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Professor Chaos
November 30th, 2015, 09:28 AM
http://www.valley-football.org/news/default/2015-16/8448/2015-mvfc-all-conference-team/

FIRST TEAM

QB -- Mark Iannotti, Southern Illinois 6-2 220 Sr. Schaumburg (Ill.) High / Eastern Michigan
QB -- Tre Roberson, Illinois State 6-0 205 Sr. Indianapolis (Ind.) Lawrence Central High / Indiana
RB -- Marshaun Coprich, Illinois State 5-9 205 Sr. Victorville (Calif.) Oak Hills High
RB -- Nikko Watson, Western Illinois 6-0 250 Sr. Rock Island (Ill.) High
FB -- Andrew Bonnet, North Dakota State 6-3 250 Sr. Council Bluffs (Iowa) Underwood High
WR-- Anthony Warrum, Illinois State 6-2 190 Jr. Fishers (Ind.) Heritage Christian School
WR-- Jake Wieneke, South Dakota State 6-4 210 So. Maple Grove (Minn.) High
TE -- Dallas Goedert, South Dakota State 6-5 245 So. Britton (S.D.) Britton-Hecla High
OL -- Joe Haeg, North Dakota State 6-6 310 Sr. Lake Shore (Minn.) Brainerd High
OL -- Zack Johnson, North Dakota State 6-4 326 Jr. Apple Valley (Minn.) Eastview High
OL -- Jacob Rathmacher, UNI 6-4 297 Sr. Story City (Iowa) Roland-Story
OL -- Mark Spelman, Illinois State 6-3 280 Jr. Brookfield (Wis.) Marquette University High
OL -- Ethan Wirth, Southern Illinois 6-7 283 Sr. Williamston (Mich.) High / Toledo
PK -- Zak Kennedy, Youngstown State 6-0 160 Fr. Youngstown (Ohio) Cardinal Mooney
LS -- Joshua Appel, Indiana State 6-2 250 Jr. Normal (Ill.) West High

DL -- Greg Menard, North Dakota State 6-2 239 So. Lakeville (Minn.) Lakeville North High
DL -- Derek Rivers, Youngstown State 6-5 255 Jr. Kinston (N.C.) High
DL -- Karter Schult, UNI 6-2 265 Jr. Tripoli (Iowa) High
DL -- Andrew Van Ginkel, South Dakota 6-4 230 Fr. Rock Valley (Iowa) High
LB -- Dylan Cole, Missouri State 6-1 236 Jr. Rogersville (Mo.) Logan-Rogersville High
LB -- Nick DeLuca, North Dakota State 6-3 244 Jr. Omaha (Neb.) Millard North High
LB -- Brett McMakin, UNI 6-4 232 Jr. Overland Park (Kan.) Blue Valley West High
LB -- Pat Meehan, Illinois State 6-1 225 Sr. Frankfort (Ill.) Lincoln-Way East
DB-- LeRoy Alexander, Youngstown State 6-0 195 Jr. Toledo (Ohio) Whitmer High / Nebraska
DB -- Deiondre' Hall, UNI 6--2 190 Sr. Blue Springs (Mo.) High
DB -- Tim Kilfoy, UNI 6-1 215 Sr. Davenport (Iowa) Assumption High
DB -- CJ Smith, North Dakota State 5-11 188 Sr. Savage (Minn.) Burnsville High
P -- Ben LeCompte, North Dakota State 5-10 196 Sr. Barrington (Ill.) High
RS -- Deion Holliman, Missouri State 5-9 181 So. Camden (Ark.) Fairview High

