View Full Version : Big 12 Exploring Expansion Carefully
superman7515
June 6th, 2016, 06:50 AM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15913400/big-12-presidents-say-there-no-rush-make-decision-expanding-conference
IRVING, Texas -- Big 12 presidents aren't rushing into a decision about expansion, saying they view expansion as an option but not an urgent action to sustain the league's long-term future.
Oklahoma president David Boren, who last June called the Big 12 "psychologically disadvantaged" at 10 members, spoke Thursday of a league that has "never been stronger" and can afford to take its time with several major items, including expansion.
"We're going to be very careful," Boren said. "That's an obligation that the conference has, and it's an obligation I have as an individual president. Where does the data take us and what strategy makes the best sense? We're not in a weak position; we're in a strong position.
"We'll evaluate all of that and also look at who the possible partners are."...
OhioHen
June 6th, 2016, 07:48 AM
Oklahoma president David Boren, who last June called the Big 12 "psychologically disadvantaged" at 10 members
The correct statement would have been to call them "mathematically challenged" (like the other conferences with incorrect numbers).
Laker
June 6th, 2016, 07:56 AM
They may not expand at all- or add two- or add four- or add six for two eight team divisions.
And the Longhorn Network still ticks off the other nine teams.
TheValleyRaider
June 6th, 2016, 10:58 AM
My suspicion is that the Big XII will expand, but there is a lot of disagreement over who to take.
The problem is there aren't really any great or obvious options. Sounds kind of like expansion for the Patriot League. Hey, speaking of the Patriot League...
Lehigh Football Nation
June 6th, 2016, 11:35 AM
This expansion talk has infuriated me for one reason: Wasn't the waiver of the 12 school championship game rule specifically passed so that the Big XII could have a championship game and thus avoid expansion with ****ty candidates like Memphis and Cincinnati?
eiu1999
June 6th, 2016, 11:45 AM
All about greed.
clenz
June 6th, 2016, 11:53 AM
This expansion talk has infuriated me for one reason: Wasn't the waiver of the 12 school championship game rule specifically passed so that the Big XII could have a championship game and thus avoid expansion with ****ty candidates like Memphis and Cincinnati?
Expansion will be for a reason well beyond a title game.
Cinci and Memphis bring quite a bit to the table, even it isn't a top 20 football program. Although over the last 5 seasons Cincinnati has a 45-20 record. They have been to a bowl game every year since 2006 with the exception of the first season of Butch Jones (first season post Brian Kelly). Memphis is a sketchier football add. Justin Fuente built that program to a pretty solid team. We'll see what life is like without him and Paxton. They do bring a decent basketball tradition....and FedEx
Laker
August 1st, 2016, 07:31 PM
The Houston to Pac-12 rumors have evaporated. The Big 12 will probably expand, at least by two. All of the focus has been on them, the hunter. This article deals with the hunted- the AAC, which has had ten of it's members mentioned as candidates along with BYU.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybarca/2016/08/01/no-fear-of-change-american-athletic-conferences-mike-aresco-eyes-a-different-realignment/#34ed808f5e2f
JSUSoutherner
August 1st, 2016, 07:40 PM
The Houston to Pac-12 rumors have evaporated. The Big 12 will probably expand, at least by two. All of the focus has been on them, the hunter. This article deals with the hunted- the AAC, which has had ten of it's members mentioned as candidates along with BYU.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybarca/2016/08/01/no-fear-of-change-american-athletic-conferences-mike-aresco-eyes-a-different-realignment/#34ed808f5e2f
Houston to the Pac-12 was a rumor? Do they not own a map?
Laker
August 1st, 2016, 07:45 PM
Houston to the Pac-12 was a rumor? Do they not own a map?
Rumors abound. Usually there is more smoke where there is fire. Maybe someone was vaping.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2016/07/18/report-houston-ad-meets-pac-12-commissioner/87267164/
AshevilleApp2
August 2nd, 2016, 04:14 AM
East Carolina is lobbying hard to join. They've even got the Governor into the act.
