Patriot League Pick 'em - Week 10

[carney2]

Three weeks to go.

HOLY CROSS @ LEHIGH
BUCKNELL @ FORDHAM
COLGATE @ LAFAYETTE

Bye: GEORGETOWN

[ngineer]

Three weeks to go.

HOLY CROSS @ LEHIGH
BUCKNELL @ FORDHAM
COLGATE @ LAFAYETTE

Bye: GEORGETOWN

Looks like we're going to have an interesting November after all!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Looks like we're going to have an interesting November after all!

Coen did say with some real confidence after last week that he thought Lehigh still had a chance to play for a championship. He was right about that...

[bonarae]

Lehigh
Fordham
Colgate

[Ivytalk]

Lehigh
Fordham
Colgate
Agreed.

[PAllen]

Lehigh
Fordham
Colgate

Pretty much. I didn't have the guts to call Colgate's win last week. This week Holy Cross could make me look bad.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Pretty much. I didn't have the guts to call Colgate's win last week. This week Holy Cross could make me look bad.

I picked Colgate. Fordham seemed so due an Hamilton this time of year is tough.

The Lehigh-HC game will be very interesting! Both teams have very capable offenses and equally incapable defenses. O/U should be about 75. Slight edge to Lehigh since they're at home?

[carney2]

HOLY CROSS @ LEHIGH - Pujals vs. the Lehigh defense. The big question is which Cross shows up, Jekyll or Hyde?

BUCKNELL @ FORDHAM - Pi$$ed off and playing at home.

COLGATE @ LAFAYETTE - The Pards are reclaiming bodies from the ICU. Too little. Too late.

[carney2]

A bevy of 4-4 teams pillow fighting for the championship. Shades of 2013, and another proud year for the Patriot League.

[ngineer]

Maybe Bucknell learned something from Raiders' tape and Bison have usually been tough against the Rams. Still, hard to pick against the Rams who now have their backs against the wall. Fordham 35-24.

'gate will be 'smelling it' and that will be more than the stench wafting over College Hill. Raider should be sky high and focused. Not good for the Frankasaurus men who will dutifully pound it up the middle. Colgate 38-10.

This could be a fireworks display at Goodman. Maybe the scoreboard short-circuits requiring it's replacement. Lehigh must find a way to continually pressure Pujals. When they have pressured the QB the defensive secondary has been okay, but they are not good enough if the QB is sitting in the rocking chair. Hawks will score enough, but will the D allow just enough? I see the team jelling--even in the fourth quarter at Fordham one could see the fight, so I think they see a meaningful November ahead and will focus enough to win. Lehigh 41-38.

[DFW HOYA]

Lehigh
Fordham
Colgate

This seems the early consensus.

[KillaBee]

Well, I must say... I had a great conversation with a very wise man on Saturday. We both agreed that Lafayette will win this week against Colgate. However, its going to be a close one. I said Jimmy, I believe the Pards will win by 27 and "too bet the house!!"

"μόνο ποντάρει το μισό από το σπίτι"which means ..... Only bet half the house.....

So I will take his wisdom and only bet Half.. It's a very difficult decision..

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Well, I must say... I had a great conversation with a very wise man on Saturday. We both agreed that Lafayette will win this week against Colgate. However, its going to be a close one. I said Jimmy, I believe the Pards will win by 27 and "too bet the house!!"

"μόνο ποντάρει το μισό από το σπίτι"which means ..... Only bet half the house.....

So I will take his wisdom and only bet Half.. It's a very difficult decision..




Personally I don't think you actually talked to Carney about anything on Saturday.

[Bill]

Had a rough one last week (2-2), with the Hoyas and Rams letting me down. I'm now at 32-15 on the year. Interestingly, 4 of my losses are all Lehigh...

On to week 10, where the cream rises - or perhaps floats up by default - to the top:

HOLY CROSS @ LEHIGH - Love to see the O/U on this one too. Can't imagine LU will stop Pujols. However, I'm not sure HC will stop LU either. I see a pick six or key kick return being the difference here.Gut says HC, heart says LU. LU, 56-49 in double OT.
BUCKNELL @ FORDHAM - Fordham's defensive struggles have been noted everywhere on this forum...but I don't think Bucknell has enough bullets to keep up. Rams, 43-30.
COLGATE @ LAFAYETTE - This is obviously Gate's title to lose. I think they crush LC, and set up a nice battle with Lehigh in the possible spoiler role. Red Raiders of the Shenago Valley, 32-7.

[carney2]

No one in the Bee World owns a house any longer. So I will have to use the grocery money to get in on this week's 27 point Leopard win over Colgate. The following week (the 14th) looks like a good week to double down, so I may have to hold a few quid back. The Pards will be playing Bye and I think they'll only be single digit dogs in that one.

[ColgateTD]

I picked Colgate. Fordham seemed so due an Hamilton this time of year is tough. Bright sunshine, negligible wind, dry conditions - what's not to like about Hammy in October? Weather wasn't a factor. Red Raiders just beat their a$$es.

[Gater]

And Fordham was as close as you can get to OT. Gotta give that team a ton of props for how it fought back and all of the plays they made at the end.

[Pard4Life]

No one in the Bee World owns a house any longer. So I will have to use the grocery money to get in on this week's 27 point Leopard win over Colgate. The following week (the 14th) looks like a good week to double down, so I may have to hold a few quid back. The Pards will be playing Bye and I think they'll only be single digit dogs in that one.

Unless KillaBee is Mitt Romeny. He has more houses than we have games.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Lost in last week was HC's last-second win over Bryant.

The PL went 3-2 versus the NEC this season.

Cross over Bryant*
Lehigh over CCSU*
Lafayette over Wagner

Duquesne* over Bucknell
SFPA* over Georgetown

The teams with the * indicate that they are currently in the NEC title race.

Is there anything that can be gleaned from this? Probably that the best team the NEC has to offer would be a few steps behind the top team of the PL, however, it also seems to indicate that the entire NEC would be competitive with the rest of the PL.

[carney2]

the entire NEC would be competitive with the rest of the PL.

At the moment St Ignatius Nunnery and Wine Storage Warehouse is competitive with "the rest of the PL." The League is not distinguishing itself in any way.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Week 10 Sportsbook:

Dartmouth (-35) vs. Cornell o/u 49

Penn (-3½) vs. Princeton o/u 67

Holy Cross (-3½) at Lehigh o/u 57

Yale (-1½) vs. Brown o/u 60

Fordham (-19) vs. Bucknell o/u 58

Colgate (-13½) at Lafayette o/u 40

Harvard (-27) at Columbia o/u 37

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Other Games of Interest:

Delaware (-10) vs. Albany o/u 39

William & Mary (-18) at Elon o/u 41

Villanova (-14½) at Rhode Island o/u 38

Richmond (-6½) at New Hampshire o/u 65

Towson (-3½) at Maine o/u 38

The Citadel (-24) vs. VMI o/u 62

[Gangtackle11]

Holy Cross
Fordham
Colgate

Last Week: 3-1 Season: 37-10

[Sandlapper Spike]

HOLY CROSS @ LEHIGH
BUCKNELL @ FORDHAM
COLGATE @ LAFAYETTE

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And, while I would not put any hard-earned cash on the proposition, I am dubious about The Citadel being a 24-point favorite over VMI. Highly dubious. (I would also lean to the over.)

