MVFC 2016 Edition

[goyotes]

Any if one picture is good, a second picture is even better

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23761&stc=1

[IBleedYellow]

Also, USD fans, you can throw around your endowment all you want...your athletic budget is funded 60.72% by student fees. Y'all need 9M of your 14M budget...those Alums are clearly helping A TON!.

Holy ****. Go back to DII.

[Professor Chaos]

Is....Is this what it's like when NDSU and UND fans start gribbling?

I feel like this is what it's like when NDSU and UND fans start gribbling.

Yuck.
Neither SDSU or USD fans are as xcrazyx as UND fans.... so it's probably not as bad.

[POD Knows]

Also, USD fans, you can throw around your endowment all you want...your athletic budget is funded 60.72% by student fees. Y'all need 9M of your 14M budget...those Alums are clearly helping A TON!.

Holy ****. Go back to DII.

These USD guys remind me of the UND guys that say, "if you want to work on the farm, go to NDSU, but if you want to own the farm, go to UND, even though UND has trailed NDSU in average grad salaries for as long as I can remember.

The average grad salary for SDSU is 43,500 and 40,800 for USD but these "University" guys think they are upper Midwest Harvard grads. Scum as **** with nothing to back it up.

[OSBF]

Lol, so everyone that goes to SDSU has an agricultural education and is in The Pride or the FarmHouse frat? I have an Electrical Engineering degree, and I actually crossed enemy lines and got my MBA, but I did it online so I didn't have to step foot in that disgusting town. I know those lists suck, I was making a point on the fact that you can't just use a random list as backing for Vermillion being better than Brookings. Now the Casey's argument that was brought up holds some weight, and unless you are going to build another Casey's anytime soon, you're going to have to settle for being the lesser college town.

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[dewey]

Is....Is this what it's like when NDSU and UND fans start gribbling?

I feel like this is what it's like when NDSU and UND fans start gribbling.

Yuck.

This is actually kind of funny. You are right this probably exactly how it is when UND tries to squabble with NDSU.

Dewey

[OSBF]

Any if one picture is good, a second picture is even better

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23761&stc=1

TECHNICALLY speaking, looks more like a heifer than a cow, at least it isn't a steer with a kiss the "cow" sign..................

Must be a little lacking in horticulture, that was a TERRIBE prune job on that tree in the background, left way too much projection with the bark all grown up around the cut like that.

[Yotes21]

These USD guys remind me of the UND guys that say, "if you want to work on the farm, go to NDSU, but if you want to own the farm, go to UND, even though UND has trailed NDSU in average grad salaries for as long as I can remember.

The average grad salary for SDSU is 43,500 and 40,800 for USD but these "University" guys think they are upper Midwest Harvard grads. Scum as **** with nothing to back it up.

We will see if the donations and average salaries will be the same with the ag markets not looking good and farms will have to adjust. Personally, I hope they improve for the sake of our state. I won't knock ag because it is the driving force of our state. I just don't understand why a kid who will inherit the farm and knows how to run the farm already would need a 4 year degree. It's not like they have to prepare a resume and beat out other job suitors for something they know they already will have. To each their own.

[Yotes21]

Hmmm, if your endowment is so large, where is all of that money going? http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/state-university-students-would-pay-hundreds-more-under-next-round/article_327e8259-abe6-57a8-a3d9-ceb5ab9f4e14.html

2017 Student Fees for SD schools:

USD $55.63
Mines $48.80
SDSU $43.87
BHSU $43.80
DSU $38.75
NSU $36.10

Are these numbers even accepted yet? I know U wanted to increase slightly last year and were unable to do so so the proposed increase is factoring that number in.

[dewey]

Any if one picture is good, a second picture is even better

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23761&stc=1

Kiss a SDSU cheerleader contest?

I couldn't help the cheerleader joke.xlolx

Dewey

Dewey

[mango433]

We will see if the donations and average salaries will be the same with the ag markets not looking good and farms will have to adjust. Personally, I hope they improve for the sake of our state. I won't knock ag because it is the driving force of our state. I just don't understand why a kid who will inherit the farm and knows how to run the farm already would need a 4 year degree. It's not like they have to prepare a resume and beat out other job suitors for something they know they already will have. To each their own.

Here's a crazy thought, not everyone that graduates from SDSU -- or NDSU -- has a degree that has anything to do with ag. Maybe that kid doesn't want the farm, maybe he wants to do something different.

[OSBF]

We will see if the donations and average salaries will be the same with the ag markets not looking good and farms will have to adjust. Personally, I hope they improve for the sake of our state. I won't knock ag because it is the driving force of our state. I just don't understand why a kid who will inherit the farm and knows how to run the farm already would need a 4 year degree. It's not like they have to prepare a resume and beat out other job suitors for something they know they already will have. To each their own.

Simple answer, "farming" today is science and technology
Chemistry, botany, plant physiology, plant morphology Geographic Information Systems, etc etc etc

[dewey]

Any if one picture is good, a second picture is even better

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23761&stc=1

Kiss a SDSU cheerleader contest?

I couldn't help the cheerleader joke.xlolx

Dewey

[clenz]

THUNDERING HERS!

[dewey]

Here's a crazy thought, not everyone that graduates from SDSU -- or NDSU -- has a degree that has anything to do with ag. Maybe that kid doesn't want the farm, maybe he wants to do something different.

I proudly went to NDSU and graduated with a Bachelors of Science in Civil Engineering. However the UXD's favorite joke is the farm jokes.

Dewey

[Yotes21]

Lol, so everyone that goes to SDSU has an agricultural education and is in The Pride or the FarmHouse frat? I have an Electrical Engineering degree, and I actually crossed enemy lines and got my MBA, but I did it online so I didn't have to step foot in that disgusting town. I know those lists suck, I was making a point on the fact that you can't just use a random list as backing for Vermillion being better than Brookings. Now the Casey's argument that was brought up holds some weight, and unless you are going to build another Casey's anytime soon, you're going to have to settle for being the lesser college town.

I will give you +1 rep just for having a USD degree. So when you were making fun of my USD degree essentially you were making fun of yourself even more considering you got a higher degree from the U.

[Thumper 76]

Is....Is this what it's like when NDSU and UND fans start gribbling?

I feel like this is what it's like when NDSU and UND fans start gribbling.

Yuck.
Yes it is, except it tends to be more widespread with you guys xlolx

[Yotes21]

Here's a crazy thought, not everyone that graduates from SDSU -- or NDSU -- has a degree that has anything to do with ag. Maybe that kid doesn't want the farm, maybe he wants to do something different.

Putting words in my mouth again. State has plenty of other degrees, but that is a large majority and the main difference between the schools hence the jokes. Like I said I will not knock ag, but that is the ribbing we issue much like state fans who rib for docs, lawyers, businessmen, ect. Nothing wrong with either.

[Yotes21]

I wasn't a member of either, and I don't have any involvement in the pig auction or the beef auction during the beef bowl. It's ok, I know that you're jealous that we actually have donors and alumni with money that can contribute to SDSU athletics instead of having to hike up student fees to asinine levels to be able to cover USD's athletic department expenses.

Agreed, SDSU grads do seem to care a lot more about the athletics and donate more. Maybe they hide that in their increasing "depreciation" deductions; I kid.

[POD Knows]

We will see if the donations and average salaries will be the same with the ag markets not looking good and farms will have to adjust. Personally, I hope they improve for the sake of our state. I won't knock ag because it is the driving force of our state. I just don't understand why a kid who will inherit the farm and knows how to run the farm already would need a 4 year degree. It's not like they have to prepare a resume and beat out other job suitors for something they know they already will have. To each their own.

You must be a city boy, you ever tried to run a decent farming operation, it is way more complex than you think. Full disclosure, I haven't farmed either but am real familiar with the scope and complexity of these operations as I work in the capital goods business that supports Ag.

[POD Knows]

Yes it is, except it tends to be more widespread with you guys xlolx

That is because UND sucks a lot more than USD does.

[CappinHard]

I will give you +1 rep just for having a USD degree. So when you were making fun of my USD degree essentially you were making fun of yourself even more considering you got a higher degree from the U.

Let's be honest. An MBA degree in general, let alone one from USD, is worth about as much as the paper as it's printed on. Don't tell my employer that, because they paid for the tuition and gave me a raise after I got it. For some reason employers seem to think that it makes employees worth more, and it definitely makes a resume stand out, but imo in terms of the education that one receives, it's not much. I didn't learn a whole lot more than I already knew, and I was only a couple years out of college. So, did I get a degree from USD? Yes. Am I particularly proud of it and think that it holds much weight and care about making fun of the institution I received it from? Not really.

[OSBF]

You must be a city boy, you ever tried to run a decent farming operation, it is way more complex than you think. Full disclosure, I haven't farmed either but am real familiar with the scope and complexity of these operations as I work in the capital goods business that supports Ag.

We need an auger cart and a JD 8400 type/size tractor
What sorta deal could you give us?

[Professor Chaos]

That is because UND sucks a lot more than USD does.
UND sucks and SDSU and USD blow.... ****in' windy in Fargo!

[Yote84]

Another note, it's even better when your smack is fact based and indisputable instead of spouting the same bull ***** every time.


Like the same old jokes about a town being a dump and trailer park.

Noted.

[Thumper 76]

Like the same old jokes about a town being a dump and trailer park.

Noted.
Like he said, fact based. So this passes muster.

[POD Knows]

We need an auger cart and a JD 8400 type/size tractor
What sorta deal could you give us?

:D Wrong color

[goyotes]

Agreed, SDSU grads do seem to care a lot more about the athletics and donate more. Maybe they hide that in their increasing "depreciation" deductions; I kid.

That must be the reason that there was so much demand for seats in Sec. 179 of the Dykhouse stadium

[IBleedYellow]

I think we all just need to have some Casey's and sing kumbiaya.

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[BisonFan02]

We need an auger cart and a JD 8400 type/size tractor
What sorta deal could you give us?

I can help! :)

[CappinHard]

I think we all just need to have some Casey's and sing kumbiaya.

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I'll stop now. I forgot how much I hated USeD fans and the college and town in general. I'll save it for the game thread in a couple weeks.

[Thumper 76]

I'll stop now. I forgot how much I hated USeD fans and the college and town in general. I'll save it for the game thread in a couple weeks.
This is gunna be fun. Much better than the kumbaya crap on sdsufans where we all pretend we like each other and root for each other.

