Interesting BCS to playoff article

[slycat]

from SI.com

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/stewart_mandel/12/06/mailbag/index.html?cnn=yes

[BlueHen86]

Thanks, good article.
Pretty much what I suspected all along.

[bluehenbillk]

Let's just call that abbreviated & let's be honest he didn't provide the real answers as to why. Believe me there are a number of them, but what it's really going to take is someone sitting down in front of a group of college Presidents & explaining to them how they're going to make out financially better with a playoff than the current system.

Let's not beat around the bush, a college President's job is to make $$ for their institution plain & simple, they fundraise & secure endowments. If they can see where they'll make more $$ they'll do it.

[walliver]

Let's just call that abbreviated & let's be honest he didn't provide the real answers as to why. Believe me there are a number of them, but what it's really going to take is someone sitting down in front of a group of college Presidents & explaining to them how they're going to make out financially better with a playoff than the current system.

Let's not beat around the bush, a college President's job is to make $$ for their institution plain & simple, they fundraise & secure endowments. If they can see where they'll make more $$ they'll do it.

Unfortunately, I don't see playoffs as a big increase in money unless they expand the playoffs to March Madness proportions. Right now, essentially any BCS team with a winning record is guaranteed a bowl bid. That's a lot of money to give up. Maybe the lesser bowls can stay afloat in a playoff environment by taking non-playoff teams and possibly first round losers - I don't know the answer to that one.

[bluehenbillk]

No one ever said the minor bowl games would go away, I see the non-BCS bowl games being unaltered. Throw corporate sponsorship behind this and I see it as a billion dollar venture, raking in much more than March madness could ever dream.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ralph
Neither is the BCS, an abomination of college football!

I couldn't agree more, if the BCS is so bad why re-create it with something as stupid as the GPI! xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx

[*****]

... Quote:
Originally Posted by ralph
Neither is the BCS, an abomination of college football!
I couldn't agree more, if the BCS is so bad why re-create it with something as stupid as the GPI! xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotxThe BCS is a system that determines who plays for their title game with a poll/computer ranking mix. The GPI is a poll/computer ranking mix which attempts to determine which at-large teams are most qualified to be selected for the D-I Football Championship playoffs. BIG DIFFERENCE. When will you ever admit that? :eyebrow:

[bluehenbillk]

It has been written in print that the GPI was borne from the BCS. My whole & sole point has been that if we can all agree that the BCS is a bad idea then why create something based on it.

That's like trying to intentionally clone children with birth defects.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ralph
Neither is the BCS, an abomination of college football!

I couldn't agree more, if the BCS is so bad why re-create it with something as stupid as the GPI!

[*****]

... My whole & sole point has been that if we can all agree that the BCS is a bad idea then why create something based on it...Nothing has been created like the BCS.

[bluehenbillk]

Nothing has been created like the BCS.

Sure it has, there were posts on this board mid-season from the "creator" of the GPI & it's front man that stated that the GPI was taken from the BCS or at the least called it BCS-styled.

"The GPI is a poll/computer ranking mix which attempts to determine which at-large teams are most qualified to be selected for the D-I Football Championship playoffs." Well, isn't that essentially what the BCS does? The GPI attempts, after autobids, to tell us what the next 8 teams should be right? The BCS attempts to tell us what the 2 most deserving 1-A teams should be to play for the NC. Sure the BCS has power behind it where the GPI has nothing behind it, but if the average reader can't see how these 2 systems are analagous then they're just not trying very hard.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ralph
Neither is the BCS, an abomination of college football!

I couldn't agree more, if the BCS is so bad why re-create it with something as stupid as the GPI!xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx

[*****]

... "The GPI is a poll/computer ranking mix which attempts to determine which at-large teams are most qualified to be selected for the D-I Football Championship playoffs." Well, isn't that essentially what the BCS does?...No. THE BCS DETERMINES THE PARTICIPANTS OF ITS TITLE GAME WITH ITS RANKING. THE GPI RANKING DOES NOT.

Geez. :rolleyes:

[Mr. C]

Can we get back on topic here?

[bluehenbillk]

Yes that's true, but the GPI was modeled after it, why model something after the BCS, I can't find many people who will tell you it's a good idea.

I stand by my "signature".

Quote:
Originally Posted by ralph
Neither is the BCS, an abomination of college football!

I couldn't agree more, if the BCS is so bad why re-create it with something as stupid as the GPI!

[bluehenbillk]

Can we get back on topic here?

I agree.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ralph
Neither is the BCS, an abomination of college football!

I couldn't agree more, if the BCS is so bad why re-create it with something as stupid as the GPI!xidiotx xidiotx xidiotx

[*****]

Yes that's true, but the GPI was modeled after it, why model something after the BCS, I can't find many people who will tell you it's a good idea...Nothing wrong with the GPI considering how accurate it is. This is not your father's GPI, it has changed significantly and the BCS would never use the GPI because the results would not be palatable for the BCS folks. Their champ game would be quite different if they used the GPI. xlolx

[bluehenbillk]

Nothing wrong with the GPI considering how accurate it is. This is not your father's GPI, it has changed significantly and the BCS would never use the GPI because the results would not be palatable for the BCS folks. Their champ game would be quite different if they used the GPI. xlolx

Well first off it's been proven that in the 3 years of the AGS Poll the GPI has never out-performed the AGS Poll. It's changed significantly only because faults were found. No one is going to defend the BCS & say that the participants in its' NC game are nor have been the 2 most worthy schools. Every once in a while like last year even the BCS couldn't get it wrong but that's the exception versus the rule.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ralph
Neither is the BCS, an abomination of college football!

I couldn't agree more, if the BCS is so bad why re-create it with something as stupid as the GPI!

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Unfortunately, I don't see playoffs as a big increase in money unless they expand the playoffs to March Madness proportions. Right now, essentially any BCS team with a winning record is guaranteed a bowl bid. That's a lot of money to give up. Maybe the lesser bowls can stay afloat in a playoff environment by taking non-playoff teams and possibly first round losers - I don't know the answer to that one.

They could let all teams who do not get into the playoffs play in the bowl games. I think ultimately MORE money would be made in a playoff system because of the proximity effect - if teams get to HOST a game that can actually be a road to the national championship, more people will show up at that game than would Michigan and Notre Dame fans (or whoever is in the Rose Bowl) traveling to Pasadena. The playoffs would also generate a lot of excitement and TV ratings.

There is no excuse for not having a playoff - it's better for all involved. Any FBS fan that thinks their system is not completely broken needs to look at the history of the CS playoffs. The championship is often not two teams ranked even in the top 5, and many, many times, a team comes out of nowhere and surprises us, like UMASS in '98, WKU in '02, Colgate and Wofford in '03, JMU in '04, and UNI in '05.

[*****]

I am proud of the way the AGS Poll (three years) and the GPI (nine years) have performed.

[OL FU]

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[bluehenbillk]

Yea but you have to realize the # of teams in a 1-A playoff will likely be a smaller number, I used to think they could/would do 16 teams but now I think 4 or 8 is probably what it'll be if/when they ever go to it.

[slycat]

Yea but you have to realize the # of teams in a 1-A playoff will likely be a smaller number, I used to think they could/would do 16 teams but now I think 4 or 8 is probably what it'll be if/when they ever go to it.

i think 8 would be perfect or atleast a good start.