HS players intentionally blindside ref

[JayJ79]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCrs63JeuM

WTF is up with this?
these two need to be kicked off the team
heck, IMO, they should face criminal charges as well.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

They absolutely should face criminal charges.

[Laker]

They should never set foot on a football field again- unless it is for a game against the Guards in The Longest Yard. No excuse for that.

[Catsfan90]

They should 100% face criminal charges. They could have seriously injured or killed him with what they did.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Investigate first..review the entire game film....if either of them are seen talking to coaches before this play, ban the players AND the coaches from HS sports..

[JayJ79]

Investigate first..review the entire game film....if either of them are seen talking to coaches before this play, ban the players AND the coaches from HS sports..

not sure that merely talking to coaches would be enough to uphold a ban on the coaches, unless there was evidence that they were discussing this sort of action beforehand.

[ngineer]

That is unbelievable! Both players should face criminal charges. Obviously, if shown the coaches knew beforehand they were going to do this and did nothing to stop it, they should also be charged with aiding and abetting.

[superman7515]

Unreal. Hope they like playing wide receiver.

[clenz]

The ref has said he wants to press charges

[gotts]

Unreal. Hope they like playing wide receiver.

Kudos to these two. They blew their chance at playing right end.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I think you meant "tight".

[FormerPokeCenter]

They'll only be lining up tight that first night...

[Cocky]

I would say from watching the other players on their team, its was a decision between the two players. If the coach had instructed the players to hit the ref the others would have had to turn and watch or at least one.

[Cocky]

Is there video of the bad call?

[superman7515]

I don't recall seeing anything that sad the ref made a bad call, just that these guys were ticked off that they were losing the game.

[Cocky]

At least two teammates had been ejected earlier in the game. Starting to sound like a team out of control.

[Catatonic]

The players have been suspended from the team and school by the Northside School District pending completion of its investigation.

Players are alleging the ref used racial slurs (even if true, which seems unlikely, their action was totally unacceptable). FWIW, the refs were from Austin, the most liberal, tolerant city in Texas.

In addition to the school district's investigation, the Texas UIL (governing authority for high school sports in the state) is investigating.

The Ref has said he wants criminal charges filed. The Refs Association has said at a minimum the players should be barred permanently from further participation in football.

[Cocky]

Tolerant maybe a stretch, especially if you dont agree with them (for the record neither side is tolerant of opposing views). But that a political board item, sorry.

[Catatonic]

Tolerant maybe a stretch, especially if you dont agree with them (for the record neither side is tolerant of opposing views). But that a political board item, sorry.

In this case, I meant tolerant in the sense that Austin is known as a city that does not discriminate based on race, gender, ethnicity, sexual proclivities or style of dress....In short, Austin is not a red neck town where racists abound.

http://www.vancouversun.com/2012sunrun/event/cms/binary/6299794.jpg?size=620x400

[gotts]

I think you meant "tight".

Yes. That's what I get for posting on mobile.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The players have been suspended from the team and school by the Northside School District pending completion of its investigation.

Players are alleging the ref used racial slurs (even if true, which seems unlikely, their action was totally unacceptable). FWIW, the refs were from Austin, the most liberal, tolerant city in Texas.

In addition to the school district's investigation, the Texas UIL (governing authority for high school sports in the state) is investigating.

The Ref has said he wants criminal charges filed. The Refs Association has said at a minimum the players should be barred permanently from further participation in football.

I get sick of hearing that **** as an excuse for doing something horrendous to another. As you said if he did then he deserves to be looked into and I'm sure they'd find a trail of that behavior but it doesn't mean jack **** as far as what these two morons did.

I bet we'll hear a representative of at least one of these two claim a concussion made him do it as well.

[Evolution Prime]

I honestly hope they never play organized high school sports again.

[eiu1999]

I hope the charges are coming soon.

[Catatonic]

The Texas UIL has called a hearing on this incident for tomorrow morning. The players allege they were encouraged by an assistant coach to "get" the ref and that the ref used racial slurs. These allegations along with the targeting itself will all be explored.

Meanwhile, the Marble Falls PD (the town where the game was played) is conducting its own investigation to determine whether to file assault charges against the players. The Marble Falls District Attorney has said he is open to filing such charges depending upon the evidence the PD finds in their investigation. A decision should be made later this week.

