Indiana State at South Dakota State

[Sycamore62]

Well, I'll start this one up. It will probably be me and a bunch of SDSU fans and some AGS regulars but who cares.

At the beginning of the season I didnt see this as a must win(for playoff contention) but more of a win that would take the pressure of some games later in the season.

5 dimes has us at +14. I guess that seems reasonable.

We played last week without 3 of 4 starting DL including probably our best defensive player Connor Underwood, and we were missing our #2 RB which is now our #1 RB because we lost our original #1 for the season. I think some guys will be back but I'm not sure which ones.

I suspect that IF both sides of our line perform well we could win however IF either our OL or DL dont do well we wont be able to make up for it on the other side of the ball.

[Professor Chaos]

I think after last week SDSU is going to make a concerted effort to get Weineke involved early. Regardless, he should be ISUb's first and foremost concern because he is by far their top playmaker on offense. I was surprised by the 56 ISUb put up on MSU last week, I figured their offense would be in pretty rough shape after losing the QB who was their offense to graduation and with the injuries to their RBs. Still trying to figure out if MSU is just that bad. In any case, it'll be an interesting game to follow. One of the 6 ranked MVFC teams is going to have to fall off the pace and whoever loses this game is in danger of being that team.

[Sycamore62]

I think after last week SDSU is going to make a concerted effort to get Weineke involved early. Regardless, he should be ISUb's first and foremost concern because he is by far their top playmaker on offense. I was surprised by the 56 ISUb put up on MSU last week, I figured their offense would be in pretty rough shape after losing the QB who was their offense to graduation and with the injuries to their RBs. Still trying to figure out if MSU is just that bad. In any case, it'll be an interesting game to follow. One of the 6 ranked MVFC teams is going to have to fall off the pace and whoever loses this game is in danger of being that team.

Our current QB played the ISUr game that we had a real shot to win until our infamous squib kick fail. We have some players on offense but I think we had like 4 or 6 sacks and a bunch of TFLs. I think we are literally almost last in FCS for sacks and tfls given up.

[UNIFanSince1983]

ISUb - 1865
SDSU - 1888

ISUb by 10

[BisonFan02]

ISUb - 1865
SDSU - 1888

ISUb by 10

I think someone should put together a calculator for the above data to see how it would perform against AGS/Sagarin......Clenz? :D

[CappinHard]

I see SDSU coming out and playing angry after getting embarrassed at home last weekend. This is bad news for ISUb. If it was a normal week, I think it's a close game, but after last week there's going to be a fire under their asses... I am thinking a 10 point win is in order. Sorry ISUb, you can blame the bison.

[Sycamore62]

I see SDSU coming out and playing angry after getting embarrassed at home last weekend. This is bad news for ISUb. If it was a normal week, I think it's a close game, but after last week there's going to be a fire under their asses... I am thinking a 10 point win is in order. Sorry ISUb, you can blame the bison.

I dont think your assessment is unreasonable. Ive been reading your QB was beat up a little(lot). Any word on him?

[CappinHard]

I dont think your assessment is unreasonable. Ive been reading your QB was beat up a little(lot). Any word on him?

I don't know... our new beat writer this year is lacking in terms of giving updates like this. I have heard rumors that he won't play this week. Honestly, I don't think there will be much of a dropoff between him and his backup. Lujan is serviceable, but nothing to write home about. We don't need a good QB to get Wieneke the ball, you literally just have to throw it in his general direction, and he will go get it. You guys should be pretty familiar with him after his tecmo super bowl zig zag run after the catch for a TD last year.

[Sycamore62]

I don't know... our new beat writer this year is lacking in terms of giving updates like this. I have heard rumors that he won't play this week. Honestly, I don't think there will be much of a dropoff between him and his backup. Lujan is serviceable, but nothing to write home about. We don't need a good QB to get Wieneke the ball, you literally just have to throw it in his general direction, and he will go get it. You guys should be pretty familiar with him after his tecmo super bowl zig zag run after the catch for a TD last year.

yes, that and the 114 yd touchdown run from zenner (again). Was Lujan the backup last year that played when Sumner was out?

