App State Students not happy with Sun Belt

[Pinnum]

Despite being 6-1 and first place in the conference...

http://appstatestudentpower.weebly.com/infographics.html

[ursus arctos horribilis]

It would be sort of funny to look back on the threads from 2 or 3 yrs. ago around here and see how much of this was brought up (all of it) as problems to sort of count on along with the doubting Thomases about the big jumps in attendance.

It is still early, but that works against this a bit in my mind cuz it is too early to already have this sort of push back. Not that it will do anything but all the move uppers need to eat some crow that this **** wouldn't matter at all cuz it does. I wonder if this will gain enough traction to cause some commotion there.

[Dukie95]

That website is a mess. Are they upset with the move to FBS or with SunBelt, specifically?

[tribe_pride]

It's a school of 18,000 people and this anti-FBS (anti-Sunbelt) group has 270 likes on their Facebook page. The pictures on the Facebook page show maybe 50 people at the rally against this issue - there are probably some people not show so maybe up to 100 and that would surprise me. No surprise that some are against the move up but this doesn't show to be a mass uprising against the move up.

[Pinnum]

They have over 1,200 signatures on a petition... https://www.change.org/p/chancellor-everts-allow-students-to-park-on-campus-for-thursday-football-game-days

Mainly the issue is student parking due to Thursday night games but they also draw attention to the increase in athletics spending due to the move to FBS.

[BisonFan02]

Who? :D

[BisonBacker]

I click on the link and it says the page isn't available :(

[AshevilleApp2]

It's a school of 18,000 people and this anti-FBS (anti-Sunbelt) group has 270 likes on their Facebook page. The pictures on the Facebook page show maybe 50 people at the rally against this issue - there are probably some people not show so maybe up to 100 and that would surprise me. No surprise that some are against the move up but this doesn't show to be a mass uprising against the move up.

This. I expect that you can go to nearly any college campus, and find 250 people to protest nearly anything.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This. I expect that you can go to nearly any college campus, and find 250 people to protest nearly anything.

I don't disagree with that at all, but, I thought the webpage said students were paying nearly $1K in fees...that seems like a big jump from what it was before and most every App guy I argued with said fees wouldn't go up. It seems like a possibility that it could be more noise than just a normal small group so it will be interesting to watch to see if it gains any traction. I wish no ill will, just curious to see what actually happens from past predictions on either side.

You know, so I can go bump an old Apphole, skjellyfetti, and some other guys posts and say "I told you so...". xlolx

[bonarae]

It's a school of 18,000 people and this anti-FBS (anti-Sunbelt) group has 270 likes on their Facebook page. The pictures on the Facebook page show maybe 50 people at the rally against this issue - there are probably some people not show so maybe up to 100 and that would surprise me. No surprise that some are against the move up but this doesn't show to be a mass uprising against the move up.

Aren't there many regular students who do not really care about the athletics programs of their school these days? That number doesn't seem surprising to me. About the 1,200 signatures - some of them include alumni or non-affiliated folks. xtwocentsx

Each ex-FCS who moved up to FBS over the past 25 years or so handle their first few years differently. We sure hope App State would rather be one of the exceptions than the usual norm.

[AshevilleApp2]

I don't disagree with that at all, but, I thought the webpage said students were paying nearly $1K in fees...that seems like a big jump from what it was before and most every App guy I argued with said fees wouldn't go up. It seems like a possibility that it could be more noise than just a normal small group so it will be interesting to watch to see if it gains any traction. I wish no ill will, just curious to see what actually happens from past predictions on either side.

You know, so I can go bump an old Apphole, skjellyfetti, and some other guys posts and say "I told you so...". xlolx

I'm not saying there aren't some legitimate concerns they present, I share some of them myself. Overemphasis on Athletics can be a problem for any school. Nothing new at App either. I argued with people back in the late 1990's about building the Holmes Center (basketball arena). We couldn't fill Varsity Gym, which sat 2,000 people at best. Now we have an 8,500 seat arena with about the same attendance as before.

[Sycamore62]

We're not gonna protest!!!!!

[FUBeAR]

Despite being 6-1 and first place in the conference...

http://appstatestudentpower.weebly.com/infographics.html

...but, but....Appy beat Michigan....almost a decade ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs

[proasu89]

I'm not saying there aren't some legitimate concerns they present, I share some of them myself. Overemphasis on Athletics can be a problem for any school. Nothing new at App either. I argued with people back in the late 1990's about building the Holmes Center (basketball arena). We couldn't fill Varsity Gym, which sat 2,000 people at best. Now we have an 8,500 seat arena with about the same attendance as before.

Wut? Varsity sat 7500-8000 depending on how tight we squeezed in.

[walliver]

It's an amateurish website written by Bernie Sanders/Occupy supporters, but it does raise valid concerns applicable at almost every college and university.

If faculty salaries are not rising, and staff salaries are not rising, why is tuition rising so rapidly? Increasingly, schools are being run, not as charitable institutions or government agencies, but as businesses.