[Go...gate]

And Fordham was as close as you can get to OT. Gotta give that team a ton of props for how it fought back and all of the plays they made at the end.

Agreed. They fought to the final whistle.

[eiu1999]

HOLY CROSS @ LEHIGH
BUCKNELL @ FORDHAM
COLGATE @ LAFAYETTE

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh-HC O/U 57? Both defenses are varying degrees of bad. Bit surprised HC is a road favorite. Seems like a toss-up with ever, ever so slight edge to Lehigh from a gambling perspective since they're at home. Two very even teams imo....

Lehigh has had HC's number recently winning 4/5. Historically the series is very even...

[Bill]

Week 10 Sportsbook:

Dartmouth (-35) vs. Cornell o/u 49

Penn (-3½) vs. Princeton o/u 67

Holy Cross (-3½) at Lehigh o/u 57

Yale (-1½) vs. Brown o/u 60

Fordham (-19) vs. Bucknell o/u 58

Colgate (-13½) at Lafayette o/u 40

Harvard (-27) at Columbia o/u 37

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Other Games of Interest:

Delaware (-10) vs. Albany o/u 39

William & Mary (-18) at Elon o/u 41

Villanova (-14½) at Rhode Island o/u 38

Richmond (-6½) at New Hampshire o/u 65

Towson (-3½) at Maine o/u 38

The Citadel (-24) vs. VMI o/u 62

wow. Lehigh gets three and a half points at home... And only 57 o/u. I hope to find the guts to bet each...and tease them together. Vegas knows more than me, but I think the o/u is way off.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

wow. Lehigh gets three and a half points at home... And only 57 o/u. I hope to find the guts to bet each...and tease them together. Vegas knows more than me, but I think the o/u is way off.

Yeah that O/U seems real fishy. As in 17-20 points off imo.

Dartmouth favored by 35 over Cornell and Fordham -19 against Bucknell also caught my eye. Those lines seem way too high...

[Bogus Megapardus]

I don't make up these lines, folks. I just post 'em! xdrunkyx

I'll check on Thursday to see if the lines have changed. I've seen Ivy and PL lines move as much as 4 points.

[crusader11]

I actually think that HC v. Lehigh line looks right. Basically saying that HC is roughly a touchdown favorite if the game is played at Fitton, which seems accurate.

I'm biased, but think HC is a tick better than Lehigh.

[Bogus Megapardus]

I'm biased, but think HC is a tick better than Lehigh.

I'm inclined to agree with you, crusader, and I don't necessarily think it will be all on Pujlas, either. HC can run the ball and I think they will this weekend. Lehigh rarely is a home dog in the PL.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I'm inclined to agree with you, crusader, and I don't necessarily think it will be all on Pujlas, either. HC can run the ball and I think they will this weekend. Lehigh rarely is a home dog in the PL.

I think HC's defense is better than Lehigh's but not by much. IMO, Lehigh's skill guys are better. They should be able to take advantage of the Crusaders relatively weak D. Lehigh also has the better special teams.

I've seen HC play quite a few teams and they've been a tough out even in their losses. PP is really good when he gets going but also really struggles at time. He and Shaf are a lot a like imo. Shaf a little better runner, PP a better arm. This will be a really good game.

[Lehigh'98]

Had a hunch about Colgate last week. Only game in question is HC/Lehigh this week. Even though Lehigh is a home dog, I don't think their defense will be able to stop Pujals after the 1Q. Lehigh normally seems to get off to a good start as they game plan well. However, once teams make adjustments they don't seem to have any answer. They have given up over 40 pts too many times to count the past few years. I see no reason why Cross won't drop at least 40. Lehigh will start fast, maybe jump pit 14-0, but HC will figure them out and LU once again won't be able to adjust. HC 45-31. I don't get any joy picking against Lehigh, but just sat thru the Gtown game and I think HC is better.

Gate and Fordham both comfortably cover.

[crusader11]

Sorry for picking apart aspects of your post, but I disagree on a few points.


IMO, Lehigh's skill guys are better.


I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a better due of receivers other than Flaherty and Raymond, who are one and two in receiving yards per game, and one and three in receiving touchdowns. Plus, Raymond is the best kick returner in the PL.


They should be able to take advantage of the Crusaders relatively weak D.

This is a misnomer, and the HC defense is better than you give it credit for. Against Bryant, seven of the 33 points came on a Pujals pick six. Also, thanks to a muffed opening kickoff return and blocked punt, Bryant began two of their possessions in the redzone, but came away with no points. The defense actually kept HC in the game when their offense sputtered for a good chunk of the second half.

HC has the second best scoring defense in the PL (23.0 PPG), has given up the third fewest yards, and has the second best pass defense. They also have the second most interceptions.


Lehigh also has the better special teams.


Based on...? Again, Raymond is the best return man in the PL.


PP is really good when he gets going but also really struggles at time.

I totally agree with this. He's not smart with some of his decisions, and forces passes into windows when he's better off taking a sack or throwing it away. This nearly cost HC the game against Bryant.


This will be a really good game.

I anticipate a great game, and will be driving down from NYC for it!

[Franks Tanks]

I think Holy Cross will beat Lehigh, but obviously this game could go either way.

Also Shaf and PP have very little in common. Shaf is a big bruiser who can't throw with accuracy more than 15 yards downfield. He is Tim Tebow. PP has an accurate and strong arm. He can run, but is not a "running" QB. He is also much smaller than Shaf. The Holy Cross WR's and RB's are more dangerous than usual. I think Cross suffered in years past from a lack of playmakers, but that is no longer the case. If Lehigh's guys are better, it is a slim margin.

[RichH2]

I think Holy Cross will beat Lehigh, but obviously this game could go either way.

Also Shaf and PP have very little in common. Shaf is a big bruiser who can't throw with accuracy more than 15 yards downfield. He is Tim Tebow. PP has an accurate and strong arm. He can run, but is not a "running" QB. He is also much smaller than Shaf. The Holy Cross WR's and RB's are more dangerous than usual. I think Cross suffered in years past from a lack of playmakers, but that is no longer the case. If Lehigh's guys are better, it is a slim margin.
Expect we'll see a lot of flailing D on both sides of the ball. Definite edge to Purple as their D is marginally better. If LU can stay fairly close til 4th,we will pull out a W.

[Southsider]

Had a hunch about Colgate last week. Only game in question is HC/Lehigh this week. Even though Lehigh is a home dog, I don't think their defense will be able to stop Pujals after the 1Q. Lehigh normally seems to get off to a good start as they game plan well. However, once teams make adjustments they don't seem to have any answer. They have given up over 40 pts too many times to count the past few years. I see no reason why Cross won't drop at least 40. Lehigh will start fast, maybe jump pit 14-0, but HC will figure them out and LU once again won't be able to adjust. HC 45-31. I don't get any joy picking against Lehigh, but just sat thru the Gtown game and I think HC is better.

Gate and Fordham both comfortably cover.

Been the story for the last few years. How come we all know it, but the "paid staff" (borrowed phrase from someone on here) doesn't seem to??

[Lehigh Football Nation]

While everybody seems to want to talk Cross/Lehigh, Bucknell/Fordham looms as an enormous game as well. The Bison could also get to 7-4, need to see how Fordham bounces back. If Fordham gets both of the next two, they have to be in as an at-large or conference champ. If they lose this game or the next game... is it enough?