Laker
August 2nd, 2016, 08:21 AM
The case for buying BYU- from their perspective. No conference buyout!
http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4182085-155/byu-athletics-big-12-tv-partners
walliver
August 5th, 2016, 09:31 AM
East Carolina is lobbying hard to join. They've even got the Governor into the act.
Is the governor sufficiently involved to change the bathroom law if needed?
AshevilleApp2
August 5th, 2016, 10:26 AM
Is the governor sufficiently involved to change the bathroom law if needed?
You'd have to ask old Pat about that! I'm a little concerned the the Southern Conference may pull the basketball tournament from Asheville. That has been a lot of fun and given the local economy a nice boost.
Laker
August 13th, 2016, 09:00 AM
Middle Tennessee wants to join AAC if it is raided by the Big 12:
http://www.dnj.com/story/sports/college/mtsu/2016/08/11/exclusive-emails-show-mtsu-wants-join-american-athletic-conference/88575344/
Laker
August 13th, 2016, 09:09 AM
Big 12 interviewing 18 schools. That is something like 29% of the Group of 5.
Air Force, Arkansas State, Boise State, BYU, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado State, UConn, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, Northern Illinois, New Mexico, San Diego State, South Florida, SMU, Temple, and Tulane made the list.
Somehow, the University of Phoenix and Trump University were not included.
ASU33
August 13th, 2016, 09:15 AM
BYU is the most solid school the Big 12 could take. Everything else is just mehxcoffeex
walliver
August 14th, 2016, 09:11 PM
You'd have to ask old Pat about that! I'm a little concerned the the Southern Conference may pull the basketball tournament from Asheville. That has been a lot of fun and given the local economy a nice boost.
The SoCon never pulled any events out of South Carolina due to the flag issue - basketball left due to poor attendance.
The league will probably follow the NCAA's apparent example and ask that the venue promise to let trans-people pee safely.
Go Lehigh TU Owl
August 14th, 2016, 09:32 PM
BYU is the most solid school the Big 12 could take. Everything else is just mehxcoffeex
I'd take Cincinnati over BYU. The Bearcats football has been better over the last decade, slightly better basketball, better academics and a better city imo. And most importantly, no religious nonsense.
Temple has really crapped the bed on this. We have a ton to offer but a portion of our administration still wants us to be a public version of Boston University.
TheValleyRaider
August 14th, 2016, 09:58 PM
The rumor floating around, at least last week, was that OU wanted Cincinnati and Texas wanted Houston, and that the most likely scenario was the conference takes just the two. Of course, this also means negotiating with ESPN and Fox to discuss the new money they'll have to spend when the conference expands. I don't know what to make of that list of schools, but for now I'd be surprised if something other than:
A) adding Cincinnati and Houston; or
B) Big 12 stays put
happens. xtwocentsx
Catatonic
August 15th, 2016, 07:21 AM
I'd take Cincinnati over BYU. The Bearcats football has been better over the last decade, slightly better basketball, better academics and a better city imo. And most importantly, no religious nonsense.
Temple has really crapped the bed on this. We have a ton to offer but a portion of our administration still wants us to be a public version of Boston University.
On what basis? USNWR ranks BYU 66, Cincinnati 140. C
WVU needs a travel partner from the east. This is the one true plus I see to adding the Bearcats over BYU. Personally, I'd add both
Cincinnati and BYU before I'd choose Houston but Texas appears solidly behind the Cougars so they will probably get in.
Go Lehigh TU Owl
August 15th, 2016, 09:18 AM
On what basis? USNWR ranks BYU 66, Cincinnati 140. C
WVU needs a travel partner from the east. This is the one true plus I see to adding the Bearcats over BYU. Personally, I'd add both
Cincinnati and BYU before I'd choose Houston but Texas appears solidly behind the Cougars so they will probably get in.
98% of BYU students are LDS. The schools appeal is so small relative to prospective applicants that I don't see how that ranking is justified.
Twentysix
August 15th, 2016, 05:18 PM
98% of BYU students are LDS. The schools appeal is so small relative to prospective applicants that I don't see how that ranking is justified.