If my daughter chooses to attend Wofford in 2 years, her tuition will be 10 times what my father paid for mine. There has been inflation since 1980, but not a ten-fold increase.

In ASU's case, the Belt is an easy target, but only a small percentage increase in cost.

[AshevilleApp2]

Wut? Varsity sat 7500-8000 depending on how tight we squeezed in.

Really? I thought it was much smaller than that.

I just checked and you are right. The website said that on a number of occasions, over 7,000 people crammed in. The only time I remember it being filled was for the last game there against Western. In any event my contention was that if you don't fill your current arena, why build a new one?

[citdog]

Tell those chicks who are protesting to shave their pits and call me.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I don't disagree with that at all, but, I thought the webpage said students were paying nearly $1K in fees...that seems like a big jump from what it was before and most every App guy I argued with said fees wouldn't go up. It seems like a possibility that it could be more noise than just a normal small group so it will be interesting to watch to see if it gains any traction. I wish no ill will, just curious to see what actually happens from past predictions on either side.

You know, so I can go bump an old Apphole, skjellyfetti, and some other guys posts and say "I told you so...". xlolx

It was common sense that fees would go up but App made the right call 100%!

They are on national TV regularly (without having to be in the playoffs) and they are recruiting better players. They are also going to actually net a big profit by going to a bowl game, whereas they spent a ton of money just to host playoff games in FCS. Most of the anti-FBS crowd at GSU and App and around FCS said they could not win and yet those two teams are dominating the SBC. Coastal Carolina will likely end up doing the same thing and those will be the big 3 of the SBC, until App and GSU bolts for a conference upgrade.

There are always nutjobs out there. Most of those students are probably the same ones who vote for every "free" government program out there and then will complain because their taxes go up. Nothing is free and nor should it be.

These are likely just kids who don't like football. I have not talked to one person who loves football who is upset with how things are turning out.

[smallcollegefbfan]

It's an amateurish website written by Bernie Sanders/Occupy supporters, but it does raise valid concerns applicable at almost every college and university.

If faculty salaries are not rising, and staff salaries are not rising, why is tuition rising so rapidly? Increasingly, schools are being run, not as charitable institutions or government agencies, but as businesses.

If my daughter chooses to attend Wofford in 2 years, her tuition will be 10 times what my father paid for mine. There has been inflation since 1980, but not a ten-fold increase.

In ASU's case, the Belt is an easy target, but only a small percentage increase in cost.

And those type people have no merit. If you are that Bernie Sanders type person you apparently have NO CLUE how the real world or money works since those countries who have a dictator or socialism are broke and the people are completely unhappy. I think if you sent every socialist to another country to see how it works they would be against it. The only reason Bernie Sanders wants it is because he knows he can use it to make himself richer while the rest of us live in misery.

[citdog]

Who really cares? The sun belch board must be slow this weekend.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Who really cares? The sun belch board must be slow this weekend.

How the hell does this make any sense>? This is AGS' people talking about it.

[Pinnum]

It was common sense that fees would go up but App made the right call 100%!

They are on national TV regularly (without having to be in the playoffs) and they are recruiting better players. They are also going to actually net a big profit by going to a bowl game, whereas they spent a ton of money just to host playoff games in FCS. Most of the anti-FBS crowd at GSU and App and around FCS said they could not win and yet those two teams are dominating the SBC. Coastal Carolina will likely end up doing the same thing and those will be the big 3 of the SBC, until App and GSU bolts for a conference upgrade.

There are always nutjobs out there. Most of those students are probably the same ones who vote for every "free" government program out there and then will complain because their taxes go up. Nothing is free and nor should it be.

These are likely just kids who don't like football. I have not talked to one person who loves football who is upset with how things are turning out.


What makes you say this? Most schools, especially those from the G5, lose money on their bowl games.

[clenz]

It was common sense that fees would go up but App made the right call 100%!

They are on national TV regularly (without having to be in the playoffs) and they are recruiting better players. They are also going to actually net a big profit by going to a bowl game, whereas they spent a ton of money just to host playoff games in FCS. Most of the anti-FBS crowd at GSU and App and around FCS said they could not win and yet those two teams are dominating the SBC. Coastal Carolina will likely end up doing the same thing and those will be the big 3 of the SBC, until App and GSU bolts for a conference upgrade.

There are always nutjobs out there. Most of those students are probably the same ones who vote for every "free" government program out there and then will complain because their taxes go up. Nothing is free and nor should it be.

These are likely just kids who don't like football. I have not talked to one person who loves football who is upset with how things are turning out.