[Missingnumber7]

The National Association of Sports Officials, of which the official who was hit has been a member of for 14 years, issued a statement yesterday stating that if the state does not do anything that they will step forward and persue whatever the offical wants persued. I have also heard within some officials message boards that the official that was hit is considering cases for libel/slander. That being said, if nothing other than a suspension happens I would go after several groups.

1. The players, especially if there was any personal injury, but I would also have trouble stepping on the field again without watching my back constantly. They should not be able to play at the HS level for sure and I think if they charge them as adults then it will be something that the schools that might recruit them will always be able to find out. I would personally rather see these young men charged with assault as adults and pay the price. If they are going to do this within the confines of a game and claim 'racial slurs' and a coach told me to do this. Where does that stop in the course of life?

2. The coach who told them to 'make the official pay'. I know people make rash decisions and speak way out of turn...they are called fans not coaches. This young man should never set foot on a HS sideline again.

3. The HC who is also the athletic director. You have to have some kind of control of your team. It is obvious there are discipline problems. 2 ejections prior to the hit on the official for fighting. And then when they incidentally ejected the wrong player, the one who speared the official hit the QB from the other team after he had taken a knee.

4. The school district. I would be willing to drop them from the suit under certain circumstances. Namely fireing of the assistant coach, suspension of the head coach, and not allowing the students who hit me to play any atheletic event ever again.

As a nation in high school athletics we have lost a vision of what these games are for. While a source of community pride they are supposed to be an extension of the classroom, teaching sportsmanship, fair play and getting exercise.

[Catatonic]

As far as the UIL state executive committee goes, it can publicly reprimand or suspend a student-athlete, but has more options to deal with participating schools. The UIL can choose to impose a reprimand, public reprimand, forfeiture of contest, disqualify teams from district honors up to three years, or a mandatory disqualification.

www.kvue.com/story/sports/2015/09/08/uil-hearing-scheduled-over-playerreferee-incident/71901656/ (http://www.kvue.com/story/sports/2015/09/08/uil-hearing-scheduled-over-playerreferee-incident/71901656/)

[eiu1999]

The National Association of Sports Officials, of which the official who was hit has been a member of for 14 years, issued a statement yesterday stating that if the state does not do anything that they will step forward and persue whatever the offical wants persued. I have also heard within some officials message boards that the official that was hit is considering cases for libel/slander. That being said, if nothing other than a suspension happens I would go after several groups.

1. The players, especially if there was any personal injury, but I would also have trouble stepping on the field again without watching my back constantly. They should not be able to play at the HS level for sure and I think if they charge them as adults then it will be something that the schools that might recruit them will always be able to find out. I would personally rather see these young men charged with assault as adults and pay the price. If they are going to do this within the confines of a game and claim 'racial slurs' and a coach told me to do this. Where does that stop in the course of life?

2. The coach who told them to 'make the official pay'. I know people make rash decisions and speak way out of turn...they are called fans not coaches. This young man should never set foot on a HS sideline again.

3. The HC who is also the athletic director. You have to have some kind of control of your team. It is obvious there are discipline problems. 2 ejections prior to the hit on the official for fighting. And then when they incidentally ejected the wrong player, the one who speared the official hit the QB from the other team after he had taken a knee.

4. The school district. I would be willing to drop them from the suit under certain circumstances. Namely fireing of the assistant coach, suspension of the head coach, and not allowing the students who hit me to play any atheletic event ever again.

As a nation in high school athletics we have lost a vision of what these games are for. While a source of community pride they are supposed to be an extension of the classroom, teaching sportsmanship, fair play and getting exercise.

Well said.

[Catatonic]

The Texas UIL Executive Committee held a preliminary hearing this morning to review the status of this incident. Members had read preliminary reports from both schools and officials prior to the meeting. They heard from school officials of the Northside School District, where Jay High School is located, and from the director of the Texas high school officials organization to determine what steps each will take to complete their investigations in a timely manner. Today was simply an update and expression of concerns and not a time when any decisions were made.