USNWR is a bad ranking service. Cincinnati is a better school academically, but BYU is not bad by any means.
Cincinnati is the #75 university in the USA and 165 in the world.
BYU is the #143 university in the USA and 435 in the world.
For perspective, the University of Texas at Dallas is a better school than BYU, and Cincinnati is a better school than LSU.
The religion of the students at any university has nothing to do with the schools ranking. Nothing. Neither does selectivity.
Harvard could have a 100% admissions rate and would probably still be the best university in the world.
Catatonic
August 15th, 2016, 05:24 PM
USNWR is a bad ranking service. Cincinnati is a better school academically, but BYU is not bad by any means.
Cincinnati is the #75 university in the USA and 165 in the world.
BYU is the #143 university in the USA and 435 in the world.
For perspective, the University of Texas at Dallas is a better school than BYU, and Cincinnati is a better school than Maryland.
World rankings are based largely on volume of research published and the dollar amount of research grants received. This may or may not have much to do with quality of instruction or public service, the two other major functions of the modern American university. That's why I asked about the basis for the conclusion that Cincinnati is a better institution than BYU. Whose criteria do you use to make that determination?
Laker
August 15th, 2016, 05:41 PM
The AAU is a great group of schools, but I do not agree with how they kicked out Nebraska, a member from 1909-2011, because they disregarded agricultural research in their qualifications. That was the original purpose of land grant schools.
Catatonic
August 15th, 2016, 06:12 PM
The AAU is a great group of schools, but I do not agree with how they kicked out Nebraska, a member from 1909-2011, because they disregarded agricultural research in their qualifications. That was the original purpose of land grant schools.
Yup. i agree.
Laker
August 15th, 2016, 06:39 PM
With all the talk about Big 12 expansion, only four FBS independents remain. UMass goes it alone.
http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20160813/going-it-alone-umass-trying-to-survive-as-fbs-independent
Go Lehigh TU Owl
August 15th, 2016, 07:21 PM
USNWR is a bad ranking service. Cincinnati is a better school academically, but BYU is not bad by any means.
Cincinnati is the #75 university in the USA and 165 in the world.
BYU is the #143 university in the USA and 435 in the world.
For perspective, the University of Texas at Dallas is a better school than BYU, and Cincinnati is a better school than LSU.
The religion of the students at any university has nothing to do with the schools ranking. Nothing. Neither does selectivity.
Harvard could have a 100% admissions rate and would probably still be the best university in the world.
How about Liberty? The school's academic prowess will always be questioned due to the religious make-up of its curriculum/student body. BYU faces the same type of scrutiny by those really invested in academia.
Catatonic
August 15th, 2016, 08:31 PM
How about Liberty? The school's academic prowess will always be questioned due to the religious make-up of its curriculum/student body. BYU faces the same type of scrutiny by those really invested in academia.
sounds like this says more about those who believe a school bound by the tenents of a particular faith could not possibly be academically sound than about the institution deemed inferior.
Cocky
August 19th, 2016, 09:19 AM
How about Liberty? The school's academic prowess will always be questioned due to the religious make-up of its curriculum/student body. BYU faces the same type of scrutiny by those really invested in academia.
Are you saying their students arent smart? Are you that big of a bigot?
Cocky
August 19th, 2016, 09:20 AM
Big 12 interviewing 18 schools. That is something like 29% of the Group of 5.
Air Force, Arkansas State, Boise State, BYU, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado State, UConn, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, Northern Illinois, New Mexico, San Diego State, South Florida, SMU, Temple, and Tulane made the list.
Somehow, the University of Phoenix and Trump University were not included.
Could any of those make the FCS playoffs?
Catatonic
August 19th, 2016, 10:08 AM
Could any of those make the FCS playoffs?
Not one of those teams could make the FCS playoffs. They would all be ineligible. Too many guys on scholarship. If they were eligible, most of the schools on that list would dominate the top 15 in the FCS poll. Houston, AFA, Arkansas State, Cincinnati, BYU and Colorado State would all cause NDSU grief.