Bowl game execs earn between $200 K to $1 million for running a single game annually. And if you get local special interest groups to support your endeavor if they believe tourism will be boosted, yet another justification for bringing a game to town.Of course, you have to raise sponsor dollars, and you have to get participating schools to commit to buying a certain number of tickets. Without these, the game may not survive…unless subsidized by a media outlet or local special interest group for tourism purposes.
As to the second question, how much a school benefits depends upon which type of benefits you are talking about. Financially, most bowl game payouts range between $400 K and $1 million, with a few non-BCS yet marquee games (Cotton, Chick-Fil-A) paying $3-4 million to participating conferences, and then of course $18 million for the BCS games and $22 million per participating conference for the championship game.
But it is well documented (here is but one source (http://www.standard.net/stories/2011/12/12/many-schools-only-break-even-bowl-money)) that each year at least 10 and perhaps as many as 20 schools lose money after subtracting travel expenses and mandatory ticket purchases. Plus they only receive a share of the total bowl payout since the payout goes to the conference.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2014/01/01/do-the-economics-of-bowl-games-make-sense-for-schools-sponsors/





http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-09-28/bcs-bowl-games-cost-some-schools/50582512/1Along with a 40-12 drubbing from Stanford, Virginia Tech's athletic department reported a $421,046 loss. The cost to play in the Orange Bowl, largely based on terms set by the Bowl Championship Series (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Events+and+Awards/Sports/Bowl+Championship+Series), outstripped the amount of bowl money the team received.
Virginia Tech, which receives millions of dollars in public funding like many other college sports programs, would have lost even more money had the Atlantic Coast Conference (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Organizations/Sports+Leagues/NCAA/Atlantic+Coast+Conference) not spent nearly $1.2 million to help. The team, required to buy a block of tickets as a condition of being in the bowl, was unable to resell all of them before game time; the school's conference bought out 9,500 remaining seats.

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The Republic obtained records from the NCAA (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/NCAA) that disclosed aggregate spending figures for the past three years of all public and private schools that played in BCS (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Events+and+Awards/Sports/Bowl+Championship+Series) bowls. The records did not reveal individual universities' expenses, but averaged those expenses and the allowances that the universities received from their conferences.
Those averages, calculated by the NCAA, showed that in all three years, average expenses exceeded average allowances, meaning schools often lost money.
The Republic separately obtained records from individual public universities that played in BCS bowls for the past six years to determine, on an individual basis, how many schools lost money. Records dating beyond six years were incomplete.The Republic's analysis showed that 41 percent of public universities playing in BCS games reported losses. The figure would have jumped to 50 percent had conferences not absorbed some of their universities' bowl expenses.

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All universities that play in postseason bowls are required to file a Summary of Postseason Football Institutional Bowl Expenses with the NCAA. Those records detail their expenses and conference allowances. The NCAA would not disclose records pertaining to individual universities, but provided aggregate statistics on bowl participants for the past three years.
During those three years, universities - public and private - on average lost $331,137 playing in BCS bowl games. For non-BCS bowls during those same three years, the average loss was $119,631.
For the 2010-11 postseason, the average team loss in a BCS bowl was $346,959, reflecting an average expense allowance of about $2.38 million and an average expense of $2.73 million. The average loss in a non-BCS bowl that postseason was $139,604.

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- The University of Connecticut. When the Big East Conference (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Big+East+Conference)champion played in the 2011 Fiesta Bowl, it received a $2.5 million conference expense allowance. But the team couldn't resell 14,729 of the 17,500 tickets the Fiesta Bowl required it to purchase.
The Huskies' bowl expenses quickly piled up: $2.9 million from unsold tickets, $1.1 million for travel and housing, and $210,000 in assorted other costs. The final tally was a net loss of approximately $1.7 million.
- The University of Oklahoma (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Organizations/Schools/University+of+Oklahoma). Connecticut's opponent reported a small profit, but only because it did not have to cover the $1.9 million that its home conference, the Big 12, spent to absorb 10,403 tickets that Oklahoma could not sell from its allotment of 17,500.
In total, 25,132 tickets were absorbed by the conferences for the 2011 Fiesta Bowl game that had an announced attendance of 67,232 at University of Phoenix Stadium (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Places,+Geography/Sports+and+Entertainment+Venues/University+of+Phoenix+Stadium) in Glendale. The Fiesta Bowl said the tickets were returned to the bowl and distributed to Valley charities.
- Auburn University (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Auburn+University). The eventual national champion, which played in the 2011 BCS title game at University of Phoenix Stadium, lost $614,106. The loss was attributable to its decision to absorb the cost of 2,456 tickets that it gave away to those associated with the university. That cost the university $781,825.

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There's example after example after example of how teams making bowls generally lose well over 100k

You could argue larger pay outs for money games...which is also countered with the extra expenses of 22 extra football scholarships, plus any extra for meeting title IX. Cost for extra coaching staff in the FBS vs FCS. Average coach pay in the FCS vs FBS. Travel expense for an FBS conference vs most FCS conferences for all sports - not just football.

There's a reason G5 programs (well really, all but about 30 programs) hemorrhage money and spend tens of thousands of dollars on accountants to find ways to hide it through the accounting game.

[dbackjon]

And those type people have no merit. If you are that Bernie Sanders type person you apparently have NO CLUE how the real world or money works since those countries who have a dictator or socialism are broke and the people are completely unhappy. I think if you sent every socialist to another country to see how it works they would be against it. The only reason Bernie Sanders wants it is because he knows he can use it to make himself richer while the rest of us live in misery.


