Carson Wentz 2016 NFL Draft Chatter

[Professor Chaos]

Might as well start the catch all thread for Wentz because there's going to be a lot of press about him over the next 3 and a half months.

Currently both Mel Kiper Jr and Todd McShay have him in their first round mock drafts and I'd imagine he has a better chance of rising into the top half of the first round than he does of falling out of it since so many teams need QBs and this is a weak QB class according to the experts I've heard from. In any case it seems very likely Wentz is the first FCS player off the board in this year's NFL draft.

[BisonFan02]

Things could get interesting post Senior Bowl and Combine.......

[Professor Chaos]

Well, the Wentz hype train has officially left the station is picking up steam in a big way. Daniel Jeremiah of NFL.com has Wentz going #4 overall to the Cowboys in his latest mock draft: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/275602

Some "draft expert" in the twittersphere seemed to think that if Wentz impresses at the Senior Bowl he may not be there for the Cowboys at #4. I wouldn't mind seeing him in Dallas since the Cowboys have Romo entrenched as the starter for at least the next year but I'd be a bit worried if Wentz went that high because the expectation would be that he should be able to start right away or early in his rookie season and I don't think that's a reasonable expectation for him.

At this point I wonder if Wentz even throws at the NFL Combine with as high as his stock is soaring? Last year the top QBs bucked the trend of top QB prospects not throwing at the combine and hopefully that continues because I'd like to see all the skills these guys have to offer on display at the NFL Combine.

Also, WTH did Connor Cook decline his Senior Bowl invite? By most accounts he's behind Wentz, Jared Goff, and Paxton Lynch so it's not like he's a bona fide 1st rounder (as Wentz is trending towards). It just seems silly he'd turn down the chance to compete in front of scouts for every single NFL team against top competition. That can't look good in the eyes of teams when there are already questions about his character.

[BisonTru]

To follow up on the Twitter stuff the guy who said he might not be there at four also said don't assume it's Cleveland either.

Here's my WAY the **** off the wall thought, Tennessee trades Mariotta to SF for their first, Chip gets his guy Tennessee gets Wentz and a high first.

Way to early just some wishful thinking. He ends up #1 and he doesn't have to go to Cleveland.

[Catsfan90]

Better hope it isn't Cleveland.....

[BisonFan02]

Better hope it isn't Cleveland.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

[centennial]

The Broncos could use him, but I hope they don't take him, he isn't going to fall that low anyway. Hope he goes to Dallas.

[Catsfan90]

Ha-ha omg I'm dying!!! That's effing hilarious

[Southern Bison]

Wentz will be a good fit behind a veteran QB for 2 years to learn the NFL. Arizona, San Diego, NO, GB?, Baltimore could be good fits.

Look what Jimmy Garrapallo has waiting for him in the next couple of years when Brady retires.

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[BisonTru]

Wentz will be a good fit behind a veteran QB for 2 years to learn the NFL. Arizona, San Diego, NO, GB?, Baltimore could be good fits.

Look what Jimmy Garrapallo has waiting for him in the next couple of years when Brady retires.

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Brady's said many times he doesn't plan on retiring for 10 years. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make it that long, but I equally wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy ends up like Mallet. Use up your rookie contract and then maybe get a shot somewhere and that's a big maybe.

The sitting behind a veteran is a double edged sword. It worked out well for Rodgers, but others get buried and then the veteran never leaves or not soon enough to get their shot. With that being said Arizona and Denver would be great, because Palmer and Manning are getting to the point their bodies are going to force them out. However, at this point if he doesn't play horrible in the Senior bowl or really look off at the combine and his pro day, I don't think he'll be available that late.

[Southern Bison]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/cal-golden-bears-jared-goff-michigan-state-connor-cook-qb-recruiting-nfl-draft-prospects-012016

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[Bisonator]

Hope Wentz ends up in Arizona. They have a really solid team all around and he could learn under Palmer for a couple years. Plus I doubt I could root for him in Dallas. xembarrassedx

[BisonTru]

Kiper's Latest


http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/14612924/get-familiar-carson-wentz-mel-kiper-2016-big-board-nfl-draft



The biggest mover this week is Carson Wentz out of North Dakota State. He's not a new name, of course -- we profiled him here months ago -- but he'd been out a while with a wrist injury and played well in his return. Wentz is no recent riser; he's been on the radar of evaluators going back to early last season. He's certainly having his moment now as the draft process approaches.


A couple reminders: General scouting reports on these players won't change much week to week, unless my overall evaluation changes. Also, the Big Board is not a prediction of where guys will be drafted, only where I have them ranked.



5. *Jared Goff, QB, California Golden Bears


I think the Senior Bowl could help Wentz and bring the group closer, but Goff is still my top QB. The arm can be special, as Goff can not only drill the ball down the field and into tight windows with ease but also has a changeup and proper trajectory. He has good movement skills and anticipation and he sees the whole field. He can also move defenders with his eyes pretty well and will continue to get better.



18. Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State Bison


Great size, big arm, exceptional mobility, and there's enough tape where you can remove him from the surroundings with your eyes and know he's a success. Put him in the SEC or Pac-12 and you're still talking about a great prospect. Senior Bowl will be huge.




19.*Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis Tigers


A so-so end of the season didn't help, but the kid has talent. Lynch has good size with room to fill out. He not only has a strong arm but also the ability to get the ball out fast. He has the height to see the whole field quickly without creating space, and he throws well on the move when he needs that space. It sounds trite, but the talent for the position is so clear, and the decision-making has been very good.

[Southern Bison]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000628137/article/phil-savage-top10-nfl-draft-pick-buzz-on-qb-carson-wentz

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[Bisonator]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000628137/article/phil-savage-top10-nfl-draft-pick-buzz-on-qb-carson-wentz

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I get a kick out of some of the "expert" comments after some of these articles. Have any of them watched even one game of Carson's? They all seem to be QB coach guru's who can pick apart everything he seemingly does so well that's attracted the NFL scouts attention. xlolx

[dewey]

Here is a video of Carson Wentz arriving at the Senior Bowl.

http://www.inforum.com/sports/3932898-carson-wentz-arrives-mobile-ala-senior-bowl

Dewey

[dewey]

Here is an article fro m the Star Tribune about Carson Wentz and all the social media hype surrounding him.

http://m.startribune.com/look-at-all-the-nfl-love-for-ndsu-quarterback-carson-wentz/366688601/?section=sports

Dewey

[Professor Chaos]

Well this is definitely as high as the Wentz hype train can rise (unless the Titans trade the #1 pick): Source: Cleveland Browns have "legitimate interested" in Carson Wentz at No. 2 (http://thedraftwire.usatoday.com/2016/01/28/source-cleveland-browns-have-legitimate-interest-in-carson-wentz-at-no-2/)

[centennial]

Well this is definitely as high as the Wentz hype train can rise (unless the Titans trade the #1 pick): Source: Cleveland Browns have "legitimate interested" in Carson Wentz at No. 2 (http://thedraftwire.usatoday.com/2016/01/28/source-cleveland-browns-have-legitimate-interest-in-carson-wentz-at-no-2/)
Dallas might be able trade #1 for #4 for very little. However, if someone has to go from 20th to 1st, that will cost a lot.

[BisonTru]

Dallas might be able trade #1 for #4 for very little. However, if someone has to go from 20th to 1st, that will cost a lot.

I just don't see a team jumping up to grab a future starter. If you want to go to 1, he better be your starter day 1. But like you alluded to a lot of the teams that need a QB day 1 (Rams, Texans) are so far down there they'd have to give up years worth of picks to get there. You better love, love, love the guy your getting.

[BisonFan02]

The Titans could have both the Cowboys and the Browns by the balls if either Goff or Wentz are clear top picks....things could get interesting. A lot of posturing is possible by both teams to maybe call each other's bluffs on who's the #1 QB on either teams board (or if they even pick QB in the first round...especially the Cowboys.

I think the Titans only shot to trade that pick is a QB frenzy...and the Browns/Cowboys are the two most likely dance partners...maybe the 49ers and Eagles as well (even though both have existing QBs at the moment)....toss in the Texans too if they want to make a REALLY stupid trade to move up that far. I would think the Texans, if they see the Browns take Goff and the Cowboys pass...they could move up in the first round to a point in order to grab a QB in the back end of the top 10/low teens.

[BisonFan02]

Em:


Carson has been the 3rd or 4th best QB in Mobile.

Defend this opinion Em that you had on the radio with Hallstrom or you have lost all credibility to me....really ****ing ridiculous. I genuinely don't know what you have been watching and the lionshare of scouts completely disagree with you...

From the Senior Bowl:

TOP QUARTERBACK
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State
TOP RUNNING BACK
Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech

TOP WIDE RECEIVER
Sterling Shepard, Oklahoma
TOP OFFENSIVE LINEMAN
Jason Spriggs, Indiana
TOP SPECIALIST
Jeff Overbaugh, San Diego State
TOP DEFENSIVE LINEMAN
Noah Spence, Eastern Kentucky

TOP LINEBACKER
Reggie Ragland, Alabama
TOP DEFENSIVE BACK
Harlan Miller, SE Louisiana

[BisonFan02]

Hogan and Coker looked like hot garbage....has Prescott done anything? Running out of QBs Em...

[BisonTru]

Em:



Defend this opinion Em that you had on the radio with Hallstrom or you have lost all credibility to me....really ****ing ridiculous. I genuinely don't know what you have been watching and the lionshare of scouts completely disagree with you...

From the Senior Bowl:

TOP QUARTERBACK
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State
TOP RUNNING BACK
Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech

TOP WIDE RECEIVER
Sterling Shepard, Oklahoma
TOP OFFENSIVE LINEMAN
Jason Spriggs, Indiana
TOP SPECIALIST
Jeff Overbaugh, San Diego State
TOP DEFENSIVE LINEMAN
Noah Spence, Eastern Kentucky

TOP LINEBACKER
Reggie Ragland, Alabama
TOP DEFENSIVE BACK
Harlan Miller, SE Louisiana

Some NFL team should hire Em. Whoever he loves I'd cross off my board, and whoever he doesn't, watch the tape they may be a star.

Honestly I didn't get **** done this week, watched every practice, re cap that aired. Wentz stood out all week. To be fair he looked very good compared to a bunch a mid round guys, some of the top QB talk may be a little over hyped. But he's in the conversation, it's going to be a Wentz/Goff/Lynch debate with a little Cook/Hackenberg in the mix for the next couple months.

[BisonFan02]

Some NFL team should hire Em. Whoever he loves I'd cross off my board, and whoever he doesn't, watch the tape they may be a star.

Honestly I didn't get **** done this week, watched every practice, re cap that aired. Wentz stood out all week. To be fair he looked very good compared to a bunch a mid round guys, some of the top QB talk may be a little over hyped. But he's in the conversation, it's going to be a Wentz/Goff/Lynch debate with a little Cook/Hackenberg in the mix for the next couple months.

The QBs that are in the conversation with Wentz were not in attendance at the Senior Bowl....It is Wentz...and a bunch of late round scrubs that won't play a down in the NFL. His star Dalyn Williams from Dartmouth wasn't even invited to a Bowl game period...

I have no idea where he gets any of this **** anymore. But Alshon Jefferys bruh... xlolx

[Bisonator]

Em:


Carson has been the 3rd or 4th best QB in Mobile.

Defend this opinion Em that you had on the radio with Hallstrom or you have lost all credibility to me....really ****ing ridiculous. I genuinely don't know what you have been watching and the lionshare of scouts completely disagree with you...

I had to go listen to the podcast to believe this.........opinions vary I guess. xlolx

I'd like to know who the better QB's were too Em.xeyebrowx

[BisonFan02]

I had to go listen to the podcast to believe this.........opinions vary I guess. xlolx

I'd like to know who the better QB's were too Em.xeyebrowx

Emory Hunt
‏@FBallGameplan
IMO #Dartmouth QB Dalyn Williams is better than Carson Wentz & he'll be in the @CGSAllStar this week. My Preview:

[Southern Bison]

Emory Hunt
‏@FBallGameplan
IMO #Dartmouth QB Dalyn Williams is better than Carson Wentz & he'll be in the @CGSAllStar this week. My Preview:
Emory needs to be removed from the FCS Wedge show for this stupidity...

When 32 NFL teams vote and see him as the Best QB but Emory & his lil' YouTube posts don't, I'll trust the opinions of those who have actually MADE it to the top level.

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[FargoBison]

Where is smallcollegefbfan?....I would like to hear his takes on some of this stuff. He always seems dialed in.

[BisonTru]

Where is smallcollegefbfan?....I would like to hear his takes on some of this stuff. He always seems dialed in.

This. I'm sure he's a busy dude this time of year but I'd love to hear his take on all this.

[BisonFan02]

Emory needs to be removed from the FCS Wedge show for this stupidity...

When 32 NFL teams vote and see him as the Best QB but Emory & his lil' YouTube posts don't, I'll trust the opinions of those who have actually MADE it to the top level.

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Admittedly, my listening will go down to next to nothing...he didn't do himself any favors today with NDSU fans. xlolx Some of his tweets to Charlie Stock also pissed me off to no end...CAS has forgotten more about the game of football than Em can spit out.

[centennial]

Where is smallcollegefbfan?....I would like to hear his takes on some of this stuff. He always seems dialed in.
He and I argued last year about Wentz being the best QB in the FCS. To be fair Wentz's footwork, and reads are improved. If we go by last year standards he is a 3rd day pick.

[BisonFan02]

He and I argued last year about Wentz being the best QB in the FCS. To be fair Wentz footwork, and reads are improved. If we go by last year standards he is a 3rd day pick.

No argument from me here....He's improved quite a bit.

[BisonTru]

He and I argued last year about Wentz being the best QB in the FCS. To be fair Wentz's footwork, and reads are improved. If we go by last year standards he is a 3rd day pick.

I really think Em and some of these self pro claimed scouts that have no clue what they're looking at, have to some how discount the Wentz hype because it's just impossible he could rise this quickly and this high. Hell, I made a bet this summer that he'd go top 2 rounds. A lot of us Bison fans saw how special he was, and most of the NFL was starting to take notice. Em and others didn't see it, so it must be just smoke and mirrors, in their eyes. Wentz is the real deal, it'll be fun to come back to some of his comments in a few years.

[centennial]

I really think Em and some of these self pro claimed scouts that have no clue what they're looking at, have to some how discount the Wentz hype because it's just impossible he could rise this quickly and this high. Hell, I made a bet this summer that he'd go top 2 rounds. A lot of us Bison fans saw how special he was, and most of the NFL was starting to take notice. Em and others didn't see it, so it must be just smoke and mirrors, in their eyes. Wentz is the real deal, it'll be fun to come back to some of his comments in a few years.
I mean smallcollegefbfan. Em does some stuff well, some not as well, like with Wentz.

[BisonTru]

I mean smallcollegefbfan. Em does some stuff well, some not as well, like with Wentz.

My bad. Do you have evidence of something Em does well?

FWIW, SCFF said Wentz was graded out in the 4-5 round area by the scouting services, but GMs and others had him a lot higher. He was thinking 2nd round with first round potential and 3rd as a floor at the time. This was when Wentz was injured, before the championship game.

[FargoBison]

Well SCFB will have his small school big board out next week, so I guess we'll find out what he thinks.

I know he caught some flack for his Marcus Williams comments back in the day but he was right about him not getting drafted.

[centennial]

Well SCFB will have his small school big board out next week, so I guess we'll find out what he thinks.

I know he caught some flack for his Marcus Williams comments back in the day but he was right about him not getting drafted.
He has certainly coached my ass a few times. He is the most knowledgeable poster on AGS, especially with scouting. I've seen some stuff from Em that I've agreed with, the Wentz thing will be one of his misses.

[BisonFan02]

He has certainly coached my ass a few times. He is the most knowledgeable poster on AGS, especially with scouting. I've seen some stuff from Em that I've agreed with, the Wentz thing will be one of his misses.

I've had some good PM convos with SCFB. Short of someone on an NFL staff, he provides alot of good/relevant FCS (and smaller) info.

[Bisonoline]

Admittedly, my listening will go down to next to nothing...he didn't do himself any favors today with NDSU fans. xlolx Some of his tweets to Charlie Stock also pissed me off to no end...CAS has forgotten more about the game of football than Em can spit out.

What did he say to CAS?

