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Boogs
April 21st, 2016, 05:46 PM
Serious question that went unanswered on the NEC forum:

Is the view of the action from the stands for Duquesne home football games reasonable?

Saw some pics and envisioned the view of the action to be unbearable.

Wanted to catch a Duquesne game when they were not hosting Dayton. Is it worth it?

Thanks beforehand to all the non-haters responding.

Pinnum
April 21st, 2016, 05:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SecMmnl_bxg

Boogs
April 21st, 2016, 06:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SecMmnl_bxg

Didn't think about youtube. Thanks.

Most seats don't elevate high enough above the player heads on the sideline.

Why don't they just rent-out the lower bowl of the Steelers stadium instead?

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22367&stc=1

dgtw
April 21st, 2016, 06:44 PM
I've seen youth leagues with better seating then that.

UAalum72
April 21st, 2016, 07:31 PM
Why don't they just rent-out the lower bowl of the Steelers stadium instead?

Way too big for Duquesne.

Better bet would be the Wolvarena of Woodland Hills HS just nine miles away. Any stadium with kielbasa and golabki is OK by me. http://www.maxpreps.com/news/article.aspx?articleid=ad5c15d8-f6f3-4f13-8b27-d79fc7f4c9f8&page=10 (http://www.maxpreps.com/news/article.aspx?articleid=ad5c15d8-f6f3-4f13-8b27-d79fc7f4c9f8&page=10O\\\\)

Or they could try Carnegie-Mellon's 3500-seat Gesling Stadium, but that's no bigger, and I don't know the politics of Pittsburgh-area football.
http://athletics.cmu.edu/facilities/images/2014images/Gesling_pan_Standsview.jpg?max_height=244&max_width=984

DFW HOYA
April 21st, 2016, 08:01 PM
Rooney Field was one of a series of strange stadia in the MAAC Football League, including Georgetown's Kehoe Field (which sat 20 feet atop a roof), Iona's Mazella Field (surrounded by buildings that nearly came up to the field), Siena's Heritage Park (now an abandoned lot) and St. Peter's Cochrane Stadium, where the Peacocks had to play some games on Friday afternoons because the field was booked by high schools on the weekends.

The other side:

https://dgpriore95.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/img_0502.jpg

Boogs
April 21st, 2016, 08:26 PM
Didn't think about local high schools nearby as an idea, either. xoopsx

Homecoming has to be pure hell. How do you get home field advantage ....ever? I can't figure out how the NCAA would ever grant a home playoff game to the Dukes (travel to William and Mary).

Richmond played off campus at City Stadium for years before doing it right with the jack hammer on campus.

Seriously, what would be so wrong about playing at the nearest and best built high school stadium, indefinitely? Where's the shame in doing that? Work out a contract to jointly own a high school to put-up Duquesne artwork/school colors in the high school stadium.

Looks like the best view of the action is from some dorm room window in the end zone. Hopefully the window is shut, but if not and as an additional precaution the fans are using safety belts around their waist so they don't fall out.

BisonFan02
April 21st, 2016, 08:29 PM
Didn't think about local high schools nearby as an idea, either. xoopsx

Homecoming has to be pure hell. How do you get home field advantage ....ever? I can't figure out how the NCAA would ever grant a home playoff game to the Dukes (travel to William and Mary).

Richmond played off campus at City Stadium for years before doing it right with the jack hammer on campus.

Seriously, what would be so wrong about playing at the nearest and best built high school stadium, indefinitely? Where's the shame in doing that? Work out a contract to jointly own a high school to put-up Duquesne artwork/school colors in the high school stadium.

Looks like the best view of the action is from some dorm room window in the end zone. Hopefully the window is shut, but if not and as an additional precaution the fans are using safety belts around their waist so they don't fall out.

http://i.imgur.com/JSetU02.gif

DFW HOYA
April 21st, 2016, 08:39 PM
Seriously, what would be so wrong about playing at the nearest and best built high school stadium, indefinitely? Where's the shame in doing that? Work out a contract to jointly own a high school to put-up Duquesne artwork/school colors in the high school stadium.


