Shout out to the Fans

[FootballCEO]

*just sipping my coffee and reading*

[BisonFan02]

Hey mods, move this spam to smack plz.

[clenz]

Hey mods, move this spam to smack plz.
Troof

[BisonFan02]

Troof

Conversation can continue over there....I'm not having it on the FCS discussion board.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

*just sipping my coffee and reading*


...laughing at your draft evaluations.....xlolxxcoffeex

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

Idea for a new profile pic em??xnodx

http://www.thewhirlingwind.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Ostrich-man-head-in-sand.jpg

[TheRevSFA]

Hey mods, move this spam to smack plz.

Seeing as y'all took an entire thread and turned it into a **** talk fest...

maybe I should combine the threads and retitle it to the "bison bitch session"

im also in no way saying Em is right but you complaining about this....

[BisoNick]

The bait has been set. Let's see who takes it!


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[TheRevSFA]

Also for the record I want Wentz in Dallas. Too bad Cleveland will make him the next former Browns qb

[BisonFan02]

Seeing as y'all took an entire thread and turned it into a **** talk fest...

maybe I should combine the threads and retitle it to the "bison bitch session"

im also in no way saying Em is right but you complaining about this....

No worries....We'll have the discussion here once I'm not on my phone. My **** talk fest in the other forum was centered around Carson Wentz and the thoughts of an AGS contributor/FCS Wedge radio personality. Longer post pending.....

[TheRevSFA]

No worries....We'll have the discussion here once I'm not on my phone. My **** talk fest in the other forum was centered around Carson Wentz and the thoughts of an AGS contributor/FCS Wedge radio personality. Longer post pending.....

And 14 pages of it and maybe 1/3 of the posts weren't **** talk.

But this is staying in FCSD though. TOS applies :)

[BisonFan02]

And 14 pages of it and maybe 1/3 of the posts weren't **** talk.

But this is staying in FCSD though. TOS applies :)

It was "draft chatter".....albeit delusional and agenda driven chatter. xlolx

[TheRevSFA]

It was "draft chatter".....albeit delusional and agenda driven chatter. xlolx

You're still my favorite Rep Whore

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Seeing as y'all took an entire thread and turned it into a **** talk fest...

maybe I should combine the threads and retitle it to the "bison bitch session"

im also in no way saying Em is right but you complaining about this....


Nothing wrong with questioning someone that thinks he is an "expert" when everyone in the same field has a 180 degree different opinion.

[JSUSoutherner]

Also for the record I want Wentz in Dallas. Too bad Cleveland will make him the next former Browns qb

I want him in Atlanta. Matt Ryan $UX A$$ and Blank is too stupid to do anything about it.

I think Wentz would be a good fit here and add a new demension to the offense like we had when Vick was around.

I can dream.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I would love him to go to Pittsburgh and sit behind Big Ben, but it will never happen. I think the latest he would possibly go would be to SF, especially with Kap wanting a trade.

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

I want him in Atlanta. Matt Ryan $UX A$$ and Blank is too stupid to do anything about it.

I think Wentz would be a good fit here and add a new demension to the offense like we had when Vick was around.

I can dream.

Some people freaking out about Cleveland while I'm freaking out about him going to Dallas. Just don't see the Jerry Jones circus becoming stable anytime soon..... or during his lifetime. I could get on board with ATL or LA or even teams like buffalo or the jets. Either way I'm buying a Jersey!:D

[BisonTru]

*just sipping my coffee and reading*

Which 3-4 quarterbacks looked better than Carson at the Senior Bowl?

[BisonFan02]

Welp....here goes nothing. This will end up being a TL;DR rant...and likely my last on the subject (I hope anyway).

DISCLAIMER: The ONLY reason why I even give this topic consideration and "the time of day" is because I have previously enjoyed the FCS Wedge and raised funds to bring them to Fargo (including a good chunk of my own money...haha)....and with Em using the AGS community to push his materials, I think this topic should be up for discussion. I'm not anticipating getting any sort of answer from Em that has any sort of substance...but whatever. Like Rev alluded to earlier in this thread, there has already been "discussion" about this topic in the "ins and outs" forum in the Wentz thread. Some of the info here will be duplication to whats over there. I will try to keep it short and keep the outside topics (like the twitter/youtube name calling) out of it.

My initial question from that topic:


Em:


Carson has been the 3rd or 4th best QB in Mobile.


Defend this opinion Em that you had on the radio with Hallstrom or you have lost all credibility to me....really ****ing ridiculous. I genuinely don't know what you have been watching and the lionshare of scouts completely disagree with you...

From the Senior Bowl:

TOP QUARTERBACK
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State
TOP RUNNING BACK
Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech

TOP WIDE RECEIVER
Sterling Shepard, Oklahoma
TOP OFFENSIVE LINEMAN
Jason Spriggs, Indiana
TOP SPECIALIST
Jeff Overbaugh, San Diego State
TOP DEFENSIVE LINEMAN
Noah Spence, Eastern Kentucky

TOP LINEBACKER
Reggie Ragland, Alabama
TOP DEFENSIVE BACK
Harlan Miller, SE Louisiana

I've been tracking a few of Em's opinions over the past season or so, and the above is one of the more recent questions at the end of January. Needless to say, I didn't get a real answer. This is when I finally decided to start digging....

If you want to go find his videos on the topic, be my guest. I'm not going to promote them or give him any more clicks.

Em's top 12 QBs in this year's draft:

1. Cardale Jones
2. Dalyn Williams
3. Trevone Boykin
4. Cody Kessler
5. Jared Goff
6. Jacoby Brissett
7. Vernon Adams
8. Dak Prescott
9. Connor Cook
10. Vad Lee
11. Kyle Washington
12. Carson Wentz

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22241&stc=1

again....feel free to go to @AwfulWhiteQBs if you want to start comparing opinions/evaluations. Em was quick to like the above tweet. Power to him I guess. He hasn't been apologetic about giving that account a follow either....because when asked by a fellow AGS poster on his youtube account on the topic, he said defiantly "Because I can"...yup, he sure can...just like I can call him out for the follow and ask for justification.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160215/05fd799c10e2a0f1a4e93e45edbc7101.jpg

...but back to Em. Your #2 ranked QB (Dalyn Williams) is supposedly not going to be afforded the opportunity to succeed like Jared Goff. Would you care to expand on why you think that? I don't want to put words in your mouth and want to give you the floor to explain how you have ranked your QB prospects.

But...maybe I should give your "expert" opinion a chance....

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22238&stc=1

Brock Jensen will never have to buy a beer in Fargo ever again.....but you have jumped the shark with this one. I can't even explain it as a Bison fan...not even on this topic outside of maybe taking previous criticism personal and now making it an agenda against Wentz in general. xlolx

How about this...a more recent comparison (and topical). Between Carson Wentz and Eli Jenkins, who is your better/higher rated pro prospect? Even though we will have to wait for Jenkins.

I'm getting tired of ranting about this...just a few more statements/open questions I guess:

I know your top 12 QBs are based on your "evaluation" of these QBs through some sort of study (film, stats, etc)...and everyone is entitled to their opinion...just like I'm able to call you out on your opinion.

Regarding Dalyn (and other "outliers"/differing opinions from professional scouts in your rankings) and your follow of @AwfulWhiteQBS:

1) AwfulWhiteQBs is a twitter account that is very outspoken about the topic of NFL franchises having a bias against African American QBs. Do you agree with the opinion of said account?

2) Do you believe the national media and scouts perpetuate the bias through their coverage of NFL prospects during the process? Or do you believe they just have differing opinions based on their own study/experience?

3) With your top 12 QB rankings, do you believe some of your top candidates were passed on for events like the Senior Bowl and the NFL combine because of these biases?

4) If you've answered yes to the key points of the first 3 questions, do you believe your rankings have been influenced by your own agenda and is there a motive to give these QBs visibility and the topic of African American QBs in the NFL more discussion?


I gotta be honest...I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from. I know the only answer I'm going to get is "watch the film", and I think you are underestimating just how much FCS football (and collegiate football in general) that I watch. There HAS to be a reason that your opinion of these guys differs that drastically from the other professionals in the industry...and where there's smoke...there's fire.

Em, the floor is yours...

[BisonTru]

I would love him to go to Pittsburgh and sit behind Big Ben, but it will never happen. I think the latest he would possibly go would be to SF, especially with Kap wanting a trade.

I don't see him getting past Cleveland at #2. I don't love it, but if that ownership will give Hue and Wentz the time they could end the rotating door at QB they've had since the early 90s. I've watched a lot of Goff and I like him, but then you go back to the Wentz film, and what he can do with the football. Then add in the size and athleticism, I can't see Hue passing on him.

[TheRevSFA]

Nothing wrong with questioning someone that thinks he is an "expert" when everyone in the same field has a 180 degree different opinion.

Difference between reasoned questions and **** talking. You know that.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Nice work BF02.

That list of 12 QBs is a joke and Em knows it. 1/2 of those guys will not be drafted. Jones at #1? Watching the combine....no way is Jones #1 and it is not even close.

If he answers, you'll get sidesteps and weak excuses. Him following that twitter account diminishes his already weak credibility.

[BisonFan02]

Difference between reasoned questions and **** talking. You know that.

Its been thrown back from both sides via twitter to a Bison HOF linebacker and to some guy on youtube Em told to "go and suck a bag of baby dicks" for a few examples. He also decided to take my picture off of my twitter account (admittedly set up 5 or so years ago and never changed), and tweet it with "Art imitating life #strikingout". Good news is I'm a big boy and I can take it. xlolx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Difference between reasoned questions and **** talking. You know that.