[BisonFan02]

What did he say to CAS?

Its on twitter and I'm not even going to give his account any more clicks....one reply involved a video of Martin Lawrence telling CAS to "sit his ass down"...

[Bisonoline]

Its on twitter and I'm not even going to give his account any more clicks....one reply involved a video of Martin Lawrence telling CAS to "sit his ass down"...

Interesting. May be he is now compensating for his abysmal predictions on the out come of the National Championship games? His inference that our success---championships was happenstance in the interview showed he was really stretching.

[BisonFan02]

Interesting. May be he is now compensating for his abysmal predictions on the out come of the National Championship games? His inference that our success---championships was happenstance in the interview showed he was really stretching.

I'm starting to have genuine concerns that I don't know if I want to dig any further.... xlolx Just some "happenstance" perhaps.

[BisonTru]

Posting for future reference.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22164&stc=1

[IBleedYellow]

What the hell is the CGSAllStar game?

Didn't even know it existed.

[BisonTru]

What the hell is the CGSAllStar game?

Didn't even know it existed.

It's a lot more prestigious vs. the Senior bowl, and I'm sure Em and Co. put together a well-scouted and un-biased report of all the players involved. That in no way was done, just to try and sell copies of his book. xrolleyesx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Posting for future reference.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22164&stc=1



I'll take NFL GM's and NFL scout's opinions on CW over Emory's opinions any day.

I'm still laughing at his championship game prediction.....xlolx Hey Em, remember to take a very good defense over a gimmick spread team any day....

[BisonFan02]

I'll take NFL GM's and NFL scout's opinions on CW over Emory's opinions any day.

I'm still laughing at his championship game prediction.....xlolx Hey Em, remember to take a very good defense over a gimmick spread team any day....

Em is Jay Walker...except ESPN isn't paying him to be uniformed and ****ty like the former Howard QB.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Em is Jay Walker...except ESPN isn't paying him to be uniformed and ****ty like the former Howard QB.


xlolx


I watched one Dartmouth game on NBCSN against Cornell (IIRC) and the Dartmouth QB (Williams) is he not even close to CW in talent.


One question: If Williams is so good, where is he in the Senior Bowl?
xdontknowxxdontknowxxdontknowxxdontknowx

He's barely 6-0....not NFL material IMO.

[BisonFan02]

xlolx


I watched one Dartmouth game on NBCSN against Cornell (IIRC) and the Dartmouth QB (Williams) is he not even close to CW in talent.


One question: If Williams is so good, where is he in the Senior Bowl?
xdontknowxxdontknowxxdontknowxxdontknowx

He's barely 6-0....not NFL material IMO.

I watched that same game and one other (honestly would have to look back). He has no shot at the NFL.

[superman7515]

Carson Wentz has been getting a lot of air time in Philadelphia Eagles discussions and it has almost entirely been negative by the Philly media.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Carson Wentz has been getting a lot of air time in Philadelphia Eagles discussions and it has almost entirely been negative by the Philly media.


Philly has some tough fans....

[BisonFan02]

Carson Wentz has been getting a lot of air time in Philadelphia Eagles discussions and it has almost entirely been negative by the Philly media.

Philly fans don't have to worry about Wentz....he probably won't be available at that pick.

[BisonTru]

The Czar on Carson Wentz at the Senior Bowl


Been the third or fourth best quarterback here, which is not bad, it's just he kinda just fit in.

From: 1-30-16 Steve's Sports Saturday - Hour 1http://podcast.flagfamily.com/

Seriously, Em can you expand on your thoughts on Wentz? What am I and almost every other person I've heard is missing about Carson?

[superman7515]

Philly has some tough fans....

It hasn't been the fans. Mike Missanelli, the main host on the local ESPN affiliate, has been calling him a joke and saying you can't count on small college quarterbacks to win anything, it's few and far between that they make anything of themselves. Sal Paolantonio talking about how two weeks ago, no one in America had heard of him coming from some tiny NAIA school in the middle of nowhere, suddenly he's the buzzword of the week and those usually flame out, they're better off resigning Sam Bradford. General consensus from the draft guys and talking heads in the Philly area is that this is the weakest QB class in the modern NFL draft and if you can't get Paxton Lynch, they're better off not getting a QB and running with Bradford for a bit longer.

[clenz]

Well, he does follow @AwfulWhiteQBs (https://twitter.com/AwfulWhiteQBs) on twitter....so...

He also believes Roberson and Jenkins are better QBs than Wetnz....

Wouldn't be shocked to hear him think that Bailey at UNI is better than Wentz

You do that math

[BisonFan02]

It hasn't been the fans. Mike Missanelli, the main host on the local ESPN affiliate, has been calling him a joke and saying you can't count on small college quarterbacks to win anything, it's few and far between that they make anything of themselves. Sal Paolantonio talking about how two weeks ago, no one in America had heard of him coming from some tiny NAIA school in the middle of nowhere, suddenly he's the buzzword of the week and those usually flame out, they're better off resigning Sam Bradford. General consensus from the draft guys and talking heads in the Philly area is that this is the weakest QB class in the modern NFL draft and if you can't get Paxton Lynch, they're better off not getting a QB and running with Bradford for a bit longer.

That's moronic.

[BisonTru]

It hasn't been the fans. Mike Missanelli, the main host on the local ESPN affiliate, has been calling him a joke and saying you can't count on small college quarterbacks to win anything, it's few and far between that they make anything of themselves. Sal Paolantonio talking about how two weeks ago, no one in America had heard of him coming from some tiny NAIA school in the middle of nowhere, suddenly he's the buzzword of the week and those usually flame out, they're better off resigning Sam Bradford. General consensus from the draft guys and talking heads in the Philly area is that this is the weakest QB class in the modern NFL draft and if you can't get Paxton Lynch, they're better off not getting a QB and running with Bradford for a bit longer.

Wow... that's dumb as ****. (fully realize you're just repeating what you're hearing)

I don't expect your average fan to know about Wentz, but anyone in tuned with the draft what so ever knew about him. Hell, he was mocked top 5 by a couple people before the Senior Bowl. I do like how they're getting behind small school Lynch, but Wentz can't possibly work out. Worst class ever? Here's 2013's class. Goff, Wentz, Lynch, hell add Cook, Hackenberg, and Prescott are better than anybody in that class.





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[superman7515]

I don't expect your average fan to know about Wentz, but anyone in tuned with the draft what so ever knew about him.

Yeah, I thought that was pretty odd as well from Paolantonio considering how much draft coverage he does for ESPN/NFL stuff. They've been talking about Wentz for a while, how could he claim no one had ever heard of him when Kiper et al have been for some time on ESPN.

[BisonFan02]

Yeah, I thought that was pretty odd as well from Paolantonio considering how much draft coverage he does for ESPN/NFL stuff. They've been talking about Wentz for a while, how could he claim no one had ever heard of him when Kiper et al have been for some time on ESPN.

Exactly. I think Paolantonio was probably just being a snarky asshole on the radio.

[Bisonoline]

Exactly. I think Paolantonio was probably just being a snarky asshole on the radio.

Thats the way I took it. Took a cue from Andy in Des Moines.

[Professor Chaos]

It hasn't been the fans. Mike Missanelli, the main host on the local ESPN affiliate, has been calling him a joke and saying you can't count on small college quarterbacks to win anything, it's few and far between that they make anything of themselves. Sal Paolantonio talking about how two weeks ago, no one in America had heard of him coming from some tiny NAIA school in the middle of nowhere, suddenly he's the buzzword of the week and those usually flame out, they're better off resigning Sam Bradford. General consensus from the draft guys and talking heads in the Philly area is that this is the weakest QB class in the modern NFL draft and if you can't get Paxton Lynch, they're better off not getting a QB and running with Bradford for a bit longer.
Anyone care to chime in about where their golden boy Ron Jaworski played in college?


Thats the way I took it. Took a cue from Andy in Des Moines.
Except he's actually funny.

[ST_Lawson]

Originally I was really hoping that my Bears would be able to get Wentz in round 2 or 3...have him backup Cutler for a year or two, then let the old man go and let Wentz take over.
As his stock has risen in the last few months though, we've pretty much been "priced out" of the market for him. The Bears have more immediate needs than a QB that they need to use their top 1-2 picks on and Wentz won't be on the board by the time we'd be able to take him.

I hope he finds success wherever he goes.

[BisonFan02]

ESPN's Top 20 draft prospects at the Senior Bowl

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/14672002/top-20-nfl-draft-prospects-senior-bowl

From ESPN's Todd McShay:


1. Carson Wentz (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/49988/carson-wentz), QB North Dakota State: Wentz checked off every box. He has the frame (6-foot-5¼, 233 pounds). He has the arm. He can make all the throws -- even in cold, windy weather. He displayed a good demeanor with his coaches and teammates. Wentz played his way into the conversation as the first QB off the board.

Eagerly awaiting what the "czar" has to say... xlolx

[FargoBison]

I think Carson is getting beat down a bit by some of the twitter rubes out there because of NDSU's offense. They look at what Jimmy G did at EIU or Lee at JMU and are like why isn't Carson putting up those stats if he is the best of the FCS? Stats...Stats...Stats are all some of these clowns see. Never mind the fact that Carson was leading a pro style offense that was much more focused on balance and discipline then stats. Of course the scouts love that, they eat it up because they see a guy with a high ceiling that already understands elements of a pro offense. They don't have to waste time teaching basic things or worrying about him not picking up the offense.

I know these rubes don't mean anything but it is frustrating after checking out twitter and some NFL forums.

[BisonTru]

I think Carson is getting beat down a bit by some of the twitter rubes out there because of NDSU's offense. They look at what Jimmy G did at EIU or Lee at JMU and are like why isn't Carson putting up those stats if he is the best of the FCS? Stats...Stats...Stats are all some of these clowns see. Never mind the fact that Carson was leading a pro style offense that was much more focused on balance and discipline then stats. Of course the scouts love that, they eat it up because they see a guy with a high ceiling that already understands elements of a pro offense. They don't have to waste time teaching basic things or worrying about him not picking up the offense.

I know these rubes don't mean anything but it is frustrating after checking out twitter and some NFL forums.

Yeah I've noticed the same thing. The fans hate that he didn't put up gaudy stats like you would see in a quick spread offense. The scouts, complete flip of the coin, the offense we ran was perfect for showing scouts what he could do. I'd like to hear a real scouts thoughts on the leap for Carson going from FCS, but familiar with a pro style offense and someone like Goff who played FBS, but played the spread.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I think Carson is getting beat down a bit by some of the twitter rubes out there because of NDSU's offense. They look at what Jimmy G did at EIU or Lee at JMU and are like why isn't Carson putting up those stats if he is the best of the FCS? Stats...Stats...Stats are all some of these clowns see. Never mind the fact that Carson was leading a pro style offense that was much more focused on balance and discipline then stats. Of course the scouts love that, they eat it up because they see a guy with a high ceiling that already understands elements of a pro offense. They don't have to waste time teaching basic things or worrying about him not picking up the offense.

I know these rubes don't mean anything but it is frustrating after checking out twitter and some NFL forums.


CW is way ahead of some of these other QBs. You see these spread offense QBs and before the snap, they turn and look at the coaching staff to get the change of play. CW does that already by changing the play, coverage and blocking schemes on the LOS.

[BisonTru]

Eagerly awaiting what the "czar" has to say... xlolx

From our QB guru on his postgame show:

"Carson Wentz was up and down all day"

he also wanted to point out

"the offenses couldn't get going in the first quarter that was led by Carson Wentz and Jake Coker"

I tried linking it but it declined it calling it spam. Damn, smart phones.xlolx

[Bisonoline]

I think Carson is getting beat down a bit by some of the twitter rubes out there because of NDSU's offense. They look at what Jimmy G did at EIU or Lee at JMU and are like why isn't Carson putting up those stats if he is the best of the FCS? Stats...Stats...Stats are all some of these clowns see. Never mind the fact that Carson was leading a pro style offense that was much more focused on balance and discipline then stats. Of course the scouts love that, they eat it up because they see a guy with a high ceiling that already understands elements of a pro offense. They don't have to waste time teaching basic things or worrying about him not picking up the offense.



I know these rubes don't mean anything but it is frustrating after checking out twitter and some NFL forums.


How long did you think the love fest was going to last? Especially after CW didnt pull rabbits out of any hats during the Senior Bowl game. I certainly didnt expect any different from the wannabe internet scouting bozos. LOL Its is what it is. At least youre not in a bar sitting next to them.

[BisonTru]

Really don't want to give him any more press, but here's some more of The Czar dogging Wentz. I just want all this documented. I'll eat crow on this if I'm wrong, but I'm damn confident I'm not. Wentz is a legit NFL quarterback.

The gist Wentz is an average quarterback that he'd maybe take in the 3rd, 4th round if he needed a #2. Arm strength, accuracy, and ball placement he doesn't have two out of three of those that's why he struggled in the Senior bowl. Yeah, I know the last two are the same thing, just repeating what he said.

When the host asks how important winning is because Wentz did a lot of winning, he says very important and then turns it to Cardale Jones and how much he's won and that Wentz doesn't have Flacco's arm so he'll get picked apart in the NFL. Shortly after he re-tweeted this Cardale Jones/Carson Wentz article which is basically they are the same big athletic win, but yeah... there's one difference in the two... that's why.

Here's the article http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/2/10898070/2016-nfl-draft-profiles-carson-wentz-cardale-jones-quarterback-eagles-ohio-state-north-dakota

Here's his interview (starts at 24:35) http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/2/10898070/2016-nfl-draft-profiles-carson-wentz-cardale-jones-quarterback-eagles-ohio-state-north-dakota

P.S. He's credible on Wentz because he does an FCS show in the western part of the country the Big Sky area.

[clenz]

Really don't want to give him any more press, but here's some more of The Czar dogging Wentz. I just want all this documented. I'll eat crow on this if I'm wrong, but I'm damn confident I'm not. Wentz is a legit NFL quarterback.

The gist Wentz is an average quarterback that he'd maybe take in the 3rd, 4th round if he needed a #2. Arm strength, accuracy, and ball placement he doesn't have two out of three of those that's why he struggled in the Senior bowl. Yeah, I know the last two are the same thing, just repeating what he said.

When the host asks how important winning is because Wentz did a lot of winning, he says very important and then turns it to Cardale Jones and how much he's won and that Wentz doesn't have Flacco's arm so he'll get picked apart in the NFL. Shortly after he re-tweeted this Cardale Jones/Carson Wentz article which is basically they are the same big athletic win, but yeah... there's one difference in the two... that's why.

Here's the article http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/2/10898070/2016-nfl-draft-profiles-carson-wentz-cardale-jones-quarterback-eagles-ohio-state-north-dakota

Here's his interview (starts at 24:35) http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/2/10898070/2016-nfl-draft-profiles-carson-wentz-cardale-jones-quarterback-eagles-ohio-state-north-dakota

P.S. He's credible on Wentz because he does an FCS show in the western part of the country the Big Sky area.The Wedge is an AGS production and is available in MVFC markets as well, I wouldn't knock that.

How much he actually follows the FCS beyond what he's told to prepare for his segment each week is, well, debatable.

[BisonFan02]

Really don't want to give him any more press, but here's some more of The Czar dogging Wentz. I just want all this documented. I'll eat crow on this if I'm wrong, but I'm damn confident I'm not. Wentz is a legit NFL quarterback.

The gist Wentz is an average quarterback that he'd maybe take in the 3rd, 4th round if he needed a #2. Arm strength, accuracy, and ball placement he doesn't have two out of three of those that's why he struggled in the Senior bowl. Yeah, I know the last two are the same thing, just repeating what he said.

When the host asks how important winning is because Wentz did a lot of winning, he says very important and then turns it to Cardale Jones and how much he's won and that Wentz doesn't have Flacco's arm so he'll get picked apart in the NFL. Shortly after he re-tweeted this Cardale Jones/Carson Wentz article which is basically they are the same big athletic win, but yeah... there's one difference in the two... that's why.

Here's the article http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/2/10898070/2016-nfl-draft-profiles-carson-wentz-cardale-jones-quarterback-eagles-ohio-state-north-dakota

Here's his interview (starts at 24:35) http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/2/10898070/2016-nfl-draft-profiles-carson-wentz-cardale-jones-quarterback-eagles-ohio-state-north-dakota

P.S. He's credible on Wentz because he does an FCS show in the western part of the country the Big Sky area.

