PATSY Ratings - Bucknell Class of 2020

[Lehigh Football Nation]

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-2016-patsy-ratings-no-3-bucknell.html

The Ratings (With 2 To Go):
BUCKNELL - 49
HOLY CROSS - 49 (http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-2016-patsy-ratings-no-5-holy-cross.html)
COLGATE - 47 (http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-2016-patsy-ratings-no-5-colgate.html)
GEORGETOWN - 37 (http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-2016-patsy-ratings-no-6-georgetown.html)
FORDHAM - 34 (http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-2016-patsy-ratings-no-7-fordham.html)

[RichH2]

Class sizes likely will be in this same range from now on, absent unusual circumstances. While Patsy numbers are down, recruiting levels have risen across the PL. The price is depth has dropped quite a bit.

[DFW HOYA]

Class sizes likely will be in this same range from now on, absent unusual circumstances. While Patsy numbers are down, recruiting levels have risen across the PL. The price is depth has dropped quite a bit.

I already made my point about the unnecessary roster size requirement in the Colgate ratings thread, so no need to repeat it here. But I would question whether recruiting levels have risen, and compared to when. Are PL teams in 2016 really better than they were in 2003, 1995, even 1987? The jury is out on that argument.

[bison137]

Class sizes likely will be in this same range from now on, absent unusual circumstances. While Patsy numbers are down, recruiting levels have risen across the PL. The price is depth has dropped quite a bit.



Bucknell's total class size for 2016 is up to 25. I believe four would be classified as walk-ons.

Any idea what the real numbers are for the other PL classes this year?

[van]

Lehigh announced 17 recruits + 1 punter recently self-announced so it seems the recruited class is 18, roster has room for 3 walk ons I believe, last years class was well above average in size and there are 2 possible 5th year guys coming back due to lost medical year, with roster caps, average class size should be about 22, a normal distribution around a mean of 22 should be expected

[RichH2]

I already made my point about the unnecessary roster size requirement in the Colgate ratings thread, so no need to repeat it here. But I would question whether recruiting levels have risen, and compared to when. Are PL teams in 2016 really better than they were in 2003, 1995, even 1987? The jury is out on that argument.
That the recruited talent is better does not equate directly to teams being better. There are too many other factors impacting on team performance. By the measurables available to us the talent levels have risen. Time will tell whether prrformance will also.

[Franks Tanks]

I already made my point about the unnecessary roster size requirement in the Colgate ratings thread, so no need to repeat it here. But I would question whether recruiting levels have risen, and compared to when. Are PL teams in 2016 really better than they were in 2003, 1995, even 1987? The jury is out on that argument.

87- no. In these years the PL was very even with the "scholarship" schools in the east. Case in point in 1985 Lafayette went 6-5 and beat JMU and UNH. Granted JMU and UNH weren't powers at the time, but we stacked up very well against the rest of FCS on the east coast. Games with the Ivies were also very close for the most part. In this era we performed better against the current CAA schools then we did current league members like Colgate and Holy Cross. I understand 1985 predates the PL by a year, but I picked 85 due to the schedule played this year, and the point it helps make.

95- yes- this was not a great time for PL football

03- more no, but closer to even. The late 90's to mid 2000's was a very competitive era for PL football. They league had some excellent coaches, and aid packages were good enough to draw some very good players.

We are better than we were 3-6 years ago however, and are trending in the right direction. Fordham and Colgate have shown what a scholarship PL team with good coaching can do. It is time for underperforming squads, mostly Lafayette, to get their you know what together. We have the resources. We have an attractive academic product. It is time for a few league coaches to step up.

[Fordham]

I already made my point about the unnecessary roster size requirement in the Colgate ratings thread, so no need to repeat it here. But I would question whether recruiting levels have risen, and compared to when. Are PL teams in 2016 really better than they were in 2003, 1995, even 1987? The jury is out on that argument.