[CappinHard]

yes, that and the 114 yd touchdown run from zenner (again). Was Lujan the backup last year that played when Sumner was out?

Yes, that is correct.

[centennial]

I don't know... our new beat writer this year is lacking in terms of giving updates like this. I have heard rumors that he won't play this week. Honestly, I don't think there will be much of a dropoff between him and his backup. Lujan is serviceable, but nothing to write home about. We don't need a good QB to get Wieneke the ball, you literally just have to throw it in his general direction, and he will go get it. You guys should be pretty familiar with him after his tecmo super bowl zig zag run after the catch for a TD last year.
In game experience always counts. Even for someone that only has 10 games under his belt. Unless the backup is a highly recruited 3-4 star, I would expect there to be a difference. It's hard to judge Lujan from the NDSU game.

[Sycamore62]

In game experience always counts. Even for someone that only has 10 games under his belt. Unless the backup is a highly recruited 3-4 star, I would expect there to be a difference. It's hard to judge Lujan from the NDSU game.

Kind of like teaching your kid to ride a bike on a freeway.

[KUlawJack]

ISUb - 1865
SDSU - 1888

ISUb by 10

SDSU - 1881

Now you'll have to redo your calculation.

[CappinHard]

In game experience always counts. Even for someone that only has 10 games under his belt. Unless the backup is a highly recruited 3-4 star, I would expect there to be a difference. It's hard to judge Lujan from the NDSU game.

It could be me trying to make myself feel better about Lujan possibly being out, but the backup (Douglas) has gotten in a couple games this year during garbage time, and has looked decent. The backup that I wish would play is Taryn Christion (a 2 star recruit), but he is red shirting this year, and unless Lujan's injury is a season ending one, I don't see them pulling his red shirt just for a game or two. He is going to be very exciting to watch in the coming years.

[UNIFanSince1983]

SDSU - 1881

Now you'll have to redo your calculation.

Damn I read Wiki wrong.

ISUb by 7

[Thumper 76]

Damn I read Wiki wrong.

ISUb by 7

Remember it's a teaching school vs a land grant.

[Sycamore62]

Remember it's a teaching school vs a land grant.

And I think we had all the name changes associated with it

[Thumper 76]

And I think we had all the name changes associated with it

See I thought robs new ranking and predictor system would be easier, but this is getting complex

[BisonFan02]

It could be me trying to make myself feel better about Lujan possibly being out, but the backup (Douglas) has gotten in a couple games this year during garbage time, and has looked decent. The backup that I wish would play is Taryn Christion (a 2 star recruit), but he is red shirting this year, and unless Lujan's injury is a season ending one, I don't see them pulling his red shirt just for a game or two. He is going to be very exciting to watch in the coming years.

Don't burn that kid's redshirt this year....the backup will be just fine this season if Lujan is done.

[jacksfan29]

Don't burn that kid's redshirt this year....the backup will be just fine this season if Lujan is done.

They won't burn it this year. If Lujan can't go expect Douglas to play in his place. If Lujan is hurt, sounds like it would be one or possibly two games he may miss. I expect him to play, he's a tough kid, very tough as witnessed by the beating he took last week; and he stayed in the game.

[centennial]

They won't burn it this year. If Lujan can't go expect Douglas to play in his place. If Lujan is hurt, sounds like it would be one or possibly two games he may miss. I expect him to play, he's a tough kid, very tough as witnessed by the beating he took last week; and he stayed in the game.
I was surprised that SDSU coaches didn't take him out. It was evident in the 3rd that he was beat up and hurting. The game was a real long shot in the 3rd, put the backup in. We did the same with Wentz at Montana, I was not happy with that too.