So Em is now pimping Cardale ahead of Carson now too? Wow....color me shocked I guess. xlolx.......or not.

[BisonFan02]

Cardale is such a winner he couldn't even win the starting QB job this season.

[clenz]

Cardale is such a winner he couldn't even win the starting QB job this season.
That 8 TD to 5 INT ratio is clearly awesome though

[BisonFan02]

That 8 TD to 5 INT ratio is clearly awesome though

Sounds like a great QB for the Browns. He would lose that starting job to McCown too...

[BisonTru]

The Wedge is an AGS production and is available in MVFC markets as well, I wouldn't knock that.

How much he actually follows the FCS beyond what he's told to prepare for his segment each week is, well, debatable.

Not knocking the Wedge knocking the Big Sky country comments as if NDSU is in Big Sky country.

I don't find him credible in Geography much less scouting.

[clenz]

Cardale is such a winner he couldn't even win the starting QB job this season.
He didn't win the starting job his first year either.

He only got to play because Miller was hurt and then Barrett got jacked up against Michigan....

They then rode Elliot to that title.

[clenz]

Not knocking the Wedge knocking the Big Sky country comments as if NDSU is in Big Sky country.

I don't find him credible in Geography much less scouting.
Well, UND is in the Big Sky and Fargo is pretty close to Grand Forks.xlolx

I agree with your point though

[BisonTru]

McShays Latest

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/14678803/qbs-carson-wentz-jared-goff-rising-mcshay-mock-draft-20

2. Cleveland Browns (3-13)

Jared Goff, QB, California Golden Bears

If Bosa is still on the board here for whatever reason, he would be a good option. But quarterback is undoubtedly Cleveland's top need, and the more tape I study, the more I believe it's a two-horse race between Goff and North Dakota State's Carson Wentz for the No. 1 passer. As it stands now -- after studying five of Goff's games this season and four of Wentz's -- the two have identical grades. From Cleveland's perspective, Goff has a bit more velocity on his fastball to cut through the wind, while Wentz has more experience playing in the cold. Tough call, but I'll go with Goff for now.

4. Dallas Cowboys (4-12)

Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State Bison

Now that I'm deep into Wentz's tape, I feel very comfortable saying he's a legit first-round talent. He has the height, sturdy frame, natural accuracy, pocket mobility and on-field leadership you look for in a QB. He was 20-3 as a starter at NDSU and won two FCS national titles. You could certainly make a case for the Cowboys taking the best available D-line prospect, such as Oregon's DeForest Buckner. But if Dallas is sold on Wentz (or Goff, if he's available), this could prove to be a very wise long-term investment at the game's most important position

[BisonTru]

Wonder if the founder/ceo/czar/all world scout has heard of this McShay clown?

[BisonFan02]

Wonder if the founder/ceo/czar/all world scout has heard of this McShay clown?

Em is an independent "thinker". xlolx

[Bisonator]

Em is an independent "thinker". xlolx

More like a biased or even racist one. He and Jay Walker need to stick to pimping the MEAC/SWAC.

[Professor Chaos]

More like a biased or even racist one. He and Jay Walker need to stick to pimping the MEAC/SWAC.
Do you really want to open that can of worms? You can question a guy's opinion/evaluation based on its merit but accusing him of being a racist evaluator is crossing the line of decency IMO.

[clenz]

Never mind

[BisonFan02]

Do you really want to open that can of worms? You can question a guy's opinion/evaluation based on its merit but accusing him of being a racist evaluator is crossing the line of decency IMO.

I can and will....he follows @awfulwhiteQBs on twitter....and his past evaluations confirm a slight bias...


Never mind

Do it. :D

[Bisonator]

Do you really want to open that can of worms? You can question a guy's opinion/evaluation based on its merit but accusing him of being a racist evaluator is crossing the line of decency IMO.
Whatever, it's my opinion. If it hurts someones feelers to call them out for the crap they pull.............tough ****.

[Professor Chaos]

Whatever, it's my opinion. If it hurts someones feelers to call them out for the crap they pull.............tough ****.
Yeah, you can have an opinion and I have no issues for calling him out for an opinion of his that you disagree with. I just have a hard time taking your opinion seriously when you insinuate that he's basing his evaluations on skin color without anything to back it up. BF02 makes a point above about Emory's twitter habits which at least backs it up somewhat but when you make a comment like that without anything to back it up it looks more like mud-slinging that arguing. It makes it look like you have something personal against him not just against his opinion of Wentz. That's my opinion.

[clenz]

I'm not going to agree with racist. I think people misuse that word a lot.

I think prejudicial is a better, and fairly accurate, word.

[clenz]

I can and will....he follows @awfulwhiteQBs on twitter....and his past evaluations confirm a slight bias...



Do it. :D

Was going too, started typing and thought better of it as I was doing so. Tried to go back and delete the post and Tapatalk posted the few words I had. Couldn't delete my post from my phone so that's the best you're getting from me

[BisonFan02]

I'm not going to agree with racist. I think people misuse that word a lot.

I think prejudicial is a better, and fairly accurate, word.

This.

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Was going too, started typing and thought better of it as I was doing so. Tried to go back and delete the post and Tapatalk posted the few words I had. Couldn't delete my post from my phone so that's the best you're getting from me

That's an improvement. :D jk

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

So Em is now pimping Cardale ahead of Carson now too? Wow....color me shocked I guess. xlolx.......or not.


LOL.....Em pimping someone else....big shock.

CW is head and shoulders above Cardale.

[superman7515]

http://thedraftwire.usatoday.com/2016/01/31/carson-wentz-is-who-we-thought-he-was-and-there-is-nothing-wrong-with-that/


What in the world does this have to do with North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz? Well I’ll tell you. I don’t want what happened to Jones, and what happens to so many prospects every year, to happen to Wentz. Carson Wentz (and every other quarterback in this draft) is not a top ten (or even 20) prospect, and that is absolutely ok. We just need to accept it and stop trying to make these passers into something they simply aren’t.

This summer I wrote about Wentz at a time where (it seemed) I was higher on him than most, saying that he had all the traits to become an excellent second day developmental talent at the position. Big arm, ideal frame, great leadership presence, and the ability to make fearless throws down the field highlighted my list of desirable traits that Wentz brought to the table. He was fun, exciting, and carried with him the promise of becoming a franchise quarterback if a team gave him time and proper coaching.

Fast-forward to January 2016, and many would have you believe Wentz is a top five prospect in this year’s NFL Draft. What changed during that time? Not much, as Wentz did improve his deep ball accuracy and football IQ some, but in starting just seven games due to a wrist injury this past season, the quarterback’s game remained largely the same. He still struggles with location and accuracy, operating from a wide base at times instead of standing more upright in the pocket. Wentz has a big arm that will occasionally force the ball into coverage, often because he processes his reads and opposing defenses too slowly in the pocket. By the time he’s made a decision, defenders have often maneuvered into position to make a play on the ball.

The overlooking of those weaknesses pail in comparison to the straight-up fabrication that Wentz had a great Senior Bowl week. The Bison product wasn’t awful, making impressive throws at times, but there were missed receivers, dropped interceptions, and slower than ideal decisions that no one is talking about. The best thing Wentz had going for him in practice this week was that the other quarterbacks on his roster looked far more hapless in comparison. It could even be argued that Wentz’ Senior Bowl performance left a lot to be desired, even in comparison to his fellow signal callers...

[clenz]

I think Wentz in the top 10 is crazy. I've talked with ming about that on Twitter some.

I think he'd be a great pick starting about where Flacco was taken.

That article is pretty much what I think.

I think the issue most here have is the way Emory goes about Wentz, vs other QBs

[BisonTru]

I think Wentz in the top 10 is crazy. I've talked with ming about that on Twitter some.

I think he'd be a great pick starting about where Flacco was taken.

That article is pretty much what I think.

I think the issue most here have is the way Emory goes about Wentz, vs other QBs

With The Czar my issue is the Wentz was average didn't stand out at the Senior bowl comments. That's just flat out false. I watched every televised bit available. He was the tallest, most athletic, best arm, quickest release, most accurate, best understanding of the offense of the foursome he practiced with. Em loves the small school kids. The fact he's out in left field on Wentz tells me there's an agenda somewhere.

The article above points out how he looked good against mid rounders which is fair. Don't agree with his last sentence, but at least he used the word arguably.

IMO, Goff and Wentz both aren't slam dunks but they both have skills to get excited about. One is almost certainly going to Cleveland. The other could go almost anywhere from 3 to 22.

[BisonTru]

http://thedraftwire.usatoday.com/2016/01/31/carson-wentz-is-who-we-thought-he-was-and-there-is-nothing-wrong-with-that/

"Operating out of a wide base"

I've noticed this a lot. It's definitely not the norm, but how big of a deal is this?

I really don't know. Is it something he needs to fix or if you're consistent it doesn't matter?

[Bisonoline]

Im usually pretty critical of our team and players if they make mistakes or I see poor play. By season end I was really tired of the CW talk and was looking for some flaws in the practices at the Senior bowl. Really couldnt find much. I think he pushed himself too hard at times and needs to let things happen. I guess his mental game with the coaches was lights out.

With that being said I really dont know what round he should go at. Even with all the crazy talk I just cant see him going in the top 10. Later in the 1st or second yes.



As far as EM I dont know what he deal is with him constantly picking against the Bison. Reminds me of Jay Walker. Everyone we play plays at a higher level and has great speed that we cant match until ----opps---the Bison win---how did that happen?????

[clenz]

With The Czar my issue is the Wentz was average didn't stand out at the Senior bowl comments. That's just flat out false. I watched every televised bit available. He was the tallest, most athletic, best arm, quickest release, most accurate, best understanding of the offense of the foursome he practiced with. Em loves the small school kids. The fact he's out in left field on Wentz tells me there's an agenda somewhere.

The article above points out how he looked good against mid rounders which is fair. Don't agree with his last sentence, but at least he used the word arguably.

IMO, Goff and Wentz both aren't slam dunks but they both have skills to get excited about. One is almost certainly going to Cleveland. The other could go almost anywhere from 3 to 22.
I think that article is dead on when it said Wentz is a stretch. 5-10+ years ago Wentz (with everything else being exactly the same) doesn't get taken before the third round because teams weren't as ready to reach for a QB. That's changed recently.

I think Wentz is great, and could be an above average in the right place.

I think it's entirely fair to say teams are reaching and just praying he (and Goff to be honest) don't end up like Leaf/Manziel/Ponder/Locker

[Bisonator]

I think Wentz in the top 10 is crazy. I've talked with ming about that on Twitter some.

I think he'd be a great pick starting about where Flacco was taken.

That article is pretty much what I think.

I think the issue most here have is the way Emory goes about Wentz, vs other QBs
Honestly I don't think any of the QB's in this years class are top 10 picks. The fact is QB is the one position that teams reach for every year. The teams that need a QB have to figure out which teams might take their guy before they pick again that's what it boils down to every year.

IMO Wentz is the best QB in this class and the most ready to start an NFL game. He has all of the measurables, the intangibles and experience in a pro style offense. That doesn't mean he will be a successful NFL QB but I think he has as good a shot as any of the other guys this year.

To say he was the 3-4 best QB at the Senior Bowl is simply BS!

[Bisonator]

BTW nobody thought Tom Brady was a top 10 pick either.;)

[clenz]

BTW nobody thought Tom Brady was a top 10 pick either.;)
And had he ended up anywhere except where he did he would have been out of the league a decade ago.

Or had Bledsoe not had his kidney split open Brady doesn't play that year or for a couple years after...if ever...

[BisonBacker]

Em is an independent "thinker". xlolx

Here's his office... xlolx

http://www.mymcpl.org/_uploaded_resources/imagecache/blog_wide_thumb/dunce.jpg

[BisonTru]

I think that article is dead on when it said Wentz is a stretch. 5-10+ years ago Wentz (with everything else being exactly the same) doesn't get taken before the third round because teams weren't as ready to reach for a QB. That's changed recently.

I think Wentz is great, and could be an above average in the right place.

I think it's entirely fair to say teams are reaching and just praying he (and Goff to be honest) don't end up like Leaf/Manziel/Ponder/Locker

Disagree, teams reaching for a QBs has been going on for 20 years. I wouldn't even call it reaching it's just such an important position that if you think you have your guy you gotta take him. Also, the QB position is the toughest to judge, IMO, the speed of the NFL game is so fast very few people can process everything make the right decision and then make a great throw. It's tough to judge which guys can and which guys will fold.

The one thing that has drastically changed in the last 10 years is the amount of spread QBs in college. To me Goff is very, very similar to Mariotta, undersized and comes from a spread offense. They both look/looked like solid QBs, but there is still that little scare that they may struggle with a pro offense. Unfortunately as long as so many colleges run the spread the likely hood the best/better QBs in college may come from a spread system is high. Take your chances and roll. It's tough to win games without great QB play.

With Wentz, he checks off a lot of boxes, but there are some concerns, level of competition, accuracy at times, enough I can see teams passing, but there is enough there they may take their shot. Personally the things I love about Wentz and some of these I don't know about Goff, is the fiery competitiveness, how smart he is, and his love of the game. There's almost a zero chance he ends up like Leaf or Manziel. Ponder on the other hand was very smart and I think he gave it everything he had, I just think Wentz has a much higher ceiling vs. Ponder.

All in all, the Browns are in tough spot. I do like trading down a little if you can find a partner. But they have to take a QB. You could say they could load up on other talent and address it next year, but remember the '13 QB class (EJ Manuel year). This QB class isn't that bad. There's no slam dunk, but there's some depth. Goff/Wentz look very good. Lynch/Cook have all the physical traits and some of the talent your looking for but there are some leadership (Cook) and mental/maturity (Lynch) issues. And Hackenberg is a wild card that some believe PSU made him look bad, and that he may shine in a Pro system.

[Professor Chaos]

Disagree, teams reaching for a QBs has been going on for 20 years. I wouldn't even call it reaching it's just such an important position that if you think you have your guy you gotta take him. Also, the QB position is the toughest to judge, IMO, the speed of the NFL game is so fast very few people can process everything make the right decision and then make a great throw. It's tough to judge which guys can and which guys will fold.

The one thing that has drastically changed in the last 10 years is the amount of spread QBs in college. To me Goff is very, very similar to Mariotta, undersized and comes from a spread offense. They both look/looked like solid QBs, but there is still that little scare that they may struggle with a pro offense. Unfortunately as long as so many colleges run the spread the likely hood the best/better QBs in college may come from a spread system is high. Take your chances and roll. It's tough to win games without great QB play.

With Wentz, he checks off a lot of boxes, but there are some concerns, level of competition, accuracy at times, enough I can see teams passing, but there is enough there they may take their shot. Personally the things I love about Wentz and some of these I don't know about Goff, is the fiery competitiveness, how smart he is, and his love of the game. There's almost a zero chance he ends up like Leaf or Manziel. Ponder on the other hand was very smart and I think he gave it everything he had, I just think Wentz has a much higher ceiling vs. Ponder.

All in all, the Browns are in tough spot. I do like trading down a little if you can find a partner. But they have to take a QB. You could say they could load up on other talent and address it next year, but remember the '13 QB class (EJ Manuel year). This QB class isn't that bad. There's no slam dunk, but there's some depth. Goff/Wentz look very good. Lynch/Cook have all the physical traits and some of the talent your looking for but there are some leadership (Cook) and mental/maturity (Lynch) issues. And Hackenberg is a wild card that some believe PSU made him look bad, and that he may shine in a Pro system.
Yep, the bolded part above is why I think Wentz has rocketed from a fringe 1st rounder or 2nd rounder to a top 10 prospect in the eyes of some. I think now more than ever NFL teams are looking for intangibles and off-the-field red flags, or lack thereof, when evaluating draft prospects. Wentz, to put it quite simply, is a choir boy... and a smart choir boy at that. I think he's going to knock the socks off team execs at the combine during the interviews more than he will during the individual drills and some team is going to fall in love with those intangibles and pick him higher than even the most homerish Bison fan would've thought at this time last year.