UIL committee members expressed concerns about the overall "culture" of the football program at John Jay HS, based on the number of infracions and ejections throughout the game, as well as comments allegedly made by coaches during earlier subvarsity contests. The reaction by school board officials made it clear that they believe this incident was limited to no more than one coach and two players and not a reflection of the overall attitude of players or the coaching staff as a whole.

The director of the officiating organization outlined the protocol for reviewing allegations of ethics violations by officials (including racial slurs). He is still gathering information from each member of the officiating crew as well as reviewing game film to determine if such violations happened.

Students will remain suspended at least until the next meeting of the Texas UIL Executive Board upon conclusion of the investigations. The criminal investigation is also ongoing but falls outside the purview of the Texas UIL.

[Missingnumber7]

UIL committee members expressed concerns about the overall "culture" of the football program at John Jay HS, based on the number of infracions and ejections throughout the game, as well as comments allegedly made by coaches during earlier subvarsity contests. The reaction by school board officials made it clear that they believe this incident was limited to no more than one coach and two players and not a reflection of the overall attitude of players or the coaching staff as a whole.
I wondered if the JV game from thursday was going to come out. To be honest other than the 2 kids that actually carried out the act and hit the official, coaches and fans interactions with officials at the high school level is reprehensible. Eventually it was going to happen because kids don't just hear all the stuff from the stands and the coaches and not react. I have been told several times by players on the fields/courts that they are so embarassed by their parents/coaches. The problem that will happen if this isn't punished properly and the overtones that are coming out about racial slurs and bad calls continuing to be allowed on ESPN, CNN, NBC, CBS, and ABC will allow some kid somewhere to see that and say that its alright if I react this way, he deserves it. I will tell you that an official that continually acts in a mannor that is described, won't last 14 years as a high school offiical...Not in North Dakota where we are so short FB officials that guys are working their first game as a HS Varsity game. And if it wouldn't last here, it certainly wouldn't last in a state like Texas that treats FB far different than we do.

[Missingnumber7]

The papers in San Antonio released the names of the kids. It was a sophomore and a senior. I feel this is going to get very interesting. The lawyer that was hired has extensive experience with officials and is an official. I believe he defended a crew from either Texas or Louisiana who was sued when a kid died on the field following a concussion several years ago.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

As a nation in high school athletics we have lost a vision of what these games are for. While a source of community pride they are supposed to be an extension of the classroom, teaching sportsmanship, fair play and getting exercise.

Whole thing was good 7 but that is the line of the day as far as I'm concerned. All across the nation people think they or their kids are special and deserve, or are going to the big time. Your kid ain't going pro, just have some fun instead of being douchebags.

[Missingnumber7]

Whole thing was good 7 but that is the line of the day as far as I'm concerned. All across the nation people think they or their kids are special and deserve, or are going to the big time. Your kid ain't going pro, just have some fun instead of being douchebags.

I honestly love officiating. It makes a little extra $$ for the wife to spend, but football is a blast and for the most part the coaches and players are great. Youth ball especially is fun. The kids that just want to play FB and run around. I fear the day when they decide that teams are going to play in an empty gym/field because parents can't get over themselves. The thing that will never cease to amaze me is the simple acts of sportsmanship that happen.

[walliver]

Is the video a Florida State recruiting video? ... or did I miss something?

[bkrownd]

The Texas UIL has called a hearing on this incident for tomorrow morning. The players allege they were encouraged by an assistant coach to "get" the ref and that the ref used racial slurs. These allegations along with the targeting itself will all be explored.

If the coaches are involved this program's season should be terminated immediately.

[Cocky]

If the coaches are involved this program's season should be terminated immediately.
What about the players who didnt know or didnt approve?

[ngineer]

They absolutely should face criminal charges.

Matter is being investigated by police/DA. I heard a report today that one of the team's assistant coaches knew the assault was coming. If so, his ass should be in a sling, too.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Matter is being investigated by police/DA. I heard a report today that one of the team's assistant coaches knew the assault was coming. If so, his ass should be in a sling, too.

Absolutely, he is the biggest POS of the bunch if it is true.

Go watch BisonBacker's video on the "True Sportsmanship" thread because is the opposite end of this sort of thing and these sort of people and will make you feel good.

[NDSUSR]

Its all good, the players are headed to ISUr. /lol I keed, I keeed..

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uduowNJxWFU/hqdefault.jpg.

