Michael Vick - over-rated...???

[ChickenMan]

how would you rate Vick... as an NFL QB?


In my opinion... he's over-rated by many as a QB... no doubt Vick's a great athlete... but he has a long way to go... as a passer... before becoming a great NFL QB.

[blueballs]

I don't know. The sum total of one's contribution to a team goes beyond one area. This is what I know about Vick. He took VT to the NC game in college as QB. As QB of the Falcons in 3 full seasons he has led a formerly moribund franchise to the wild card and the first ever win by a road team in a playoff game in Lambeau Field, then to and division title and the conference title game. The year when he was sidelined with injury the team tanked. Sounds like the guy is a winner to me, which is the ultimate goal in any sport.

[ccujacket]

Hard to discuss him as a passer when his go to guy, Peerless Price, couldn't get an inch of seperation to save his life. There's only so much you can do when your only viable passing options are a Tight End (Crumpler) and a Tailback (Dunn). If Peerless Price and Dez White are your 1-2 recievers, things aren't looking good for the passing game.

All you have to do is look at the Falcons' win/loss record with him starting versus without.

[Killtoppers90]

If you mean QB as LEADER and HEART of the team - then Yes Vick is a QB. He is starting the 2nd season of a new (very difficult) offensive scheme. He lead the Falcons to the NFC Title game with a crappy O-Line and pitiful receivers. So I cannot knock him for his lack of passing numbers due to his NEED (last season) to make things happen with his legs. And he IS winning.

[eaglefan452]

As a player, he is great, as a quarterback, he still has a long way to go. Time will tell whether or not he will do well in the west coast, it usually takes quarterbacks a few years to get totally accustomed to the system.

As far as Atlanta being a "moribund" franchise, didn't they go to the Super Bowl two years before Vick was drafted? They also made a few playoff appearances in the mid-90's as I remember as well.

The problem with Price is that he has never been seen as a number 1 go to guy. In Buffalo, he had a great season as the number 2 or number 1a to Eric Moulds.

The I think with Vick the problem will ultimately come down to his passing. Defenses aren't getting any slower and before long they will be able to contain his running and he will have to beat them with his arm, something I don't think he can do right now.

[Marcus Garvey]

Why's everybody dissin' my boy Ron Mexico?

[ccujacket]

As far as Atlanta being a "moribund" franchise, didn't they go to the Super Bowl two years before Vick was drafted? They also made a few playoff appearances in the mid-90's as I remember as well.

Seriously, that was the biggest fluke, ever. You do know that the Falcons have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons?

Hopefully Roddy White will be a player at WR and Michael Jenkins will step up this year as well. Price got no seperation last year and Dez White has bricks for hands.

[AgentOrange]

I'm just sad that I can't get my Ron Mexico jersey from the NFL Shop. Looks like I'll have to go underground to find one.

[rosy410]

Last year he was also in a new offense. I think you have to give him time to learn that before you can knock him as a QB. I think this year he'll stay in the pocket more. His line should be better also. It's pretty tough to pass block for someone when they bolt out and scrammble to both sides of the field. There aren't many players out there that can make people miss like Vick.

[eagleskins]

The most overrated player in the game. He has the lowest completion percentage among active qb's.

[eaglefan452]

I wouldn't say that Vick is the most overrated player in the NFL, that honor has to go to Keyshawn Johnson.

[Marcus Garvey]

The most overrated player in the game. He has the lowest completion percentage among active qb's.

He's not "overrated." He does change the way a defense has to play. How many players can do that for their offense? That's why Atlanta wins more often than not when he's playing. However, they have trouble beating very good teams, as the Eagles showed us in the NFC Championship.

He reminds me a lot of Randall Cuningham. However, Randall was still a better "QB" than Vick, but Vick is more athletic.

[blackfordpu]

It does not matter if you think he is a good QB or not, he plays the QB position and leads his teams to victories. To me, this makes him a QB to be reckoned with. He can throw and run, isnt that what teams dream of when finding a QB? An arm but legs to run if no one is open. He is a great athlete and an impressive QB. The Falcons will be in the post season again this season thanks to Vick's contributions.

[eagleskins]

What has shown you he can throw?

[GSUAlumniEagle]

What has shown you he can throw?

Ahem.

This coming from a Georgia Southern fan, a school which hasn't exactly had the reputation of bringing in great arms to the program.

Jayson Foster can't throw that well, but he's gaining a lot of support from GSU fans for the same reason Michael Vick is NOT overrated--game changing athletic ability baby.

And I hate the Falcons. GO JAGS! If we get Ty Law this year, we could do some damage.

[Baldy]

The most overrated player in the game. He has the lowest completion percentage among active qb's.

Yep, because Vick's completion percentage is so low, he's overrated. :lmao:

Tell you what, you can have his completion percentage, I'll take his winning percentage.....one of the best in the league.

:rolleyes:

[ChickenMan]

Michael Vick may win games (regular season)... but he won't win many big ones (playoffs) until he learns to read defenses and starts relying on his arm more then his legs. When you get deep into the playoffs the defenses are too good to allow any QB to beat them running the ball. Anyone remember how Vick did vs the Eagle's 'D' in their big game last year? The current version of Vick... though more talented... reminds me of another athletically gifted QB who never won the big one... Randall Cunningham. I saw every game that Cunningham played for the Eagles and while he won a lot of regular season games... he seldom could produce much in the playoffs. If Vick is to become an elite QB... he has to develope as a passer and reduce his reliance on his athletic ability. If he doesn't do so... age and injury factors will wear him down and Vick will never have the success or the longevity that Falcons fans expecting.

