Is Atlanta the new Cleveland?

[JSUSoutherner]

My friend and I were talking about cities (with an NFL, NBA, and MLB team) who can't seem to win championships.

After Cleveland ended their 52 year drought, is Atlanta the new Cleveland or is there some other city that we haven't thought of.

Atlanta's only championship came from the Braves in 1995.

[Bisonoline]

My friend and I were talking about cities (with an NFL, NBA, and MLB team) who can't seem to win championships.

After Cleveland ended their 52 year drought, is Atlanta the new Cleveland or is there some other city that we haven't thought of.

Atlanta's only championship came from the Braves in 1995.

Minneapolis?

[dewey]

Minneapolis?

Agreed. The last time the Minneapolis St Paul metro area celebrated a championship was the World Series in 1991. A couple of years ago some friends and I almost went to the WNBA championship parade since it will more than likely be the only one we ever see.

Dewey

[JSUSoutherner]

Minneapolis?
True. The Twins have the Braves beat by 4 years since their last championship was in 91. But they also have two championships win another win in 87.

And the Timberwolves and the Twins both suck.

I noticed DC hasn't won since the Redskins won the Super Bowl in 91 either.

[dewey]

True. The Twins have the Braves beat by 4 years since their last championship was in 91. But they also have two championships win another win in 87.

And the Timberwolves and the Twins both suck.

I noticed DC hasn't won since the Redskins won the Super Bowl in 91 either.

The Redskins won Super Bowl 26 over Buffalo on January 26 1992....in Minneapolis.

The best hope for Minnesota is probably the Vikings then the Timberwolves then really way behind them is the Twins.

Dewey

[JSUSoutherner]

The Redskins won Super Bowl 26 over Buffalo on January 26 1992....in Minneapolis.

The best hope for Minnesota is probably the Vikings then the Timberwolves then really way behind them is the Twins.

Dewey

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22661&stc=1

Wikipedia messed me up. It was in '92 for the '91 season. So yeah, Minneapolis has them beat.

There are a couple other sizable cities lacking championships that have two major sports teams, like San Diego and Cincinnati.

I do think the Vikings have a real chance at being a contender this year. But I feel like it's do or die before they lose AP.

[clenz]

AP is holding the team, specifically Teddy, back.

[Catatonic]

My friend and I were talking about cities (with an NFL, NBA, and MLB team) who can't seem to win championships.

After Cleveland ended their 52 year drought, is Atlanta the new Cleveland or is there some other city that we haven't thought of.

Atlanta's only championship came from the Braves in 1995.

Ted Turner was a visionary. Invest money in the Braves and broadcast their games on his cable network. Pay to acquire the best team possible. Any financial losses by the team would be more than offset by ad revenue as people around the country tuned in to watch "America's team."

[Laker]

San Diego only has two major sports franchises, but the last time that they won was when the Chargers beat the Boston Patriots in 1963 for the AFL title.

[Smitty]

Charlotte hasn't had any championships either. Although it only has 2 professional teams who are relatively new.

1988 - Hornets founded
1995 - Panthers founded

[TheRevSFA]

Houston is pretty close but they do have two MLS championships in recent years.

[Gil Dobie]

San Diego only has two major sports franchises, but the last time that they won was when the Chargers beat the Boston Patriots in 1963 for the AFL title.

San Diego had the Rockets NBA franchise for a few years with no titles. Also had a WHA hockey club, but only 2 sports now.

[JSUSoutherner]

AP is holding the team, specifically Teddy, back.
How do you figure?

[Gil Dobie]

25 years - Minneapolis–St. Paul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis_%E2%80%93_Saint_Paul) since 1991 World Series title (1969 NFL title (non-Super Bowl), 1954 NBA title, however franchise relocated; no Stanley Cup titles).
24 years - Washington, D.C. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.) since 1992 Super Bowl. (1978 NBA title, 1924 World Series title, however franchise relocated, no Stanley Cups).
21 years - Atlanta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta) since 1995 World Series title (no Super Bowl, NBA, or Stanley Cup titles).