[Yote84]

Let's be honest. An MBA degree in general, let alone one from USD, is worth about as much as the paper as it's printed on. Don't tell my employer that, because they paid for the tuition and gave me a raise after I got it. For some reason employers seem to think that it makes employees worth more, and it definitely makes a resume stand out, but imo in terms of the education that one receives, it's not much. I didn't learn a whole lot more than I already knew, and I was only a couple years out of college. So, did I get a degree from USD? Yes. Am I particularly proud of it and think that it holds much weight and care about making fun of the institution I received it from? Not really.

So your MBA in return gave you a higher salary and better job opportunities but its not worth the paper its written on?

[CappinHard]

So your MBA in return gave you a higher salary and better job opportunities but its not worth the paper its written on?

In practicality, not really imo. It's just another sheepskin to throw on the wall and something to make a resume stand out. It's becoming so popular that its importance is getting watered down, much like a lot of higher education in general.

[Yotes21]

You must be a city boy, you ever tried to run a decent farming operation, it is way more complex than you think. Full disclosure, I haven't farmed either but am real familiar with the scope and complexity of these operations as I work in the capital goods business that supports Ag.

It can be complex. My point is if you work on this farm your whole life I would think your father would teach you this stuff. I know farmers with 0 education that work some very large operations. A lot of them also have outside help with their decisions and have seen many make bad decisions. I am a city boy who works closely with farmers so yes I am aware.

[Yotes21]

In practicality, not really imo. It's just another sheepskin to throw on the wall and something to make a resume stand out. It's becoming so popular that its importance is getting watered down, much like a lot of higher education in general.

I get what you are saying but if your salary is increased because of it that is the entire purpose. An MBA today is like having an undergrad 25 years ago because so many people go to college now.

[wow]

Haha. I like our donors;
SDSU endowment-104.9 million
USD endowment-213.6 million

Without Dykhouse you would still be parking your combines outside for winter instead of that nice machine shed he built you. Plus we actually give FCOA to all of our football players not a select few who win a game of BINGO first week of school.

Team gets a new stadium that doesn't have grass/mud as a playing surface and all of sudden they are Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack.

I've never seen these in our machine shed. I have witnessed them in your "football stadium" though.

http://ktiv.images.worldnow.com/images/3155681_G.jpg

[wow]

That must be the reason that there was so much demand for seats in Sec. 179 of the Dykhouse stadium

I think one of your farmer friends may have pulled one over on you, there is no section 179 in Dana J. Dykhouse Stadium.

[OSBF]

I've never seen these in our machine shed. I have witnessed them in your "football stadium" though.

http://ktiv.images.worldnow.com/images/3155681_G.jpg

hopefully you've got the good sense to buy the green ones.............

[RabidRabbit]

The group needs to be cleansed!!! W'sxsmiley_wix This a call for mirolax? 😰

[BisonFan02]

This a call for man honey? 😰

FIFY

[POD Knows]

hopefully you've got the good sense to buy the green ones.............

Ok, now you are getting nasty.

[PantherRob82]

WTF today. Is USD going to win the conference?

[Thumper 76]

Gunna be a brutal weekend for the predictions

[Drblankstare]

WTF are you doing SDSU. Seriously.

[Thumper 76]

WTF are you doing SDSU. Seriously.
We're being SDSU. We will always choke when we have a line on getting a seed.

[mmiller_34]

WTF are you doing SDSU. Seriously.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/a6/a62a93f93010826d4e3a662fe93e68677cc9c4eefa491f0bd4 910b6801792f08.jpg

But seriously. This is our defense:

https://media.tenor.co/images/7620daa31293cfa698450d5ec2a64a1b/tenor.gif

[Thumper 76]

Staying in the top 10 is overrated.

[ST_Lawson]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/a6/a62a93f93010826d4e3a662fe93e68677cc9c4eefa491f0bd4 910b6801792f08.jpg

But seriously. This is our defense:

https://media.tenor.co/images/7620daa31293cfa698450d5ec2a64a1b/tenor.gif

also applicable to Western Illinois right now

[Drblankstare]

This whole USD not being a dumpster fire really concerns me. This conference is too damn difficult, we need our bottom feeders to act as a quasi bye week for the good teams.

[Professor Chaos]

SDSU has Illinois St very overmatched with Weineke and Goedert. They need their defense to step up and get some pressure on Kolbe. I'd expect the SDSU offense to continue clicking coming out of the halftime break and I think this game will be tight coming down the stretch... SDSU hasn't blown it yet.

[mmiller_34]

SDSU has Illinois St very overmatched with Weineke and Goedert. They need their defense to step up and get some pressure on Kolbe. I'd expect the SDSU offense to continue clicking coming out of the halftime break and I think this game will be tight coming down the stretch... SDSU hasn't blown it yet.

Perhaps technically, but its like 90% certainty. A game like this happens every year. I've come to accept it.

[Thumper 76]

Might have put on my lucky shirt on just in time.....

[RabidRabbit]

The SDState offense is starting to click. More importantly. Jacks d is getting stops this 2nd half.

[Thumper 76]

Yet another game where we get robbed of a TD right in front of the officials......this is getting ridiculous.

[mmiller_34]

Holy cow. I am going to complain once about the refs then be done.

1. How is that not a TD from Weineke?
2. How is that not PI on the Redbird corner. He was pushing Geodert to the outside then once he saw it was under thrown he turns around and intercepts it. -- Regardless, terrible ball by Christion.

Also, I am so sick of these announcers.

[BisonFan02]

SDSU is getting screwed in this one.......

[RabidRabbit]

Then throw int in endzone.:pumpuke::pumpuke:

[Kemo]

Yet another game where we get robbed of a TD right in front of the officials......this is getting ridiculous.

Even with the crappy camera angle there was clearly green between foot and the sideline. That is a complete hose job, and I don't say things like that lightly.

[Thumper 76]

This is ridiculous.

[Drblankstare]

Far be it for me to make fun of someone's regional accent, but the way the play by play announcer says "Jacks" makes me laugh every time

[Schism55]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23782&stc=1

[BigGoosie13]

Death, taxes, and SDSU ****ting the bed against somebody we shouldn't...the three guarantees in life. Also, the Valley refs have officially screwed the Jacks out of two touchdowns this year...my butthole hurts.

[Drblankstare]

Crazy ass ending going down with USD and W Ill

[UNIFanSince1983]

WIU holds on after a huge comeback.

[mmiller_34]

If Indiana State holds on and UNI wins; the Jacks will remain in first, I believe.

[leatherneck177]

What a comeback! No better coach to do it against as well! Yotes are solid, D just let them down in second half.

[Thumper 76]

If Indiana State holds on and UNI wins; the Jacks will remain in first, I believe.
Jacks remain in first anyways don't they. Hold tiebreaker over YSU and NDSU. Not that it matters. The seed is completely lost. Classic SDSU choke job. Watch us drop another one and miss the playoffs.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

YSU just missed a FG. Their offense continues to sputter along....

[mmiller_34]

Jacks remain in first anyways don't they. Hold tiebreaker over YSU and NDSU. Not that it matters. The seed is completely lost. Classic SDSU choke job. Watch us drop another one and miss the playoffs.

I think the Jacks would still be in first regardless, but there would be more cushion if NDSU and YSU loses today.

But if we do drop another one, Having NDSU and YSU losing today would let us still be in first

[Thumper 76]

I think the Jacks would still be in first regardless, but there would be more cushion if NDSU and YSU loses today.

But if we do drop another one, Having NDSU and YSU losing today would let us still be in first
What do you mean "if" there is almost zero probability we don't finish the choke job. ZERO.

[Professor Chaos]

Jacks remain in first anyways don't they. Hold tiebreaker over YSU and NDSU. Not that it matters. The seed is completely lost. Classic SDSU choke job. Watch us drop another one and miss the playoffs.


I think the Jacks would still be in first regardless, but there would be more cushion if NDSU and YSU loses today.

But if we do drop another one, Having NDSU and YSU losing today would let us still be in first
You guys may not agree right now but I think SDSU still has a shot to be seeded at 8-3 (7-1) with the MVFC autobid. #6 or #7 seed is probably the max though.

I think they're still easily in the playoffs at 7-4 (6-2) as well.

[mmiller_34]

You guys may not think it now by I think SDSU still has a shot to be seeded at 8-3 (7-1) with the MVFC autobid. #6 or #7 seed is probably the max though.

I think they're still easily in the playoffs at 7-4 (6-2) as well.

Thank you for your positivity and logic. That is comforting.

[BigGoosie13]

May I ask, what is the point of mandated replay for teams, if you the broadcast only has 2-3 angles all from the same side of the field?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

You guys may not agree right now but I think SDSU still has a shot to be seeded at 8-3 (7-1) with the MVFC autobid. #6 or #7 seed is probably the max though.

I think they're still easily in the playoffs at 7-4 (6-2) as well.



Agree....a 7-4 Jacks squad is in the playoffs easily.

8-3 seed? IDK about that one though...

[Schism55]

Agree....a 7-4 Jacks squad is in the playoffs easily.

8-3 seed? IDK about that one though...
Agree. If teams in top 10 hold serve, Jacks do not get a seed.

[Professor Chaos]

Agree. If teams in top 10 hold serve, Jacks do not get a seed.
Obviously but it's highly unlikely everyone in the top 10 wins out (their FCS games). SDSU needs some help to get back into the seeds, and they need to win out, but they have some really good wins and 7-1 in the MVFC would command some respect.

[Thumper 76]

Obviously but it's highly unlikely everyone in the top 10 wins out (their FCS games). SDSU needs some help to get back into the seeds, and they need to win out, but they have some really good wins and 7-1 in the MVFC would command some respect.
The **** it will. The only way SDSU gets a seed is if a ****load of teams ahead of them **** all over themselves. Which I highly doubt. Especially considering who most teams ahead of them have left. Appreciate the dream, but there is ZERO CHANCE of this happening.

[BigGoosie13]

Also, a fake FG is really stupid on 4th and 17...with that said, I still like riverboat Stig.

[Thumper 76]

Also, a fake FG is really stupid on 4th and 17...with that said, I still like riverboat Stig.
Me too. That call is not what cost us the game. Its the fact the guys came out thinking they could just toss their helmets on the field and win against a desperate team.

[BigGoosie13]

Me too. That call is not what cost us the game. Its the fact the guys came out thinking they could just toss their helmets on the field and win against a desperate team.

I agree that it didn't cost us the game, but it was just another part in the accumulation of a massive pile of **** that this game was.

[mmiller_34]

Me too. That call is not what cost us the game. Its the fact the guys came out thinking they could just toss their helmets on the field and win against a desperate team.

I agree. I also like riverboat Stig.