Laker
August 19th, 2016, 10:33 AM
Could any of those make the FCS playoffs?
Maybe all of them except SMU. They can't seem to do anything right.
clenz
August 19th, 2016, 10:38 AM
Could any of those make the FCS playoffs?
Air Force - Probably
Arkansas State - Probably not
Boise State - fo sho
BYU - fo sho
Central Florida - probably
Cincinnati - probably
Colorado State - probably not
UConn - probably not
East Carolina - probably
Houston - fo sho
Memphis - probably
Northern Illinois - probably
New Mexico - nope
San Diego State - probably
South Florida - probably not
SMU - hell nope
Temple - maybe?
Tulane - nope
Cocky
August 19th, 2016, 01:03 PM
Central Florida lost every game last year.
Other are hard to argue.
POD Knows
August 19th, 2016, 01:21 PM
Air Force - Probably
Arkansas State - Probably not
Boise State - fo sho
BYU - fo sho
Central Florida - probably
Cincinnati - probably
Colorado State - probably not
UConn - probably not
East Carolina - probably
Houston - fo sho
Memphis - probably
Northern Illinois - probably
New Mexico - nope
San Diego State - probably
South Florida - probably not
SMU - hell nope
Temple - maybe?
Tulane - nope
I think Colorado State makes the playoffs, they seemed to have a turned a corner there, don't know if it is sustainable though
clenz
August 19th, 2016, 01:25 PM
I think Colorado State makes the playoffs, they seemed to have a turned a corner there, don't know if it is sustainable though
Mcelwain is gone.
Catatonic
August 19th, 2016, 01:41 PM
Mcelwain is gone.
Mcelwains replacement is Mike Bobo. Bobo is a good coach and an even better recruiter. CSU is currently leading the MWC recruiting rankings in Bobo's first full recruiting cycle. CSU may have a hiccup during the transition, but CSU will be just fine
Go Lehigh TU Owl
August 19th, 2016, 04:44 PM
Are you saying their students arent smart? Are you that big of a bigot?
I'm not saying they're not smart. I'm saying some, especially those in academia, question the type of curriculums at those school.
Go Lehigh TU Owl
August 19th, 2016, 04:48 PM
Air Force - Probably
Arkansas State - Probably not
Boise State - fo sho
BYU - fo sho
Central Florida - probably
Cincinnati - probably
Colorado State - probably not
UConn - probably not
East Carolina - probably
Houston - fo sho
Memphis - probably
Northern Illinois - probably
New Mexico - nope
San Diego State - probably
South Florida - probably not
SMU - hell nope
Temple - maybe?
Tulane - nope
USF and Temple would make it this year. They're picked 1-2 in the AAC. ECU is stuck somewhat in a rut with a new coaching staff so I doubt it. UCF is a mess right now...
Air Force - Maybe
Arkansas State - Probably not
Boise State - Yes
BYU - Probably
Central Florida - No
Cincinnati - Yes
Colorado State - Probably
UConn - Likely
East Carolina - No
Houston - Yes
Memphis - Yes
Northern Illinois - Maybe
New Mexico - No
San Diego State - Yes
South Florida - Yes
SMU - No
Temple - Yes
Tulane - No
POD Knows
August 19th, 2016, 04:51 PM
How about Liberty? The school's academic prowess will always be questioned due to the religious make-up of its curriculum/student body. BYU faces the same type of scrutiny by those really invested in academia.
How about Georgetown and Notre Dame?
Hammerhead
August 19th, 2016, 05:27 PM
Could any of those make the FCS playoffs?
New Mexico should be considered for the Big Sky, not Big 12. :)
Professor Chaos
August 19th, 2016, 05:32 PM
New Mexico should be considered for the Big Sky, not Big 12. :)
Give the Lobos more credit than that!
They'd fit great into the SLC.