[bkrownd]

What about the players who didnt know or didnt approve? Sometimes good people get caught up in bad crowds, but it smells like that barrel is full of rotten apples. Between the ejections and that incident a "cooling down period" for everyone involved seems justified.

[Daytripper]

This story might give you pause before you ruin their life by throwing them in jail.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/2015/09/18/former-trinity-star-who-hit-ref-says-bad-decision-doesnt-define-him/72376546/

[clenz]

This story might give you pause before you ruin their life by throwing them in jail.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/2015/09/18/former-trinity-star-who-hit-ref-says-bad-decision-doesnt-define-him/72376546/
Read it....gave me no pause.

I never feel bad for dip **** assholes who feel the need to ruin their owns lives by doing this ****. Jail doesn't ruin their lives. Them being dumb as **** ruins their lives.

Zero pitty on those ****ing clowns

[Daytripper]

Read it....gave me no pause.

I never feel bad for dip **** assholes who feel the need to ruin their owns lives by doing this ****. Jail doesn't ruin their lives. Them being dumb as **** ruins their lives.

Zero pitty on those ****ing clowns


I agree with you to an extent. But a criminal record can limit a person's ability to have any future at all. And anybody who has been in prison will tell you that they learned more about being a criminal and became much more hardened in the joint. I'm not saying they should get off scott free, but they are kids. If I had gotten caught doing some of the stupid ***** I did as a teenager, I wouldn't be where I am. I was young and stupid and made bad decisions. Luckily I didn't get caught. As for the guy in the story, if he had been charged and convicted he very likely never becomes a police officer and possible becomes a career criminal.

[clenz]

I agree with you to an extent. But a criminal record can limit a person's ability to have any future at all. And anybody who has been in prison will tell you that they learned more about being a criminal and became much more hardened in the joint. I'm not saying they should get off scott free, but they are kids. If I had gotten caught doing some of the stupid ***** I did as a teenager, I wouldn't be where I am. I was young and stupid and made bad decisions. Luckily I didn't get caught. As for the guy in the story, if he had been charged and convicted he very likely never becomes a police officer and possible becomes a career criminal.
Doing "stupid ****" is 100000000% different than premeditated assault against a defenseless person that's more than twice your age. Their intent was to maim, not just knock over. They were in full pads and burried their helmets right into his back.

That's not a "stupid ****". That's assault. They ruined their own ****ing lives. Time in jail (there is a major difference between prison and jail) isn't what ruined their lives.

That's like saying "Yeah, he drove drunk, hopped the curb, and hit the man and killed him" but sending him to jail isn't going to bring the dead man back. In jail he'll just learn to be more hardened. Going to jail will ruin his life". Jail isn't what ruins that' **** bags life


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qShQDcxYyyQ/Tixcs6CoI1I/AAAAAAAAAGc/_9MIeNlWO-k/s320/20110727.jpg

[JayJ79]

17 yr old and 15 yr old.
not totally familiar with the Texas legal system, but I'd bet they wouldn't even get jail time even if charged.
probably a stint in juvie if anything.

[bonarae]

http://espn.go.com/moresports/story/_/id/13682526/texas-hs-players-say-coach-told-hit-referee

[JayJ79]

tough to know who to believe

[citdog]

tough to know who to believe

Not for anyone with more than a couple brain cells firing. The "he used racial slurs so I escalated to violence" excuse is played out. Even if he did one doesn't do what those idiots did.

[clenz]

Not for anyone with more than a couple brain cells firing. The "he used racial slurs so I escalated to violence" excuse is played out. Even if he did one doesn't do what those idiots did.
Correct

[JayJ79]

Not for anyone with more than a couple brain cells firing. The "he used racial slurs so I escalated to violence" excuse is played out. Even if he did one doesn't do what those idiots did.

true. but if the implications against the official is true, he should face repercussions as well.
some folks are extremely racist, and it wouldn't be the first time for an official. or it could be something the kids/coach are making up or exagerating to try to generate sympathy.

my comment was also in regards to the claims that their coach told them to do it.
I'd find it quite hard to believe that a normal adult would ever suggest such a thing to a young man, but some football coaches are bat**** crazy, especially in Texas.

even if the coach was involved, that doesn't excuse the actions of the kids, but if true, the coach should face even harsher penalties. But again, that could just be the kids (or their lawyers) making up/exagerating a story.