Stick to football, since you have no clue on how the real world works.

[Catsfan90]

Stick to football, since you have no clue on how the real world works.
Idk, what he said seems pretty accurate to me. So do I not know how the real world works as well?

[dbackjon]

Idk, what he said seems pretty accurate to me. So do I not know how the real world works as well?



There are very prosperous Democratic Socialist countries in Europe - and they are very happy with it.


The only people getting rich in the US these days are those that are already rich - the rest of us are stagnant for the most part, as the enormous transfer of wealth continues unabated.

[clenz]

Nope....

Putting a stop to this right now.


Change of thread direction.


Not going down this road.



NoDak has been gone for months and it's bee glorious not dealing with this bull****

[AshevilleApp2]

xlolx

[CID1990]

It comes down to a simple decision-

Do you want to have university sponsored professional football or do you want to have student athlete football?

One costs more than the other.


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[AshevilleApp2]

It comes down to a simple decision-

Do you want to have university sponsored professional football or do you want to have student athlete football?

One costs more than the other.


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Might as well go to D-III with that mindset. And I have nothing wrong with D-III by the way. Get off your high horse though. Everyone in D-I, at any level, is sponsoring some kind of paid football. Y'all enjoy. We will see how much traction the protests get. Adios.

[CID1990]

Might as well go to D-III with that mindset. And I have nothing wrong with D-III by the way. Get off your high horse though. Everyone in D-I, at any level, is sponsoring some kind of paid football. Y'all enjoy. We will see how much traction the protests get. Adios.

All we heard about the move up on this board from a bunch of ASU fans ad nauseum was money money exposure money. The only way ASU or any other FBS team can ever aspire to anything other than at best an also-ran bowl game is to give in and play the money game, and emphasize athletics over academics when it comes to football players.

Of COURSE there's money in FCS- but it is a heck of a lot purer form of college football than FBS in my opinion, and that has always been my opinion. I hardly even watch FBS ball, don't even kniw who is ranked where and don't care. And even if El Cid went to 30,000 students a la Texas A&M I would be a vocal opponent of ever considering moving up. Because it is a money pit and nothing more- and many a mid-major school has sold its soul at that altar.


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[AshevilleApp2]

All we heard about the move up on this board from a bunch of ASU fans ad nauseum was money money exposure money. The only way ASU or any other FBS team can ever aspire to anything other than at best an also-ran bowl game is to give in and play the money game, and emphasize athletics over academics when it comes to football players.

Of COURSE there's money in FCS- but it is a heck of a lot purer form of college football than FBS in my opinion, and that has always been my opinion. I hardly even watch FBS ball, don't even kniw who is ranked where and don't care. And even if El Cid went to 30,000 students a la Texas A&M I would be a vocal opponent of ever considering moving up. Because it is a money pit and nothing more- and many a mid-major school has sold its soul at that altar.


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Bravo! xthumbsupx So what is the difference between high level FCS and low level FBS (AKA the Slum Belch) as far as costs? I truly don't know. And how much is absorbed by the Boosters of the program?

[CID1990]

Bravo! xthumbsupx So what is the difference between high level FCS and low level FBS (AKA the Slum Belch) as far as costs? I truly don't know. And how much is absorbed by the Boosters of the program?

It doesnt matter. FBS is what App St wanted and that's what they got. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with the monetary costs of being in FBS though - its about the other costs - Ive been on the UNC campus a million times and have seen the football players. you cant miss them- theyre the dudes who you'd call the police on if you saw them walking through your neighborhood and they'll never darken the door of a classroom unless it has the words "remedial" or "appreciation" in it


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[AshevilleApp2]

It doesnt matter. FBS is what App St wanted and that's what they got. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with the monetary costs of being in FBS though - its about the other costs - Ive been on the UNC campus a million times and have seen the football players. you cant miss them- theyre the dudes who you'd call the police on if you saw them walking through your neighborhood and they'll never darken the door of a classroom unless it has the words "remedial" or "appreciation" in it


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I get your point, and it is a concern of mine as well. Not the thug thing you allude to, but a lowering of academic standards. And I expect that there are a number of FCS schools who lower academic standards for athletes as well. Can't say for sure though. We'll see how it plays out.

[CID1990]

I get your point, and it is a concern of mine as well. Not the thug thing you allude to, but a lowering of academic standards. And I expect that there are a number of FCS schools who lower academic standards for athletes as well. Can't say for sure though. We'll see how it plays out.

My belief is that ASU will want to excel in FBS, right? If the Sun Belt was the highest peak for ASU then you guys were doing it wrong.