[clenz]

How do you figure?
He's slowing Teddy's development for a few reasons:

1. The offense is entirely focused around him. Teddy had 292 pass attempts last season. AP had 327 rush attempts.
2. Because of #1 the offense isn't built to Teddy's strengths. Limiting Teddy's growth
3. Want proof?
4:
In 2015, Peterson averaged only 1.7 yards on his 39 rushing attempts from the shotgun formation, many of them coming in the first quarter of the season. He averaged 4.7 yards per carry when a Vikings quarterback was under center and scored 10 of his 11 rushing touchdowns from that standard formation.

The difference over the course of his career is not as stark, but in nine NFL seasons Peterson has averaged only 3.8 yards per carry from the shotgun and 4.9 yards with the quarterback under center. Of his 97 career rushing touchdowns, 10th in league history, only three were out of the shotgun.


McKinnon, meanwhile, averages 4.3 yards per carry from the shotgun. And Matt Asiata, the team’s top pass-blocking back, has averaged 4.1 in his career.


From the shotgun, Bridgewater has a 94.1 career passer rating with 22 touchdowns and only 10 interceptions. Three of his four rushing touchdowns have come after catching a shotgun snap, too. But while he performed better under center last season compared with his rookie year, he has a 68.7 career rating on those plays with more interceptions (11) than TD passes (seven).

The Vikings tried to cater to their young quarterback early last season. But with Peterson so out of sync on shotgun carries and with their offensive line overwhelmed in pass protection, they scaled back their shotgun usage after their Week 5 bye and stuck Bridgewater under center more often.


So, AP is such **** out of the gun that Teddy isn't allowed to run the offense that has him flourish. If you watched Louisville when he was there - or Minnesota when Teddy gets a series of shot gun snaps in a row/short amount of time - you see why people thought he was a #1 pick.

They spent all last camp building the shot gun offense that OC Norv Turner is known for to build on Teddy and by week 4 they completely scrapped it because AP sucks out of it. He can't run from it. He can't pass block. He can't run routes. He can't catch.

All that boils down to this

1. If AP is in the game and it's an I formation it's a run.
2. If the Vikings are in the shot gun it's a pass and AP is in the game it's a pass
3. If AP isn't in the game it's 75% a pass


There isn't a better back in the league at running the ball. He just happens to be the worst at anything non-running the ball related. He'll be 31 by week 1. This will be his last year in Minnesota and any Viking fan that is interested in the future is okay with that (and most of those/us would have been okay with him not coming back last year). There was a strong push from the fan base to draft a RB like David Johnson from UNI last year...and then we see what DJ did in Arizona and we see we are stuck with a 31 year old back that has just one aspect of the game and nothing else.

[clenz]

25 years - Minneapolis–St. Paul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis_%E2%80%93_Saint_Paul) since 1991 World Series title (1969 NFL title (non-Super Bowl), 1954 NBA title, however franchise relocated; no Stanley Cup titles).
24 years - Washington, D.C. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.) since 1992 Super Bowl. (1978 NBA title, 1924 World Series title, however franchise relocated, no Stanley Cups).
21 years - Atlanta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta) since 1995 World Series title (no Super Bowl, NBA, or Stanley Cup titles).


San Diego has the most seasons without a title -- 109 since winning the 1963 AFL title.

[JSUSoutherner]

He's slowing Teddy's development for a few reasons:

1. The offense is entirely focused around him. Teddy had 292 pass attempts last season. AP had 327 rush attempts.
2. Because of #1 the offense isn't built to Teddy's strengths. Limiting Teddy's growth
3. Want proof?
4:




So, AP is such **** out of the gun that Teddy isn't allowed to run the offense that has him flourish. If you watched Louisville when he was there - or Minnesota when Teddy gets a series of shot gun snaps in a row/short amount of time - you see why people thought he was a #1 pick.

They spent all last camp building the shot gun offense that OC Norv Turner is known for to build on Teddy and by week 4 they completely scrapped it because AP sucks out of it. He can't run from it. He can't pass block. He can't run routes. He can't catch.

All that boils down to this

1. If AP is in the game and it's an I formation it's a run.
2. If the Vikings are in the shot gun it's a pass and AP is in the game it's a pass
3. If AP isn't in the game it's 75% a pass


There isn't a better back in the league at running the ball. He just happens to be the worst at anything non-running the ball related. He'll be 31 by week 1. This will be his last year in Minnesota and any Viking fan that is interested in the future is okay with that (and most of those/us would have been okay with him not coming back last year). There was a strong push from the fan base to draft a RB like David Johnson from UNI last year...and then we see what DJ did in Arizona and we see we are stuck with a 31 year old back that has just one aspect of the game and nothing else.
Makes sense.