[Fordham]

While everybody seems to want to talk Cross/Lehigh, Bucknell/Fordham looms as an enormous game as well. The Bison could also get to 7-4, need to see how Fordham bounces back. If Fordham gets both of the next two, they have to be in as an at-large or conference champ. If they lose this game or the next game... is it enough? No way we get in if we lose imo

[heath]

If Mayes starts/or plays most of the game,allowing Shaf to do the wildcat or move to a slot with Mayes in the game(trickery),this could be a huge win. Otherwise, the D must produce 4-5 sacks and 2-3 turnovers. Our best/not only chance to win is with the freshman QB.

[RichH2]

Been the story for the last few years. How come we all know it, but the "paid staff" (borrowed phrase from someone on here) doesn't seem to??
Odd to realize that 2ndary play this year is better,but still not good.
About all you can,since Lambert and Githens went down,is that they are in position to make plays but rarely do. Have to believe D staff is as aware of the issues as we are. Probably more so. One wonders tho at the failure to adjust to changs in the opposing O. Or the continued ineffectiveness to get INTs or break up passes. All of ours are fast and athletic, yet dont seem to have improved.
Quandries aside, for LU to win they must do what they haven't done all year,limit their pass attack.

[CFBfan]

While everybody seems to want to talk Cross/Lehigh, Bucknell/Fordham looms as an enormous game as well. The Bison could also get to 7-4, need to see how Fordham bounces back. If Fordham gets both of the next two, they have to be in as an at-large or conference champ. If they lose this game or the next game... is it enough?

If Gate wins their next 2 (LC & LU) then they are Conf Champs for PL auto-bid period not matter what FU does.

[ColgateTD]

4-0 last week; 30-4 on the season.

Lehigh over HC - Puhols has a bad day at Goodman; advantage to the home team, 32-28.
Fordham over Bucknell - Rams come loaded for bear after smarting from Hamilton loss, 24-15.
Colgate over Lafayette - Red Raiders found their groove and begin march to championship, 32-7.

[carney2]

Apologies. I forgot to nominate a Game of the Week. It's obvious:

Holy Cross @ Lehigh

[Bogus Megapardus]

Apologies. I forgot to nominate a Game of the Week. It's obvious:

Holy Cross @ Lehigh

Bucknell at Fordham should get honorable mention, though. Fordham can't simply cruise-control its final two games.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

If Gate wins their next 2 (LC & LU) then they are Conf Champs for PL auto-bid period not matter what FU does.

Correct. All I meant was that if they win their last two, they are either conference champ (if Colgate loses) or strong at-large team (9-2 with a win over Army).

[Bill]

4-0 last week; 30-4 on the season
30-4... Really? That's incredible! Are you the new Jimmy the Greek?xsmiley_wix

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Seems to be a good a place as any to talk about the PL championship scenarios.

* Colgate wins out - Colgate are sole PL champs and win autobid. Fordham 9-2 would be strong at-large candidate.

* Colgate loses to Lehigh, Lehigh wins out, Fordham loses to either Bucknell or G'Town - Lehigh and Colgate are co-champs. Lehigh wins autobid by virtue of head-to-head win.

* Colgate loses to Lehigh, Lehigh wins out, Fordham wins out - Colgate, Fordham and Lehigh are co-champs. Fordham wins autobid by virtue of all the broken tiebreakers:

– Record of all the teams in the tie (push; all would be 2-1)
– Record of all the teams against other PL members (push; all would be 3-0)
– Record against common OOC opponents (again, a push. LU and Fordham both beat Penn, CU and LU both lost vs. Princeton and Yale)
– “If a tie still exists, a committee consisting of the athletics directors of each of the institutions not involved in the tie will make a final decision. The committee should consider various factors including, but not limited to, the following examples. Note: the examples are listed in no particular order:
a). strength of schedule
b). overall record
c). computer rankings
d). performance during second half of season”
So it would head to this final tiebreaker. Fordham, with their win over Army, would almost certainly win this tiebreaker

* Finally, there are the 2-loss scenarios that are too numerous to mention involving Lehigh, Holy Cross, Colgate, Bucknell, Fordham, and Georgetown. Too much depends on which teams end up in the tie. However, to be in that sort tie Bucknell, Holy Cross, and G'Town would all have to win out all their games and Colgate would have to lose twice.

[Pard4Life]

30-4... Really? That's incredible! Are you the new Jimmy the Greek?xsmiley_wix

Let's audit those results!

[Pard4Life]

Y'all forgetting about the upset of the week: THE LEOPARDS OVER THE RED RAIDERS!!!

The Leopards will win by 31. Why? It's a prime number, and the Leopards are learning to play like one team, under Tavani, INDIVISBLE, and touchdowns for all!!!

BET THE HOUSE!!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

After further review I think this is a HUGE game for both Holy Cross's and Lehigh's seasons. I think the winner has a good chance to finish the year strong and carry good momentum into next year. The loser has the potential to lose out and really end the year in the dumps.

If Lehigh loses this game and heads up to Hamilton with nothing to play how will that go? Then they'll get a likely 1-9 Lafayette team off of a bye to save the season? A train wreck final month and Coen SHOULD feel serious heat. In fact, 0-3 and a 4-7 final record should result in serious changes...

Holy Cross will have Bucknell and their recent nemesis Georgetown. An 0-3 November that's capped with another loss to Georgetown? Yikes....

Like I said, huge game for Gilmore and Coen and their respective programs imo....

[crusader11]

After further review I think this is a HUGE game for both Holy Cross's and Lehigh's seasons. I think the winner has a good chance to finish the year strong and carry good momentum into next year. The loser has the potential to lose out and really end the year in the dumps.

If Lehigh loses this game and heads up to Hamilton with nothing to play how will that go? Then they'll get a likely 1-9 Lafayette team off of a bye to save the season? A train wreck final month and Coen SHOULD feel serious heat. In fact, 0-3 and a 4-7 final record should result in serious changes...

Holy Cross will have Bucknell and their recent nemesis Georgetown. An 0-3 November that's capped with another loss to Georgetown? Yikes....

Like I said, huge game for Gilmore and Coen and their respective programs imo....

QFT

I totally agree with you. If HC wins, I'd be shocked if they don't finish the season 7-4, winners of their finial four games.

[Bill]

Let's audit those results!
Yes, I agree. Also- how has Colgate td only 34 games... I think I've picked 47 games. I didn't know we could skip games we didn't want to go out on a limb for 😜

[Fordham]

Seems to be a good a place as any to talk about the PL championship scenarios.

* Colgate wins out - Colgate are sole PL champs and win autobid. Fordham 9-2 would be strong at-large candidate.

* Colgate loses to Lehigh, Lehigh wins out, Fordham loses to either Bucknell or G'Town - Lehigh and Colgate are co-champs. Lehigh wins autobid by virtue of head-to-head win.