Catatonic
August 19th, 2016, 05:32 PM
I'm not saying they're not smart. I'm saying some, especially those in academia, question the type of curriculums at those school.
i know this to be so. The argument is critical thinking is stifled at religious schools such as Liberty and BYU. Critical thinking requires exposure to competing ideas.
I wonder if students are presented with a range of thoughts at the institutions who are most likely to criticize religious schools?
For example, Liberty invited Bernie to speak at its required student assembly this past spring, along with a range of conservative speakers. How many of those who would vote against BYU or Liberty can say that their institution welcomes speakers across the ideological spectrum?
In some ways there is less academic freedom at many state universities than private religious ones.
Laker
August 19th, 2016, 05:40 PM
i know this to be so. The argument is critical thinking is stifled at religious schools such as Liberty and BYU. Critical thinking requires exposure to competing ideas.
I wonder if students are presented with a range of thoughts at the institutions who are most likely to criticize religious schools?
For example, Liberty invited Bernie to speak at its required student assembly this past spring, along with a range of conservative speakers. How many of those who would vote against BYU or Liberty can say that their institution welcomes speakers across the ideological spectrum?
In some ways there is less academic freedom at many state universities than private religious ones.
Plus 1000. At many public schools things have shifted so far to the left they have no idea what an "open" discussion is like.
Go Lehigh TU Owl
August 19th, 2016, 08:32 PM
How about Georgetown and Notre Dame?
You'd have to ask university presidents/faculty as to why they're more receptive of Jesuit/Catholic universities. My guess is, since their student body is less homogenous those schools have a broader curriculum?
clenz
August 19th, 2016, 09:29 PM
You'd have to ask university presidents/faculty as to why they're more receptive of Jesuit/Catholic universities. My guess is, since their student body is less homogenous those schools have a broader curriculum?
That and as cookey and whacked out as Catholics can be, they don't really hold a candle to Liberty and BYU in terms of whacked out fringe foundation of the university structure.
POD Knows
August 19th, 2016, 11:21 PM
You'd have to ask university presidents/faculty as to why they're more receptive of Jesuit/Catholic universities. My guess is, since their student body is less homogenous those schools have a broader curriculum?
85% of Notre Dame students are Catholic but I would agree that the school is probably more secular than Liberty or BYU. Don't have any idea whether or not that effects the actual education of the students but it probably does. This is probably another thread but I would be curious to see what the average pay is for graduates of Notre Dame, Georgetown, Liberty, BYU and the like. I would prefer to judge how these institutions prepare people for the world, not on some latent religious bias that somebody might have.
superman7515
August 20th, 2016, 12:27 AM
Give the Lobos more credit than that!
They'd fit great into the SLC.
I think people are confusing New Mexico with New Mexico State. The Lobos were in a bowl game last year and beat both Boise State and Air Force whom everyone is saying would be locks for the FCS playoffs. Bob Davie has improved UNM significantly.
Catatonic
August 20th, 2016, 07:13 AM
Could any of those make the FCS playoffs?
Just for fun.....what would the FCS Top 25 look like if all the potential B12 expansion candidates were included? Based on Sagarin Preseason rankings:
1. Boise State
2. Houston
3. North Dakota State
4. BYU
5. USF
6. Air Force
7. San Diego State
8. Temple
9. Cincinnati
10. Northern Iowa
11. Northern Illionois
12. Arkansas State
13. South Dakota State
14. East Carolina
15. U Conn
16. Sam Houston
17. Chatty
18. Colorado State
19. Illinois State
20. Jacksonville State
21. Harvard
22. UCF
23. Youngstown
24. New Mexico
25. Rice
Tulane and SMU would both be "bubble" or "also receiving votes" teams.
Cocky
August 20th, 2016, 09:58 AM
Just for fun.....what would the FCS Top 25 look like if all the potential B12 expansion candidates were included? Based on Sagarin Preseason rankings:
1. Boise State
2. Houston
3. North Dakota State
4. BYU
5. USF
6. Air Force
7. San Diego State
8. Temple
9. Cincinnati
10. Northern Iowa
11. Northern Illionois
12. Arkansas State
13. South Dakota State
14. East Carolina
15. U Conn
16. Sam Houston
17. Chatty
18. Colorado State
19. Illinois State
20. Jacksonville State
21. Harvard
22. UCF
23. Youngstown
24. New Mexico
25. Rice
Tulane and SMU would both be "bubble" or "also receiving votes" teams.