Maybe CUSA or something bigger? To keep moving up in FBS you have to play the game- and I dont think ASU will be content with a once annual shot at a crap bowl game. They now have no choice but to play the game and move up- at least until FBS once again splits into two more divisions- they cant move back down thats for sure

Certainly FCS does it too, but I dont have to explain the beauty of a playoff where every conference gets at least one bid- the brass ring is open to everyone... the academic schools like Wofford and the low apr schools that i wont call by name... and the bigger schools that are borderline big enough to move up but dont- they all have a shot at the pinnacle of the division

To get that same shot in FBS you have to purchase it and the cost is high in all respects

I was an ASU fan as a kid before I ever even knew what The Citadel was and personally I hate that they moved up. I think it was a terrible move


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[AshevilleApp2]

My belief is that ASU will want to excel in FBS, right? If the Sun Belt was the highest peak for ASU then you guys were doing it wrong.

Maybe CUSA or something bigger? To keep moving up in FBS you have to play the game- and I dont think ASU will be content with a once annual shot at a crap bowl game. They now have no choice but to play the game and move up- at least until FBS once again splits into two more divisions- they cant move back down thats for sure

Certainly FCS does it too, but I dont have to explain the beauty of a playoff where every conference gets at least one bid- the brass ring is open to everyone... the academic schools like Wofford and the low apr schools that i wont call by name... and the bigger schools that are borderline big enough to move up but dont- they all have a shot at the pinnacle of the division

To get that same shot in FBS you have to purchase it and the cost is high in all respects

I was an ASU fan as a kid before I ever even knew what The Citadel was and personally I hate that they moved up. I think it was a terrible move


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I love the beauty of the playoff at the FCS level myself. The brass ring of a Championship isn't available to as many of the teams at the FCS level as you infer though. Same as FBS. Four teams have won almost 50% (17 out of 36) of the Championships to date. Add in Montana and EKU, and you have a majority of 21 out of 36 Championships being won by six teams. The illusion of it is though, I'll grant you that.

And as far as the split at the FBS level. If that happens (and I think it will), I expect the borderline teams will look to move to the lower FBS level, rather than App and others looking back. Some of them already are. FCS will still be a great product, and fun to watch. And that change would allow for the academic purity you refer to for those who stay at FCS, and the D-II teams who move up.

Your concern for App is appreciated, and I argued against the move myself. But, the decision was made. And I'll live with that, enjoy the ride, and hope for the best.

Good luck on reaching the playoffs this year. Y'all are having a great season to date! xthumbsupx

[PaladinFan]

App State and Georgia Southern played in Boone last week with a reported attendance 24,121.

App State and Georgia Southern played in Boone in 2013 (their last year in the SoCon) in front of 23,901.

I said for years on here that App State has a saturation point. A school in a basketball state in a remote area will only get so much exposure. At some point, their fan base will be as big as it is going to be, and the money is going to be what it is. I think they've reached that point. Top of the Sun Belt, and their biggest home game of the year turns out the same number of fans as if the game were in the SoCon (in a season both teams were mediocre).

[Hammerhead]

Bravo! xthumbsupx So what is the difference between high level FCS and low level FBS (AKA the Slum Belch) as far as costs? I truly don't know. And how much is absorbed by the Boosters of the program?

They might spend more on recruiting and maybe on facilities although some FBS programs have very nice facilities. I'm guessing they rely on TV revenue (and weeknight games) to make up the difference.

[AshevilleApp2]

App State and Georgia Southern played in Boone last week with a reported attendance 24,121.

App State and Georgia Southern played in Boone in 2013 (their last year in the SoCon) in front of 23,901.

I said for years on here that App State has a saturation point. A school in a basketball state in a remote area will only get so much exposure. At some point, their fan base will be as big as it is going to be, and the money is going to be what it is. I think they've reached that point. Top of the Sun Belt, and their biggest home game of the year turns out the same number of fans as if the game were in the SoCon (in a season both teams were mediocre).

In 2013 they didn't play on a Thursday night. I expect it would have been closer to 30K had it been on a Saturday. You really like to think things half way through when it suits you. Carry on.

[PaladinFan]

In 2013 they didn't play on a Thursday night. I expect it would have been closer to 30K had it been on a Saturday. You really like to think things half way through when it suits you. Carry on.

I thought Thursday night was their "exposure" night? Isn't that the whole idea? You cannot have Thursday night "exposure" and Saturday attendance.

Besides, I reported what the numbers were. App State has not seen 30,000 people in KBS in three or four years. I guess conceivably they could have shown up for that game, but that is far more speculative than anything I said.

[AshevilleApp2]

I thought Thursday night was their "exposure" night? Isn't that the whole idea? You cannot have Thursday night "exposure" and Saturday attendance.

Besides, I reported what the numbers were. App State has not seen 30,000 people in KBS in three or four years. I guess conceivably they could have shown up for that game, but that is far more speculative than anything I said.

I was happy with the crowd and the results of the game. Don't know how much national exposure it got, being on ESPNU. But of course you quit caring after Week 6 of last season, right? Conveniently, just before App starting winning again. xlolx

[PaladinFan]

I was happy with the crowd and the results of the game. Don't know how much national exposure it got, being on ESPNU. But of course you quit caring after Week 6 of last season, right? Conveniently, just before App starting winning again. xlolx

You are missing the point. The whole argument for "App goes to the Sun Belt" was that it was going to rocket App State to some sort of national relevance. That clearly has not happened. Now it appears many associated with the university are starting to cry foul over the fiscal cost of making such a move that returns few discernible benefits to the university.