What **** talking? Asking legit questions on how he has CW at #12 when almost EVERYONE has him #1 or #2????? Some that he has in front of him are a complete joke and he loses all credibility putting a list out there like this.

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

Nice work BF02.

That list of 12 QBs is a joke and Em knows it. 1/2 of those guys will not be drafted. Jones at #1? Watching the combine....no way is Jones #1 and it is not even close.

If he answers, you'll get sidesteps and weak excuses. Him following that twitter account diminishes his already weak credibility.

What great insight did you get from watching him pull a hamstring in the 40 ?? I didn't think he threw at all.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

What great insight did you get from watching him pull a hamstring in the 40 ?? I didn't think he threw at all.


I know he did. His whole attitude and demeanor.

[TheRevSFA]

Its been thrown back from both sides via twitter to a Bison HOF linebacker and to some guy on youtube Em told to "go and suck a bag of baby dicks" for a few examples. He also decided to take my picture off of my twitter account (admittedly set up 5 or so years ago and never changed), and tweet it with "Art imitating life #strikingout". Good news is I'm a big boy and I can take it. xlolx

a bag of baby dicks? Definitely classless for sure

[Bisonoline]

What **** talking? Asking legit questions on how he has CW at #12 when almost EVERYONE has him #1 or #2????? Some that he has in front of him are a complete joke and he loses all credibility putting a list out there like this.

Sometimes when somebody makes a stupid as shiat prediction or post you just have to say WTF??? And walk away. xnodx

[TheRevSFA]

I know he did. His whole attitude and demeanor.

So if we were to go off of attitude and demeanor, then cam newton shouldn't have been drafted?

I don't, by any stretch of the imagination, think Jones is a better QB than Wentz but if you're just basing off of intangibles, I find that a stretch

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Sometimes when somebody makes a stupid as shiat prediction or post you cant just say WTF??? And walk away. xnodx


Ya, I know PL!!!

:D

He still hasn't given an explanation of his #12 ranking.....probably never will....

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

So if we were to go off of attitude and demeanor, then cam newton shouldn't have been drafted?

I don't, by any stretch of the imagination, think Jones is a better QB than Wentz but if you're just basing off of intangibles, I find that a stretch


"Intangibles" is all part of the evaluation.

[TheRevSFA]

What **** talking? Asking legit questions on how he has CW at #12 when almost EVERYONE has him #1 or #2????? Some that he has in front of him are a complete joke and he loses all credibility putting a list out there like this.

"Hey Em, in your opinion, why is Wentz ranked lower than Vad Lee and Jones"

"this guy is a ****ing tool"

neither of these are your quotes, but which is a well reasoned challenge? I probably wouldn't agree with the second statement, but after throwing **** like that on a Wentz thread, don't be mad when the guy posts something back. It's tete a tete

[BisonFan02]

a bag of baby dicks? Definitely classless for sure

xlolx not my choice of return smack, but I guess each to their own. Like I said in my rant post, I don't want that part of it to be in the discussion. It is really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things...outside of the fact that Em probably needs to avoid these type of exchanges if he wants a career in professional media.

[Bisonoline]

Ya, I know PL!!!

:D

He still hasn't given an explanation of his #12 ranking.....probably never will....

I messed up. LOL This is what meant to sat---Sometimes when somebody makes a stupid as shiat prediction or post you just have to say WTF??? And walk away. xnodx

But my first post hold true also.xthumbsupx

[TheRevSFA]

"Intangibles" is all part of the evaluation.

Wheres SCFF? I'd like to hear what he thought of him at the combine

[TheRevSFA]

I messed up. LOL This is what meant to sat---Sometimes when somebody makes a stupid as shiat prediction or post you just have to say WTF??? And walk away. xnodx

It's his opinion and he will either be way wrong or way right. But, if he's right, are you going to admit that? I doubt it. To be fair I doubt he admits being wrong

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

"Hey Em, in your opinion, why is Wentz ranked lower than Vad Lee and Jones"

"this guy is a ****ing tool"

neither of these are your quotes, but which is a well reasoned challenge? I probably wouldn't agree with the second statement, but after throwing **** like that on a Wentz thread, don't be mad when the guy posts something back. It's tete a tete


Then why did you quote me then? Hidden agenda for you to make a point by insinuating that I wrote them......xrolleyesx

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Wheres SCFF? I'd like to hear what he thought of him at the combine


Don't know who scff is....

[ming01]

Wentz is a CFL talent at best. He'll go in 9th round.

[TheRevSFA]

Then why did you quote me then? Hidden agenda for you to make a point by insinuating that I wrote them......xrolleyesx

Maybe I'm going politicianesque, or maybe your statement triggered my response.

Also if I was insinuating it was you, I wouldn't have said "these aren't your quotes"......

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

It's his opinion and he will either be way wrong or way right. But, if he's right, are you going to admit that? I doubt it. To be fair I doubt he admits being wrong


He never admits to his hundreds, probably of thousands, of predictions that are so far off but will always come back to his "Russell Wilson" hit. I guess 1 out if infinite is good....xlolx

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Wentz is a CFL talent at best. He'll go in 9th round.


12th round.....

[TheRevSFA]

I don't care what round Wentz goes in, as long as it's to Dallas

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I don't care what round Wentz goes in, as long as it's to Dallas


Dallas needs defensive help.

CB and DT for sure

[TheRevSFA]

Dallas needs defensive help.

CB and DT for sure

dallas needs to look at the future because glass clavicle Romo is one more injury away from done.

[BisonFan02]

I don't care what round Wentz goes in, as long as it's to Dallas

Don't bother. There will be plenty of QBs off of the czar's power rankings available as UDFA. Cardale "flat tire 40" Jones will be available late and you can sign Dalyn to the practice squad in case Cardale comes to camp looking like a guard.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

dallas needs to look at the future because glass clavicle Romo is one more injury away from done.


If Garrett wants him will JJ overrule him?

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Don't bother. There will be plenty of QBs off of the czar's power rankings available as UDFA. Cardale "flat tire 40" Jones will be available late and you can sign Dalyn to the practice squad in case Cardale comes to camp looking like a guard.

xlolx

[TheRevSFA]

Don't bother. There will be plenty of QBs off of the czar's power rankings available as UDFA. Cardale "flat tire 40" Jones will be available late and you can sign Dalyn to the practice squad in case Cardale comes to camp looking like a guard.

Eh could have been worse for Cardale; his dick could have come out while running....

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xlolx

Thats the million dollar question

[JSUSoutherner]

Some people freaking out about Cleveland while I'm freaking out about him going to Dallas. Just don't see the Jerry Jones circus becoming stable anytime soon..... or during his lifetime. I could get on board with ATL or LA or even teams like buffalo or the jets. Either way I'm buying a Jersey!:D
If we could get him and some better DBs we would be a scary team.

[BisonTru]

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Thats the million dollar question

Would they trade up to #1?

[Bisonator]

The czars posts speak for themselves.xcoffeex

[TheRevSFA]

Would they trade up to #1?

Wentz isn't going 1, but no they wouldn't and I doubt they'd move for number 2

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

I'm wondering how much emphasis em puts on several of these quarterbacks being, nearly exclusively, shotgun guys with really questionable footwork. Think Vad Lee and Dalyn Williams.

[BisonFan02]

I'm wondering how much emphasis em puts on several of these quarterbacks being, nearly exclusively, shotgun guys with really questionable footwork. Think Vad Lee and Dalyn Williams.

Well, Lynch isn't even in his Top 12. It must have hurt him, right?

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

Well, Lynch isn't even in his Top 12. It must have hurt him, right?

Apparently we'll never know. You'd think that perhaps one would defend their opinion on a thread that was started by them, about them.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Apparently we'll never know. You'd think that perhaps one would defend their opinion on a thread that was started by them, about them.

Except that he isn't on the board right now. I think we can give this one a day or so before jumping to that one.

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

Except that he isn't on the board right now. I think we can give this one a day or so before jumping to that one.

My bad, got a little excited...... xembarrassedx

[344Johnson]

I don't see the obsession with his rankings. If you guys don't like his rankings (which appear to be pretty far off base), why acknowledge them?

These threads have provided a lot of entertainment so please don't stop for the time being

[BisonFan02]

I don't see the obsession with his rankings. If you guys don't like his rankings (which appear to be pretty far off base), why acknowledge them?

These threads have provided a lot of entertainment so please don't stop for the time being

Like I said, I wouldn't give them any more critique than any other twitter/youtube wannabe scout (and I mean that in the most gentle/loving way xlolx) if Em didn't have an existing presence on this site and the FCS Wedge radio program.

I'm genuinely looking forward to answers to my questions.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

My bad, got a little excited...... xembarrassedxxthumbsupx

[FootballCEO]

There's no sense in replying because it won't matter. If people came at me with "hey, I disagree with you because of X,Y,Z", then I have no problem responding with "Well..here's why I feel this way about A,B,C,"

But when you come at me w/"You suck", "You're rankings are Racist" (which is extremely ironic) and "Wannabe Scout Youtuber"... You get the same response in return. I just find these comments amazing coming from probably some of the people that met me in person. Which is sad.

At the end of the day, I'm a man first that doesn't hide behind any statement, comment, video I make...because it's coming from a well-researched place. Inspect what you expect.

