. Jacksonville State
10. William and Mary
11. Chatty
12. Harvard
13. Northern Iowa
14. SDSU
15. Tennessee-Martin
16. Richmond
17. NC AT&T
18. McNeese State
19. Brown
20. Charleston Southern
Yo Barett, any thoughts?
http://i.imgur.com/u3T9u4G.gif

[Go Green]

One of the ratings systems from the Massey Composite: England

Here's ENG's top 20:
1. Dartmouth


Looks good to me.

:)

[Go Green]

This man James England has Dartmouth at 31 overall. Ahead of teams like West Virginia, Oregon, Nebraska.



Again, I'm good with that.

:)

[Bisonator]

Th at is good to know. Do you know how this James England comes up wit his poll?
http://www.menemshagroup.com/Portals/133175/images/darts-blindfolded.jpg

[superman7515]

Th at is good to know. Do you know how this James England comes up wit his poll?

Not off hand, he's a young guy (27-28) who works for FiveThirtyEight doing Oscar award predictions. To come up with his football rankings, he took Ken Massey's senior project from when Massey was in college, made a couple of tweaks to Massey's linear regression, and now publishes it as his own. Remember that scene from Jurassic Park, "so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."

[Ivytalk]

Yo Barett, any thoughts?
http://i.imgur.com/u3T9u4G.gif

xlmaoxxlmaoxxlmaox


xcoffeex

[1984]

Bitch please, I'm an 8 on a bad day and I can cook. I'm the kind of girl your mother wishes you could be with but knows is way out of your league.
GIRL FIGHT GIRL FIGHT! Live stream it Ladies!

[RootinFerDukes]

I have a massey question. I notice that the NDSU/CSU game has not yet populated on Massey's site and I was hoping to see what little effect it had on the rankings for either team.

1) Does massey bother to update the scores during any "pre-week 1" games each year?
2) When massey does update each week, when does it happen? Sometime Monday?

[ElCid]

I have a massey question. I notice that the NDSU/CSU game has not yet populated on Massey's site and I was hoping to see what little effect it had on the rankings for either team.

1) Does massey bother to update the scores during any "pre-week 1" games each year?
2) When massey does update each week, when does it happen? Sometime Monday?

1) I don't believe they did last year
2) I have always seen it update by Sunday, but not sure of time. The reason I know is that before I turn in my poll, I always see it to compare to mine as a gee wiz.

[ElCid]

I have a massey question. I notice that the NDSU/CSU game has not yet populated on Massey's site and I was hoping to see what little effect it had on the rankings for either team.

1) Does massey bother to update the scores during any "pre-week 1" games each year?
2) When massey does update each week, when does it happen? Sometime Monday?


1) I don't believe they did last year
2) I have always seen it update by Sunday, but not sure of time. The reason I know is that before I turn in my poll, I always see it to compare to mine as a gee wiz.

They actually did update them. Not sure when they did it.

NDSU is obviously still #1. CSU moved up one, but some other teams (tied to them from last year) moved as well up or down.