Of course, this is the very thing many on this forum said was going to happen. Again, it does not matter to App State fans and administration, because this is the move they wanted (or thought they wanted) for years.

[AshevilleApp2]

You are missing the point. The whole argument for "App goes to the Sun Belt" was that it was going to rocket App State to some sort of national relevance. That clearly has not happened. Now it appears many associated with the university are starting to cry foul over the fiscal cost of making such a move that returns few discernible benefits to the university.

Of course, this is the very thing many on this forum said was going to happen. Again, it does not matter to App State fans and administration, because this is the move they wanted (or thought they wanted) for years.

Oh, I get the point all right. We still fascinate you! Please continue!

[ElonFirefighter]

Realizing the need for an Airport to be anything in FBS. App State is exploring two options


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[AshevilleApp2]

Realizing the need for an Airport to be anything in FBS. App State is exploring two options


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xlolx Nice! xthumbsupx

[AshevilleApp2]

You are missing the point. The whole argument for "App goes to the Sun Belt" was that it was going to rocket App State to some sort of national relevance. That clearly has not happened. Now it appears many associated with the university are starting to cry foul over the fiscal cost of making such a move that returns few discernible benefits to the university.

Of course, this is the very thing many on this forum said was going to happen. Again, it does not matter to App State fans and administration, because this is the move they wanted (or thought they wanted) for years.

No **** that App hasn't rocketed into national relevance. Very few teams in the G5 are "nationally relevant". Remember though, the experiment is still new. And you could argue that many P5 teams aren't "nationally relevant". I was against the move, but am glad that we can compete at the level we play.

And what do you consider to be "many associated with the University"? Fifty to one hundred students and faculty who protested? 1000 who purportedly signed a petition? I'd be more curious to know what the majority of people think at an 18,000 student University.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

App still has wrestling right? If they decide to jetison wrestling then you know it's getting into the budget pretty good. Until then they are fine. Doesn't have to be overly dramatic on either side really. I always have said "good for you" if any of the fans thought they should go. I just argued to the hilt about the 40K + they were gonna be holding each week and possibly close to 5ok that was gonna pay for it all and not increase student load as far as the budget.

None of those guys that made those claims are here any longer really and AA2 is still here but he was never the one making the lofty claims.

[AshevilleApp2]

App still has wrestling right? If they decide to jetison wrestling then you know it's getting into the budget pretty good. Until then they are fine. Doesn't have to be overly dramatic on either side really. I always have said "good for you" if any of the fans thought they should go. I just argued to the hilt about the 40K + they were gonna be holding each week and possibly close to 5ok that was gonna pay for it all and not increase student load as far as the budget.

None of those guys that made those claims are here any longer really and AA2 is still here but he was never the one making the lofty claims.

Obviously that hasn't come to pass, and where would they sit?

There are still many delusional App fans, just not here. I've never joined the MMB (too Appcentric), but check it out sometimes for the information. After the ODU game, a couple of folks were speculating whether ASU is the next Boise State! Cooler heads prevailed thankfully, and said maybe we should focus on being the next East Carolina. That's still a stretch in my mind, due to some things that are North Carolina specific.

That said, the school is growing and is expected to continue to grow in the years ahead. (I have mixed feelings about this as well.) Admissions are able to be choosier on who enrolls. I would never have gotten in, based on today's criteria. And hey, I'm looking forward to being in a Bowl Game. No matter how inconsequential it is. New experiences are always nice!

[citdog]

And what do you consider to be "many associated with the University"? Fifty to one hundred students and faculty who protested? 1000 who purportedly signed a petition? I'd be more curious to know what the majority of people think at an 18,000 student University.

But when the same amount protest against a flag or a monument in a population of over a million you rush to call it a consensus...

[AshevilleApp2]

But when the same amount protest against a flag or a monument in a population of over a million you rush to call it a consensus...

xlolx I think the Legislature of Little Carolina made the choice on the flag, not me, or any protests. I see no need to remove monuments. Swing and a miss, my Boll Weevil friend! xthumbsupx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

But when the same amount protest against a flag or a monument in a population of over a million you rush to call it a consensus...

When did he say anything like this? You have a really, really hard time dealing with what is actually said and your understanding of it. What you said there, was never said anywhere here.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Obviously that hasn't come to pass, and where would they sit?

The hill, they can sell all day long on the hill and on top of that corporate sponsors would fill in to make student fees not move. There was all sorts of bluster that did not make sense. But the stadium expansion was already in the planning...which it may be, hell if I know.

I just want to make sure that you know I don't expect you to take offense or feel the need to defend things like this which you did not say. Since you are one of a few it may seemed aimed at you but it is not. It is just having a chuckle over some of the former claims.