I don't mind the attacks on my credibility but I do find it funny. I started FBGP in 2007 from a print website to now 95% video based. It'll be 10 years in 2017 and in that time, as an independently owned outlet, I've seen FBGP's work on ESPN, NFLN and other major outlets -- with and without credit. I've been guests on over 100 national radio shows. Had the pleasure of connecting with AGS and meeting fans and people because of the work we do here for the FCS. Credentialed at over 200 games and events. Color-Commentated college football and high school games. Written 3 football books which feature CFB and NFL coaches and players. Having 5 separate NFL teams email you personally thanking you for a preview, report on a draft pick. Have 3 separate NFL teams come up to you at the Senior Bowl telling you that they watch your stuff and other teams know who you are. Recognized by both the CFL and CIS for the work we've done covering their game. To me, that's pretty damn good for someone who's a wannabe YouTuber/Scout/Analyst/Podcaster/Co-Host.. It says a lot.

I've also had probably a dozen opportunities to join a 'bigger' outlet and network but always at some point during the meeting/interview they'll say that "You have to cease what you're doing with your own site". That doesn't jive with me b/c then I lose control over my words. So, I'll take the scenic route to what my ultimate personal goal is and what/where I want Football Gameplan to be. Ownership is EVERYTHING to me.

The issue is that fans, which is short for fanatics, have a tough time separating emotion. Anything I say from an analyst perspective is emotionless...I have no emotional attachment to analysis. Whether I'm right or wrong, it's strictly what I believe based off the information.

As for Wentz.. Based off what I've seen and studied. He's not a Top 10 or 1st Round talent. I don't care what Mayock, Kiper, McShay, have to say. To be completely honest, a lot of these guys are getting paid by agents to 'prop' up their player... it's why guys like Mayock, Casserly, Lombardi, Billick were going above and beyond to criticize Cam Newton in comparison to Blaine Gabbert. They all had the same agent. Also, McShay is also on record saying that RG3 was a Safety prospect after his Soph season. None of these analysts graded Russell Wilson as a 1st Round prospect. Only one place did and that was FBGP. So, whether we're right or wrong, you're getting an honest take coming from me.

For the record, yes the clips used in the scouting report is from 2014. The grading is NOT from 2014. I have access to 2015 film, but over the summer and during the season, I was busy on the road and doing color work more than ever this year and didn't have time to cut-up and organize clips like I did w/last season film. So, while I'm using 2014 clips in the report, my analysis is actually from 2013-2015. I've watched 3 '15 games on Wentz: Montana, Jax State and Northern Iowa.

I find it funny that no one was saying anything when I graded both Kyle Emanuel and Marcus Williams as 2nd Round prospects and constantly bringing these guys names up on every radio show I was on. Jets fans came after me for saying Williams would make the team AND have an impact as an UDFA.

And nowhere in the video of Wentz did I say he was terrible or wouldn't succeed. I'd just prefer 11 QBs before I'd take Wentz. And in order for him to have similar success in the NFL, a team will have to 'minimize' his attempts. Which will be tough for a team to do b/c of a coach's ego. 20-24 attempts/game is the ideal number. This is why Ryan Tannehill isn't having 'success', the Dolphins are trying to make him Dan Marino instead of allowing him to be Ryan Tannehill. Notice what happened to the Cowboys when they minimized Romo's attempts in 2014...he had his BEST season.

It's all opinion and the good part is that at the end of the day, wherever Wentz goes, he'll have to prove it out on the field.

Also, if I'm wrong, I have no problem admitting it. I've done it publicly with Dontari Poe. I don't delete tweets or videos. It's all there.

Respect given is respect earned.

[smallcollegefbfan]

There's no sense in replying because it won't matter. If people came at me with "hey, I disagree with you because of X,Y,Z", then I have no problem responding with "Well..here's why I feel this way about A,B,C,"

But when you come at me w/"You suck", "You're rankings are Racist" (which is extremely ironic) and "Wannabe Scout Youtuber"... You get the same response in return. I just find these comments amazing coming from probably some of the people that met me in person. Which is sad.

At the end of the day, I'm a man first that doesn't hide behind any statement, comment, video I make...because it's coming from a well-researched place. Inspect what you expect.

I don't mind the attacks on my credibility but I do find it funny. I started FBGP in 2007 from a print website to now 95% video based. It'll be 10 years in 2017 and in that time, as an independently owned outlet, I've seen FBGP's work on ESPN, NFLN and other major outlets -- with and without credit. I've been guests on over 100 national radio shows. Had the pleasure of connecting with AGS and meeting fans and people because of the work we do here for the FCS. Credentialed at over 200 games and events. Color-Commentated college football and high school games. Written 3 football books which feature CFB and NFL coaches and players. Having 5 separate NFL teams email you personally thanking you for a preview, report on a draft pick. Have 3 separate NFL teams come up to you at the Senior Bowl telling you that they watch your stuff and other teams know who you are. Recognized by both the CFL and CIS for the work we've done covering their game. To me, that's pretty damn good for someone who's a wannabe YouTuber/Scout/Analyst/Podcaster/Co-Host.. It says a lot.

I've also had probably a dozen opportunities to join a 'bigger' outlet and network but always at some point during the meeting/interview they'll say that "You have to cease what you're doing with your own site". That doesn't jive with me b/c then I lose control over my words. So, I'll take the scenic route to what my ultimate personal goal is and what/where I want Football Gameplan to be.

The issue is that fans, which is short for fanatics, have a tough time separating emotion. Anything I say from an analyst perspective is emotionless...I have no emotional attachment to analysis. Whether I'm right or wrong, it's strictly what I believe based off the information.

As for Wentz.. Based off what I've seen and studied. He's not a Top 10 or 1st Round talent. I don't care what Mayock, Kiper, McShay, have to say. To be completely honest, a lot of these guys are getting paid by agents to 'prop' up their player... it's why guys like Mayock, Casserly, Lombardi, Billick were going above and beyond to criticize Cam Newton in comparison to Blaine Gabbert. They all had the same agent. Also, McShay is also on record saying that RG3 was a Safety prospect after his Soph season. None of these analysts graded Russell Wilson as a 1st Round prospect. Only one place did and that was FBGP. So, whether we're right or wrong, you're getting an honest take coming from me.

For the record, yes the clips used in the scouting report is from 2014. The grading is NOT from 2014. I have access to 2015 film, but over the summer and during the season, I was busy on the road and doing color work more than ever this year and didn't have time to cut-up and organize clips like I did w/last season film. So, while I'm using 2014 clips in the report, my analysis is actually from 2013-2015. I've watched 3 '15 games on Wentz: Montana, Jax State and Northern Iowa.

I find it funny that no one was saying anything when I graded both Kyle Emanuel and Marcus Williams as 2nd Round prospects and constantly bringing these guys names up on every radio show I was on. Jets fans came after me for saying Williams would make the team AND have an impact as an UDFA.

And nowhere in the video of Wentz did I say he was terrible or wouldn't succeed. I'd just prefer 11 QBs before I'd take Wentz. And in order for him to have similar success in the NFL, a team will have to 'minimize' his attempts. Which will be tough for a team to do b/c of a coach's ego. 20-24 attempts/game is the ideal number. This is why Ryan Tannehill isn't having 'success', the Dolphins are trying to make him Dan Marino instead of allowing him to be Ryan Tannehill. Notice what happened to the Cowboys when they minimized Romo's attempts in 2014...he had his BEST season.

It's all opinion and the good part is that at the end of the day, wherever Wentz goes, he'll have to prove it out on the field.

Also, if I'm wrong, I have no problem admitting it. I've done it publicly with Dontari Poe. I don't delete tweets or videos. It's all there.

Respect given is respect earned.

Em,

A few things.

1. I do agree that I would not personally take Wentz in the 1st round, simply because I think he needs some time to develop a few things, but I would jump all over him in the 2nd or 3rd round. His intangibles are off the chart, he is smart, has a good arm, big, athletic, can run well, and flashes the ability to drop the ball into tight windows. He just needs to clean some things up with his feet, get use to the speed of the NFL, and be a little more accurate. I think it is fair to even pick him apart and say you would not take him until the 3rd or 4th round but it is hard to pass on a QB with those physical tools past the 4th round.

Back when Vince Young and Robert Griffin III came out I kept telling people around the league and anyone who would listen that both would be a huge bust. I had 3rd-4th round grades on them but I was ready to explain why and it was mostly because of mental issues with Young and with Griffin I just didn't see a player with his style stay healthy and that ended up being the undoing of both.

With Wentz you have not mentioned what exactly will make him a bust. I know you mentioned needing to be more accurate but that can be improved upon. What else makes him a bust in your mind?

2. You need to show proof of what you said about those guys taking money from agents to rank certain guys high like that. Without proof they could sue you for libel. If anyone ever accused me of taking money to rank certain players high, I would sue the heck out of them because I know I would never do that. I'm not saying you are right or wrong but that you need proof if you are going to get on the internet and write statements about people like that.

3. Part of the reason people are attacking you is that they even thought you would completely avoid answering the questions from the one person who said he genuinely wants an answer but you did not answer them. Thus, you did exactly what is part of the reason they heckle you.

4. I know someone from every NFL team and I have known many of them for almost 15 years. They typically only use the internet to look for facts and they don't sway their opinions based on anyone internet scouts. Are you saying they look at your videos for entertainment or you think your opinion sways them in certain directions?