I agree with the author in the article that Supe posted. Wentz doesn't have the physical skills to be a top 10 pick and I hope that if a team does draft him that high they do so with the realization that won't be at the level a starting QB needs to be at in week 1 of 2016 but with the expectation that with his intangibles and work ethic he's going to develop into a NFL caliber starting QB by 2017 or 2018.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Yep, the bolded part above is why I think Wentz has rocketed from a fringe 1st rounder or 2nd rounder to a top 10 prospect in the eyes of some. I think now more than ever NFL teams are looking for intangibles and off-the-field red flags, or lack thereof, when evaluating draft prospects. Wentz, to put it quite simply, is a choir boy... and a smart choir boy at that. I think he's going to knock the socks off team execs at the combine during the interviews more than he will during the individual drills and some team is going to fall in love with those intangibles and pick him higher than even the most homerish Bison fan would've thought at this time last year.

I agree with the author in the article that Supe posted. Wentz doesn't have the physical skills to be a top 10 pick and I hope that if a team does draft him that high they do so with the realization that won't be at the level a starting QB needs to be at in week 1 of 2016 but with the expectation that with his intangibles and work ethic he's going to develop into a NFL caliber starting QB by 2017 or 2018.


It is all opinion.

CW could be a very good QB right away. We do not know. Would it help him to sit behind someone for a year or two? Sure it would. Mariota got thrown in to the lions the first year. Played 12 games and had decent stats. He also was a spread QB coming out of college. There were question marks about him also.

Teams drafting high always want them guys to produce right away....nature of the NFL now...win now. I hope he sits behind someone for a year or two but IMO, he has the physical tools to do it next year if he has to.

[Bisonoline]

It is all opinion.

CW could be a very good QB right away. We do not know. Would it help him to sit behind someone for a year or two? Sure it would. Mariota got thrown in to the lions the first year. Played 12 games and had decent stats. He also was a spread QB coming out of college. There were question marks about him also.

Teams drafting high always want them guys to produce right away....nature of the NFL now...win now. I hope he sits behind someone for a year or two but IMO, he has the physical tools to do it next year if he has to.

I would hate to see him thrown to the wolves on a ****ty team. Many a player never made it because they werent used correctly from the git go.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I would hate to see him thrown to the wolves on a ****ty team. Many a player never made it because they werent used correctly from the git go.


Agree

I hope he goes to a team and sits a year or two before he moves up. I'm hoping he goes to Pitt and gets to sit behind Big Ben for a few years.

[344Johnson]

Agree

I hope he goes to a team and sits a year or two before he moves up. I'm hoping he goes to Pitt and gets to sit behind Big Ben for a few years.

I doubt they'd take him in the 1st. They are in win now mode and need guys that can contribute now. Not in 5 years.

[BisonTru]

I doubt they'd take him in the 1st. They are in win now mode and need guys that can contribute now. Not in 5 years.

I agree. Jerry has always been in win now mode. There will be some stud DT, DE, OL that blew up the combine sitting there, don't see Jerry passing on that. I still think SD is the most likely "grab our future QB" team.

[FargoBison]

I would love to see Carson get to Houston, that team has some talent but they just need the right QB. Would be a lot of fun watching Carson throw to Hopkins.

I think best case for him is that he goes somewhere that has an average vet QB in front of him and he beats him out by the end of year and starts the last few games.

[FargoBison]

Guess not all FCS draft minds are as down on Wentz as Em is....


Watching the FCS National Championship again tonight and can safely say when small school board is released NDSU QB Carson Wentz will be #1



https://twitter.com/joshnfldraft

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I doubt they'd take him in the 1st. They are in win now mode and need guys that can contribute now. Not in 5 years.


Steelers are my favorite NFL team, so I would love to see CW there. Pitt can get what they need on the FA market this coming year. They will not move up to take CW but I would love to see him go there.

[BisonBacker]

Oh Snap don't look now Em xlolx
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/2016-nfl-draft-quarterback-class-dallas-cowboys-carson-wentz-audible-podcast-012916

[BisonFan02]

Guess not all FCS draft minds are as down on Wentz as Em is....



https://twitter.com/joshnfldraft



Yup....guess who that is?

[FargoBison]

Yup....guess who that is?

The one and only smallcollegefbfan....Great FCS mind.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Oh Snap don't look now Em xlolx
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/2016-nfl-draft-quarterback-class-dallas-cowboys-carson-wentz-audible-podcast-012916



xlolx

BB: That cannot be right....Em said CW was only the 3rd or 4th best QB at the Senior Bowl!! Something must be wrong. Those guys are out in left field...xeyebrowx

All those spread/read option QBs are way better than CW......

[344Johnson]

Steelers are my favorite NFL team, so I would love to see CW there. Pitt can get what they need on the FA market this coming year. They will not move up to take CW but I would love to see him go there.

They are mine as well. I'd go ballistic. I'd rather see them get someone who can contribute to a Super Bowl

[BisonTru]

The Czar/CEO of football everything has released his mock draft.

For those of you who don't feel like watching and destroying brain cells, here's a summary. Goff goes to the Rams in the first. Cardale Jones is the best quarterback in this draft and goes to Cleveland at the top of the second. Dak Prescot and Trevone Boykin are the next quarterbacks to go in the second to the Texans and Steelers. Hackenberg sneaks into the second with the Cardinals.

Cook, Lynch, and Wentz didn't make it into the first two rounds. xrolleyesx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ll_wExshaU

#awfulwhiteQbs

[FargoBison]

The Czar/CEO of football everything has released his mock draft.

For those of you who don't feel like watching and destroying brain cells, here's a summary. Goff goes to the Rams in the first. Cardale Jones is the best quarterback in this draft and goes to Cleveland at the top of the second. Dak Prescot and Trevone Boykin are the next quarterbacks to go in the second to the Texans and Steelers. Hackenberg sneaks into the second with the Cardinals.

Cook, Lynch, and Wentz didn't make it into the first two rounds. xrolleyesx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ll_wExshaU

#awfulwhiteQbs

He is a complete joke, so I'm not shocked. Like I said before I doubt he considers Wentz one of the 10 best QBs in the draft.

[FargoBison]

I mean seriously that might be the worst mock I have ever seen, this guy has a job analyzing this stuff? Boykin, the guy who assaulted a police officer and was suspended for his bowl game and who also plays in a gimmicky offense has him in round 2 over Wentz and Lynch. Boykin probably won't even be picked in the draft at all. I didn't even get into how he lacks an NFL frame.

[BisonTru]

I mean seriously that might be the worst mock I have ever seen, this guy has a job analyzing this stuff? Boykin, the guy who assaulted a police officer and was suspended for his bowl game and who also plays in a gimmicky offense has him in round 2 over Wentz and Lynch. Boykin probably won't even be picked in the draft at all. I didn't even get into how he lacks an NFL frame.

Correction, he wrote a book and started a website to promote it. Em's a fraud, unfortunately even our local radio has him on for his analysis. I wouldn't take his advice on what to order at his favorite restaurant.

[BisonFan02]

I mean seriously that might be the worst mock I have ever seen, this guy has a job analyzing this stuff? Boykin, the guy who assaulted a police officer and was suspended for his bowl game and who also plays in a gimmicky offense has him in round 2 over Wentz and Lynch. Boykin probably won't even be picked in the draft at all. I didn't even get into how he lacks an NFL frame.

But Boykin is a dual threat QB.... xlolx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

The Czar/CEO of football everything has released his mock draft.

For those of you who don't feel like watching and destroying brain cells, here's a summary. Goff goes to the Rams in the first. Cardale Jones is the best quarterback in this draft and goes to Cleveland at the top of the second. Dak Prescot and Trevone Boykin are the next quarterbacks to go in the second to the Texans and Steelers. Hackenberg sneaks into the second with the Cardinals.

Cook, Lynch, and Wentz didn't make it into the first two rounds. xrolleyesx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ll_wExshaU

#awfulwhiteQbs



What a complete idiot!!

Cardale Jones.....xlolx......he is like the 10th best QB.....laughing my ass off.....

What a clown.

[BisonBacker]

I mean seriously that might be the worst mock I have ever seen, this guy has a job analyzing this stuff? Boykin, the guy who assaulted a police officer and was suspended for his bowl game and who also plays in a gimmicky offense has him in round 2 over Wentz and Lynch. Boykin probably won't even be picked in the draft at all. I didn't even get into how he lacks an NFL frame.

I'm sure he thinks sandpaper is softer than Charmin too xlolx

I'd love to cut the guy some slack and he can back anyone he wants but he's putting this stuff out there and he's getting called on it.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Hey Em, I like how you tried to belittle a Bison HOF former player on twitter....he has forgot more about football than you know....xnodx

[BisonBacker]

Hey Em, I like how you tried to belittle a Bison HOF former player on twitter....he has forgot more about football than you know....xnodx

Don't want to waste my time going over to his "analysis" using that term very lightly but what's his beef now? What did he say?

[BisonBacker]

Aww Snap again for Em.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000635418/article/mike-mayocks-2016-nfl-draft-position-rankings?sf20694830=1

Guess this Mayock fellow is just a rube xlolx

[smallcollegefbfan]

To follow up on the Twitter stuff the guy who said he might not be there at four also said don't assume it's Cleveland either.

Here's my WAY the **** off the wall thought, Tennessee trades Mariotta to SF for their first, Chip gets his guy Tennessee gets Wentz and a high first.

Way to early just some wishful thinking. He ends up #1 and he doesn't have to go to Cleveland.

I have told others this but if I'm a top QB I want my agent to inform Cleveland not to draft me. That organization has to prove it won't mess up a mid or late round QB before I would go as a top tier guy. I would rather go 6th or 20th overall and not go to Cleveland than go 4th and have to go there.

[BisonTru]

I have told others this but if I'm a top QB I want my agent to inform Cleveland not to draft me. That organization has to prove it won't mess up a mid or late round QB before I would go as a top tier guy. I would rather go 6th or 20th overall and not go to Cleveland than go 4th and have to go there.

Honestly I'm more scared of Chip Kelly. I don't see him working out in SF, and if he does I think a lot of credit would go to him even if Wentz deserves it. Cleveland is growing a little more on me with Hue, plus I thought Manziel was bust from the get go, so I'm not really holding that one against them.

What's your thoughts on the Wentz hype? Are NFL teams as high on him as the media (first second quarterback taken)?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I have told others this but if I'm a top QB I want my agent to inform Cleveland not to draft me. That organization has to prove it won't mess up a mid or late round QB before I would go as a top tier guy. I would rather go 6th or 20th overall and not go to Cleveland than go 4th and have to go there.


Cleveland might actually have a good coach now. Plus, they have some good pieces to start with now.....OL is one of them. Having a solid QB that produces would do wonders for Cleveland.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Honestly I'm more scared of Chip Kelly. I don't see him working out in SF, and if he does I think a lot of credit would go to him even if Wentz deserves it. Cleveland is growing a little more on me with Hue, plus I thought Manziel was bust from the get go, so I'm not really holding that one against them.

What's your thoughts on the Wentz hype? Are NFL teams as high on him as the media (first second quarterback taken)?

On Manziel, I would have never drafted him. I told people before the draft he is a bust and I would not even sign as a UDFA. Cleveland was the only team willing to take him high and to be fair you have to consider if Cleveland has ever had a 1st round QB pan out. What QB have they drafted who turned in to a Pro Bowler in the last 15-20 years?

If Wentz fits in what Kelly wants then he may work out but I don't trust the GM and owner in SF. If Chip Kelly stays on the field and is clear about what he wants he will do okay with a QB but what he struggles with is his style. Remember, in college you have 85 scholarships so that fast pace tempo won't wear you down like it does with 46 active players in the NFL. These guys get worn down after fast starts. It happened in Philadelphia. He needs 2 very good QBs and at least 6-7 good WRs, which is HARD to do in the NFL.

As for Wentz, I like him. I would personally want him in the late 1st or early 2nd so I don't have to play him right away but it does appear he is going to be a top 15 pick. I feel bad when I see a small schooler possibly over drafted and put in a bad situation because I see him as a good starter in the NFL but I fear where he goes. If he goes to the right situation, I definitely see him as a good NFL player.

As for NFL teams, many have him high and a few don't. I know of a couple scouts who have him as a 3rd-4th rounder while many others have him as a top 15-20 pick. Nobody values him as a top 3-5 player overall but the need of QB pushes them all up. That's why a 5th round talent in Manziel goes 1st, that's why Manuel of FSU goes 1st instead of 4th, etc. The only steals at QB like Brady and Wilson are because of bad athletic ability or lack of height. Any QB who has the ideal size, speed, and arm will go higher than the internal value teams have on them.

I have been saying for 3 years that a NFL team should target a QB in every draft whether in the top 50 or in mid rounds or late rounds. It should depend on need but with so few good ones bring in 1 and make sure you always have 3, with at least 2 good enough to get on the field, or else late in the year you find yourself in big trouble if an injury happens.

With the speed of Denver, could you have imagined how bad they beat Carolina if Newton had gone down in NFC Championship game and the Panthers had to trot Derek Anderson out on the field, who has very little mobility? Could have been a 35 point game.

[smallcollegefbfan]

ESPN's Top 20 draft prospects at the Senior Bowl

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/14672002/top-20-nfl-draft-prospects-senior-bowl

From ESPN's Todd McShay:



Eagerly awaiting what the "czar" has to say... xlolx

LOL! Anyone whose ego makes them self-proclaim to be the guru, czar, godfather, etc of anything is probably not half as good as a well informed fan on a message board. He seems like a nice guy but is just a passionate fan who does not have NFL connections and wants to be a mentor to these kids but I still don't get how all these mentors who don't know how NFL scouting works can even claim to be a "mentor" or expert on anything?

[BisonTru]

As for NFL teams, many have him high and a few don't. I know of a couple scouts who have him as a 3rd-4th rounder while many others have him as a top 15-20 pick. Nobody values him as a top 3-5 player overall but the need of QB pushes them all up. That's why a 5th round talent in Manziel goes 1st, that's why Manuel of FSU goes 1st instead of 4th, etc. The only steals at QB like Brady and Wilson are because of bad athletic ability or lack of height. Any QB who has the ideal size, speed, and arm will go higher than the internal value teams have on them.



A couple more questions, what's your thoughts on this QB class? Personally I don't think there is that high end no brainer top 5 QB, but there seems to be some really good depth in this class. I (obviously) like Wentz and think Goff would be solid as well. Lynch has a lot of tools you like with few red flags like simplicity of his offense. Cook has been high on the radar for a while with a few leadership concerns. Hackenberg hasn't looked great, but there's some rumblings he may make a 180 if he gets back to a pro style offense. And I think Dak Prescott (unlikely but possible) could be the next Russell Wilson.

How would you rank these quarterbacks?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Honestly, CW would be better than anything Cleveland has put on the field at QB in the last decade.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Cleveland might actually have a good coach now. Plus, they have some good pieces to start with now.....OL is one of them. Having a solid QB that produces would do wonders for Cleveland.

It all starts at the top. You would be surprised how an owner can make a franchise worse. Haslam picked Manziel, he was the one who texted the coach and made Farmer take the blame, and he is the one who has pressed the reset button every year just about. He is also the one hiring many of their scouts. I have been told by folks close to one of their new hires that Haslam is changing and has promised to give at least 3-4 years to this new regime. If so, then I'll say Jackson can help but if Haslam hasn't changed then it won't matter. I hope he has. Cleveland deserves a Super Bowl more than any franchise right now. They have the best fans in the league and have been one of the 2-3 worst teams over the last 15-20 years.

[smallcollegefbfan]

A couple more questions, what's your thoughts on this QB class? Personally I don't think there is that high end no brainer top 5 QB, but there seems to be some really good depth in this class. I (obviously) like Wentz and think Goff would be solid as well. Lynch has a lot of tools you like with few red flags like simplicity of his offense. Cook has been high on the radar for a while with a few leadership concerns. Hackenberg hasn't looked great, but there's some rumblings he may make a 180 if he gets back to a pro style offense. And I think Dak Prescott (unlikely but possible) could be the next Russell Wilson.

How would you rank these quarterbacks?

Tough question because you never know what team they are going to. Don't be mistaken, these guys can do better or worse depending on their situation. I would say Goff, Lynch, and Wentz all have franchise potential but each have a question. Wentz hasn't started but two years, has had the injury, and the media does not say it but he will have a bad throw here and there that makes you wonder (although he will follow up with a dart that has uncanny accuracy). Like you said on Lynch the offense and he is coming from a AAC school that has not typically produced them. I think he has the ability to be a good one.