SECOND TEAM

QB -- Aaron Bailey, UNI 6-2 226 Jr. Bolingbrook (Ill.) High / Illinois
RB -- King Frazier, North Dakota State 5-11 213 Jr. Greenwood (Mo.) Lee's Summit High / Nebraska
RB -- Jody Webb, Youngstown State 5-9 180 Jr. Toledo (Ohio) Whitmer High
FB -- Brady Tibbits, Illinois State 5-10 240 Jr. Mineral Point (Wis.) High
WR -- Lance Lenoir, Jr., Western Illinois 6-0 200 Jr. Crete (Ill.) Crete Monee High
WR -- Billy Reed, Southern Illinois 6-1 203 Jr. Lockport (Ill.) Lockport Township
TE -- Luke Albers, North Dakota State 6-5 250 Sr. Iola (Wis.) Iola-Scandinavia High
TE -- Adam Fuehne, Southern Illinois 6-7 257 Sr. Damiansville (Ill.) Mater Dei Catholic
OL -- Kyle Avaloy, Illinois State 6-5 330 Jr. Lombard (Ill.) Glenbard South
OL -- Jacob Judd, Western Illinois 6-3 290 So. Clinton (Iowa) High
OL -- Jeremy Kelly, North Dakota State 6-6 300 Sr. Somerset (Wis.) High / Minnesota-Crookston
OL -- Jacob Ohnesorge, South Dakota State 6-3 280 So. Waunakee (Wis.) High
OL -- Robert Rathje, UNI 6-3 295 Jr. Van Horne (Iowa) Benton Community High
PK -- Miles Bergner, South Dakota 6-0 225 Jr. Longmont (Colo.) High
LS -- James Fisher, North Dakota State 6-2 213 So. Bloomington (Minn.) Jefferson High

DL -- Isaac Ales, UNI 6-3 268 Sr. Muscatine (Iowa) High
DL -- Teddy Corwin, Illinois State 6-5 260 Sr. St. Louis (Mo.) DeSmet Jesuit High
DL -- Cole Langer, South Dakota State 6-2 285 Jr. Dell Rapids (S.D.) High
DL -- David Perkins, Illinois State 6-4 245 Sr. South Bend (Ind.) Washington High / Ohio State
LB -- Chase Allen, Southern Illinois 6-3 240 Jr. Belleville (Ill.) Belleville East High
LB -- T.J. Lally, South Dakota State 6-0 225 Sr. Chicago (Ill.) Marmion Academy
LB -- Brett Taylor, Western Illinois 6-2 230 So. Macomb (Ill.) High
LB -- Lee Wright, Youngstown State 6-1 215 So. York (S.C.) York Comprehensive
DB -- Makinton Dorleant, UNI 5-11 185 Sr. Naples (Fla.) Lely High
DB -- Jimmie Forsythe, South Dakota State 5-10 190 Sr. Omaha (Neb.) Burke High
DB -- Kenny James, Southern Illinois 5-10 204 So. Columbia (Mo.) Rock Bridge High
DB -- Travis Starks, Indiana State 5-10 190 Sr. Chicago (Ill.) St. Rita of Cascia High
P -- Sam Kuhter, UNI 6-0 207 So. Toledo (Iowa) South Tama High
RS -- Daquan Isom, Southern Illinois 5-8 172 Fr. Orlando (Fla.) Dr. Phillips High

Honorable Mention Selections

QB: Trenton Norvell, WIU; Carson Wentz, NDSU; RB: Shane Kuhn, YSU (FB);Tyvis Smith, UNI; WR: Robert Tonyan, Jr., INS; RJ Urzendowski, NDSU; TE: Cam Jones, SDSU; Braden Lehman, UNI; OL: Derek Chancellor, USD; Jake Notario, SIU; Riley Shantz, MSU; Justin Spencer, YSU; Dakota Vermillion, INS; PK: Michael Schmadeke, UNI; LS: Trent Simpson; UNI; DL: James Barnes, MSU; Kris Harley, WIU; Eddy Holtschlag, WIU; Dalton Keene, ILS; Nate Tanguay, NDSU; LB: Jesse Bobbit, SDSU; Armand Dellovade; YSU; Alex Donnelly, ILS; Keyen Lage, USD; Kendall Walker, INS; Brandon Williams, SIU; DB: Je Ryan Butler, SDSU; Tyson Graham, USD; Alec Kocour, ILS; P: Miles Bergner, USD; Derek Mathewson, SIU; Chris Sullens, MSU; RS: Makinton Dorleant, UNI; Lance Lenoir, Jr., WIU

jtthenutt
November 30th, 2015, 09:32 AM
UNI's defense all over this. I fully support this. Mark Iannotti starting QB is right on the money....though he should have been the Offensive MVP