Side question, how does a computer come up with a ranking before any games have been played? Does it have some human influence? If so then isnt it just another poll?
Catatonic
August 20th, 2016, 10:23 AM
Side question, how does a computer come up with a ranking before any games have been played? Does it have some human influence? If so then isnt it just another poll?
I was havin fun. Now you've gone and spoiled with by getting all logical and reasoned.
On my more serious days, I'd agree with you. Most preseason predictions, whether polls or computer analyses, are all just guesstimates at the end of the day. There's simply not enough current data for it to be otherwise.
Southern Bison
August 20th, 2016, 01:12 PM
Just for fun.....what would the FCS Top 25 look like if all the potential B12 expansion candidates were included? Based on Sagarin Preseason rankings:
1. Boise State
2. Houston
3. North Dakota State
4. BYU
5. USF
6. Air Force
7. San Diego State
8. Temple
9. Cincinnati
10. Northern Iowa
11. Northern Illionois
12. Arkansas State
13. South Dakota State
14. East Carolina
15. U Conn
16. Sam Houston
17. Chatty
18. Colorado State
19. Illinois State
20. Jacksonville State
21. Harvard
22. UCF
23. Youngstown
24. New Mexico
25. Rice
Tulane and SMU would both be "bubble" or "also receiving votes" teams.
8 of your top ten are based on reputations with 85 scholarships...impossible that would be the outcome after taking away 22 offers.
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dgtw
August 25th, 2016, 08:23 AM
With all the talk about Big 12 expansion, only four FBS independents remain. UMass goes it alone.
http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20160813/going-it-alone-umass-trying-to-survive-as-fbs-independent
I don't see them surviving long. No conference means no chance at a bowl game or a slice of the FBS playoff pie. Playing 90 miles from campus kills student support, especially if the team sucks. They have no national brand or history to use in trying to schedule and no long time rivals. Playing at the Patriots may draw some teams but that is about it.
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Laker
August 25th, 2016, 10:42 AM
I don't see them surviving long. No conference means no chance at a bowl game or a slice of the FBS playoff pie. Playing 90 miles from campus kills student support, especially if the team sucks. They have no national brand or history to use in trying to schedule and no long time rivals. Playing at the Patriots may draw some teams but that is about it.
Do they hope to get into the AAC? I can't see them getting into anything else at the FBS level. CUSA?
dgtw
August 25th, 2016, 10:50 PM
Do they hope to get into the AAC? I can't see them getting into anything else at the FBS level. CUSA?
If the AAC needed members I think they take them. It gets them in Boston and gives UConn a local rival.
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ASU33
August 28th, 2016, 04:29 PM
I'm hearing over on Twitter that it will be BYU and Houston with the announcement coming on Sept. 3rd
smilo
August 28th, 2016, 06:16 PM
I'm hearing over on Twitter that it will be BYU and Houston with the announcement coming on Sept. 3rd
This makes no sense. Cincinnati is the obvious choice.
If UMass plugs the hole, we may get absolutely no movement except the loss of independents :( Sort of a worst case scenario for FCS hopefuls. Well, maybe Monmouth bounces to the A-10 or something? I don't see how they push football to the CAA though.
superman7515
September 2nd, 2016, 10:23 PM
1/3 of the schools have been eliminated, there are 11 remaining in contention:
Air Force
Brigham Young
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Colorado State
Houston
Rice
South Florida
Southern Methodist
Tulane
Representatives from each of those schools will be in Dallas next week to make their sales pitch, still expecting to take only two of the eleven.
TheValleyRaider
September 2nd, 2016, 10:33 PM
I'm of two minds about this.
On the one hand, this whole process seems unnecessarily drawn out and ridiculous, and makes the conference leadership look totally confused about their intentions.