I would not want any of these guys to start from day one but with a year learning I think all 3 could be good ones and if the situation is right they still may as a rookie. I admit I have not broken down 10 games of them all. I know more on Wentz than any.

Hackenberg and Cook would be great picks if I could get them in round 3 because I think that would be the wake up call they need.

Prescott is interesting. He was really good in the bowl game.

Here is a question to ponder. Would you rather take Hackenberg or Cook in round 3 or 4 or take Wentz, Lynch, or Goff in the top 3-5 picks? Personally I would be all for taking one of them in the top 3 and then rolling the dice on Hackenberg or Cook in round 3 or 4, if there, kind of like the Redskins did. It would look stupid on paper now but if someone does not pan out then you have a backup plan. Although, if you miss on both then another GM will be picking in the top 3-4 in your place in a few years. lol

[BisonTru]

Here is a question to ponder. Would you rather take Hackenberg or Cook in round 3 or 4 or take Wentz, Lynch, or Goff in the top 3-5 picks? Personally I would be all for taking one of them in the top 3 and then rolling the dice on Hackenberg or Cook in round 3 or 4, if there, kind of like the Redskins did. It would look stupid on paper now but if someone does not pan out then you have a backup plan. Although, if you miss on both then another GM will be picking in the top 3-4 in your place in a few years. lol

Highly biased, Wentz is my guy. The lack of experience, seen as a weakness by some, is a huge sign of potential to come, IMHO. Also, I just love the intangibles, huge competitor, smart as hell, absolutely loves the game. If I were a GM, I'd probably mortgage my unborn child.

With that being said my opinion of Wentz should probably be discounted. Wentz aside, I'd be comfortable waiting on someone like Cook, Hackenberg, or Prescott vs. Goff or Lynch right away. Not sure if I'd take two, considering almost every team has so many needs at so many positions. Taking two quarterbacks takes two picks away from addressing every other position.

I'll say this, I've heard many times over how this is a weak quarterback class, I'd bet money this class produces 2+ pro bowl quarterbacks (not attended the pro bowl, but actually voted in). Which is somewhat bold considering the 2013 class didn't produce a starter.

[clenz]

Just going to add this


http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160215/05fd799c10e2a0f1a4e93e45edbc7101.jpg

So he could have he better numbers, see more playing time, etc... But that doesn't make him better it just means he got more opportunities.


Or code speak for "he's white"

[BisonFan02]

Just going to add this


http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160215/05fd799c10e2a0f1a4e93e45edbc7101.jpg

So he could have he better numbers, see more playing time, etc... But that doesn't make him better it just means he got more opportunities.


Or code speak for "he's white"

#awfulwhiteQBs

[centennial]

Who cares about Emory? He is just butt hurt about NDSU. Can we just keep this to Carson Wentz talk?

On topic, here are some observations about Carson:
Bad-
I'll have to go look for the numbers but Carson still needs to improve his long ball, those numbers are bad.
Some of his throws don't have good touch
He can stare down receivers hard, that will cause INT's in the the NFL
Can take too long to read defenses
Good-
Saw him eye manipulating vs JSU, and Senior Bowl. Rare for a FCS QB.
His reads and footwork have gotten better. Seems to be getting better touch as well
Plays in a NFL type offense, and understands pro concepts
Has some under center experience

I think top 10 is too high for him. If he goes at the end of the first round and can sit for a couple of years, his chance of being successful should increase. Here is to hoping that he does not get taken 2nd in the draft.

[BisonFan02]

Who cares about Emory? He is just butt hurt about NDSU. Can we just keep this to Carson Wentz talk?

On topic, here are some observations about Carson:
Bad-
I'll have to go look for the numbers but Carson still needs to improve his long ball, those numbers are bad.
Some of his throws don't have good touch
He can stare down receivers hard, that will cause INT's in the the NFL
Can take too long to read defenses
Good-
Saw him eye manipulating vs JSU, and Senior Bowl. Rare for a FCS QB.
His reads and footwork have gotten better. Seems to be getting better touch as well
Plays in a NFL type offense, and understands pro concepts
Has some under center experience

I think top 10 is too high for him. If he goes at the end of the first round and can sit for a couple of years, his chance of being successful should increase. Here is to hoping that he does not get taken 2nd in the draft.


Here's my opinion about the QB position in a draft.....if he's good enough for you in the late first round, he's good enough 10ish spots higher too. I never understood the thought of "burning" a top 15 pick versus something in the 20s.

[BisonTru]

Who cares about Emory? He is just butt hurt about NDSU. Can we just keep this to Carson Wentz talk?


Eh... I'm fine posting Em's chit. He's a hack who unfortunately has a lot of respectability amongst many media outlets and fans because of the amount of stuff he puts out. And he puts out a loooooot of videos and has a presence on a looooot of boards. At least a few on here, are starting to figure out his game. He's on to the fourth round and 9th quarterback in this class, and he still hasn't mentioned Wentz or Lynch. I've followed this years quarterback class very close for the last 1.5 years. That's ridiculous, but some fans will point to his quarterback rankings as though they mean anything.

I just hope more fans realize how biased and under informed researched his videos are.

[centennial]

Here's my opinion about the QB position in a draft.....if he's good enough for you in the late first round, he's good enough 10ish spots higher too. I never understood the thought of "burning" a top 15 pick versus something in the 20s.
Top 10 usually adds extra pressure to start quickly. It only takes the starting QB to have a few bad games, and everyone is calling for the hot shot backup to start. I do in principle agree with what you are saying however. My other point was that high up you are usually going to team with problems. Going to a winning program with less pressure is easier IMO.

[Bisonator]

Top 10 usually adds extra pressure to start quickly. It only takes the starting QB to have a few bad games, and everyone is calling for the hot shot backup to start. I do in principle agree with what you are saying however. My other point was that high up you are usually going to team with problems. Going to a winning program with less pressure is easier IMO.

I don't know. The draft is such a crap shoot. You could also be picked by some team and sit for X amount of years behind a top QB and still never get a shot because they fall in love with the next best in another draft. Where ever Carson goes I hope he gets a real chance. I think Carson will be up for the challenge either way.

[BisonTru]

I don't know. The draft is such a crap shoot. You could also be picked by some team and sit for X amount of years behind a top QB and still never get a shot because they fall in love with the next best in another draft. Where ever Carson goes I hope he gets a real chance. I think Carson will be up for the challenge either way.

I agree with some of this. Look at Ryan Mallet/Matt Cassel. Mallet sat behind Brady and never got a shot to prove anything on the field in NE, and then after four years he gets to compete week in week out in Houston for the job. Cassel put up one stellar year while Brady was injured and championed that success to multiple starting gigs.

You just never know. I just hope he gets a few seasons somewhere with the ownership and coaches firmly behind him, whether that's next year or a couple years down the road.

[BisonFan02]

Josh‏@joshnfldraft (https://twitter.com/joshnfldraft)

Carson Wentz is my highest graded small school QB prospect in my entire time scouting and beats Flacco out by a considerable margin.


xwhistlexxcoffeex:D

[Bisonoline]

Eh... I'm fine posting Em's chit. He's a hack who unfortunately has a lot of respectability amongst many media outlets and fans because of the amount of stuff he puts out. And he puts out a loooooot of videos and has a presence on a looooot of boards. At least a few on here, are starting to figure out his game. He's on to the fourth round and 9th quarterback in this class, and he still hasn't mentioned Wentz or Lynch. I've followed this years quarterback class very close for the last 1.5 years. That's ridiculous, but some fans will point to his quarterback rankings as though they mean anything.



I just hope more fans realize how biased and under informed researched his videos are.

He wont have one thing to do with where CW is selected. Those REALLY in the know---KNOW what CW is and isnt.

[BisonTru]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22238&stc=1

Wentz comes in at a 4th round projection and the #12 QB in this class. 3rd Awful White Quarterback. xcoolx

[BisonFan02]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22238&stc=1

Wentz comes in at a 4th round projection and the #12 QB in this class. 3rd Awful White Quarterback. xcoolx

He's ****ing clueless.....

[Bisonator]

He's ****ing clueless.....

No ****. What a ****ing tool!

[FargoBison]

Just when I think he couldn't be more wrong, he goes and proves me wrong. That tweet is so bad that it is embarrassing.

I don't even want to watch his youtube video out of fear of how pissed off I will get. Em seems like a nice guy but his QB analysis is amateur hour.

Update....I watched the video and I wasn't let down. Complete and total amateur hour. What a hack that guy is, I feel sad for the Bison fans that helped pay his trip to Fargo.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

4th round prospect and the #12 ranked QB......xlolx

What a moron!

Let's see, NFL scouts and GMs and even ESPN's McShay and Mel Kiper have him #1 or #2 QB.....boy, EM must really see something everyone else doesn't....xrolleyesx

I'm still laughing at the #12 ranked QB....xlolx

[clenz]

I didn't look close enough to see where he had Wentz, but did see a video where he had some D2 qb going in the 4th round and compared him to Pryor from OSU

He wasn't an #awfulwhiteqb

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I didn't look close enough to see where he had Wentz, but did see a video where he had some D2 qb going in the 4th round and compared him to Pryor from OSU

He wasn't an #awfulwhiteqb



Where do you think he will go?

1st round? 2nd?

[clenz]

Where do you think he will go?

1st round? 2nd?
Wentz? He'll go TOP 10-15 for sure.

Would I take him there? No. I'd be more comfortable in the 25-40 range with him, but given his position and today's draft climate if he falls below 13-15 I'd be shocked.

[BisonTru]

I didn't look close enough to see where he had Wentz, but did see a video where he had some D2 qb going in the 4th round and compared him to Pryor from OSU

He wasn't an #awfulwhiteqb

He has Vad Lee, the Dartmouth QB, and a DII quarterback all in front of Wentz. Betcha can guess what trait all those QBs hold over Wentz.

After watching the video I'm almost more enthused about Wentz's future. I know Em was trying to dig up anything negative he could find and he came up with a couple highlights from '14 where Wentz over threw some long balls and forced a couple throws. He called it locking in, which there is a ton of tape of Wentz going through progressions. The one highlight I had to laugh was Wentz's first college game where he forced a throw in tighter coverage putting it in a spot only his guy could get it, but a tough play to make. Em's criticism, the check down was open. No wonder he loves Bridgewater.

[BisonFan02]

He has Vad Lee, the Dartmouth QB, and a DII quarterback all in front of Wentz. Betcha can guess what trait all those QBs hold over Wentz.

After watching the video I'm almost more enthused about Wentz's future. I know Em was trying to dig up anything negative he could find and he came up with a couple highlights from '14 where Wentz over threw some long balls and forced a couple throws. He called it locking in, which there is a ton of tape of Wentz going through progressions. The one highlight I had to laugh was Wentz's first college game where he forced a throw in tighter coverage putting it in a spot only his guy could get it, but a tough play to make. Em's criticism, the check down was open. No wonder he loves Bridgewater.

xcoffeex

[BisonTru]

So a day after Em called Wentz 12th best, some dude named Todd McShay has bumped him into the top QB spot. xcoolx

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/14782893/mcshay-new-no-1-qb-featured-updated-top-32-nfl-draft



http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/ncaa/500/2449.png?w=110&h=110&transparent=true8. Carson Wentz (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/49988/carson-wentz), QB, North Dakota State
I've finally had time to study enough tape on the top QBs to put Wentz No. 1, slightly ahead of Jared Goff (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/49986/jared-goff). Wentz has the frame (6-foot-5¼, 233 pounds). He has the arm. He can make all the throws -- even in cold, windy weather. He's a mobile QB who extends plays with his feet. And in the most important areas of QB evaluation -- mental makeup and accuracy -- Wentz grades out extremely high.
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/ncaa/500/25.png?w=110&h=110&transparent=true9. Jared Goff (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/49986/jared-goff), QB, Cal*
Goff has great physical tools -- a smooth stroke, a near-elite arm, ideal height -- and the high football IQ that NFL teams look for in college QBs. He'll pick up the pro game quickly from a mental standpoint. I wish he had a little more bulk on his wiry frame, but that's something he can address over time.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

So a day after Em called Wentz 12th best, some dude named Todd McShay has bumped him into the top QB spot. xcoolx

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/14782893/mcshay-new-no-1-qb-featured-updated-top-32-nfl-draft



When every other draft "expert", NFL scout or GM has him at the very least the #3 ranked QB, how can EM think he is the #12 ranked QB w/o having some type of agenda...?......xrolleyesx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Wentz? He'll go TOP 10-15 for sure.

Would I take him there? No. I'd be more comfortable in the 25-40 range with him, but given his position and today's draft climate if he falls below 13-15 I'd be shocked.


I hope he goes to a team where he can sit and learn from a veteran QB for a year or two but if he goes top 15, then he might be thrust into playing too soon.

But I think with CW's mental make up and character, he could handle the situation and succeed.

[BisonFan02]

The Emory "czar" Hunt QB "big board":

1. Cardale Jones
2. Dalyn Williams
2. Trevone Boykin
4. Cody Kessler
5. Jared Goff
6. Jacoby Brissett
7. Vernon Adams
8. Dak Prescott
9. Connor Cook
10. Vad Lee
11. Kyle Washington
12. Carson Wentz


Nope......I'm not kidding.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

The Emory "czar" Hunt QB "big board":

1. Cardale Jones
2. Dalyn Williams
2. Trevone Boykin
4. Cody Kessler
5. Jared Goff
6. Jacoby Brissett
7. Vernon Adams
8. Dak Prescott
9. Connor Cook
10. Vad Lee
11. Kyle Washington
12. Carson Wentz


Nope......I'm not kidding.



Holy crap.....xeekxxwhistlexxpissedx


1/2 of those guys will not even be drafted IMO.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

#1 - Cardale Jones
#2 - Dalyn Williams......are you kidding me....6 foot 190 QB the 2nd ranked QB?......wow.....

[BisonTru]

When every other draft "expert", NFL scout or GM has him at the very least the #3 ranked QB, how can EM think he is the #12 ranked QB w/o having some type of agenda...?......xrolleyesx

Em's just spitting chit out looking for home runs. If Jones turns out, he looks like a prophet, if he doesn't he'll never bring it up. He was high on Johnny Manziel, Geno Smith, and Russell Wilson. Guess which name he'll bring up. He also will rank a bunch of guys year out, year in that will never get drafted. If one turns out to be like Romo, I'm sure he'll never shut up about it.

What's odd, is IMO, the next possible Russell Wilson is Dak Prescott which by AwfulwhiteQBs standard ranking system he's pretty low on. We'll see, I'll place my bets on Wentz, might be a really fun read in a couple years.

[smallcollegefbfan]

4th round prospect and the #12 ranked QB......xlolx

What a moron!

Let's see, NFL scouts and GMs and even ESPN's McShay and Mel Kiper have him #1 or #2 QB.....boy, EM must really see something everyone else doesn't....xrolleyesx

I'm still laughing at the #12 ranked QB....xlolx

Well, in his defense I have not seen any NFL GM or scout come out and publicly say he is that high but anyone who has seen him knows he is worst case a 2nd round prospect. I don't know of any NFL scout who has not given him at least a 2nd round grade personally and I think he has to be a top 5 QB on a list. He has too many ideal tools and comes from a pro style system.

Emory probably did that to create buzz. Many people in this business will say outrageous things just to get page views and create debate. It is either that or he is way off all the others.

[smallcollegefbfan]

#1 - Cardale Jones
#2 - Dalyn Williams......are you kidding me....6 foot 190 QB the 2nd ranked QB?......wow.....

LOL

[clenz]

Uh oh

Emory is on the offensive now. Yelling racism at the top of his Twitter lungs

[BisonFan02]

Uh oh

Emory is on the offensive now. Yelling racism at the top of his Twitter lungs

B Halvorson ‏@BHalvorson (https://twitter.com/BHalvorson) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BHalvorson/status/700179498596085761)
B Halvorson Retweeted Emory Hunt
@AwfulWhiteQBs (https://twitter.com/AwfulWhiteQBs) #AwfulWhiteQBs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/AwfulWhiteQBs?src=hash) Keep fighting the good fight guys....

B Halvorson added,
Emory Hunt @FBallGameplan@SundayFiasco - Apparently I'm full of #hate ---> http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?33418-Carson-Wentz/page823 …





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Felt necessary....