UNIFanSince1983
November 30th, 2015, 09:33 AM
Took the easy way out and had two first team QBs.

clenz
November 30th, 2015, 09:35 AM
No god damn way Roberson is a first team QB.

No damn way.

jtthenutt
November 30th, 2015, 09:38 AM
No god damn way Roberson is a first team QB.

No damn way.

And no way Kuhter is not the #1 punter in the league either.

Professor Chaos
November 30th, 2015, 09:40 AM
My biggest complaint for NDSU is no DL Brian Schaetz, not even as honorable mention. He should be there over Tanguay IMO and likely over more on there than just him.

THE HERD
November 30th, 2015, 09:41 AM
I am really surprised that our DT Nate Tanguay did not make at least second team. Both Schaetz and Tanguay are all conference caliber in my opinion.

clenz
November 30th, 2015, 09:43 AM
And no way Kuhter is not the #1 punter in the league either.
I can't, and don't think I will argue with LeCompte.

Dude is a machine

Professor Chaos
November 30th, 2015, 09:44 AM
And no way Kuhter is not the #1 punter in the league either.
Umm, you should look at LeCompte's numbers. He should be 1st team All-American.

48 punts, 46.1 yard average, 20 punts downed inside the 20, long of 73.

BisonFan02
November 30th, 2015, 09:45 AM
I can't, and don't think I will argue with LeCompte.

Dude is a machine

This. LeCompte should be 1st team All American, let alone MVFC.

clenz
November 30th, 2015, 09:46 AM
Punts
Yards
Avg
Long
Touchbacks
Fair Caught
Inside 20
50+ yard


LaCompte
48
2215
46.1
73
10
12
20
17


Kuhter
59
2534
42.95
68
7
22
23
13

THE HERD
November 30th, 2015, 09:46 AM
I can't, and don't think I will argue with LeCompte.

Dude is a machine

LeCompte is far and away the best punter in the MVFC....its not even close. Guy has a legitimate shot at the next level.

THE HERD
November 30th, 2015, 09:48 AM
I am really surprised that our DT Nate Tanguay did not make at least second team. Both Schaetz and Tanguay are all conference caliber in my opinion.

Don't we have the best run D in the conference? Not sure, but I believe we do and it all starts with those two guys.

clenz
November 30th, 2015, 09:50 AM
Don't we have the best run D in the conference? Not sure, but I believe we do and it all starts with those two guys.
In conference only games UNI is 30 yards better, and 1.6 ypc better against the run.

Sycamore62
November 30th, 2015, 09:58 AM
I think we had some players that would be all conference on other teams but I cant argue with the production as it was. Connor Underwood probably missed it at DE the same way Carson Wentz did. Iannotti on his team should be the only QB.

Professor Chaos
November 30th, 2015, 10:01 AM
Interesting how much easier it was to crack the list at RB this year. These are the numbers from the 2nd team RBs this year:

King Frazier: 147 attempts, 790 yards (5.4 ypc), 7 TDs
Jody Webb: 122 attempts, 857 yards (7.0 ypc), 9 TDs


Now the 2nd team RBs from last year (they had Zach Zenner, David Johnson, and Coprich all 1st team RBs last year):

John Crockett (includes 4 playoff games): 368 attempts, 1994 yards (5.4 ypc), 21 TDs
Martin Ruiz: 265 attempts, 1320 yards (5.0 ypc), 10 TDs