5. Several years ago a few posters on here would completely disagree with me and make me seem crazy but if you notice that does not really happen anymore. People seem to respect my opinion because when I did attack back I came with actual analysis and facts, and was right 90% of the time. People on here never once questioned me when I said Hodges will not go anywhere near as high as the draftniks all said. Hodges was awful on the field and had issues. I gave him a low free agent grade but I have built up street cred that people would not bash me on it.

Folks give me the benefit of the doubt because they consider that my record on projecting and ranking players has been good over the long haul. They are also bashing you because they say you have missed 100 players and hit on Russell Wilson and you seem to pound your chest over it.

You aren't the only one who loved Russell Wilson. I can tell you that every single scout I talked to about him said the only reason he won't go in the 1st round is his height and some of them even had late 1st to early 2nd round grades on him. Maybe the media did not like him but NFL teams certainly did.

If I were you I would at least answer a few of those questions as to what is better about Dalyn Williams. I agree Dalyn had a much better college career and I think he could be an elite secondary league prospect. If he is as good as you feel he is, then he will make it because I have talked to enough people in the league that he should get a shot unless he tanks his pro day.

[BisonFan02]

Wow....well, lets break this down a bit. My comments in bold.


There's no sense in replying because it won't matter. If people came at me with "hey, I disagree with you because of X,Y,Z", then I have no problem responding with "Well..here's why I feel this way about A,B,C,"

But when you come at me w/"You suck", "You're rankings are Racist" (which is extremely ironic) and "Wannabe Scout Youtuber"... You get the same response in return. I just find these comments amazing coming from probably some of the people that met me in person. Which is sad.

Do teams pay you to scout prospects or do you put together your materials via youtube (and twitter promotion)? Truth hurts, but it is what it is. Met you in person? Correct....for a few minutes in the tailgating lot. You must have had more important things to do the night before that your counterpart didn't right? xlolx For the record (and I even said it to ursus in a warning about my incoming rant), I don't think your rankings are racist. I think there may be a preference/internal bias that may influence how you rank/view prospects, but there isn't a person out there that doesn't have some sort of differing vantage point where they are coming from. I just want to understand better is the point.

At the end of the day, I'm a man first that doesn't hide behind any statement, comment, video I make...because it's coming from a well-researched place. Inspect what you expect.

I'm not doubting that your materials don't come with some sort of "research", but every single person is going to have a different perspective based on their preferences/likes/dislikes. I tend to like power football so to speak and solid defense. I may overvalue a player based on that type of system versus another....but not THIS much.

I don't mind the attacks on my credibility but I do find it funny. I started FBGP in 2007 from a print website to now 95% video based. It'll be 10 years in 2017 and in that time, as an independently owned outlet, I've seen FBGP's work on ESPN, NFLN and other major outlets -- with and without credit. I've been guests on over 100 national radio shows. Had the pleasure of connecting with AGS and meeting fans and people because of the work we do here for the FCS. Credentialed at over 200 games and events. Color-Commentated college football and high school games. Written 3 football books which feature CFB and NFL coaches and players. Having 5 separate NFL teams email you personally thanking you for a preview, report on a draft pick. Have 3 separate NFL teams come up to you at the Senior Bowl telling you that they watch your stuff and other teams know who you are. Recognized by both the CFL and CIS for the work we've done covering their game. To me, that's pretty damn good for someone who's a wannabe YouTuber/Scout/Analyst/Podcaster/Co-Host.. It says a lot.

You clearly do mind the attacks, and you are giving plenty of ammunition for them (along with retaliations).

I've also had probably a dozen opportunities to join a 'bigger' outlet and network but always at some point during the meeting/interview they'll say that "You have to cease what you're doing with your own site". That doesn't jive with me b/c then I lose control over my words. So, I'll take the scenic route to what my ultimate personal goal is and what/where I want Football Gameplan to be. Ownership is EVERYTHING to me.

Good for you...hope it works out for you. If I was a bigger outlet, I wouldn't want you making your own materials like this either.

The issue is that fans, which is short for fanatics, have a tough time separating emotion. Anything I say from an analyst perspective is emotionless...I have no emotional attachment to analysis. Whether I'm right or wrong, it's strictly what I believe based off the information.

People are an emotional lot... xlolx Emotion is giving you **** for picking Robert Morris against NDSU in 2010, or picking Jacksonville State this year. It got past emotion when I noticed a connection via twitter to a pretty militant twitter account.

As for Wentz.. Based off what I've seen and studied. He's not a Top 10 or 1st Round talent. I don't care what Mayock, Kiper, McShay, have to say. To be completely honest, a lot of these guys are getting paid by agents to 'prop' up their player... it's why guys like Mayock, Casserly, Lombardi, Billick were going above and beyond to criticize Cam Newton in comparison to Blaine Gabbert. They all had the same agent. Also, McShay is also on record saying that RG3 was a Safety prospect after his Soph season. None of these analysts graded Russell Wilson as a 1st Round prospect. Only one place did and that was FBGP. So, whether we're right or wrong, you're getting an honest take coming from me.

Wow.....that is a BOLD accusation. I wonder if SmallCollegeFBFan knows he should be banking on his opinion too?

For the record, yes the clips used in the scouting report is from 2014. The grading is NOT from 2014. I have access to 2015 film, but over the summer and during the season, I was busy on the road and doing color work more than ever this year and didn't have time to cut-up and organize clips like I did w/last season film. So, while I'm using 2014 clips in the report, my analysis is actually from 2013-2015. I've watched 3 '15 games on Wentz: Montana, Jax State and Northern Iowa.

I find it funny that no one was saying anything when I graded both Kyle Emanuel and Marcus Williams as 2nd Round prospects and constantly bringing these guys names up on every radio show I was on. Jets fans came after me for saying Williams would make the team AND have an impact as an UDFA.

....and you would be wrong about Emanuel and Williams. Keep an eye on the Jets if they don't make a move outside of Williams to replace Cro.

And nowhere in the video of Wentz did I say he was terrible or wouldn't succeed. I'd just prefer 11 QBs before I'd take Wentz. And in order for him to have similar success in the NFL, a team will have to 'minimize' his attempts. Which will be tough for a team to do b/c of a coach's ego. 20-24 attempts/game is the ideal number. This is why Ryan Tannehill isn't having 'success', the Dolphins are trying to make him Dan Marino instead of allowing him to be Ryan Tannehill. Notice what happened to the Cowboys when they minimized Romo's attempts in 2014...he had his BEST season.

It's all opinion and the good part is that at the end of the day, wherever Wentz goes, he'll have to prove it out on the field.

Also, if I'm wrong, I have no problem admitting it. I've done it publicly with Dontari Poe. I don't delete tweets or videos. It's all there.

Respect given is respect earned.

The rest is fluff to me. Dontari Poe? How about Tim Tebow? I'm not going to dig through all of your materials to find more... You constantly give Wilson as some sort of "told ya so", but I can think of alot of people that were high on him outside of questions involving his height.

Respect given is respect earned?......no ****. Earn it.

One more shot....

1) AwfulWhiteQBs is a twitter account that is very outspoken about the topic of NFL franchises having a bias against African American QBs. Do you agree with the opinion of said account?

2) Do you believe the national media and scouts perpetuate the bias through their coverage of NFL prospects during the process? Or do you believe they just have differing opinions based on their own study/experience?

3) With your top 12 QB rankings, do you believe some of your top candidates were passed on for events like the Senior Bowl and the NFL combine because of these biases?

4) If you've answered yes to the key points of the first 3 questions, do you believe your rankings have been influenced by your own agenda and is there a motive to give these QBs visibility and the topic of African American QBs in the NFL more discussion?

I don't think these are overly difficult questions. If the answers are "No"s, I can't explain why you even bother to follow that twitter account, and I can't explain how different your QB rankings are....film study or not..."paid off" or not.

[Professor Chaos]

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[FootballCEO]

Em,

A few things.

1. I do agree that I would not personally take Wentz in the 1st round, simply because I think he needs some time to develop a few things, but I would jump all over him in the 2nd or 3rd round. His intangibles are off the chart, he is smart, has a good arm, big, athletic, can run well, and flashes the ability to drop the ball into tight windows. He just needs to clean some things up with his feet, get use to the speed of the NFL, and be a little more accurate. I think it is fair to even pick him apart and say you would not take him until the 3rd or 4th round but it is hard to pass on a QB with those physical tools past the 4th round.

Back when Vince Young and Robert Griffin III came out I kept telling people around the league and anyone who would listen that both would be a huge bust. I had 3rd-4th round grades on them but I was ready to explain why and it was mostly because of mental issues with Young and with Griffin I just didn't see a player with his style stay healthy and that ended up being the undoing of both.

With Wentz you have not mentioned what exactly will make him a bust. I know you mentioned needing to be more accurate but that can be improved upon. What else makes him a bust in your mind?

2. You need to show proof of what you said about those guys taking money from agents to rank certain guys high like that. Without proof they could sue you for libel. If anyone ever accused me of taking money to rank certain players high, I would sue the heck out of them because I know I would never do that. I'm not saying you are right or wrong but that you need proof if you are going to get on the internet and write statements about people like that.

3. Part of the reason people are attacking you is that they even thought you would completely avoid answering the questions from the one person who said he genuinely wants an answer but you did not answer them. Thus, you did exactly what is part of the reason they heckle you.

4. I know someone from every NFL team and I have known many of them for almost 15 years. They typically only use the internet to look for facts and they don't sway their opinions based on anyone internet scouts. Are you saying they look at your videos for entertainment or you think your opinion sways them in certain directions?