[AshevilleApp2]

The hill, they can sell all day long on the hill and on top of that corporate sponsors would fill in to make student fees not move. There was all sorts of bluster that did not make sense. But the stadium expansion was already in the planning...which it may be, hell if I know.

I just want to make sure that you know I don't expect you to take offense or feel the need to defend things like this which you did not say. Since you are one of a few it may seemed aimed at you but it is not. It is just having a chuckle over some of the former claims.

I'm fine with that, and never took it the wrong way. Many App fans had way too lofty expectations heading into this. Many still do.

[dbackjon]

I was happy with the crowd and the results of the game. Don't know how much national exposure it got, being on ESPNU. But of course you quit caring after Week 6 of last season, right? Conveniently, just before App starting winning again. xlolx

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http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

[smallcollegefbfan]

What makes you say this? Most schools, especially those from the G5, lose money on their bowl games.

The top payout game for the Sun Belt is 1M or a little over. App should make double what they did when they were in the FCS playoffs. If they or anyone in the SBC can get in a January 1 game then they will make even better.

Bottom line is you don't see schools dropping down and they would either drop football or drop down if they had to. The only reason any schools are struggling in FBS is because they are spending a lot of money on facilities and recruiting. You spend a lot more in FBS but you also get better players and more national exposure.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I'm fine with that, and never took it the wrong way. Many App fans had way too lofty expectations heading into this. Many still do.

What do App fans expect? I will say that it is easy to recruit and win there. I said preseason App should win no less than 9 or 10 games because the schedule was easy. Now that they have beat GSU I say they should go 11-1. The SBC is very bad and always will be. Because of that, I expect App, GSU, and CCU to be the Big 3 in that league. It's funny how 2 of those plus Marshall were the big 3 in the SoCon. I think these 3 former FCS powers will be the top 3 programs and be bowl eligible regularly.

I will say that seeing App receive votes this week was a bit much because they haven't had a chance to prove against a legit team that they are worth being ranked right now. I think App is probably in the 50-60 range in FBS right now and can be a solid to top tier G5 program but will never be P5 and is limited in several ways. It seems though that many of the App people who wanted to move up (the realistic ones) felt all along they could win in the SBC and would be fine in being a top tier G5 school with no expectations of grandeur to be in the college playoff or get a P5 invite.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Watched by 190K

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

More than that. A few of us have watched the coach's tape of the game, which is not included in the TV ratings LOL.

I was amazed at how much better App is than GSU right now. By the looks of it there is a big gap between App and GSU and then another big gap between GSU and the rest of the SBC.

[AshevilleApp2]

What do App fans expect?

The World, what else? xlolx

In all honesty, there are a range of expectations that I've seen. From being the next Boise State to just being competitive at the G5 level. I tend towards the latter.

[AshevilleApp2]

Watched by 190K

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

Thanks. The U definitely ain't the 2!

[Apphole]

Update:

The Apps are 7 spots from cracking the AP top 25, receiving votes for the second week in a row. We just scheduled a home and home with the U (Miami FL), with the Hurricanes playing at Appalachian next season in 2016.

With the exception of about 200 granola-crunching hippies, App State's 20,000 students and >100,000 living alumni are happy with our decision!

[Catsfan90]

Update:

The Apps are 7 spots from cracking the AP top 25, receiving votes for the second week in a row. We just scheduled a home and home with the U (Miami FL), with the Hurricanes playing at Appalachian next season in 2016.

With the exception of about 200 granola-crunching hippies, App State's 20,000 students and >100,000 living alumni are happy with our decision!
Granola crunching hippies just hate everything that doesn't involve their self righteous agenda :p

[CID1990]

Update:

The Apps are 7 spots from cracking the AP top 25, receiving votes for the second week in a row. We just scheduled a home and home with the U (Miami FL), with the Hurricanes playing at Appalachian next season in 2016.

With the exception of about 200 granola-crunching hippies, App State's 20,000 students and >100,000 living alumni are happy with our decision!

wow

a FBS school got a home and home with another FBS school




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[AshevilleApp2]

wow

a FBS school got a home and home with another FBS school




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And maybe we can be ECU, right? :)

[clenz]

wow

a FBS school got a home and home with another FBS school




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Here's why Miami doesn't mind road games at this point...

http://blog.allcanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/miami-hurricanes-sparse-crowd.jpg

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[CID1990]

And maybe we can be ECU, right? :)

You'll be ECU when you start trying to move to a better conference and get nad at all the 'leetist schools who dont want a new team beating them


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[AshevilleApp2]

You'll be ECU when you start trying to move to a better conference and get nad at all the 'leetist schools who dont want a new team beating them


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Just enjoying the similarity of posts between sites. I realize where we are.xthumbsupx

[AshevilleApp2]

Here's why Miami doesn't mind road games at this point...

http://blog.allcanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/miami-hurricanes-sparse-crowd.jpg

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/941/648/hi-res-153051923_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/fan_shot_images/399852/Miami.0.0.jpg

http://canespace.typepad.com/.a/6a00e008c67258883401b8d15b2a4c970c-500wi


Would UNI, could UNI, host them? Like it or not, they are a P5 team coming to Boone (maybe).