But as I see it, it's not all AP's fault. You could just as easily say it's a lack of Teddy's versatility and efficiency when playing under center as well as AP's flaws but that's just nit picky.

It will be interesting to see their game plan going forward with the season. Playing to AP's strengths isn't exactly the worst thing for a team to have to do. He did deliver a playoff run last year.

Also, it will be interesting to see if the aquistion of Andre Smith and the return of Sullivan on the line help out Teddy any. Pass protection wasn't exactly the Viking's strong suit last year.

And I'm interested to see their shiny, new stadium. August needs to hurry up.

[clenz]

Makes sense.

But as I see it, it's not all AP's fault. You could just as easily say it's a lack of Teddy's versatility and efficiency when playing under center as well as AP's flaws but that's just nit picky.

It will be interesting to see their game plan going forward with the season. Playing to AP's strengths isn't exactly the worst thing for a team to have to do. He did deliver a playoff run last year.

Also, it will be interesting to see if the aquistion of Andre Smith and the return of Sullivan on the line help out Teddy any. Pass protection wasn't exactly the Viking's strong suit last year.

And I'm interested to see their shiny, new stadium. August needs to hurry up.
Teddy will never develop with that attitude of "Playing to APs strengths isn't the worst thing". That's far, far, too shortsided. Teddy is in year three and all he knows is turn around and hand off to AP.

Look at Teddy's numbers with AP out of the game, even from the I formation. The OL was terrible last year, that's a fact. Andre Smith, Alex Boone, Sully coming back, etc.. will help. Watch Kalil become an all pro again with Alex Boone next to him.

Part of that was related to how predictable Minnesota was because of AP - he's in the game it's going to him. It's a shut gun we can just full pass blitz because the WRs aren't going to beat anyone and we know AP isn't going to block anyone.

The numbers don't lie. I know there are times where numbers are deceiving, but it's not in this case. The Vikings have a top 3 defense. They don't have an offense to go with the defense and outside of OL, it all stems from the complete handcuffing that comes with AP. He's 31. He isn't going to learn a route, blitz pick up, how to catch, etc... The offense won't progress because of it.

[FormerPokeCenter]

He's slowing Teddy's development for a few reasons:

1. The offense is entirely focused around him. Teddy had 292 pass attempts last season. AP had 327 rush attempts.
2. Because of #1 the offense isn't built to Teddy's strengths. Limiting Teddy's growth
3. Want proof?
4:




So, AP is such **** out of the gun that Teddy isn't allowed to run the offense that has him flourish. If you watched Louisville when he was there - or Minnesota when Teddy gets a series of shot gun snaps in a row/short amount of time - you see why people thought he was a #1 pick.

They spent all last camp building the shot gun offense that OC Norv Turner is known for to build on Teddy and by week 4 they completely scrapped it because AP sucks out of it. He can't run from it. He can't pass block. He can't run routes. He can't catch.

All that boils down to this

1. If AP is in the game and it's an I formation it's a run.
2. If the Vikings are in the shot gun it's a pass and AP is in the game it's a pass
3. If AP isn't in the game it's 75% a pass


There isn't a better back in the league at running the ball. He just happens to be the worst at anything non-running the ball related. He'll be 31 by week 1. This will be his last year in Minnesota and any Viking fan that is interested in the future is okay with that (and most of those/us would have been okay with him not coming back last year). There was a strong push from the fan base to draft a RB like David Johnson from UNI last year...and then we see what DJ did in Arizona and we see we are stuck with a 31 year old back that has just one aspect of the game and nothing else.


A lot of it could also be related to line play....In the gun defenders line up to stop the pass, first and you get a lot of rangy, quicker DLs...The offensive line doesn't get to set up as they normally would if the QB is under center. They're having to sell the idea that a pass could be in the mix...When the QB's under center, everybody knows that they're more than likely going to run, so the line can set up differently, and the defenders have to play a different technique which changes the dynamic...