[citdog]

You find it hard to believe about the coach ordering it and I find it hard to believe a ref would use such language to a kid.
If he was willing to hurl epithets then chances are he had done it before. This has been out long enough that if that was the case those people would have come forward.

[clenz]

You find it hard to believe about the coach ordering it and I find it hard to believe a ref would use such language to a kid.
If he was willing to hurl epithets then chances are he had done it before. This has been out long enough that if that was the case those people would have come forward.
He's also been an official for 14 years. One doesn't last for 14 years using that kind of language towards players.

Having been an official myself (football and baseball), and my mother-in-law being an athletic director for 30 years in the state of Iowa, I can 100% attest to that.

Officials using that kind of language doesn't stay secret for long. That gets out to high schools and coaches (even if not to the parents). Those officials are never hired. They get blackballed out of officiating because they can't get jobs/their local association won't assign them anymore games.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This story might give you pause before you ruin their life by throwing them in jail.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/2015/09/18/former-trinity-star-who-hit-ref-says-bad-decision-doesnt-define-him/72376546/

Didn't really give me much pause either. It is good to hear a story of someone that could have taken the bad and made it worse for themselves reflect on themself and become better from a lesson they learned.

Without the scrutiny and repercussions this lesson would have had much less teeth and maybe not gotten to the core of dude. Letting people actually dwell at the bottom a little bit is probably good for them as opposed to worry too much about "what if" they take the wrong path for it. Since I highly, highly doubt there would be actual proson time (not counting a short time in a county jail) I think they should face charges, suffer indignities, shame, and the sorts of things men that put themselves in a position like this ought to face.

I hope they too will find the need to redeem themselves. Good people making bad decisions always seem to be the ones that do find redemption worthwhile in the end. The ones that don't were ****s anyway for the most part I'd bet. They are not men of character now, I wish them luck in becoming that though.

[Daytripper]

You find it hard to believe about the coach ordering it and I find it hard to believe a ref would use such language to a kid.
If he was willing to hurl epithets then chances are he had done it before. This has been out long enough that if that was the case those people would have come forward.

I agree with citdog on this. ..... wait? what? lol.

[Cocky]

Sometimes good people get caught up in bad crowds, but it smells like that barrel is full of rotten apples. Between the ejections and that incident a "cooling down period" for everyone involved seems justified.

Have no idea if Texas is open enrollment but if not you dont get to choose your crowd.

[clenz]

I think I posted this earlier in the thread but I'll say it again.

Doing a bit of research, and hearing a poster on CS who had a daughter play against this school, it sounds like this general type of behavior and attitude is pretty common at that school.

The one kid might be an honor roll student, but he's clear proof you can be book smart but have a brain with zero working synaptic connections....and/or wonder about the schools education

[Missingnumber7]

This story might give you pause before you ruin their life by throwing them in jail.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/2015/09/18/former-trinity-star-who-hit-ref-says-bad-decision-doesnt-define-him/72376546/

Two completely different incidents. Within days of the event the player wrote a letter of apology to the official. He didn't run around trying to tarnish the official as well as say that a coach did it.

My question is how long does it take to make a decision in Texas? Why is this assistant still on paid leave? Would justice have been quicker had this official laid injured on the field and had to be carted off the field? Why are they getting media time all over, all the while it is becoming increasingly more difficult to recruit new officials because of incidents like this.


Because with my back issues it would've been me on the field in pain and I wouldn't have been getting up any time soon. I got caught in the wash on a play and had my feet taken out from underneath me and it took almost 5 minutes to even get to the point where I could stand up and move around because I wasn't expecting to get hit.

[Missingnumber7]

I think I posted this earlier in the thread but I'll say it again.

Doing a bit of research, and hearing a poster on CS who had a daughter play against this school, it sounds like this general type of behavior and attitude is pretty common at that school.

The one kid might be an honor roll student, but he's clear proof you can be book smart but have a brain with zero working synaptic connections....and/or wonder about the schools education
Also remember the player that made the second hit was not ejected because they ejected the wrong player. We was ejected at the end of the game for a late hit on the QB who was taking a knee.