[BisonFan02]

They won't burn it this year. If Lujan can't go expect Douglas to play in his place. If Lujan is hurt, sounds like it would be one or possibly two games he may miss. I expect him to play, he's a tough kid, very tough as witnessed by the beating he took last week; and he stayed in the game.

Agree...I'm assuming it would only be a brief time off as well. The point about the "redshirt burn" would be even if it was a longer term injury to Lujan. I wouldn't spend a year of eligibility on Taryn for this season considering you guys have more than a serviceable backup.

[grizband]

ISUb - 1865
SDSU - 1888

ISUb by 10
Don't you man ISUb by 13?

[Sycamore62]

Don't you man ISUb by 13?

Im thinking of using a scoring style like this for my golf game

[grizband]

Im thinking of using a scoring style like this for my golf game
Should have been 23...;)

[BisonFan02]

Don't you man ISUb by 13?

SDSU is a land grant school....get with it. :D

[UNIFanSince1983]

Okay taking into consideration Land Grant vs Teachers College.

It is ISUb by 3.

[grizband]

SDSU is a land grant school....get with it. :D
Don't know how I missed that! Mea culpa

[Sycamore62]

Okay taking into consideration Land Grant vs Teachers College.

It is ISUb by 3.

they way the past 2 seasons have went, if we win, it will be by less than 7 and some crazy crap will happen at the end to seal it for us

[underdawg]

I hope Jacks win-

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

After last week without a strong showing by SDSU they are in BIG trouble. Must win for the playoff hunt. That being said SDSU beats them up. 2 score victory.

[Sycamore62]

I'm guessing we will find out which injured players are back for both teams when SDSU takes their first snap Saturday

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

SDSU comes out with some fire after last week's beat down.

35-24

[CappinHard]

After last week without a strong showing by SDSU they are in BIG trouble. Must win for the playoff hunt. That being said SDSU beats them up. 2 score victory.

Is this a serious post? The only loss we have this year is against the #1 team in the nation. We have an FBS win under our belt, we play ISUr and UNI at home this year, and somehow with 2 losses we will be in 'BIG trouble'? This is a big game, but from here on out they are all big games. Definitely not a 'must win' in terms of getting into the playoffs, maybe in terms of getting a top 8 seed. Anyway, I am thinking SDSU wins by 10.

[jacksfan29]

Is this a serious post? The only loss we have this year is against the #1 team in the nation. We have an FBS win under our belt, we play ISUr and UNI at home this year, and somehow with 2 losses we will be in 'BIG trouble'? This is a big game, but from here on out they are all big games. Definitely not a 'must win' in terms of getting into the playoffs, maybe in terms of getting a top 8 seed. Anyway, I am thinking SDSU wins by 10.

A loss does not knock us out of the playoff discussion, we are not playing MSU or USD. That said, I think this is an important game, mentally for this team. It is time to forget about last weekend and move on.

[tomq04]

The only hope of getting a seed is if Dayton declines an invite imo.

[Sycamore62]

I look at a win for ISUb exactly the same way as a loss by SDSU or the opposite depending on how you look at it. If making the playoffs is the first or main goal, the a win takes the pressure off needing a later season upset. If SDSU were to lose then they would make a later season game a must win to get the seed or bid they wanted.

With a win here, I wouldn't pencil in a playoff bid for ISUb because there would be a lot of road to step on their dick in the next 6 weeks. I also wouldn't rule out SDSU winning out and going 9-2 after a loss tomorrow.

[PantherRob82]

The only hope of getting a seed is if Dayton declines an invite imo.
Dayton has already accepted all 5 seeds.

[Sycamore62]

Dayton has already accepted all 5 seeds.

Which school in Dayton, Belmont High or Dunbar High

[PantherRob82]

Which school in Dayton, Belmont High or Dunbar High

THE University of Dayton Flyers

#NoHatinOnDayton

[Sycamore62]

THE University of Dayton Flyers

#NoHatinOnDayton

#iliterallyhateallofyourteams

[BisonTru]

Dayton has already accepted all 5 seeds.