* Colgate loses to Lehigh, Lehigh wins out, Fordham wins out - Colgate, Fordham and Lehigh are co-champs. Fordham wins autobid by virtue of all the broken tiebreakers:

– Record of all the teams in the tie (push; all would be 2-1)
– Record of all the teams against other PL members (push; all would be 3-0)
– Record against common OOC opponents (again, a push. LU and Fordham both beat Penn, CU and LU both lost vs. Princeton and Yale)
– “If a tie still exists, a committee consisting of the athletics directors of each of the institutions not involved in the tie will make a final decision. The committee should consider various factors including, but not limited to, the following examples. Note: the examples are listed in no particular order:
a). strength of schedule
b). overall record
c). computer rankings
d). performance during second half of season”
So it would head to this final tiebreaker. Fordham, with their win over Army, would almost certainly win this tiebreaker

* Finally, there are the 2-loss scenarios that are too numerous to mention involving Lehigh, Holy Cross, Colgate, Bucknell, Fordham, and Georgetown. Too much depends on which teams end up in the tie. However, to be in that sort tie Bucknell, Holy Cross, and G'Town would all have to win out all their games and Colgate would have to lose twice.

Thanks for laying this out. So a Fordham fan is rooting for Lehigh to win out as long as we do as well but a PL fan is hoping for Colgate and Fordham to win out so we can (hopefully) get two playoff participants, right?

For me, as long as we get in, that's great. I don't see us getting very far either way with our D this year, so I don't see it as a huge deal for us to win the PL (although overall it would be a great feather in the team's cap to win back to back titles) and possibly get an easier head to head match-up or home game. I may change my view on that as the season winds down though. Right now I think it would be pretty cool to have two PL teams back in the playoffs though.

[carney2]

Lafayette supposedly has the entire offensive line that started the first two games available for this week. Don't know if these are they guys who were the probable starters at the beginning of August, but I doubt it. The injuries occurred early and often. I'm hoping that Andy or Franks can unravel that fine point.

Apparently the head coach had a big bowl of Frosted Frankosaurs for breakfast because he says he's going back to the run this week. The crystal ball says there will be a lot of second and longs.

[Bill]

Lafayette supposedly has the entire offensive line that started the first two games available for this week. Don't know if these are they guys who were the probable starters at the beginning of August, but I doubt it. The injuries occurred early and often. I'm hoping that Andy or Franks can unravel that fine point.

Apparently the head coach had a big bowl of Frosted Frankosaurs for breakfast because he says he's going back to the run this week. The crystal ball says there will be a lot of second and longs.

Bogie - how about a photoshop special, for old times sake? xbowx

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Lafayette supposedly has the entire offensive line that started the first two games available for this week. Don't know if these are they guys who were the probable starters at the beginning of August, but I doubt it. The injuries occurred early and often. I'm hoping that Andy or Franks can unravel that fine point.

Apparently the head coach had a big bowl of Frosted Frankosaurs for breakfast because he says he's going back to the run this week. The crystal ball says there will be a lot of second and longs.

I thought Frank's breakfast of choice was Frosted Frankenberry. Or Fruit Brute. I'm not really sure.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2664/3867534863_287eecf99b.jpg

[Franks Tanks]

Lafayette supposedly has the entire offensive line that started the first two games available for this week. Don't know if these are they guys who were the probable starters at the beginning of August, but I doubt it. The injuries occurred early and often. I'm hoping that Andy or Franks can unravel that fine point.

Apparently the head coach had a big bowl of Frosted Frankosaurs for breakfast because he says he's going back to the run this week. The crystal ball says there will be a lot of second and longs.

I'm not sure either. I haven't been playing attention as closely as other years.

I can say that I like the young guys we have. They are more athletic and have much better feet and pad level than some of the guys we've had in the recent past. They will be good, but aren't that great yet as they need to get stronger and in better shape. Bottom line, I think, getting these kids back will have an impact but the line will still be below average given youth and the fact that the guys that came back are rusty. I suppose the line will go from horrific to an acceptable level of below average.

Now if we can get the DB's to go from horrific to below average we may have a slim chance. Even when injuries are removed from the equation, our DB play has been questionable. Many of the guys we trotted out look lost from a schematic and also technique perspective. I am really concerned about the extremely poor technique and angles displayed by some of our young guys. Art Link and his staff don't appear to be doing a very good job teaching fundamentals.

[crusader11]

While everybody seems to want to talk Cross/Lehigh, Bucknell/Fordham looms as an enormous game as well. The Bison could also get to 7-4, need to see how Fordham bounces back. If Fordham gets both of the next two, they have to be in as an at-large or conference champ. If they lose this game or the next game... is it enough?

Nobody is talking about Bucknell because it's generally thought they're not very good.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Nobody is talking about Bucknell because it's generally thought they're not very good.

And here I was thinking it's because they were busy talking about preseason hoops practice.

[crusader11]

And here I was thinking it's because they were busy talking about preseason hoops practice.

That, too!

[RichH2]

Top 3 topics for Bison
College of Management
Cross Country
Track a.d Field
Football just not a high priority on Buck board :)

[van]

HOLY CROSS @ LEHIGH - Pujals scares me, but our D is playing a little tougher albeit not consistent, homer pick for sure this week

BUCKNELL @ FORDHAM - buffs just can't score even against Rams

COLGATE @ LAFAYETTE - Gators getting it going as the season rolls on, Pards better but .....

31-17 on the year

[ColgateTD]

Yes, I agree. Also- how has Colgate td only 34 games... I think I've picked 47 games. I didn't know we could skip games we didn't want to go out on a limb for 

I thought I explained all this awhile back. I was missing for the first couple of weeks of the season. Honest injun! No lie. (I'm amazed myself at how perfect I've been this season, even tho truncated for moi)

[Bill]

I thought I explained all this awhile back. I was missing for the first couple of weeks of the season. Honest injun! No lie. (I'm amazed myself at how perfect I've been this season, even tho truncated for moi)
Ok, fair enough. I probably missed your earlier post- too busy reading up that Lafayette v New Hampshire thread!

[Go...gate]

Lehigh 27, Holy Cross 23

Fordham 24, Bucknell 7

Colgate 21, Lafayette 20

Bonus Pick: Pennsylvania 26, Princeton 17

[ColgateTD]

Lehigh 27, Holy Cross 23

Fordham 24, Bucknell 7

Colgate 21, Lafayette 20

Bonus Pick: Pennsylvania 26, Princeton 17


Gee....a lot of tight games Go...Gate. Is that 'Gate-Pards prediction for real?

[KillaBee]

Y'all forgetting about the upset of the week: THE LEOPARDS OVER THE RED RAIDERS!!!

The Leopards will win by 31. Why? It's a prime number, and the Leopards are learning to play like one team, under Tavani, INDIVISBLE, and touchdowns for all!!!

BET THE HOUSE!!\


YES YES YES.... Join the winners... Pard, Iam gald you finally see that the Pards will win against Gate. I'm back to betting the house on this one. I've researched and looked at all statistics and it's all pointing to a PARD victory!!!!
The Pards are due.

1. A broken clock is right twice a day!

2. Even a Garbage can gets a steak.

Long over due. and the time is right for a victory for the Leopards...
All those who are picking Colgate, sorry to let you know The Leopards Will WIN!!!!!

and as always, I urge everyone to BET THE HOUSE ON THIS ONE!!!

- - - Updated - - -


Y'all forgetting about the upset of the week: THE LEOPARDS OVER THE RED RAIDERS!!!

The Leopards will win by 31. Why? It's a prime number, and the Leopards are learning to play like one team, under Tavani, INDIVISBLE, and touchdowns for all!!!

BET THE HOUSE!!\

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Even a Garbage can gets a steak

As accurate a description of #Rivalry150 as any other.