[BisonFan02]

He mad.....twitter war impending. Stand by...he's tweeting pics of me now. xlolx

[BisonFan02]

LOL....@AwfulWhiteQBs liked my tweet about fighting the good fight...hope he doesn't think I'm serious. xlolx

[BisonTru]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22241&stc=1

No Hype, No Bias. LOL.

[BisonFan02]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22241&stc=1

No Hype, No Bias. LOL.

Yup.....none. xlolx Notice one of the likes in your pic?

[BisonTru]

Yup.....none. xlolx Notice one of the likes in your pic?

Sure do. I like their twitter response.


Nothing else like it as far as scouting media is concerned.

You sir are correct. Crazy you like his work so much. xlolx

[BisonFan02]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/696876875352657920/4BeB9Rq9_normal.pngAwful White QBs @AwfulWhiteQBs (https://twitter.com/AwfulWhiteQBs)

@BHalvorson (https://twitter.com/BHalvorson) @FBallGameplan (https://twitter.com/FBallGameplan) Just a fan of their work. Nothing else like it as far as scouting media is concerned.




Follow (https://twitter.com/BHalvorson)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1639440869/Ballin_normal.jpgB Halvorson @BHalvorson (https://twitter.com/BHalvorson)

@AwfulWhiteQBs (https://twitter.com/AwfulWhiteQBs) @FBallGameplan (https://twitter.com/FBallGameplan) Won't argue with you there...its unique.
12:04 AM - 18 Feb 2016 (https://twitter.com/BHalvorson/status/700199120741363712)

[BisonFan02]

http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/20291/291/126/uniquex_display.jpg

[FargoBison]

Emory probably did that to create buzz. Many people in this business will say outrageous things just to get page views and create debate. It is either that or he is way off all the others.

I thought that at first, right before the FCS title game he tweeted out something about Dartmouth's QB being better then Wentz. I was like WTF and then I thought he was just out trying to generate hits.

But then I see his QB big board and mock draft stuff and the guy is just in a different reality. I am not sure if this just a QB thing or if he is this terrible across the board. When it comes to QB's he seems to love stats and doesn't care a lot about measurables. It just seems so amateur. It is like he believes Carson and Jensen are similar QBs because of their numbers. I want to be like put Carson in EWU's or JMU's offense and he would throw for a trillion yards but would be a worse NFL product because of it.

I hated his analysis of Wentz. It was like lets show all the bad deep balls he threw as a junior and then paint him as a guy that can't make that pass. I am like why not show the UNI game where he is winning the game with putting balls right where they need to be? But I guess that would destroy his narrative that CW is way overrated. That is the kind of analysis that I hate.

[smallcollegefbfan]

The Emory "czar" Hunt QB "big board":

1. Cardale Jones
2. Dalyn Williams
2. Trevone Boykin
4. Cody Kessler
5. Jared Goff
6. Jacoby Brissett
7. Vernon Adams
8. Dak Prescott
9. Connor Cook
10. Vad Lee
11. Kyle Washington
12. Carson Wentz


Nope......I'm not kidding.

Kyle Washington can barely throw. He is big and can run but he doesn't have a NFL arm and has no shot at getting drafted, I don't think.

Dalyn Williams is a really good football player but nowhere near the upside to be the 2nd best QB in the NFL.

This guy is just trying to put off the wall stuff to get attention or he has no clue what he is watching. I hate to say that because Emory is nice but that is just plain crazy. I think you guys giving him all this attention on your forum and here is what he wants. Stop sharing his stuff and ignore it and he won't win like he is now. He wants the page hits and you guys have been giving it to him. By the looks of those ratings, they don't deserve it.

Wentz has same pos and neg that Brock Jensen has? Nobody who actually watches tape or knows football would ever say that. They are complete opposites when it comes to physical tools.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I thought that at first, right before the FCS title game he tweeted out something about Dartmouth's QB being better then Wentz. I was like WTF and then I thought he was just out trying to generate hits.

But then I see his QB big board and mock draft stuff and the guy is just in a different reality. I am not sure if this just a QB thing or if he is this terrible across the board. When it comes to QB's he seems to love stats and doesn't care a lot about measurables. It just seems so amateur. It is like he believes Carson and Jensen are similar QBs because of their numbers. I want to be like put Carson in EWU's or JMU's offense and he would throw for a trillion yards but would be a worse NFL product because of it.

I hated his analysis of Wentz. It was like lets show all the bad deep balls he threw as a junior and then paint him as a guy that can't make that pass. I am like why not show the UNI game where he is winning the game with putting balls right where they need to be? But I guess that would destroy his narrative that CW is way overrated. That is the kind of analysis that I hate.

It is called being a box score scout when you only love stats. Those type of scouts either don't watch film or don't really know what they are watching and thus use stats to back up what they say because they can't break down film.

Now, if Wentz is a bust and out of the league and Dalyn Williams is playing 5-10 years and ends up being a starter then he will look like a genius but I don't see any shot of that happening. Worst case he is right about Wentz because Wentz ends up in a bad place that tends to ruin QBs, but that is not always the fault of the player. There have been bad situations that really made it hard on a player and so I don't always blame the player for being overrated or a bust. Some things they can't control.

[Professor Chaos]

Kiper has Wentz up to #2 in his latest mock draft: http://espn.go.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/14787148

[BisonFan02]

Kiper has Wentz up to #2 in his latest mock draft: http://espn.go.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/14787148

I'm torn whether Cleveland is a good idea for Wentz or not. As a Raiders fan (yeah...I know), I was a big fan of Hue Jackson and, in Raiders true form, didn't keep him in 2011. The key is going to be, will the Browns let Jackson do what he needs to do to win? Or is he DOA?

[smallcollegefbfan]

I'm torn whether Cleveland is a good idea for Wentz or not. As a Raiders fan (yeah...I know), I was a big fan of Hue Jackson and, in Raiders true form, didn't keep him in 2011. The key is going to be, will the Browns let Jackson do what he needs to do to win? Or is he DOA?

Cleveland has not done a very good job with rookie QBs. If I'm Carson it is not about the fit in their scheme as much as do I want to play for that franchise? He fits the ideal pro style QB and he can be a dual threat so I'm sure he could fit almost anywhere.

My only questions on Wentz are just that he needs more experience and to be more consistent with the deep ball but he has all the tools. If developed correctly he should be a good NFL starter within 1-2 years of getting drafted.

[Professor Chaos]

I'm torn whether Cleveland is a good idea for Wentz or not. As a Raiders fan (yeah...I know), I was a big fan of Hue Jackson and, in Raiders true form, didn't keep him in 2011. The key is going to be, will the Browns let Jackson do what he needs to do to win? Or is he DOA?
Yeah, I'd prefer to see Wentz go somewhere else even if that's lower in the draft. Cleveland's owner seems like a loose cannon a la Dan Snyder in Washington in the early 2000s so I wouldn't count on Hue Jackson and staff being there very long. I'd rather see Wentz go somewhere with an established coaching staff and better ownership. The worst thing for a young QB in the NFL is to lose his coaching staff after his first year or two. The new staff that comes in always seems to want to get "their guy" in there instead.

[BisonTru]

Cleveland has not done a very good job with rookie QBs. If I'm Carson it is not about the fit in their scheme as much as do I want to play for that franchise? He fits the ideal pro style QB and he can be a dual threat so I'm sure he could fit almost anywhere.

My only questions on Wentz are just that he needs more experience and to be more consistent with the deep ball but he has all the tools. If developed correctly he should be a good NFL starter within 1-2 years of getting drafted.

Cleveland isn't my first choice, but I really don't want to see him go to SF. That franchise isn't well run, and I'm not convinced Kelly's offense will work in the NFL. If it does work, I think more credit would go to Kelly than Wentz.

Arizona would be an ideal fit, IMO. Houston and L.A. would also be nice fits as they both have solid defenses. I'm luke warm on Philadelphia. The Bills and Jets would be better fits than the Browns, IMO.

Outside of that I would rather he be thrown to the wolves than sit behind someone for 3+ years like Mallet. Honestly I don't see any team in the top half of the first round drafting a multi-year back up that early. Non the less, this is an abnormal year with the quarterback needy teams more evenly spread throughout vs. usually most/all QB needy teams towards the top.

[BisonTru]

It is called being a box score scout when you only love stats. Those type of scouts either don't watch film or don't really know what they are watching and thus use stats to back up what they say because they can't break down film.

Now, if Wentz is a bust and out of the league and Dalyn Williams is playing 5-10 years and ends up being a starter then he will look like a genius but I don't see any shot of that happening. Worst case he is right about Wentz because Wentz ends up in a bad place that tends to ruin QBs, but that is not always the fault of the player. There have been bad situations that really made it hard on a player and so I don't always blame the player for being overrated or a bust. Some things they can't control.

This is spot on and Em's game. If Wentz and Lynch are busts, happens often at the QB position, and/or Cardale Jones and Dalyn Williams are successful he looks like a prophet and will be quick to remind everyone of his rankings. When that doesn't happen no one will remember and he'll never bring it up. You can go check out his past rankings (trust me this is a chore flipping through the shear amount of videos he puts outs), but he misses more often than anybody, but he'll always point out the few he was higher on that worked out or the busts he was lower than the rest.

[smallcollegefbfan]

This is spot on and Em's game. If Wentz and Lynch are busts, happens often at the QB position, and/or Cardale Jones and Dalyn Williams are successful he looks like a prophet and will be quick to remind everyone of his rankings. When that doesn't happen no one will remember and he'll never bring it up. You can go check out his past rankings (trust me this is a chore flipping through the shear amount of videos he puts outs), but he misses more often than anybody, but he'll always point out the few he was higher on that worked out or the busts he was lower than the rest.

What is partly funny is all the attention you guys are giving him on the other board and this one. Before you give attention to anyone you should ask whether they are paid for their opinion to evaluate players? If they are not paid for it, then their opinion is no better than any average fan or regular person on the street.

People who simply say crazy things to point to the 1-2 things right they say a year are not good scouts, heck they are not even scouts, and probably should not be given all that attention. I have nothing against him because I do not know him but I just don't see what all the fuss is about it. I only commented because it appeared people needed to hear someone who actually works in the business explain how it is lol. Just focus on the legit media outlets and you guys will be fine. Don't legitimize something that does not deserve it.

[BisonFan02]

What is partly funny is all the attention you guys are giving him on the other board and this one. Before you give attention to anyone you should ask whether they are paid for their opinion to evaluate players? If they are not paid for it, then their opinion is no better than any average fan or regular person on the street.

People who simply say crazy things to point to the 1-2 things right they say a year are not good scouts, heck they are not even scouts, and probably should not be given all that attention. I have nothing against him because I do not know him but I just don't see what all the fuss is about it. I only commented because it appeared people needed to hear someone who actually works in the business explain how it is lol. Just focus on the legit media outlets and you guys will be fine. Don't legitimize something that does not deserve it.

Some general thoughts on why it probably gets attention versus other typical youtube rubes:

1) He's visible on AGS and Bisonville....Em has promoted his "materials" (game previews, other misc FCS stuff) on these forums.
2) FCS Wedge radio....this one hits me especially...considering I helped get them on a local station in ND...also had enjoyed their materials/interviews
3) FCS Wedge/Fargo fundraiser....I/We stuck our necks out to cover virtually their entire trip expense...where Em was a recluse and no where to be found when he arrived.

I think the potential nature/bias of the ratings is also a red flag that is causing more discussion than normal as well.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Some general thoughts on why it probably gets attention versus other typical youtube rubes:

1) He's visible on AGS and Bisonville....Em has promoted his "materials" (game previews, other misc FCS stuff) on these forums.
2) FCS Wedge radio....this one hits me especially...considering I helped get them on a local station in ND...also had enjoyed their materials/interviews
3) FCS Wedge/Fargo fundraiser....I/We stuck our necks out to cover virtually their entire trip expense...where Em was a recluse and no where to be found when he arrived.

I think the potential nature/bias of the ratings is also a red flag that is causing more discussion than normal as well.

Why did you guys spend your own money on someone you did not really know without waiting a couple years to see if they are legit? I can't believe he asked or accepted that. I have had coaches offer to help me pay for stuff to get me on their campus for a game and fans offer to do things for me but I will not do it. The FCS Wedge asked me to be on their show once and I politely declined because I honestly felt they should be talking to FCS media instead of a scout.

I don't know Emory and I know he promotes his stuff but just because someone promotes it does not mean it is worth attention.

The NFL pays me money to provide scouting reports and consult on player selection for games, combines, pro days, etc but you don't see me promoting my reports and all. The people who promote their stuff the most are usually the ones who are hoping to get advertising dollars because nobody legit will pay them LOL.

[BisonFan02]

Why did you guys spend your own money on someone you did not really know without waiting a couple years to see if they are legit? I can't believe he asked or accepted that. I have had coaches offer to help me pay for stuff to get me on their campus for a game and fans offer to do things for me but I will not do it. The FCS Wedge asked me to be on their show once and I politely declined because I honestly felt they should be talking to FCS media instead of a scout.

I don't know Emory and I know he promotes his stuff but just because someone promotes it does not mean it is worth attention.

The NFL pays me money to provide scouting reports and consult on player selection for games, combines, pro days, etc but you don't see me promoting my reports and all. The people who promote their stuff the most are usually the ones who are hoping to get advertising dollars because nobody legit will pay them LOL.

Just giving ya some ideas/rationale on why it gets critiqued more than others on here. xthumbsupx The whole "Bring the FCS Wedge to Fargo" thing started with the NDSU/Montana game and AGS get together...a chance to bring the FCS Wedge guys to Fargo for a game/tailgate/festivities. Many of our fellow AGS posters were also in attendance (even some strange fella that likes UNI xlolx ) and it was genuinely a good time.

I get where you are coming from though...and I take your opinions a HELL of alot more serious than most out there...especially since you are coming from a position with alot more credible information.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Just giving ya some ideas/rationale on why it gets critiqued more than others on here. xthumbsupx The whole "Bring the FCS Wedge to Fargo" thing started with the NDSU/Montana game and AGS get together...a chance to bring the FCS Wedge guys to Fargo for a game/tailgate/festivities. Many of our fellow AGS posters were also in attendance (even some strange fella that likes UNI xlolx ) and it was genuinely a good time.

I get where you are coming from though...and I take your opinions a HELL of alot more serious than most out there...especially since you are coming from a position with alot more credible information.

I appreciate that! I try to bring honesty and look at players fairly. I know sometimes when I say things like Marcus Williams wont get drafted or Zack Hodges is overrated and won't get drafted or make a 53-man roster that it might sound weird but I usually don't say something weird unless I know 100% or have some inside information as to why it will not happen. What I say may not always be popular but I say what I do because I have either observed things different in the NFL world or I know something that might not be public opinion.

[BisonFan02]

I appreciate that! I try to bring honesty and look at players fairly. I know sometimes when I say things like Marcus Williams wont get drafted or Zack Hodges is overrated and won't get drafted or make a 53-man roster that it might sound weird but I usually don't say something weird unless I know 100% or have some inside information as to why it will not happen. What I say may not always be popular but I say what I do because I have either observed things different in the NFL world or I know something that might not be public opinion.

I know the feeling about not having popular opinions...not many Bison fans would accuse me of being an overly biased rube....right IBY? xlolx I've probably been a debbie downer to a fault at times. Trying to remember what my thoughts were on Marcus at the time he was going through the draft/UDFA process....I think I anticipated him being a LATE draft pick and most definitely a UDFA with the probability of making a roster....was pretty surprised when he only caught on with the practice squad in Houston/NYJ. IMHO, he badly needs to improve on his tackling versus having a "deer in a headlights" look to him...otherwise, he is going to have a tough time being an every down starting NFL CB going forward.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I know the feeling about not having popular opinions...not many Bison fans would accuse me of being an overly biased rube....right IBY? xlolx I've probably been a debbie downer to a fault at times. Trying to remember what my thoughts were on Marcus at the time he was going through the draft/UDFA process....I think I anticipated him being a LATE draft pick and most definitely a UDFA with the probability of making a roster....was pretty surprised when he only caught on with the practice squad in Houston/NYJ. IMHO, he badly needs to improve on his tackling versus having a "deer in a headlights" look to him...otherwise, he is going to have a tough time being an every down starting NFL CB going forward.