[Apphole]

They have a bad home crowd for sure, but they're a national brand and a five-time BCS National Champion.

You're really reaching to poo poo on us for this one. Bless your hearts for trying though.

[dgtw]

I think a Sun Belt team that has been FBS for a little over a year getting Miami to come to their place is pretty impressive.


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

I think a Sun Belt team that has been FBS for a little over a year getting Miami to come to their place is pretty impressive.


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I think it's impressive as well. I am also taken aback at how they have fallen man. I had zero, I mean zero idea that Miami was that piss poor for crowds nowadays. That's just stunning man. It does give a team in the SBC a lot more leverage than they would normally have have but all the same it would be a great get and also a big event for the home fans. Congrats on it if it is happening Apps.

[AshevilleApp2]

I think it's impressive as well. I am also taken aback at how they have fallen man. I had zero, I mean zero idea that Miami was that piss poor for crowds nowadays. That's just stunning man. It does give a team in the SBC a lot more leverage than they would normally have have but all the same it would be a great get and also a big event for the home fans. Congrats on it if it is happening Apps.

Thanks. I'll emphasize the if though. Right now, it seems to be more of a rumor. It would be nice though.

[clenz]

They have a bad home crowd for sure, but they're a national brand and a five-time BCS National Champion.

You're really reaching to poo poo on us for this one. Bless your hearts for trying though.
I'm not poo pooing anything.

I'm a shell of my old self as a poster. I'm relegated to piss poor attempts at satirical humor more than actual insight to football...

This whole two kids thing is kicking my ass

[clenz]

I think it's impressive as well. I am also taken aback at how they have fallen man. I had zero, I mean zero idea that Miami was that piss poor for crowds nowadays. That's just stunning man. It does give a team in the SBC a lot more leverage than they would normally have have but all the same it would be a great get and also a big event for the home fans. Congrats on it if it is happening Apps.
Yeah, what's happened to Miami since the 90s and early 00s is just unbelievable.

I don't trust official attendance numbers, but there are times in the second half of their games I'd be shocked if they had 10,000 people in the stadium. It's not quite Georgia State bad, but it's getting there.

[CID1990]

Just enjoying the similarity of posts between sites. I realize where we are.xthumbsupx

lol

i was thinking the same thing- all the ASU fans crowing over miami

it IS a good get though


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[Apphole]

I stop by to inject a little positive in the continuous flood of negative, anti-App, anti-FBS, anti-Sun Belt tone that characterizes AGS. I never meant to "crow."

[AshevilleApp2]

I stop by to inject a little positive in the continuous flood of negative, anti-App, anti-FBS, anti-Sun Belt tone that characterizes AGS. I never meant to "crow."

Well it is an FCS site after all, and many App and GSU folks showed their asses on the way out.

But I didn't see it as crowing either. And it was on a thread someone else started about ASU. So why not post it here?

Just please don't start some "App Triumphal" threads if we keep winning.

[ysubigred]

There are very prosperous Democratic Socialist countries in Europe - and they are very happy with it.


The only people getting rich in the US these days are those that are already rich - the rest of us are stagnant for the most part, as the enormous transfer of wealth continues unabated.


Thanks OBUMMER!!!!!

[Mr. C]

The protest group you reference in this thread is a very small group and really isn't representative of overall campus sentiment.

[CID1990]

Well it is an FCS site after all, and many App and GSU folks showed their asses on the way out.

But I didn't see it as crowing either. And it was on a thread someone else started about ASU. So why not post it here?

Just please don't start some "App Triumphal" threads if we keep winning.

Jellyfelchy on CS.com posted (rather triumphantly) about it on that forum about the same time this thread popped up

maybe I should say "ASU fans talking excitedly" rather than "crowing"

does that work?


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[citdog]

Some of that crow is being consumed by the tribe of yosef right about now. They'll be plenty of domestic violence and goat nuzzling tonight!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Some of that crow is being consumed by the tribe of yosef right about now. They'll be plenty of domestic violence and goat nuzzling tonight!

A brief aside. Check your emails. Respond ASAP.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Jellyfelchy on CS.com posted (rather triumphantly) about it on that forum about the same time this thread popped up

maybe I should say "ASU fans talking excitedly" rather than "crowing"

does that work?


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Gotta love codependence....App talked big about growing up, moving out and getting their own apartment. Who knew it was going to be over the FCS garage out back, and that they'd still show up at dinner time for the sustenance of former FCS relevancy...

[AshevilleApp2]

xlolx Beat Down! What can I say, except congrats to the other ASU. xthumbsupx

[AshevilleApp2]

Jellyfelchy on CS.com posted (rather triumphantly) about it on that forum about the same time this thread popped up

maybe I should say "ASU fans talking excitedly" rather than "crowing"

does that work?


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I didn't have an issue with the crowing post.