5. Several years ago a few posters on here would completely disagree with me and make me seem crazy but if you notice that does not really happen anymore. People seem to respect my opinion because when I did attack back I came with actual analysis and facts, and was right 90% of the time. People on here never once questioned me when I said Hodges will not go anywhere near as high as the draftniks all said. Hodges was awful on the field and had issues. I gave him a low free agent grade but I have built up street cred that people would not bash me on it.

Folks give me the benefit of the doubt because they consider that my record on projecting and ranking players has been good over the long haul. They are also bashing you because they say you have missed 100 players and hit on Russell Wilson and you seem to pound your chest over it.

You aren't the only one who loved Russell Wilson. I can tell you that every single scout I talked to about him said the only reason he won't go in the 1st round is his height and some of them even had late 1st to early 2nd round grades on him. Maybe the media did not like him but NFL teams certainly did.

If I were you I would at least answer a few of those questions as to what is better about Dalyn Williams. I agree Dalyn had a much better college career and I think he could be an elite secondary league prospect. If he is as good as you feel he is, then he will make it because I have talked to enough people in the league that he should get a shot unless he tanks his pro day.

You're right. Keep doing great work

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

You're right. Keep doing great work


You didn't even answer one of this questions....xcoffeex

Great, you made a great guess on Russell Wilson, good for you.

Pretty generic statement on "limited touches".....heck, any QB will have better production if they have a good running game to take the pressure off.

[BisonBacker]

There's no sense in replying because it won't matter. If people came at me with "hey, I disagree with you because of X,Y,Z", then I have no problem responding with "Well..here's why I feel this way about A,B,C,"

But when you come at me w/"You suck", "You're rankings are Racist" (which is extremely ironic) and "Wannabe Scout Youtuber"... You get the same response in return. I just find these comments amazing coming from probably some of the people that met me in person. Which is sad.

At the end of the day, I'm a man first that doesn't hide behind any statement, comment, video I make...because it's coming from a well-researched place. Inspect what you expect.

I don't mind the attacks on my credibility but I do find it funny. I started FBGP in 2007 from a print website to now 95% video based. It'll be 10 years in 2017 and in that time, as an independently owned outlet, I've seen FBGP's work on ESPN, NFLN and other major outlets -- with and without credit. I've been guests on over 100 national radio shows. Had the pleasure of connecting with AGS and meeting fans and people because of the work we do here for the FCS. Credentialed at over 200 games and events. Color-Commentated college football and high school games. Written 3 football books which feature CFB and NFL coaches and players. Having 5 separate NFL teams email you personally thanking you for a preview, report on a draft pick. Have 3 separate NFL teams come up to you at the Senior Bowl telling you that they watch your stuff and other teams know who you are. Recognized by both the CFL and CIS for the work we've done covering their game. To me, that's pretty damn good for someone who's a wannabe YouTuber/Scout/Analyst/Podcaster/Co-Host.. It says a lot.

I've also had probably a dozen opportunities to join a 'bigger' outlet and network but always at some point during the meeting/interview they'll say that "You have to cease what you're doing with your own site". That doesn't jive with me b/c then I lose control over my words. So, I'll take the scenic route to what my ultimate personal goal is and what/where I want Football Gameplan to be. Ownership is EVERYTHING to me.

The issue is that fans, which is short for fanatics, have a tough time separating emotion. Anything I say from an analyst perspective is emotionless...I have no emotional attachment to analysis. Whether I'm right or wrong, it's strictly what I believe based off the information.

As for Wentz.. Based off what I've seen and studied. He's not a Top 10 or 1st Round talent. I don't care what Mayock, Kiper, McShay, have to say. To be completely honest, a lot of these guys are getting paid by agents to 'prop' up their player... it's why guys like Mayock, Casserly, Lombardi, Billick were going above and beyond to criticize Cam Newton in comparison to Blaine Gabbert. They all had the same agent. Also, McShay is also on record saying that RG3 was a Safety prospect after his Soph season. None of these analysts graded Russell Wilson as a 1st Round prospect. Only one place did and that was FBGP. So, whether we're right or wrong, you're getting an honest take coming from me.

For the record, yes the clips used in the scouting report is from 2014. The grading is NOT from 2014. I have access to 2015 film, but over the summer and during the season, I was busy on the road and doing color work more than ever this year and didn't have time to cut-up and organize clips like I did w/last season film. So, while I'm using 2014 clips in the report, my analysis is actually from 2013-2015. I've watched 3 '15 games on Wentz: Montana, Jax State and Northern Iowa.

I find it funny that no one was saying anything when I graded both Kyle Emanuel and Marcus Williams as 2nd Round prospects and constantly bringing these guys names up on every radio show I was on. Jets fans came after me for saying Williams would make the team AND have an impact as an UDFA.

And nowhere in the video of Wentz did I say he was terrible or wouldn't succeed. I'd just prefer 11 QBs before I'd take Wentz. And in order for him to have similar success in the NFL, a team will have to 'minimize' his attempts. Which will be tough for a team to do b/c of a coach's ego. 20-24 attempts/game is the ideal number. This is why Ryan Tannehill isn't having 'success', the Dolphins are trying to make him Dan Marino instead of allowing him to be Ryan Tannehill. Notice what happened to the Cowboys when they minimized Romo's attempts in 2014...he had his BEST season.

It's all opinion and the good part is that at the end of the day, wherever Wentz goes, he'll have to prove it out on the field.

Also, if I'm wrong, I have no problem admitting it. I've done it publicly with Dontari Poe. I don't delete tweets or videos. It's all there.

Respect given is respect earned.

As to the comment highlighted in red. You must be one hell of a busy guy then because with the amount of "stuff" (putting it nicely) you put out you must have to do that a lot.

As to the highlighted in Blue comment you say well educated? Well researched? When you throw enough crap at a wall something is going to stick. Doesn't make you an expert other than an expert at throwing crap at a wall. Case in point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g09zs1j72qk

#10 Kappernick (ironic the last guy on his list is the best player)
#9 Trevor Vittatoe (undrafted free agent, no longer in NFL)
#8 Zak Robinson - Oklahoma State 7th round pick, no longer in NFL
#7 Darryl Clark Penn State, was never offered an NFL contract. Played in Canada
#6 Dan LeFevour - 6th round pick, never made active roster, was 3rd string QB in Canada (heck the Bison beat him 44-17)
#5 Todd Reesing - never offered NFL contract, tried out for Canada but was cut. (dudes 5-11 and he actually thought he could be an NFL QB?)
#4 Jevan Snead - undrafted never played on an NFL team, tried out for an AFL team and was cut
#3 Sam Bradford **finally somone on the list who is still in the NFL!**
#2 Colt McCoy - 3rd round pick - mediocre backup
#1 Tim Tebow

The above comments on your picks are from another Bison Fan but are correct. I guess these picks from 2010 are from a well researched place also xlolx

Lastly being a fan of a racist Twitter account show's you have poor judgement. Just like your well researched picks are.

[344Johnson]

As to the comment highlighted in red. You must be one hell of a busy guy then because with the amount of "stuff" (putting it nicely) you put out you must have to do that a lot.

As to the highlighted in Blue comment you say well educated? Well researched? When you throw enough crap at a wall something is going to stick. Doesn't make you an expert other than an expert at throwing crap at a wall. Case in point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g09zs1j72qk

#10 Kappernick (ironic the last guy on his list is the best player)
#9 Trevor Vittatoe (undrafted free agent, no longer in NFL)
#8 Zak Robinson - Oklahoma State 7th round pick, no longer in NFL
#7 Darryl Clark Penn State, was never offered an NFL contract. Played in Canada
#6 Dan LeFevour - 6th round pick, never made active roster, was 3rd string QB in Canada (heck the Bison beat him 44-17)
#5 Todd Reesing - never offered NFL contract, tried out for Canada but was cut. (dudes 5-11 and he actually thought he could be an NFL QB?)
#4 Jevan Snead - undrafted never played on an NFL team, tried out for an AFL team and was cut
#3 Sam Bradford **finally somone on the list who is still in the NFL!**
#2 Colt McCoy - 3rd round pick - mediocre backup
#1 Tim Tebow

The above comments on your picks are from another Bison Fan but are correct. I guess these picks from 2010 are from a well researched place also xlolx

Lastly being a fan of a racist Twitter account show's you have poor judgement. Just like your well researched picks are.


Not to nitpick, but is the account racist or prejudiced? Two VERY different things.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Not to nitpick, but is the account racist or prejudiced? Two VERY different things.


Go look for yourself. Not too hard to figure out.

[BisonFan02]

You didn't even answer one of this questions....xcoffeex

Great, you made a great guess on Russell Wilson, good for you.

Pretty generic statement on "limited touches".....heck, any QB will have better production if they have a good running game to take the pressure off.

He did partially answer part two of question two in my post. He just thinks opinions of guys like Mayock, McShay, and Kiper are bought/paid for. "Allegedly"

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

He did partially answer part two of question two in my post. He just thinks opinions of guys like Mayock, McShay, and Kiper are bought/paid for. "Allegedly"


Those guys do that for a living but don't they have a pretty good track record of calling the picks in the draft?

I thought somewhere I read that Kiper/McShay get something like over 90%....could be higher....of the picks right. Not placing but the individuals in the draft?

[smallcollegefbfan]

Those guys do that for a living but don't they have a pretty good track record of calling the picks in the draft?