I got murdered back when I said he would be a PFA and 50/50 to make a NFL roster. He was overrated by the media. Very good player but not quite the top 100 pick the media had him rated as.

[BisonFan02]

I got murdered back when I said he would be a PFA and 50/50 to make a NFL roster. He was overrated by the media. Very good player but not quite the top 100 pick the media had him rated as.

xlolx yeah, I think I remember some of that....probably some of the biggest fury coming from the biggest Marcus "fanboy" Lakesbison.

[smallcollegefbfan]

xlolx yeah, I think I remember some of that....probably some of the biggest fury coming from the biggest Marcus "fanboy" Lakesbison.

And I don't mind even though nobody ever comes back through and says you are right but I have noticed less and less people call me out over the years. ChattownMocs told me I was crazy that BJ Coleman would go 7th round and be a 3rd string type QB while Demetrius McCray would go higher than him and be a better pro. He has yet to come back and admit to me that one. While nobody ever comes back and says anything I remember them all! :)

[BisonFan02]

And I don't mind even though nobody ever comes back through and says you are right but I have noticed less and less people call me out over the years. ChattownMocs told me I was crazy that BJ Coleman would go 7th round and be a 3rd string type QB while Demetrius McCray would go higher than him and be a better pro. He has yet to come back and admit to me that one. While nobody ever comes back and says anything I remember them all! :)

I wouldn't hold your breath there....I'm still in line too. :D The annual "Chatty rules" thread is an offseason treat...was fun debating NDSU versus Chatty D two years ago (especially at the DL/DE position). One of these days, Chatty/NDSU are going to meet in the postseason...would take a OOC game too. I think the world would stop turning after that gameday thread. xlolx

[superman7515]

I got murdered back when I said he would be served a PFA...

FTFY

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Some general thoughts on why it probably gets attention versus other typical youtube rubes:

1) He's visible on AGS and Bisonville....Em has promoted his "materials" (game previews, other misc FCS stuff) on these forums.
2) FCS Wedge radio....this one hits me especially...considering I helped get them on a local station in ND...also had enjoyed their materials/interviews
3) FCS Wedge/Fargo fundraiser....I/We stuck our necks out to cover virtually their entire trip expense...where Em was a recluse and no where to be found when he arrived.

I think the potential nature/bias of the ratings is also a red flag that is causing more discussion than normal as well.



Did he even say "Thank you"?

[BisonFan02]

Did he even say "Thank you"?

Don't remember.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Don't remember.


Geeez...that would be the first thing I would do if someone paid for my trip....xrolleyesx

[clenz]

Don't remember.

He had a prestigious 4 star solo dinner to get too. We may not have been able to hear it from our group at a different bar.

[BisonFan02]

He had a prestigious 4 star solo dinner to get too. We may not have been able to hear it from our group at a different bar.

xlolx I think we went the better route with the food/fun anyway. xthumbsupx I did catch him the day of the game for a few minutes in the tailgate lot, but that was it...

[smallcollegefbfan]

Geeez...that would be the first thing I would do if someone paid for my trip....xrolleyesx

That would have been the first and the second would have been to take those who paid for it out to buy them a drink or a meal or whatever they prefer.

I was at a school visit once and a GM (who makes way way more than me) who I had just met bought my lunch and I thanked him about 3 or 4 times for it. My lunch was maybe 8 bucks at Subway. I could not imagine how much I would thank someone for spending the money you guys did.

[BisonTru]

Ranking landing spots.


I've read a ton of quarterback rankings, but Wentz success at the next level will depend at least somewhat on where he lands. I ranked a few teams I feel need to find their quarterback of the future. I also left a few thoughts on teams that may draft him that don't need him at least in the next couple seasons. I'm a little mixed on whether I'd rather see him thrown to the wolves vs. sit for 3-4 years. Ideally sitting for 1-2 years is the best route, but outside of Arizona most teams don't fit that bill. I've also included Denver and Washington which I don't think they know if they have their guy or not, and also if they can get their guy signed.


1. Arizona Cardinals - Would love this spot. Carson Palmer had a career year in AZ last year, and he looked old. Wentz could sit for a year and then take over the reigns of a franchise that has a ton of pieces in place. Unfortunately, slim chance he last even long enough for the Cards to trade up a handful of spots to snag him.


2. Houston Texans - Another team with a lot of pieces in place. Hopkins is an elite WR just coming into his prime, and with that defense Wentz shouldn't need to score 30 to win games. They may push him to start earlier than he may be ready with Hoyer being well, average all day. At the moment it doesn't look great for the Texans to land Wentz although trading up into the teens may be an option if he falls there.


3. LA Rams - The Rams also have a very good defense, although they just let 2 big pieces go. They do have plenty of cap room, though, to add in free agency. Tavon Austin and Todd Gurley are very talented weapons on the ground and in space that teams will have to game plan to contain. The more resources teams put towards those two the less they have to attack Wentz and the passing game. The Rams are certainly in play, although Wentz would most likely have to get past CLE, SF, and Phi.


4. Denver Broncos - The Broncos need to go to the top of the list if they don't sign Osweiler long term. Unfortunately I'm guessing they lock him up, and then the Broncos should be off the table both as a decent landing spot and having much of a chance at landing Wentz.


5. Buffalo Bills - The Bills have a solid defense and Rex hasn't really had a good quarterback. Sammy Watkins is a dangerous weapon as well. Rex's teams will most likely always feature a respectable defense. I'm luke warm on Tyrod Taylor and honestly didn't watch a ton of Bills games this season, but I think Wentz would have a solid chance to beat him out at least in a year or two.


6. New York Jets - Geno Smith isn't the answer, and it sounds like the Jets want Bryce Petty to win the job in the future, but he couldn't unseat Smith nor Fitzpatrick last season. The Jets also have Decker and Marshal who are both at the back end of their careers, but are solid veteran wide receivers that would nicely fit with a rookie quarterback. The Jets would need Wentz to fall a ways or to trade up to get him.


7. Cleveland Browns - This is a scary landing spot for most Wentz/Bison fans and while I don't love it, I can see Wentz becoming the quarterback that ends the revolving door they've had for the last couple decades. Hue Jackson has a good track record with quarterbacks. The team doesn't feature a ton of playmakers, but Duke Johnson is a good pass catching option out of the back field and Josh Gordon was dominate a couple years ago. Who knows how he'll be coming back from missing almost two years, but if he can be 80-90% of what he was that would be a great target for a rookie QB. However, even if Gordon comes back as an All-Star he's a sip of beer away from ending his pro career. This is probably the most likely landing spot. Goff and Wentz seem to be a coin flip decision at the moment. We really don't know what NFL GMs are thinking, but if the media scouts have this pegged accurately there's maybe a 50% chance he is playing in Cleveland.


8. Philadelphia Eagles - Philly's tough to judge. Chip Kelly left this franchise a mess and it's pretty up in the air how they will look moving forward. But there is some talented players like Jordan Matthews and DeMarco Murray. If the Eagles can't get a deal done with Bradford and that seems like an uphill battle at the moment, if Wentz is there this could also be a likely marriage.



9. Washington Redskins - Just like Denver the D.C. would move up the in the rankings if they parted ways with Cousins. All signs point to them franchising him at this point. If that happens the plus if Wentz lands here is they are not committed long term to Cousins so if Wentz can start winning over coaches they can part ways with Cousins without owing him anything outside of 2016. Unlikely he falls this far and also unlikely Washington would trade up, but if he is sitting there I'd think they should consider the pick.


10. San Francisco 49ers - Absolutely hate this spot. The Chip Kelly experiment failed in Philly. I don't see why it would work in SF. Add in his best target is an over the hill Boldin. I wouldn't be shocked if both Kelly and whoever his QB is, are looking for a job in the next few seasons. Fortunately I also think Kelly is arrogant enough to think he can make his system work without a high caliber QB and hopefully passes on Wentz.


Teams with a veteran QB


San Diego, Dallas, Baltimore, NY Giants, Chicago, New Orleans are all picking in the top half of the draft and realistically may have a shot to pick Wentz. I truly believe San Diego may be the team most likely to pull the trigger. They drafted Rivers when they had Brees, and Brees was much younger than Rivers is now. There's also some rumors they really like Wentz. Dallas has been a popular spot among mock drafts, but I think it's fairly unlikely. It does make sense to grab Romo's successor now, but Jerry Jones is a win now guy who I see falling in love with a Bosa or Buckner. The Ravens, Giants, Bears, and Saints are all spots he could end up. He'd both need to fall to them and they'd also need to be sold on Wentz to forgo a first round pick for a guy that will only hold a clipboard for the next few seasons. Hard to fall in love with those spots, but it's hard to hate them either.


Green Bay, Kansas City, and Pittsburgh are also intriguing sit-for-awhile landing spots, but are more than likely not going to get the opportunity to pick him if they even would. Packers did it when Rodgers dropped. I could easily see them doing it again if the stars align. New England wouldn't be a bad landing spot, but he'd have to fall to the late second round for them to get the opportunity. That's not going to happen.


The rest of the teams have a younger quarterback and at least to me it doesn't make much sense for Wentz or their franchise to draft him.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I know Pitt is a long shot but they would be a great fit for CW. Sit behind big Ben for a couple of years then step in and kick butt!

[BisonFan02]

........................

The rest of the teams have a younger quarterback and at least to me it doesn't make much sense for Wentz or their franchise to draft him.

Which is exactly why my Raiders should/would take him! Its the "Raiders way" to make a first round selection that leaves you scratching your head. xlolx

*to be fair...things have improved DRASTICALLY recently

[344Johnson]

I know Pitt is a long shot but they would be a great fit for CW. Sit behind big Ben for a couple of years then step in and kick butt!

If Ben leaves before 2020 I'd be shocked. QB's can play forever now.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

If Ben leaves before 2020 I'd be shocked. QB's can play forever now.


Big Ben will not be playing in 2020, he is injury prone. That is not the norm.

[344Johnson]

Big Ben will not be playing in 2020, he is injury prone. That is not the norm.

You realize that is only 4 more seasons right?

[Professor Chaos]

Wentz, along with all the other top QB prospects, will throw at the combine: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000637869/article/top-college-qbs-will-all-throw-at-nfl-scouting-combine

Glad to see the last 2 QB classes buck this trend of the top QBs not throwing at the combine.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

You realize that is only 4 more seasons right?


Yes. Big Ben, IMO, will not be playing in 2020.

[BisonFan02]

Yes. Big Ben, IMO, will not be playing in 2020.

Here's an interesting thought. Who's career is over first, Big Ben or Romo?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Here's an interesting thought. Who's career is over first, Big Ben or Romo?


Good question. Probably Romo. Big Ben is probably more durable than Romo.

[BisonFan02]

Good question. Probably Romo. Big Ben is probably more durable than Romo.

I agree...but it is food for thought. Both are hanging on...

[Bisonoline]

Did anyone see Wentz on the whiteboard with Mariucci? Wow.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Did anyone see Wentz on the whiteboard with Mariucci? Wow.



Ya, really impressive!!

[Professor Chaos]

Yep, that was pretty cool to watch: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000639625/Carson-Wentz-goes-to-school-with-Mooch

I love it when Wentz chides Mariucci saying "you didn't let me finish".

Peter King also devoted an extensive part of his MMQB column this morning to Wentz. A lot of good stuff in here: http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/28/carson-wentz-nfl-draft-combine-north-dakota

It'll be fun to see Wentz and Gruden go at it whenever they do that.

[BisonFan02]

I wanna see Wentz with Caliendo. xlolx

[Professor Chaos]

I wanna see Wentz with Caliendo. xlolx
Those were awesome. The best was Gruden on Gruden:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHfmwROXDAI

"Show me green right slot albacore 3 Y quesadilla!"

"What are ya doin' there man?!? That's frankenberry 3 xbox 460..... c'mon man!!!"

[344Johnson]

Here's an interesting thought. Who's career is over first, Big Ben or Romo?

Romo is two years older. Romo has had more injuries. Ben plays for a contender. I think Ben is around until he's 39 or 40.

[BisonFan02]

Romo is two years older. Romo has had more injuries. Ben plays for a contender. I think Ben is around until he's 39 or 40.

This confirms it. Big Ben will DEFINITELY be the first QB to die. xlolx

[FootballCEO]

Love you guys

[BisonFan02]

Love you guys

xlolx #AwfulWhiteQBs You are really something else Em...

[BisonFan02]

Love you guys


xlolx #AwfulWhiteQBs You are really something else Em...

Also, move these two posts (mine included) with the FCS discussion thread to spam/smack/delete.

[344Johnson]

This confirms it. Big Ben will DEFINITELY be the first QB to die. xlolx

Who dies first is an entirely different discussion. My money would be on Ben dying first. :( Probably after a nasty battle with a foodborne illness after eating too much raw meat.

[BisonFan02]

Who dies first is an entirely different discussion. My money would be on Ben dying first. :( Probably after a nasty battle with a foodborne illness after eating too much raw meat.

xlolx okay, maybe using the literal term "die" was a bit harsh....substitute, "makes a gracious exit out of the National Football League" instead. xthumbsupx

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

Big Ben dies first. Nostradamus say's he'll have an allergic reaction or cardiac event as a result of accidentally roofie-ing himself.......

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Love you guys


Surprised you showed up here.

Gotta love your Wentz ranking on your youtube site. #12 ranked QB? Really?

A lot of those guys you have above CW will not even be drafted. I guess all the other "experts" have no clue.....

[smallcollegefbfan]

Surprised you showed up here.

Gotta love your Wentz ranking on your youtube site. #12 ranked QB? Really?

A lot of those guys you have above CW will not even be drafted. I guess all the other "experts" have no clue.....

Last year nobody thought I was right about Zack Hodges of Harvard not getting drafted and not making a team. I had so many people tell me I was crazy and that he was a top 100 pick. He was never more than 5th-7th round type value and with his off field concerns he was never going to get drafted. Maybe he knows something about Wentz that myself and most NFL people don't know yet? lol

[BisonFan02]

Last year nobody thought I was right about Zack Hodges of Harvard not getting drafted and not making a team. I had so many people tell me I was crazy and that he was a top 100 pick. He was never more than 5th-7th round type value and with his off field concerns he was never going to get drafted. Maybe he knows something about Wentz that myself and most NFL people don't know yet? lol

Clearly, Rep 1 is paying you guys to hype Wentz and Goff.....or nah? xlolx

[smallcollegefbfan]

Clearly, Rep 1 is paying you guys to hype Wentz and Goff.....or nah? xlolx

I don't think McShay or Kiper or Mayock need an agent to pay them because their companies pay them well over 6 figures.

Rep 1 Sports recruited those guys because they target elite quarterbacks and knew they would be high picks. The way he talked it up it sounded like he was saying Kiper and McShay rank them high because Rep 1 paid them too. I don't get why NFL teams are indeed drafting them as well unless he is implying that teams draft players based on who the agent is?

I hear people all the time say this guy will make it if given a shot. NFL teams will draft, sign, or give a tryout to almost 1500 draft eligible players. Anyone who lights up a pro day, dominates in college, and/or has NFL physical tools is given a shot. If a player is good enough they will either make it as a rookie or keep working and make it at some point. There are a few who just don't pursue the pros but these guys who are pursuing the NFL will make it somewhere if they are good enough.

[BisonFan02]

I don't think McShay or Kiper or Mayock need an agent to pay them because their companies pay them well over 6 figures.

Rep 1 Sports recruited those guys because they target elite quarterbacks and knew they would be high picks. The way he talked it up it sounded like he was saying Kiper and McShay rank them high because Rep 1 paid them too. I don't get why NFL teams are indeed drafting them as well unless he is implying that teams draft players based on who the agent is?

I hear people all the time say this guy will make it if given a shot. NFL teams will draft, sign, or give a tryout to almost 1500 draft eligible players. Anyone who lights up a pro day, dominates in college, and/or has NFL physical tools is given a shot. If a player is good enough they will either make it as a rookie or keep working and make it at some point. There are a few who just don't pursue the pros but these guys who are pursuing the NFL will make it somewhere if they are good enough.

It should be noted that my post was sarcastic. I 100% agree with your point about Rep 1 Sports recruiting the guys that are going to "go high" and are elite. Look at their history of representing QBs.