Also the gun might have an adverse effect on a rb setting up cubtacks, on a run, he gets the ball earlier and the defenders have an opportunity to take appropriate angles to the ball....when the QB is under center, he has to commit to movement in a specific direction before hands off the ball, that gives the line an advantage and it gives the RB an advantage in that he can use that defensive movement and flow to set up cutbacks...

Also, it may be that AP's getting the ball in down and distance situations where everybody knows he's the only realistic threat on the field....and the other guys may be getting yardage because the defenders are keying on AP...

I haven't paid attention to them, so I don't know if any of this is on point, I'm just offering reasons why those stats might not indicate that all of the blame rests with AP...

[Gil Dobie]

San Diego has the most seasons without a title -- 109 since winning the 1963 AFL title.

Winnipeg last won the Stanley Cup in 1902.

[melloware13]

Buffalo is a close second with 104 seasons since the 1965 AFL title

[clenz]

A lot of it could also be related to line play....In the gun defenders line up to stop the pass, first and you get a lot of rangy, quicker DLs...The offensive line doesn't get to set up as they normally would if the QB is under center. They're having to sell the idea that a pass could be in the mix...When the QB's under center, everybody knows that they're more than likely going to run, so the line can set up differently, and the defenders have to play a different technique which changes the dynamic...

Also the gun might have an adverse effect on a rb setting up cubtacks, on a run, he gets the ball earlier and the defenders have an opportunity to take appropriate angles to the ball....when the QB is under center, he has to commit to movement in a specific direction before hands off the ball, that gives the line an advantage and it gives the RB an advantage in that he can use that defensive movement and flow to set up cutbacks...

Also, it may be that AP's getting the ball in down and distance situations where everybody knows he's the only realistic threat on the field....and the other guys may be getting yardage because the defenders are keying on AP...

I haven't paid attention to them, so I don't know if any of this is on point, I'm just offering reasons why those stats might not indicate that all of the blame rests with AP...
Solid post, FPC. The Vikings OL certainly has issues, but they aren't run blocking. The Vikings graded out as the best (or top couple) run blocking OL last year. Joe Berger played center all year, and is the back up as starter/all pro John Sullivan was out with a back injury) graded out as the best run blocking OL in the league. The issue isn't run blocking with the Vikings, even from the gun. Pass blocking is horrendous, but that doesn't matter to AP's success.

AP isn't a cut back type back. He'll make some cuts that make highlight films but he's a straight down hill, very impatient, runner. He hates full backs because they get in his way. He's said multiple times recently that he "needs to learn to be patient" but struggles with it.

AP never sees the field on 3rd down because he can't do anything in the pass game. He's a 1st and 2nd down back. Many times Minnesota gets into 3rd and 5 plus because AP is also a back that is a 1 yd, 3 yd, 3 yd, 2 yd, 1 yd, then repeat 3 times, then break an 80 yard run style back. It doesn't matter the D/D with him on the field it's always a "key on AP" situation because he can't do anything else and his presence forces the offense into a very small set of plays. At one point last year, and I may try to find the exact number, but 80-85% of the plays from I formation were a run (and about 90% with AP in the game) and conversely it was a pass about 75-80% of the time from gun formation. That's on play-calling and predictability, which is nearly entirely forced by AP and his lack of versatility....which is stunting Teddy's growth and versatility.

Through OTA and mini camp the reports are "Teddy looks great and has a much improved deep ball..........as long as AP isn't on the field"

There were issues, and still are, with the Vikings offense but they won't be properly addressed until AP moves on.

[clenz]

I'll link the article but some key things from it...FPC will love it. All kinds of stat charts, different ways of looking at it, etc...