[Thumper 76]

SDSU is incapable of handling success. We're completely ****ed next year when we get a high ranking, we'll be lucky to make the playoffs. #bookit

[mmiller_34]

SDSU is incapable of handling success. We're completely ****ed next year when we get a high ranking, we'll be lucky to make the playoffs. #bookit

Its been that way since 2009

[wow]

May I ask, what is the point of mandated replay for teams, if you the broadcast only has 2-3 angles all from the same side of the field?

2-3 angles enables MVFC officiating crew to get at least 25% of reviewable plays correct (targeting against Goedert in the endzone against NDSU for example).

That is better than 0%, I guess.

Poor officiating isn't the reason SDSU lost, but a few missed calls are salt in the wound.

[ST_Lawson]

My review of this last weekend: http://thefcswedge.com/mvfc/mvfc-week-9-review/

I've started doing my own discussion of the playoff situation, just how it applies to MVFC teams and getting to the 7-win mark. I know, I know...precedence has been set that a 6-5 can get in, but I don't see that being a regular occurrence most years. So, I'm operating under the assumption that for a MVFC team to be considered for an at-large, they need 7 wins.

[CappinHard]

2-3 angles enables MVFC officiating crew to get at least 25% of reviewable plays correct (targeting against Goedert in the endzone against NDSU for example).

That is better than 0%, I guess.

Poor officiating isn't the reason SDSU lost, but a few missed calls are salt in the wound.

The real salt in the wound would be the two TDs that should have been good.

#1. Lineman #73 was called for ineligible receiver downfield on this TD pass. First off, they said that the pass was thrown past the line of scrimmage, which is debatable. Second, the lineman was clearly not more than 3 yards downfield of the line of scrimmage when the pass was thrown or when it was caught (not sure which one they go off, I assume it's when it's thrown, but either way)


https://youtu.be/rfqvPi8-KzM?t=1m20s

#2. This one was a bigger deal. You be the judge... I'm pretty sure that even if the back of his left heel is on the ground, the human foot isn't long enough for it to be touching out of bounds. He had clear possession at this point and completed the pass to the ground. I couldn't find a youtube clip of this one, but you can go check out the watchespn replay if you want. This one would have tied the game, 28-28 with 11:21 left in the 4th. Both commentators were convinced that they would call it a TD after review and were very surprised when they didn't.

http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac299/benpierson/Wieneke%20TD_zpsyhaw8wvo.jpg

[UNIFanSince1983]

The first one really depends on when you deem that he had possession.

The second one is completely inconclusive. What was the call on the field? From the picture I can't determine that he has control right then. Especially considering his left arm is behind the defenders head at that point. I would have to watch the ESPN replay to know more. But that is one that seems like it would be hard to overturn a call on the field with replay.

[CappinHard]

The first one really depends on when you deem that he had possession.

The second one is completely inconclusive. What was the call on the field? From the picture I can't determine that he has control right then. Especially considering his left arm is behind the defenders head at that point. I would have to watch the ESPN replay to know more. But that is one that seems like it would be hard to overturn a call on the field with replay.

I was trying to look for the full explanation of that rule. Is it when the ball is thrown or when it is caught? Seems like it would be when the ball is thrown.

It's really hard to tell with a still picture, I know. If you go watch the replay, you'll see what I'm talking about and why the announcers (Illinois State announcers I might add) were certain it would be called a TD.

[Sycamore62]

The real salt in the wound would be the two TDs that should have been good.

#1. Lineman #73 was called for ineligible receiver downfield on this TD pass. First off, they said that the pass was thrown past the line of scrimmage, which is debatable. Second, the lineman was clearly not more than 3 yards downfield of the line of scrimmage when the pass was thrown or when it was caught (not sure which one they go off, I assume it's when it's thrown, but either way)

here's one from the ncaa case book. lineman cannot go over 3 yds downfield at any point before the pass is thrown. I think this is your question.

Approved Ruling 7-3-10I. Ineligible lineman A70 runs more than three yards beyond theneutral zone and does not make contact with an opponent. He FI-50 Rule 7 / snapping and passing the ballcircles toward the flank and returns across the neutral zone beforeA10 throws a legal forward pass that crosses the neutral zone.RULING: Ineligible downfield. Penalty—Five yards from theprevious spot.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Well if it is the rule on when it is thrown then that is absolutely a call that should have no been made. Not to mention 73 wasn't even the furthest one down the field on that play. If they were going to call it, it would have to be on the left guard not the right guard. And according to the rule book if it is when it is thrown everyone is at the line of scrimmage still. Far from 3 yards beyond. If it is when it is caught then yes the left guard is too far down, but that does not appear to be the rule.

[REALBird]

The first one really depends on when you deem that he had possession.

The second one is completely inconclusive. What was the call on the field? From the picture I can't determine that he has control right then. Especially considering his left arm is behind the defenders head at that point. I would have to watch the ESPN replay to know more. But that is one that seems like it would be hard to overturn a call on the field with replay.

First one was bang-bang. LOS was the ISU 45 yard line, the pass was high and the receive gets a hand on the ball at the LOS, but my guess is the ref didn't consider possession to take place until he brought it down and corralled it with two hands at the 44 yard line. By this point, the OL is on the 42 yard line almost parallel to the ref. The NCAA has made it a point to enforce this penalty by the letter of the rule this year. Could have seen this one easily being let go for a TD.

Agree....I'd have to watch the second one as well on replay.

[Thumper 76]

The first one really depends on when you deem that he had possession.

The second one is completely inconclusive. What was the call on the field? From the picture I can't determine that he has control right then. Especially considering his left arm is behind the defenders head at that point. I would have to watch the ESPN replay to know more. But that is one that seems like it would be hard to overturn a call on the field with replay.
I'm going to firmly state that we did not lose because of the refs. 10000% Did not lose because of the refs.

That being said. I would bet a massive amount of money that in that play Wieneke made that catch and we got screwed a second time out of a TD because the home team only had cameras on one side of the field. FFS we have one dude running around the sidelines to get video for highlights after the game and he managed to get a better angle than the Fargodome crew. I'm not sure whats more ironic about it though, because it has happened against the two teams whose fans were bitching the loudest last year when replay wasn't available at CAS. Is it more ironic that it happens to us against those teams as some karmic justice, or is it more ironic that for all their bitching they don't even have adequate enough camera angles to make replay even slightly useful?










Basically, what I'm saying is for every NDSU fan and ISUr fan who bitched about replay not being available in Brookings last year due to construction, your ****ing replay resources aren't even up to par to be useful, so GFY you arrogant twats.

[CappinHard]

here's one from the ncaa case book. lineman cannot go over 3 yds downfield at any point before the pass is thrown. I think this is your question.

Approved Ruling 7-3-10I. Ineligible lineman A70 runs more than three yards beyond theneutral zone and does not make contact with an opponent. He FI-50 Rule 7 / snapping and passing the ballcircles toward the flank and returns across the neutral zone beforeA10 throws a legal forward pass that crosses the neutral zone.RULING: Ineligible downfield. Penalty—Five yards from theprevious spot.

Well in that case it was an absolutely terrible call. I hate to even bring it up, but with how apologetic the MVFC was to Spack over calls in the previous game, I have a feeling that the refs might have been making sure to err on the side of calls going in ISUr's favor.

Also, I am not blaming the loss on the refs at all, we played terribly and deserved to lose. I'm just merely discussing a couple of plays that could have changed the game.

[Thumper 76]

Agree....I'd have to watch the second one as well on replay.
I'll put it this way. I was texting two of the Bison fans on this board who were openly rooting for SDSU to lose plus a UNI fan, and they couldn't believe that it wasn't called a TD.

[Thumper 76]

Well in that case it was an absolutely terrible call. I hate to even bring it up, but with how apologetic the MVFC was to Spack over calls in the previous game, I have a feeling that the refs might have been making sure to err on the side of calls going in ISUr's favor.
Another thing to remember that I had forgotten/not known about that was brought up on Coach Stig's radio show last night, is that the crews from the MVFC are the ones who grade out the lowest from the MVFC, MAC, the B1G, and possibly one more. So essentially when we start to get a good ref they are sent up the chain, while we get **** on for being the low man on the totem poll.

[Redbird007]

Another thing to remember that I had forgotten/not known about that was brought up on Coach Stig's radio show last night, is that the crews from the MVFC are the ones who grade out the lowest from the MVFC, MAC, the B1G, and possibly one more. So essentially when we start to get a good ref they are sent up the chain, while we get **** on for being the low man on the totem poll.

There is a solid reason for all schools to move up to FBS.

[Thumper 76]

There is a solid reason for all schools to move up to FBS.
TBH if thats the best reason, and right now to be honest it is from what I've seen, thats not a great reason.

[BisonFan02]

I'll put it this way. I was texting two of the Bison fans on this board who were openly rooting for SDSU to lose plus a UNI fan, and they couldn't believe that it wasn't called a TD.

I wasn't actively rooting against SDSU...... but yeah, that was a TD. xlolx

[wow]

I'm going to firmly state that we did not lose because of the refs. 10000% Did not lose because of the refs.

That being said. I would bet a massive amount of money that in that play Wieneke made that catch and we got screwed a second time out of a TD because the home team only had cameras on one side of the field. FFS we have one dude running around the sidelines to get video for highlights after the game and he managed to get a better angle than the Fargodome crew. I'm not sure whats more ironic about it though, because it has happened against the two teams whose fans were bitching the loudest last year when replay wasn't available at CAS. Is it more ironic that it happens to us against those teams as some karmic justice, or is it more ironic that for all their bitching they don't even have adequate enough camera angles to make replay even slightly useful?










Basically, what I'm saying is for every NDSU fan and ISUr fan who bitched about replay not being available in Brookings last year due to construction, your ****ing replay resources aren't even up to par to be useful, so GFY you arrogant twats.

Had not thought about that, but yes it is funny.

[Redbird007]

TBH if thats the best reason, and right now to be honest it is from what I've seen, thats not a great reason.

Certainly not a great reason...especially if we all moved up, the refs would too and we would have the same swill for refs! Just an annoying reality.

[Thumper 76]

Goederts TD that was called back should have counted as should have Wienekes TD that was reviewed and upheld as incomplete. Good thing those wouldn't have been huge game changing plays or that would be really upsetting. Seriously the league needs to get their ****ing **** together with this. Thats three touchdowns in two road games that the league admitted should have counted for SDSU. I hate complaining about the refs for any longer than maybe ten minutes after it happened but this is ridiculous.

http://www.argusleader.com/story/blogs/mattzimmer/2016/11/02/wieneke-goedert-touchdowns-should-have-counted/93173964/

[clenz]

I'll put it this way. I was texting two of the Bison fans on this board who were openly rooting for SDSU to lose plus a UNI fan, and they couldn't believe that it wasn't called a TD.
What's a TD pass?
What's football?