I thought somewhere I read that Kiper/McShay get something like over 90%....could be higher....of the picks right. Not placing but the individuals in the draft?

I don't think they hit 90%. Usually they get about 75-83 of the players in the top 100 right. The best I have really seen anyone do at projecting who all will be a top 100 pick is around 84%.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/top100.shtml

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

One thing else BF02.

Everyone can have an opinion of this, that is great. But defend your expert "opinion" is all people are saying. Em doesn't think CW is 1st round talent and is his #12 ranked QB. Fine. But explain why you see what you see when everyone of the "experts" say the total opposite about him.

He is getting "heat" because there are a lot of Bison fans on here and we are probably the most vocal bunch of fans on here....good, bad or indifferent.

His arguments pertaining to CW are pretty weak because as he admits himself, he only has looked at a few games in '15.

In the end, it is no big deal I guess but come up with a better defense on your grade of CW compared to every other draft expert out there. I think those are valid questions for Em...don't you think?

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I don't think they hit 90%. Usually they get about 75-83 of the players in the top 100 right. The best I have really seen anyone do at projecting who all will be a top 100 pick is around 84%.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/top100.shtml


OK, thanks for posting that.

[BisonFan02]

Those guys do that for a living but don't they have a pretty good track record of calling the picks in the draft?

I thought somewhere I read that Kiper/McShay get something like over 90%....could be higher....of the picks right. Not placing but the individuals in the draft?

I have no idea. I know every single guy out there is going to whiff on some prospects in every draft. Some of it has to do with the player eval...and some of it *cough* Browns *cough* has to do with the destination.

EDIT: I see that you were going for the literal "pick em" that goes in a top 100 versus success in the league....my bad xthumbsupx

[clenz]

One thing else BF02.

Everyone can have an opinion of this, that is great. But defend your expert "opinion" is all people are saying. Em doesn't think CW is 1st round talent and is his #12 ranked QB. Fine. But explain why you see what you see when everyone of the "experts" say the total opposite about him.

He is getting "heat" because there are a lot of Bison fans on here and we are probably the most vocal bunch of fans on here....good, bad or indifferent.

His arguments pertaining to CW are pretty weak because as he admits himself, he only has looked at a few games in '15.

In the end, it is no big deal I guess but come up with a better defense on your grade of CW compared to every other draft expert out there. I think those are valid questions for Em...don't you think?

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OK, thanks for posting that.
I think most here, and you and I have talked about this, agree that they'd be much more comfortable getting Wentz after pick 23-25ish because of pressure there vs top 10-15, salary demands there vs top 10-15, and he's a better value at that pick than top 10-15.

However, the reality is in the current set up of the NFL a QB with the measurable attributes of Wentz is almost always going to go *higher than they "should"* based on the pressure to have a high end QB.

In the right situation for Wentz he will have a great career. The landing spot is key for the future of a player, especially QB.

Flacco had tremendous tools, but landed in a great spot that knew how to use him and had a tremendous defense to support him..

Wilson, Emory's claim to fame, as has been pointed out was very highly thought of (Regardless what the media said) has been as successful as he has been because Seattle had a perfect situation for him to slide into. Up until the last half of last season he was the definition of game manager for that franchise. He lands in Cleveland and he has zero success.

Plenty of QBs have landed in Cleveland that had the tools to be a good NFL qb, but were never put in a situation to succeed and that ruined their careers from the start.

[BisonFan02]

I think most here, and you and I have talked about this, agree that they'd be much more comfortable getting Wentz after pick 23-25ish because of pressure there vs top 10-15, salary demands there vs top 10-15, and he's a better value at that pick than top 10-15.

However, the reality is in the current set up of the NFL a QB with the measurable attributes of Wentz is almost always going to go *higher than they "should"* based on the pressure to have a high end QB.

In the right situation for Wentz he will have a great career. The landing spot is key for the future of a player, especially QB.

Flacco had tremendous tools, but landed in a great spot that knew how to use him and had a tremendous defense to support him..

Wilson, Emory's claim to fame, as has been pointed out was very highly thought of (Regardless what the media said) has been as successful as he has been because Seattle had a perfect situation for him to slide into. Up until the last half of last season he was the definition of game manager for that franchise. He lands in Cleveland and he has zero success.

Plenty of QBs have landed in Cleveland that had the tools to be a good NFL qb, but were never put in a situation to succeed and that ruined their careers from the start.

Won't get any argument from me here....

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Fair points clenz!

[BisonFan02]

Well....got my combine answer via a tweet 4 hours ago. Real hot click bait errrrrrrrrr take there Em.


Emory Hunt‏@FBallGameplan (https://twitter.com/FBallGameplan)

Who won the #combine (https://twitter.com/hashtag/combine?src=hash)? We tell you here -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkhnnSdyBBM … (https://t.co/M4Xkv4PATQ)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkhnnSdyBBM


@AwfulWhiteQBs is going to retweet the **** out of that. xlolx

[BisonFan02]

To be fair to the above....Moxon is probably an extremely overrated movie QB. xlolx

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

Well that was an underwhelming response. Was hoping to get an insight into traits, tools, and or skills that the "czar" values and why he may not be as worried about guys who haven't been under center transitioning to classic 3 and 5 step drops. If a poster responded to getting called out by saying something like, "I'd totally respond but it would only lead to more conversation." He or she would, more than likely, be ruthlessly destroyed. IMO

[BisonFan02]

Well that was an underwhelming response. Was hoping to get an insight into traits, tools, and or skills that the "czar" values and why he may not be as worried about guys who haven't been under center transitioning to classic 3 and 5 step drops. If a poster responded to getting called out by saying something like, "I'd totally respond but it would only lead to more conversation." He or she would, more than likely, be ruthlessly destroyed. IMO

I gotta give him credit. He's got some balls on him to basically "double down" on this topic...definitely spent time on putting that together...there is absolutely something there about the topic of QB evaluation and "victimhood" he shares with a certain twitter account.

Keep in mind...this was put together as a commercial for his style of coverage. He has a target audience for this stuff...and he's playing towards it. Tommy "Nabisco"? Really? xlolx

[ming01]

Sorry man, but its pretty clear he is biased towards black players. I follow College Football pretty extensively and had never heard of Dalyn Williams until I saw him on his list. Could he come out of nowhere? Of course. But to have him at #2? Really? Some of these guys will plan out and some wont. The little I saw of Boykin in the Sr Bowl he was realky uncomfortable under center. Vernon Adams deserves to get drafted, but he relies on scrambling and broken plays. Dont think his game will translate.

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

I gotta give him credit. He's got some balls on him to basically "double down" on this topic...definitely spent time on putting that together...there is absolutely something there about the topic of QB evaluation and "victimhood" he shares with a certain twitter account.

Keep in mind...this was put together as a commercial for his style of coverage. He has a target audience for this stuff...and he's playing towards it. Tommy "Nabisco"? Really? xlolx

I'm just going to choose to come at this strictly from a football perspective. As has been seen inflaming personal opinions about perceived bias' hasn't helped open any real discourse on the subject. I'm sticking to the list he made of top 12 guys. I don't see it on a lot of them. He does. So I'm curious if he values different traits more than other "experts". Oh and why not stick to this as it's march 1st. What else are we gonna do???:D

[BisonFan02]

I'm just going to choose to come at this strictly from a football perspective. As has been seen inflaming personal opinions about perceived bias' hasn't helped open any real discourse on the subject. I'm sticking to the list he made of top 12 guys. I don't see it on a lot of them. He does. So I'm curious if he values different traits more than other "experts". Oh and why not stick to this as it's march 1st. What else are we gonna do???:D

xlolx naw....this thread has ran its course at this point. I'm ****ing done with him.

[Bisonator]

Anyone who follows #awfulwhiteqbs and posts the stuff he does is obviously no one I would be interested in even having a discussion with about anything much less his football "analysis".

[smallcollegefbfan]

Well....got my combine answer via a tweet 4 hours ago. Real hot click bait errrrrrrrrr take there Em.


Emory Hunt‏@FBallGameplan (https://twitter.com/FBallGameplan)

Who won the #combine (https://twitter.com/hashtag/combine?src=hash)? We tell you here -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkhnnSdyBBM … (https://t.co/M4Xkv4PATQ)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkhnnSdyBBM


@AwfulWhiteQBs is going to retweet the **** out of that. xlolx




I think this was bait from him to see if you guys would click and talk smack. I'm not sure a Biloxie A&M exists? Never heard of it.

On the strengths he put "means well". I'm not sure how that couldn't be a joke. Has grit and is the son of a father with grit. Not sure how that matters about his father and is clearly a joke as well.

Emory is clearly teasing with that video. Nobody could get paid or make any money off a video like that. That is clearly a practical joke.

You guys just need to stop paying attention and giving his videos clicks. It is apparent that none of you value his opinion and now he is just messing with you all. It is also clear that the more you click and give it attention he gets what he wants from you -- clicks.

[BisonFan02]

I think this was bait from him to see if you guys would click and talk smack. I'm not sure a Biloxie A&M exists? Never heard of it.

On the strengths he put "means well". I'm not sure how that couldn't be a joke. Has grit and is the son of a father with grit. Not sure how that matters about his father and is clearly a joke as well.

Emory is clearly teasing with that video. Nobody could get paid or make any money off a video like that. That is clearly a practical joke.

You guys just need to stop paying attention and giving his videos clicks. It is apparent that none of you value his opinion and now he is just messing with you all. It is also clear that the more you click and give it attention he gets what he wants from you -- clicks.