Duquesne used to play at South Stadium before they returned on campus:

https://ionenewpittsburghcourier.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/cupples-after1606.jpg

Boogs
April 21st, 2016, 09:05 PM
In the persona of Donald Trump <not necessarily endorsing him>, Duquesne's leadership going back as far as 2006 with this stadium idea is a total disaster.

The goals/objectives were all wrong. Sight-lines should have been issue #1. That's why stadiums are built in the first place.

kdinva
April 21st, 2016, 09:15 PM
Serious question that went unanswered on the NEC forum:

Is the view of the action from the stands for Duquesne home football games reasonable?



VMI: the level of the press box with the writers, stats, coaches, etc., is about 60-65 feet above field level, and the first row on the visitor's side is about five feet above field level.


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Franks Tanks
April 22nd, 2016, 08:45 AM
I wouldn't avoid going to a game just because of Rooney field. Yes, it is a bit odd and small, but get there early and get a seat on the home side that has actual bleachers.

The South Side stadium is pretty nice, and just across the Mon river from the Duquesne campus, but all the Pittsburgh city schools play there. Probably not a viable option for Duquesne.

Boogs
April 22nd, 2016, 09:05 AM
I wouldn't avoid going to a game just because of Rooney field. Yes, it is a bit odd and small, but get there early and get a seat on the home side that has actual bleachers.

That's not problem solving using what God gave you between your ears. Nor is it leadership.

The stadium setup reminds me of the volunteers who do not workout at all, who get their way at a local YMCA in designing a gym and fitness system.

I'm not going. Time to stick it to the folks that did not think things through back in and around 2006. That doesn't sound like higher education to me from the folks who are suppose to be teaching sound decision making.

I'm not paying to see the back of some sideline player's head for 2 1/2 hours.

I support Duquesne but I do not support the continued employment of those who did this. That is bush league.

Feel sorry for the players and coaches.

RedFlash
April 22nd, 2016, 09:12 AM
I attended the SFU/Duquesne game last year and stood on the visitor's side for the game. It's a pretty incredible view of the game when the action is in front of you but you can pretty much forget seeing anything from about midfield and beyond - especially if it happens on the far side of the field. It's frustrating, but I had the game pulled up on my phone on ESPN3 so I could see replays of anything I missed - although the TV angles you get from the camera placement at the stadium are a little odd.

In terms of them using Couples Stadium on the South Side, the turf there was always one of the worst in the City and there's very little parking in the area, so I'm sure that led to the decision to try to move games on campus.

Boogs
April 22nd, 2016, 09:21 AM
I attended the SFU/Duquesne game last year and stood on the visitor's side for the game. It's a pretty incredible view of the game when the action is in front of you but you can pretty much forget seeing anything from about midfield and beyond - especially if it happens on the far side of the field. It's frustrating, but I had the game pulled up on my phone on ESPN3 so I could see replays of anything I missed - although the TV angles you get from the camera placement at the stadium are a little odd.

In terms of them using Couples Stadium on the South Side, the turf there was always one of the worst in the City and there's very little parking in the area, so I'm sure that led to the decision to try to move games on campus.

Art of the Deal. Push the envelope with the area high schools.

Franks Tanks
April 22nd, 2016, 09:41 AM
That's not problem solving using what God gave you between your ears. Nor is it leadership.

The stadium setup reminds me of the volunteers who do not workout at all, who get their way at a local YMCA in designing a gym and fitness system.

I'm not going. Time to stick it to the folks that did not think things through back in and around 2006. That doesn't sound like higher education to me from the folks who are suppose to be teaching sound decision making.

I'm not paying to see the back of some sideline player's head for 2 1/2 hours.

I support Duquesne but I do not support the continued employment of those who did this. That is bush league.

Feel sorry for the players and coaches.