[LehighU11]

Even a Garbage can gets a steak.


Wanna know how we can tell that you aren't a Lafayette alum, nor a PL alum? #thecurseofliteracy

[BucBisonAtLarge]

Lehigh
Fordham- The Bison usually play well on Rose Hill, but I can't muster up that monstrous a homer pick.
Colgate

[Lehigh Football Nation]

My Holy Cross/Lehigh Game Preview:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2015/11/game-preview-holy-cross-at-lehigh.html

#TheCurseOfLiteracy

[ColgateTD]

LFN: enjoyed your blogspot game preview :)

[Gate83]

LFN: enjoyed your blogspot game preview :)

One major problem with the preview; no love for the Transfusion? Given the balmy weather I'd think summer drinks should be considered, and depending on the amount of vodka added in you can match the color to the Holy Cross jerseys!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

One major problem with the preview; no love for the Transfusion? Given the balmy weather I'd think summer drinks should be considered, and depending on the amount of vodka added in you can match the color to the Holy Cross jerseys!

This is duly noted. Normally this would have been a VERY strong candidate but google "Purple drink" and see what I mean. I decided I didn't want to go purple at all.

[Leopard Loyalist]

HOLY CROSS @ LEHIGH
BUCKNELL @ FORDHAM
COLGATE @ LAFAYETTE

35-12 for the season so far. Kind of eager for it all to be over....

[RichH2]

31-16 (ugh)
Fordham
Colgate
Lehigh

[Sader87]

The Apple-1 nearly perfect last week save for a late HC FG.

This week:

Colgate 31 Laffy 13...Red Raiders playing with a purpose.

Fordham 38 Bucknell 20 Rams take their frustations out on the Bison.

Lehigh 48 HC 45 1991 redux with the winnah flipped.

[RichH2]

The Apple-1 nearly perfect last week save for a late HC FG.

This week:

Colgate 31 Laffy 13...Red Raiders playing with a purpose.

Fordham 38 Bucknell 20 Rams take their frustations out on the Bison.

Lehigh 48 HC 45 1991 redux with the winnah flipped.
Hope you're right hoops. Think a shootout favors the Purples.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Colgate 38 Lafayette 24 - Lafayette is getting healthy just in time. for Lehigh. They showed some flashes against Bucknell but didn't have enough. I think they put forth a competitive effort against Colgate....

Fordham 31 Bucknell 27 - Pretty much every Fordham game is close and this shouldn't be any different. The Bison have come so close to beating the Rams recently. Maybe this is the year?

Holy Cross 38 Lehigh 34 - This is a toss-up game if there ever was one imo. I don't think either fan base should feel confident about this game. My belief is that HC's defense is one or two possessions better than Lehigh. The turnover battle will be huge. Lehigh has been horrific at creating turnovers the last 2-3 years. As a said previously, I believe the loser finishes the year in a tailspin which causes the respective fan base to demand change. I have a bad feeling Lehigh is headed for 4-7.....

[Gate83]

This is duly noted. Normally this would have been a VERY strong candidate but google "Purple drink" and see what I mean. I decided I didn't want to go purple at all.

Discussed this with a friend just now as we had a Transfusion, which is a "purple drink" and not "purple drank." A large distinction!

My friend is from Stanford & says he has a pal who cooks the meat of the other mascot at every tailgate he attends. So has prepared duck, buffalo, bear, etc. Realized just now that I missed out on the critical question... what does he cook when they play the Trojans?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Discussed this with a friend just now as we had a Transfusion, which is a "purple drink" and not "purple drank." A large distinction!

My friend is from Stanford & says he has a pal who cooks the meat of the other mascot at every tailgate he attends. So has prepared duck, buffalo, bear, etc. Realized just now that I missed out on the critical question... what does he cook when they play the Trojans?

The answer has to be tripe, right?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Game Breakdown and Fearless Prediction, Holy Cross at Lehigh:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2015/11/game-breakdown-holy-cross-at-lehigh.html

[PAllen]

Discussed this with a friend just now as we had a Transfusion, which is a "purple drink" and not "purple drank." A large distinction!

My friend is from Stanford & says he has a pal who cooks the meat of the other mascot at every tailgate he attends. So has prepared duck, buffalo, bear, etc. Realized just now that I missed out on the critical question... what does he cook when they play the Trojans?

Let's just say it comes "wrapped".

[Bogus Megapardus]

Why? It's a prime number

"Three" is a prime number as well. Befitting for a Leopard point total, I'm afraid. xeyebrowx

[carney2]

Game Breakdown and Fearless Prediction, Holy Cross at Lehigh:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2015/11/game-breakdown-holy-cross-at-lehigh.html

Oh my God, LFN has predicted a BrownSlime victory. Whoever would have imagined that?!!

[Go...gate]

Gee....a lot of tight games Go...Gate. Is that 'Gate-Pards prediction for real?

I hope it is not, but I worry about a letdown by Colgate. In addition, the 'Pards are getting some men back from injury, so they could be very tough.

Anything can happen in a conference game. Colgate proved that last week. Best and most consistent football I have seen them play against a quality opponent in a while, but they have to buckle down and do it again.

[crusader11]

Maybe it's the homer in me, but I feel pretty confident that HC wins by two scores tomorrow.

Excited to get to Goodman for the first time since 2009. One of the best settings for a college football game as there is anywhere.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Bonus Picks:

Bet the bathroom on Colgate, 28-10 - a "letdown" in a way but plenty to beat the Leopards

Fordham, 37-6 - as much as I'd love Bucknell to spring the upset methinks the Rams are angry

[Bogus Megapardus]

Maybe it's the homer in me, but I feel pretty confident that HC wins by two scores tomorrow.

Excited to get to Goodman for the first time since 2009. One of the best settings for a college football game as there is anywhere.

I will rub my hands in glee if you are correct, crusader. Any chance to see brown go down is welcome in my book. But two scores might be pushing it - unless it's a safety and an extra point. xrotatehx

This game is going to be a see-saw IMHO, with the team in possession as time runs out as the winner.

It might be the best game of the PL season.

[RichH2]

Bad news for LU ,Caslow out sick.

[RichH2]

1st play 61 yd TD pass to Knott

[Pard4Life]

Fordham 34 Bucknell 14 - Rams too much

Holy Cross 28 Lehigh 21... Cross more complete right now

Colgate 35, Lafayette 7... Colgate is playing for something

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Lehigh!!

14-3 Lehigh 7:40....unfortunately Lehigh still has to play for another 50 plus minutes....

[RichH2]

Shaf on the run .Better to be up no matter the time left :).

[Lehigh Football Nation]

If Lehigh scores a TD on this drive, this is going to get out of Gilmore's control real fast.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh's D is looking like the '85 Bears. Similar to last week. They're knocking PP around pretty good...

[FordhamFan]

Fordham's defense is not bad. Bad would be WAY too kind. This team just can't stop a soul.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Bragalone is legit! He just trucked 3 HC defenders for a TD!

21-3 Lehigh...

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Cross is in trouble. This is looking like a Lehigh blowout.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Cross is in trouble. This is looking like a Lehigh blowout.

Looks like last week. Plenty of football left. Although could be one Gilmore's ugly performances he's been know for the last few years. Crusaders look completely unprepared...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

HC having to play with urgency is not good LU D....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Cross! Game on! This is going to be wild...