There's eight seeds, but yes Dayton will accept all of them, split their team 8 ways, and win all of them. They will then scrimmage themselves in Frisco.

Unfortunately they won't get to the top spot in the poll, because by then most pollsters will have bought in to "the age of the school" as the most important factor when ranking teams.

[PantherRob82]

There's eight seeds, but yes Dayton will accept all of them, split their team 8 ways, and win all of them. They will then scrimmage themselves in Frisco.

Unfortunately they won't get to the top spot in the poll, because by then most pollsters will have bought in to "the age of the school" as the most important factor when ranking teams.

Dang it. Stuck in my old ways. Maybe they shared the other 3.

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#iliterallyhateallofyourteams

#ISometimesForgetYoursExists


xlolx

[Sycamore62]

Dang it. Stuck in my old ways. Maybe they shared the other 3.

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#ISometimesForgetYoursExists


xlolx
#illbetyoudidntthistimelastyear

[PantherRob82]

#illbetyoudidntthistimelastyear

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/277901-indiana-state-wins-edging-western-illinois-17-14

#33GameLosingStreak
#OurOffenseisF#@$ed

;)

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

Is this a serious post? The only loss we have this year is against the #1 team in the nation. We have an FBS win under our belt, we play ISUr and UNI at home this year, and somehow with 2 losses we will be in 'BIG trouble'? This is a big game, but from here on out they are all big games. Definitely not a 'must win' in terms of getting into the playoffs, maybe in terms of getting a top 8 seed. Anyway, I am thinking SDSU wins by 10.

So your saying that going 0-2 in MVFC is not a problem. Especially after last weeks debacle of a showing against NDSU. Digging a hole for yourself in conference play is not good. Not to mention later in the year you have games against YSU, UNI, ISUR. Sure MSU and USD are doormats. But WIU is tough. So for a seed and playoffs I'd say this game is very important.

Further more I think if you lose this week you lose the next two as well, are at 3-4 and are in BIG trouble. so yup, totally serious

[PantherRob82]

So your saying that going 0-2 in MVFC is not a problem. Especially after last weeks debacle of a showing against NDSU. Digging a hole for yourself in conference play is not good. Not to mention later in the year you have games against YSU, UNI, ISUR. Sure MSU and USD are doormats. But WIU is tough. So for a seed and playoffs I'd say this game is very important.

Further more I think if you lose this week you lose the next two as well, are at 3-4 and are in BIG trouble. so yup, totally serious

Plus, if you lose tomorrow and then lose the next 6, then you are 3-8.

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

Rob your math is beyond refute

[Thumper 76]

Plus, if you lose tomorrow and then lose the next 6, then you are 3-8.

21436

[Thumper 76]

This thread is disturbingly on topic

[IBleedYellow]

Pizza?

[PantherRob82]

This thread is disturbingly on topic

Is it Hobo Day?

[Sycamore62]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/277901-indiana-state-wins-edging-western-illinois-17-14

#33GameLosingStreak
#OurOffenseisF#@$ed

;)

Someday I'd like to tell the whole story starting in about '95 as to what string of events turned our program from heading the right way to the 53 losses in 54 games. Im afraid i would get banned from the board for hurting the feelings of a couple subgroups of people who tend to blow things up when you question any of their member's actions.

[Thumper 76]

Is it Hobo Day?

Nope. Military Appreciation Day. Got some special jerseys for it and everything. Personally I kinda like them. Seems a lot don't though.
21437

[PantherRob82]

Nope. Military Appreciation Day. Got some special jerseys for it and everything. Personally I kinda like them. Seems a lot don't though.
21437

That's a terrible rendering. I'll wait to see them in on the players tomorrow to decide. I like the gray.

[Thumper 76]

That's a terrible rendering. I'll wait to see them in on the players tomorrow to decide. I like the gray.