Noted, and with my previous post, I'm done with it. There isn't going to be real answers to my initial questions...outside of whatever point he was trying to get across with his video slamming the QB combine evaluation process and essentially making up a player named "Tommy Cracker". I have his account on ignore here and, as far as I'm concerned, it's over with. Its really too bad.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Noted, and with my previous post, I'm done with it. There isn't going to be real answers to my initial questions...outside of whatever point he was trying to get across with his video slamming the QB combine evaluation process and essentially making up a player named "Tommy Cracker". I have his account on ignore here and, as far as I'm concerned, it's over with. Its really too bad.

What boggles my mind is that any professional in this business would take time to make something like that. You would think that time could be used to watch more film on Wentz or someone he has not seen yet? Very disappointed in that because several people I know like Emory and he seems like a nice guy but that is just bad and a poor use of time.

[clenz]

What boggles my mind is that any professional in this business would take time to make something like that. You would think that time could be used to watch more film on Wentz or someone he has not seen yet? Very disappointed in that because several people I know like Emory and he seems like a nice guy but that is just bad and a poor use of time.
He's seen three games of Carson....and one of them he suffered a pretty bad high ankle sprain in and was about 60% for half of the game.

That's clearly enough tape.

To you point that a "professional" would stoop to doing something that low, you're spot on. Random schmuck using a picture of Pvt. Gomer Pyle from Full Metal Jacket as his avatar and named his account after him? Clearly understandable....A professional? Certainly notxlolxxlolxxlolx

Inside joke. Those of you that follow a certain AGS poster on Twitter will get that one.....****edit**** Damn, I changed my avatar. Would have been a killer joke had I left it as Pvt Pyle

[BisonFan02]

He's seen three games of Carson....and one of them he suffered a pretty bad high ankle sprain in and was about 60% for half of the game.

That's clearly enough tape.

To you point that a "professional" would stoop to doing something that low, you're spot on. Random schmuck using a picture of Pvt. Gomer Pyle from Full Metal Jacket as his avatar and named his account after him? Clearly understandable....A professional? Certainly notxlolxxlolxxlolx

Inside joke. Those of you that follow a certain AGS poster on Twitter will get that one.....****edit**** Damn, I changed my avatar. Would have been a killer joke had I left it as Pvt Pyle

I really need to update my twitter profile if I'm going to keep using it.... xlolx

[clenz]

I really need to update my twitter profile if I'm going to keep using it.... xlolx
I get **** because I change my avatar and name too often. People apparently don't look at the twitter handle of who is posting, only the avatar.

I changed it twice last night. I'll probably change it at least once more this week. I get bored with it need to start attempting to hide who I am because of what I'm going to be starting grad school for. Don't need clients putting my twitter thoughts to my name - especially since my bio on twitter for the longest time was "If my tweets offend you, stop being so damn uptight."....

[BisonFan02]

I get **** because I change my avatar and name too often. People apparently don't look at the twitter handle of who is posting, only the avatar.

I changed it twice last night. I'll probably change it at least once more this week. I get bored with it need to start attempting to hide who I am because of what I'm going to be starting grad school for. Don't need clients putting my twitter thoughts to my name - especially since my bio on twitter for the longest time was "If my tweets offend you, stop being so damn uptight."....

<----------------hasn't changed his handle.......avatar......or even updated location since I set it up. xlolx My "tweet" volume isn't very high either.

[clenz]

<----------------hasn't changed his handle.......avatar......or even updated location since I set it up. xlolx My "tweet" volume isn't very high either.
I need to change my handle because no matter my name/avatar it's clear when the handle is @cdlenz who the hell it is. I'm so bad at being anonymous online because I've never done it. My first rivals screen name was clenz213, that was set up in 2001. Pretty much every single screen name I've ever used has been clenz in some way...

My tweets also auto delete after 3 months because if you need to see what I tweeted more than 3 months ago you've got issues and I've still got about 5,200 in that time - though most are retweets and replies.

Maybe I'll change it to keep all tweets starting with the first of Jan.

[BisonBacker]

Maybe I'm showing my age but I don't use Twitter. Just don't get the idea of how it's appealing. But it sure has it's followers/users.

[BisonFan02]

Maybe I'm showing my age but I don't use Twitter. Just don't get the idea of how it's appealing. But it sure has it's followers/users.

I really hadn't either until lately to follow media/reactions to stuff like the senior bowl and combine. I, more or less, use it as a live feed for news.

[344Johnson]

I need to change my handle because no matter my name/avatar it's clear when the handle is @cdlenz who the hell it is. I'm so bad at being anonymous online because I've never done it. My first rivals screen name was clenz213, that was set up in 2001. Pretty much every single screen name I've ever used has been clenz in some way...

My tweets also auto delete after 3 months because if you need to see what I tweeted more than 3 months ago you've got issues and I've still got about 5,200 in that time - though most are retweets and replies.

Maybe I'll change it to keep all tweets starting with the first of Jan.

Thats a great idea. I'm going to look into that.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Maybe I'm showing my age but I don't use Twitter. Just don't get the idea of how it's appealing. But it sure has it's followers/users.


I don't use it either or facebook. Less tech is better for me!
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[BisonTru]

What boggles my mind is that any professional in this business would take time to make something like that. You would think that time could be used to watch more film on Wentz or someone he has not seen yet? Very disappointed in that because several people I know like Emory and he seems like a nice guy but that is just bad and a poor use of time.

A lot of us fans, are looking for credible sources of information on topics such as the draft. Then as you start digging you find out most of these sources watch little or no tape or are just pushing agendas. I can't count the number of Wentz scouting reports I've started to read that start out with never plays under center, never asked to make reads, plays a spread offense. SMH. It gets frustrating, and there's still a ton of fans that read their stuff and then buy into their opinions.

Luckily through the years I've come across a few people that seem somewhat credible. You're probably the best small school scout that posts his opinions. Despite taking some heat from time to time, please don't stop posting your thoughts, because I think quite a few of us appreciate them.

[clenz]

I really hadn't either until lately to follow media/reactions to stuff like the senior bowl and combine. I, more or less, use it as a live feed for news.

Well, that's what it was intended to be.

[smallcollegefbfan]

A lot of us fans, are looking for credible sources of information on topics such as the draft. Then as you start digging you find out most of these sources watch little or no tape or are just pushing agendas. I can't count the number of Wentz scouting reports I've started to read that start out with never plays under center, never asked to make reads, plays a spread offense. SMH. It gets frustrating, and there's still a ton of fans that read their stuff and then buy into their opinions.

Luckily through the years I've come across a few people that seem somewhat credible. You're probably the best small school scout that posts his opinions. Despite taking some heat from time to time, please don't stop posting your thoughts, because I think quite a few of us appreciate them.

I appreciate that! Heat doesn't seem to come at me like it use to. I try to call it down the middle. In my job I get fired if I'm not accurate.

The only people who get paid to do this and don't get fired are in the media and have become a name but are not held accountable. The only people held accountable these days are in the NFL.

We need to grade the media on their position rankings and overall rankings with how players do and see media members get fired for consistently bad boards. I also think media should be held accountable for false information reported and after reporting a flat lie 3 or 4 times in a year they should get fired. That would help prevent so many random opinions that have no merit. Too bad we won't see something like that happen.

I know fans just want credible information and sadly there are only 3 or 4 media sources out there that I would suggest fans read.

[BisonFan02]

I appreciate that! Heat doesn't seem to come at me like it use to. I try to call it down the middle. In my job I get fired if I'm not accurate.

The only people who get paid to do this and don't get fired are in the media and have become a name but are not held accountable. The only people held accountable these days are in the NFL.

We need to grade the media on their position rankings and overall rankings with how players do and see media members get fired for consistently bad boards. I also think media should be held accountable for false information reported and after reporting a flat lie 3 or 4 times in a year they should get fired. That would help prevent so many random opinions that have no merit. Too bad we won't see something like that happen.

I know fans just want credible information and sadly there are only 3 or 4 media sources out there that I would suggest fans read.

Care to share?

[BisonFan02]

Maybe I'm showing my age but I don't use Twitter. Just don't get the idea of how it's appealing. But it sure has it's followers/users.


I don't use it either or facebook. Less tech is better for me!
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http://i.imgur.com/KAjuQ.jpg

[Bisonoline]

Maybe I'm showing my age but I don't use Twitter. Just don't get the idea of how it's appealing. But it sure has it's followers/users.

I just dont get the twit thing. Most times when people post a tweet here I cant understand what its about. Makes no sense to me and I dont understand the appeal..

[BisonFan02]

I just dont get the twit thing. Most times when people post a tweet here I cant understand what its about. Makes no sense to me and I dont understand the appeal..
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[NDSU_grad]

I just dont get the twit thing. Most times when people post a tweet here I cant understand what its about. Makes no sense to me and I dont understand the appeal..
As has been mentioned, it's a fantastic way to get "real-time news". I started following a guy named Jeff Risdon during the Senior Bowl; I think he writes a blog for the Detroit Lions. Fantastic information from a very credible journalist, IMO. Lots of great stuff during the Senior Bowl and combine. Twitter is a great place for information if you follow the "right" people and can weed through the crap. Also, I rarely tweet, I think I have about 6 in a year; and I'm definitely not a young techie guy.

[clenz]

Twitter is also fantastic to **** on everyone and everything some times. Man, that can be fun.