UNIFanSince1983
November 30th, 2015, 10:14 AM
Interesting how much easier it was to crack the list at RB this year. These are the numbers from the 2nd team RBs this year:

King Frazier: 147 attempts, 790 yards (5.4 ypc), 7 TDs
Jody Webb: 122 attempts, 857 yards (7.0 ypc), 9 TDs


Now the 2nd team RBs from last year (they had Zach Zenner, David Johnson, and Coprich all 1st team RBs last year):

John Crockett (includes 4 playoff games): 368 attempts, 1994 yards (5.4 ypc), 21 TDs
Martin Ruiz: 265 attempts, 1320 yards (5.0 ypc), 10 TDs

Hard to replace 3 guys that are on NFL rosters this year.

ST_Lawson
November 30th, 2015, 10:37 AM
Lance Lenior is just that good...Second team AND honorable mention ;)

BisonTru
November 30th, 2015, 10:42 AM
Lance Lenior is just that good...Second team AND honorable mention ;)

JMO, Lenior should be a first team and Norvell should be second team.

Also, how many DL positions were filled with DEs vs. DTs?

clenz
November 30th, 2015, 10:43 AM
JMO, Lenior should be a first team and Norvell should be second.
This.

Roberson shouldn't even be honorable mention.

UNIFanSince1983
November 30th, 2015, 10:47 AM
Lance Lenior is just that good...Second team AND honorable mention ;)

So is Dorleant xnodx

ST_Lawson
November 30th, 2015, 10:49 AM
JMO, Lenior should be a first team and Norvell should be second team.

Also, how many DL positions were filled with DEs vs. DTs?

We'll get 'em next year. No Iannotti or Roberson, no Coprich for ISU's new QB to hand off to. Bailey, Stick, and Norvell should be in the running for first team QB next year.
Norvell, Lenoir, and Borsellino will be in year 4 of starting together.

BisonFan02
November 30th, 2015, 10:54 AM
We'll get 'em next year. No Iannotti or Roberson, no Coprich for ISU's new QB to hand off to. Bailey, Stick, and Norvell should be in the running for first team QB next year.
Norvell, Lenoir, and Borsellino will be in year 4 of starting together.

Agree

clenz
November 30th, 2015, 10:56 AM
We'll get 'em next year. No Iannotti or Roberson, no Coprich for ISU's new QB to hand off to. Bailey, Stick, and Norvell should be in the running for first team QB next year.
Norvell, Lenoir, and Borsellino will be in year 4 of starting together.
Best WR/QB combo in the league.

I thought it was this year.

I thought WIU had the best skill positions, period, this year in the conference. Just not a defense or OL to compliment them enough

ST_Lawson
November 30th, 2015, 11:14 AM
Best WR/QB combo in the league.

I thought it was this year.

I thought WIU had the best skill positions, period, this year in the conference. Just not a defense or OL to compliment them enough

Next year is going to be interesting. Offensively, losing RB Watson, our RG, and a couple of TE's (that we almost never used...2 catches all season total for our TEs...they mostly did blocking).
Defensively...losing our D-line...3/4 of the starters, and a couple of backup DBs. Gonna need to find some D-line otherwise our games will turn into track meets...first one to 50 points wins.

leatherneck177
November 30th, 2015, 11:38 AM
Lance Lenior is just that good...Second team AND honorable mention ;)

I believe he got honorable mention as the KR/PR specialist. Odd way of listing it though.

leatherneck177
November 30th, 2015, 11:41 AM
Best WR/QB combo in the league.

I thought it was this year.

I thought WIU had the best skill positions, period, this year in the conference. Just not a defense or OL to compliment them enough

Spot on. The defense was young in several spots at LB/CB, however most of the DL graduates which will leave some holes. The OL is still spotty at times. I really think with Watson leaving this will present a huge issue for the Necks at RB. Moore is the next big back, but he is only around 6'0" 220 lbs, I say only because Nikki was 250+. I don't believe he is the same type of back.