As I told you...it's basketball season. These are the only three point field goals I care about

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/2ac3ec793ce0aaf926efd16f9255cd65dfd9d1c0/c=0-0-2430-1827&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/03/06/IAGroup/DesMoines/635928818937666907-USATSI-9162417.jpg

This is the only type of drive I care about anymore
http://wac.b63f.edgecastcdn.net/80B63F/unipanthers-com/common/controls/image_handler.aspx?thumb_prefix=rp_primary&image_path=/images/2016/10/28/MLD_10_28_2016_21_26_23_52_6178.jpg

This is the only pass defense I care about anymore
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/fj69d1/picture45781935/ALTERNATES/FREE_640/UNC-BKB-SECONDARY


These are the only hail mary plays I care about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdFB3OGUaGU

https://youtu.be/GInl99kUdzY?t=1m16s




But yeah, that was a TD

[Thumper 76]

But yeah, that was a TD
And so was the long screen pass to Goedert according to the MVFC. When you get 14 points taken off the scoreboard its really ****ing tough to win on the road, especially if you come out flat. Both of those blown calls 100% altered the game big time. I was over this game, but now I'm nauseous again. God. ****ing. Damn it.

[wow]

Goederts TD that was called back should have counted as should have Wienekes TD that was reviewed and upheld as incomplete. Good thing those wouldn't have been huge game changing plays or that would be really upsetting. Seriously the league needs to get their ****ing **** together with this. Thats three touchdowns in two road games that the league admitted should have counted for SDSU. I hate complaining about the refs for any longer than maybe ten minutes after it happened but this is ridiculous.

http://www.argusleader.com/story/blogs/mattzimmer/2016/11/02/wieneke-goedert-touchdowns-should-have-counted/93173964/

At one point after a punt, the head official announced a penalty on the receiving team and another on the return team. Those penalties offset. First down! Comically bad officiating, just completely out of their depth. At least they didn't call us San Diego State. I guess that's something? Although the announcers kept calling us South Dakota. Baby steps.

[Professor Chaos]

We can talk hoops for a day. NDSU opens their new arena tonight in a men's basketball exhibition against Concordia-Moorhead.

http://www.bisonillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SHAC-SCHEELS-Center.jpg

http://www.bisonillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SHAC-SCHEELS-Center-6.jpg

[clenz]

Why are your seats 60 feet from the court?

There's also some really strange angles in there.

What's the reason for the completely disconnected seat sections and missing corners ?

[UNIFanSince1983]

Looks pretty nice, but are those retractable seats like you would see in a high school gymnasium?

[Professor Chaos]

Why are your seats 60 feet from the court?

There's also some really strange angles in there.

What's the reason for the completely disconnected seat sections and missing corners ?
Retractable seating. I'm not sure but I don't think the sideline sections are pulled all they way out yet in that picture.


Looks pretty nice, but are those retractable seats like you would see in a high school gymnasium?
Yup. I'm not going to complain though. That facility is light year, eons, whatever superlative you can think of, better than the old arena.

[clenz]

Looks pretty nice, but are those retractable seats like you would see in a high school gymnasium?
They are. One thing I've noticed is that as nice as it is it's not a basketball arena. It's a big building with a basketball court in it. It's why everything is retractable. It's why there's the strange angles - seriously you're 100 feet, or more, from the court in that upper left corner section.

If they'd have committed to an actual basketball arena that would be real damn nice. As nice as it is now, and it is pretty nice, it's a basketball floor in a multi purpose arena with seats.

[Professor Chaos]

They are. One thing I've noticed is that as nice as it is it's not a basketball arena. It's a big building with a basketball court in it. It's why everything is retractable. It's why there's the strange angles - seriously you're 100 feet, or more, from the court in that upper left corner section.

If they'd have committed to an actual basketball arena that would be real damn nice. As nice as it is now, and it is pretty nice, it's a basketball floor in a multi purpose arena with seats.
I agree it could be better but they made the best out of what they could do. Funding a capital project at a North Dakota university is a bitch after the president's house debacles at both UND and NDSU (look it up if you want - I don't want to get into it). The state required that pretty much every dime was lined up (through private fund raising) before any construction began. That meant no state issued bonds, no fee increases, no public funding whatsoever. For NDSU this was a massive, repeat M-A-S-S-I-V-E, effort to line up roughly $35M in private donations by former AD Gene Taylor over what was probably a 10 year process that began when the initial move to D1 was made to when construction plans were finalized in the summer of 2014.

I'm sure the university would've loved to raze the building to the ground and rebuild it but, not only would that have taken it out of commission for longer (they've basically gone without it for two years), it would've required more money be in place. The entire facility is much more than just a basketball arena also. It houses training facilities and/or locker rooms for pretty much every athletic program on campus along with amenities to make life easier for the student athletes. It's not perfect but it's a hell of an improvement.

[clenz]

I agree it could be better but they made the best out of what they could do. Funding a capital project at a North Dakota university is a bitch after the president's house debacles at both UND and NDSU (look it up if you want - I don't want to get into it). The state required that pretty much every dime was lined up (through private fund raising) before any construction began. That meant no state issued bonds, no fee increases, no public funding whatsoever. For NDSU this was a massive, repeat M-A-S-S-I-V-E, effort to line up roughly $35M in private donations by former AD Gene Taylor over what was probably a 10 year process that began when the initial move to D1 was made to when construction plans were finalized in the summer of 2014.

I'm sure the university would've loved to raze the building to the ground and rebuild it but, not only would that have taken it out of commission for longer (they've basically gone without it for two years), it would've required more money be in place. The entire facility is much more than just a basketball arena also. It houses training facilities and/or locker rooms for pretty much every athletic program on campus along with amenities to make life easier for the student athletes. It's not perfect but it's a hell of an improvement.
Understood and agree.

UNI is lucky to have what we have compared to most in the FCS. We had to go through a very similar process when we built the McLeod Center (opened in 2006). Thankfully by connecting it to the dome we already had the locker room, weight rooms, training rooms, etc.. all already in place so we could focus on a true basketball arena.

UNI also didn't have the funding base we have now so things were left off that shouldn't have been that are now going to cost more to add on than if we'd done it up front.

A section or two of retractable I get, but the entire facilitating needing to retract creates the distance, angle, open space, etc... issues. But still a big upgrade.

[UNIFanSince1983]

They are. One thing I've noticed is that as nice as it is it's not a basketball arena. It's a big building with a basketball court in it. It's why everything is retractable. It's why there's the strange angles - seriously you're 100 feet, or more, from the court in that upper left corner section.

If they'd have committed to an actual basketball arena that would be real damn nice. As nice as it is now, and it is pretty nice, it's a basketball floor in a multi purpose arena with seats.

Yeah as you can tell they are using it for practice as well which is why there are what looks like two full courts and possibly a half one at the end there. We are pretty spoiled here at UNI to have some of the facilities we do including the PEC for basketball practices. I will admit that is quite an upgrade for the Bizon.

[centennial]

Yeah as you can tell they are using it for practice as well which is why there are what looks like two full courts and possibly a half one at the end there. We are pretty spoiled here at UNI to have some of the facilities we do including the PEC for basketball practices. I will admit that is quite an upgrade for the Bizon.
As long as we can parlay this into stealing recruits from high mid majors. As of now we are recruiting better than we used to but not enough make any sustained runs in the dance. We need to win the Summit every year.

[Redbird007]

Goederts TD that was called back should have counted as should have Wienekes TD that was reviewed and upheld as incomplete. Good thing those wouldn't have been huge game changing plays or that would be really upsetting. Seriously the league needs to get their ****ing **** together with this. Thats three touchdowns in two road games that the league admitted should have counted for SDSU. I hate complaining about the refs for any longer than maybe ten minutes after it happened but this is ridiculous.

http://www.argusleader.com/story/blogs/mattzimmer/2016/11/02/wieneke-goedert-touchdowns-should-have-counted/93173964/


Couple of tough adverse calls that certainly had a significant impact on outcome of the game. BTW Goedert is a beast.

[Professor Chaos]

Yeah as you can tell they are using it for practice as well which is why there are what looks like two full courts and possibly a half one at the end there. We are pretty spoiled here at UNI to have some of the facilities we do including the PEC for basketball practices. I will admit that is quite an upgrade for the Bizon.
Yeah, it does expand out to two courts if necessary with the seats folded in. But they do have a separate practice facility in the complex as well:

http://www.bisonillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/SHAC-Nodak-Mutual-Basketball-Performance-Center.jpg

Honestly, I'm not quite sure why they wanted retractable seating in the main arena. It used to double as an indoor track facility before the renovation so the seats had to fold up to make room for the track but now the indoor track is in a separate facility altogether. I'm sure there had to be some reason for having the retractable seating though.... just not sure what that is.

[Redbird007]

We can talk hoops for a day. NDSU opens their new arena tonight in a men's basketball exhibition against Concordia-Moorhead.

http://www.bisonillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SHAC-SCHEELS-Center.jpg

http://www.bisonillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SHAC-SCHEELS-Center-6.jpg
What is capacity?

[Thumper 76]

As long as we can parlay this into stealing recruits from high mid majors. As of now we are recruiting better than we used to but not enough make any sustained runs in the dance. We need to win the Summit every year.
Yeah, because every team is so far beneath NDSU xcoolx

[Thumper 76]

Couple of tough adverse calls that certainly had a significant impact on outcome of the game. BTW Goedert is a beast.
Thats the way it goes, in the end SDSU didn't make the plays after the calls to win. Didn't play well enough to win.

[Professor Chaos]

What is capacity?
5700. If you want to read more into the details of the whole complex there's a good write-up here: http://www.bisonillustrated.com/shac-welcome-home-bison-nation/

Scheels Center is the basketball arena. The whole this is called the SHAC (Sanford Health Athletic Complex).

[Redbird007]

Why are your seats 60 feet from the court?

There's also some really strange angles in there.

What's the reason for the completely disconnected seat sections and missing corners ?

Is that area around the court the hockey rink size? Looks like they are putting the hoop court together and have not pushed everything together .... if that is possible?

[Professor Chaos]

Is that area around the court the hockey rink size? Looks like they are putting the hoop court together and have not pushed the everything together .... if that is possible?
Believe me, it's not hockey rink sized. xlolx

I'd know because for the last two years the Bison men's basketball team has played in a hockey area and there was a ****-ton of open space behind the baskets (they put folding chairs behind there as a "student section".... it didn't work xrolleyesx). Even in the picture where the seats may not not be fully pulled out that doesn't come close to a hockey rink size space behind the baskets.