Yeah the Jackrabbit logo makes it hard to see.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Hobo Day is when UNI comes to town. Going to be a lot of disappointed Hobo's on that day ;)

[goyotes]

Some buzz this morning that SDSU QB Lujan may not play today and the redshirt will be pulled from freshman QB Taryn Christion

[Kemo]

Some buzz this morning that SDSU QB Lujan may not play today and the redshirt will be pulled from freshman QB Taryn Christion

That would be a big deal if true. Taryn is a stud, but I really don't want to see his redshirt pulled unless he's going to be the starter for the rest of the year. Sounds like Lujan will only be out 1-2 weeks, and Douglas is a competent back up, so I'm hoping this is just a rumor.

[Thumper 76]

That would be a big deal if true. Taryn is a stud, but I really don't want to see his redshirt pulled unless he's going to starter for the rest of the year. Sounds like Lujan will only be out 1-2 weeks, and Douglas is a competent back up, so I'm hoping this is just a rumor.

Ditto

[Sycamore62]

Our best DE is a game time decision. Everyone else who wasn't out for the season should be back. Las week we were missing 3/4 DL and our best remaining RB.

I may may have posted that already

[Kemo]

Well, got confirmation from multiple media outlets that true freshman Taryn Christion will make his debut at QB today. Lujan couldn't go due to an ankle injury.

[BisonTru]

Well, got confirmation from multiple media outlets that true freshman Taryn Christion will make his debut at QB today. Lujan couldn't go due to an ankle injury.

Thank you,

The rest of the MVFC

[PantherRob82]

That's crazy for them to pull a redshirt unless they think this guy may be better than Lujan.

[Sycamore62]

Wind direction?

[PantherRob82]

New QB looks good so far. Lujan might be getting nervous. :)

[mmiller_34]

Just got robbed a TD

[Twentysix]

LOL that was a blown call on 3rd.

[Kemo]

MVFC refs are par of the course on the first drive. Missed a obvious facemask and a TD on third down. Of course we don't make it on 4th.

[Twentysix]

TD ISUr, still no video feed.

ISUr 7
YSU 0

Back to the jacks game!

[centennial]

Good catch by the Indiana State receiver.

[Schism55]

Entire empty sections of seats. Guess the 7k estimates from last week weren't far off.

[Thumper 76]

Entire empty sections of seats. Guess the 7k estimates from last week weren't far off.

Harvest in full swing doesn't help much

[Kemo]

Christion looking pretty good except on the 2 throws that required some touch.

[Bisonwinagn]

Harvest in full swing doesn't help much


How is that not done?

[Thumper 76]

How is that not done?

Shoot they aren't even on corn yet, think they been waiting for it to dry out some.

[Drblankstare]

What happened to the Ind St player that was wheeled off? I just turned the game on as he was being taken off.

[Thumper 76]

Not sure, neck/spine injury possibility is all I've seen. For those watchin how has Taryn look? He sounds good on the radio.

[centennial]

South Dakota State using the Wentz like QB draws. They score on a nice throw 14-0.

[BisonTru]

Not sure, neck/spine injury possibility is all I've seen. For those watchin how has Taryn look? He sounds good on the radio.

So far, very good. Very good with his legs, throws are on target. Seems comfortable.

[Thumper 76]

Wow. Awful clock management. WTF

[mmiller_34]

WTf

[BisonTru]

Wow... OC screwed up big time.

[Sycamore62]

Really confident or really dumb

[mmiller_34]

Really confident or really dumb

Really dumb.

[Jackal]

I really hope our freshman QB checked down to the wrong play....or something. No coach in their right mind would call that.......i'm just sure of it.

[Thumper 76]

I really hope our freshman QB checked down to the wrong play....or something. No coach in their right mind would call that.......i'm just sure of it.

Are you?

[Sycamore62]

Our strategy was to wear your QB out to where he gets cramps with so much offense

[PantherRob82]

So you pull a RS just to have someone else play? Nice.