On the other, I have a suspicion that the league knows what schools it's set on (or at least which 3 or 4 are the favorites), and this is all a smokescreen to negotiate with Fox and ESPN over TV money. Once that's settled, they'll hold the official vote and get the schools that dot all the I's and cross all the T's.
Bisonoline
September 2nd, 2016, 11:05 PM
I don't see them surviving long. No conference means no chance at a bowl game or a slice of the FBS playoff pie. Playing 90 miles from campus kills student support, especially if the team sucks. They have no national brand or history to use in trying to schedule and no long time rivals. Playing at the Patriots may draw some teams but that is about it.
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Who was the idiot that thought that was a good idea. Wow Then who the hell approved it?
Cocky
September 3rd, 2016, 12:27 AM
1/3 of the schools have been eliminated, there are 11 remaining in contention:
Air Force
Brigham Young
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Colorado State
Houston
Rice
South Florida
Southern Methodist
Tulane
Representatives from each of those schools will be in Dallas next week to make their sales pitch, still expecting to take only two of the eleven.
No Memphis?
Laker
September 3rd, 2016, 10:09 AM
No Memphis?
Even though FedEx was talking about putting $500 million into the school for various projects, the Dirty Dozen minus Two didn't think that their academics were good enough.
This whole process is overly complicated.
superman7515
September 3rd, 2016, 11:33 AM
On the other, I have a suspicion that the league knows what schools it's set on (or at least which 3 or 4 are the favorites), and this is all a smokescreen to negotiate with Fox and ESPN over TV money. Once that's settled, they'll hold the official vote and get the schools that dot all the I's and cross all the T's.
There's no need to negotiate, it has no effect on who they select. Whether they take Notre Dame or Ferris State, they get the same amount of money. The way the television contract is set up, no matter who is chosen, if they select two more teams, they will get $400 million more over the life of the contract (expires after 2024-2025 season), if they select four more teams, they get $800 million more. There's no negotiating by Fox/ESPN, it's already in the contract. The question will be if they choose a short-term cash grab ($800 million now) by taking any four they can get, or if they think long-term by going with 2-4 larger markets to try to increase the contract in 2026.
superman7515
September 3rd, 2016, 11:38 AM
No Memphis?
Even though FedEx was talking about putting $500 million into the school for various projects, the Dirty Dozen minus Two didn't think that their academics were good enough.
This whole process is overly complicated.
Memphis was also hurt by FedEx. Memphis offered to take less than a full-share of the conference payout money and FedEx said they would make up the difference, the Big 12 schools thought this offered sounded desperate and showed that Memphis was being propped up by the conference, not the conference being helped by Memphis, so it was supposed to be a positive for them and instead was taken as a huge negative.
Laker
September 3rd, 2016, 05:45 PM
Now that Houston beat the Sooners, will Oklahoma vote against them???:D
bonarae
September 8th, 2016, 06:18 PM
Meanwhile...
Iowa State students are angry against BYU joining their athletics conference... xcoffeex
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17496085/iowa-state-student-government-opposes-byu-big-12-candidacy
Go Lehigh TU Owl
September 12th, 2016, 12:25 AM
Meanwhile...
Iowa State students are angry against BYU joining their athletics conference... xcoffeex
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17496085/iowa-state-student-government-opposes-byu-big-12-candidacy
Iowa State should drop football and join the MVC....
Cocky
September 12th, 2016, 10:13 AM
Create an "all inclusive atmosphere" while asking for some people not be invited to their campus?
Just have a tough time understanding how this makes you any different than the group you are against? A bigot is a bigot and these students are bigots.
Laker
October 17th, 2016, 03:29 PM
Chip Brown @ChipBrownHD (https://twitter.com/ChipBrownHD) 4m4 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ChipBrownHD/status/788096996183724033)
No new members were added to the #Big12 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Big12?src=hash) during today's Big 12 Board of Directors meeting, multiple sources tell http://HornsDigest.com (https://t.co/XBNn1ev7Ha).