I don't think my basic questions/inquiries in my other post are too earth shattering and difficult to answer. Em has a grouping of 12 QBs that he is high on....many of whom are not currently getting attention for one reason or another among "NFL people"...at least to the point I haven't heard anyway. There are some viewpoints that are REALLY hammered by the @AwfulWhiteQBs account that would explain a mentality/slight for a few guys in his top 12 (especially top 3 with Jones, Williams, and Boykin). Do I believe in them? Nope....but I am curious if there isn't SOME sort of initial bias/mentality when watching film and power ranking prospects that doesn't at least slightly reflect/sympathize with that agenda.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Last year nobody thought I was right about Zack Hodges of Harvard not getting drafted and not making a team. I had so many people tell me I was crazy and that he was a top 100 pick. He was never more than 5th-7th round type value and with his off field concerns he was never going to get drafted. Maybe he knows something about Wentz that myself and most NFL people don't know yet? lol


Where would you grade CW right now?

The NFL has become a "QB league" and I will acknowledge that many guys have been taken higher than they are probably deserving to be taken but it is what it is right now with QBs.

Even with my green/yellow glasses, after watching a lot of the QBs at the combine, I do not see many, if any, better than CW right now. Goff could be but IMO, CW is better.

What do you think?

[clenz]

I don't think McShay or Kiper or Mayock need an agent to pay them because their companies pay them well over 6 figures.

Rep 1 Sports recruited those guys because they target elite quarterbacks and knew they would be high picks. The way he talked it up it sounded like he was saying Kiper and McShay rank them high because Rep 1 paid them too. I don't get why NFL teams are indeed drafting them as well unless he is implying that teams draft players based on who the agent is?

I hear people all the time say this guy will make it if given a shot. NFL teams will draft, sign, or give a tryout to almost 1500 draft eligible players. Anyone who lights up a pro day, dominates in college, and/or has NFL physical tools is given a shot. If a player is good enough they will either make it as a rookie or keep working and make it at some point. There are a few who just don't pursue the pros but these guys who are pursuing the NFL will make it somewhere if they are good enough.
Hell, Terrell Sinkfield got 5 shots at an NFL career strictly because he ran a hand timed 4.19 at a pro day.

He had zero hands, zero route running ability, and a terrible attitude at that time and got into 5 camps....

[BisonFan02]

Where would you grade CW right now?

The NFL has become a "QB league" and I will acknowledge that many guys have been taken higher than they are probably deserving to be taken but it is what it is right now with QBs.

Even with my green/yellow glasses, after watching a lot of the QBs at the combine, I do not see many, if any, better than CW right now. Goff could be but IMO, CW is better.

What do you think?

I've got Wentz and Goff as 1a) and 1b)....and I could argue both ways until I was blue in the face. If I'm Cleveland, Wentz is the better fit....unless he 100% has to start IMMEDIATELY....then I may go Goff even though he isn't as good of a fit in the AFC North.

It drops off from there...Lynch is going to need the right situation...Hackenberg could sneak up on the draft (doubtful though). Connor Cook could slide....Boykin has no shot. Adams is an interesting topic....I personally see a guy that would absolutely KILL it in the CFL, but he definitely has a shot to catch on with a team. Woodrum is a depth guy...nothing crazy, but could be a UDFA guy. Sudfeld looked like hot garbage. Prescott is a guy I'm probably higher on than most...absolutely no one else stood out to me...negative or positive.

One could argue (crazy hot take here... xlolx ) that Cardale Jones wasn't even the best Ohio State Quarterback this year at the NFL combine...let alone the #1 QB prospect in the draft. I wouldn't personally go that far...but it is an interesting thought.

SmallCollegeFBFan,

How many QBs do you see drafted total and how many (roughly) do you see ending up as UDFA? When I sat down and tried to plug guys in, I ended up with WAY too many on my UDFA list...and I know it won't be that long.

[BisonFan02]

Good insight here....

http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl-draft/2016/03/01/defendants-brief-reply-draft-evaluators-v-carson-wentz/

[smallcollegefbfan]

It should be noted that my post was sarcastic. I 100% agree with your point about Rep 1 Sports recruiting the guys that are going to "go high" and are elite. Look at their history of representing QBs.

I don't think my basic questions/inquiries in my other post are too earth shattering and difficult to answer. Em has a grouping of 12 QBs that he is high on....many of whom are not currently getting attention for one reason or another among "NFL people"...at least to the point I haven't heard anyway. There are some viewpoints that are REALLY hammered by the @AwfulWhiteQBs account that would explain a mentality/slight for a few guys in his top 12 (especially top 3 with Jones, Williams, and Boykin). Do I believe in them? Nope....but I am curious if there isn't SOME sort of initial bias/mentality when watching film and power ranking prospects that doesn't at least slightly reflect/sympathize with that agenda.

I figured it was sarcastic. I was just saying that because I don't think he had heard it put like that before or maybe was not thinking that way. Anyone who thinks Kiper, Jeremiah, McShay or Mayock need an agent to pay them has no clue what TV folks make. Those guys make more in a month than 100% of the draftniks make in a year or two.

[clenz]

One could argue (crazy hot take here... xlolx ) that Cardale Jones wasn't even the best Ohio State Quarterback this year at the NFL combine...let alone the #1 QB prospect in the draft. I wouldn't personally go that far...but it is an interesting thought.

He wasn't the best OSU qb at the combine.

He was the third, at best, best QB at OSU.

[BisonFan02]

He wasn't the best OSU qb at the combine.

He was the third, at best, best QB at OSU.

Well, you went there. xlolx :D

[clenz]

Well, you went there. xlolx :D
True.

I do, however, watch a lot of B10 football and saw nearly 4 times as many OSU games this year than Emory did on Wentz (I watched 11 OSU games to Emory's 3 NDSU games).

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/bc/8a/8b/bc8a8b6fa47f06ce6c341709dd9125cb.jpg

[BisonFan02]

True.

I do, however, watch a lot of B10 football and saw nearly 4 times as many OSU games this year than Emory did on Wentz (I watched 11 OSU games to Emory's 3 NDSU games).

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/bc/8a/8b/bc8a8b6fa47f06ce6c341709dd9125cb.jpg

Yeah...but you are just a Michigan rube. :D I would have to defer to you on B10 football. I did catch some this year, but it wasn't really heavy on my ESPN3 re-watch list or DVR'd games via the B1G network. I KNOW I caught more non-NDSU MVFC games (and maybe even more Big Sky games) than I did B1G.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I've got Wentz and Goff as 1a) and 1b)....and I could argue both ways until I was blue in the face. If I'm Cleveland, Wentz is the better fit....unless he 100% has to start IMMEDIATELY....then I may go Goff even though he isn't as good of a fit in the AFC North.

It drops off from there...Lynch is going to need the right situation...Hackenberg could sneak up on the draft (doubtful though). Connor Cook could slide....Boykin has no shot. Adams is an interesting topic....I personally see a guy that would absolutely KILL it in the CFL, but he definitely has a shot to catch on with a team. Woodrum is a depth guy...nothing crazy, but could be a UDFA guy. Sudfeld looked like hot garbage. Prescott is a guy I'm probably higher on than most...absolutely no one else stood out to me...negative or positive.

One could argue (crazy hot take here... xlolx ) that Cardale Jones wasn't even the best Ohio State Quarterback this year at the NFL combine...let alone the #1 QB prospect in the draft. I wouldn't personally go that far...but it is an interesting thought.

SmallCollegeFBFan,

How many QBs do you see drafted total and how many (roughly) do you see ending up as UDFA? When I sat down and tried to plug guys in, I ended up with WAY too many on my UDFA list...and I know it won't be that long.


Last year was the worst year for QBs in a long time based on the draft.

Draft- 7
Signed- 13
Tryouts- 30

So 50 total got a shot.

[clenz]

Yeah...but you are just a Michigan rube. :D I would have to defer to you on B10 football. I did catch some this year, but it wasn't really heavy on my ESPN3 re-watch list or DVR'd games via the B1G network. I KNOW I caught more non-NDSU MVFC games (and maybe even more Big Sky games) than I did B1G.
I caught all Michigan games
11 OSU games
13 Iowa Games
Probably 2 or 3 game of every other B10 school with Wisconsin being closer to 5 than 2
7ish Iowa State games

I caught, at least a quarter of every single MVFC conference game and really tired to get a half or more of each. I watched a highlight package from both schools about each game and read the recap of each game from each school.

I watched:
every UNI game full
8 or 9 full NDSU games on top of the highlight packages and other games being about 2 quarters
4 or 5 full SDSU games on top of the highlight packages and other games being about 2 quarters
4 or 5 full ISUr games on top of the highlight packages and other games being about 2 quarters
4 full SIU games on top of the highlight packages and other games being about 2 quarters
3 full WIU games on top of the highlight packages and other games being about 2 quarters
2 or 3 full ISUb games on top of the highlight packages and other games being about 2 quarters
2 or 3 full USD games on top of the highlight packages and other games being about 2 quarters
2 or 3 full YSU games on top of the highlight packages and other games being about 2 quarters
I tortured myself through 2 or 3 full MSU games games on top of the highlight packages and other games being about 2 quarters

Now, those numbers include the UNI game against that team. Between reading here, watching the games, and doing research for The Wedge I had a pretty good handle on the MVFC in terms of total team talent level.

Now, could I name an all conference team on my own? Sure, but I would struggle like crazy with the OL. I don't have the eye to pick out footwork in the different schemes to compare teams to teams. Hand placement, etc... I would never pretend to know that. I can pick out who looks good but couldn't rank them without outside help.

I also would have a hard time going "This is an NFL guy" beyond the obvious ones for the same reason as the OL. I can see who's good but don't have the eye to see translation to the NFL beyond the more obvious guys.

You'd think as much as I watch the games I'd be better at it, but I'm not. It's why I, for the most part, can't get too involved in comparing NFL guys like this



EDIT***
Also watched a lot of quarters of every FCS game I could catch on ESPN3 with teams I was trying to rank or games I found interesting, plus FBS games I wanted to watch.


Damn, I need a life outside of watching football....and grad school is really going to kill my football vibe for a few years:(

[BisonFan02]

*deleted* No need to have that here too....moving on.

[Professor Chaos]

I thought this article was one of the best I've read during the pre-draft process. Bleacher Report interviews NDSU's OC Tim Polasek. Bison fans I'm sure will find it more interesting than non-Bison fans but it really illustrates well all the pre-snap and post-snap reads Wentz was tasked with making.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2620894-north-dakota-state-offensive-coordinator-explains-carson-wentzs-draft-ascension

[BisonFan02]

I thought this article was one of the best I've read during the pre-draft process. Bleacher Report interviews NDSU's OC Tim Polasek. Bison fans I'm sure will find it more interesting than non-Bison fans but it really illustrates well all the pre-snap and post-snap reads Wentz was tasked with making.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2620894-north-dakota-state-offensive-coordinator-explains-carson-wentzs-draft-ascension

Its a good read....a shade heavy on the "Bison Rube" fest, but the insight about how Wentz prepares/works outweighs the bad.

[BisonTru]

Thinking back to NDSU's game against UNI in '14 arguably the worst game for Wentz certainly statistically. There's 4 current NFL players that played in that game including David Johnson. There are 3 guys from that game that are locks to be drafted and make a roster including Wentz. There's a half a dozen free agent maybe seventh rounders that will be in training camps that may make a roster. That's not including any of the Sophomore or Freshman that were in that game, and I think Deluca, Z Johnson, Farley, and Menard may have a very good shot at the NFL (probably missing a few more from UNI).

It's realistic that there may have been 10+ future NFL players playing that day.

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Thinking back to NDSU's game against UNI in '14 arguably the worst game for Wentz certainly statistically. There's 4 current NFL players that played in that game including David Johnson. There are 3 guys from that game that are locks to be drafted and make a roster including Wentz. There's a half a dozen free agent maybe seventh rounders that will be in training camps that may make a roster. That's not including any of the Sophomore or Freshman that were in that game, and I think Deluca, Z Johnson, Farley, and Menard may have a very good shot at the NFL (probably missing a few more from UNI).

It's realistic that there may have been 10+ future NFL players playing that day.
UNI had David Johnson and Xavier Williams drafted last year. OL Jack Rummels bounced around camps and practice squads this year. Will have Deiondre Hall drafted this year with Makinton Dorleant an far outside shot at late round but certainly a PFA. Another big year from Tyvis Smith and he likely gets a late draft grade after this year. Brett McMakin and Tim Kilfoy will get looks for sure, don't know if they'll stick anywhere though. Farley the younger has a shot.

That's 8 from UNI's side alone in that game, plus UNI tends to have one or two OL a year that made NFL camps/practice squads. If I had to guess Robert Rathje, who is a senior this coming year, gets a shot, he was a sophomore in that game. So, 9 likely NFL roster guys from UNI on that game. NDSU probably had 9 or 10 on the field that day as well.

Not too many FCS games will put that kind of talent on the field.

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UNI had David Johnson and Xavier Williams drafted last year. OL Jack Rummels bounced around camps and practice squads this year. Will have Deiondre Hall drafted this year with Makinton Dorleant an far outside shot at late round but certainly a PFA. Another big year from Tyvis Smith and he likely gets a late draft grade after this year. Brett McMakin and Tim Kilfoy will get looks for sure, don't know if they'll stick anywhere though. Farley the younger has a shot.

That's 8 from UNI's side alone in that game, plus UNI tends to have one or two OL a year that made NFL camps/practice squads. If I had to guess Robert Rathje, who is a senior this coming year, gets a shot, he was a sophomore in that game. So, 9 likely NFL roster guys from UNI on that game. NDSU probably had 9 or 10 on the field that day as well.

Not too many FCS games will put that kind of talent on the field.

It's impressive. I wish the game would have turned out different. I've takin my wife to two road games, this one and Montana. She'll be staying home from now on.

To fill out the NDSU side. Emanuel is playing for the Chargers, Crockett made it off the PC and played some snaps late, possibly because of some dis taste for Lacy and the third string back. We know about Wentz, Haeg is getting drafted just unsure about the round. CJ Smith, Bonnet, LeCompte, Albers, Beck, and Vraa are all entering the process and I've listed them in order, IMO, on the likelihood they make a roster. LB DeLuca and OL Z Johnson both have chances of being draft-able next year and DE Menard and DL Tanguay the following year. And there's others that will at least get a shot in OTAs.

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It's impressive. I wish the game would have turned out different. I've takin my wife to two road games, this one and Montana. She'll be staying home from now on.

To fill out the NDSU side. Emanuel is playing for the Chargers, Crockett made it off the PC and played some snaps late, possibly because of some dis taste for Lacy and the third string back. We know about Wentz, Haeg is getting drafted just unsure about the round. CJ Smith, Bonnet, LeCompte, Albers, Beck, and Vraa are all entering the process and I've listed them in order, IMO, on the likelihood they make a roster. LB DeLuca and OL Z Johnson both have chances of being draft-able next year and DE Menard and DL Tanguay the following year. And there's others that will at least get a shot in OTAs.
Yeah, I only went with those I remember seeing on the field. I'm sure there are a few that will get a shot out of UNI too.

Not many programs have that kind of talent top to bottom - Montana, NDSU, UNI, UD used too, and a couple others?

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Hey Emory: I know you troll this thread.

Just watched your "2016 Small College Football Draft" and I am really excited to see Dalyn Williams go in the top-10 and the "gem" that no other scout has heard about, Kyle Washington from Angelo State. You are head and shoulders above every other NFL scout out there. I almost forgot about Vad Lee from JMU. Looking forward to hearing his name called also.

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Hey Emory: I know you troll this thread.

Just watched your "2016 Small College Football Draft" and I am really excited to see Dalyn Williams go in the top-10 and the "gem" that no other scout has heard about, Kyle Washington from Angelo State. You are head and shoulders above every other NFL scout out there. I almost forgot about Vad Lee from JMU. Looking forward to hearing his name called also.

It's not where they WILL be drafted. It is where they SHOULD be drafted. Remember Emory the Czar, CEO, Founder is smarter than all the NFL execs and scouts. When they aren't successful quarterbacks in 4 years it's because they weren't allowed the opportunity that the Johnny Nabisco's got. Building a NFL team and playing quarterback are easy at least for Mr. Hunt. Why doesn't some team pay this man?xdontknowx