[Jackal]

Are you?
lol no

[penguinpower]

YSU vs. Isur is on now

[UNI Pike]

So you pull a RS just to have someone else play? Nice.

I think the FR QB is cramping up in one leg. Not especially impressed with either team in watching this for about 2 Q.

[PantherRob82]

No one knows what's going on here apparently...

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That dude got JACKED.

[PantherRob82]

What just happened? No explanation?

[Sycamore62]

What just happened? No explanation?

Damn mic isn't working

[Sycamore62]

Bull**** late hit call. We are all even

[MR. CHICKEN]

PERSONAL FOULS....ON DUH TREES.....STYMIED YER CAUSE.......FIRE BRAWK!

[mmiller_34]

Just got back from the game. I really like the look of SDSU's offense with Christion. I feel bad for Lujan, but I don't see how SDSU keeps Christion out when Lujan gets healthy. He can do everything that Lujan can do plus adding a whole new dimension to the running game. We'll see what happens next week at YSU.

[Thumper 76]

Just got back from the game. I really like the look of SDSU's offense with Christion. I feel bad for Lujan, but I don't see how SDSU keeps Christion out when Lujan gets healthy. He can do everything that Lujan can do plus adding a whole new dimension to the running game. We'll see what happens next week at YSU.

That will be the real test there. Road game at a quality opponent.

[BisonFan02]

Just got back from the game. I really like the look of SDSU's offense with Christion. I feel bad for Lujan, but I don't see how SDSU keeps Christion out when Lujan gets healthy. He can do everything that Lujan can do plus adding a whole new dimension to the running game. We'll see what happens next week at YSU.

You don't burn Christion's redshirt if you don't make him the starter...its his job now as I agree with your assessment...bad deal for Lujan, but he is relegated to #2 even if healthy. Otherwise, you waste a year of eligibility for the guy of the future.

[Bisonwinagn]

You don't burn Christion's redshirt if you don't make him the starter...its his job now as I agree with your assessment...bad deal for Lujan, but he is relegated to #2 even if healthy. Otherwise, you waste a year of eligibility for the guy of the future.

I'm not sure that's the case. I don't think any of the redshirts NDSU pulled this year are starters. However they are the best backups and will see playing time.

[Kemo]

Just got back from the game. I really like the look of SDSU's offense with Christion. I feel bad for Lujan, but I don't see how SDSU keeps Christion out when Lujan gets healthy. He can do everything that Lujan can do plus adding a whole new dimension to the running game. We'll see what happens next week at YSU.

I think yesterday's game may have turned us into UNI, as in rotating QBs periodically. The difference being that it'll be experience vs. inexperience rather than runner vs. passer (as Taryn can throw significantly better than Bailey).

I hope I'm wrong.

[Bisonator]

I'm not sure that's the case. I don't think any of the redshirts NDSU pulled this year are starters. However they are the best backups and will see playing time.

Difference being NDSU pulled those RS's during week 1-2. The season's almost half over now and you burn a RS you just lost that player a half year of playing time.

[BisonFan02]

I'm not sure that's the case. I don't think any of the redshirts NDSU pulled this year are starters. However they are the best backups and will see playing time.

QB is a different animal...you answered your own case with the "will see playing time" portion of your post. Most teams don't rotate QBs.... :D

[PantherRob82]

You don't burn Christion's redshirt if you don't make him the starter...its his job now as I agree with your assessment...bad deal for Lujan, but he is relegated to #2 even if healthy. Otherwise, you waste a year of eligibility for the guy of the future.

Seems like it.

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QB is a different animal...you answered your own case with the "will see playing time" portion of your post. Most teams don't rotate QBs.... :D

Unless you are UNI, who rotates QBs every other year or so.

[BisonFan02]

Seems like it.

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Unless you are UNI, who rotates QBs every other month/week or so.

FIFY :D

[PantherRob82]

FIFY :D

I meant every few years or so we deal with this BS.

I don't recall this crap when SK was a fr/so. Before him we had multiple pairs like this.