[centennial]

Yeah, because every team is so far beneath NDSU xcoolx
Why does everything come down to that? I think we should win the Summit most years. Our facilities were hindering recruiting, they shouldn't as much anymore. Always salty.

[Redbird007]

I give it the thumbs up. I like the seating and lightning and believe when it is completely set up the seats may end up closer than it appears in that picture. Looks like it might be loud in there too as the ceiling is not massively high which is a good thing.

[Thumper 76]

Why does everything come down to that? I think we should win the Summit most years. Our facilities were hindering recruiting, they shouldn't as much anymore. Always salty.
What else should it come down to then? You are legitimately saying there is no reason other schools in the conference should be able to compete against NDSU in most years if you are saying they should win it most years. Which is typical Bison arrogance. Legit being arrogant without even realizing it. Which is classic ndsu fans.

[Professor Chaos]

Why does everything come down to that? I think we should win the Summit most years. Our facilities were hindering recruiting, they shouldn't as much anymore. Always salty.


What else should it come down to then? You are legitimately saying there is no reason other schools in the conference should be able to compete against NDSU in most years if you are saying they should win it most years. Which is typical Bison arrogance. Legit being arrogant without even realizing it. Which is classic ndsu fans.
While I don't agree that every Bison fan is arrogant I agree with Thumper that if you think NDSU is going to win the Summit most years you're going to be disappointed. I think NDSU should contend for the Summit League title most years, which they have each of the last 4 and will probably be able to do so again this year with what they have coming back. SDSU should also contend for the Summit League title most years, they get better support for basketball than NDSU does. Hopefully that changes with the new venue in place at NDSU but it's the truth as of right now and over the last few years.

[Thumper 76]

While I don't agree that every Bison fan is arrogant I agree with Thumper that if you think NDSU is going to win the Summit most years you're going to be disappointed. I think NDSU should contend for the Summit League title most years, which they have each of the last 4 and will probably be able to do so again this year with what they have coming back. SDSU should also contend for the Summit League title most years, they get better support for basketball than NDSU does. Hopefully that changes with the new venue in place at NDSU but it's the truth as of right now and over the last few years.

This I agree with 100%.

[Jackal]

We can talk hoops for a day. NDSU opens their new arena tonight in a men's basketball exhibition against Concordia-Moorhead.

http://www.bisonillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SHAC-SCHEELS-Center.jpg

http://www.bisonillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SHAC-SCHEELS-Center-6.jpg
Looks great!

[Schism55]

Place does look great! Soo much better than the endless wooden bleachers in my time there.

[UNIFanSince1983]

The place looks much better in this video from the Forum.

http://www.inforum.com/news/4150785-scheels-all-new-bison-arena-upping-donation-8-million-finish-it

[POD Knows]

And so was the long screen pass to Goedert according to the MVFC. When you get 14 points taken off the scoreboard its really ****ing tough to win on the road, especially if you come out flat. Both of those blown calls 100% altered the game big time. I was over this game, but now I'm nauseous again. God. ****ing. Damn it.

I watched the game, SDSU held on every offensive play, ****ing refs.

[JayJ79]

bunch of basketball talk and the MVFC doesn't even sponsor basketball.

[Thumper 76]

I watched the game, SDSU held on every offensive play, ****ing refs.
Dirty program xcoffeex

[dewey]

Place does look great! Soo much better than the endless wooden bleachers in my time there.

I am super excited to see the place. Unfortunately there are no men's or women's games over Thanksgiving break.

Dewey

[ST_Lawson]

This week's MVFC Preview: http://thefcswedge.com/mvfc/mvfc-week-10-preview/

I was a bit distracted this week (been a Cubs fan for 30+ years), so football had to take a backseat for me this week. Hopefully some of you will get to peruse it before Saturday's games.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

bunch of basketball talk and the MVFC doesn't even sponsor basketball.


Basketball?

Maybe I'll pay attention when FB season is over....:D

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

This week's MVFC Preview: http://thefcswedge.com/mvfc/mvfc-week-10-preview/

I was a bit distracted this week (been a Cubs fan for 30+ years), so football had to take a backseat for me this week. Hopefully some of you will get to peruse it before Saturday's games.



Nice work!!

[JayJ79]

UNI's Bailey didn't travel to Terre Haute (and didn't dress last week).
Dunne is out due to concussion (how many QBs have NDSU knocked out of commission? sheesh)

They're pulling the redshirt off a JC transfer out of Kansas (Colton Howell) to be the starter with junior Reggie Schulte as backup.

[PantherRob82]

Indiana State has to have the worst video and play by play in the MVFC, right?

[UNIFanSince1983]

Indiana State has to have the worst video and play by play in the MVFC, right?
This is absolutely terrible that is for sure.

[Schism55]

UNI's Bailey didn't travel to Terre Haute (and didn't dress last week).
Dunne is out due to concussion (how many QBs have NDSU knocked out of commission? sheesh) They're pulling the redshirt off a JC transfer out of Kansas (Colton Howell) to be the starter with junior Reggie Schulte as backup.
You mean to tell me Bailey is a poor team player and didn't take his demotion well? Color me shocked xlolx

[TheKingpin28]

I had to change it. And it was not due to the score. It was the most monotone voice with an "attempt" at color analysis.

[CappinHard]

Indiana State has to have the worst video and play by play in the MVFC, right?

Wow, really bad. The play by play guy is one of the worst I've listened to, and that includes local small time high schools.

[PantherRob82]

You mean to tell me Bailey is a poor team player and didn't take his demotion well? Color me shocked xlolx

Someone mentioned travel roster, and supposedly he is injured. Who knows?

[JayJ79]

I had to change it. And it was not due to the score. It was the most monotone voice with an "attempt" at color analysis.
I mute the espn3 audio and bring up UNI's radio pbp via uni's website. That site has a player that allows the audio stream to be paused, which allows synching to the espn3 delay.

Of course, Rima isn't exactly impartial with his calls, so non-UNI fans might not really like his call.

[TheKingpin28]

I mute the espn3 audio and bring up UNI's radio pbp via uni's website. That site has a player that allows the audio stream to be paused, which allows synching to the espn3 delay.

Of course, Rima isn't exactly impartial with his calls, so non-UNI fans might not really like his call.


Last weekend I did the same thing with the NDSU game. Watched it in the Twin Cities on ESPN 3 and turned on the radio PBP since I saw it was the UNI cast and I'd rather hear the NDSU one if I had my choice. xnodx

[PantherRob82]

Is Illinois State righting the ship just in time to wreck the conference?

[PantherRob82]

I don't think anyone besides NDSU even wants to make the playoffs. If NDSU, SDSU, SIU and Illinois State win:

NDSU tied with SDSU for 1st.
YSU at 3rd
UNI, WIU, USD tied for 4th.

[BigGoosie13]

Two things, does anybody handle fast starts worse than SDSU? Second, the Valley refs truly define incompetence.

[CappinHard]

I don't think anyone besides NDSU even wants to make the playoffs. If NDSU, SDSU, SIU and Illinois State win:

NDSU tied with SDSU for 1st.
YSU at 3rd
UNI, WIU, USD tied for 4th.

Technically SDSU is in 1st and NDSU is in 2nd. xdrunkyx

[PantherRob82]

Technically SDSU is in 1st and NDSU is in 2nd. xdrunkyx

Technically they are tied and SDSU wins the tiebreaker. ;)

[CappinHard]

Technically they are tied and SDSU wins the tiebreaker. ;)
You know what technically means, right?

[REALBird]

Is Illinois State righting the ship just in time to wreck the conference?

So it seems.

[neverobeyed]

Indiana State has to have the worst video and play by play in the MVFC, right?
Definitely.

[Twentysix]

Missouri Valley Football Conference




CONFERENCE
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4-2
90
94
6-3
194
148
5-0
1-3
L1
0-1
0-1


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162
208
6-3
262
272
2-2
4-1
L1
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3-3
170
179
4-5
287
323
3-1
1-4
L2
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3-3
197
100
4-5
266
174
2-2
2-3
W1
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3-4
171
187
5-5
251
231
3-2
2-3
W2
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2-4
152
234
4-5
237
291
2-2
2-3
L1
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2-5
161
211
4-6
257
318
2-3
2-3
L2
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1-5
172
206
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282
283
3-2
0-4
W1
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5-1
144
68
8-1
241
150
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4-0
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1-0


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210
142
6-3
338
267
4-1
2-2
W1
0-1
0-1


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90
94
6-3
194
148
5-0
1-3
L1
0-1
0-1


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162
208
6-3
262
272
2-2
4-1
L1
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3-3
170
179
4-5
287
323
3-1
1-4
L2
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3-3
197
100
4-5
266
174
2-2
2-3
W1
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3-4
171
187
5-5
251
231
3-2
2-3
W2
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http://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/ncaa/500/2623.png&h=50&scale=crop&w=50&location=originMissouri State
2-4
152
234
4-5
237
291
2-2
2-3
L1
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http://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/ncaa/500/282.png&h=50&scale=crop&w=50&location=originIndiana State
2-5
161
211
4-6
257
318
2-3
2-3
L2
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1-5
172
206
3-6
282
283
3-2
0-4
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WOW!! YSU's Offense is offensive! Scored more points in OOC (3 games) than the 6 in conference games xbawlingx

[ST_Lawson]

My preview of the weekend: http://thefcswedge.com/mvfc/mvfc-week-11-preview/

Obligatory Casey's Pizza...

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[POD Knows]

My preview of the weekend: http://thefcswedge.com/mvfc/mvfc-week-11-preview/

Obligatory Casey's Pizza...

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Nice work but ISUb would have to score negative numbers in order for NDSU to cover your spread.

[ST_Lawson]

Nice work but ISUb would have to score negative numbers in order for NDSU to cover your spread.

How's that?


"NDSU put up 24 points against probably the best defense in the conference (YSU) last weekend, so I think they could easily reach 40. Meanwhile, they’ve been holding some pretty good offenses to the 13-20 point range. I don’t see ISU getting past 14 points probably.


TLDR – North Dakota State by 26"


I was thinking something like:
NDSU - 40
ISUb - 14


That's a 26-point score margin, right, or did I completely forget how to math?

[clenz]

YSU isn't the best defense in the conference.

That's the bigger error.

[CappinHard]

How's that?


"NDSU put up 24 points against probably the best defense in the conference (YSU) last weekend, so I think they could easily reach 40. Meanwhile, they’ve been holding some pretty good offenses to the 13-20 point range. I don’t see ISU getting past 14 points probably.