Lehigh 21 HC 10 8:57 2Q

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Pujals just remembered he had Brendan Flaherty. Lehigh needs a long time consuming TD drive here.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh has put the ball on the ground a few time already. They've lost one...secure the ball!!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

3rd and 7 and Lehigh powers for a first....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Lehigh! Lehigh OL is playing really well! Defense needs to put the clamps on before half. Who gets 2nd half kickoff?

Missed XP..ugh...

27-10 Lehigh about 4 minutes 2Q

[hawkineer]

Can you say Lum and Colvin 2015?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I'm calling him Vulture Shaf from now on and nobody can stop me

[Lehigh'98]

Lafayette up 2 scores?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Secondary is playing great!!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

This is like the Colgate game in 2010! Ridiculous! The skills guys are so good...

Lehigh 34 HC 10 1:44 2Q

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Another Lehigh TD! Mayes has a really good arm!

41-10 0:21 2Q

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Colgate. There was a pretty epic Tavani rant after a terrible penalty against LC...

Raiders 14 Lafayette 13

[RichH2]

ripani,ou with knee injury. We must show up in 3rd.

[hawkineer]

Rip ante looked more like an ankle.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

HC scores on their first possession of the 2nd half....ohh the defense...

Lehigh 41 HC 17 12:55 3Q

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Shafnisky fumbles the ball...HC ball near midfield...plenty of time left...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

HC caught a huge break. PP fumbled the ball on a definitive touch back but the refs gave the ball back to HC. Really bad miss....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD HC...just got interesting again...refs really screwed that one up....

Lehigh 44 HC 24 1:29 3Q

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

After scoring 41 points in the first half the offense has been very "meh" in the second...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh with a great drive to finish off HC.

Lehigh 51 HC 24 5:05 4Q

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD HC...

51-31 2:05 4Q....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Colgate 21 Lafayette 19 11:44 4Q
Fordham 17 Bucknell 10 10;06 4Q

[UNHWildcat18]

Colgate 21 Lafayette 19 11:44 4Q
Fordham 17 Bucknell 10 10;06 4Q

Really need Colgate to win out. If UNH wins out and Colgate wins the PL then we should get in. Tall order for us though

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh's defense is so bad....TD HC!

Lehigh 51 Holy Cross 38 1:38 4Q

[van]

Lehigh's defense is so bad....TD HC!

Lehigh 51 Holy Cross 38 1:38 4Q

aw come on Owl, they had the second team in

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Bucknell fails on a two point conversion...trails Fordham 17-16 1:44 4Q

[RichH2]

aw come on Owl, they had the second team in
Yup and a couple of 3rd string at LB and DL

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

aw come on Owl, they had the second team in

That looked like the Temple-SMU game last night! Nice to get a win....the next two will now be very interesting. A lot to play for....

[RichH2]

Giving up 38,might be silly to say D played pretty well but they did. Great 1st half,meh 3rd and very good 4th up to meaningless late TD vs subs.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Giving up 38,might be silly to say D played pretty well but they did. Great 1st half,meh 3rd and very good 4th up to meaningless late TD vs subs.

I know. The one TD for HC clearly came after a touch back fumble. Still, with Colgate up next week they need to keep improving. Three straight weeks of getting out scored in the 2nd half by a significant margin. Need to tighten that up to win out....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Fordham is going to close out Bucknell 24-16...

A bit surprised BU went for two given how good their defense played...

[crusader11]

Well that sucked. I was impressed with Brad Mayes and the Lehigh OL and ground and pound game -- wish HC could do that.

That was an old fashioned ass kicking. Congrats to Lehigh. I sense that this is the end for Gilmore.

[carney2]

If Tavani is going to resign this year, NOW is the time to do it.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I really question Bucknell's call for the 2 point conversion. On the road, with that little time, don't you play for the tie? Not only that, it was almost IDENTICAL to that awful Colts attempt that was so ridiculed. I never felt like it had a chance as they were lining up.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I really question Bucknell's call for the 2 point conversion. On the road, with that little time, don't you play for the tie? Not only that, it was almost IDENTICAL to that awful Colts attempt that was so ridiculed. I never felt like it had a chance as they were lining up.

Three straight heart breaking losses for the Bison against Fordham. The Rams have lived their 9 lives this years....

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Was Young ejected from the game for targeting at the end of the 1st half? That was an enormous call if so. I felt like it was a hugely questionable call as well.

[crusader11]

Was Young ejected from the game for targeting at the end of the 1st half? That was an enormous call if so. I felt like it was a hugely questionable call as well.

He was. It was a bogus call that didn't even warrant a penalty. Oh well, not the reason HC lost today.

I could see the holes in the Lehigh defense, but that's a very balanced offense with running and passing. Mayes will be a real nice PL QB.

[van]

gotta give props to the OL, they were the star of the game IMHO

[LUHawker]

He was. It was a bogus call that didn't even warrant a penalty. Oh well, not the reason HC lost today.

I think it was a PI penalty, but not a targeting, so really bad call.

[crusader11]

I think it was a PI penalty, but not a targeting, so really bad call.

If it was for PI, then there wouldn't have been an ejection. I could have sworn it was targeting.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

It's November and Lehigh is headed to Hamilton with a league title on the line. I think we've heard that before! Hate The Gate Week right? Going to be fun...

[Lehigh Football Nation]

If it was for PI, then there wouldn't have been an ejection. I could have sworn it was targeting.

The announcers said targeting if I recall. They did show him heading to the locker room and Gilmore was not pleased at all with him.

[van]

think Hawker was agreeing, should not have been targeting call, maybe PI but not targeting

[RichH2]

Ref should have kept flag in his pocket.

[aceinthehole]

It's November and Lehigh is headed to Hamilton with a league title on the line. I think we've heard that before! Hate The Gate Week right? Going to be fun...

What is the Patriot AQ tiebreaker if 3 teams (Colgate, Lehigh, Fordham) finish with a 5-1 league record, and are 1-1 against each other?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

What is the Patriot AQ tiebreaker if 3 teams (Colgate, Lehigh, Fordham) finish with a 5-1 league record, and are 1-1 against each other?

It's pretty complicated but from what I gather Fordham will get the AQ ....

[Lehigh Football Nation]

* If Lehigh and Fordham finish 5-1 in PL play, they are co-champions and Fordham gets the autobid based on head-to-head win.

* If Lehigh and Colgate finish 5-1 in PL play, they are co-champions and Lehigh gets the autobid based on head-to-head win.

* If Lehigh, Fordham and Colgate finish 5-1 in PL play, the tiebreakers go down as follows:
– Record of all the teams in the tie (push; all would be 2-1)
– Record of all the teams against other PL members (push; all would be 3-0)
– Record against common OOC opponents (again, a push. LU and Fordham both beat Penn, CU and LU both lost vs. Princeton and Yale)
– “If a tie still exists, a committee consisting of the athletics directors of each of the institutions not involved in the tie will make a final decision. The committee should consider various factors including, but not limited to, the following examples. Note: the examples are listed in no particular order:
a). strength of schedule
b). overall record
c). computer rankings
d). performance during second half of season”
So it would head to this final tiebreaker. Fordham, with their win over Army, would almost certainly win this tiebreaker.