Word is that the presidents, who were supposed to meet with the AD's at 3:30, are already on their way home. Doesn't look good for the hopeful teams.
The Big 12 is looking like Bizarro World- all of this running around and no prom date.
clenz
October 17th, 2016, 03:34 PM
Chip Brown @ChipBrownHD (https://twitter.com/ChipBrownHD) 4m4 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ChipBrownHD/status/788096996183724033)
No new members were added to the #Big12 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Big12?src=hash) during today's Big 12 Board of Directors meeting, multiple sources tell http://HornsDigest.com (https://t.co/XBNn1ev7Ha).
Word is that the presidents, who were supposed to meet with the AD's at 3:30, are already on their way home. Doesn't look good for the hopeful teams.
The Big 12 is looking like Bizarro World- all of this running around and no prom date.
He's the same guy that said that there was zero percent chance AM would leave the B12 for the SEC and was 100% sure his sources in 2010 telling him OU, OSU, UT and TTU to the P10 was a done deal.
Basically, Cinci and BYU to the B12 confirmed.
clenz
October 17th, 2016, 03:36 PM
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superman7515
October 17th, 2016, 03:59 PM
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Says his account was hacked and he never sent that, sound like the Big 12 doesn't have anyone at this time.
Laker
October 17th, 2016, 07:22 PM
If you want to listen to the Big 12 press conference, you can turn to two networks: Comedy Central and the Disaster Channel.
superman7515
October 18th, 2016, 12:22 PM
Rumors that Texas wouldn't let a vote on Houston happen because they want Houston's coach and didn't feel he would leave if Houston got into the Big 12.
TheRevSFA
October 18th, 2016, 01:01 PM
Rumors that Texas wouldn't let a vote on Houston happen because they want Houston's coach and didn't feel he would leave if Houston got into the Big 12.
more to it than that...involves UT wanting to build campus at Houston, and of course U of H doesn't want it...but rumor had it that U of H would drop the opposition if added to big 12
Also, adding Houston to the Big 12 definitely makes it harder to recruit in Houston for the other schools.
clenz
October 18th, 2016, 01:11 PM
Basically, the same **** as 2010.
UT's ego almost ruined the conference and the conference decided to let UT do whatever it wanted so that the rest of the league had a home.
Same **** happened here.
Iowa Stat's AD came out and said that should UT leave the league Iowa State's best cases scenario is the MWC. Basically admitting the B12 would implode and be split between the B10 and SEC and acknolweding that Iowa, Minnesota and Nebraska would never let them in the B10.
Catatonic
October 18th, 2016, 01:49 PM
Basically, the same **** as 2010.
UT's ego almost ruined the conference and the conference decided to let UT do whatever it wanted so that the rest of the league had a home.
Same **** happened here.
Iowa Stat's AD came out and said that should UT leave the league Iowa State's best cases scenario is the MWC. Basically admitting the B12 would implode and be split between the B10 and SEC and acknolweding that Iowa, Minnesota and Nebraska would never let them in the B10.
More specifically, it was the UT Athletic Director's ego that almost broke up the B12. Deloss Dodds is gone. UT still has ego issues, along with OU. Just not as bad as under Dodds.
It wasn't just UT that didn't want Houston. A lot of the out of state schools that recruit Texas heavily did not want another B12 member from Texas to compete against.
superman7515
October 18th, 2016, 06:36 PM
It wasn't just UT that didn't want Houston. A lot of the out of state schools that recruit Texas heavily did not want another B12 member from Texas to compete against.
But if that is the only issue, why not still expand with BYU and Cincinnati and call it a day? They were still two of the top three choices and one of them was most likely going to get in even if they took Houston, just play it off like you thought Houston was choice #3 and roll with it.
Laker
October 18th, 2016, 08:31 PM
But if that is the only issue, why not still expand with BYU and Cincinnati and call it a day? They were still two of the top three choices and one of them was most likely going to get in even if they took Houston, just play it off like you thought Houston was choice #3 and roll with it.
That is what I thought they would do after all the talk about teams not wanting Houston.
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