TLDR – North Dakota State by 26"


I was thinking something like:
NDSU - 40
ISUb - 14


That's a 26-point score margin, right, or did I completely forget how to math?

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[ST_Lawson]

YSU isn't the best defense in the conference.

That's the bigger error.

Fair enough, you're probably right on that. Still, they're a decent defense and much better than ISUb's defense.
I think my prediction for the score still stands though.

[ytownchief22]

I'll take YSU's defense over anyone in this conference. We also have the worst offense in the league so it puts the defense in terrible positions.

[clenz]

I'll take YSU's defense over anyone in this conference. We also have the worst offense in the league so it puts the defense in terrible positions.

Once again, wrong

[ytownchief22]

Once again, wrong


Lol, says the guy who's team couldn't sniff 200 total yards and only had nine 1st downs against YSU. 1 in the second half.

[clenz]

Lol, says the guy who's team couldn't sniff 200 total yards and only had nine 1st downs against YSU. 1 in the second half.

Yeah. That's how bad UNIs offense is/has been

That wasn't YSU doing anything special. That was UNIs offense.


You also just made my point

Thanks.

[clenz]

WTF is going on in Macomb. ESPN3 fees **** out. Reports that the clocks in the stadium isn't working so there is no game clock for anyone to use.

Sounds like a complete disaster down there.

[ST_Lawson]

WTF is going on in Macomb. ESPN3 fees **** out. Reports that the clocks in the stadium isn't working so there is no game clock for anyone to use.

Sounds like a complete disaster down there.

It is. Anyone got a table I can flip?

EDIT - our scoreboard issues are so bad they shorted out all of ESPN....everything.

EDIT 2 - and a band member passed out. Ambulance is out behind the UNI bench.

Oh, and WIU is moving the ball pretty well.

[PantherRob82]

No games on espn3 is working. I can watch Ohio State-Maryland through the site, but not UNI, SDSU, NDSU or SFA

[ST_Lawson]

No games on espn3 is working. I can watch Ohio State-Maryland through the site, but not UNI, SDSU, NDSU or SFA

End of the 3rd, UNI up 20-9.
If I had better data, I'd try to do a livestream of it.

[UNI Pike]

Did the ILL budget situation cause the power to be shut off at the stadium?

https://thebestpictureproject.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/airplane7.jpg

[ST_Lawson]

3rd and goal for UNI, Western gets an interception in the end zone

[PantherRob82]

3rd and goal for UNI, Western gets an interception in the end zone

Jerks. :)

[ST_Lawson]

Jerks. :)

Don't worry, we just fumbled it back to you.

[BisonTru]

My preview of the weekend: http://thefcswedge.com/mvfc/mvfc-week-11-preview/

Obligatory Casey's Pizza...

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*Drops mic

[ST_Lawson]

*Drops mic

Winner winner, bacon dinner.

[ST_Lawson]

UNI TD...I think that's about "game"

[centennial]

The hell Illinois State and UNI. Almost making sure it's hard to get more than 3 in from the Valley.

[ST_Lawson]

The hell Illinois State and UNI. Almost making sure it's hard to get more than 3 in from the Valley.

Meat. Grinder.

[ST_Lawson]

TD Leathernecks. 27-16 UNI still up.

[ST_Lawson]

30-16 UNI

[clenz]

Are your lights broke in macomb too? Why are they not on at 4PM in November?

I mean, it's not dark but is well into dusk right now

[ST_Lawson]

Are your lights broke in macomb too? Why are they not on at 4PM in November?

I mean, it's not dark but is well into dusk right now

Budgetary issues ;)

[ST_Lawson]

TD Leathernecks. UNI up 30-23 with like 1 minute left.

[RabidRabbit]

Jacks/ Yotes tied at 14, 5 min 3rd qtr.

[ST_Lawson]

UNI recovers onside kick. Panthers win 30-23.

[RabidRabbit]

Two Jacks RBs have over 100 yds so far. Then Christian ob qb keeper goes 22 yd fo td. jJacks up 7. With 3 min qtr

[Thumper 76]

UNI recovers onside kick. Panthers win 30-23.

Well that's not helpful for next week WIU.


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[ST_Lawson]

Hi, we're the Leathernecks. We're the new Youngstown State.

[UNI Pike]

Has ESPN3 crapped out nationwide? Not able to see the UNI-WIU, and the SDSU-USD game is the same.

[Bison56]

Has ESPN3 crapped out nationwide? Not able to see the UNI-WIU, and the SDSU-USD game is the same.

Yes

[UNI Pike]

I blame George Bush

[centennial]

I've worked for a couple of cable companies. One time for a NFL game one of the internet backbone provider took a ****. Hundreds of complains within an hour. I wonder how many emails ESPN has.

[Bison56]

I blame George Bush

Is that you Obama?

[UNI Pike]

Is that you Obama?
I haven't heard Barry say this since Tuesday, and nature abhors a vacuum...

Sent from my NSA monitored One+ 3

[ST_Lawson]

I was thinking something like:
NDSU - 40
ISUb - 14

Damn, so close. 41-17 NDSU.
Didn't expect that extra FG by the Trees.

[Bison56]

Damn, so close. 41-17 NDSU.
Didn't expect that extra FG by the Trees.
You psychic or something?

[ST_Lawson]

You psychic or something?

Well, I WAY underestimated ISUr's blowout of MSU. I thought by 11...was 37-0.

Got pretty darn close on SIU at YSU. I though YSU by 6 and my last sentence was "The YSU offense will be able to put up just enough points to get past SIU, mostly on the ground." It was actually YSU by 7 and they had 126 passing yards vs 300 rushing yards.

If I actually picked my own games with my head instead of my heart, I would have gotten that one right. I honestly was thinking UNI by a TD, but I just couldn't pick against my Leathernecks (I said WIU by 4). UNI did win by 7 points. Maybe I just need to listen to Massey...his model predicted a 28-21 win by UNI...actual score was 30-23.

And I thought the South Dakota Civil War would be higher scoring than it ended up being, but I did pick it right and was 4 off on the margin.

So, no, not psychic, just fairly decent at reading statistics and comparing teams...not that this week was particularly difficult.

[Daved]

Hi, we're the Leathernecks. We're the new Youngstown State.Good--we needed to get rid of our usual crash and burn end of season.

[Professor Chaos]

Similar to week 12 last year a winter storm is brewing that is likely to cause travel headaches for teams traveling in the Dakotas and Iowa on Friday. Ahead of their game at USD it sounds like NDSU is now planning to leave Thursday to get to Sioux Falls before the weather hits where I'm assuming they'll stay until Saturday morning and leave for Vermtown. I would anticipate this will cause travel difficulties for SDSU getting to Cedar Falls as well.

[PantherRob82]

Similar to week 12 last year a winter storm is brewing that is likely to cause travel headaches for teams traveling in the Dakotas and Iowa on Friday. Sounds like NDSU is planning to leave Thursday now to get to Sioux Falls before the weather hits where I'm assuming they'll stay until Saturday morning. I would anticipate this will cause travel difficulties for SDSU getting to Cedar Falls as well.

We know how that went last year. xlolx

[Professor Chaos]

We know how that went last year. xlolx
Yeah, I'm wondering if SDSU doesn't get out of Brookings Thursday night as well. It looks like once they get into central Iowa they'll be out of the **** but it does not sound like eastern SD and northwest Iowa are going to have pleasant driving conditions on Friday assuming they're bussing to UNI or if they're flying Sioux Falls is not going to be a place you want to be flying out of on Friday that's for sure.

[clenz]

Yeah, I'm wondering if SDSU doesn't get out of Brookings Thursday night as well. It looks like once they get into central Iowa they'll be out of the **** but it does not sound like eastern SD and northwest Iowa are going to have pleasant driving conditions on Friday assuming they're bussing to UNI or if they're flying Sioux Falls is not going to be a place you want to be flying out of on Friday that's for sure.
I don't know what your issues are. Cedar Falls is looking mid 40s to 50 something and sunny on Saturday (plus 68 in the dome) We don't have any chance of any kind of precip until next Tuesday when it will be 50-55 and a 70% chance of rain.

Then I looked at my home town (not far from Sioux Falls)

Friday is 35 with about an inch of snow and 30-40 mph winds.

An inch of snow isn't bad, especially since it's 65 today, mid 50s tomorrow and 40s next week, but it's going to be a light snow and with wind like that? Good luck

[Professor Chaos]

I don't know what your issues are. Cedar Falls is looking mid 40s to 50 something and sunny on Saturday (plus 68 in the dome) We don't have any chance of any kind of precip until next Tuesday when it will be 50-55 and a 70% chance of rain.

Then I looked at my home town (not far from Sioux Falls)

Friday is 35 with about an inch of snow and 30-40 mph winds.

An inch of snow isn't bad, especially since it's 65 today, mid 50s tomorrow and 40s next week, but it's going to be a light snow and with wind like that? Good luck
Sounds like the worst will be between Fargo and Sioux Falls (like Brookings) and will come down Thursday night into Friday morning. Doesn't sound like much in terms of accumulations (4-6" is all I've heard anywhere in that stretch) but, yeah, with winds like that even a little snow is going to make travel a mess.

[ST_Lawson]

Yeah, I'm wondering if SDSU doesn't get out of Brookings Thursday night as well. It looks like once they get into central Iowa they'll be out of the **** but it does not sound like eastern SD and northwest Iowa are going to have pleasant driving conditions on Friday assuming they're bussing to UNI or if they're flying Sioux Falls is not going to be a place you want to be flying out of on Friday that's for sure.

Leave now please. I think SDSU winning helps our playoff chances (assuming we win).

[clenz]

Leave now please. I think SDSU winning helps our playoff chances (assuming we win).
You're locked into 6th place in the conference.

If SDSU beats UNI and WIU wins we have 3 teams at 4-4 - WIU, UNI and ISUR.

WIU lost to both and UNI/ISUr didn't play. I think that puts WIU in 6th no matter what. Plus you'd have a loss late in the year vs a 5-6 UNI team, lost to a 6-5 ISUr team.

I won't be surprised to see WIU, but I'd be lying if I said I would be shocked.

[ST_Lawson]

You're locked into 6th place in the conference.

If SDSU beats UNI and WIU wins we have 3 teams at 4-4 - WIU, UNI and ISUR.

WIU lost to both and UNI/ISUr didn't play. I think that puts WIU in 6th no matter what. Plus you'd have a loss late in the year vs a 5-6 UNI team, lost to a 6-5 ISUr team.

I won't be surprised to see WIU, but I'd be lying if I said I would be shocked.