[carney2]

4 minutes to go in the game, down 9, 4th and 3. Tavani punts. I don't care where you are on the field (they were in their own end - maybe the 25) but you need two scores and have already lost 8 games. What's the worst that can happen if you go for it?!!

[aceinthehole]

Thanks. If a similar thing would have happened in the NEC with a 3-way tie with Bryant, CCSU, and Duquesne (5-1) with the only loss against each other, it goes to the Sargin rating.

That's all moot as CCSU lost today, so now Bryant just has to win out to earn the AQ (they have the head-to-head tiebreaker over both Duquesne and Saint Francis).

[Lehigh'98]

Too bad Bucknell couldn't pull the upset today. Looks like Mayes will be the starter going forward. Might be onto something here if we could get some defense going.

[CFBfan]

I really question Bucknell's call for the 2 point conversion. On the road, with that little time, don't you play for the tie? Not only that, it was almost IDENTICAL to that awful Colts attempt that was so ridiculed. I never felt like it had a chance as they were lining up.

on the road you play to WIN at HOME play to tie (so they say)

[PAllen]

* If Lehigh and Fordham finish 5-1 in PL play, they are co-champions and Fordham gets the autobid based on head-to-head win.

* If Lehigh and Colgate finish 5-1 in PL play, they are co-champions and Lehigh gets the autobid based on head-to-head win.

* If Lehigh, Fordham and Colgate finish 5-1 in PL play, the tiebreakers go down as follows:
– Record of all the teams in the tie (push; all would be 2-1)
– Record of all the teams against other PL members (push; all would be 3-0)
– Record against common OOC opponents (again, a push. LU and Fordham both beat Penn, CU and LU both lost vs. Princeton and Yale)
– “If a tie still exists, a committee consisting of the athletics directors of each of the institutions not involved in the tie will make a final decision. The committee should consider various factors including, but not limited to, the following examples. Note: the examples are listed in no particular order:
a). strength of schedule
b). overall record
c). computer rankings
d). performance during second half of season”
So it would head to this final tiebreaker. Fordham, with their win over Army, would almost certainly win this tiebreaker.

So if (and that's a big if at least for Lehigh) this plays out, Lehigh would have the best second half of the three. Would getting two teams into the playoffs be part of this discussion?

[Pard4Life]

4 minutes to go in the game, down 9, 4th and 3. Tavani punts. I don't care where you are on the field (they were in their own end - maybe the 25) but you need two scores and have already lost 8 games. What's the worst that can happen if you go for it?!!

A Colgate timeout saw lafayette reconsider and guess what: we got the first down. A coach probably chewed tavani's ear. Was it that difficult?

[Pard4Life]

Lafayette's QB is bad. Lehigh should have some fun with that.

[CFBfan]

Lafayette's QB is bad. Lehigh should have some fun with that.

on your 2nd possession (after Gate tried a 4th down from their OWN 37 in the FIRST QUARTER and FAILED...what a STUPID call!!) your QB threw TWO TD passes to #2 and her dropped BOTH of them!!!! might have been a different game?!?!

[Gate83]

4 minutes to go in the game, down 9, 4th and 3. Tavani punts. I don't care where you are on the field (they were in their own end - maybe the 25) but you need two scores and have already lost 8 games. What's the worst that can happen if you go for it?!!

Our sideline was so surprised by the call we couldn't get the punt team on the field, had to call timeout... at which point Pards reconsidered. You guys have to put up with that every week?

On the plus side Pards don't look to me to be any different from other PL teams talent-wise. Now that you've got some players back I'd think you can play with the Engineers in a couple of weeks. And Fisher was a great spot for a game, though if we had known about Bacon Fest prior to arrival we might never have made it to the game...

[bison137]

I really question Bucknell's call for the 2 point conversion. On the road, with that little time, don't you play for the tie? Not only that, it was almost IDENTICAL to that awful Colts attempt that was so ridiculed. I never felt like it had a chance as they were lining up.



I was was fine with it for several reasons:

1. Susan has had great success since he has been there with trick plays. In fact, they used that identical formation to make a crucial 2-point play that allowed them to beat VMI earlier this year. In that case, the defense played it differently and they easily converted. In this case, Fordham defended it well and Nitti misread the defense. They also used a similar shift to draw a crucial penalty a few weeks ago

2. Due to injuries, Bucknell has no defensive depth whatsoever and has basically been playing only the same 11 players on D for every play. By the end, they may have been gassed.

3. Bucknell has had a shaky kicking game and has missed two PATs this year. They just changed kickers last week - putting in their freshman punter to do double duty. He is a very good punter. Not sure how good his kicking is. Unfortunately they had a very good FG kicker who developed a serious stress fracture and other foot problems last year. Had surgery and his kicking future is seriously in doubt. Transferred back home.

[LUHawker]

think Hawker was agreeing, should not have been targeting call, maybe PI but not targeting
Ding, ding, ding. Yes, I thought the refs made the wrong assessment of the penalty. No way he should have been ejected. Very unfortunate and I felt badly for the player as it clearly was not intentional.

[ngineer]

Just got in from a very nice dinner at "Hook", a new seafood restaurant in Allentown. I was at Goodman and was 'blown away' by our offense in the first half. Other than the two lost fumbles, one which lead directly to HC's first TD, it was the best the O has looked in years. The OL was blowing huge holes in the Crusaders' def front. I'd give that group the 'offensive players of the game". Mayes is the real deal. great arm and accurate and the three-headed monster that is growing in the backfield is going to be something going forward. If we get anything resembling a defense, this team is going places. Unfortunately, it appears we have lost Caslow for the season with mono. Ripanti hurt his ankle, but not sure how bad. Robb played tremendous in place of Caslow, but we're getting thin on D. Great pressure the first half against Pujols. He completed less that 50% of his passes and a lot of short stuff. Secondary got two picks. 400 yards of offense in the first half! Andy obviously went conservative in the second half to run the clock. Next Saturday in Hamilton is going to be "UUUUUUge". Will be "on the bus" (motto of the South Side Boosters) at 7 a.m. for the ride up to the tundra.

[FordhamFan]

Bucknell 100 percent made the right call to go for two. You gotta go for the win there on the road. Bucky will always be the game I worry about most as a Fordham guy, they are tough MFers under Susan and simply seem to have our number defensively. A great game, regardless of end result.

[ngineer]

Has FU lost some OL. What's up with Edmonds' tremendous drop in production last two games?

[FordhamFan]

Has FU lost some OL. What's up with Edmonds' tremendous drop in production last two games?

Nobody of note, no. Besides Mayweather (LG), they're playing with a bunch of young guys or first year starters. Fordham isn't great up front. Edmonds' big games have often included 2-3 huge plays that are the result of him being ridiculous at the sport of football or later in the game when the opponent has worn down.

As I'm sure you and everybody else can see...this year's Rams are a step down from the previous two years. Still good, just not THAT good.

[carney2]

A Colgate timeout saw lafayette reconsider and guess what: we got the first down. A coach probably chewed tavani's ear. Was it that difficult?

Thanks for the update. I turned the TV off when I saw the decision - just as I've turned off Lafayette football. With the possible exception of some of the kids who have invested a lot of time, blood, and ... in football, no one in Easton gives a crap about the program. Why should I - or any of you?!

What are the chances that Frank calls it quits? It won't solve the real problems at Lafayette, but nothing good is going to happen as long as he's there. With him collecting checks in 2016 it will be a case of the same people doing the same things, but expecting different results.