Vikings ran 409 first down plays last season...65.77% of them were run plays (269)
Of those 269 runs 76.21% went for less than 5 yards and half of them for less than 2.5 yards


Then the heart of the discussion

AP
http://i0.wp.com/vikingsterritory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Peterson-Rushing-Shotgun-vs-Under-Center-2.jpg?resize=700%2C749


Jerick McKinnon - who could be a good #1 back
http://i0.wp.com/vikingsterritory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/McKinnon-Rushing-Shotgun-vs-Under-Center-Copy.jpg?resize=700%2C265

AP also clearly dictates when direction gets run as well
http://i1.wp.com/vikingsterritory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Rushing-Direction.jpg?resize=700%2C284

Teddy's passing numbers
http://i1.wp.com/vikingsterritory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Bridgewater-Passing-Shotgun-vs-Under-Center.jpg?resize=700%2C184


http://vikingsterritory.com/2016/analysis/random-vikings-stats-overload


So yes, Teddy has work to do from under center, no matter what. He played HS and College in spread passing offenses and needs to improve that. However, it's tough to see how much AP is forced into first and second down runs for little yardage and force Teddy (and a poor pass blocking OL) into 3rd and clearly passing situations where play action to AP does nothing.

[clenz]

Another good read on the same topic

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2015/12/7/9860446/adrian-peterson-teddy-bridgewater-somethings-gotta-give


....

In this case, we're talking about quarterback Teddy Bridgewater (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/245505/teddy-bridgewater), who has gone from a player that looked like he was developing nicely at the end of his rookie season in 2014 to a player that's indecisive and not trusting his instincts. Some of this has to do with the return of running backAdrian Peterson (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/19109/adrian-peterson), who missed nearly the entire 2014 season after the fiasco involving him disciplining his child.
Going into this season, the logic was that Peterson's return was going to make things significantly easier for Bridgewater, as defenses were going to have to focus their attention on Peterson. So far, especially when compared to the finishing stretch of last season, that really has not been the case. . .and it appears that some of that might have to do with Norv Turner's offense developing a pretty significant "tell" of its own.

......



We've heard on numerous occasions that Peterson doesn't like running out of the shotgun and how he'd rather be lined up seven yards back, allowing him to get a head of steam before reaching the line of scrimmage. The numbers bear that out, as he's been pretty awful running out of the shotgun so far this season.
The problem with that, at least as it pertains to Bridgewater, is that it runs exactly counter to what he does best. Here are the 2015 split numbers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BridTe00/splits/2015/) for Bridgewater so far this season.

*insert table identical to above stats*

In 2014, Teddy Bridgewater looked sharp. He looked decisive. He was getting rid of the ball and making plays to his wide receivers. . .and he was doing it with Matt Asiata (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/131016/matt-asiata) andJerick McKinnon (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/245518/jerick-mckinnon) next to him in the backfield. McKinnon doesn't have any issue running out of the shotgun (4.3 yards/carry for his career). Neither does Asiata (4.1 yards/carry), despite his reputation for being a bruiser. Now, 4 yards/carry doesn't look spectacular or anything. . .unless you put it next to 1.7, in which case it looks amazing.
From what I've seen on social media and other sources, fans of the Minnesota Vikings appear to be growing increasingly impatient with Teddy Bridgewater and his lack of development from his rookie year. But Bridgewater isn't going to develop the way that the fans want him to as long as he's playing to someone else's strengths rather than his own. If Bridgewater is going to be the sort of franchise quarterback that Vikings' fans have wanted since Daunte Culpepper was a youngster, one of two things are going to have to happen. Either
1) Adrian Peterson is going to have to figure out how to become a more complete running back, including how to run out of the shotgun and how to pass protect (where he's still a gigantic liability) so that this offense can have some actual variety, or
2) This team is going to have to move on from Adrian Peterson and start playing with running backs that are versatile enough and/or willing enough to do what needs to be done in this offense, allowing Bridgewater to play to his strengths rather than Peterson's.
Yes, I can already see the torches and pitchforks coming out for suggesting that the Vikings move on without Adrian Peterson. That's fine. I understand that Peterson has been one of the NFL's all-time great running backs in terms of on-field production and that it would kill a lot of folks to see him in another uniform. But what other offense in today's NFL is going to tailor itself to Peterson's strengths? According to Football Outsiders (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/fo-basics), no team had used the shotgun formation on over half of their offensive plays before 2007, when Peterson entered the league. Now, the NFL has reached the point where 60% of offensive snaps are taken in the shotgun formation, with some teams even topping out at 85%. Is a team going to scrap their entire playbook/offensive philosophy to accommodate him? I sort of have my doubts.