[Cocky]

On the racism, was one team all white, black or Hispanic and the other not? For the ref to be against one team wouldnt the other have to be completely without the race upon racism was committed? If not why would he choose one team over the other?

[BisonBacker]

I agree with you to an extent. But a criminal record can limit a person's ability to have any future at all. And anybody who has been in prison will tell you that they learned more about being a criminal and became much more hardened in the joint. I'm not saying they should get off scott free, but they are kids. If I had gotten caught doing some of the stupid ***** I did as a teenager, I wouldn't be where I am. I was young and stupid and made bad decisions. Luckily I didn't get caught. As for the guy in the story, if he had been charged and convicted he very likely never becomes a police officer and possible becomes a career criminal.

I can't say for the state of Texas but in Minnesota juveniles criminal records are sealed when they turn 18 unless the juvenile is charged as an adult. So any charges they may face as juveniles would not follow them to their adult years. I have no sympathy for these ****tards they deserve time in juvenile hall. If they learn something good or bad there its up to them what they take from it. Going to Juvi isn't like going to super max so lets give that a rest.

[Catatonic]

Two completely different incidents. Within days of the event the player wrote a letter of apology to the official. He didn't run around trying to tarnish the official as well as say that a coach did it.

My question is how long does it take to make a decision in Texas? Why is this assistant still on paid leave? Would justice have been quicker had this official laid injured on the field and had to be carted off the field? Why are they getting media time all over, all the while it is becoming increasingly more difficult to recruit new officials because of incidents like this.


Because with my back issues it would've been me on the field in pain and I wouldn't have been getting up any time soon. I got caught in the wash on a play and had my feet taken out from underneath me and it took almost 5 minutes to even get to the point where I could stand up and move around because I wasn't expecting to get hit.

The district disciplinary hearing is tomorrow. The Texas UIL Executive Board will meet Thursday morning re: the findings of 3 investigations--1. The students who made the hit 2. Whether evidence supports their contention that a coach ordered them to hit the ref, and 3. Whether evidence supports the students contention that the ref was using racial slurs. The first two have been investigated by the local school board. The third is under investigation by the oversight group for Texas athletic officials.

the discipinary hearing is closed to the public and the results are confidential because both students are minors. The UIL meeting is open to the public and was on Periscope the last time they met. I assume their Thursday meeting will be as well.

[dbackjon]

This story might give you pause before you ruin their life by throwing them in jail.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/2015/09/18/former-trinity-star-who-hit-ref-says-bad-decision-doesnt-define-him/72376546/

Thanks for posting that

[eiu1999]

The district disciplinary hearing is tomorrow. The Texas UIL Executive Board will meet Thursday morning re: the findings of 3 investigations--1. The students who made the hit 2. Whether evidence supports their contention that a coach ordered them to hit the ref, and 3. Whether evidence supports the students contention that the ref was using racial slurs. The first two have been investigated by the local school board. The third is under investigation by the oversight group for Texas athletic officials.

the discipinary hearing is closed to the public and the results are confidential because both students are minors. The UIL meeting is open to the public and was on Periscope the last time they met. I assume their Thursday meeting will be as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9KfsRMluUU

Yet they go on tv and give an interview...............

[Catatonic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9KfsRMluUU

Yet they go on tv and give an interview...............

Yup. Contrast what they say in this interview with the comments from the former hs player cited in the article posted by Daytripper, who immediately owned responsibility for making a bad decision. No excuses. No blaming others. I did it. It was wrong. I took my punishment and moved on.

These guys are blaming their coach and their victim. Man up, boys. Own your own decisions and accept the consequences.

[ngineer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9KfsRMluUU

Yet they go on tv and give an interview...............

What idiot lawyer would allow them to do that?

[Missingnumber7]

The district disciplinary hearing is tomorrow. The Texas UIL Executive Board will meet Thursday morning re: the findings of 3 investigations--1. The students who made the hit 2. Whether evidence supports their contention that a coach ordered them to hit the ref, and 3. Whether evidence supports the students contention that the ref was using racial slurs. The first two have been investigated by the local school board. The third is under investigation by the oversight group for Texas athletic officials.

the discipinary hearing is closed to the public and the results are confidential because both students are minors. The UIL meeting is open to the public and was on Periscope the last time they met. I assume their Thursday meeting will be as well.