Anyway, drop to D-3, drop football, whatever. I've reached the point where I honestly don't give a crap. I have better things to do with my time, money and psychic energy.

[Pards Rule]

Was Young ejected from the game for targeting at the end of the 1st half? That was an enormous call if so. I felt like it was a hugely questionable call as well.

Colgate # 7 also ejected for targeting from Pard game. I didn't agree with the call but thought that call Tavani freaked out about was warranted. Even if it was called, they totally missed an obvious holding on Colgate on the play that would have negated the 15 yards.

[ngineer]

I was watching Gilmore closely with my field glasses during the discussion with the officials and he never seemed to object or argue, as he is normally wont to do. If you lead with the crown of your helmet, that's it, pure and simple. I watch Gilmore all the time when we play HC. He's so animated, I get a kick out him, as I remember his days at Lehigh as the DC. He almost threw his headset several times yesterday.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I was watching Gilmore closely with my field glasses during the discussion with the officials and he never seemed to object or argue, as he is normally wont to do. If you lead with the crown of your helmet, that's it, pure and simple. I watch Gilmore all the time when we play HC. He's so animated, I get a kick out him, as I remember his days at Lehigh as the DC. He almost threw his headset several times yesterday.

The broadcast focused on him and you're right, he seemed more pissed at the player than the call. It was an interaction that was short.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The broadcast focused on him and you're right, he seemed more pissed at the player than the call. It was an interaction that was short.

I watched it too. The player basically admitted to using his forearm on the play. Gilmore was surprisingly calm during the whole ordeal...

[Pards Rule]

We had the unusual situation yesterday of Lehigh folks rooting for the Pards to beat Colgate I'm sure!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

We had the unusual situation yesterday of Lehigh folks rooting for the Pards to beat Colgate I'm sure!

There was a point when Lafayette was beating Colgate and Bucknell was ahead of Fordham and I thought... RUN OUT THE CLOCK

[Gater]

The Colgate player thrown out of the game for targeting was bending over to make a tackle... and is 5'7". The Lafayette receiver caught the ball and lowered himself to make contact. Their helmets did hit. I'm don't think it's the wrong call but I'm not sure what you are supposed to do as a DB making a tackle--you can't control the offensive player lowering himself to your level.

As far as bad calls in the game, the ref standing over the Colgate RB and throwing a flag as the Lafayette player reached into the back of the Colgate player's helmet and pulled it off--and then the other refs talking him out of calling the personal foul-- comes to mind. The Lafayette announcers (who are easily the gold standard for the league) had a lot more problems with penalties not called on Colgate guys than Lafayette guys--which makes sense for a home town broadcast. They were more than fair about the targeting call. But penalties were certainly not the difference in this game.

Was really amazing the see Tavani go to punt with four minutes left in the game before Colgate called the time out. Seems like a sure way to finish a close second. Was also really surprised to see him look to an assistant whether to take the holding penalty at the end of the first that made Colgate's FG attempt 42 yards. There was only time for one play, so the only variable is how close you want Colgate to your end zone. I really like Tavani, and I could be wrong, but it seems like he needed help to pick, "Further."

Thought Lafayette played really well and was very, very close (maybe just a missed flea-flicker) to winning this game. Seems like they have a lot of talent on the team--and played really hard--which is says a lot about the coach when a team is having this kind of season. Some really good players-- a LB who is everywhere and #2 sure was open a lot. Stadium is beautiful. Football broadcast is top notch.

[Southsider]

We had the unusual situation yesterday of Lehigh folks rooting for the Pards to beat Colgate I'm sure!

Actually, I think most LU fans root for Pards to win 10 weeks out of the season! Back to the LU/Cross game, I was very disappointed with LU's 2nd half performance. I wanted them to step on HC's throat, put up 70 if possible! This D is not very good. Any time you let a good QB have some success you just never know what can happen. That missed PAT could have loomed very large if HC had recovered the on-sides kicks. In the post game radio interviews everyone seem so elated. I would be pissed that the gap was closed to 13! That said, onto to Gate. Ilike LU's chances!!

[hawkineer]

Actually, I think most LU fans root for Pards to win 10 weeks out of the season!
I don't think so!!! As we say "My two favorite teams are Lehigh and whoever is playing Lafayette."😉 The only exception is if a particular Leopard win GREATLY benefits LU. Ultimately, it's best when LU takes care of its own business and doesn't rely on help from Lafayette.
My guess is LC fans feel the same way.

[Pards Rule]

I don't think so!!! As we say "My two favorite teams are Lehigh and whoever is playing Lafayette." The only exception is if a particular Leopard win GREATLY benefits LU. Ultimately, it's best when LU takes care of its own business and doesn't rely on help from Lafayette.
My guess is LC fans feel the same way.

Hard to believe a year ago today my first game at Andy Kerr Stadium (with 3 inches of snow the night before in a pocket around Hamilton, NY) was the come from 16-0 behind mid 3rd quarter win, 19-16, with frosh Martin Thomas winning FG as time expired (making up for one he missed earlier in the game). I tried to upload photos I just found from that day but couldn't figure it out on Manage Attachments.

[PAllen]

Actually, I think most LU fans root for Pards to win 10 weeks out of the season! Back to the LU/Cross game, I was very disappointed with LU's 2nd half performance. I wanted them to step on HC's throat, put up 70 if possible! This D is not very good. Any time you let a good QB have some success you just never know what can happen. That missed PAT could have loomed very large if HC had recovered the on-sides kicks. In the post game radio interviews everyone seem so elated. I would be pissed that the gap was closed to 13! That said, onto to Gate. Ilike LU's chances!!

I agree we shouldn't be elated about anything at this point. I strongly disagree on the rooting for Lafayette bit. I'm part of the generation that would cheer as the Lafayette game score was announced during the game if they were trailing. A perfect regular season includes beating a winless Lafayette the Saturday before Thanksgiving.

[ngineer]

We had the unusual situation yesterday of Lehigh folks rooting for the Pards to beat Colgate I'm sure!

...as well as Bucknell.

[Southsider]

I agree we shouldn't be elated about anything at this point. I strongly disagree on the rooting for Lafayette bit. I'm part of the generation that would cheer as the Lafayette game score was announced during the game if they were trailing. A perfect regular season includes beating a winless Lafayette the Saturday before Thanksgiving.

I hear you. But what if the Pards downward spiral continues for a few years, and another Prez pushes to downgrade the program? That would just kill the best thing both LU & LC have going, THE RIVALRY. In this day and age, it could happen. That would be a terrible loss. As such, I do root for them to succeed. Just not on the 3rd Saturday in November.xdrunkyx

[PAllen]

I hear you. But what if the Pards downward spiral continues for a few years, and another Prez pushes to downgrade the program? That would just kill the best thing both LU & LC have going, THE RIVALRY. In this day and age, it could happen. That would be a terrible loss. As such, I do root for them to succeed. Just not on the 3rd Saturday in November.xdrunkyx

As I felt when they threatened it before. I have no problem finishing the regular season against a D-III Lafayette for a decade or so if that's the way they want to go before they come to their senses.

[RichH2]

I root for all PL teams OOC. The better we do there,the better it is for Lehigh. In conference,admit I enjoy seeing Pard lose more often than not. For me, my only concern is how Lehigh fares.