The situation could obviously be easily remedied, but the school doesn't care.

downbythebeach
April 22nd, 2016, 05:06 PM
The DU admin wishes they has a reason to drop the program a decade ago like the other MAAC schools.

Boogs
April 22nd, 2016, 06:00 PM
The DU admin wishes they has a reason to drop the program a decade ago like the other MAAC schools.

There's something to be said about the Art of the Deal.

Take a look at the 1984 Olympics. Refurbishing existing setups instead of building totally new facilities, all with positive cashflow. Woulda coulda with existing nearby high schools could have made Duquesne comparable to Dayton acquiring Welcome Stadium.

DFW HOYA
April 22nd, 2016, 07:13 PM
There's something to be said about the Art of the Deal.

Take a look at the 1984 Olympics. Refurbishing existing setups instead of building totally new facilities, all with positive cashflow. Woulda coulda with existing nearby high schools could have made Duquesne comparable to Dayton acquiring Welcome Stadium.

There's something to on-campus football that made Rooney Field a positive experience for DU students, even if some of the larger I-AA schools look down its nose. And not every school has an off-campus option to consider as Dayton did.

Boogs
April 22nd, 2016, 07:56 PM
There's something to on-campus football that made Rooney Field a positive experience for DU students,

Yes, it's called the Pittsburgh Steelers practice field. How did that benefit the Dukes football program? I don't know. Imagine if the blue prints were torn up and done over with steep seats with the first row beginning 8 feet off of the ground, etc.

The bottom line was the Steelers don't have the need for sight-lines since it's a practice field, they just need dorm rooms for players.

Did John Kerry represent Duquesne in that deal too? Doesn't sound like Trump was involved.


And not every school has an off-campus option to consider as Dayton did.

Are you sure? How many FCS schools don't have a surrounding community with its own high schools nearby?

PAllen
April 22nd, 2016, 11:16 PM
Yes, it's called the Pittsburgh Steelers practice field. How did that benefit the Dukes football program? I don't know. Imagine if the blue prints were torn up and done over with steep seats with the first row beginning 8 feet off of the ground, etc.

The bottom line was the Steelers don't have the need for sight-lines since it's a practice field, they just need dorm rooms for players.

Did John Kerry represent Duquesne in that deal too? Doesn't sound like Trump was involved.



Are you sure? How many FCS schools don't have a surrounding community with its own high schools nearby?

Actually, the Steelers share a practice facility with Pitt on the south side of the river, just above the Hot Metal Bridge.

Boogs
April 23rd, 2016, 12:35 AM
Actually, the Steelers share a practice facility with Pitt on the south side of the river, just above the Hot Metal Bridge.

If wikipedia is correct in regards to Duquesne's football field:

"Prior to the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Sportsplex opening in 2000, the field and other university facilities served as either the primary or secondary in-season training facilities for the Steelers since their founding in 1933."

PAllen
April 23rd, 2016, 01:11 AM
If wikipedia is correct in regards to Duquesne's football field:

"Prior to the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Sportsplex opening in 2000, the field and other university facilities served as either the primary or secondary in-season training facilities for the Steelers since their founding in 1933."

And Duquesne renovated and moved to Rooney field like 5 years later right?

DFW HOYA
April 23rd, 2016, 08:22 AM
If wikipedia is correct in regards to Duquesne's football field:

"Prior to the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Sportsplex opening in 2000, the field and other university facilities served as either the primary or secondary in-season training facilities for the Steelers since their founding in 1933."

The editor is confusing things. Rooney Field was a parking lot until 1993. In-season training took place nearby at Pitt, given that the Steelers played at Forbes Field and Pitt Stadium. Duquesne had no on-campus field of any kind until the mid-1970's and was (and is) an urban campus.

Bill
April 23rd, 2016, 09:39 PM
The editor is confusing things.

Are you saying that wikipedia is wrong? Is that even possible? xrolleyesx

I knew there was a reason I don't let students use it as an academic source....

Bisonoline
April 23rd, 2016, 10:21 PM
Actually 2 sources were wrong.xlolx