[clenz]

One more article...from just a week ago
Much more in the link that I'm posting if you're interested

https://purpleptsd.com/2016/06/13/predictability-and-the-minnesota-vikings-offense/


Personnel


By personnel, we’ll first look at the run-pass ratios for the Vikings when they have particular numbers of running backs, tight ends and receivers on the field. Many football teams will designate personnel by a two-digit signifier. The first digit signifies the number of running backs (including fullbacks) the offense brings onto the field, and the second number designates the number of tight ends. So, “12” personnel means one running back and two tight ends (and therefore, because the number of skill players adds up to five, two receivers).

The Vikings featured four different personnel sets prominently, and another one a significant—but small—fraction of the time. They were in “11” personnel most often (44.6% of the time), which means they played with three receivers, one running back and one tight end more than any other set of personnel. Interestingly, they did this at a rate lower than most of the league; teams were in this personnel set an average of 52% of the time.


After that, they were in “12” personnel 22.7% of the time, “21” personnel 9.8% of the time and “22” personnel 9.6% of the time. The only other set they were in a good amount of time was “13,” which they fielded 6.0% of the time.


Only one team was more run-happy in 13 personnel than the Vikings (the Cardinals), who ran the ball 80.6% of the time they were in “13” personnel. The Vikings were also top five in run rate in “21” and “22” personnel, running it 70.0% and 88.8% of the time.


If an opponent saw the Vikings field three tight ends or two running backs and didn’t take into account any other information, they would be right guessing run 80% of the time. Only St. Louis was more predictable in that scenario.


That’s astoundingly depressing.

Beyond the numbers, the specific personnel don’t reveal a ton of clues. Obviously, when Zach Line is on the field, they are likely to run—but that’s already accounted for above because Line was only on the field with another running back. Austin Shepherd was a clear tell for running the ball as well, but that’s not surprising or concerning. Cordarrelle Patterson was also a strong run indicator; when he was on the field, the Vikings ran the ball 68% of the time.

Down-and-Distance


Another key indicator for defensive players—usually used in conjunction with personnel—is down-and-distance. If a defense knows what a team is going to do on 2-and-7, they have a great chance of forcing third-and-long or jumping a pass and creating a turnover. Vikings fans are familiar with the fact that Minnesota ran the ball more often than any other team on first down. That remains true when excluding red zone plays and plays outside of first-and-ten.



It’s not surprising that the Vikings still rank first in this category, nor is it particularly shocking that they lead by as much as they do. But it does demonstrate the point well. Interestingly, the league average on first and ten was exactly 50%.


Oh, and when the Vikings were in “21” or “22” personnel on first and ten, they ran it more often than any other team in the league, 84% of the time.


Luckily, Norv Turner’s offense didn’t show such extreme signs on second down at various distances, though Minnesota does show a greater propensity to run on second-and-short and third-and-short than most other teams, occupying top-five positions in run rate in both scenarios (though not nearly as reliant as Carolina was).


While mixing it up a bit more on second-and-short and third-and-short may be preferable (although perhaps not), the real concern here is on first down. From the perspective of run-pass splits, the Vikings really have to pass much more often if only to increase their success rate.


The Vikings’ ability to produce four or more yards on 1st and 10 is higher when passing than when rushing, which is true of nearly every team. Naturally, the threat of the run opens up the passing game and makes those successes easier to come by, but the opposite is true as well. The Vikings only ranked 18th in run success rate in those situations and this year, they have the opportunity to marginally increase the number of successes that come from both passing the ball and running it simply by passing it more often.


After all, the Vikings ranked dead last in success rate on first down last year.



I know, from an outsiders POV, it's ludicrous to say "AP hurts the offense" but it's 100% true and I can back that up by the "feel" of watching the team every week.

Obviously AP was the center piece for marketing the new stadium, and there's no way he was going to not play in the new stadium. "Getting rid of the best back in the NFL" is a damn tough thing to sell to the fans, but realistically it needs to happen after this year. AP is almost single handily holding the offense back by, literally, a decade.

[caribbeanhen]

Buffalo is a close second with 104 seasons since the 1965 AFL title

was thinking Buffalo, those 4 Super Bowl losses sting, Braves left town a long time ago as well, the FBS team is a doormat, not sure about the hockey team off the cuff, NFL team scarred by the OJ Simpson years.