Bisonator
November 30th, 2015, 12:18 PM
And no way Kuhter is not the #1 punter in the league either.

xrolleyesx

Kemo
November 30th, 2015, 02:36 PM
I can't complain (much) about the team overall. There always can be some debate on 1st vs 2nd team, vs honorable mention, but didn't seem like there were any glaring mistakes.

Few thoughts:

If they are going to add an extra spot, why would they do it for QB instead of WR? I'm not a Roberson hater, but it was pretty clear cut that Iannotti was the best QB in the league, where at WR, Lance Lenoir and Anthony Warrum were neck and neck for the #2 spot behind Wieneke. Wide Receiver was last years running back position, and the top 4 guys are going to be back next year as well.

Also, I'd like to see them have DE and DT spots rather than just a broad DL position. A DE of equal skill (or slightly worse) is almost always going to have better stats than a DT, and that's why we ended up with 4 DEs on the 1st team. DT is just as important of a position as DE, so why not treat it like so?

...and the LeCompte vs. Kuhter debate: There isn't one. LeCompte is the man and he's the most underrated weapon in the conference IMO. He should have a farewell parade that goes through Brookings so every Jackrabbit fan can thank him for getting the hell out of college football.

Professor Chaos
November 30th, 2015, 02:39 PM
I can't complain (much) about the team overall. There always can be some debate on 1st vs 2nd team, vs honorable mention, but didn't seem like there were any glaring mistakes.

Few thoughts:

If they are going to add an extra spot, why would they do it for QB instead of WR? I'm not a Roberson hater, but it was pretty clear cut that Iannotti was the best QB in the league, where at WR, Lance Lenoir and Anthony Warrum were neck and neck for the #2 spot behind Wieneke. Wide Receiver was last years running back position, and the top 4 guys are going to be back next year as well.

Also, I'd like to see them have DE and DT spots rather than just a broad DL position. A DE of equal skill (or slightly worse) is almost always going to have better stats than a DT, and that's why we ended up with 4 DEs on your first team line. DT is just as import position as DE, so why not treat it like so?

...and the LeCompte vs. Kuhter debate: There isn't one. LeCompte is the man and he's the most underrated weapon in the conference IMO. He should have a farewell parade that goes through Brookings so every Jackrabbit fan can thank him for getting the hell out of college football.
I'm not sure why they add extra spots but my theory is that if there's a tie (or it's very close between two players) they'll add an extra spot. For instance last year they had three 1st team RBs (Zenner, Johnson, and Coprich). Of course the debate then goes to how did Roberson get anywhere near Iannotti if that's the case? I don't have an answer for that other than voter laziness.

clenz
November 30th, 2015, 02:49 PM
I'm not sure why they add extra spots but my theory is that if there's a tie (or it's very close between two players) they'll add an extra spot. For instance last year they had three 1st team RBs (Zenner, Johnson, and Coprich). Of course the debate then goes to how did Roberson get anywhere near Iannotti if that's the case? I don't have an answer for that other than voter laziness.
Roberson shouldn't even be near first team.

He should be behind Iannotti, Norvel, Wentz, Stick, Bailey, and both SDSU QBs.

I'm not convinced Roberson isn't last in the MVFC qb race this year, other than MSU.

Kemo
November 30th, 2015, 02:50 PM
I'm not sure why they add extra spots but my theory is that if there's a tie (or it's very close between two players) they'll add an extra spot. For instance last year they had three 1st team RBs (Zenner, Johnson, and Coprich). Of course the debate then goes to how did Roberson get anywhere near Iannotti if that's the case? I don't have an answer for that other than voter laziness.
You're probably right, but it seems odd that it could end in a tie as often as it has. Maybe it's something like: If the votes are within a certain % of each other they both get first team.