Obviously I don't know how the committee thinks (and some years it could be argued that they don't), but I was looking at it more from an overall record perspective. If WIU loses, we're out, I don't see us getting a second glance if we're 6-5 this year. But, if we do win, we're 7-4.

The way I was thinking was that:
NDSU and SDSU are in regardless of what happens this weekend

YSU is in assuming they don't get absolutely demolished by MSU (even if they lose by a little, they are probably still in).

Then you have WIU, UNI, and ISUr.

ISUr is 6-5 and has some good wins (Northwestern, SDSU, WIU) but also a few "questionable losses" (EIU, ISUb, USD).

UNI if they win, are also 6-5 with good wins (Iowa State, SDSU, WIU) but have fewer "questionable losses" (USD) and all of the losses were within 1 score.

WIU if we win, are 7-4. Now, our OOC schedule wasn't as good as UNI's, but we did go 3-0 in it, and all of our 4 losses are against at least decent teams (SDSU, NDSU, ISUr, UNI)...no "bottom half of the MVFC" team losses.

Does the committee take a 7-4 MVFC team who went 3-0 OOC against MAC, Big Sky, and OVC teams?

I think probably, but if they decide they're only taking 4 MVFC teams and have to choose between the previously mentioned team or...
a 6-5 MVFC that beat the other team head-to-head, has a win over a B12 team and SDSU, as well as close losses in the toughest schedule in the FCS...I could see it going either way and I'd really be sweating it Sunday morning.
If UNI is 5-6 overall, they won't get picked. Then if the choice is between WIU and ISUr...I think WIU gets the advantage due to ISUr's more questionable losses. Despite the fact that ISUr beat WIU head-to-head, you also have WIU beating EIU, ISUb, and USD, and all of those teams beat ISUr.

I don't think the committee will take 6 MVFC teams, 4-5 is likely...3 is a possibility too, but I don't see the "bubble" being that strong this year to leave out all 3 of us.

That's kinda what I was going off of when I was hoping for SDSU to win.
Then again, if UNI wins, then all of WIU's losses will be against winning teams, whereas if UNI loses, then we will have lost to a 5-6 team, so I don't know.

[clenz]

Obviously I don't know how the committee thinks (and some years it could be argued that they don't), but I was looking at it more from an overall record perspective. If WIU loses, we're out, I don't see us getting a second glance if we're 6-5 this year. But, if we do win, we're 7-4.

The way I was thinking was that:
NDSU and SDSU are in regardless of what happens this weekend

YSU is in assuming they don't get absolutely demolished by MSU (even if they lose by a little, they are probably still in).

Then you have WIU, UNI, and ISUr.

ISUr is 6-5 and has some good wins (Northwestern, SDSU, WIU) but also a few "questionable losses" (EIU, ISUb, USD).

UNI if they win, are also 6-5 with good wins (Iowa State, SDSU, WIU) but have fewer "questionable losses" (USD) and all of the losses were within 1 score.

WIU if we win, are 7-4. Now, our OOC schedule wasn't as good as UNI's, but we did go 3-0 in it, and all of our 4 losses are against at least decent teams (SDSU, NDSU, ISUr, UNI)...no "bottom half of the MVFC" team losses.

Does the committee take a 7-4 MVFC team who went 3-0 OOC against MAC, Big Sky, and OVC teams?

I think probably, but if they decide they're only taking 4 MVFC teams and have to choose between the previously mentioned team or...
a 6-5 MVFC that beat the other team head-to-head, has a win over a B12 team and SDSU, as well as close losses in the toughest schedule in the FCS...I could see it going either way and I'd really be sweating it Sunday morning.
If UNI is 5-6 overall, they won't get picked. Then if the choice is between WIU and ISUr...I think WIU gets the advantage due to ISUr's more questionable losses. Despite the fact that ISUr beat WIU head-to-head, you also have WIU beating EIU, ISUb, and USD, and all of those teams beat ISUr.

I don't think the committee will take 6 MVFC teams, 4-5 is likely...3 is a possibility too, but I don't see the "bubble" being that strong this year to leave out all 3 of us.

That's kinda what I was going off of when I was hoping for SDSU to win.
Then again, if UNI wins, then all of WIU's losses will be against winning teams, whereas if UNI loses, then we will have lost to a 5-6 team, so I don't know.
They won't take a 6th place MVFC team, even if it has 7 wins.

The reason WIU got in last year at 6-5 is because they actually finished in third place in the conference. WIU would still be 6th in the conference, behind a 6-5 and 5-6 teams.

I see 4, at most. NDSU, SDSU, YSU and should UNI win they might get in as they'd be the 4th place MVFC team outright and with the SOS they'd have a shot (not that I am picking them to win or get in).

[Professor Chaos]

Obviously I don't know how the committee thinks (and some years it could be argued that they don't), but I was looking at it more from an overall record perspective. If WIU loses, we're out, I don't see us getting a second glance if we're 6-5 this year. But, if we do win, we're 7-4.

The way I was thinking was that:
NDSU and SDSU are in regardless of what happens this weekend

YSU is in assuming they don't get absolutely demolished by MSU (even if they lose by a little, they are probably still in).

Then you have WIU, UNI, and ISUr.

ISUr is 6-5 and has some good wins (Northwestern, SDSU, WIU) but also a few "questionable losses" (EIU, ISUb, USD).

UNI if they win, are also 6-5 with good wins (Iowa State, SDSU, WIU) but have fewer "questionable losses" (USD) and all of the losses were within 1 score.

WIU if we win, are 7-4. Now, our OOC schedule wasn't as good as UNI's, but we did go 3-0 in it, and all of our 4 losses are against at least decent teams (SDSU, NDSU, ISUr, UNI)...no "bottom half of the MVFC" team losses.

Does the committee take a 7-4 MVFC team who went 3-0 OOC against MAC, Big Sky, and OVC teams?

I think probably, but if they decide they're only taking 4 MVFC teams and have to choose between the previously mentioned team or...
a 6-5 MVFC that beat the other team head-to-head, has a win over a B12 team and SDSU, as well as close losses in the toughest schedule in the FCS...I could see it going either way and I'd really be sweating it Sunday morning.
If UNI is 5-6 overall, they won't get picked. Then if the choice is between WIU and ISUr...I think WIU gets the advantage due to ISUr's more questionable losses. Despite the fact that ISUr beat WIU head-to-head, you also have WIU beating EIU, ISUb, and USD, and all of those teams beat ISUr.

I don't think the committee will take 6 MVFC teams, 4-5 is likely...3 is a possibility too, but I don't see the "bubble" being that strong this year to leave out all 3 of us.

That's kinda what I was going off of when I was hoping for SDSU to win.
Then again, if UNI wins, then all of WIU's losses will be against winning teams, whereas if UNI loses, then we will have lost to a 5-6 team, so I don't know.
I'd tend to agree with you. I think the committee will avoid 6-5 teams if at all possible and having a 7-4 team in the same conference (despite the fact that they may have lost to the 6-5 team) will get that 7-4 team the nod. I think if WIU wins they're in. If UNI wins I think they probably get the slight edge over Illinois St but they're not in for sure. The more I think about it the more I think Illinois St is in trouble. I think the only way they get in is if both WIU and UNI lose and even then they might need some help (like Albany, Montana, and/or Weber St losing).


They won't take a 6th place MVFC team, even if it has 7 wins.

The reason WIU got in last year at 6-5 is because they actually finished in third place in the conference. WIU would still be 6th in the conference, behind a 6-5 and 5-6 teams.

I see 4, at most. NDSU, SDSU, YSU and should UNI win they might get in as they'd be the 4th place MVFC team outright and with the SOS they'd have a shot (not that I am picking them to win or get in).
I think the reason WIU got in last year is because they had a really tough schedule and no bad losses. UNI had a really tough schedule this year but I don't know how the committee is going to view that USD loss. It doesn't have to be an either/or proposition with WIU and UNI either. It's definitely possible both get in if both win.

[clenz]

I'd tend to agree with you. I think the committee will avoid 6-5 teams if at all possible and having a 7-4 team in the same conference (despite the fact that they may have lost to the 6-5 team) will get that 7-4 team the nod. I think if WIU wins they're in. If UNI wins I think they probably get the slight edge over Illinois St but they're not in for sure. The more I think about it the more I think Illinois St is in trouble. I think the only way they get in is if both WIU and UNI lose and even then they might need some help (like Albany losing).


I think the reason WIU got in last year is because they had a really tough schedule and no bad losses. UNI had a really tough schedule this year but I don't know how the committee is going to view that USD loss.
Even if UNI isn't in there is going to be enough 7 win teams that didn't finish in 6th place in their conference.

Had WIU finished 4th or 5th in the tie break last year they don't get in. In stead they got 3rd because of the tie break. Can't take 4th and 5th place teams that both lose to the third place team without taking the 3rd place team.

[Professor Chaos]

Even if UNI isn't in there is going to be enough 7 win teams that didn't finish in 6th place in their conference.

Had WIU finished 4th or 5th in the tie break last year they don't get in. In stead they got 3rd because of the tie break. Can't take 4th and 5th place teams that both lose to the third place team without taking the 3rd place team.
We'll see. I don't think the committee places as much weight on conference standings as you do. However, it's definitely plausible that UNI at 6-5 gets in and WIU at 7-4 is left out. I just think they'll be too enthralled with bad losses and overall losses to ignore the extra win from WIU.

[PantherRob82]

We'll see. I don't think the committee places as much weight on conference standings as you do. However, it's definitely plausible that UNI at 6-5 gets in and WIU at 7-4 is left out. I just think they'll be too enthralled with bad losses and overall losses to ignore the extra win from WIU.
Except for the fact that good losses is exactly what got Western Illinois in last year.

[ST_Lawson]

I'd tend to agree with you. I think the committee will avoid 6-5 teams if at all possible and having a 7-4 team in the same conference (despite the fact that they may have lost to the 6-5 team) will get that 7-4 team the nod. I think if WIU wins they're in. If UNI wins I think they probably get the slight edge over Illinois St but they're not in for sure. The more I think about it the more I think Illinois St is in trouble. I think the only way they get in is if both WIU and UNI lose and even then they might need some help (like Albany, Montana, and/or Weber St losing).


I think the reason WIU got in last year is because they had a really tough schedule and no bad losses. UNI had a really tough schedule this year but I don't know how the committee is going to view that USD loss. It doesn't have to be an either/or proposition with WIU and UNI either. It's definitely possible both get in if both win.