From my contacts in the officiating world, it sounds as if the official has been cleared of all charges. Not sure why they are still being allowed to run roughshod all over his reputation. Notice that the reporting has shifted 100% from bad calls to racial slurs.

Why do we as a society allow someone to resign instead of firing the said person to allow them to walk into the next school/job and say that they left the previous job to save face? This is a situation where a school should come up and say no we don't accept your resignation, you are terminated from this position for actions detrimental to standards of our institution. This young man is still early in his coaching career, initial reports said he was 24 others have said he is 30.

[eiu1999]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21387&stc=1

[eiu1999]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/15/us-usa-texas-football-idUSKCN0S924B20151015

Head coach got two years probation. Assistant who made the "ref must pay" comment supsended one year and was fired.

Now hopefully criminal charges against the players.........

[Catatonic]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/15/us-usa-texas-football-idUSKCN0S924B20151015

Head coach got two years probation. Assistant who made the "ref must pay" comment supsended one year and was fired.

Now hopefully criminal charges against the players.........

No action against the ref. No evidence he used racial slurs.

[Missingnumber7]

No action against the ref. No evidence he used racial slurs.

Like I said to begin with, you don't officiate for 13 years and have stuff like that all the sudden start slipping out. And if you do stuff like that on the field, you don't last 13 years.

[Catatonic]

Like I said to begin with, you don't officiate for 13 years and have stuff like that all the sudden start slipping out. And if you do stuff like that on the field, you don't last 13 years.

Came out during the hearing that he had refereed over 450 games without a single complaint.

[clenz]

Came out during the hearing that he had refereed over 450 games without a single complaint.
Yup.

Impossible to go that many games and use that kind of language and have it not be known.

[Bisonoline]

Yup.

Impossible to go that many games and use that kind of language and have it not be known.

It was nothing more than deflection to take some of the heat off of themselves. Shows a severe lack of leadership and parenting in their lives.

[Missingnumber7]

Came out during the hearing that he had refereed over 450 games without a single complaint.

I believe that is going to be the case for slander that they are setting up.

[CID1990]

what effing difference does it make what he said?

i dont care if he burned a damn cross on the field. theres channels to go through for that

these kids need to be charged with assault and the coach for contributing to the delinquency of a minor

too many people think an allegation of foul comments is an excuse for acting like buck ass wild animals and an example needs to be made


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[Catatonic]

what effing difference does it make what he said?

i dont care if he burned a damn cross on the field. theres channels to go through for that

these kids need to be charged with assault and the coach for contributing to the delinquency of a minor

too many people think an allegation of foul comments is an excuse for acting like buck ass wild animals and an example needs to be made


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It does not excuse the actions of the players. The UIL investigated their allegations to determine if the ref should be punished for his behavior not to determine the players guilt or innocence.

I suppose if they had found the ref directed racial slurs at the players it could have been viewed as a mitigating circumstance and resulted in a reduction in their sentencing. However, the charges by the players against the ref were baseless so we don't know how his guilt would have factored into their punishment.

[Missingnumber7]

what effing difference does it make what he said?

i dont care if he burned a damn cross on the field. theres channels to go through for that

these kids need to be charged with assault and the coach for contributing to the delinquency of a minor

too many people think an allegation of foul comments is an excuse for acting like buck ass wild animals and an example needs to be made


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UIL and there investigation has nothing to do with the assault portion of it. I am still shocked that the authorities in TX have not come out with any statements yet, or at least anything that has made it out of the immediate area of the incident. Everyone is off the story now that the kids were proven to have lied and that they have been suspended. But this is far from over.

[CID1990]

It does not excuse the actions of the players. The UIL investigated their allegations to determine if the ref should be punished for his behavior not to determine the players guilt or innocence.

I suppose if they had found the ref directed racial slurs at the players it could have been viewed as a mitigating circumstance and resulted in a reduction in their sentencing. However, the charges by the players against the ref were baseless so we don't know how his guilt would have factored into their punishment.

his guilt no matter what it was, should not be mitigating at all and thats my point

there is nothing he could have said that could justify what they did or lessen the punishment


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