[walliver]

Charlotte hasn't had any championships either. Although it only has 2 professional teams who are relatively new.

1988 - Hornets founded
1995 - Panthers founded

Of course those Hornets are now the Pelicans and the new Hornets (nee' Bobcats) are even younger.

[AshevilleApp2]

San Diego has the most seasons without a title -- 109 since winning the 1963 AFL title.

When did this get cumulative?

[dgtw]

A popular musical this year is Hamilton. When Alexander Hamlton stepped on the field for his infamous duel he was closer in time to the Cubs' last World Series win than we are today.

[POD Knows]

When did this get cumulative?

Because stat man decided the metrics, just go with it.

[Laker]

He's slowing Teddy's development for a few reasons:

1. The offense is entirely focused around him. Teddy had 292 pass attempts last season. AP had 327 rush attempts.
2. Because of #1 the offense isn't built to Teddy's strengths. Limiting Teddy's growth
3. Want proof?
4:




So, AP is such **** out of the gun that Teddy isn't allowed to run the offense that has him flourish. If you watched Louisville when he was there - or Minnesota when Teddy gets a series of shot gun snaps in a row/short amount of time - you see why people thought he was a #1 pick.

They spent all last camp building the shot gun offense that OC Norv Turner is known for to build on Teddy and by week 4 they completely scrapped it because AP sucks out of it. He can't run from it. He can't pass block. He can't run routes. He can't catch.

All that boils down to this

1. If AP is in the game and it's an I formation it's a run.
2. If the Vikings are in the shot gun it's a pass and AP is in the game it's a pass
3. If AP isn't in the game it's 75% a pass


There isn't a better back in the league at running the ball. He just happens to be the worst at anything non-running the ball related. He'll be 31 by week 1. This will be his last year in Minnesota and any Viking fan that is interested in the future is okay with that (and most of those/us would have been okay with him not coming back last year). There was a strong push from the fan base to draft a RB like David Johnson from UNI last year...and then we see what DJ did in Arizona and we see we are stuck with a 31 year old back that has just one aspect of the game and nothing else.

Bring back #44, Chuck Foreman. Or of course someone just like him.

[Laker]

San Diego had the Rockets NBA franchise for a few years with no titles. Also had a WHA hockey club, but only 2 sports now.

Remember the Conquistadors (Q's)/Sails, the ABA's only expansion team who lasted 3+ seasons before folding in Nov. 1975.

[Laker]

A popular musical this year is Hamilton. When Alexander Hamlton stepped on the field for his infamous duel he was closer in time to the Cubs' last World Series win than we are today.

Historically, that is amazing.

[superman7515]

Milwaukee hasn't won a title in 45 years, not since Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul-Jabar) and the Milwaukee Bucks won the NBA title in 1971 by sweeping the Baltimore Bullets.

The same day Milwaukee won their last title, Thin Lizzy and The Doobie Brothers made their debuts, while the #1 song in the nation was Joy To The World (ya know, the song that starts Jeremiah was a bullfrog...) by Three Dog Night.

The #1 movie was Woody Allen's "Bananas".

Ohio ratified the 26th Amendment, giving it enough signatories to take effect and give 18-year-old's the right to vote.

And the crew of the Soyuz 11 became the only humans ever killed in space after becoming the first, and only, to ever visit the world's first space station, Salyut 1.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Milwaukee hasn't won a title in 45 years, not since Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul-Jabar) and the Milwaukee Bucks won the NBA title in 1971 by sweeping the Baltimore Bullets.

The same day Milwaukee won their last title, Thin Lizzy and The Doobie Brothers made their debuts, while the #1 song in the nation was Joy To The World (ya know, the song that starts Jeremiah was a bullfrog...) by Three Dog Night.

The #1 movie was Woody Allen's "Bananas".

Ohio ratified the 26th Amendment, giving it enough signatories to take effect and give 18-year-old's the right to vote.

And the crew of the Soyuz 11 became the only humans ever killed in space after becoming the first, and only, to ever visit the world's first space station, Salyut 1.

If only the Packers would have stayed at County Stadium for two more years....

[Bisonoline]

If only the Packers would have stayed at County Stadium for two more years....

Dont think that would have counted. Green Bay isnt home based there.