[gsuwinsudont]

Michael Vick may win games (regular season)... but he won't win many big ones (playoffs) until he learns to read defenses and starts relying on his arm more then his legs. When you get deep into the playoffs the defenses are too good to allow any QB to beat them running the ball. Anyone remember how Vick did vs the Eagle's 'D' in their big game last year? The current version of Vick... though more talented... reminds me of another athletically gifted QB who never won the big one... Randall Cunningham. I saw every game that Cunningham played for the Eagles and while he won a lot of regular season games... he seldom could produce much in the playoffs. If Vick is to become an elite QB... he has to develope as a passer and reduce his reliance on his athletic ability. If he doesn't do so... age and injury factors will wear him down and Vick will never have the success or the longevity that Falcons fans expecting.

While i agree with your comments. I'd love to see how that game against the Eagles would have went down in the dome instead of frigid Philly. Vick is a game changer with his legs but by his comments and scouts assesments he is getting more and more comfortable in the system thus resulting in better passes. This will be his 3rd full season at the helm and he's already led his team to one win from the ultimate goal. Give the cat some receivers and a line and if he's still not completing then we can call him overated. Till then cut him some slack.

[blackfordpu]

Some may say he is over rated but there is not one person who know football that would not want him on their team if they had the chance. If you say you wouldnt want him, you are kidding yourself.

[nlwwln]

yep

[blur2005]

Vick wins games. That's what matters to me. Obviously, as a fantasy football nut, I'm not going to draft him. But the only evidence you need to look at is his team's win-loss record with and without him. There's no question he's good enough to have an overwhelming effect on that. He's not a typical QB, and that screws with people. You can claim he's overrated, but you must be looking at his stat line, not his win-loss record.

[eagleskins]

Some may say he is over rated but there is not one person who know football that would not want him on their team if they had the chance. If you say you wouldnt want him, you are kidding yourself.

The Colts, Patriots, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, Jets, Steelers would want him starting for them? I don't think so.

[Killtoppers90]

I can almost bet that the Packers, Steelers and Jets would LOVE to have vick on their team. If that were the case the Steelers would not have Roethlesberger (sp?) and Vick would have certainly not been hurt last season like Pennington.

Is he like McNabb, Manning or Brady? Not yet, but he will revolutionize the position just like the aforementioned three.

[Marcus Garvey]

I can almost bet that the Packers, Steelers and Jets would LOVE to have vick on their team.

I'm not sure the Steelers would want him. They had a similar type of QB once in Kordell Stewart. That didn't end well. Cowher wouldn't want another QB of Stewarts style, even if he's clearly more athletically gifted.

[eaglefan452]

If Vick played for the Steelers, I bet they wouldn't even have him play qb. They seem to have a knack for putting players who played qb in college and have them line up at other positions.

[TheValleyRaider]

He's got great speed, a cannon for an arm, and the ability (shown at VT) to carry a team on his back. There aren't too many other players out there who I'd rather have with the ball in their hands on every play. He needs a little more help on offense to give him some more space to do his thing. We'll see if the Falcons as an organization hold up, but with Vick, they'll always be dangerous.

[Marcus Garvey]

He's got great speed, a cannon for an arm, and the ability (shown at VT) to carry a team on his back. There aren't too many other players out there who I'd rather have with the ball in their hands on every play. He needs a little more help on offense to give him some more space to do his thing. We'll see if the Falcons as an organization hold up, but with Vick, they'll always be dangerous.

I agree with all except the "cannon for an arm" comment. His throwing ability is average for a QB. Watch him play. When you see those "rockets" that he sometimes throws, he's almost always sprinting forward when he releases. It's kind of deceiving. He doesn't have the throwing strength of Manning or McNabb. Those guys can drop back and throw lasers. However, his mobility makes him the most dangerous QB in the league IMO.

[Baldy]

I agree with all except the "cannon for an arm" comment. His throwing ability is average for a QB. Watch him play.

Payton and McNabb have cannons, no doubt, Vick has a howitzer. I have seen Vick play in person, and neither Manning nor McNabb nor Farve can come close to Vick's arm strength. It's not even close. Vick can flick the ball with his wrist off his back foot 70 yards downfield. Honestly, that's his problem. He hasn't learned how to throw the "touch" pass. He can fling the ball on a frozen rope 60 yards down the field, but he can't drop it just over the outstretched arm of a DB or dump it off between the zones.

[eagleskins]

Payton and McNabb have cannons, no doubt, Vick has a howitzer. I have seen Vick play in person, and neither Manning nor McNabb nor Farve can come close to Vick's arm strength. It's not even close. Vick can flick the ball with his wrist off his back foot 70 yards downfield. Honestly, that's his problem. He hasn't learned how to throw the "touch" pass. He can fling the ball on a frozen rope 60 yards down the field, but he can't drop it just over the outstretched arm of a DB or dump it off between the zones.

Vick's arm is nowhere near a bad Drew Bledsoe. That guy can break a brick wall. Vick is the least accurate passer in the NFL, and I don't think it will change.

[Baldy]

Vick's arm is nowhere near a bad Drew Bledsoe. That guy can break a brick wall. Vick is the least accurate passer in the NFL, and I don't think it will change.

Bledsoe throws like a girl compared to Vick, get real.

[ChickenMan]

NFL '04 QB stats...

Vick is #21...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=rat&league=nfl&season=2&year=2004

[eaglefan452]

I think in his younger days, Favre probably had every bit as strong an arm as Vick does. Hell, it probably still isn't much less than Vick's. Bledsoe on the other hand I think his release was fast as hell, and that made his arm seem stronger. I don't think though that Vick makes Bledsoe's arm look like a girl's.

[eagleskins]

NFL '04 QB stats...

Vick is #21...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=rat&league=nfl&season=2&year=2004


His completion % is 27th.