I agree with FT's take and would add that if the PL had maintained the level of competitiveness it had in '87, '95 and '03, there would not be scholarships throughout the league. Imo it was the mix of other conferences adding scholarships that squeezed recruiting from below where a kid who would have chosen Lafayette may have chosen a full ride to Stony Brook or Albany instead; as well as a squeeze from above with the Ivies providing their not-technically-a-scholarship-scholarships. The Pl became less and less competitive and therefore scholarships were chosen as the path to helping us to at least return to those previous levels imo. Hopefully we'll be even more competitive than that but I'm not sure. Regardless, it's sure a helluva lot better imo than it was five years ago.

[RichH2]

I agree with FT's take and would add that if the PL had maintained the level of competitiveness it had in '87, '95 and '03, there would not be scholarships throughout the league. Imo it was the mix of other conferences adding scholarships that squeezed recruiting from below where a kid who would chosen Lafayette may have chosen a full ride to Stony Brook or Albany instead; as well as a squeeze from above with the Ivies providing their not-technically-a-scholarship-scholarships. The Pl became less and less competitive and therefore scholarships were chosen as the path to helping us to at least return to those previous levels imo. Hopefully we'll be even more competitive than that but I'm not sure. Regardless, it's sure a helluva lot better imo than it was five years ago.
+1

[bison137]

Bucknell just issued another official release, adding three more of the players we've known about for weeks: Two OL and one P/K. That should add a few more points to the model.

There are still three more recruited players not included in any of the releases. All of those three signed on the first day of the signing period. No idea what the hold-up is.

http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=32100&ATCLID=210759002

[Lehigh Football Nation]

It is worth mentioning that the three new official recruits added to Bucknell's list will likely put them back at the No. 2 position. Without looking at the ratings websites, they get at least one point on distribution alone.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

PATSY POINT UPDATE: With the latest official release, Bucknell just passed Lafayette for the No. 2 position.

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-2016-patsy-ratings-no-3-bucknell.html#uds-search-results

The ratings (with 1 to go):

BUCKNELL - 53 (http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-2016-patsy-ratings-no-3-bucknell.html#uds-search-results)
LAFAYETTE - 50
HOLY CROSS - 49 (http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-2016-patsy-ratings-no-5-holy-cross.html)
COLGATE - 47 (http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-2016-patsy-ratings-no-5-colgate.html)
GEORGETOWN - 37 (http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-2016-patsy-ratings-no-6-georgetown.html)
FORDHAM - 34 (http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-2016-patsy-ratings-no-7-fordham.html)

[bison137]

Another official release - adding three more recruits (WR, CB, and QB). Two of the three signed on the first day of the signing period, but it apparently took a long time to do the paperwork. All are from NJ - Red Bank Catholic, Delbarton, and Rumson-Fair Haven. Lafayette fans may recognize the name of the QB - Chiarolanzio. Big difference in size however.


http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=32100&ATCLID=210823827

[Fordham]

no one likes a team who presses too hard for ex post facto Patsies.

[BucBisonAtLarge]

no one likes a team who presses too hard for ex post facto Patsies.

Well, we wouldn't impugn the metric with actual data, either, mere slaves to logical positivism. The Patsys are more prophesy, emerging from a grotto, conjured by intoxicated oracles.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Well, we wouldn't impugn the metric with actual data, either, mere slaves to logical positivism. The Patsys are more prophesy, emerging from a grotto, conjured by intoxicated oracles.

In my defense doing this would drive anyone towards the bottle.

[BucBisonAtLarge]

In my defense doing this would drive anyone towards the bottle.

Don't mistake my comments as real critiques. I appreciate the writing more than the predictive value. It is a long off-season.

[RichH2]

LFN infamoue for his DOTW during the season. Never knew he has a grotto.:)

[Fordham]

Well, we wouldn't impugn the metric with actual data, either, mere slaves to logical positivism. The Patsys are more prophesy, emerging from a grotto, conjured by intoxicated oracles.

<golf clap>

[jimbo65]

Realize that this does not qualify as Class of 2020, but Fordham's best "recruit" is Chase Edmonds who decided to remain with us. Truly one of the best players in our division.