I first signed up in 2009 and didn't get it at first. Then went about three years without signing back in. Then I gave it a go and never looked back. I've got too much family and former youth pastors and what not on Facebook to post there anymore. That's now mostly for family to track me. Twitter is fair game.

At one point during a UNI basketball game I tweeted something like 49 times and it was mostly all profanity and unnecessary, though one tweet did get 37 likes and it simply said "oh, **** that noise".

Twitter is awesome

[Bisonoline]

As has been mentioned, it's a fantastic way to get "real-time news". I started following a guy named Jeff Risdon during the Senior Bowl; I think he writes a blog for the Detroit Lions. Fantastic information from a very credible journalist, IMO. Lots of great stuff during the Senior Bowl and combine. Twitter is a great place for information if you follow the "right" people and can weed through the crap. Also, I rarely tweet, I think I have about 6 in a year; and I'm definitely not a young techie guy.

The only real time news I really need is to know if a tornado is heading my way. Other than that Im good.

[344Johnson]

Twitter is also fantastic to **** on everyone and everything some times. Man, that can be fun.

I first signed up in 2009 and didn't get it at first. Then went about three years without signing back in. Then I gave it a go and never looked back. I've got too much family and former youth pastors and what not on Facebook to post there anymore. That's now mostly for family to track me. Twitter is fair game.

At one point during a UNI basketball game I tweeted something like 49 times and it was mostly all profanity and unnecessary, though one tweet did get 37 likes and it simply said "oh, **** that noise".

Twitter is awesome

I don't tweet much, but when I do, it is usually a few times in a few hours, and usually revolves around Leveon Bell or Todd Gurley doing great things for my fantasy team, a college football game, or an NFL playoff game. Twitter is great. You get to avoid a lot of the blah thats on Facebook(see "Share if you believe in whatever" or a bunch of pics of peoples kids). Twitter is like a significantly better version of the Facebook status function.

As an aside, get that Tottenham garbage off your sig line. YWNA.

[clenz]

Oh Jesus, Liverpoo supporter.

Tell me, what's the weather like all the way down at mid-table? Pretty damn fresh up here in the Champions League air. Come Saturday we'll be top.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160302/e1a105548f1fed0fbabf280649c2d334.jpg


http://youtu.be/3wrW9OtjvQ8


You'd love my Twitter header and bio

audere est facere

[BisonFan02]

Oh for ****s sake don't let this sandbox drift into soccer. xlolx ANYTHING else. I would almost rather put it back on topic...whatever that was. xrotatehx

[clenz]

Oh for ****s sake don't let this sandbox drift into soccer. xlolx ANYTHING else. I would almost rather put it back on topic...whatever that was. xrotatehx

You know you want to join the Yid Army

[BisonFan02]

You know you want to join the Yid Army

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[clenz]

http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/Running-Away-GIF.gif

You can run, but you can't hide

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[BisonFan02]

You can run, but you can't hide

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Oh joy....nice second logo. xlolx

I'm gonna be honest. I think one of the reasons I've soured on the sport is because of the typical American MLS fan....the hipster/wannabe lumberjack that likes the Portland Timbers and just wants to act like some euro socialist. xlolx

EDIT: Oh.....and FIFA

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Man, not soccer......

[344Johnson]

Oh Jesus, Liverpoo supporter.

Tell me, what's the weather like all the way down at mid-table? Pretty damn fresh up here in the Champions League air. Come Saturday we'll be top.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160302/e1a105548f1fed0fbabf280649c2d334.jpg

http://youtu.be/3wrW9OtjvQ8


You'd love my Twitter header and bio

audere est facere

Only fruitcakes support London or Manchester clubs. At least you aren't a Chelski or Manchester fan. Hope Harry Kane stays.

The weather is not very good. It's going to be getting a lot better, Jurgen Klopp is here.

[BisonFan02]

Only fruitcakes support London or Manchester clubs. At least you aren't a Chelski or Manchester fan. Hope Harry Kane stays.

The weather is not very good. It's going to be getting a lot better, Jurgen Klopp is here.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121011182408/video151/images/2/26/Jurassic_Park_-_Stealing_embryos

[clenz]

Only fruitcakes support London or Manchester clubs. At least you aren't a Chelski or Manchester fan. Hope Harry Kane stays.

The weather is not very good. It's going to be getting a lot better, Jurgen Klopp is here.
I suppose being a poo fan is better than a Woolwich Gooner

[Bison56]

I just dont get the twit thing. Most times when people post a tweet here I cant understand what its about. Makes no sense to me and I dont understand the appeal..

Same here, I don't understand how to communicate on it. I try to get into it, but it makes no sense to me.

[Bison56]

Only fruitcakes support London or Manchester clubs. At least you aren't a Chelski or Manchester fan. Hope Harry Kane stays.

The weather is not very good. It's going to be getting a lot better, Jurgen Klopp is here.

^ hipster

[smallcollegefbfan]

Care to share?

I would say CBS Sports player rankings only, Mike Mayock, ESPN rankings, and Draft Countdown. If those folks report something usually it is true.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Looks like it might be time to ban clenz.

Seriously, soccer? You have broken a Cardinal rule here brother. I'm not even sure I can be friends with you any longer.

F'n shameful.

[clenz]

Looks like it might be time to ban clenz.

Seriously, soccer? You have broken a Cardinal rule here brother. I'm not even sure I can be friends with you any longer.

F'n shameful.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Ron-Swanson-Says-Dont-Even-Care.gif


I've had 2 soccer clubs in my signature for about a month and a half now, and it just now bothers you?

[BisonFan02]

Looks like it might be time to ban clenz.

Seriously, soccer? You have broken a Cardinal rule here brother. I'm not even sure I can be friends with you any longer.

F'n shameful.

I was REALLY considering just putting this thread back on topic to save AGS humanity from the scourge that is "Soccer".....but people must be "outed" in public like this or nah? :D

[clenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciFK6smUTAg

[BisonFan02]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tS0BV7eoVY

[clenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0SfBcOj62E

[Bisonator]

Looks like it might be time to ban clenz.

Seriously, soccer? You have broken a Cardinal rule here brother. I'm not even sure I can be friends with you any longer.

F'n shameful.

I'm sure he meant futball.xlolx

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BTW futball sucks!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Ron-Swanson-Says-Dont-Even-Care.gif


I've had 2 soccer clubs in my signature for about a month and a half now, and it just now bothers you?

JFC, you took that as a serious post? Good lord.

[clenz]

JFC, you took that as a serious post? Good lord.
Serious? Nope.

I just assume you had no idea what the two birds on the right were.xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Serious? Nope.

I just assume you had no idea what the two birds on the right were.xlolx

I absolutely have no idea. It looks like possibly some rejected NBC logo's from 1970 or something like that.

[clenz]

I absolutely have no idea. It looks like possibly some rejected NBC logo's from 1970 or something like that.
One is a loon (Minnesota United FC) the other a cockerel (Tottenham Hotspur FC)

dback would know what they werexcoffeex

[ursus arctos horribilis]

One is a loon (Minnesota United FC) the other a cockerel (Tottenham Hotspur FC)

dback would know what they werexcoffeex

Yes, I am sure most gay dudes are up on those things.

Ah, the rich tapestry of my prose never disappoints. So subtle, & so many meanings in such verbal economy.

You're welcome.

[NDSUBowler]

One is a loon (Minnesota United FC) the other a cockerel (Tottenham Hotspur FC)

dback would know what they werexcoffeex
What a disappointing performance by our Spurs vs West Ham. Luckily the other 3 in the top 4 combined for 1 point.

I'm pretty fired up in anticipation for the North London Derby in 36 hours!

I'd keep buying Spurs kits but they keep losing their players. Bale was my first purchase and Dempsey was my second. I'd love to pull the trigger on a Kane kit but I don't want to jinx anything. If I knew Yedlin would have a role with the team in the future, I'd snatch that up as fast as I could. Love the Spurs-USA connection!

[clenz]

What a disappointing performance by our Spurs vs West Ham. Luckily the other 3 in the top 4 combined for 1 point.

I'm pretty fired up in anticipation for the North London Derby in 36 hours!

I'd keep buying Spurs kits but they keep losing their players. Bale was my first purchase and Dempsey was my second. I'd love to pull the trigger on a Kane kit but I don't want to jinx anything. If I knew Yedlin would have a role with the team in the future, I'd snatch that up as fast as I could. Love the Spurs-USA connection!
Thankfully I couldn't watch the West Ham game. I followed it on twitter and it was not good from the sound of it.

I think the way Spurs are doing things is changing under Poch. They've locked up the younger core and Kane is locked up at $99,151 a week (£70,000) through 2020 recently. He's been at the club 11 years and is only 22. Anyone wanting to buy him is going to pay more than Real paid for Bale.

It seems to be different culture with Poch.

I can't get a read on Yedlin moving forward. Most of the forums/podcasts already see him as a bust move already that was only made to gain American fans. I'd like to think he'll break the line up in the year or two, but Walker, Alderweireld (who is more of a CB) and Trippier pretty well have the RB spot locked down.

Look at who has been transferred out vs in and the club identity is showing and Kane's a major part of that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwAB7UYSb8M

[BisonFan02]

Well........this thread has ran its course. Time for UAH to lock it before anyone gets hurt. xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yeah, I was kidding at first but the soccer talk ain't gonna happen on this board. Thread is being moved.

[BisonFan02]

I guess bump! Its draft eval time! xlolx