That was the way I viewed it. We were 6-5 with the toughest schedule in the FCS (according to Massey). I didn't really see it as being a "3rd in the conference" sort of thing, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

EDIT - also, I don't know how the CAA determines tiebreakers for conference standings, but 7-4 Towson with a 5-3 conference record got left home despite being listed (on the season's wikipedia page) as 4th in the conference, while 7-5 New Hampshire with a 5-3 conference record got an at-large and they're listed as 5th in the conference. Now, the two teams didn't play each other, so there's no head-to-head on that one, but it looks like there is a precedent for it, as near as I can tell. That's without looking at their schedule's specifically, so maybe there was a vast difference in who they beat and lost to, and by how much.

[Professor Chaos]

Except for the fact that good losses is exactly what got Western Illinois in last year.
Yep, agreed. However, that argument works again for them this year because if anyone has a bad loss between WIU and UNI it's UNI with their loss to USD. The only loss that could be construed as bad for WIU would be if UNI loses meaning WIU lost to 5-6 UNI but that loss might help WIU because it knocks out a team that's threatening their bubble.

[leatherneck177]

Obviously I don't know how the committee thinks (and some years it could be argued that they don't), but I was looking at it more from an overall record perspective. If WIU loses, we're out, I don't see us getting a second glance if we're 6-5 this year. But, if we do win, we're 7-4.

The way I was thinking was that:
NDSU and SDSU are in regardless of what happens this weekend

YSU is in assuming they don't get absolutely demolished by MSU (even if they lose by a little, they are probably still in).

Then you have WIU, UNI, and ISUr.

ISUr is 6-5 and has some good wins (Northwestern, SDSU, WIU) but also a few "questionable losses" (EIU, ISUb, USD).

UNI if they win, are also 6-5 with good wins (Iowa State, SDSU, WIU) but have fewer "questionable losses" (USD) and all of the losses were within 1 score.

WIU if we win, are 7-4. Now, our OOC schedule wasn't as good as UNI's, but we did go 3-0 in it, and all of our 4 losses are against at least decent teams (SDSU, NDSU, ISUr, UNI)...no "bottom half of the MVFC" team losses.

Does the committee take a 7-4 MVFC team who went 3-0 OOC against MAC, Big Sky, and OVC teams?

I think probably, but if they decide they're only taking 4 MVFC teams and have to choose between the previously mentioned team or...
a 6-5 MVFC that beat the other team head-to-head, has a win over a B12 team and SDSU, as well as close losses in the toughest schedule in the FCS...I could see it going either way and I'd really be sweating it Sunday morning.
If UNI is 5-6 overall, they won't get picked. Then if the choice is between WIU and ISUr...I think WIU gets the advantage due to ISUr's more questionable losses. Despite the fact that ISUr beat WIU head-to-head, you also have WIU beating EIU, ISUb, and USD, and all of those teams beat ISUr.

I don't think the committee will take 6 MVFC teams, 4-5 is likely...3 is a possibility too, but I don't see the "bubble" being that strong this year to leave out all 3 of us.

That's kinda what I was going off of when I was hoping for SDSU to win.
Then again, if UNI wins, then all of WIU's losses will be against winning teams, whereas if UNI loses, then we will have lost to a 5-6 team, so I don't know.


Good overview. I'd only add that in a twisted way, UNI and ISUr somewhat need a WIU win, so it can remain a quality win for them....6-5 Western isn't really quality.

[leatherneck177]

They won't take a 6th place MVFC team, even if it has 7 wins.

The reason WIU got in last year at 6-5 is because they actually finished in third place in the conference. WIU would still be 6th in the conference, behind a 6-5 and 5-6 teams.

I see 4, at most. NDSU, SDSU, YSU and should UNI win they might get in as they'd be the 4th place MVFC team outright and with the SOS they'd have a shot (not that I am picking them to win or get in).

i don't agree on this front, I think you have to look at the entire body of work in addition to the rest of the potential at large candidates, which is pretty slim. Remember that 6-5 Western team last year wasn't the last one in, I don't think a 7-4 Western keeps the 6-5 teams out, I think on of them finds a way in....in my opinion not at Western's expense....not with the current bubble teams.

[Redbird007]

Good overview. I'd only add that in a twisted way, UNI and ISUr somewhat need a WIU win, so it can remain a quality win for them....6-5 Western isn't really quality.


The value of a WIU loss far outweighs the value of a WIU win this weekend as respects to UNI/ISUr getting into the tourney. IMO

[leatherneck177]

Even if UNI isn't in there is going to be enough 7 win teams that didn't finish in 6th place in their conference.

Had WIU finished 4th or 5th in the tie break last year they don't get in. In stead they got 3rd because of the tie break. Can't take 4th and 5th place teams that both lose to the third place team without taking the 3rd place team.

You can when they didn't get it done outside of conference. You can't punish a 7-4 Western because a 5-6 UNI finished tied with them in the MVFC. I really give UNI credit for their scheduling and do believe with a win they are in. They look very similar to WIU last year on a playoff case basis.

[Schism55]

You can when they didn't get it done outside of conference. You can't punish a 7-4 Western because a 5-6 UNI finished tied with them in the MVFC. I really give UNI credit for their scheduling and do believe with a win they are in. They look very similar to WIU last year on a playoff case basis.
This right here. With a win i think both WIU and UNI get in. ISUr on the outside looking in.
With the committee's most recent rankings showing the importance of SoS, i think the toughest conference in the land gets 5 teams in.

[PantherRob82]

With a win I think UNI jumps UND and the loser of UCA-SHSU to grab the 8 seed. :p

[ST_Lawson]

With a win I think UNI jumps UND and the loser of UCA-SHSU to grab the 8 seed. :p

I'd almost be willing to give up a spot in the playoffs to see the reaction to something like that...almost.

[ST_Lawson]

MVFC Week 12 Preview: http://thefcswedge.com/mvfc/mvfc-week-12-preview/

[Thumper 76]

MVFC Week 12 Preview: http://thefcswedge.com/mvfc/mvfc-week-12-preview/

Good work as always Lawson. I'm assuming you meant that SDSU is averaging 36.6 points per game instead of yards though.


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[ST_Lawson]

Good work as always Lawson. I'm assuming you meant that SDSU is averaging 36.6 points per game instead of yards though.


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Damn...that'll teach me not to write articles while sick.
Thanks for letting me know about the error. It's fixed now.

[ST_Lawson]

Congrats Leathernecks...that was a late-season collapse of Penguin-like proportions.

I was worried about our DC when we got him from SIU, but figured it was pretty late in the process and the "pickin's were slim" and hoped that Fisher could make it work.
Now, I hope that Fisher makes the right decision and on Monday morning, he is on the phone with all of his FBS contacts at Penn State, Vandy, and elsewhere, looking for a hot D-position coach looking for his first DC gig.

But for this season...I don't believe I've ever seen a more epic self-destruction after such a promising start to a season.

Congrats...

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[leatherneck177]

Congrats Leathernecks...that was a late-season collapse of Penguin-like proportions.

I was worried about our DC when we got him from SIU, but figured it was pretty late in the process and the "pickin's were slim" and hoped that Fisher could make it work.
Now, I hope that Fisher makes the right decision and on Monday morning, he is on the phone with all of his FBS contacts at Penn State, Vandy, and elsewhere, looking for a hot D-position coach looking for his first DC gig.

But for this season...I don't believe I've ever seen a more epic self-destruction after such a promising start to a season.

Congrats...

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THIS. BRUTAL.

[Schism55]

Sorry Lawson, that is some painful ****e.

[ST_Lawson]

Sorry Lawson, that is some painful ****e.

It is what it is. I was already resigned to the likelihood that we would find a way to lose this one after the last two losses. Had to complete the "trifecta". I also knew that the way that we had been playing, even if we'd somehow come away with a win, we'd get destroyed by whomever we'd get matched up with in the first round. First half of the season, sure...we could have been a "playoff-worthy" team...second half...not even close. We were like the reverse of UNI or ISUr.

It sucks, especially for the seniors who finished their football careers with a loss like that on a conference rival's field.
We do have a VERY young defense that do have a decent level of talent, they just need a better DC to teach them how to defend MVFC-level receivers.

Good luck to the rest of the MVFC in the playoffs. I'll be rooting for you all to do well and make it another all-MVFC championship game.

[ST_Lawson]

UNI fans, I've got a nice seat for you over here in the "what the hell happened to this season" section.

[PantherRob82]

UNI fans, I've got a nice seat for you over here in the "what the hell happened to this season" section.

We're not confused. xlolx

[ST_Lawson]

We're not confused. xlolx

True....true.

[CappinHard]

Does the MVFC give out 2 trophies that both say "Champion" instead of 2 trophies that say "Co-Champion"? If so... why don't they just create a damn tie breaker and have one champion... if the tie can't be broken logically (no head to head), then give out co-champion trophies. Just stupid imo.

https://twitter.com/GoJacksFB/status/804053994888896516

[Bisonator]

Does the MVFC give out 2 trophies that both say "Champion" instead of 2 trophies that say "Co-Champion"? If so... why don't they just create a damn tie breaker and have one champion... if the tie can't be broken logically (no head to head), then give out co-champion trophies. Just stupid imo

Hey look at that you guys finally have something to put in that empty glass case.xthumbsupx

[BisonFan02]

Hey look at that you guys finally have something to put in that empty glass case.xthumbsupx

Besides their emotions. :D

[Drblankstare]

Ok boys have at it. 3 of the final 8

[Thumper 76]

Ok boys have at it. 3 of the final 8

MVFC sucks


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[Drblankstare]

MVFC sucks


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Lol. I looked for you at tailgating didn't see the backpack.

[Thumper 76]

Lol. I looked for you at tailgating didn't see the backpack.

I was there sir! Saw everybody else!


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[mmiller_34]

Just wanted to make sure we closed this thread out the right way. One more MVFC game left to go. Go 'Guins.

In about three weeks we'll have a 2017 MVFC thread to get started boys.

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[TheKingpin28]

Just wanted to make sure we closed this thread out the right way. One more MVFC game left to go. Go 'Guins.

In about three weeks we'll have a 2017 MVFC thread brought to you by Casey's Breakfast Pizza and dank memes to get started boys.

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FYP

[penguinpower]

FYP

This is hilarious. Who knew the foreshadowing from the off season pizza discussions would be relevant.

[mmiller_34]

FYP

xthumbsupx

[TheKingpin28]

This is hilarious. Who knew the foreshadowing from the off season pizza discussions would be relevant.

Casey's Breakfast Pizza and Dank memes are always relevant. If we do not start it out properly, is it really a MVFC thread? Hell, I almost thought about naming it that plus and why UND will be better than ever coming out of the weight room for a second straight year.