Last year it made sense for the RB position considering as there were 4 MVFC running backs who were all up for All American status and it was nearly impossible to discern between the top 3.

dewey
November 30th, 2015, 02:55 PM
I agree that Roberson isn't a very good passing quarterback but he is deadly running the read option. It is the same problem as a few years ago when Georgia Southern had McKinnon and should he make an All American team. Do you list an athlete spot and put Roberson there?

Dewey

clenz
November 30th, 2015, 03:00 PM
This, apparently, is a first team QB stat line
84-175 (48.0%) 1,733 yards (157 per game) 15 TD 6 INT


Brion Carnes is a first team QB too, apparently, if that's the standard

- - - Updated - - -


I agree that Roberson isn't a very good passing quarterback but he is deadly running the read option. It is the same problem as a few years ago when Georgia Southern had McKinnon and should he make an All American team. Do you list an athlete spot and put Roberson there?

Dewey
Bailey is the better all around QB/athlete if you're going that route.

REALBird
November 30th, 2015, 03:07 PM
Roberson should not have made 1st team. I would agree with that.

Iannotti, either SDSU QB, by the volume of work you could make a case for either NDSU QB if Roberson was 1st team.

Sucks, but it would seem that the voters got caught up in name and conference finish rather than watching the results on the field.

clenz
November 30th, 2015, 03:10 PM
From my post in the "who should get honors from your team" thread


Interesting to compare Roberson (who many/most believe will be an all conference selection) to Bailey




G
Cmp
Att
Comp %
Yds
Yd/A
TDs
Int
Sacked
Yds
Rush
Yds
Yd/Rush
TDs
Total Yards
Total TD


Roberson
11
84
175
48
1733
9.9
15
6
15
118
100
630
6.3
9
2,363
24


Bailey
11
97
179
54.2
1362
7.6
9
6
29
191
195
1029
5.3
17
2,391
26




Keep in mind Bailey wasn't the starting QB until game 7

clenz
November 30th, 2015, 03:17 PM
For reference, here's Carnes's numbers from last year. Not too totally different from Roberson



G
Cmp
Att
Comp %
Yds


12
91
198
46
1182

Rollbird5
November 30th, 2015, 03:36 PM
Tre is ranked #1 in passing efficiency in the conference so if you go by just that he's the best! Voters must have been going on name recognition as Tre's injury really slowed down his passing game, happy ISU was recognized with many players tho!

JayJ79
November 30th, 2015, 04:12 PM
Took the easy way out and had two first team QBs.

is Farley coaching the team? xrotatehx

Professor Chaos
November 30th, 2015, 05:07 PM
Tre is ranked #1 in passing efficiency in the conference so if you go by just that he's the best! Voters must have been going on name recognition as Tre's injury really slowed down his passing game, happy ISU was recognized with many players tho!
You can thank whatever the MVFC policy is that kept NDSU's QBs off of their leaderboard for that. Either would've led the conference in pass efficiency had they been eligible. They must cap it at games played or something because Wentz actually had more pass attempts on the season than Roberson yet wasn't even included in the full season stats leaderboard. Stick played 5 of 8 conference games and had nearly 100 pass attempts in conference games yet wasn't included.

Schism55
November 30th, 2015, 05:13 PM
Passing efficiency must be calculated like the foundation for the leaning tower of pisa was calculated.
48% completion, lol.

Professor Chaos
November 30th, 2015, 05:16 PM
Passing efficiency must be calculated like the foundation for the leaning tower of pisa was calculated.
48% completion, lol.
It basically uses 4 primary components; completion percentage, yards per attempt, TDs per attempt, and INTs per attempt. Completion percentage for Roberson was not good but all 3 of the other metrics were quite good.

underdawg
November 30th, 2015, 05:22 PM
The bigger loss might be OC/ QB coach Nick Hill--super recruiter and you saw what he did with the offense. May be too young to be HCoach candidate--though many want him--I see him getting scooped up by Minnesota as QB coach there